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| 00:16.20 | precurser | hi all |
| 00:17.12 | precurser | I've just installed various roms on my sl-6000l and finally settled on the 3.5.4 openzaurus |
| 00:17.29 | precurser | due to the wpa support |
| 00:17.48 | precurser | usn the gpe gui |
| 00:18.26 | precurser | i have been unable to get my built in wifi to be even detected |
| 00:20.05 | precurser | after spending last night reading through everything from how a kernal boots to how to edit the various conf files and there purpose |
| 00:20.49 | precurser | + reading through the limited articles and forums i was able to find i am now in a big mental jumble |
| 00:21.22 | precurser | does any one have any ideas as to were i would start |
| 00:23.24 | precurser | the kernal is the 2.4.18 rmk7-pxa3-embedix |
| 00:24.11 | precurser | clearly my linux skills are highly non existant however i will take the time to learn what i need n order to get it sorted |
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| 03:19.03 | ananke | hmm, another unhappy sl6000 user it seems |
| 03:27.59 | spattison | Looks like he needs to poke around /proc a little |
| 03:28.20 | spattison | see what his kernel thinks it sees |
| 03:28.40 | spattison | then manually execute the commands in the init scripts to see what they do |
| 03:29.04 | spattison | or at least that's how I'd go about it :) |
| 03:31.22 | ananke | today i got a hand-me-down sl6000, so i decided to try to update the existing openzaurus. i'm baffled, could the hardware be flaky, or is the software really that touchy/unstable? |
| 03:31.40 | spattison | I don't have a sl6000 |
| 03:31.42 | ananke | i had similar issues with wifi, half of the time it would not start or not stop properly |
| 03:32.03 | ananke | and everything i just read on the wiki pages, seems to indicate that other people have similar issues |
| 03:32.24 | spattison | on my collie (sl5500) once I'd get something working it'd be pretty stable |
| 03:32.25 | spattison | till |
| 03:32.33 | spattison | till I did something to break it anyway :) |
| 03:32.55 | spattison | you gotta remember though, that people don't get on a board to post that everything is working fine |
| 03:33.15 | ananke | at this point i'm just trying to get an idea of how stable it is on sl6000. it seems that no matter what i do, things break |
| 03:33.17 | spattison | all you can tell from that is what breaks, not how often :) |
| 03:33.29 | spattison | what's it doing ? |
| 03:33.30 | ananke | heck, even running dmesg hangs the terminal |
| 03:33.42 | ananke | you name it, it's doing :) |
| 03:33.43 | spattison | ok, now *that*'s odd |
| 03:34.30 | ananke | and of course, it's not doing it now. however, what i just did a few mins ago - i wiped /home/root dir, and restarted it. it seems to be working a bit better |
| 03:34.48 | ananke | i wonder if the previous owner just had so much weird settings, that caused all sorts of problems |
| 03:35.23 | spattison | I'd reflash it |
| 03:35.35 | ananke | i 'thought' i did |
| 03:35.46 | spattison | you don't know how the previous owner had stuff |
| 03:36.09 | spattison | I'd hate to try using a system someone hacked up the way I usually do them :) |
| 03:36.21 | ananke | i followed the instructions, but i'm confused. is flashing going to wipe everything, or just some things? |
| 03:36.40 | spattison | it should wipe everything internal to the Z |
| 03:36.53 | spattison | shouldn't touch any extra cards you have in the slots |
| 03:36.54 | ananke | because for example, reflashing would get me the initial opie settings screen, yet some stuff was still left over, including config files |
| 03:37.10 | spattison | where are the config files stored ? |
| 03:37.27 | ananke | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.51 | spattison | that's the trick w/ oz and the rest of the zaurus stuff they symlink the crap out of everything |
| 03:37.55 | ananke | i'm still trying to wrap my head around this pda and openzaurus |
| 03:38.16 | spattison | so you don't know where a file actually lives till you follow the chain of symlinks, sometimes it goes 4 or 5 deep |
| 03:38.49 | spattison | it took me a bit to get used to the way they did things too with all the symlinks |
| 03:39.15 | spattison | and I've got a fair amount of experience w/ various flavors of unix and linux in particular |
| 03:39.19 | ananke | what's /dev/mtdblock2? i've never seen such device |
| 03:39.49 | ananke | spattison : yeah, i've been managing linux/unix machines for over a decade now, but this is a little bit confusing |
| 03:39.51 | spattison | mtd is I believe memory technology device or something like that |
| 03:39.57 | ananke | especially when i don't know what to expect from it |
| 03:40.03 | spattison | it is the internal flash |
| 03:40.06 | spattison | yea |
| 03:40.13 | spattison | that's always a pain |
| 03:40.42 | ananke | k, so it seems they have the internal flash split into two, one for /home, and one for / |
| 03:40.50 | spattison | do you have any extra cards in it ? |
| 03:41.15 | spattison | the collie doesn't but the tosa (I think that's what the sl6000 is) could have 2 |
| 03:41.29 | ananke | i have one 1GB CF card |
| 03:41.33 | spattison | it could be 2 partitions of the same device also, I'm not sure |
| 03:41.46 | spattison | I'd pop it out till you get the hang of what's stored where |
| 03:41.50 | ananke | which i used for flashing |
| 03:42.19 | spattison | on the sl5500 cf cards have to be formatted fat16 to flash with |
| 03:42.25 | ananke | that cf card seems to be used only in /media/cf, and doesn't contain much besides what i put on it |
