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| 15:24.24 | timlinux | hi all |
| 15:24.48 | timlinux | has anyone installed qt4 on zaurus? |
| 15:24.59 | timlinux | can anyone point me to info on doing that? |
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| 15:42.16 | lardman|work | hi guys |
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| 16:11.51 | Radiance | hi lardman |
| 16:14.14 | mimecar | is oe forum off ? |
| 16:25.51 | pgas | it seems so |
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| 16:27.49 | obscurite | hhe. |
| 16:38.37 | lardman|work | hmm, openzaurus wiki is also down |
| 16:38.54 | lardman|work | in fact the whole interweb seems slow to me today |
| 16:39.15 | pgas | oesf seems ok now |
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| 16:42.08 | lardman|work | home time, have a nice evening all |
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| 20:34.56 | AlexTe | Anyone running alpha2 and altboot (akita) ? I'm having tons of I/O errors on my SD card. It worked before with alpha1 and I have zeroed the SD card, etc so it's fine. |
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| 21:37.39 | JohnReimer | do bluetooh CF cards work with OZ 3.5.4.1 yet? |
| 21:38.00 | JohnReimer | I have a billionton bluetooth CF that I'm trying to get working on the C700 |
| 21:38.12 | JohnReimer | but I'm not sure if the kernel up to the task yet? |
| 21:38.28 | JohnReimer | seems to recognize a new serial port |
| 21:40.08 | JohnReimer | but the desktop bluetooth thingy seem to work |
| 21:42.42 | XorA | JohnReimer: billionton works |
| 21:43.01 | XorA | JohnReimer: try |
| 21:43.02 | XorA | setserial /dev/ttyS3 baud_base 921600 |
| 21:43.03 | XorA | hciattach -s 921600 /dev/ttyS3 bcsp |
| 21:43.11 | JohnReimer | hmmm... good to know... I wonder how I get this one working |
| 21:43.29 | JohnReimer | are there any instructions somewhere. or does it just work by plugging it in? |
| 21:43.43 | JohnReimer | thank you! I'll give it a try! |
| 21:43.48 | XorA | plug it in, run what I just said and the try hcitool scan |
| 21:44.01 | JohnReimer | will do |
| 21:44.01 | XorA | if that works then edit /etc/bluetooth/hciattach to do the same |
| 21:44.13 | XorA | thats what I need to do for my billionton |
| 21:44.42 | JohnReimer | ok |
| 21:45.37 | JohnReimer | Is it really on dev/ttyS3 or is will it be on another device ? |
| 21:45.44 | XorA | and one day I really should figure out how to automate that |
| 21:45.54 | XorA | JohnReimer: it should be ttyS3 |
| 21:46.16 | XorA | JohnReimer: thats the first port pcmcia allocates |
| 21:46.20 | JohnReimer | ok |
| 21:46.37 | XorA | dmesg lies on that kernel so dont get confused |
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| 21:47.23 | JohnReimer | :) |
| 21:47.23 | JohnReimer | that's what I was wondering |
| 21:47.27 | TCMAN | hi |
| 21:49.04 | JohnReimer | ha seemed to work... it picked up my Dell X50v |
| 21:49.09 | JohnReimer | thank you much! |
| 21:49.16 | XorA | JohnReimer: no probs |
| 21:49.54 | JohnReimer | and my dell picks it up too |
| 21:52.16 | kellyh | i found my socket rev f card works with 3.5.4.1-alpha2... well it found stuff anyway |
| 21:52.27 | XorA | now I sleep |
| 21:53.13 | JohnReimer | Now I have to figure out how to use all those bluetooth tools :P |
| 21:53.31 | TCMAN | i am trying to flash 3.5.4.1alpha2 on my c3100 and it seems to have failed |
| 21:53.53 | TCMAN | i have one one ext2 partition and one swap partition on my microdrive |
| 21:54.07 | TCMAN | does oz require 3 partitions? |
| 21:54.12 | JohnReimer | I haven't tried that yet... I'm a little nervous to put it on my C3200 just yet |
| 21:54.32 | TCMAN | i also had pdaxrom before and so my flash has nonstandard split 120/8mb |
| 21:54.38 | TCMAN | does it matter at all? |
| 21:55.13 | TCMAN | i flashed again and the same problem |
| 21:55.32 | JohnReimer | I think you have to get it flashed back to the default sharp setup |
| 21:55.46 | JohnReimer | that's what my understanding was anyway |
