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03:50.23 | rm_you | Anyone know where I can find oooooooold OZ releases? |
03:50.35 | rm_you | Like... around the era of 3.2? :P |
04:06.15 | rm_you | anyone know if alsa works right on 5500s? :P |
04:19.22 | JustinP | sound should work on all devices |
04:24.41 | rm_you | sound, yes... ALSA, not sure ;P |
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05:46.00 | rm_you | can someone tell me how i'm supposed to start the alsa sound server? |
05:46.25 | rm_you | when i run aserver, it says: aserver aserver.c:1033:(main) you need to specify server name |
05:46.35 | rm_you | what name am i supposed to specify? |
05:49.03 | rm_you | bleargh. |
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09:09.38 | Ecco | Guys, do you know what's the max size of a Z kernel ? (the C-1000) |
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09:51.11 | CoreDump|home | morning |
09:53.25 | CoreDump|home | Ecco: It's e17, not e16. It runs fine but is a little bit slow. Not very PDA friendly currently IMO |
09:53.44 | CoreDump|home | but boy the eyecandy rocks =) |
10:11.49 | rm_you | errr... new to this whole zaurus development bit... I have bitbake and the whole crosscompiling thing set up, and I built a random package or two and they seem to work... but what do I tell bitbake if I just want to download the sources for the 2.4 kernel? :P |
10:12.58 | CoreDump|home | if local.conf is correct, just bitbake virtual/kernel |
10:13.39 | CoreDump|home | or bitbake openzaurus-sa for the collie kernel |
10:13.47 | rm_you | err... k |
10:13.53 | rm_you | won't that build it too? |
10:14.03 | Ecco | CoreDump|home, ahem, the packages I ipkged was named e16.999 |
10:14.09 | Ecco | i that E17 ? |
10:14.45 | rm_you | apparently local.conf ISNT correct then, cause it isnt finding either of those :( |
10:14.52 | CoreDump|home | Ecco: yep |
10:14.59 | rm_you | it built other stuff fine tho :/ |
10:15.00 | Ecco | ah ? Why is it named e16 then ? :-D |
10:15.11 | Ecco | It's like a beta of e17 ? |
10:15.15 | CoreDump|home | Ecco: correct |
10:15.18 | CoreDump|home | not yet finished |
10:15.22 | Ecco | oh, ok |
10:15.23 | Ecco | great |
10:15.35 | Ecco | Yet it wouldn't work on my C1000 indeed |
10:15.47 | rm_you | what should DISTRO= be? |
10:15.49 | Ecco | There are several things that bug me out in the current state of OZ |
10:15.55 | Ecco | So I'm trying to roll my own |
10:15.57 | CoreDump|home | Ecco: It may be that the release image is broken |
10:16.02 | Ecco | Hmm, ok |
10:16.21 | CoreDump|home | rm_you: depends, do you use .dev or .oz354x branch? |
10:16.28 | Ecco | What would you think about compiling the real Xorg server on the C-1000 ? |
10:16.31 | rm_you | .dev |
10:16.34 | Ecco | Is it reasonable or stupid ? |
10:16.39 | rm_you | should i be using oz354? |
10:16.46 | CoreDump|home | rm_you: openzaurus-unstable it is then |
10:16.52 | CoreDump|home | rm_you: yes, as a beginner you should |
10:16.56 | rm_you | ok that's what I have... :/ |
10:17.00 | rm_you | hrm |
10:17.07 | CoreDump|home | for .oz DISTRO=openzaurus-3.5.4.1 |
10:17.24 | rm_you | k well... |
10:17.31 | CoreDump|home | Ecco: Never tried, can't say |
10:18.03 | CoreDump|home | but as space is limited, the real Xorg might be overkill |
10:18.34 | rm_you | --branch=org.openembedded.oz3541? |
10:19.36 | CoreDump|home | no |
10:19.40 | CoreDump|home | --branch=org.openembedded.oz354x |
10:19.44 | rm_you | ah |
10:21.04 | CoreDump|home | rm_you: I hope you have a fast machine =) |
10:21.15 | rm_you | lol |
10:21.25 | rm_you | fairly, but no psyco cause I'm AMD64 :/ |
10:21.56 | CoreDump|home | forget psycho, you don't need it when you compile, only for parsing IIRC |
10:22.02 | rm_you | ah k |
10:22.10 | rm_you | then I should be ok :/ |
10:22.22 | rm_you | too bad I cant use my GPUs to help :P |
10:22.53 | CoreDump|home | bitbake hentges-opie-image hentges-gpe-image hentges-e-image opie-image gpe-images takes a whooping 8hrs on my P4 2.8 |
10:23.13 | rm_you | 2.2 Athlon64 |
10:23.19 | CoreDump|home | Ecco: eww quad-cpu is nice =) |
10:23.29 | Ecco | yah, it's soooo fast |
10:23.40 | Ecco | especially on compiling big stuff, since that parallelize pretty well |
10:23.40 | rm_you | I need to get a dual core.... but instead I could get a c1000... gah... conflicting urges |
10:24.08 | CoreDump|home | rm_you: my buildserver runs headless =) |
10:24.28 | rm_you | Yeah I should make one... ACTUALLY... once I get back home I shall have one! ha! |
10:24.34 | Ecco | mine has a 30" flat pannel attached to it :-D |
10:24.46 | rm_you | Ecco: something about that makes part of me break |
10:24.51 | CoreDump|home | mine doesn't even have a graphics card currently hehe |
10:29.32 | rm_you | guess its time to grab a bite to eat then |
10:33.17 | Ecco | Do you guys know when OZ 3.5.4.1 will be released ? |
10:33.47 | CoreDump|home | hrw|gone: said around mai 1st |
10:33.54 | Ecco | Oh, ok |
10:33.57 | CoreDump|home | may even |
10:34.01 | Ecco | Hmm |
10:34.14 | Ecco | Do you think many issues are going to get solved ? |
10:34.30 | CoreDump|home | actually I do not see any blocking issues right now |
10:34.41 | Ecco | I see severals though |
10:34.53 | Ecco | 1/ there's a severe issue with USB on C-1000 |
10:35.03 | Ecco | 2/ Several packages are buggy |
10:35.05 | CoreDump|home | That is a known kernel thingy =) |
10:35.11 | Ecco | (groff for example) |
10:35.22 | Ecco | Yeah, but still, I mean the problem is really weird |
10:35.25 | CoreDump|home | 2: I hopy hyou have reported the on the bug tracker? |
10:35.29 | Ecco | Sometimes it works, some times no |
10:35.34 | Ecco | Yes I did :-) |
10:35.43 | CoreDump|home | Ecco: I shall play w/ USB today |