| 03:42.47 | ananke | seems to be the case here too |
| 03:43.15 | spattison | ok, but if you install stuff to cf it gets put there in /packages/... but there are symlinks in the main directory tree into that one |
| 03:43.34 | spattison | and that's where the confusion can start |
| 03:43.51 | ananke | yeah, i've noticed a new dir was created there, named packages |
| 03:44.15 | spattison | run a find /media/cf/packages |
| 03:44.16 | ananke | so far so good. just the initial instability was driving me nuts. i would hit 'stop' or 'start' wifi, it would be unable to do it |
| 03:44.21 | spattison | see how much stuff is in there |
| 03:44.44 | ananke | i've had the package manager die on me quite a few times, random freezes, etc |
| 03:44.52 | spattison | don't know, mine was rock solid (wifi) |
| 03:45.04 | spattison | the package manager on the other hand is a buggy piece of crap |
| 03:45.07 | ananke | nothing in there, just the ipkg info files |
| 03:45.13 | spattison | I would regard it as borderline unusable |
| 03:45.42 | ananke | is there a list of available packages, besides what the package manager shows? |
| 03:45.48 | spattison | I just do an alias ii="ipkg -d sd -v install" |
| 03:45.58 | spattison | and install everything from the command line after that |
| 03:46.01 | ananke | it's a bit hard to determine what's what, if you don't know the names |
| 03:46.09 | spattison | the command line package manager is pretty stable |
| 03:46.30 | spattison | yea, ipkg has most of the usefull capabilities of rpm |
| 03:46.37 | spattison | run ipkg --help |
| 03:46.58 | spattison | it will tell you what package a file belongs to, etc... |
| 03:47.14 | ananke | crap, gotta install less or more :) |
| 03:47.27 | spattison | I would always do an ipkg list > /tmp/pkglists |
| 03:47.46 | spattison | then I could just grep the file and not have to wait for ipkg |
| 03:47.55 | spattison | more should be built into busybox |
| 03:48.05 | ananke | it's not |
| 03:48.12 | spattison | but ipkg install less should take care of the rest |
| 03:49.12 | spattison | I believe if you type busybox w/o any parameters it will list what's compiled into it |
| 03:50.25 | spattison | what files did you put on the cf card when you flashed |
| 03:50.42 | spattison | it's possible you only replaced the bootloader and kernel and not the filesystem |
| 03:50.47 | ananke | nevermind, more was available, but i didn't realize ipkg --help would output to stderr |
| 03:50.58 | spattison | ahh |
| 03:51.13 | spattison | yea, I've gotten bit by that one a few times myself |
| 03:51.35 | ananke | i placed three files. updater.sh, zImage.bin and initrd.bin, which was a copy of the opie-tosasomethingsomething |
| 03:51.41 | spattison | the other thing you will need to use besides ipkg is ipkg-link if you want to install to your cf card |
| 03:51.58 | spattison | that's the little bugger that makes all the symlinks back into the main dir tree |
| 03:52.13 | ananke | i see |
| 03:52.35 | spattison | for all practicle purposes I always call ipkg-link add <pkgname> right after I do ipkg install <pkgname>< |
| 03:53.12 | spattison | I wonder why the developers haven't added a switch to ipkg to just exec ipkg-link when it's done |
| 03:53.22 | spattison | something like ipkg -l or something |
| 03:54.11 | spattison | but they didn't so right after I stick alias ii="ipkg -d sd -v install" into /etc/profile.d/spat |
| 03:54.28 | spattison | I add alias il="ipkg-link add" |
| 03:55.25 | ananke | when using the package manager, i noticed that you can choose where you want the packages to be installed, the default was /. now, i can't seem to find the option in ipkg to set the default location, say /media/cf/packages |
| 03:55.37 | spattison | -d cf |
| 03:55.54 | ananke | nevermind, i see it in /etc/ipkg.conf :) |
| 03:55.56 | ananke | thanks |
| 03:55.58 | spattison | the -d sd in mine is for the secure digital card |
| 03:56.19 | ananke | would changing the order in ipkg.conf affect what's default? |
| 03:56.21 | spattison | 'cause on a collie you have to keep the CF slot available for your wifi |
| 03:56.36 | spattison | don't know, I think so |
| 03:56.56 | spattison | I just use the alias and explicitly say sd everytime |
| 03:57.16 | spattison | ipkg -d sd -v install |
| 03:57.27 | spattison | the -d sd puts it on the sd card |
| 03:57.32 | spattison | -v is verbose |
| 03:57.38 | spattison | and install is the command |
| 03:57.52 | spattison | so after I have that alias set I just do ii <pkgname> |
| 03:58.35 | spattison | you could type it all out as ipkg -d sd -v install <pkgname> everytime, but I'm lazy :) |
| 03:58.45 | ananke | hehe, it's normal |
| 03:59.01 | spattison | the way I figure it all progress is made by lazy people |
| 03:59.12 | spattison | because the non lazy are content to do things the hard way |
| 03:59.23 | spattison | it's us lazy people that want to make the world easier :) |
| 04:01.28 | ananke | hmm, -v you say. is that supposed to be verbose? |
| 04:01.38 | spattison | if I remember right it is |
| 04:01.51 | ananke | it seems it would be -V. -v shows version :) |
| 04:01.53 | spattison | my collie's broken at the moment so I don't have one to check |
| 04:02.01 | spattison | ahh, yea, your right |
| 04:05.12 | spattison | but you are going to be much happier w/ ipkg than the gui package manager |
| 04:05.36 | spattison | I don't know why it's hard to make a front end for ipkg, but it seems like nobody can get it right |
| 04:06.32 | spattison | stability is just finding the right packages |
| 04:06.51 | spattison | 'cause some of the stuff in the feed seems like it's just there 'cause it would compile |
| 04:06.58 | spattison | and some of it is pretty well tested |