| 21:55.58 | TCMAN | right after starting z it displays kernel panic not syncing vfs unable to mount fs on uknown-block(0,0) |
| 21:56.02 | TCMAN | wtf! |
| 21:56.21 | JohnReimer | :P |
| 21:56.25 | TCMAN | it doesnt even load the kernel |
| 21:57.04 | JohnReimer | ouch... |
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| 22:22.37 | TCMAN_ | hmm maybe i should try restore original sharp rom first |
| 22:23.24 | JohnReimer | yes... good idea |
| 22:23.51 | JohnReimer | and make sure you clear all previous user data... it might conflict with later installs |
| 22:25.42 | TCMAN_ | the oz install reformats the first partition on hdd apparently |
| 22:26.03 | TCMAN_ | and then is uncompressing the hdd image |
| 22:26.11 | TCMAN_ | and then bang, this message |
| 22:26.52 | JohnReimer | maybe the partition isn't big enough... I don't know |
| 22:31.49 | TCMAN_ | lol |
| 22:31.51 | TCMAN_ | it is 8gb |
| 22:32.02 | TCMAN_ | i have 8gb microdrive installed |
| 22:32.10 | JohnReimer | 8 gb? I think it's 4 Gb on the 3100 |
| 22:32.18 | JohnReimer | but the partitions might be very small |
| 22:32.21 | TCMAN_ | yeah, i replaced it with seagate 8gb md |
| 22:32.24 | JohnReimer | especially the root partition |
| 22:32.27 | JohnReimer | okay |
| 22:32.32 | JohnReimer | wow |
| 22:32.38 | JohnReimer | that must have been expensive :) |
| 22:32.39 | TCMAN_ | i have 8gb partition 1 and 256mb swap |
| 22:32.45 | JohnReimer | okay |
| 22:32.48 | TCMAN_ | $150 not that bad |
| 22:32.51 | JohnReimer | forget what I said than :) |
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| 22:32.56 | JohnReimer | US? |
| 22:32.59 | TCMAN_ | yeah |
| 22:33.01 | JohnReimer | that's not bad at all... wow |
| 22:33.04 | TCMAN_ | they are on amazon |
| 22:33.15 | JohnReimer | I'll have to take a peek |
| 22:33.18 | JohnReimer | thanks |
| 22:33.30 | JohnReimer | maybe it doesn't work in there and that's your problem ;) |
| 22:35.15 | TCMAN_ | that would be weird, maybe the nonstandard partitioning is a problem |
| 22:35.30 | TCMAN_ | i wonder whether oz uses anything besides first partition |
| 22:35.48 | TCMAN_ | but i think the problem is that kernel does not get loaded in the first placed |
| 22:36.06 | TCMAN_ | it just starts, blinks the screen and displays the error message |
| 22:36.38 | TCMAN_ | if this was hdd problem then the kernel would load, display boatload of messages and then fail with unable to mount root |
| 22:37.02 | JohnReimer | true |
| 22:37.14 | JohnReimer | so you are saying ti doesn't actually get to booting from the hard disk? |
| 22:38.33 | TCMAN_ | kernele has to be on flash |
| 22:38.43 | TCMAN_ | kernel is always on flash |
| 22:38.55 | TCMAN_ | it is loaded from flash to ram, then it mounts root |
| 22:39.05 | TCMAN_ | but i think on mine kernel does not even get loaded |
| 22:39.54 | JohnReimer | oh... but on the 3xxx series... it says it's linux is installed completely on the disk... I thought |
| 22:40.03 | JohnReimer | it's the only version that has this variation |
| 22:40.10 | JohnReimer | all other zaurus go on flash |
| 22:40.18 | JohnReimer | that's what I thought |
| 22:42.04 | TCMAN_ | kernel is always on flash |
| 22:42.14 | TCMAN_ | and initrd too |
| 22:43.09 | JustinP | JohnReimer: kernel is always in flash |
| 22:43.27 | JohnReimer | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/installation/sl-c3000/ |
| 22:43.28 | JustinP | JohnReimer: C3xxx have the root installed to the MD but kernel is always in flash |
| 22:43.42 | JohnReimer | For 2.6 kernels we ignore the flash entirely and install/boot directly from the microdrive |
| 22:43.42 | JustinP | *kernel* != *root* |
| 22:43.50 | JustinP | yes |
| 22:43.53 | JustinP | for *root* |
| 22:44.00 | JohnReimer | oh... I must have misunderstood then... :P |
| 22:44.22 | JohnReimer | what is root then? |
| 22:44.32 | JustinP | the root FS |
| 22:44.40 | JustinP | the tarball |
| 22:44.44 | JustinP | where the files are |
| 22:44.50 | JustinP | the place where you install stuff |