10:35.55 | Ecco | CoreDump|home, ah, that's some really good news |
10:36.00 | Ecco | I tried to play with that |
10:36.09 | Ecco | But you know it's my 3rd day with my C-1000 |
10:36.20 | Ecco | So I wanted to see first how powerfull it was and so |
10:36.24 | Ecco | So I gave up quickly |
10:36.43 | Ecco | CoreDump|home, just to let you know |
10:36.45 | Ecco | what happens |
10:36.47 | Ecco | basically |
10:37.11 | Ecco | is that the C-1000 (when in USB device mode (ie gadget)) is not enumerated by the host controller |
10:37.25 | Ecco | and sometimes (like after a reboot or I don't know what in fact) |
10:37.36 | CoreDump|home | I take it the PC sie runs linux as well? |
10:37.40 | Ecco | it is enumerated (i.e. lsusb on the host PC 'sees' it) |
10:37.50 | Ecco | Well, it does not really depends on the host PC |
10:37.56 | Ecco | I tried both Linux PC and Mac on OSX |
10:38.10 | Ecco | It looks like the bug definitely is on the Z side |
10:38.21 | Ecco | (OSX is famous for it's solid USB stack) |
10:38.40 | Ecco | (and Linux ahem well, you know, it's Linux, and on x86 it's rock-solid :-D) |
10:38.47 | CoreDump|home | hehe |
10:38.55 | Ecco | ;-) |
10:39.20 | Ecco | I talked a bit with RP about that |
10:39.33 | Ecco | But he told me he wouldn't know where the problem came from |
10:39.49 | Ecco | In fact it may no be pxa27x_udc related at the end |
10:40.15 | Ecco | Because the way it 'sometimes work' and 'sometimes doesn't' look _totally_ random |
10:40.17 | CoreDump|home | I will see, IIRC net-ver-usb or whatever that was called works allright |
10:40.28 | Ecco | net-ver-usb ? What's that? |
10:40.42 | CoreDump|home | well, network connection using USB |
10:41.04 | Ecco | that's g_ether |
10:41.08 | Ecco | isn't it ? |
10:41.09 | CoreDump|home | then there's USB host mod (for use with USB client hardware like memory sticks etc) |
10:41.17 | CoreDump|home | sounds about right yes |
10:41.26 | Ecco | hmm, yeah, that's ohci |
10:41.33 | CoreDump|home | and USB client mode |
10:41.34 | Ecco | Well |
10:41.44 | Ecco | yeap, USB client is pxa27x_udc |
10:41.47 | Ecco | Well |
10:41.57 | Ecco | I haven't tried USB host yet |
10:42.16 | Ecco | but as long as the USB client device driver was working (i.e. it got enumerated by the host) |
10:42.22 | CoreDump|home | I used an USB BT stick on my Z once. Fun stuff =) |
10:42.25 | Ecco | the g_ether would work without troubles |
10:42.27 | Ecco | :-) |
10:42.42 | Ecco | I need to get my hands on an USB OTG cable |
10:43.26 | CoreDump|home | OTG? |
10:43.54 | Ecco | On-The_go |
10:44.00 | Ecco | On-The-Go, sorry |
10:44.21 | Ecco | That means it acts both as client and host |
10:44.25 | CoreDump|home | ahh |
10:44.47 | CoreDump|home | NOTE: package hentges-gpe-image-oz3.5.4.1-alpha3-gpe2.7: completed |
10:44.52 | CoreDump|home | time to check USB |
10:44.55 | Ecco | great |
10:45.03 | Ecco | CoreDump|home, you're using a C-1000 as well, right ? |
10:45.07 | CoreDump|home | yes |
10:45.16 | Ecco | Great |
10:45.21 | Ecco | let me know how things work |
10:45.26 | CoreDump|home | will do |
10:45.52 | Ecco | thanks :-) |
10:57.57 | Ecco | CoreDump|home : have you ever tried to build a bootstrap image that wouldn't use reduced tools |
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10:58.11 | CoreDump|home | hmm no |
10:58.13 | Ecco | I mean without busybox at all |
10:58.18 | Ecco | I quite don't like busybox |
10:58.25 | CoreDump|home | you'd basically have to write your own task-bootstrap |
10:58.29 | Ecco | I feel like given the power of the C-1000... |
10:58.34 | Ecco | Well, I'm doing it |
10:58.45 | Ecco | but I feel like I'll miss some packages |
10:59.03 | Ecco | because busybox = coreutils + a lot of stupid little things |
10:59.05 | CoreDump|home | keep in mind that 99% of all shell scripts in OZ are only tested w/ busybox... |
10:59.15 | Ecco | Hmm, |
10:59.18 | Ecco | Yeah, that's a point |
10:59.29 | Ecco | In fact I don't really like the way OZ is wired :-D |
10:59.38 | Ecco | Yet it's really handful to be built |
10:59.43 | CoreDump|home | altboot broke horribly when someone installed bash, and manually pointed /bin/sh to it... |
10:59.51 | Ecco | Hmm, weird |
11:00.01 | Ecco | Isn't there any other distro that aims ARM ? |
11:00.13 | CoreDump|home | debian arm maybe... |
11:00.46 | Ecco | yeah, is there any other ? |
11:02.30 | CoreDump|home | no idea, really |
11:02.45 | CoreDump|home | you could always build your own distro from scratch w/ OE |
11:02.58 | CoreDump|home | like I do =) |
11:03.00 | Ecco | Really ? |
11:03.09 | Ecco | How do you do that ? |
11:03.11 | CoreDump|home | sure |
11:03.16 | CoreDump|home | OE is built for that |
11:04.03 | CoreDump|home | It's gonna be a lot of work, yes. But it's quite doable |
11:05.04 | Ecco | Hmm |
11:05.08 | Ecco | How do you do that ? |
11:05.30 | Ecco | I've been tempted to go with LFS |
11:05.35 | Ecco | but that's way too much work |
11:06.05 | CoreDump|home | first thing would be to create your own conf/distro/$YOURDISTRO.conf |
11:06.28 | Ecco | yeah |
11:06.32 | CoreDump|home | create a task-bootstrap including the stuff you want etc |
11:06.37 | Ecco | hmm |
11:07.36 | Ecco | That looks great : http://pocketworkstation.org/ |
11:09.10 | Ecco | Hmm |
11:09.21 | Ecco | Well, indeed it's true that stability is probably the most important thing |
11:09.59 | CoreDump|home | hentges has its very own bootstrap and image.bb files |
11:10.18 | CoreDump|home | I try to keep close to OZ tho, so I can use the OZ feeds =) |
11:11.20 | Ecco | :-D |
11:12.23 | rm_you | So wait... how different IS hentges? |
11:13.10 | rm_you | Did you modify from OZ or build from scratch from OE? |
11:13.24 | CoreDump|home | different package selections, different default configurations for GPE / Opie, some little helpers to do stuff at boot-time etc |
