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03:50.23rm_youAnyone know where I can find oooooooold OZ releases?
03:50.35rm_youLike... around the era of 3.2? :P
04:06.15rm_youanyone know if alsa works right on 5500s? :P
04:19.22JustinPsound should work on all devices
04:24.41rm_yousound, yes... ALSA, not sure ;P
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05:46.00rm_youcan someone tell me how i'm supposed to start the alsa sound server?
05:46.25rm_youwhen i run aserver, it says: aserver aserver.c:1033:(main) you need to specify server name
05:46.35rm_youwhat name am i supposed to specify?
05:49.03rm_youbleargh.
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09:09.38EccoGuys, do you know what's the max size of a Z kernel ? (the C-1000)
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09:51.11CoreDump|homemorning
09:53.25CoreDump|homeEcco: It's e17, not e16. It runs fine but is a little bit slow. Not very PDA friendly currently IMO
09:53.44CoreDump|homebut boy the eyecandy rocks =)
10:11.49rm_youerrr... new to this whole zaurus development bit... I have bitbake and the whole crosscompiling thing set up, and I built a random package or two and they seem to work... but what do I tell bitbake if I just want to download the sources for the 2.4 kernel? :P
10:12.58CoreDump|homeif local.conf is correct, just bitbake virtual/kernel
10:13.39CoreDump|homeor bitbake openzaurus-sa for the collie kernel
10:13.47rm_youerr... k
10:13.53rm_youwon't that build it too?
10:14.03EccoCoreDump|home, ahem, the packages I ipkged was named e16.999
10:14.09Eccoi that E17 ?
10:14.45rm_youapparently local.conf ISNT correct then, cause it isnt finding either of those :(
10:14.52CoreDump|homeEcco: yep
10:14.59rm_youit built other stuff fine tho :/
10:15.00Eccoah ? Why is it named e16 then ? :-D
10:15.11EccoIt's like a beta of e17 ?
10:15.15CoreDump|homeEcco: correct
10:15.18CoreDump|homenot yet finished
10:15.22Eccooh, ok
10:15.23Eccogreat
10:15.35EccoYet it wouldn't work on my C1000 indeed
10:15.47rm_youwhat should DISTRO= be?
10:15.49EccoThere are several things that bug me out in the current state of OZ
10:15.55EccoSo I'm trying to roll my own
10:15.57CoreDump|homeEcco: It may be that the release image is broken
10:16.02EccoHmm, ok
10:16.21CoreDump|homerm_you: depends, do you use .dev or .oz354x branch?
10:16.28EccoWhat would you think about compiling the real Xorg server on the C-1000 ?
10:16.31rm_you.dev
10:16.34EccoIs it reasonable or stupid ?
10:16.39rm_youshould i be using oz354?
10:16.46CoreDump|homerm_you: openzaurus-unstable it is then
10:16.52CoreDump|homerm_you: yes, as a beginner you should
10:16.56rm_youok that's what I have... :/
10:17.00rm_youhrm
10:17.07CoreDump|homefor .oz DISTRO=openzaurus-3.5.4.1
10:17.24rm_youk well...
10:17.31CoreDump|homeEcco: Never tried, can't say
10:18.03CoreDump|homebut as space is limited, the real Xorg might be overkill
10:18.34rm_you--branch=org.openembedded.oz3541?
10:19.36CoreDump|homeno
10:19.40CoreDump|home--branch=org.openembedded.oz354x
10:19.44rm_youah
10:21.04CoreDump|homerm_you: I hope you have a fast machine =)
10:21.15rm_youlol
10:21.25rm_youfairly, but no psyco cause I'm AMD64 :/
10:21.56CoreDump|homeforget psycho, you don't need it when you compile, only for parsing IIRC
10:22.02rm_youah k
10:22.10rm_youthen I should be ok :/
10:22.22rm_youtoo bad I cant use my GPUs to help :P
10:22.53CoreDump|homebitbake hentges-opie-image hentges-gpe-image hentges-e-image opie-image gpe-images takes a whooping 8hrs on my P4 2.8
10:23.13rm_you2.2 Athlon64
10:23.19CoreDump|homeEcco: eww quad-cpu is nice =)
10:23.29Eccoyah, it's soooo fast
10:23.40Eccoespecially on compiling big stuff, since that parallelize pretty well
10:23.40rm_youI need to get a dual core.... but instead I could get a c1000... gah... conflicting urges
10:24.08CoreDump|homerm_you: my buildserver runs headless =)
10:24.28rm_youYeah I should make one... ACTUALLY... once I get back home I shall have one! ha!
10:24.34Eccomine has a 30" flat pannel attached to it :-D
10:24.46rm_youEcco: something about that makes part of me break
10:24.51CoreDump|homemine doesn't even have a graphics card currently hehe
10:29.32rm_youguess its time to grab a bite to eat then
10:33.17EccoDo you guys know when OZ 3.5.4.1 will be released ?
10:33.47CoreDump|homehrw|gone: said around mai 1st
10:33.54EccoOh, ok
10:33.57CoreDump|homemay even
10:34.01EccoHmm
10:34.14EccoDo you think many issues are going to get solved ?
10:34.30CoreDump|homeactually I do not see any blocking issues right now
10:34.41EccoI see severals though
10:34.53Ecco1/ there's a severe issue with USB on C-1000
10:35.03Ecco2/ Several packages are buggy
10:35.05CoreDump|homeThat is a known kernel thingy =)
10:35.11Ecco(groff for example)
10:35.22EccoYeah, but still, I mean the problem is really weird
10:35.25CoreDump|home2: I hopy hyou have reported the on the bug tracker?
