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| 05:31.45 | StarKruzr | hey CoreDump, you around? |
| 05:42.37 | StarKruzr | not that anyone cares, but my Z is all fixed! :) |
| 05:43.10 | punk-ass | i care |
| 05:43.15 | punk-ass | :) |
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| 06:30.48 | StarKruzr | so when I remove opie-bluetooth-applet from my Z, why is it still there in my system tray |
| 06:30.51 | StarKruzr | ? |
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| 09:24.59 | XorA | hey kruzr_Zaurus |
| 09:25.05 | kruzr_Zaurus | :) |
| 09:25.28 | kruzr_Zaurus | so. the transports are their own packages? |
| 09:25.40 | XorA | kruzr_Zaurus: if I recall correctly yes |
| 09:25.45 | kruzr_Zaurus | hm |
| 09:25.49 | XorA | libgaim-blah.ipk |
| 09:25.59 | kruzr_Zaurus | really! |
| 09:26.06 | kruzr_Zaurus | ok |
| 09:26.16 | kruzr_Zaurus | let's see |
| 09:27.26 | kruzr_Zaurus | I can't believe how fast my Collie is with a full 64MB of RAM available for execution rather than ramdisk |
| 09:27.51 | XorA | kruzr_Zaurus: the collie is a cool machine apart from its / size of 16MB which is currently causing dev headaches |
| 09:29.18 | kruzr_Zaurus | I remember using oz back with 3.2 and that wasn't TOO much of a problem |
| 09:30.04 | kruzr_Zaurus | what really needs to be made clear to users is that migrating root to SD is non-optional on this platform |
| 09:30.12 | XorA | kruzr_Zaurus: more features = more flash = more packages not in image :-( |
| 09:30.26 | kruzr_Zaurus | indeed |
| 09:31.31 | kruzr_Zaurus | even on a 206MHz SA though, it's as snappy as when I got it |
| 09:31.45 | kruzr_Zaurus | the devs are to be commended for that at least |
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| 09:33.19 | kruzr_Zaurus | of course, compared to a PXA-* it's molasses, but that's to be expected |
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| 09:37.16 | Kruzr|Zaurus | awesome. |
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| 09:39.41 | hrw | 3A |
| 09:39.43 | hrw | morning |
| 09:39.47 | XorA | hey hrw |
| 09:40.10 | hrw | its good not to have |work in nick ;) |
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| 11:19.08 | XorA | hrw: whats the magic in debian to make zaurus usb0 interface come up on hotplug? |
| 11:19.20 | hrw | I lost that magin in my debian |
| 11:19.27 | hrw | http://openzaurus.berlios.de/ReleaseNotes/Oz3541 |
| 11:19.33 | hrw | someone want to help? |
| 11:24.30 | webmind | XorA, I got it in ubuntu |
| 11:24.45 | webmind | XorA, you make an entry in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:24.59 | XorA | webmind: hotplug mapping script stuff? |
| 11:25.29 | webmind | auto usb0 |
| 11:25.29 | webmind | iface usb0 inet static |
| 11:25.29 | webmind | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:25.30 | webmind | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:25.30 | webmind | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:25.32 | webmind | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:25.34 | webmind | is what I got |
| 11:25.43 | webmind | XorA, generic stuff |
| 11:25.51 | hrw | I use pointopoint for usb0 |
| 11:26.00 | webmind | and ? |
| 11:26.27 | webmind | uhm |
| 11:26.28 | webmind | huh? |
| 11:26.34 | XorA | webmind: that doesnt hotplug though |
| 11:26.35 | webmind | hrw, how do you mean point to point ? |
| 11:26.40 | webmind | XorA, does with me ? |
| 11:26.50 | XorA | not on debian etch :-( |
| 11:26.53 | webmind | odd |
| 11:27.05 | NAbyss | webmind: usbnet is point-to-point, not a routed subnet.. |
| 11:27.10 | hrw | ifconfig usb0 10.0.2.2 pointopoint 10.0.2.1 (z), 10.0.2.1 ptp .2 (desktop) |
| 11:27.11 | webmind | on dapper drake it works.. I plug my dev in my cradle, and I got a link |
| 11:27.20 | webmind | NAbyss, huh ? |
| 11:27.25 | webmind | NAbyss, that's not how I use it |