| 04:07.19 | ananke | i can imagine |
| 04:09.21 | ananke | where in the world do you change the default background? i've been searching for 20 mins, can't find it |
| 04:10.02 | spattison | it's inside the launcher in settings |
| 04:10.37 | spattison | there's a option to change all the tabs there and their backgrounds and icon sites, etc... |
| 04:11.06 | ananke | ahh, i thought that was for something else |
| 04:11.55 | spattison | yea, it's not named the best |
| 04:12.33 | spattison | most of that stuff just changes some files in /opt/QtPackage/apps |
| 04:13.01 | spattison | inside the directories for the tabs there's a .desktop file with the settings for each in there |
| 04:13.20 | spattison | some stuff is easier to change there than the gui |
| 04:13.42 | spattison | especially if your Z is downstairs and you are configuring it w/ ssh and vnc :) |
| 04:14.51 | ananke | it's next to me on my couch, and i'm configuring it over ssh + wifi from my laptop :) |
| 04:16.27 | ananke | one thing i've noticed is that i get some artifacts on the screen |
| 04:16.41 | ananke | most of the times they're lines, either veritical or horizontal |
| 04:18.26 | ananke | hmm, kernel 2.4.18, that's a bit dated |
| 04:25.39 | spattison | yea, but it's the one that sd support was available for |
| 04:26.28 | spattison | there's a 2.6 kernel available for some fo the zaurii but I don't know about the tosa |
| 04:29.11 | spattison | for quite a while in the dev process they were stuck w/ certain kernel versions because all the SD stuff is closed source so you have to stick with kernels that would load the binary modules someone else compiled |
| 04:30.28 | ananke | ick |
| 04:31.06 | spattison | they did pretty well considering :) |
| 04:33.58 | ananke | neat. got it connected to my imap server |
| 04:35.14 | ananke | what i don't get is why some icons in applications are very blurry/low quality, while others are just fine |
| 04:35.47 | spattison | hmm, don't know |
| 04:36.01 | spattison | look at the raw graphic for the icons |
| 04:36.28 | spattison | most of them are in /opt/...pics |
| 04:38.26 | ananke | yeah, for example mail's icons are tiny. where it uses the icons from the generic qt pool, such as trashcan, etc, those are nice and high quality |
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| 04:49.25 | darmou | hi all |
| 04:49.45 | darmou | Does anyone know if apps from the pdaxrom work with gpe openzaurus? |
| 04:52.43 | ananke | hmm, and there we go. wifi died and it won't start after poweroff |
| 04:55.31 | darmou | I found restarting helped |
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| 04:55.50 | ananke | darmou : yeah, but kinda defeats the purpose :) |
| 04:56.07 | darmou | is there an ifup ifdown script? |
| 04:56.42 | ananke | haven't tried those. the opie interface fails to stop/start/restart the wifi interfaces after that |
| 04:57.36 | darmou | has anyone got the firefox ipk to work with gpe? |
| 04:57.50 | darmou | When I launch it just quits, no error message:( |
| 05:15.23 | spattison | yea, regular ifup wlan0 (or whatever the tosa's card's name is) and ifdown should work |
| 05:15.48 | spattison | the earlier zaruii had lower res screens than the tosa |
| 05:15.56 | spattison | could account for the lower res images |
| 05:16.24 | spattison | you have about 4 times the screen realestate than us collie/poodle users |
| 05:17.01 | spattison | is the card coming out of suspend ?? |
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| 05:17.17 | spattison | cardctl is the command you want for that |
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| 05:37.19 | spattison | well, I'm flashing my collie w/ CoreDump's debug bootloader |
| 05:37.40 | spattison | as far as I can tell the CF card was fine |
| 05:45.44 | spattison | Well, it's *still* flashing... |
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| 05:59.29 | spattison | Both LED's still on |
| 05:59.52 | spattison | before this problem I've never had a flash take more than a few minutes... |
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| 06:31.38 | spattison | ok,it just started flashing both led's on and off (they have been on solid since 1:45 (when I said I started flashing it, about an hour) |
| 06:32.09 | spattison | that's gotta be the longest flash in zaurus history |
| 06:32.15 | spattison | and it's still not right... |
| 06:32.36 | spattison | but, lets see if we can get anything interesting... |
| 06:36.53 | _law_ | morning all |
| 06:53.09 | spattison | morning |
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| 08:12.04 | hrw|work | http://www.hrw.one.pl/2006/04/25/future-of-collie-in-openzaurus/ |
| 08:12.07 | hrw|work | morning |
| 08:14.07 | johnX | on the collie/small rootfs issue, I think that most people who have collies and are interested in running OZ probably own at least a small SD card |
| 08:15.20 | hrw|work | collie/OZ will req SD/MMC card soon |
| 08:15.56 | johnX | will there be a non-GUI rootfs that will fit in onboard flash? |
| 08:16.07 | hrw|work | bootstrap-image |
| 08:16.30 | webmind | hmm will there be any option available to use a cryptofs with altboot ? |
| 08:16.52 | hrw|work | webmind: if someone provide patches... |
| 08:18.57 | XorA | does anyone know if these days dm-crypt volumes are architecture idependant |
| 08:25.51 | webmind | hrw|work, hmm are there any cryptoloop modules available ? |
| 08:25.59 | webmind | or AES loop preferably |
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| 08:41.45 | XorA | hrw|work: whats the best way to get some debian packages back to their default config? |