10:35.29EccoSometimes it works, some times no
10:35.34EccoYes I did :-)
10:35.43CoreDump|homeEcco: I shall play w/ USB today
10:35.55EccoCoreDump|home, ah, that's some really good news
10:36.00EccoI tried to play with that
10:36.09EccoBut you know it's my 3rd day with my C-1000
10:36.20EccoSo I wanted to see first how powerfull it was and so
10:36.24EccoSo I gave up quickly
10:36.43EccoCoreDump|home, just to let you know
10:36.45Eccowhat happens
10:36.47Eccobasically
10:37.11Eccois that the C-1000 (when in USB device mode (ie gadget)) is not enumerated by the host controller
10:37.25Eccoand sometimes (like after a reboot or I don't know what in fact)
10:37.36CoreDump|homeI take it the PC sie runs linux as well?
10:37.40Eccoit is enumerated (i.e. lsusb on the host PC 'sees' it)
10:37.50EccoWell, it does not really depends on the host PC
10:37.56EccoI tried both Linux PC and Mac on OSX
10:38.10EccoIt looks like the bug definitely is on the Z side
10:38.21Ecco(OSX is famous for it's solid USB stack)
10:38.40Ecco(and Linux ahem well, you know, it's Linux, and on x86 it's rock-solid :-D)
10:38.47CoreDump|homehehe
10:38.55Ecco;-)
10:39.20EccoI talked a bit with RP about that
10:39.33EccoBut he told me he wouldn't know where the problem came from
10:39.49EccoIn fact it may no be pxa27x_udc related at the end
10:40.15EccoBecause the way it 'sometimes work' and 'sometimes doesn't' look _totally_ random
10:40.17CoreDump|homeI will see, IIRC net-ver-usb or whatever that was called works allright
10:40.28Ecconet-ver-usb ? What's that?
10:40.42CoreDump|homewell, network connection using USB
10:41.04Eccothat's g_ether
10:41.08Eccoisn't it ?
10:41.09CoreDump|homethen there's USB host mod (for use with USB client hardware like memory sticks etc)
10:41.17CoreDump|homesounds about right yes
10:41.26Eccohmm, yeah, that's ohci
10:41.33CoreDump|homeand USB client mode
10:41.34EccoWell
10:41.44Eccoyeap, USB client is pxa27x_udc
10:41.47EccoWell
10:41.57EccoI haven't tried USB host yet
10:42.16Eccobut as long as the USB client device driver was working (i.e. it got enumerated by the host)
10:42.22CoreDump|homeI used an USB BT stick on my Z once. Fun stuff =)
10:42.25Eccothe g_ether would work without troubles
10:42.27Ecco:-)
10:42.42EccoI need to get my hands on an USB OTG cable
10:43.26CoreDump|homeOTG?
10:43.54EccoOn-The_go
10:44.00EccoOn-The-Go, sorry
10:44.21EccoThat means it acts both as client and host
10:44.25CoreDump|homeahh
10:44.47CoreDump|homeNOTE: package hentges-gpe-image-oz3.5.4.1-alpha3-gpe2.7: completed
10:44.52CoreDump|hometime to check USB
10:44.55Eccogreat
10:45.03EccoCoreDump|home, you're using a C-1000 as well, right ?
10:45.07CoreDump|homeyes
10:45.16EccoGreat
10:45.21Eccolet me know how things work
10:45.26CoreDump|homewill do
10:45.52Eccothanks :-)
10:57.57EccoCoreDump|home : have you ever tried to build a bootstrap image that wouldn't use reduced tools
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10:58.11CoreDump|homehmm no
10:58.13EccoI mean without busybox at all
10:58.18EccoI quite don't like busybox
10:58.25CoreDump|homeyou'd basically have to write your own task-bootstrap
10:58.29EccoI feel like given the power of the C-1000...
10:58.34EccoWell, I'm doing it
10:58.45Eccobut I feel like I'll miss some packages
10:59.03Eccobecause busybox = coreutils + a lot of stupid little things
10:59.05CoreDump|homekeep in mind that 99% of all shell scripts in OZ are only tested w/ busybox...
10:59.15EccoHmm,
10:59.18EccoYeah, that's a point
10:59.29EccoIn fact I don't really like the way OZ is wired :-D
10:59.38EccoYet it's really handful to be built
10:59.43CoreDump|homealtboot broke horribly when someone installed bash, and manually pointed /bin/sh to it...
10:59.51EccoHmm, weird
11:00.01EccoIsn't there any other distro that aims ARM ?
11:00.13CoreDump|homedebian arm maybe...
11:00.46Eccoyeah, is there any other ?
11:02.30CoreDump|homeno idea, really
11:02.45CoreDump|homeyou could always build your own distro from scratch w/ OE
11:02.58CoreDump|homelike I do =)
11:03.00EccoReally ?
11:03.09EccoHow do you do that ?
11:03.11CoreDump|homesure
11:03.16CoreDump|homeOE is built for that
11:04.03CoreDump|homeIt's gonna be a lot of work, yes. But it's quite doable
11:05.04EccoHmm
11:05.08EccoHow do you do that ?
11:05.30EccoI've been tempted to go with LFS
11:05.35Eccobut that's way too much work
11:06.05CoreDump|homefirst thing would be to create your own conf/distro/$YOURDISTRO.conf
11:06.28Eccoyeah
11:06.32CoreDump|homecreate a task-bootstrap including the stuff you want etc
11:06.37Eccohmm
11:07.36EccoThat looks great : http://pocketworkstation.org/
11:09.10EccoHmm
11:09.21EccoWell, indeed it's true that stability is probably the most important thing
11:09.59CoreDump|homehentges has its very own bootstrap and image.bb files
11:10.18CoreDump|homeI try to keep close to OZ tho, so I can use the OZ feeds =)
11:11.20Ecco:-D
11:12.23rm_youSo wait... how different IS hentges?
11:13.10rm_youDid you modify from OZ or build from scratch from OE?