| 11:27.39 | NAbyss | webmind: hm, I'm guessing that's how hrw uses it |
| 11:27.45 | webmind | ah |
| 11:27.52 | webmind | what's the use of that then ? |
| 11:28.13 | NAbyss | Talking between the Z and the host machine for syncing PIM stuff, I guess |
| 11:28.15 | webmind | XorA, but uhm etch doesn't use hotplug anymore does it ? |
| 11:28.38 | webmind | NAbyss, but I wonder what's the advantage of ptp vs normal routed ? |
| 11:29.14 | NAbyss | webmind: There is no advantage, IMHO |
| 11:29.25 | XorA | webmind: but udev should replace its functionality |
| 11:29.26 | webmind | ok |
| 11:29.30 | webmind | XorA, yes |
| 11:29.33 | webmind | which works |
| 11:29.37 | webmind | atleast here |
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| 11:43.26 | hrw | XorA: shutup ;) |
| 11:43.43 | hrw | I'm doing build on my plain x86 box |
| 11:51.08 | XorA | ahah, found the right article finally |
| 11:51.12 | XorA | allow-hotplug usb0 |
| 11:51.16 | XorA | needs to be added now |
| 11:56.54 | XorA | +1 to linux over windows, linux can recover from device overcurrent errors in usb hubs |
| 11:57.10 | hrw | cu |
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| 12:34.35 | Eyecon | hi all |
| 12:34.47 | Eyecon | what version of qt is open zaurus using? qt 2.x ? |
| 12:35.28 | Eyecon | basically I'm trying to figure out what tool chain I need in order to create an app for open zaurus/opie |
| 12:36.52 | XorA | Eyecon: qte-2.3.10 if I recall |
| 12:40.31 | Eyecon | hmmm |
| 12:40.55 | Eyecon | so I need to find a qte 2.x version of "designer" etc from trolltech's website? |
| 12:41.01 | Eyecon | or are those things elsewhere too? |
| 12:41.23 | Eyecon | I see that ubuntu has a package: qt3-dev-tools-embedded |
| 12:41.32 | Eyecon | but I assume that's no good if it's qt3 based? |
| 12:42.33 | Eyecon | or are all the tools included with the open zaurus (or open embedded?) source? |
| 12:42.55 | Eyecon | sorry, I'm getting a bit lost with this, even though I have created a qtopia application in the past :) |
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| 13:25.06 | XorA | Eyecon: Im afraid I work on GPE/X11 stuff |
| 13:25.17 | XorA | Eyecon: apologies for losing you there was busy at work |
| 13:26.19 | Eyecon | XorA: no worries, thanks for your help anyway; I found a 2.2.x sdk on trolltech's site so I suppose I'll give that a go failing other alternatives |
| 13:28.41 | XorA | Eyecon: if you look at familiar site, they might have an opie SDK, I think OE was fixed to be able to make one |
| 13:28.42 | Eyecon | ah ok, I'll take a look at that thanks |
| 13:29.27 | XorA | I normally use OE to build stuff, but I know if you are developing an app that can be a bit heavyweight |
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| 14:56.46 | CoreDump|afk | StarKruzr: That's good to hear ;) |
| 14:56.59 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 15:21.54 | YoG | hi, can someone help me crosscompile openttd? (I need some direction regarding crosscompiling in general) |
| 15:22.33 | CoreDump|home | wasn't there a thread at oesf.org about that? |
| 15:23.47 | YoG | about cross compiling for oz? |
| 15:23.58 | CoreDump|home | about using it on OZ |
| 15:24.14 | CoreDump|home | don't remember details but it might even be in the (upgrade) feed |
| 15:24.28 | YoG | using openttd? |
| 15:25.06 | CoreDump|home | openttd on OZ, yes |
| 15:25.48 | YoG | I'd like to crosscompile the new version, and in the process learn about crosscompiling, and linux in general... |
| 15:26.51 | YoG | btw, yes I opend a thread regarding some bug that was in the openttd from the feed, it was fixed (thanks hrw). |
| 15:26.52 | CoreDump|home | openttd_0.4.0.bb <- that's the version available |
| 15:27.06 | CoreDump|home | ah ok |
| 15:27.30 | YoG | yes, that the version in the feed, but I have the source from openttd hebsite for 0.4.7 and like to crosscompile it... |