| 22:44.55 | JohnReimer | okay... why do the install boot directly from the microdrive then? |
| 22:45.02 | JustinP | because it can |
| 22:45.12 | JohnReimer | that sounds like the are skipping using the flash at all |
| 22:45.18 | JustinP | why use the flash and have to do a nasty pivot when you can just boot from the MD like you should? |
| 22:45.24 | JustinP | we are....for a filesystem |
| 22:45.30 | JustinP | the Z itself boots the kernel from flash |
| 22:45.34 | JohnReimer | I'm totally not following |
| 22:45.37 | JustinP | we can't change that (at least not as yet) |
| 22:45.46 | JohnReimer | oh |
| 22:45.50 | JustinP | JohnReimer: MD == microdrive |
| 22:45.55 | TCMAN_ | because there are great benefits of having rootfs on md |
| 22:45.56 | JohnReimer | yes... I got that |
| 22:45.58 | JustinP | JohnReimer: Flash == flash storage |
| 22:45.58 | TCMAN_ | like no damn links and no burning out flash |
| 22:46.14 | TCMAN_ | kernel is only flashed once so its not a problem |
| 22:46.18 | JustinP | JohnReimer: usually the Zaurii boot a root fs on flash |
| 22:46.25 | JohnReimer | I understand that... I think md is excellent... |
| 22:46.30 | JustinP | JohnReimer: the MD models don't because RP is cool ;-) |
| 22:46.42 | TCMAN_ | the worst thing is links and installing/uninstalling change of config files and damn log file burning out flash |
| 22:46.43 | JohnReimer | right... makes perfect sense |
| 22:46.59 | JohnReimer | how many rights to flash before it burns out? |
| 22:47.00 | JustinP | JohnReimer: esp. in the 3000, the flash is just useless. |
| 22:47.03 | JohnReimer | writes |
| 22:47.05 | JustinP | lots |
| 22:47.12 | JustinP | and it's actually erases apparently |
| 22:48.43 | TCMAN_ | probably 10k to 100k times |
| 22:49.09 | TCMAN_ | but stuff like logfile can be unpredictable and can burn out some flash blocks faster |
| 22:49.32 | JohnReimer | :( |
| 22:49.34 | JohnReimer | sounds bad |
| 22:49.35 | JustinP | except that jffs2 is a smart FS and it tries to mitigate such things by writing across the entire flash |
| 22:49.42 | JustinP | (IIRC) |
| 22:49.59 | JustinP | and the MD is affected by movement...so they both have issues |
| 22:50.24 | JohnReimer | ouch |
| 22:50.26 | RP | The biggest gain is the MD is fast |
| 22:50.35 | JohnReimer | I like it so far... |
| 22:50.51 | JohnReimer | faster than ultra fast flash? |
| 22:50.59 | JohnReimer | or sd card |
| 22:51.27 | TCMAN_ | damn i need to find nand flash backup image for c3100 |
| 22:51.49 | JohnReimer | there's the japanese one to download |
| 22:51.57 | TCMAN_ | linky? |
| 22:52.11 | JohnReimer | looking |
| 22:52.41 | RP | JohnReimer: I have no idea how fast the flash cards are by comparision. The microdrive is fast enough for me :) |
| 22:53.25 | JohnReimer | http://downloads.conics.net/pda/zaurus-sl-c700/service-menus/original-backups/SL-C3100-JPN-NAND-original.zip |
| 22:53.41 | JohnReimer | RP: :) |
| 22:54.04 | TCMAN_ | great! |
| 22:54.25 | JohnReimer | I bought my 3200 from conics |
| 22:54.49 | JohnReimer | not sure if the 3100 ROM can be flashed onto it, though... I imagine it's close enough |
| 22:55.11 | JohnReimer | I think the MD size is the only difference |
| 22:55.22 | JohnReimer | anyway, time for me to go... |
| 22:55.23 | TCMAN_ | thank you |
| 22:55.28 | JohnReimer | thanks for the info, gents |
| 22:55.50 | JohnReimer | no problem... thanks education me on the root/kernel thing :D |
| 22:56.15 | JohnReimer | grr...educating |
| 22:56.16 | JohnReimer | anyway by |
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| 23:18.42 | TCMAN_ | nand restore worked and sharp rom booted up until HDD2 error message which makes sense because i dont have hdd2 ;-) |
| 23:26.25 | TCMAN_ | damn |
| 23:26.27 | TCMAN_ | same shit |
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| 23:57.47 | TCMAN_ | i think i may know whats going on |
| 23:59.02 | TCMAN_ | kernel does not detect seagate microdrive because it is not in ide_ids table |
| 23:59.04 | TCMAN_ | darn |