11:13.24CoreDump|homedifferent package selections, different default configurations for GPE / Opie, some little helpers to do stuff at boot-time etc
11:13.34CoreDump|homeI build from scratch
11:14.00rm_you:)
11:14.19CoreDump|homemany of the little fixes for annyoing problems were in hentges before they went into OZ =)
11:14.38rm_youYeah, i know :P that's why I started using it, at least
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11:15.22CoreDump|homeas OZ evolves (and becomes more mature) the difference shrinks back to different GUI defaults and a different package selection
11:15.52rm_youyeah... right now, I mainly appreciate the cardfs :P
11:16.24rm_youI mean... it's basically like it comes pre-installed with all the random shit i was going to have to install anyway :P
11:16.30CoreDump|homerm_you: cardfs is old stuff. The future for 16Mb flash devices is in root-on-SD or root-on-CF
11:16.51rm_youwell, I appreciate the cardfs you build :P it saves me a lot of time
11:17.10CoreDump|homeroot-on-* will ship with the smame amount of apps
11:17.19rm_youroot-on-SD is prolly what I need to do (you mentioned as much yesterday) but I still havent looked into it much
11:17.26CoreDump|homebut you'll boot of SD or CF, not flash
11:17.40rm_you... flash is faster, isnt it?
11:17.46CoreDump|homerm_you: play with it, you don't need to reflash for trying it
11:17.59rm_youyeah well my 1gig SD is at 98%
11:17.59CoreDump|homerm_you: you wont notice a difference
11:18.50rm_youi need to hurry up and buy this 1g micro-sd card for my cell phone so I can use it in my zaurus for testing stuff :P
11:19.01rm_yousince my phone came with a micro-sd to sd adapter
11:19.07CoreDump|homeor use a CF for testing
11:19.20rm_youmy CF is 16mb :/ enough for flashing and thats about it
11:19.31rm_youI pretty much reserve my CF slot full time to wifi
11:19.43CoreDump|homefair enough
11:20.53rm_youso... is a lot of the time you spend working on this spent sitting around waiting on bitbake? :P cause I don't want to be distracting you so much if you need to be working on stuff, lol
11:21.44CoreDump|homerm_you: I usually build images from scratch over night or while at work
11:22.01rm_youin other words, you should be working on stuff right now? :P
11:22.04CoreDump|homeonly "from scratch" takes ages
11:22.11CoreDump|homeI am =)
11:22.14rm_youlol sure
11:22.32rm_yougot the smp brain module installed? ^_^
11:22.34CoreDump|homefixed 2 more typos in hentges heh
11:22.37CoreDump|homesure
11:22.40rm_youlol... typos
11:23.07CoreDump|homeEcco: which modules do I need to modprobe for the ethernet usb thingy?
11:30.44rm_youCoreDump|home: transfer from SD should theoretically be fast enough that I shouldnt have to buffer audio too much, right?
11:30.56CoreDump|homeyes
11:31.31polyonymousCoreDump|home, g-ether?
11:36.21polyonymousI don't really understand when my time does and when it doesn't survive reboot/reset...
11:40.22CoreDump|homeEcco: g_ether works fine here...
11:44.17rm_youCoreDump|home: so what would be causing audio to skip when I play it from SD? it seems to transfer at a nice rate, but then it stalls very briefly every now and then (about 6-10 seconds i think)
11:44.57CoreDump|homerm_you: flash a kernel with ramdisk and try from there? Dunno, really. Never used sound on Collie
11:44.59rm_youThe only way I can keep it from skipping is by fully caching the file... like, cat $file > /dev/null && madplay $file
11:46.14Pend-Gonesince you probably know rm_you ... I just bought a motorola e815 cellphone
11:46.30Pend-Gonethe manual says it takes transflash memory
11:46.35rm_youyeah
11:46.47rm_youI have a motorola v360
11:46.49Pend-Goneis that micro SD.. or a certain micro SD deriv
11:46.58Pend-GoneI mean does a standard micro SD work
11:47.00rm_youtransflash includes a couple cards
11:47.14rm_youit's prolly micro sd
11:47.23Pend-GoneI didn't find out as much as I needed to and need to order a card
11:47.31rm_youlemmie look
11:48.00Pend-GoneI thought micro sd would be a bigger group of which transflash was a child.. from what you said I take it transflash is the group and micro SD is a type of transflash?
11:48.09Pend-GoneI knew about mini SD's =-s
11:48.27rm_youyes
11:48.55rm_youThere are a couple cards (mini sd and micro sd that I know of) that are considered "transflash"... for some reason. I'm not exactly clear myself
11:49.03rm_youI'm looking up the specs for your phone
11:49.53rm_youI'm thinking micro
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11:52.49Pend-Goneif it's a standard micro SD then I should be able to find a lexar or otherwise cheap one at ... buy..com maybe
11:52.56Pend-Gonesince they have decent rebates often
11:56.51rm_youerrr
11:57.28rm_youhttp://www.compuplus.com/i-SanDisk-1GB-1024MB-Micro-SD-TransFlash-Card-SDSDQ-1024-A10M-SDSDQ1024A10M-1006586~refer-froogle.html
11:57.34rm_youI was considering that one
11:57.45rm_younot sure about the company tho, so
11:58.25Pend-Gonethat was what was getting me
11:58.44Pend-Goneon most products I found online it said transflash... or micro sd.. but not both (at stores)
11:59.06Pend-Gonebut on general searches it implied it was the same technology to some extent
11:59.19rm_youlol
11:59.23rm_youyeah
11:59.28rm_youlook in your phone tho
11:59.29rm_youfind the slot
11:59.41rm_yousee how big it is, that should tell you what'll fit
11:59.54rm_youmy guess would be that they used the same technology
12:02.20Pend-Gonebeing that no local stores have them, I would have to buy both to find out by trial and error and send back one
12:02.37Pend-Gone=-) but I think I'll just buy a micro sd and see how it goes
12:02.38rm_youmicro sd
12:02.42rm_you:P
12:02.52Pend-Goneworst case if it comes with a SD convert, it's not wasted money
12:03.13rm_youi doubt it will, but my phone came with one
12:05.14Pend-Gonethanks for the info
12:05.35rm_youyep :P np
12:07.35CoreDump|homeEcco: http://hentges.net/tmp/screenshots/Zaurus/Akita/Misc/gether.jpg
12:16.55CoreDump|homethanks to NAT, even internet access works =)
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13:22.10EccoCoreDump|home, hey
13:22.15EccoI had it working on mine as well
13:22.25Eccobut it is weird, sometimes it works, sometimes it does not
13:23.05polyonymousstrange. it works for me quite consistently.