11:13.34 | CoreDump|home | I build from scratch |
11:14.00 | rm_you | :) |
11:14.19 | CoreDump|home | many of the little fixes for annyoing problems were in hentges before they went into OZ =) |
11:14.38 | rm_you | Yeah, i know :P that's why I started using it, at least |
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11:15.22 | CoreDump|home | as OZ evolves (and becomes more mature) the difference shrinks back to different GUI defaults and a different package selection |
11:15.52 | rm_you | yeah... right now, I mainly appreciate the cardfs :P |
11:16.24 | rm_you | I mean... it's basically like it comes pre-installed with all the random shit i was going to have to install anyway :P |
11:16.30 | CoreDump|home | rm_you: cardfs is old stuff. The future for 16Mb flash devices is in root-on-SD or root-on-CF |
11:16.51 | rm_you | well, I appreciate the cardfs you build :P it saves me a lot of time |
11:17.10 | CoreDump|home | root-on-* will ship with the smame amount of apps |
11:17.19 | rm_you | root-on-SD is prolly what I need to do (you mentioned as much yesterday) but I still havent looked into it much |
11:17.26 | CoreDump|home | but you'll boot of SD or CF, not flash |
11:17.40 | rm_you | ... flash is faster, isnt it? |
11:17.46 | CoreDump|home | rm_you: play with it, you don't need to reflash for trying it |
11:17.59 | rm_you | yeah well my 1gig SD is at 98% |
11:17.59 | CoreDump|home | rm_you: you wont notice a difference |
11:18.50 | rm_you | i need to hurry up and buy this 1g micro-sd card for my cell phone so I can use it in my zaurus for testing stuff :P |
11:19.01 | rm_you | since my phone came with a micro-sd to sd adapter |
11:19.07 | CoreDump|home | or use a CF for testing |
11:19.20 | rm_you | my CF is 16mb :/ enough for flashing and thats about it |
11:19.31 | rm_you | I pretty much reserve my CF slot full time to wifi |
11:19.43 | CoreDump|home | fair enough |
11:20.53 | rm_you | so... is a lot of the time you spend working on this spent sitting around waiting on bitbake? :P cause I don't want to be distracting you so much if you need to be working on stuff, lol |
11:21.44 | CoreDump|home | rm_you: I usually build images from scratch over night or while at work |
11:22.01 | rm_you | in other words, you should be working on stuff right now? :P |
11:22.04 | CoreDump|home | only "from scratch" takes ages |
11:22.11 | CoreDump|home | I am =) |
11:22.14 | rm_you | lol sure |
11:22.32 | rm_you | got the smp brain module installed? ^_^ |
11:22.34 | CoreDump|home | fixed 2 more typos in hentges heh |
11:22.37 | CoreDump|home | sure |
11:22.40 | rm_you | lol... typos |
11:23.07 | CoreDump|home | Ecco: which modules do I need to modprobe for the ethernet usb thingy? |
11:30.44 | rm_you | CoreDump|home: transfer from SD should theoretically be fast enough that I shouldnt have to buffer audio too much, right? |
11:30.56 | CoreDump|home | yes |
11:31.31 | polyonymous | CoreDump|home, g-ether? |
11:36.21 | polyonymous | I don't really understand when my time does and when it doesn't survive reboot/reset... |
11:40.22 | CoreDump|home | Ecco: g_ether works fine here... |
11:44.17 | rm_you | CoreDump|home: so what would be causing audio to skip when I play it from SD? it seems to transfer at a nice rate, but then it stalls very briefly every now and then (about 6-10 seconds i think) |
11:44.57 | CoreDump|home | rm_you: flash a kernel with ramdisk and try from there? Dunno, really. Never used sound on Collie |
11:44.59 | rm_you | The only way I can keep it from skipping is by fully caching the file... like, cat $file > /dev/null && madplay $file |
11:46.14 | Pend-Gone | since you probably know rm_you ... I just bought a motorola e815 cellphone |
11:46.30 | Pend-Gone | the manual says it takes transflash memory |
11:46.35 | rm_you | yeah |
11:46.47 | rm_you | I have a motorola v360 |
11:46.49 | Pend-Gone | is that micro SD.. or a certain micro SD deriv |
11:46.58 | Pend-Gone | I mean does a standard micro SD work |
11:47.00 | rm_you | transflash includes a couple cards |
11:47.14 | rm_you | it's prolly micro sd |
11:47.23 | Pend-Gone | I didn't find out as much as I needed to and need to order a card |
11:47.31 | rm_you | lemmie look |
11:48.00 | Pend-Gone | I thought micro sd would be a bigger group of which transflash was a child.. from what you said I take it transflash is the group and micro SD is a type of transflash? |
11:48.09 | Pend-Gone | I knew about mini SD's =-s |
11:48.27 | rm_you | yes |
11:48.55 | rm_you | There are a couple cards (mini sd and micro sd that I know of) that are considered "transflash"... for some reason. I'm not exactly clear myself |
11:49.03 | rm_you | I'm looking up the specs for your phone |
11:49.53 | rm_you | I'm thinking micro |
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11:52.49 | Pend-Gone | if it's a standard micro SD then I should be able to find a lexar or otherwise cheap one at ... buy..com maybe |
11:52.56 | Pend-Gone | since they have decent rebates often |
11:56.51 | rm_you | errr |
11:57.28 | rm_you | http://www.compuplus.com/i-SanDisk-1GB-1024MB-Micro-SD-TransFlash-Card-SDSDQ-1024-A10M-SDSDQ1024A10M-1006586~refer-froogle.html |
11:57.34 | rm_you | I was considering that one |
11:57.45 | rm_you | not sure about the company tho, so |
11:58.25 | Pend-Gone | that was what was getting me |
11:58.44 | Pend-Gone | on most products I found online it said transflash... or micro sd.. but not both (at stores) |
11:59.06 | Pend-Gone | but on general searches it implied it was the same technology to some extent |
11:59.19 | rm_you | lol |
11:59.23 | rm_you | yeah |
11:59.28 | rm_you | look in your phone tho |
11:59.29 | rm_you | find the slot |