| 08:42.01 | NA|Gone | XorA: dpkg --purge? |
| 08:42.57 | hrw|work | XorA: apt-get install --reinstall package - if config is in /etc/ then it will ask 'keep your/install default' |
| 08:43.06 | XorA | hrw|work: cheers |
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| 09:03.34 | hrw|work | hi CoreDump|home |
| 09:03.54 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: 3.5.4.1-rc1 + altboot 1.0.6 is very slow on altboot... |
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| 09:04.23 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: gpe-bootsplash does not check for /etc/bootsplash.name ;( |
| 09:05.06 | CoreDump|home | hrw|work: 1.0.6 should work fine |
| 09:05.24 | webmind | morning CoreDump|home |
| 09:06.41 | CoreDump|home | morning |
| 09:19.24 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: also 'use Alt+Leftarrow' is wrong - 'Fn+Leftarrow' has to be used on c7x0 |
| 09:19.46 | CoreDump|home | hmm right |
| 09:19.51 | CoreDump|home | must read Alt-Gr |
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| 09:30.07 | lardman|work | Morning |
| 09:30.23 | CoreDump|home | morning lardman|work |
| 09:30.27 | lardman|work | Anyone with a spitz want to let this chap know how to find his hdd: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19047&hl= |
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| 09:30.32 | lardman|work | hi CoreDump|home |
| 09:31.07 | lardman|work | Or let me know and I'll post it - as he's a new user we certainly don't want to lose him |
| 09:32.48 | CoreDump|home | lardman|work: should be /dev/hda* |
| 09:34.34 | spattison | Hey CoreDump, no luck with that image you gave me... |
| 09:34.40 | spattison | but I appreciate the help |
| 09:34.53 | CoreDump|home | spattison: :( |
| 09:35.27 | spattison | Have you heard of anyone getting at a collie with jtag ?? |
| 09:36.07 | spattison | or any of the neat hidden utilities that are in the c870's |
| 09:36.19 | CoreDump|home | nope sorry |
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| 09:37.49 | spattison | well, if I get it done I guess I'll have to write up a web page somewhere google can find it :) |
| 09:38.51 | spattison | now I've got a Z w/ a perfectly good screen and battery etc and I've got a libretto that's the exact opposite... |
| 09:39.51 | spattison | it's also wierd, it takes about an hour to flash now |
| 09:40.07 | CoreDump|home | really sounds like dead flash or dead CF card |
| 09:40.18 | spattison | then instead of the normal end it just sits there with both lights flashing |
| 09:40.28 | spattison | yea, but the CF card works fine in the PC |
| 09:40.47 | spattison | and it wasn't doing anything but sitting on a table when the Z went down |
| 09:41.03 | spattison | so it has to be the internal flash I'm afraid |
| 09:41.24 | CoreDump|home | :\ |
| 09:42.34 | spattison | is the flash part of the processor IC or is it a seperate IC on the board ?? |
| 09:43.49 | lardman|work | CoreDump|home: Okay, I added that, thanks |
| 09:45.06 | AlexTe | spattison: have you tried the service menu test tools? I think there's a tool which writes the entire flash, that might help fix it |
| 09:45.24 | AlexTe | flash is supposed to auto repair, as long as there are spare blocks |
| 09:46.23 | lardman|work | Are there service menus on the 5500? |
| 09:46.32 | CoreDump|home | yes there are |
| 09:46.39 | lardman|work | Ah! :) |
| 09:46.54 | CoreDump|home | but IIRC the "erase flash" thingy kills your bootloader, you do not want to do that.... |
| 09:47.14 | lardman|work | Sounds like something useful to add to the oz wiki.... all the 'secret' keypresses |
| 09:47.58 | CoreDump|home | lardman|work: users shouldn't _ever_ have a look at these menus. Only as a last resort |
| 09:48.32 | hrw|work | lardman|work: iirc they already are in oesf wiki somewhere |
| 09:48.38 | hrw|work | atleast for clamshells |
| 09:49.54 | lardman|work | hrw|work: oh yes |
| 09:50.06 | lardman|work | CoreDump|home: Yes, but they may be interested anyway ;) |
| 09:50.38 | CoreDump|home | some options in there brick your Z for good |
| 09:52.06 | lardman|work | CoreDump|home: Best that they are explained somewhere then, so that no-one just tries them to see |
| 09:52.40 | spattison | The only menu I know of for the collie is the D-P menu |
| 09:52.56 | spattison | and the only option it has for internal flash is to verify a checksum |
| 09:53.07 | spattison | and mine always fails |
| 09:53.34 | spattison | but I don't know what is generating the checksum so I don't know if that actually means anything |
| 09:54.18 | spattison | although at this point I've got the perfect platform to play w/ that stuff |
| 09:54.41 | spattison | it works *just* enough to see what that stuff does |
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| 09:55.31 | spattison | one thing I believe I have discovered that people will find interesting |
| 09:55.48 | spattison | you can hold q-t instead of d-c to reflash, I think |
| 09:55.59 | spattison | it's alot easier to do :) |
| 09:56.33 | spattison | I found a doc w/ a bunch of stuff for the 870's and that was mentioned there and it appears to work on my collie too |
| 10:06.10 | luke-jr_ | umpa, umpa, cyk! |
| 10:06.53 | hrw|work | I prefer d-c as I can do it with thumb |
| 10:07.20 | spattison | not my thumb |
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| 10:09.40 | spattison | Ya know, I woulda figured if I was going to break my Z it wouldn't have happened while I was falling asleep listening to mp3's |
| 10:10.06 | spattison | At least I'm not kicking myself for doing something stupid |
| 10:10.50 | spattison | gotta start saving for a new collie I think |
| 10:11.23 | spattison | unless sharp comes out with a rottie :) |