13:23.20polyonymousas in each and every time so far...
13:26.23Ecco...
13:26.29Eccoreally weird
13:27.59polyonymousit is... what's your dog again?
13:29.31Eccoakita
13:31.22polyonymousAbout the same as borzoi... Have you tried to connect it to any other usb host? Physically different that is?
13:32.03EccoYes, sure
13:32.08EccoI tried a MacOS X host
13:32.13Eccoand a Linux 2.6 x86 host
13:32.18CoreDump|homeEcco: really, no problems here what so ever
13:32.20Eccoin both cases the problem was the same
13:32.26EccoCoreDump|home, that's really weird
13:32.30polyonymousI see. Previously you referred to macos and linux, so I wasn't sure if it's different hardware.
13:32.33Eccodid you try rebooting your machine for example
13:32.44CoreDump|homeI am implementing USB Network support for altboot NFS currently
13:32.50EccoAh, ok
13:32.54CoreDump|homeEcco: yep to make sure
13:32.59Eccogee
13:33.01Eccoreally weird
13:33.10Eccowhat kernel/image are you using ?
13:33.17EccoI'm using 3.5.4.1a2
13:33.20CoreDump|home2.6.16 from .oz354x
13:33.24polyonymousit is.. I used usb network quite a lot when working on my BT card and had no problems...
13:33.26EccoAhem
13:33.38EccoWell, I brew up my own kernel from OE's sources
13:33.42Eccoand it just worked well
13:33.49polyonymouson all, I believe 2.6.15 and 2.6.16 flavours we've had.
13:33.52CoreDump|homego try the dafault kernel...
13:33.58Eccome ?
13:34.03EccoI did
13:34.04CoreDump|homeyep, who knows
13:34.07EccoThis one didn't work
13:34.17EccoThe one I did worked just great
13:34.20CoreDump|homewell whats your error exactly?
13:34.20polyonymousEcco, Well, I have to admit ALL these kernels were from local build, no stock downloads.
13:34.27Eccohmm
13:34.39Eccoin fact from the Zaurus point of view there is nearly no error
13:34.43polyonymousCould it be that there was a problem in a single zImage intance we've had on download?
13:34.56EccoIt could be polyonymous
13:34.58CoreDump|homecould be...
13:35.10EccoYet I md5'd it so my download isn't questionnable
13:35.14Eccobut the big deal is that the host doesn't even see the Zaurus
13:35.19polyonymousIt does look like it... Strange no one but Ecco complained yet.
13:35.22EccoI mean if I 'lsusb' on Linux... sees nothing
13:35.23CoreDump|homehttp://hentges.net/tmp/do_not_use/Akita/
13:35.38CoreDump|homethe url has normal GPE and opie images as loop-files and tarballs as well
13:36.01EccoOk, I'm going to give that a try
13:36.04CoreDump|homeBus 001 Device 010: ID 0525:a4a2 Netchip Technology, Inc. Linux-USB Ethernet/RNDIS Gadge
13:36.05polyonymousI think Ecco only cares about zImage and modules, not images...
13:36.10EccoJust being curious here, but what'shenteges ?
13:36.20polyonymousthat's him :)
13:36.21EccoCoreDump|home, yeah, that what it gives when it works
13:36.26CoreDump|homea distro based on OZ
13:36.29EccoOh, ok
13:36.35EccoA 'fork' off OZ ?
13:36.43CoreDump|homenot a fork no
13:36.43EccoWhat are the main differences w/ OZ ?
13:36.56Ecco(please, tell me you didn't use busybox and I'll love it :-D)
13:37.05CoreDump|homedifferent GUI defaults, a little helper script here and there
13:37.13CoreDump|homeand it used busybox =)
13:37.15Eccohmm, ok
13:37.17Eccowell
13:37.21Eccono problem :-)
13:37.59EccoIs the kernel on henteges a one you built on your own ?
13:38.12Eccohentges, sorry
13:38.14CoreDump|homecorrect
13:38.18Eccook, great
13:38.23EccoLemme try thisone
13:38.41Eccowow, your connection is... kinda slow :-D
13:38.52CoreDump|homeactually it is very fast
13:39.05EccoIt says "11hrs" to download 1.2Mb :-D
13:39.08CoreDump|homepeaks at 2Mb / sec from server to server
13:39.14EccoHmm
13:39.30EccoI've a 20Mbit download bandwidth
13:39.33Ecco:-D
13:39.35CoreDump|homethat MegaBytes, not MegaBits ;)
13:39.55Eccooh, ok, great :-D
13:40.12EccoWhere the hell did you get such a quick connection ?
13:40.16CoreDump|homeb_52CEntos: ouch
13:40.23EccoDoh
13:40.25CoreDump|homeit's a root server
13:40.29Eccook, using wget it went really fast
13:40.31CoreDump|homeie: rented
13:40.31Eccothat is to say ?