11:59.41 | rm_you | see how big it is, that should tell you what'll fit |
11:59.54 | rm_you | my guess would be that they used the same technology |
12:02.20 | Pend-Gone | being that no local stores have them, I would have to buy both to find out by trial and error and send back one |
12:02.37 | Pend-Gone | =-) but I think I'll just buy a micro sd and see how it goes |
12:02.38 | rm_you | micro sd |
12:02.42 | rm_you | :P |
12:02.52 | Pend-Gone | worst case if it comes with a SD convert, it's not wasted money |
12:03.13 | rm_you | i doubt it will, but my phone came with one |
12:05.14 | Pend-Gone | thanks for the info |
12:05.35 | rm_you | yep :P np |
12:07.35 | CoreDump|home | Ecco: http://hentges.net/tmp/screenshots/Zaurus/Akita/Misc/gether.jpg |
12:16.55 | CoreDump|home | thanks to NAT, even internet access works =) |
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13:22.10 | Ecco | CoreDump|home, hey |
13:22.15 | Ecco | I had it working on mine as well |
13:22.25 | Ecco | but it is weird, sometimes it works, sometimes it does not |
13:23.05 | polyonymous | strange. it works for me quite consistently. |
13:23.20 | polyonymous | as in each and every time so far... |
13:26.23 | Ecco | ... |
13:26.29 | Ecco | really weird |
13:27.59 | polyonymous | it is... what's your dog again? |
13:29.31 | Ecco | akita |
13:31.22 | polyonymous | About the same as borzoi... Have you tried to connect it to any other usb host? Physically different that is? |
13:32.03 | Ecco | Yes, sure |
13:32.08 | Ecco | I tried a MacOS X host |
13:32.13 | Ecco | and a Linux 2.6 x86 host |
13:32.18 | CoreDump|home | Ecco: really, no problems here what so ever |
13:32.20 | Ecco | in both cases the problem was the same |
13:32.26 | Ecco | CoreDump|home, that's really weird |
13:32.30 | polyonymous | I see. Previously you referred to macos and linux, so I wasn't sure if it's different hardware. |
13:32.33 | Ecco | did you try rebooting your machine for example |
13:32.44 | CoreDump|home | I am implementing USB Network support for altboot NFS currently |
13:32.50 | Ecco | Ah, ok |
13:32.54 | CoreDump|home | Ecco: yep to make sure |
13:32.59 | Ecco | gee |
13:33.01 | Ecco | really weird |
13:33.10 | Ecco | what kernel/image are you using ? |
13:33.17 | Ecco | I'm using 3.5.4.1a2 |
13:33.20 | CoreDump|home | 2.6.16 from .oz354x |
13:33.24 | polyonymous | it is.. I used usb network quite a lot when working on my BT card and had no problems... |
13:33.26 | Ecco | Ahem |
13:33.38 | Ecco | Well, I brew up my own kernel from OE's sources |
13:33.42 | Ecco | and it just worked well |
13:33.49 | polyonymous | on all, I believe 2.6.15 and 2.6.16 flavours we've had. |
13:33.52 | CoreDump|home | go try the dafault kernel... |
13:33.58 | Ecco | me ? |
13:34.03 | Ecco | I did |
13:34.04 | CoreDump|home | yep, who knows |
13:34.07 | Ecco | This one didn't work |
13:34.17 | Ecco | The one I did worked just great |
13:34.20 | CoreDump|home | well whats your error exactly? |
13:34.20 | polyonymous | Ecco, Well, I have to admit ALL these kernels were from local build, no stock downloads. |
13:34.27 | Ecco | hmm |
13:34.39 | Ecco | in fact from the Zaurus point of view there is nearly no error |
13:34.43 | polyonymous | Could it be that there was a problem in a single zImage intance we've had on download? |
13:34.56 | Ecco | It could be polyonymous |
13:34.58 | CoreDump|home | could be... |
13:35.10 | Ecco | Yet I md5'd it so my download isn't questionnable |
13:35.14 | Ecco | but the big deal is that the host doesn't even see the Zaurus |
13:35.19 | polyonymous | It does look like it... Strange no one but Ecco complained yet. |
13:35.22 | Ecco | I mean if I 'lsusb' on Linux... sees nothing |
13:35.23 | CoreDump|home | http://hentges.net/tmp/do_not_use/Akita/ |
13:35.38 | CoreDump|home | the url has normal GPE and opie images as loop-files and tarballs as well |
13:36.01 | Ecco | Ok, I'm going to give that a try |
13:36.04 | CoreDump|home | Bus 001 Device 010: ID 0525:a4a2 Netchip Technology, Inc. Linux-USB Ethernet/RNDIS Gadge |
13:36.05 | polyonymous | I think Ecco only cares about zImage and modules, not images... |
13:36.10 | Ecco | Just being curious here, but what'shenteges ? |
13:36.20 | polyonymous | that's him :) |
13:36.21 | Ecco | CoreDump|home, yeah, that what it gives when it works |
13:36.26 | CoreDump|home | a distro based on OZ |
13:36.29 | Ecco | Oh, ok |
13:36.35 | Ecco | A 'fork' off OZ ? |
13:36.43 | CoreDump|home | not a fork no |
13:36.43 | Ecco | What are the main differences w/ OZ ? |
13:36.56 | Ecco | (please, tell me you didn't use busybox and I'll love it :-D) |
13:37.05 | CoreDump|home | different GUI defaults, a little helper script here and there |
13:37.13 | CoreDump|home | and it used busybox =) |
13:37.15 | Ecco | hmm, ok |
13:37.17 | Ecco | well |
13:37.21 | Ecco | no problem :-) |
13:37.59 | Ecco | Is the kernel on henteges a one you built on your own ? |
13:38.12 | Ecco | hentges, sorry |
13:38.14 | CoreDump|home | correct |
13:38.18 | Ecco | ok, great |
13:38.23 | Ecco | Lemme try thisone |
13:38.41 | Ecco | wow, your connection is... kinda slow :-D |
13:38.52 | CoreDump|home | actually it is very fast |
13:39.05 | Ecco | It says "11hrs" to download 1.2Mb :-D |
13:39.08 | CoreDump|home | peaks at 2Mb / sec from server to server |
13:39.14 | Ecco | Hmm |
13:39.30 | Ecco | I've a 20Mbit download bandwidth |
13:39.33 | Ecco | :-D |
13:39.35 | CoreDump|home | that MegaBytes, not MegaBits ;) |
13:39.55 | Ecco | oh, ok, great :-D |
13:40.12 | Ecco | Where the hell did you get such a quick connection ? |
13:40.16 | CoreDump|home | b_52CEntos: ouch |
13:40.23 | Ecco | Doh |
13:40.25 | CoreDump|home | it's a root server |
13:40.29 | Ecco | ok, using wget it went really fast |