| 10:11.35 | johnX | at least the collies aren't as expensive as the newer JP only Zs |
| 10:11.36 | spattison | now *that* would have to be a Z :) |
| 10:11.44 | spattison | yea |
| 10:12.14 | spattison | still it's like watching a $100 bill blow away in the wind |
| 10:12.17 | hrw|work | johnX: but suxx much more then even older clamshells |
| 10:13.09 | johnX | the form factor (and sunlight visible screen) makes it more useful as a PDA though |
| 10:13.12 | spattison | well, I'll have plenty of accessories for my new collie, extra battery, extra power supply, .... |
| 10:13.30 | CoreDump|home | the screen on the newer Z's is soooooooo much better |
| 10:14.03 | johnX | I just wish it was visible in direct sunlight like the collie's |
| 10:14.05 | CoreDump|home | collies screen sucks bad once you can compare it to a newer model |
| 10:15.43 | spattison | anyone know how much more a poodle or tosa runs on ebay, and is it worth saving for a couple extra weeks ?? |
| 10:16.05 | CoreDump|home | meh, stay away from poodle, really |
| 10:16.12 | johnX | tosa probably runs about 7x that of a collie |
| 10:16.24 | hrw|work | spattison: tosa is overpriced, poodle is not worth a penny |
| 10:16.35 | johnX | what hrw said |
| 10:16.49 | spattison | ok, that makes it easier |
| 10:17.19 | spattison | I thought the support for the poodle was a bit lacking |
| 10:17.38 | johnX | and it's RAM is also lacking |
| 10:17.51 | spattison | not compared to the collie :) |
| 10:18.07 | johnX | poodle has 32MB of RAM |
| 10:18.10 | johnX | collie has 64MB |
| 10:18.16 | johnX | poodle has more flash though |
| 10:18.38 | spattison | really, the poodle has less ram ?? |
| 10:18.43 | johnX | yeah |
| 10:19.13 | johnX | that's why I got a collie even though the poodle was out at the time... |
| 10:20.12 | johnX | the only thing the poodle has going for it is the bigger battery... |
| 10:20.32 | spattison | I'm not worried about the battery |
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| 10:24.01 | lardman|work | don't get a corgi either if you decide to go for clamshell, as they also only have 32MB RAM |
| 10:24.23 | hrw|work | and pxa250 |
| 10:24.53 | spattison | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.08 | spattison | I'm probably not going for a clamshell though |
| 10:25.17 | luke-jr_ | pfft |
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| 10:34.07 | spattison | it looks like the tosa's are going for as much as the akita's |
| 10:34.26 | johnX | really? |
| 10:34.33 | spattison | the extra screen and stuff would be nice, but I really don't need it |
| 10:34.55 | spattison | there's not many Z's on ebay now |
| 10:35.09 | spattison | I remember when I got mine there were dozens |
| 10:35.48 | johnX | hmm...a used tosa is still going for $150 more than a new Akita w/ 12 month warranty... |
| 10:35.49 | spattison | now there's only 81 items for zaurus total, and that includes all the cables, leather cases, etc... |
| 10:37.37 | spattison | yea, some are... |
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| 10:39.36 | spattison | gotta see what they actually sell for, the price a few hours before the end doesn't mean much |
| 10:40.01 | johnX | I was going by the "buy it now" thing |
| 10:40.07 | spattison | you used to be able to search old auctions on ebay, but they changed the interface since I did that |
| 10:40.09 | johnX | I try not to deal with ebay unless I need to |
| 10:40.28 | spattison | it's got it's ups and downs |
| 10:41.08 | johnX | I guess for used Zaurii it's pretty much the only option... |
| 10:42.38 | spattison | well, I need to get some sleep |
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| 10:42.54 | spattison | it's been nice chatting w/ you guys |
| 10:43.18 | johnX | 'night |
| 10:43.28 | lardman|work | bye chaps |
| 10:44.14 | AlexTe | spattison the full flash erase is in the "extra" menu, not sure the 5500 has it though |
| 10:45.03 | AlexTe | you should have read, write, read&write and full erase |
| 10:45.12 | AlexTe | oh well good night |
| 10:49.45 | lardman|work | Does giac build these days? |
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| 10:50.59 | hrw|work | giac is that big memory eater stuff? |
| 10:51.54 | CoreDump|home | iirc yes |
| 10:52.07 | CoreDump|home | got bitten by it?=) |
| 11:23.11 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: if it is not in 3.5.4 and someone will request it then I will talk with koen before start build ;) |
| 11:23.27 | CoreDump|home | hehe |
| 11:23.53 | hrw|work | hopefully ewi has 2+2G ram |
| 11:24.19 | CoreDump|home | I built it w/ 2G in the past |
| 11:24.34 | hrw|work | I built it on 1G |
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| 11:25.00 | CoreDump|home | ~curse irda |
| 11:25.01 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, irda ! |
| 11:25.26 | hrw|work | irda... have ir keyboard at home to get working... |
| 11:25.44 | hrw|work | and ir(da) knowledge |
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| 12:19.14 | lardman|work | hrw|work: you mean it eats memory as it builds? |
| 12:19.29 | lardman|work | hrw|work: yes, unless you patch it to stop it from trying to optimise |
| 12:19.39 | lardman|work | hrw|work: like so: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98 |
| 12:20.37 | lardman|work | I was just wondering whether it'd been patched by renoo, as he obviously wasn't impressed with my attempt ;) |
| 12:21.03 | hrw|work | looks like noone looked into this |
| 12:21.14 | lardman|work | I did, and I patched it so it built |
| 12:22.00 | hrw|work | into bug closing I meant |