13:40.33Eccoha, ok
13:40.39EccoIt's not right near you
13:40.42Eccoallright
13:40.46CoreDump|homenowhere near me =)
13:41.04Eccookay :-)
13:41.37EccoI used to have GigaBit ethernet in my room, but we weren't allowed to host any server, so it was kinda useless :-D
13:41.37CoreDump|homepings of sat connection suck bad, or so I heard
13:41.51EccoCoreDump|home, yeah, they ought to
13:42.08b_52CEntosthere  is no other to make my proper ISP .....
13:42.10Eccosatellites are somewhere 30 000 Km over our heads
13:42.20Eccoso that means at least 60000 km
13:42.27b_52CEntosnot so far ... :)
13:42.33Eccowhich means ... at least 0.2 sec
13:42.41Eccoso the best ping you may ever have is 200 msec
13:42.49b_52CEntos0.2s it quite ok
13:42.54Ecconot terrible, but acceptable
13:43.01Eccoplus you can have really good bandwidth
13:43.06Eccobut forget gaming and VoIP
13:43.10CoreDump|homeif you are not a games, it's ok
13:43.17Eccowell, VoIP can still be OK
13:43.22b_52CEntosbut do you know what the autorithy that sell bandwich to world's ISP ?
13:43.23Eccodepends on where the signal lands
13:43.35Eccob_52CEntos, you should just forget about that
13:43.46EccoUnless you're a university or a big corporation
13:43.55Eccoyou just won't be able to afford that
13:44.01CoreDump|homeor are just filthy richt =)
13:44.05Eccoyeah :-D
13:44.07CoreDump|homeritch
13:44.13b_52CEntosunfortunatly it's not the case :)
13:44.16Eccorich, actually
13:44.19CoreDump|homeright
13:44.20Ecco:p
13:45.10Ecco:-D
13:45.36EccoCoreDump|home, I guess I have to rename hentges-opie-image to initrd.bin and zImage-akita to just zImage.bin , right ?
13:45.43polyonymousWhat do you need su31 and a copter for if you have an ISP??
13:45.59Ecco:-D
13:46.04EccoHey, flying's just soo cool :-)
13:46.06CoreDump|home*-image* is a tar.gz
13:46.11Eccoah
13:46.12Eccook
13:46.24b_52CEntospolyonymous,  people when they get rich buy ferrari ; boat .......   ; ME i want to buy a sukhoi :)
13:46.32EccoWhat am I supposed to do with it to flash it into my Zaurus ?
13:46.46CoreDump|homeextract?
13:46.51Eccoand ?
13:46.52polyonymousb_52CEntos, Weirdos. Be I rich or poor I prefer not to move my ass if I don't absolutely have to.
13:46.53Eccowhat does it give ?
13:46.57CoreDump|homeerr
13:47.01CoreDump|homeinitrd.bin
13:47.08Eccooh, ok, thanks :-)
13:47.22CoreDump|homepolyonymous: so damn true =D
13:47.57polyonymousCoreDump|home, The question why do we need personal MOBILE tool is still open, though :) Probably, because we aren't rich enough.
13:48.00b_52CEntospolyonymous,  weirdos = ? i didn't get the sense ?
13:48.10polyonymousb_52CEntos, Strange people the are.
13:48.29Eccoweirdos = "mec chelou"
13:48.34Ecco(just translating)
13:48.35polyonymousI used to learn french back in school, but forgot everything :(
13:48.49EccoDah, french's a bit useless international-wise
13:48.55b_52CEntospolyonymous,  ok :)
13:48.57Eccoyet it's a beautiful language
13:49.03polyonymousEcco, most of the beautiful things are useless.
13:49.09b_52CEntosbeautifull language ..... :(
13:49.24polyonymousWhat's the use of Claude Monet painting if there's no hole on the wall to hide it with?
13:49.40Eccob_52CEntos, where do you come from ? .ma is a TLD I've never heard of... Madagascar maybe ?
13:49.44EccoOh, no Marroco !!
13:49.45polyonymousmarocco?
13:49.48EccoYeah :-)
13:49.50b_52CEntosEcco,  morocco
13:49.55b_52CEntosyeap
13:50.02EccoI was there a few month ago... Very beautiful contry
13:50.07Eccocountry
13:50.30polyonymousI don't know much about Morocco, but back when I was a kid we've had the 'morocco' sticker on bananas and oranges. I had no clue it's a country :)
13:50.31b_52CEntosyeap
13:50.42Eccopolyonymous : LOL
13:50.47EccoReally beautiful, indeed
13:50.48polyonymousIt was like over 20 years ago, though.
13:50.53b_52CEntospleemans,  :)
13:51.09Eccoat the north west of Africa
13:51.14Eccounder spain
13:51.28polyonymousEcco, well, I don now way more about Morocco now.
13:51.34polyonymousAfter all it's been over 20 years ;-)
13:52.50Eccohttp://www.parcsdelagdal.com/images/immobilier-marrakech.jpg
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13:53.33Eccohttp://www.phototheque.net/Phototheques/Maroc/11-Tourisme-maroc.JPG
13:53.36EccoReally beautiful
13:53.41Eccoplus the weather's sooo warm :-D
13:53.45polyonymous"Marrakech" sounds like a curse :)
13:53.48Ecco:-D
13:53.50EccoLol
13:53.58EccoMarrakech... kazam !
13:54.02polyonymous:))
13:54.07rm_you|zaurusCoreDump, you here still?
13:54.21CoreDump|homeyes
13:54.23polyonymousYes, the second picture is fun to look at in reality.
13:54.23Eccomeaow
13:54.44rm_you|zaurusjust noticed, snes9x doesnt actually appear to be in any feeds for this rom?
13:55.05CoreDump|homeit should be in, yes
13:55.17rm_you|zaurusyour opiesh wrapper just kind of exits since it doesnt have anything to run :P
13:55.47rm_you|zaurusis it supposed to be installed?