13:40.31 | CoreDump|home | ie: rented |
13:40.31 | Ecco | that is to say ? |
13:40.33 | Ecco | ha, ok |
13:40.39 | Ecco | It's not right near you |
13:40.42 | Ecco | allright |
13:40.46 | CoreDump|home | nowhere near me =) |
13:41.04 | Ecco | okay :-) |
13:41.37 | Ecco | I used to have GigaBit ethernet in my room, but we weren't allowed to host any server, so it was kinda useless :-D |
13:41.37 | CoreDump|home | pings of sat connection suck bad, or so I heard |
13:41.51 | Ecco | CoreDump|home, yeah, they ought to |
13:42.08 | b_52CEntos | there is no other to make my proper ISP ..... |
13:42.10 | Ecco | satellites are somewhere 30 000 Km over our heads |
13:42.20 | Ecco | so that means at least 60000 km |
13:42.27 | b_52CEntos | not so far ... :) |
13:42.33 | Ecco | which means ... at least 0.2 sec |
13:42.41 | Ecco | so the best ping you may ever have is 200 msec |
13:42.49 | b_52CEntos | 0.2s it quite ok |
13:42.54 | Ecco | not terrible, but acceptable |
13:43.01 | Ecco | plus you can have really good bandwidth |
13:43.06 | Ecco | but forget gaming and VoIP |
13:43.10 | CoreDump|home | if you are not a games, it's ok |
13:43.17 | Ecco | well, VoIP can still be OK |
13:43.22 | b_52CEntos | but do you know what the autorithy that sell bandwich to world's ISP ? |
13:43.23 | Ecco | depends on where the signal lands |
13:43.35 | Ecco | b_52CEntos, you should just forget about that |
13:43.46 | Ecco | Unless you're a university or a big corporation |
13:43.55 | Ecco | you just won't be able to afford that |
13:44.01 | CoreDump|home | or are just filthy richt =) |
13:44.05 | Ecco | yeah :-D |
13:44.07 | CoreDump|home | ritch |
13:44.13 | b_52CEntos | unfortunatly it's not the case :) |
13:44.16 | Ecco | rich, actually |
13:44.19 | CoreDump|home | right |
13:44.20 | Ecco | :p |
13:45.10 | Ecco | :-D |
13:45.36 | Ecco | CoreDump|home, I guess I have to rename hentges-opie-image to initrd.bin and zImage-akita to just zImage.bin , right ? |
13:45.43 | polyonymous | What do you need su31 and a copter for if you have an ISP?? |
13:45.59 | Ecco | :-D |
13:46.04 | Ecco | Hey, flying's just soo cool :-) |
13:46.06 | CoreDump|home | *-image* is a tar.gz |
13:46.11 | Ecco | ah |
13:46.12 | Ecco | ok |
13:46.24 | b_52CEntos | polyonymous, people when they get rich buy ferrari ; boat ....... ; ME i want to buy a sukhoi :) |
13:46.32 | Ecco | What am I supposed to do with it to flash it into my Zaurus ? |
13:46.46 | CoreDump|home | extract? |
13:46.51 | Ecco | and ? |
13:46.52 | polyonymous | b_52CEntos, Weirdos. Be I rich or poor I prefer not to move my ass if I don't absolutely have to. |
13:46.53 | Ecco | what does it give ? |
13:46.57 | CoreDump|home | err |
13:47.01 | CoreDump|home | initrd.bin |
13:47.08 | Ecco | oh, ok, thanks :-) |
13:47.22 | CoreDump|home | polyonymous: so damn true =D |
13:47.57 | polyonymous | CoreDump|home, The question why do we need personal MOBILE tool is still open, though :) Probably, because we aren't rich enough. |
13:48.00 | b_52CEntos | polyonymous, weirdos = ? i didn't get the sense ? |
13:48.10 | polyonymous | b_52CEntos, Strange people the are. |
13:48.29 | Ecco | weirdos = "mec chelou" |
13:48.34 | Ecco | (just translating) |
13:48.35 | polyonymous | I used to learn french back in school, but forgot everything :( |
13:48.49 | Ecco | Dah, french's a bit useless international-wise |
13:48.55 | b_52CEntos | polyonymous, ok :) |
13:48.57 | Ecco | yet it's a beautiful language |
13:49.03 | polyonymous | Ecco, most of the beautiful things are useless. |
13:49.09 | b_52CEntos | beautifull language ..... :( |
13:49.24 | polyonymous | What's the use of Claude Monet painting if there's no hole on the wall to hide it with? |
13:49.40 | Ecco | b_52CEntos, where do you come from ? .ma is a TLD I've never heard of... Madagascar maybe ? |
13:49.44 | Ecco | Oh, no Marroco !! |
13:49.45 | polyonymous | marocco? |
13:49.48 | Ecco | Yeah :-) |
13:49.50 | b_52CEntos | Ecco, morocco |
13:49.55 | b_52CEntos | yeap |
13:50.02 | Ecco | I was there a few month ago... Very beautiful contry |
13:50.07 | Ecco | country |
13:50.30 | polyonymous | I don't know much about Morocco, but back when I was a kid we've had the 'morocco' sticker on bananas and oranges. I had no clue it's a country :) |
13:50.31 | b_52CEntos | yeap |
13:50.42 | Ecco | polyonymous : LOL |
13:50.47 | Ecco | Really beautiful, indeed |
13:50.48 | polyonymous | It was like over 20 years ago, though. |
13:50.53 | b_52CEntos | pleemans, :) |
13:51.09 | Ecco | at the north west of Africa |
13:51.14 | Ecco | under spain |
13:51.28 | polyonymous | Ecco, well, I don now way more about Morocco now. |
13:51.34 | polyonymous | After all it's been over 20 years ;-) |
13:52.50 | Ecco | http://www.parcsdelagdal.com/images/immobilier-marrakech.jpg |
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13:53.33 | Ecco | http://www.phototheque.net/Phototheques/Maroc/11-Tourisme-maroc.JPG |
13:53.36 | Ecco | Really beautiful |
13:53.41 | Ecco | plus the weather's sooo warm :-D |
13:53.45 | polyonymous | "Marrakech" sounds like a curse :) |
13:53.48 | Ecco | :-D |
13:53.50 | Ecco | Lol |
13:53.58 | Ecco | Marrakech... kazam ! |
13:54.02 | polyonymous | :)) |
13:54.07 | rm_you|zaurus | CoreDump, you here still? |
13:54.21 | CoreDump|home | yes |
13:54.23 | polyonymous | Yes, the second picture is fun to look at in reality. |
13:54.23 | Ecco | meaow |
13:54.44 | rm_you|zaurus | just noticed, snes9x doesnt actually appear to be in any feeds for this rom? |
13:55.05 | CoreDump|home | it should be in, yes |
13:55.17 | rm_you|zaurus | your opiesh wrapper just kind of exits since it doesnt have anything to run :P |
13:55.47 | rm_you|zaurus | is it supposed to be installed? |
13:55.54 | CoreDump|home | opie-sh? yes |