| 15:27.39 | YoG | (website) |
| 15:28.16 | YoG | do you know something about crosscompiling? |
| 15:29.05 | CoreDump|home | not much no |
| 15:29.11 | YoG | ah |
| 15:29.38 | CoreDump|home | lets see if .7 compiles with .0 patches |
| 15:31.39 | CoreDump|home | NOTE: package openttd-0.4.7-r1: task do_compile: started |
| 15:31.40 | YoG | I think hrw said that .0 was the newest that was compiled without problems... |
| 15:32.38 | CoreDump|home | NOTE: package openttd-0.4.7-r1: task do_compile: failed |
| 15:32.53 | YoG | yes... but you compiling it kinda takes out the sting, I'd like to know how to crosscompile myself... |
| 15:34.03 | YoG | I don't know how to define the Makefile so it'll search for the oz libs and not the local ones... thats my problem... |
| 15:34.04 | CoreDump|home | for OZ we use the bitbake tool with the openembedded meta-data |
| 15:34.21 | CoreDump|home | it resolves dependencies and such |
| 15:34.29 | YoG | the bitbake? |
| 15:34.35 | CoreDump|home | http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted |
| 15:34.45 | CoreDump|home | together with OE's meta-data, yes |
| 15:36.00 | YoG | well... yesterday hrw said that the SDK is enough, but I'll look into that howto... thanx |
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| 15:47.23 | YoG | will bitbake also allow me to compile for opie? |
| 16:05.51 | YoG | hi hrw |
| 16:06.21 | hrw | hi YoG |
| 16:07.04 | YoG | I'm still trying to crosscompile openttd... I'm installing bitbake according to CoreDumps suggestion... but... |
| 16:08.15 | YoG | I managed to tell the make to use the crosscompiler, but i don't know how to direct it to the oz libs (instead of the host libs) |
| 16:09.06 | hrw | you give paths for configure not for make |
| 16:09.40 | YoG | I dont have configure... they also mentioned it in the openttd chanel... |
| 16:11.05 | YoG | I do make -CC_TARGET=arm-linux-gcc for the crosscompilation, but then it goes to the libs in "/usr/lib"... :( |
| 16:14.07 | hrw | will look at r4651 nightly |
| 16:14.22 | YoG | ? |
| 16:14.32 | YoG | what's r4651? |
| 16:14.46 | YoG | wrong channel? |
| 16:15.03 | hrw | openttd 0.4.7-r4651 nigthly |
| 16:15.17 | raduga | hrm. |
| 16:15.29 | raduga | anyone here use freeciv? |
| 16:15.36 | YoG | no |
| 16:16.05 | raduga | all the builds I've seen distributed of freeciv are for the X client |
| 16:16.12 | YoG | hrw: no no, I want to do the cross compile, I'll never learn anything if you'll do everything... |
| 16:16.18 | hrw | raduga: freeciv use gtk2 iirc |
| 16:16.24 | raduga | but the SDL client (resurrected with 2.1) is much, much more useable on zaurus |
| 16:16.34 | raduga | hrw: if it interests you, try SDL :) |
| 16:16.41 | hrw | raduga: feel free to add it into OE :) |
| 16:16.56 | raduga | hrw: i plan to. |
| 16:17.10 | raduga | hrw: there are a few remaining issues, though |
| 16:17.33 | raduga | the tileset/modpack needed for SDL is... not really GPL, and its license is kinda murky |
| 16:17.44 | raduga | some of the graphics were possibly stolen without permission |
| 16:18.09 | hrw | fsck |
| 16:18.27 | YoG | do the same trick as they did in openttd... |
| 16:18.28 | raduga | so, after install, a user would have to (for now) to to the freeciv web site, and download it separately |
| 16:18.32 | hrw | np: The Bloodhound Gang - I'm The Least You Could Do (0:52 / 0:00) |
| 16:18.35 | raduga | yog: what is that? |
| 16:18.51 | YoG | something similar to what you said... |
| 16:19.04 | YoG | you have to get some files from the original... |
| 16:19.18 | raduga | the trouble is, its not graphics stolen from any one game |
| 16:19.23 | raduga | but from about 5 or 6 games |
| 16:19.31 | raduga | some of them GPL, probably, some of them unknown |
| 16:19.38 | raduga | the person who built it wasn't paying attention |
| 16:19.43 | raduga | and didn't seem to care |