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| 12:22.09 | lardman|work | ah |
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| 12:42.24 | magnet__ | hrw|work: you're around ? |
| 12:42.56 | hrw|work | yep |
| 12:43.12 | magnet__ | I wished to ask you some questions about those CF vga cards. |
| 12:43.24 | magnet__ | few people had one to play with. |
| 12:43.49 | hrw|work | magnet__: I have recipes for its kernel module but 2.4 only |
| 12:43.54 | lardman|work | lol, just saw this thread: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18963&st=30 |
| 12:44.03 | hrw|work | also wrote one tool for it (without having such card) |
| 12:44.09 | magnet__ | hrw|work: for wich card ? |
| 12:44.30 | hrw|work | cfxga from io-data |
| 12:44.43 | magnet__ | I saw this one had some Xserver working. |
| 12:45.00 | magnet__ | instead of the basic mirroring tool. |
| 12:45.11 | magnet__ | but it does only 640x480 right ? |
| 12:46.04 | hrw|work | it can iirc 800x600 |
| 12:47.09 | magnet__ | that would be wonderfull |
| 12:47.18 | magnet__ | I could try to port drivers to 2.6 |
| 12:48.23 | hrw|work | http://www.iodata.com/usa/support/downloads/LinuxSource0708.zip |
| 12:48.33 | hrw|work | contain driver source |
| 12:49.43 | magnet__ | woot |
| 12:50.03 | magnet__ | let's see if there is a french iodata reseller. |
| 12:50.44 | hrw|work | trisoft.de has few probably |
| 12:50.55 | hrw|work | cfxga card is not produced anymore |
| 12:51.10 | hrw|work | trisoft got rest of cards and they are 199EUR each |
| 12:51.23 | magnet__ | okay |
| 12:51.33 | magnet__ | thanks for all those infos. |
| 12:52.23 | hrw|work | np. |
| 12:52.48 | lardman|work | hrw|work: regarding that thread, what do you think the reason is for pdaX not wanting to collaborate? |
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| 12:54.23 | hrw|work | pdaX is stricte zaurus thinking |
| 12:54.34 | lardman|work | but that's no reason why they shouldn't work from OE |
| 12:54.41 | hrw|work | OE need wider thinking - zaurus machines are only part of OE |
| 12:55.05 | lardman|work | of course, but if they were working in OE, then people would benefit, probably |
| 12:55.47 | lardman|work | I'm tempted to add to that thread the fact that pdaX is run by sash and that's it - if he were to lose interest/not have enough money, then their development would stop |
| 12:56.20 | lardman|work | But perhaps that's the reason he doesn't want to join - either the money (which can't be much) or the kudos of doing it 'all' himself.... I don;'t know |
| 12:58.29 | hrw|work | OE team is more strict when it comes to addons |
| 12:58.44 | lardman|work | Yes, that is true |
| 12:59.02 | lardman|work | Perhaps there's no solution to the issue |
| 12:59.06 | lardman|work | Nevertheless, it;s a shame the community remains fragmented, and bickering |
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| 13:15.33 | hrw|work | I think that we will have pdax and OZ/angstrom split forever |
| 13:16.05 | hrw|work | maybe when sash go to brasil to work then pdax will get stopped for some time |
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| 13:33.22 | hrw|work | someone has spare serial cable or aircable? |
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| 16:06.17 | lardman|work | hrw|gone: not sure if you'll see this, but your second lot of experimental images are now even larger - 28Mb for opie-image rootfs and 26Mb for gpe-image rootfs. I doubt this will fit my shepherd. |
| 16:06.34 | lardman|work | hrw|gone: curiously the .tar.gz is smaller then the .img |
| 16:14.25 | hrw | lardman|work: summary made them too large ;( |
| 16:26.39 | lardman|work | hrw: ah, right |
| 16:27.04 | hrw | I will provide normal and summary ones then probably |
| 16:27.12 | hrw | have to rebuild all anyway |
| 16:27.17 | lardman|work | what's summary then? |
| 16:28.07 | lardman|work | I'll flash the Angstrom image in the meantime |
| 16:31.50 | hrw | summary makes mounting jffs2 faster |
| 16:32.44 | lardman|work | I see |
| 16:32.49 | lardman|work | is that necessary? |
| 16:33.01 | lardman|work | as mounting only takes place at boot time? |
| 16:33.02 | hrw | no |
| 16:33.26 | hrw | boot time is long on c760/860/akita |
| 16:33.39 | hrw | much more flash to mount |
| 16:33.50 | lardman|work | Yes, but is that down to jffs2, or did you add that to shave some time off? |
| 16:33.55 | lardman|work | How much faster is it? |
| 16:34.08 | hrw | have to check one day eactly |
| 16:34.24 | lardman|work | does it have any other advantages? |
| 16:35.09 | hrw | no |
| 16:35.31 | lardman|work | I found an explanation: http://www.inf.u-szeged.hu/jffs2/jffs2-anal/node21.html |
| 16:37.12 | lardman|work | Just means that people will have less flash to play with I suppose - I don't know whether they'll be happier with that or more + slower...? |
| 16:37.54 | lardman|work | Have you looked at CS? |
| 16:37.58 | lardman|work | http://www.inf.u-szeged.hu/jffs2/mount.php |
| 16:38.02 | hrw | 2cs? |
| 16:38.19 | lardman|work | Centralized (sic) Summary |
| 16:39.57 | hrw | ok - too experimental |
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| 16:41.06 | YoG | hi I need a little help with the sharp-compat-libs |
| 16:42.40 | lardman|work | hello YoG, ask hrw what he thinks |
| 16:43.03 | YoG | hi lardman, thats the idea |
| 16:43.22 | lardman|work | just thought I'd let hrw know he's in for it ;) |
| 16:43.45 | YoG | yeah I suppose I should have directed the question to him... |
| 16:44.01 | YoG | hi hrw |
| 16:47.25 | hrw | sharp-compat-libs are not expected to work with OZ 3.5.1 and higher |
| 16:47.35 | hrw | and are totally UNSUPPORTED |
| 16:47.40 | hrw | . |
| 16:47.47 | YoG | :( |