13:56.03 | Ecco | CoreDump|home, hey, I like your distro :-) |
13:56.04 | rm_you|zaurus | i mean snes |
13:56.11 | CoreDump|home | Ecco: thanks =) |
13:56.15 | Ecco | I like to see a little penguin plus all the boot messages |
13:56.18 | Ecco | starts great :-) |
13:56.22 | CoreDump|home | rm_you|zaurus: that, too yes |
13:56.42 | Ecco | argh |
13:56.49 | Ecco | sh*t, it didn't flash my kernelin fact |
13:56.54 | Ecco | :-D |
13:56.56 | CoreDump|home | was about to say lol |
13:57.01 | rm_you|zaurus | opie-sh-snes is installed alright, but snes9x itself is not and it doesnt exist in aby feed |
13:57.11 | rm_you|zaurus | s/aby/any/ |
13:57.26 | rm_you|zaurus | lol nice bot |
13:58.35 | rm_you|zaurus | estingay |
13:59.05 | Ecco | Does any of you know what's the maximum size for a kernel that can be put on a C1000 ? |
14:00.17 | rm_you|zaurus | s/\(.*\)\(.\)ay/\2\1/ |
14:00.25 | rm_you|zaurus | darn |
14:00.29 | rm_you|zaurus | lol |
14:00.49 | rm_you|zaurus | that took a long time to type on the zaurus keyboard too |
14:01.24 | rm_you|zaurus | err |
14:01.30 | rm_you|zaurus | estingtay |
14:01.33 | rm_you|zaurus | s/\(.*\)\(.\)ay/\2\1/ |
14:02.03 | rm_you|zaurus | your bot needs to do complete sed :P |
14:02.40 | polyonymous | does he use a busybox version? |
14:06.35 | rm_you|zaurus | CoreDump: so what i was getting at was, are you aware that snes9x isnt working in your latest rom? :P |
14:06.42 | Ecco | CoreDump|home, you distro looks great |
14:07.09 | Ecco | Didn't test USB yet though |
14:07.14 | CoreDump|home | rm_you|zaurus: i wasnt and will investigate later |
14:07.22 | CoreDump|home | Ecco: thanks! |
14:07.25 | Ecco | ;-) |
14:08.11 | Ecco | aouch |
14:08.20 | rm_you|zaurus | kk. fyi snes9x package seems to have vanished from the feeds as of the new OZ |
14:08.21 | Ecco | launching xterm logged me outta GPE :-/ |
14:08.44 | CoreDump|home | on firstboot yes |
14:09.01 | Ecco | ? |
14:09.07 | Ecco | That's normal ? |
14:09.08 | Ecco | Oh, ok |
14:09.14 | CoreDump|home | only happens one time yes |
14:09.15 | Ecco | The fix is to reboot ? |
14:09.19 | Ecco | Oh, ok |
14:09.24 | CoreDump|home | no log in again |
14:09.25 | Ecco | Just being curious, but why ? |
14:09.27 | Ecco | ok |
14:09.33 | CoreDump|home | dunno heh |
14:09.51 | Ecco | Wow, Firefox |
14:09.53 | Ecco | that rules ! |
14:10.10 | CoreDump|home | but its so damn large.... |
14:10.17 | Ecco | and damn slow :-D |
14:10.28 | Ecco | aIt already is on my main PC so... :-D |
14:11.17 | rm_you|zaurus | opera is better, and i take consolation in the fact that it actually works on the 5500 :) |
14:11.35 | Ecco | :-) |
14:11.49 | Ecco | Yah |
14:12.00 | Ecco | Sounds like USB over ethernet works ! |
14:12.11 | rm_you|zaurus | even goes into hentges with minimal effort |
14:12.28 | rm_you|zaurus | usb eth works on 5500 too :) |
14:12.41 | rm_you|zaurus | just tested it |
14:12.51 | CoreDump|home | neat |
14:13.02 | rm_you|zaurus | prolly diff than what you,re talking about tho? |
14:13.02 | polyonymous | I made opera work on my last OZ image, but can't make it work on .dev image yet... |
14:13.05 | Ecco | Yeah, taht's cool |
14:13.13 | Ecco | So long guys, I'm going out |
14:13.14 | Ecco | cya :-) |
14:13.18 | CoreDump|home | cya |
14:13.49 | rm_you|zaurus | poly: theres a thread on oesf that has an updated ipkg |
14:14.03 | rm_you|zaurus | i might could find it... |
14:14.15 | polyonymous | rm_you, I'll take a look... I didn't use any .ipk when I made it work, though... |
14:14.16 | rm_you|zaurus | cya ecco |
14:14.21 | rm_you|zaurus | ah |
14:14.36 | polyonymous | just was ripping parts out of cacko image |
14:14.48 | rm_you|zaurus | ewwww |
14:15.01 | polyonymous | I know :) |
14:15.17 | rm_you | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=15885 |
14:15.29 | polyonymous | thanks. |
14:15.45 | rm_you|zaurus | np |
14:15.45 | polyonymous | Ah, the old one. I think I've seen it. |
14:15.58 | rm_you|zaurus | using oz or hent? |
14:16.12 | polyonymous | Well, I think I've done everything they mention there. Yet it sigsegvs... |
14:16.18 | polyonymous | my own build from .dev branch |
14:16.26 | rm_you|zaurus | ah. |
14:16.28 | polyonymous | based on OZ distro |
14:16.33 | rm_you|zaurus | well... |
14:16.42 | polyonymous | so, kind of uncoredumped hentges :) |
14:16.49 | rm_you|zaurus | it might work? :P |
14:17.00 | rm_you|zaurus | lol |
14:17.08 | CoreDump|home | ;) |
14:17.21 | polyonymous | well, I'll look into it, but I barely used opera on handheld, anyway... |
14:17.30 | polyonymous | Now that I'm going to moscow I may want to use it, though. |
14:17.45 | rm_you|zaurus | konq is just too crash-happy imo |
14:18.18 | rm_you|zaurus | and scaling doesnt seem as nice |
14:19.14 | polyonymous | konq doesn't understand any non-english and non-utf page :( |
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14:20.02 | rm_you|zaurus | bah |
14:20.31 | rm_you|zaurus | graved the x with my finger |
14:20.44 | rm_you|zaurus | s/graved/grazed/ |
14:20.54 | polyonymous | :) |
14:21.04 | polyonymous | So you really use opie-irc? |
14:21.09 | rm_you|zaurus | yeah |
14:21.31 | rm_you|zaurus | no tab completion for nicks suxxorz tho |
14:21.42 | polyonymous | Have only tried it once, it worked, but I didn't feel like typing a lot -- I had my desktop nearby :) |
14:22.05 | rm_you|zaurus | ah, well i was planning to sleep |
14:22.21 | polyonymous | You will, when you run out of batteries :) |
14:22.38 | rm_you|zaurus | so i got in bed... but not tired so picked up the zaurus :P |
14:22.41 | rm_you|zaurus | lol |
14:22.48 | rm_you|zaurus | AC ftw |
14:23.02 | polyonymous | Then when YOU run out of power :) |
14:23.29 | rm_you|zaurus | if i unplug it my battery will die in approx 2 to 3 min |