| 16:19.59 | YoG | anyway, if you direct the user to the website, you can keep it GPL no? |
| 16:20.50 | raduga | oh, the base freeciv code is all GPL (of course) |
| 16:21.15 | raduga | and there should be a replacement (fixed) themeset for SDL... eventually |
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| 16:21.51 | raduga | but anyway, it defaults to 640x480 (gtk2 defaults to 1024x768, and can only be shrunk down to 800x600 or so) |
| 16:22.58 | raduga | hrw: the SDL client still requires X, unfortunately. afaict its not really necessary, the code should be able to be cleaned up to make it work in QT/SDL or console SDL, |
| 16:23.22 | raduga | but it defintely is going to take someone with some patience to work on it |
| 16:28.12 | hrw | probably |
| 16:28.37 | hrw | and when I saw freeciv on 800x600 and compared to 1152x864... I do not want to see 640x480 |
| 16:28.48 | hrw | it will be post stamp size... |
| 16:45.46 | YoG | gotta go, bye guys... |
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| 16:46.50 | hrw | cu yog |
| 16:50.00 | raduga | hrw: with the SDL theme, and icons and tiles and widgets, its definitely playable (on VGA zauruses) |
| 16:50.31 | raduga | playable, and nice. (its just a little small... but if you've ever used a zaurus you probably should be used to that by now) |
| 16:51.18 | raduga | the tile size is... about as uncomfortable small as a Z keyboard feels, to type on ;) some would hate it, some would find it perfect |
| 16:55.51 | hrw | freeciv builds out-of-box |
| 16:56.24 | raduga | yes, it does |
| 16:58.10 | raduga | hrw: oh, also, i want to make a recipe for it to patch the keyboard code (to map keys away from PC-101, that zaurii don't have) |
| 16:58.24 | raduga | hrw: but builds out of the box, yes. plays, too. |
| 16:59.35 | raduga | SDL client is missing some things though; (like a good interface for starting a new game) |
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| 17:00.07 | raduga | hrw: for now, better probably to build both SDL and GTK clients, and the server. |
| 17:00.16 | raduga | i use GTK to start a new game (then save) |
| 17:00.23 | raduga | then switch to SDL to actually play it |
| 17:00.25 | hrw | ;) |
| 17:01.38 | raduga | i would guess it would work just as well in X/QT as in GPE |
| 17:02.01 | CoreDump|home | hah, pop-volatiles cache + rcNG for rcS bring boot time down 24s |
| 17:02.05 | raduga | the graphics code isn't optimized; most of the lag seems to be CPU bound more than video |
| 17:03.24 | hrw | CoreDump|home: binary locales will land in .oz354x on days |
| 17:03.36 | CoreDump|home | yay! |
| 17:03.46 | hrw | CoreDump|home: doing first build now |
| 17:03.47 | CoreDump|home | no more OOM killing on configure? |
| 17:04.00 | raduga | binary means, "only two locales", right?? |
| 17:04.09 | raduga | 1/0 |
| 17:04.40 | hrw | http://openzaurus.berlios.de/ReleaseNotes/Oz3541 - anyone want to help? |
| 17:04.40 | hrw | CoreDump|home: yep |
| 17:04.48 | CoreDump|home | excellent |
| 17:05.46 | CoreDump|home | shouldn't that be on OZ.org? |
| 17:05.50 | hrw | CoreDump|home: releasenotes? |
| 17:05.55 | CoreDump|home | yeah |
| 17:06.11 | hrw | CoreDump|home: on wiki maybe someone will help to write it. |
| 17:06.17 | CoreDump|home | ahh right |
| 17:07.00 | hrw | ~curse oesf |
| 17:07.01 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, oesf ! |
| 17:07.16 | hrw | hmm.. have to move to other offensive |
| 17:07.26 | hrw | ibot: what you know other then curse? |
| 17:08.47 | CoreDump|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.05 | hrw | heh.. I remember days when on #amisia (Polish Amiga channel in IRCnet) we had a bot (eggdrop) with quotes database... anyone can ask for quote, most people could add them and bot (she) quoted something randomly... |
| 17:09.13 | hrw | we suspected bot for having kind of AI :) |