| 16:47.51 | lardman|work | is there a reson they won't work? |
| 16:48.01 | hrw | hardfloat<>softfloat |
| 16:48.08 | lardman|work | YoG's problem was to do with an undefined symbol error in libopiecore2 |
| 16:49.14 | lardman|work | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23openzaurus/20060424.html.gz to be exact |
| 16:49.50 | lardman|work | 16:34.35 onwards |
| 16:50.04 | hrw | compat libs started on OZ application? |
| 16:50.25 | lardman|work | No, the oz version doesn't work for some reason |
| 16:50.35 | lardman|work | YoG: you want to answer here rather than me? |
| 16:50.46 | YoG | it worked with the 3.5.3 just fine... |
| 16:51.24 | YoG | why does it appears in the feed, if its unsupported? |
| 16:51.35 | lardman|work | Which version used to work? One from OZ or another? |
| 16:51.45 | lardman|work | hrw only added it for 3.5.4 afaics |
| 16:51.50 | YoG | yes, the official 3.5.3 |
| 16:52.06 | lardman|work | openttd - was it from the oz feed? |
| 16:52.18 | YoG | afaics=? |
| 16:52.29 | lardman|work | as far as I can see - might not be standard |
| 16:52.51 | hrw | ~afaik |
| 16:52.53 | ibot | afaik is, like, some kind of acronym...but nobody knows what it means, as far as I know. |
| 16:52.53 | lardman|work | afaict is standard I guess => s/see/tell |
| 16:53.21 | hrw | openttd in OZ is broken iirc |
| 16:53.34 | YoG | exactly |
| 16:53.58 | YoG | I managed to run openttd from thier (openttd) site with the compat libs on 3.5.3 |
| 16:54.27 | YoG | but not with 3.5.4, actually, I don't manage to run anything with the sharp libs now |
| 16:55.14 | hrw | libsdl changed |
| 16:55.54 | YoG | I don't really knows what it means, but can it be ammended? |
| 16:56.24 | hrw | ammended? |
| 16:56.29 | YoG | fixed? |
| 16:56.34 | hrw | it is fixed |
| 16:56.49 | YoG | but... the sharp-libs doesn't work |
| 16:56.51 | lardman|work | so there's no way for the compat libs to work with it now? |
| 16:56.52 | hrw | libsdl-qpe suxx less now |
| 16:57.14 | hrw | YoG: do I have to say what Ithink about using sharp-compat-libs? |
| 16:57.33 | lardman|work | lol |
| 16:58.28 | lardman|work | YoG: The answer is probably to fix openttd. |
| 16:58.40 | YoG | so if i want openttd to work with oz I have to recompile it? |
| 16:58.52 | hrw | I know that OZ is not perfect. we have too much packages |
| 16:59.18 | hrw | users complain that ipkg is slow... it has to be slow when it has so big amoutn of packages to maintain |
| 16:59.38 | lardman|work | hrw: yes, I think I clarified that point in that thread |
| 17:00.09 | lardman|work | OZ doesn't seem to have many developers who play (and therefore port) these games |
| 17:00.29 | hrw | openttd is on step "it builds" |
| 17:00.57 | lardman|work | From YoG's error message, it was simply missing a file, or am I wrong there YoG? |
| 17:01.14 | YoG | I think your wrong, |
| 17:01.31 | hrw | anything using SDL will not work with shapr-compat-crap |
| 17:01.33 | YoG | it complains that it doesn't find a symbol in libopiecore2 |
| 17:01.47 | lardman|work | YoG: No, not that version, the one from the feed |
| 17:01.55 | hrw | openttd/sharp use libsdl/oz which use libopiecore/oz |
| 17:01.59 | hrw | it CANNOT work |
| 17:02.10 | hrw | it will NEVER work |
| 17:02.25 | YoG | openttd for the oz feed said something about labguage files |
| 17:02.42 | lardman|work | YoG: That is probably an easy fix |
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| 17:03.16 | hrw | YoG: openttd REQ files from ORIGINAL game |
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| 17:03.22 | YoG | it looks like some configuration error, but It seems that nobody knows this package... |
| 17:03.26 | YoG | yes I know |
| 17:03.34 | YoG | hrw: yes I know |
| 17:03.35 | lardman|work | YoG: Take a look and see what's in the pdaX version of openttd, and see what it has |
| 17:03.37 | hrw | YoG: did you copied them? |
| 17:03.56 | YoG | hrw: of course... |
| 17:04.06 | bronson | It was a milestone day yesterday. |
| 17:04.12 | bronson | First piece of spam hit the OZ wiki. :) |
| 17:04.14 | lardman|work | YoG: sample.cat? |
| 17:04.16 | hrw | bronson: ;) |
| 17:04.18 | lardman|work | bronson: hey |
| 17:04.20 | CoreDump|work | re |
| 17:04.22 | YoG | hrw: as i said earlier, I managed to run openttd before |
| 17:04.27 | hrw | ok |
| 17:04.50 | YoG | lardman: it complained about the sample.cat, yes |
| 17:04.58 | lardman|work | YoG: hrw has explained that the compat libs changed (indirectly) between 3.5.3 and 3.5.4 |
| 17:05.14 | lardman|work | YoG: therefore your only option is to get the version from the feed working |
| 17:05.15 | hrw | lardman|work: they did NOT change - libsdl/qpe changed |
| 17:05.30 | lardman|work | hrw: I know, just trying to make the logic simple |
| 17:05.51 | YoG | lardman: it's ok, I understood it |
| 17:07.36 | YoG | lets assume I want to compile it (openttd) for 3.5.4, how hard should it be? |
| 17:08.16 | lardman|work | YoG: I'm not sure that it's a case of needing to re-compile it, just work out why it's complaining - which may simply be a missing file, etc. |
| 17:08.36 | hrw | I planned 3.5.4.2 for 2.4 powered during may - it will not happen |
| 17:08.51 | lardman|work | YoG: As it's already been compiled for 3.5.4 and is in the upgrades feed afaik |
| 17:09.05 | lardman|work | hrw: why not? |
| 17:09.12 | YoG | lardman: it's in the base feed. |
| 17:09.22 | hrw | lardman|work: too much time used for 3.5.4.1 |
| 17:09.26 | hrw | I need rest |
| 17:09.35 | lardman|work | hrw: fair enough, don't blame you :) |
| 17:10.08 | YoG | lardman: I guess I could try searching the code (openttd), where can I find it? |
| 17:10.18 | hrw | lardman|work: and I do not want to fight with collie |