14:23.33 | NAbyss | ssh + irssi works better :) |
14:23.33 | rm_you|zaurus | ;/ |
14:23.40 | rm_you|zaurus | lol |
14:23.46 | rm_you|zaurus | i could... |
14:23.58 | rm_you|zaurus | irssi is on my main machine |
14:24.12 | rm_you|zaurus | i should just run it in a screen |
14:24.19 | NAbyss | Yeah, that's what I do |
14:24.23 | NAbyss | irssi and tf in a screen |
14:24.29 | polyonymous | NAbyss, that's what I resort to in regard to reading mail. |
14:24.39 | polyonymous | ssh/screen/mutt |
14:24.48 | rm_you|zaurus | mmm, mutt |
14:24.57 | polyonymous | Z/linux/opie/console/ssh/screen/mutt ;-) |
14:25.24 | polyonymous | opie mail client doesn't work well with non-english mail as well |
14:25.32 | rm_you|zaurus | hrm |
14:26.03 | rm_you|zaurus | anything i get in non-english is spam :P so that should work out well |
14:26.11 | polyonymous | My native is russian. |
14:26.34 | rm_you|zaurus | ah. |
14:28.17 | rm_you|zaurus | hrm |
14:28.40 | rm_you|zaurus | ssh -> bitbake from zaurus :P |
14:29.59 | polyonymous | that should do well |
14:30.43 | rm_you|zaurus | i cant belive no one has ever bothered to fix these stupid broken timezones... lol |
14:31.02 | NAbyss | rm_you|zaurus: IIRC, there's separate packages to install for the timezones |
14:31.10 | NAbyss | Which, is stupid IMHO.. but, yeah, debate for another day. |
14:31.13 | polyonymous | rm_you, what's wrong with them? I just link /etc/localtime to keep myself happy |
14:31.22 | rm_you|zaurus | i tried, didnt seem to help :/ |
14:31.47 | polyonymous | works for me... |
14:32.04 | polyonymous | except for time settings barely survive any reset/reboot |
14:32.11 | polyonymous | but not zone, just time |
14:32.24 | rm_you|zaurus | i meant about the extra packages |
14:32.36 | polyonymous | ah |
14:32.50 | polyonymous | Isn't extra packages thing mostly related to gpe image? |
14:33.04 | rm_you|zaurus | maybe |
14:33.12 | rm_you|zaurus | theyre in the opie feeds tho |
14:33.28 | polyonymous | that doesn't necessarily means they're not installed by default |
14:33.31 | rm_you|zaurus | but i'm beginning ti learn how little that really means |
14:33.49 | polyonymous | rm_you, Thanks for making me reread the link. I didn't install qpf fonts and opera doesn't support ttf |
14:34.02 | rm_you|zaurus | yeah :P np |
14:34.27 | polyonymous | works now |
14:36.18 | polyonymous | now why doesn't my opie die when I want it to?? |
14:37.00 | rm_you|zaurus | ? |
14:38.58 | rm_you|zaurus | installing timezones-america again, see if it helps this time |
14:42.35 | polyonymous | My opie dies on suspend/resume once in a while, I'm working on workaround script and can't debug it because opie refuses to die... |
14:42.46 | rm_you|zaurus | lol |
14:43.12 | polyonymous | yes, it did!!! :) |
14:43.14 | rm_you|zaurus | hrm, it fixed a few timezones, but the majority are still broken |
14:43.55 | rm_you|zaurus | especially the ones that actually make sense, like... pacific, central, eastern... |
14:43.56 | polyonymous | Well, luckily I'm in Europe, anyway :) |
14:44.55 | rm_you|zaurus | instead, theres like thirty obtuse cities that no one cares about that dont actually include the capitols of any states |
14:46.08 | rm_you|zaurus | well, i think i'll sleep now. it's almost 10 AM :P |
14:46.14 | rm_you|zaurus | night |
14:46.45 | polyonymous | sleep tight |
14:46.55 | rm_you|zaurus | lol |
14:47.29 | rm_you|zaurus | wonder what happens if i suspend/resume and leave irc open :P |
14:47.43 | rm_you|zaurus | i shall find out in the morning! |
14:47.45 | polyonymous | Nothing if you do it for a short while. |
14:47.53 | polyonymous | It will disconnect by that time. |
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16:25.37 | Ecco | Why does OZ stick with JFFS2 partitions ? |
16:26.35 | polyonymous | Hmm... guess there was a reason which I forgot... Doesn't matter much to me, since my flash isn't used much, anyway (which means not at all) |
16:27.19 | CoreDump|home | polyonymous: lucky bastard ;) |
16:27.37 | polyonymous | CoreDump|home, it's not luck -- I spend on it more than I could afford! :) |
16:28.16 | polyonymous | And this is no joke, I'm unemployed and all, but couldn't resist temptation to arrange one for my birthday. |
16:30.32 | CoreDump|home | ;) |
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17:35.20 | Axioplase | Hi! |
17:35.38 | Axioplase | Just wondering... does flashing the previous install will erase the content on the SD card too ? |
17:35.49 | CoreDump|home | no |
17:36.07 | CoreDump|home | flashing does not touch anything but flash |
17:36.54 | Axioplase | yeah, but on my SL5000d, no sd <=> not working. So, I guess it uses the SD card too.. |
17:37.33 | CoreDump|home | nope, SD is not required for operation. And flashing the device will not touch SD or CF |
17:39.05 | Axioplase | So... If I want a brand new install, it's my turn to clean the SD card manually, isn't it ? |
17:39.29 | CoreDump|home | correct |
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18:45.15 | pgas | news from sashz: |
18:45.17 | pgas | <sashz> aaaaaadddddeddddd overlay2 support in kernel 2.6! |
18:45.25 | pgas | (for pxa270) |
18:49.07 | polyonymous | what's overlay2 support (sorry for asking) |
18:50.21 | CoreDump|home | neat |
18:50.50 | polyonymous | What's it and why is it net? :) |
18:50.54 | polyonymous | neat too |
18:52.20 | CoreDump|home | that's the fb accel patch if I'm right |
18:52.41 | polyonymous | Aha, I see. Thanks. |
18:52.54 | pgas | yeah, something like that, one plane for playing video and another plane |
18:53.18 | polyonymous | Not something I care about, but nice to know, anyway. |
18:53.25 | pgas | I don't know exactly what the pxa270 is capable of... don't have one |