| 17:10.52 | raduga | hrw: i think at least some of the bots use context-sensitive keywords |
| 17:11.23 | raduga | they grep through the channel dialogue, and use that to find an appropriate pseudo-random quote |
| 17:12.27 | hrw | raduga: I looked at code - it was totally random |
| 17:12.42 | CoreDump|home | hehe |
| 17:13.12 | hrw | kind of echo quote_array[rand()]; |
| 17:14.17 | raduga | hrw: ok, some bots in some other channels, maybe |
| 17:14.32 | raduga | "closed source" so nobody knows for sure ;) |
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| 17:27.03 | hrw | CoreDump|home: building locales took 1.5h here |
| 17:27.13 | CoreDump|home | ouch |
| 17:29.25 | hrw | tomorrow will flash image |
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| 17:30.23 | hrw | CoreDump|home: reboot/halt works ok on akita? |
| 17:30.31 | CoreDump|home | yep |
| 17:30.31 | hrw | hi TheMasterMind1 |
| 17:30.37 | hrw | keeping time too? |
| 17:30.44 | CoreDump|home | IIRC yes |
| 17:30.58 | CoreDump|home | well, last time I checked it did ; |
| 17:31.02 | hrw | added into rc2 info on oz.org |
| 17:32.43 | TheMasterMind1 | hola |
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| 19:28.12 | prh_ | hmm |
| 19:28.22 | prh_ | ~ ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 19:28.38 | prh_ | ibot: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 19:28.43 | prh_ | ibot: help |
| 19:29.00 | prh_ | bah - how do I do the equiv of ctrl-alt-f1 in gpe? |
| 19:29.11 | prh_ | eyup george |
| 19:29.17 | prh_ | oh he quit |
| 19:30.07 | hrw | run terminal and do 'chvt 1' |
| 19:31.58 | prh_ | ta - I know how to do that :O) I want a key combo cos gpe-login works - but nothing runs after it - so I want to get to a VT to work out why... but the only way to do that is give X the three finger salute... or find the right key combo... |
| 19:32.35 | hrw | SysRq+R - then Fn+Let |
| 19:32.37 | hrw | SysRq+R - then Fn+Left |
| 19:33.21 | prh_ | sysrq is? |
| 19:34.04 | hrw | Alt+Home |
| 19:34.25 | prh_ | ooh ta |
| 19:34.35 | hrw | we have this documented in wiki - kernel 2.6 information iirc |
| 19:35.48 | prh_ | nice |
| 19:35.59 | prh_ | bah - google missed it :O) |
| 19:36.31 | prh_ | I'm trying to run opie and X side by side (have swap on hdd) |
| 19:36.42 | prh_ | but X is doing weird stuff |
| 19:36.47 | prh_ | X itself runs fine... |
| 19:51.15 | JustinP | prh_: heh...I did that way back when |
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| 20:07.43 | StarKruzr | hey guys |
| 20:08.15 | StarKruzr | does anyone know of a package that lets you turn the lcd on and off at will on a collie? |
| 20:08.54 | StarKruzr | or somesetting in mediaplayer2 that does it automagically |
| 20:09.25 | StarKruzr | old, buggy opie-mediaplayer used to have a feature like that |
| 20:26.43 | JustinP | StarKruzr: slbl |
| 20:27.30 | JustinP | StarKruzr: and there's always the power applet |
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| 21:07.10 | hrw | night all |
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| 22:24.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm sitting at a mirror download page, wondering what files I need |
| 22:25.10 | ScytheBlade1 | As the ones listed in the instructions variate just enough to make me wonder |
| 22:28.24 | ScytheBlade1 | do I need the bootstrap image? |
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| 22:33.39 | redguy | ScytheBlade1: bootstrap will give you just a text terminal |
| 22:34.31 | redguy | ScytheBlade1: you need the zImage, updater and one of the images you want to flash: either opie or gpe or bootstrap |
| 22:35.10 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, cool |
| 22:35.11 | ScytheBlade1 | thanks |
| 22:37.32 | ScytheBlade1 | huh |
| 22:37.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't use the numbers on the keypad... |