| 17:10.39 | lardman|work | YoG: google |
| 17:11.00 | YoG | doh |
| 17:11.09 | lardman|work | YoG: I'd also compare the files that come in the pdaX and OZ ipks, to see whether the OZ one has something missing or in the wrong location, etc. |
| 17:11.35 | YoG | lardman: ok. |
| 17:11.57 | hrw | and to check how much from original game is added in pdax? |
| 17:12.12 | lardman|work | exactly |
| 17:13.32 | lardman|work | YoG: Was that error in a window, or on the terminal? |
| 17:13.45 | YoG | lardman: terminal |
| 17:14.14 | YoG | lardman: maybe it wont start, because of the sdl-qte thingy hrw mentioned... |
| 17:14.29 | YoG | lardman: even if i fix this error |
| 17:14.34 | lardman|work | YoG: No, that's nothing to do with the version from the feed |
| 17:15.22 | lardman|work | YoG: Presumably you have a sample.cat file in the data directory? |
| 17:15.41 | YoG | lardman: yes, and also a bunch of grf files |
| 17:16.24 | lardman|work | YoG: 6 files in total? |
| 17:17.07 | YoG | lardman: exactly |
| 17:17.22 | lardman|work | http://www.tt-forums.net/archive/o_t__t_13484__can-t-run-nightly-build.html |
| 17:17.38 | lardman|work | might be worth a look at their bugtracker to see if this is the bug the above thread talks about |
| 17:17.47 | lardman|work | if so, it will need to be recompiled |
| 17:18.54 | lardman|work | YoG: It doesn't use the current directory as a base or anything silly like that does it? |
| 17:19.19 | lardman|work | nah, ignore that |
| 17:19.24 | YoG | lardman: ok |
| 17:29.38 | YoG | lardman: I didn't find a bug for it. But the guy from that forum said that compiling a newer version fixed the problem. |
| 17:32.31 | lardman|work | YoG: In which case you'll have to have a look at the .bb and see how complex the build process is. Assuming it's simple, you could ask someone if they'll try with a build with a later version |
| 17:33.28 | lardman|work | Right home time, night all |
| 17:35.26 | hrw | 0.4.7 does not build as easy as feed one |
| 17:39.50 | hrw | someone here use mileage on VGA zaurus? |
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| 18:39.03 | prh_ | hmm - is it known that the ctrl button either (randomly) does delete or cursor left in console in opie on 3.5.4.1 on a c3100 |
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| 18:56.26 | YoG | hi guys, where is the openzaurus bugtracker? is it the oe bugtracker? |
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| 21:26.50 | infinite- | hey |
| 21:30.18 | infinite- | anyone knows what sd cards work with the newest versio nwith 2.6 kernel? |
| 21:30.22 | infinite- | kingston 512 wont |
| 21:34.33 | YoG | i have kingston 1GB |
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| 21:48.45 | TCMAN | hey |
| 21:49.21 | TCMAN | how do i flash rc1 update without nuking my rootfs? just kernel and modules? is it possible to flash kernel from the userland somehow? |
| 21:59.20 | CoreDump|home | re |
| 22:00.10 | CoreDump|home | TCMAN: flashing a new kernel (just zImage.bin) won't touch your rootfs. |
| 22:05.39 | prh_ | hmm |
| 22:06.08 | prh_ | weird. been using opie for a couple of weeks - and for the first time actually figured it is useabl. |
| 22:10.55 | TCMAN | yeah i just tried it |
| 22:11.18 | TCMAN | too bad it didnt uncompress modules automatically, i did it by hand after reboot |
| 22:11.33 | TCMAN | so far it works, now update and upgrade |
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| 22:18.12 | infinite- | YoG.. looks like the older version (still 2.6) will work with the sd.. |
| 22:18.15 | TCMAN | btw, the gui package manager, what does it doe except displaying list of packages and enterya |
| 22:18.21 | TCMAN | entertaining errors? |
| 22:34.45 | TCMAN | damn it, usb mouse still does not work |
| 22:34.49 | TCMAN | brb |
| 22:35.51 | CoreDump|home | anyone here w/ a c7x0 or cxx00 running kernel 2.6? |
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| 22:38.43 | CoreDump|home | doesn't look like it :\ |
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| 22:40.58 | YoG | hi coredump |
| 22:41.01 | YoG | i am |
| 22:42.43 | CoreDump|home | great :) Could you do me a favor and pastebin the output of "grep "/etc/modutils/" /usr/lib/ipkg/info/*.list" for me? |
| 22:43.02 | YoG | pastebin? |
| 22:43.29 | CoreDump|home | ~pastebin |
| 22:43.31 | ibot | pastebin is, like, a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/, or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or for #oe use http://oe.pastebin.com |
| 22:44.44 | YoG | and you want mr to do what exactly? |
| 22:45.55 | CoreDump|home | just run the command "/etc/modutils/" /usr/lib/ipkg/info/*.list" on your Z. It will print out all packages which place files in /etc/modutils |
| 22:47.19 | CoreDump|home | meh, there's a "grep" in front of that |
| 22:47.26 | CoreDump|home | ~lart copy'n paste |
| 22:47.55 | YoG | ok |
| 22:47.58 | YoG | just a sec |
| 22:49.58 | YoG | ok what now/ |
| 22:50.01 | YoG | what now? |
| 22:50.17 | YoG | (it's in pastebin.com) |
| 22:50.35 | YoG | http://pastebin.com/681968 |
| 22:51.37 | CoreDump|home | YoG: thanks! |
| 22:54.52 | YoG | your welcome |
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| 23:17.40 | prh_ | anyone tried porting http://www.timwentford.uklinux.net/keypebble.tar.gz (newer keypebble) to opie? |
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| 23:27.30 | TCMAN | what do I need to do to enable mouse support in xserver? |
| 23:27.51 | TCMAN | the mouse is powered, there is /dev/input/mice device |
| 23:28.59 | TCMAN | if I add -mouse /dev/input/mice it says selected device is not a touchscreen i can understand |
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