18:55.21 | CoreDump|home | well, smooth fullscreen playback would be most welcome |
18:56.14 | polyonymous | I don't even watch movies on my desktop... I don't watch movies at all, to be trie. I'm so old-fashioned that I mostly read ebooks ;-) |
18:57.02 | CoreDump|home | that I do,too |
18:57.05 | CoreDump|home | ;) |
18:57.12 | pgas | well, I mostly read paper books :) |
19:03.43 | polyonymous | pgas, I hate turning pages and with paper books you need a light. |
19:04.12 | polyonymous | CoreDump|home, I liked your suggestion in opie bugtracker about autosaving position and since my opie is dying I may even get my hands on it if I get time :) |
19:05.04 | CoreDump|home | that would be nice |
19:05.46 | polyonymous | I'm not sure what will happen to me next month, but it is quite possible that I will have time for it while I'm away from the net... Don't know for sure... |
19:06.57 | CoreDump|home | mehh 1 month w/o internet, that sucks bad |
19:07.52 | polyonymous | Well, not quite w/o internet, but w/o my main computer, w/o bandwidth, maybe w/o time, since I'm going to Moscow because my dad is very sick... |
19:08.33 | polyonymous | I may even go to israel with him for surgery and I have absolutely no idea if I will have any net access over there if I do. |
19:09.37 | CoreDump|home | :\ |
19:10.01 | CoreDump|home | sorry to hear that |
19:11.41 | polyonymous | owell.. |
19:11.58 | polyonymous | so called "life" |
19:12.44 | CoreDump|home | and life's a bitch heh |
19:12.54 | polyonymous | she is. she really is. |
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20:36.07 | CoreDump|home | boy, kexec support is going to be a bitch |
20:39.17 | JustinP | why's that? |
20:39.25 | JustinP | I already added a menu option to boot my 2.4 kernel ;-) |
20:40.02 | CoreDump|home | because if done propperly, you need a menu-style configuration wizzard for each available kernel |
20:40.17 | CoreDump|home | must be able to configure it on a per-image/rootfs basis etc |
20:42.59 | JustinP | true |
20:43.24 | JustinP | of course the problem there is that you can't necessarily configure a rootfs/image for a kernel |
20:43.25 | polyonymous | CoreDump|home, you can start with per-image kind of .conf file |
20:43.37 | JustinP | well....not for a 2.4 kernel at least (for the spitz) :-| |
20:43.44 | CoreDump|home | polyonymous: there will be no .conf files the user had to edit |
20:43.56 | polyonymous | CoreDump|home, _start_with_ |
20:44.05 | CoreDump|home | the .conf madness of rboot was one of the reasons to start with altboot |
20:44.56 | CoreDump|home | JustinP: that can be done I believe, yes. It's gonna be a lot of work tho |
20:45.26 | JustinP | CoreDump|home: good luck... |
20:46.06 | CoreDump|home | JustinP: I can't test 2.4 kernels anyway, not possible in Akita due to kernel 2.6 flash "corruption" |
20:47.17 | JustinP | CoreDump|home: yeah, I know. My point was that you'd have to install altboot on the flash as well and the write to it form altboot and all....1) flash problems with 2.6 and 2) you removed 2.4 support anyway ;-) |
20:47.32 | JustinP | it's super easy to add menu items already ^_^ |
20:48.21 | CoreDump|home | =) |
20:48.25 | polyonymous | CoreDump|home, have you ever considered doing it as a self-contained application, not shell script? |
20:48.42 | CoreDump|home | polyonymous: nope, I can't code in c* |
20:48.50 | JustinP | heh |
20:48.53 | JustinP | C isn't that bad |
20:48.54 | polyonymous | Ah, okay. |
20:48.59 | JustinP | but it would be worse than sh scripting ;-) |
20:49.01 | polyonymous | Not sure if c* is harder than sh :) |
20:49.14 | polyonymous | sometimes it's the other way around, JustinP ;) |
20:49.30 | CoreDump|home | the menu stuff could well be written in C with a nice GUI |
20:49.52 | polyonymous | That's what I thought about. |
20:49.54 | CoreDump|home | but the scripts? bahh, you'd end up calling userspace apps from withing that c code all over the place |
20:50.02 | polyonymous | Anyway, my Z decided to turn off the light :) |
20:50.28 | polyonymous | is there a way to turn it on from shell? |
20:50.49 | polyonymous | yeah, I was wondering, you probably source in these scripts? Something you can't do from c... |
20:50.52 | CoreDump|home | hmm there's a sysfs backlight interface |
20:51.47 | CoreDump|home | polyonymous: correct |
20:51.48 | polyonymous | Will think of it tuesday on the plane :) |
20:53.24 | polyonymous | ah /sys/class/backlight/corgi-bl/ |
20:54.41 | polyonymous | doesn't seem to do a thing :( |
20:55.04 | JustinP | polyonymous: it should |
20:55.12 | JustinP | polyonymous: cat 20 > /sys/class etc |
20:55.23 | polyonymous | which file? (I think I tried every possible one, though |
20:55.31 | polyonymous | except for s/cat/echo/ ;-) |
20:56.12 | polyonymous | actual_brightness stays at 0 |
20:56.12 | JustinP | sorry |
20:56.19 | JustinP | ecoh 20 > |
20:56.22 | JustinP | echo |
20:56.25 | polyonymous | yes, done that. |
20:56.30 | polyonymous | hm... |
20:56.40 | polyonymous | even tried to suspend/resume |
20:57.19 | JustinP | perhaps a reboot? |
20:57.25 | polyonymous | looks like it. |
20:57.57 | CoreDump|home | tried starting and stopping X or Opie? |
20:58.01 | polyonymous | Maybe I should've tried killing opie and doing the echo thing |
20:58.11 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
20:58.20 | polyonymous | Nope. I was in console, but I had it running on vt2, though. |
20:58.39 | CoreDump|home | opie blanks the VT... |
20:59.01 | polyonymous | it blanks the whole damn thing! ;-) |
20:59.07 | polyonymous | Although I think I've set it not to. |
20:59.08 | CoreDump|home | hehe |
20:59.23 | polyonymous | you never know with bees, like Winnie The Pooh would say, though. |
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