| 22:41.30 | StarKruzr | if it's like the 5500, you have to hold Fn while pressing the numbers. |
| 22:41.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I tried. |
| 22:41.42 | StarKruzr | o_O |
| 22:42.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, how do I configure wireless? I need to plug in a WEP key... |
| 22:43.05 | StarKruzr | there should be an application in Settings for that. |
| 22:43.09 | StarKruzr | It's called Network. |
| 22:43.23 | StarKruzr | under the latest version of OZ, it has nice extensions for connecting to wireless networks. |
| 22:43.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, and I'm lacking an place for WEP keys |
| 22:43.27 | StarKruzr | (this wasn't always the case) |
| 22:43.31 | StarKruzr | huh. |
| 22:43.35 | ScytheBlade1 | hey there we go |
| 22:43.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I had to try to connect |
| 22:43.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Then it appeared |
| 22:43.41 | StarKruzr | ah. |
| 22:43.51 | StarKruzr | (YAY DOCUMENTATION) |
| 22:43.56 | StarKruzr | (as in, there isn't much) |
| 22:44.14 | StarKruzr | does anyone know if OZ works with Qtopia Desktop, and if not, what are you expected to use for desktop pim software? |
| 22:44.30 | ScytheBlade1 | That's fine |
| 22:45.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, the numeric keys are completly dead |
| 22:46.01 | StarKruzr | do they work AS letter keys? |
| 22:46.07 | StarKruzr | you may have a stuck key somewhere. |
| 22:46.55 | ScytheBlade1 | They do |
| 22:47.14 | StarKruzr | could be your Fn key is gummed up. do other Fn functions work? |
| 22:47.18 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 22:47.27 | StarKruzr | O_o |
| 22:47.33 | StarKruzr | your Z is throwing a tantrum, man. |
| 22:47.36 | raduga | broken keymapping perhaps |
| 22:47.41 | raduga | or broken keymaps |
| 22:47.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Almost certaintley @ raduga |
| 22:50.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, I got my wifi up, so that's a plus |
| 22:51.03 | StarKruzr | w00t! |
| 22:51.12 | StarKruzr | try doing an ipkg update. but. what wifi card are you using? |
| 22:51.22 | ScytheBlade1 | integerated |
| 22:51.26 | StarKruzr | ok. |
| 22:51.30 | ScytheBlade1 | It's the 6000 with the integrated wifi and bluetooth |
| 22:51.33 | StarKruzr | try ipkg update. |
| 22:51.45 | StarKruzr | I mean, upgrade |
| 22:51.59 | ScytheBlade1 | "console" eh |
| 22:52.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I was looking for terminal |
| 22:52.31 | ScytheBlade1 | "Nothing to be done" |
| 22:53.27 | StarKruzr | check bugzilla? |
| 22:53.52 | ScytheBlade1 | It's on the list ;) |
| 22:55.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:55.13 | ScytheBlade1 | using the GUI |
| 22:55.23 | ScytheBlade1 | ... "was terminated due to signal code SIGABRT" |
| 22:55.26 | StarKruzr | hm |
| 22:55.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Good times, that's good and proper broken |
| 22:55.31 | ScytheBlade1 | To the console! |
| 22:55.52 | StarKruzr | Package Manager is, as they say on the wiki, slightly bananas |
| 22:56.04 | StarKruzr | but it's the easiest way to install Opie programs |
| 22:56.45 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go, updates |
| 22:58.29 | StarKruzr | come onnnn Package Manager |
| 22:58.30 | StarKruzr | you can do it |
| 22:58.48 | ScytheBlade1 | nah, console |
| 22:58.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ipkg |
| 22:59.02 | ScytheBlade1 | now to reboot |
| 22:59.06 | StarKruzr | well, I think upgrades are way easier on console |
| 22:59.11 | StarKruzr | installs are easier on PM |
| 23:01.36 | StarKruzr | does anyone know if OZ works with Qtopia Desktop, and if not, what are you expected to use for desktop pim software? |
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| 23:03.55 | StarKruzr | hey zraven |