13:55.54CoreDump|homeopie-sh? yes
13:56.03EccoCoreDump|home, hey, I like your distro :-)
13:56.04rm_you|zaurusi mean snes
13:56.11CoreDump|homeEcco: thanks =)
13:56.15EccoI like to see a little penguin plus all the boot messages
13:56.18Eccostarts great :-)
13:56.22CoreDump|homerm_you|zaurus: that, too yes
13:56.42Eccoargh
13:56.49Eccosh*t, it didn't flash my kernelin fact
13:56.54Ecco:-D
13:56.56CoreDump|homewas about to say lol
13:57.01rm_you|zaurusopie-sh-snes is installed alright, but snes9x itself is not and it doesnt exist in aby feed
13:57.11rm_you|zauruss/aby/any/
13:57.26rm_you|zauruslol nice bot
13:58.35rm_you|zaurusestingay
13:59.05EccoDoes any of you know what's the maximum size for a kernel that can be put on a C1000 ?
14:00.17rm_you|zauruss/\(.*\)\(.\)ay/\2\1/
14:00.25rm_you|zaurusdarn
14:00.29rm_you|zauruslol
14:00.49rm_you|zaurusthat took a long time to type on the zaurus keyboard too
14:01.24rm_you|zauruserr
14:01.30rm_you|zaurusestingtay
14:01.33rm_you|zauruss/\(.*\)\(.\)ay/\2\1/
14:02.03rm_you|zaurusyour bot needs to do complete sed :P
14:02.40polyonymousdoes he use a busybox version?
14:06.35rm_you|zaurusCoreDump: so what i was getting at was, are you aware that snes9x isnt working in your latest rom? :P
14:06.42EccoCoreDump|home, you distro looks great
14:07.09EccoDidn't test USB yet though
14:07.14CoreDump|homerm_you|zaurus: i wasnt and will investigate later
14:07.22CoreDump|homeEcco: thanks!
14:07.25Ecco;-)
14:08.11Eccoaouch
14:08.20rm_you|zauruskk. fyi snes9x package seems to have vanished from the feeds as of the new OZ
14:08.21Eccolaunching xterm logged me outta GPE :-/
14:08.44CoreDump|homeon firstboot yes
14:09.01Ecco?
14:09.07EccoThat's normal ?
14:09.08EccoOh, ok
14:09.14CoreDump|homeonly happens one time yes
14:09.15EccoThe fix is to reboot ?
14:09.19EccoOh, ok
14:09.24CoreDump|homeno log in again
14:09.25EccoJust being curious, but why ?
14:09.27Eccook
14:09.33CoreDump|homedunno heh
14:09.51EccoWow, Firefox
14:09.53Eccothat rules !
14:10.10CoreDump|homebut its so damn large....
14:10.17Eccoand damn slow :-D
14:10.28EccoaIt already is on my main PC so... :-D
14:11.17rm_you|zaurusopera is better, and i take consolation in the fact that it actually works on the 5500 :)
14:11.35Ecco:-)
14:11.49EccoYah
14:12.00EccoSounds like USB over ethernet works !
14:12.11rm_you|zauruseven goes into hentges with minimal effort
14:12.28rm_you|zaurususb eth works on 5500 too :)
14:12.41rm_you|zaurusjust tested it
14:12.51CoreDump|homeneat
14:13.02rm_you|zaurusprolly diff than what you,re talking about tho?
14:13.02polyonymousI made opera work on my last OZ image, but can't make it work on .dev image yet...
14:13.05EccoYeah, taht's cool
14:13.13EccoSo long guys, I'm going out
14:13.14Eccocya :-)
14:13.18CoreDump|homecya
14:13.49rm_you|zauruspoly:  theres a thread on oesf that has an updated ipkg
14:14.03rm_you|zaurusi might could find it...
14:14.15polyonymousrm_you, I'll take a look... I didn't use any .ipk when I made it work, though...
14:14.16rm_you|zauruscya ecco
14:14.21rm_you|zaurusah
14:14.36polyonymousjust was ripping parts out of cacko image
14:14.48rm_you|zaurusewwww
14:15.01polyonymousI know :)
14:15.17rm_youhttp://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=15885
14:15.29polyonymousthanks.
14:15.45rm_you|zaurusnp
14:15.45polyonymousAh, the old one. I think I've seen it.
14:15.58rm_you|zaurususing oz or hent?
14:16.12polyonymousWell, I think I've done everything they mention there. Yet it sigsegvs...
14:16.18polyonymousmy own build from .dev branch
14:16.26rm_you|zaurusah.
14:16.28polyonymousbased on OZ distro
14:16.33rm_you|zauruswell...
14:16.42polyonymousso, kind of uncoredumped hentges :)
14:16.49rm_you|zaurusit might work? :P
14:17.00rm_you|zauruslol
14:17.08CoreDump|home;)
14:17.21polyonymouswell, I'll look into it, but I barely used opera on handheld, anyway...
14:17.30polyonymousNow that I'm going to moscow I may want to use it, though.
14:17.45rm_you|zauruskonq is just too crash-happy imo
14:18.18rm_you|zaurusand scaling doesnt seem as nice
14:19.14polyonymouskonq doesn't understand any non-english and non-utf page :(
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14:20.02rm_you|zaurusbah
14:20.31rm_you|zaurusgraved the x with my finger
14:20.44rm_you|zauruss/graved/grazed/
14:20.54polyonymous:)
14:21.04polyonymousSo you really use opie-irc?