| 23:04.08 | StarKruzr | are you from Plattsburgh? |
| 23:04.16 | ScytheBlade1 | hey |
| 23:04.20 | ScytheBlade1 | functional numbers |
| 23:04.24 | StarKruzr | w00t |
| 23:04.42 | StarKruzr | guess it was wonk keymaps |
| 23:04.45 | StarKruzr | wonky |
| 23:04.51 | ScytheBlade1 | it was |
| 23:06.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Any way to configure multiple wifi configs? |
| 23:06.25 | ScytheBlade1 | "If you can't find X AP, try Y AP", etc |
| 23:08.32 | StarKruzr | Like profiles. |
| 23:08.34 | StarKruzr | I don't think so. |
| 23:08.36 | StarKruzr | Not yet, anyway. |
| 23:08.42 | StarKruzr | Network has a built-in AP scanner though. |
| 23:08.53 | ScytheBlade1 | which helps |
| 23:08.59 | StarKruzr | aye |
| 23:09.00 | ScytheBlade1 | But not when I have multiple APs with WEP |
| 23:09.06 | StarKruzr | ergh. |
| 23:09.15 | StarKruzr | check the feeds. |
| 23:09.15 | ScytheBlade1 | different WEP keys too, mind you |
| 23:09.21 | StarKruzr | I think there's a wifi manager in there somewhere. |
| 23:09.24 | StarKruzr | it might be an applet? |
| 23:09.56 | ScytheBlade1 | huh |
| 23:10.02 | ScytheBlade1 | My keymap is still broken |
| 23:10.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't type . |
| 23:10.22 | StarKruzr | something wicked your way comes. |
| 23:10.24 | ScytheBlade1 | and the + and - keys are swapped |
| 23:10.41 | StarKruzr | dude |
| 23:10.48 | StarKruzr | at this point I might reflash if I were you |
| 23:10.59 | ScytheBlade1 | To what, the same thing I just downloaded? ;) |
| 23:11.17 | StarKruzr | yeah. sometimes weird things happen during first boot. |
| 23:12.22 | raduga | has anyone tried using timidity as a sequencer device (with alsa, or similar?) |
| 23:13.28 | raduga | I can imagine it would be slow and ponderous, but at least, might avoid the several-second startup delay when spawning |
| 23:13.46 | StarKruzr | negative. |
| 23:13.58 | raduga | starkruzr: negative, meaning haven't tried it? |
| 23:14.04 | raduga | or negative, doesn't help? |
| 23:14.09 | StarKruzr | negative, haven't tried. |
| 23:14.10 | ScytheBlade1 | and, remote desktop connection is proper broken |
| 23:14.10 | ScytheBlade1 | yay |
| 23:14.31 | StarKruzr | ScytheBlade1: rule #1 of OZ: nothing is ever easy :) |
| 23:14.43 | ScytheBlade1 | There's a difference between easy and actually working |
| 23:14.50 | StarKruzr | yes |
| 23:14.56 | StarKruzr | you always have to fix things yourself. |
| 23:15.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Trust me, I would know, I build embedded routers over null modem cables ;) |
| 23:15.19 | StarKruzr | You poor man. |
| 23:15.45 | ScytheBlade1 | OZ so far |
| 23:15.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Seems good and proper broken |
| 23:16.07 | StarKruzr | I don't think it's ever Just Worked |
| 23:16.21 | StarKruzr | I'm waiting for the day when the Ubuntu project discovers the Z family :) |
| 23:16.26 | ScytheBlade1 | "Just Worked" and "I can type correctly" should be in different categories ;) |
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| 23:17.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Either way, I just reflashed |
| 23:17.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Attempting again |
| 23:17.58 | StarKruzr | Good luck. |
| 23:18.08 | StarKruzr | hi meshuga. |
| 23:32.39 | ScytheBlade1 | hey look |
| 23:32.42 | ScytheBlade1 | display corruption |
| 23:34.40 | kolla | hm.. is it possible to hack the CF slot on a SL-5500 to support two slots? |
| 23:35.27 | kolla | from the kernel it already looks like two sockets |
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| 23:52.44 | magnet | hi |
| 23:52.49 | magnet | which ipkg contain kernel source code ? |
| 23:53.02 | magnet | I need it to compile some kernel module. |
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