14:21.09rm_you|zaurusyeah
14:21.31rm_you|zaurusno tab completion for nicks suxxorz tho
14:21.42polyonymousHave only tried it once, it worked, but I didn't feel like typing a lot -- I had my desktop nearby :)
14:22.05rm_you|zaurusah, well i was planning to sleep
14:22.21polyonymousYou will, when you run out of batteries :)
14:22.38rm_you|zaurusso i got in bed... but not tired so picked up the zaurus :P
14:22.41rm_you|zauruslol
14:22.48rm_you|zaurusAC ftw
14:23.02polyonymousThen when YOU run out of power :)
14:23.29rm_you|zaurusif i unplug it my battery will die in approx 2 to 3 min
14:23.33NAbyssssh + irssi works better :)
14:23.33rm_you|zaurus;/
14:23.40rm_you|zauruslol
14:23.46rm_you|zaurusi could...
14:23.58rm_you|zaurusirssi is on my main machine
14:24.12rm_you|zaurusi should just run it in a screen
14:24.19NAbyssYeah, that's what I do
14:24.23NAbyssirssi and tf in a screen
14:24.29polyonymousNAbyss, that's what I resort to in regard to reading mail.
14:24.39polyonymousssh/screen/mutt
14:24.48rm_you|zaurusmmm, mutt
14:24.57polyonymousZ/linux/opie/console/ssh/screen/mutt ;-)
14:25.24polyonymousopie mail client doesn't work well with non-english mail as well
14:25.32rm_you|zaurushrm
14:26.03rm_you|zaurusanything i get in non-english is spam :P so that should work out well
14:26.11polyonymousMy native is russian.
14:26.34rm_you|zaurusah.
14:28.17rm_you|zaurushrm
14:28.40rm_you|zaurusssh -> bitbake from zaurus :P
14:29.59polyonymousthat should do well
14:30.43rm_you|zaurusi cant belive no one has ever bothered to fix these stupid broken timezones... lol
14:31.02NAbyssrm_you|zaurus: IIRC, there's separate packages to install for the timezones
14:31.10NAbyssWhich, is stupid IMHO.. but, yeah, debate for another day.
14:31.13polyonymousrm_you, what's wrong with them? I just link /etc/localtime to keep myself happy
14:31.22rm_you|zaurusi tried, didnt seem to help :/
14:31.47polyonymousworks for me...
14:32.04polyonymousexcept for time settings barely survive any reset/reboot
14:32.11polyonymousbut not zone, just time
14:32.24rm_you|zaurusi meant about the extra packages
14:32.36polyonymousah
14:32.50polyonymousIsn't extra packages thing mostly related to gpe image?
14:33.04rm_you|zaurusmaybe
14:33.12rm_you|zaurustheyre in the opie feeds tho
14:33.28polyonymousthat doesn't necessarily means they're not installed by default
14:33.31rm_you|zaurusbut i'm beginning ti learn how little that really means
14:33.49polyonymousrm_you, Thanks for making me reread the link. I didn't install qpf fonts and opera doesn't support ttf
14:34.02rm_you|zaurusyeah :P np
14:34.27polyonymousworks now
14:36.18polyonymousnow why doesn't my opie die when I want it to??
14:37.00rm_you|zaurus?
14:38.58rm_you|zaurusinstalling timezones-america again, see if it helps this time
14:42.35polyonymousMy opie dies on suspend/resume once in a while, I'm working on workaround script and can't debug it because opie refuses to die...
14:42.46rm_you|zauruslol
14:43.12polyonymousyes, it did!!! :)
14:43.14rm_you|zaurushrm, it fixed a few timezones, but the majority are still broken
14:43.55rm_you|zaurusespecially the ones that actually make sense, like... pacific, central, eastern...
14:43.56polyonymousWell, luckily I'm in Europe, anyway :)
14:44.55rm_you|zaurusinstead, theres like thirty obtuse cities that no one cares about that dont actually include the capitols of any states
14:46.08rm_you|zauruswell, i think i'll sleep now. it's almost 10 AM :P
14:46.14rm_you|zaurusnight
14:46.45polyonymoussleep tight
14:46.55rm_you|zauruslol
14:47.29rm_you|zauruswonder what happens if i suspend/resume and leave irc open :P
14:47.43rm_you|zaurusi shall find out in the morning!
14:47.45polyonymousNothing if you do it for a short while.
14:47.53polyonymousIt will disconnect by that time.
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16:25.37EccoWhy does OZ stick with JFFS2 partitions ?
16:26.35polyonymousHmm... guess there was a reason which I forgot... Doesn't matter much to me, since my flash isn't used much, anyway (which means not at all)
16:27.19CoreDump|homepolyonymous: lucky bastard ;)
16:27.37polyonymousCoreDump|home, it's not luck -- I spend on it more than I could afford! :)
16:28.16polyonymousAnd this is no joke, I'm unemployed and all, but couldn't resist temptation to arrange one for my birthday.
16:30.32CoreDump|home;)
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17:35.20AxioplaseHi!
17:35.38AxioplaseJust wondering... does flashing the previous install will erase the content on the SD card too ?
17:35.49CoreDump|homeno
17:36.07CoreDump|homeflashing does not touch anything but flash
17:36.54Axioplaseyeah, but on my SL5000d, no sd <=> not working. So, I guess it uses the SD card too..
17:37.33CoreDump|homenope, SD is not required for operation. And flashing the device will not touch SD or CF
17:39.05AxioplaseSo... If I want a brand new install, it's my turn to clean the SD card manually, isn't it ?
17:39.29CoreDump|homecorrect
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18:45.15pgasnews from sashz:
18:45.17pgas<sashz> aaaaaadddddeddddd overlay2 support in kernel 2.6!
18:45.25pgas(for pxa270)
18:49.07polyonymouswhat's overlay2 support (sorry for asking)
18:50.21CoreDump|homeneat
18:50.50polyonymousWhat's it and why is it net? :)
18:50.54polyonymousneat too
18:52.20CoreDump|homethat's the fb accel patch if I'm right
18:52.41polyonymousAha, I see. Thanks.
18:52.54pgasyeah, something like that, one plane for playing video and another plane
18:53.18polyonymousNot something I care about, but nice to know, anyway.
18:53.25pgasI don't know exactly what the pxa270 is capable of... don't have one
18:55.21CoreDump|homewell, smooth fullscreen playback would be most welcome
18:56.14polyonymousI don't even watch movies on my desktop... I don't watch movies at all, to be trie. I'm so old-fashioned that I mostly read ebooks  ;-)
18:57.02CoreDump|homethat I do,too
18:57.05CoreDump|home;)
18:57.12pgaswell, I mostly read paper books :)
19:03.43polyonymouspgas, I hate turning pages and with paper books you need a light.
19:04.12polyonymousCoreDump|home, I liked your suggestion in opie bugtracker about autosaving position and since my opie is dying I may even get my hands on it if I get time :)
19:05.04CoreDump|homethat would be nice
19:05.46polyonymousI'm not sure what will happen to me next month, but it is quite possible that I will have time for it while I'm away from the net... Don't know for sure...
19:06.57CoreDump|homemehh 1 month w/o internet, that sucks bad
19:07.52polyonymousWell, not quite w/o internet, but w/o my main computer, w/o bandwidth, maybe w/o time, since I'm going to Moscow because my dad is very sick...
19:08.33polyonymousI may even go to israel with him for surgery and I have absolutely no idea if I will have any net access over there if I do.
19:09.37CoreDump|home:\
19:10.01CoreDump|homesorry to hear that
19:11.41polyonymousowell..
19:11.58polyonymousso called "life"
19:12.44CoreDump|homeand life's a bitch heh
19:12.54polyonymousshe is. she really is.
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20:36.07CoreDump|homeboy, kexec support is going to be a bitch
20:39.17JustinPwhy's that?
20:39.25JustinPI already added a menu option to boot my 2.4 kernel ;-)
20:40.02CoreDump|homebecause if done propperly, you need a menu-style configuration wizzard for each available kernel
20:40.17CoreDump|homemust be able to configure it on a per-image/rootfs basis etc
20:42.59JustinPtrue
20:43.24JustinPof course the problem there is that you can't necessarily configure a rootfs/image for a kernel
20:43.25polyonymousCoreDump|home, you can start with per-image kind of .conf file
20:43.37JustinPwell....not for a 2.4 kernel at least (for the spitz) :-|
20:43.44CoreDump|homepolyonymous: there will be no .conf files the user had to edit
20:43.56polyonymousCoreDump|home, _start_with_
20:44.05CoreDump|homethe .conf madness of rboot was one of the reasons to start with altboot
20:44.56CoreDump|homeJustinP: that can be done I believe, yes. It's gonna be a lot of work tho
20:45.26JustinPCoreDump|home: good luck...
20:46.06CoreDump|homeJustinP: I can't test 2.4 kernels anyway, not possible in Akita due to kernel 2.6 flash "corruption"
20:47.17JustinPCoreDump|home: yeah, I know. My point was that you'd have to install altboot on the flash as well and the write to it form altboot and all....1) flash problems with 2.6 and 2) you removed 2.4 support anyway ;-)
20:47.32JustinPit's super easy to add menu items already ^_^
20:48.21CoreDump|home=)
20:48.25polyonymousCoreDump|home, have you ever considered doing it as a self-contained application, not shell script?
20:48.42CoreDump|homepolyonymous: nope, I can't code in c*
20:48.50JustinPheh
20:48.53JustinPC isn't that bad
20:48.54polyonymousAh, okay.
20:48.59JustinPbut it would be worse than sh scripting ;-)
20:49.01polyonymousNot sure if c* is harder than sh :)
20:49.14polyonymoussometimes it's the other way around, JustinP  ;)
20:49.30CoreDump|homethe menu stuff could well be written in C with a nice GUI
20:49.52polyonymousThat's what I thought about.
20:49.54CoreDump|homebut the scripts? bahh, you'd end up calling userspace apps from withing that c code all over the place
20:50.02polyonymousAnyway, my Z decided to turn off the light :)
20:50.28polyonymousis there a way to turn it on from shell?
20:50.49polyonymousyeah, I was wondering, you probably source in these scripts? Something you can't do from c...
20:50.52CoreDump|homehmm there's a sysfs backlight interface
20:51.47CoreDump|homepolyonymous: correct
20:51.48polyonymousWill think of it tuesday on the plane :)
20:53.24polyonymousah /sys/class/backlight/corgi-bl/
20:54.41polyonymousdoesn't seem to do a thing :(
20:55.04JustinPpolyonymous: it should
20:55.12JustinPpolyonymous: cat 20 > /sys/class etc
20:55.23polyonymouswhich file? (I think I tried every possible one, though
20:55.31polyonymousexcept for s/cat/echo/ ;-)
20:56.12polyonymousactual_brightness stays at 0
20:56.12JustinPsorry
20:56.19JustinPecoh 20 >
20:56.22JustinPecho
20:56.25polyonymousyes, done that.
20:56.30polyonymoushm...
20:56.40polyonymouseven tried to suspend/resume
20:57.19JustinPperhaps a reboot?
20:57.25polyonymouslooks like it.
20:57.57CoreDump|hometried starting and stopping X or Opie?
20:58.01polyonymousMaybe I should've tried killing opie and doing the echo thing
20:58.11CoreDump|homeindeed
20:58.20polyonymousNope. I was in console, but I had it running on vt2, though.
20:58.39CoreDump|homeopie blanks the VT...
20:59.01polyonymousit blanks the whole damn thing! ;-)
20:59.07polyonymousAlthough I think I've set it not to.
20:59.08CoreDump|homehehe
20:59.23polyonymousyou never know with bees, like Winnie The Pooh would say, though.
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