| 00:02.25 | prh__ | simcop2387: coool! |
| 00:04.46 | magnet | heh I could use this with my isp's router, it broadcast tv. :) |
| 00:05.13 | magnet | my attemps to read divx from hard drive gave poor results trought. |
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| 01:37.00 | dhr | I just hooked up a desktop keyboard to my 6000's USB host port and it just worked. Congratulations to 3.5.4 folks. |
| 01:38.09 | dhr | oops. Spoke too soon. / key doesn't work. |
| 01:44.21 | JustinP | keymap issues |
| 02:05.27 | dhr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:33.19 | punk-ass | using linux-sl5500-20030509-rom3_10.tar.bz2 and sound-2.4.18r2.patch, I get http://openzaurus.pastebin.com/712820 |
| 02:33.51 | punk-ass | also does anyone know why there is a hunk of binary in cacko.patch? |
| 02:34.20 | punk-ass | the linux/drivers/s390/block/dasd.c section of it |
| 02:35.17 | dhr | Is that IBM mainframe jumk? System/390? "DASD" is IBM-speak for "disk drive". |
| 02:35.33 | punk-ass | yeah it doesn't apply to me, but it is still odd |
| 02:35.38 | hobbs | seems that way. Why would cacko.patch even be affecting S390 code? ;) |
| 02:35.56 | punk-ass | and makes me wonder about the integrity of the rest of the patch |
| 02:37.31 | hobbs | punk-ass: I'm at work right now, but I'm on my way out the door -- I've got an xcompile setup at home and some familiarity with kernel stuff, so I'll take a look if you're planning to be around in half an hour-ish |
| 02:37.42 | punk-ass | hobbs: yes, thanks |
| 02:38.06 | hobbs | actually I think I'm interested in this patch ;) |
| 02:40.00 | punk-ass | i'm curious if it makes aumix work with it |
| 02:40.27 | punk-ass | i'm not really interested in running opie or GPE |
| 02:40.47 | punk-ass | but I wouldn't know from looking at it, don't know enough C |
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| 03:15.50 | hobbs | a |
| 03:16.06 | hobbs | I return |
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| 03:16.41 | hobbs | hello simcopter. |
| 03:17.32 | punk-ass | hobbs: I got the patches from http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/other_scms/hg/org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux/openzaurus-sa-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix20030509/ |
| 03:17.39 | punk-ass | btw there is buzzer stuff in there |
| 03:18.14 | hobbs | punk-ass: I expect that the sound patch originated at http://www2.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~tkunze/zaurus/ |
| 03:24.43 | hobbs | punk-ass: I suspect that the best method of attacking the problem would be to use the recommended OE build procedure, with the one particular line that reenables the sound patch uncommented |
| 03:24.58 | hobbs | punk-ass: and see if it still barfs that way |
| 03:26.46 | hobbs | punk-ass: there is definitely something out there with that cacko patch, but I guess it's harmless, since it's in a completely different arch, and lots of people are running the kernel that built from it ;) |
| 03:29.52 | punk-ass | hobbs: are you going to use the OE build procedure? |
| 03:30.01 | punk-ass | I don't have that stuff installed |
| 03:30.04 | punk-ass | just arm gcc |
| 03:30.08 | hobbs | punk-ass: yeah. But it might take me a good while ;) |
| 03:30.13 | punk-ass | ok np |
| 03:30.54 | hobbs | I tarred up my OE tree to save space, so step one is untarring it :) |
| 03:31.41 | punk-ass | do you know much about device drivers in the "current" collie kernel? |
| 03:31.47 | punk-ass | i'm using an older one right now |
| 03:32.05 | punk-ass | and it seems like just about everything is non-standard |
| 03:32.18 | punk-ass | like gpm can't see the touchscreen as a mouse |
| 03:32.25 | punk-ass | aumix can't touch the mixer |
| 03:32.26 | punk-ass | etc |
| 03:32.44 | hobbs | punk-ass: yeah, that's about the state of things. Design improvements in 2.6 have let more things use "standard" interfaces, but whether 2.6 will ever come to collie is very questionable. |
| 03:33.48 | hobbs | and no, I'm not _deeply_ familiar. I actually had a collie about 4 years ago, broke it, and just got one again a week ago |
| 03:33.55 | hobbs | so I've been out of the loop but getting back in ;) |
| 03:34.32 | punk-ass | probably not, i'd guess |
| 03:34.34 | punk-ass | 2.6 |
| 03:35.00 | punk-ass | its pretty pointless without sd |
| 03:35.02 | punk-ass | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19269 |
| 03:35.42 | hobbs | Now that I've been playing with the collie again and remembering how cool having a Zaurus is, I also notice how limited it is, and I'm thinking seriously about trading up for an akita |
| 03:35.59 | punk-ass | screen? |
| 03:36.11 | hobbs | hmm? |
| 03:36.22 | punk-ass | what about it is too limited for you? |
| 03:37.17 | hobbs | processor, screen, drivers, available software (pdaxrom looks nice but is only produced for clamshell models), bunch of things |
| 03:37.26 | hobbs | plus I think I'd like the form factor. |
| 03:38.21 | punk-ass | yeah I originally wanted a clamshell but I am happy with the 5500 form factor now |
| 03:38.33 | punk-ass | I like how it looks like a normal pda with the keyboard hidden |
| 03:39.00 | punk-ass | processor is fine for me though, playing oggs and mp3s only uses 20% cpu |
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| 03:39.07 | punk-ass | more ram would be nice, but they are all 64MB |
| 03:39.15 | hobbs | If I can sell my collie to someone, along with a couple memory cards and this cable I got for it, I think I can get enough together to get an akita without breaking the bank |
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| 03:47.06 | punk-ass | akita is nice, I keep looking at them |
| 03:47.19 | punk-ass | but don't feel like spending $400 |
| 03:47.57 | punk-ass | 5500 is limited, but you get the most for what you pay |
| 03:53.56 | hobbs | punk-ass: okay, giving the build a spin. Hopefully it just does it without trying to drag anything else in |
| 03:54.18 | hobbs | followed the special kernel-building instructions, and I've done "bitbake collie-kernel-64-0" |
| 03:56.04 | punk-ass | hmm, i'm guessing it will work |
| 03:56.15 | punk-ass | but we will see |
| 03:56.32 | CoreDump|afk | should work just fine |
| 03:56.52 | hobbs | CoreDump|afk: yeah, my musing was just about how long I'll be waiting for it :) |
| 03:57.04 | CoreDump|afk | =) |
| 03:57.13 | hobbs | hooray for wrong instructions |
| 03:57.13 | punk-ass | I wonder why it will be different than it was for me though |
| 03:57.24 | punk-ass | unless I am missing another patch |
| 03:58.23 | hobbs | the howto I was reading said to use ASSUME_PROVIDED = ... and then after several minutes of grinding bitbake tells me that I really wanted ASSUME_PROVIDED += |
| 03:58.50 | CoreDump|afk | hobbs: heh, that was changed only recently |
| 03:59.22 | CoreDump|afk | and at first you didn't get that warning. Boy was that a bitch to find |
| 03:59.58 | hobbs | at least the chugging goes faster this time 'cause the files are all in RAM :) |
| 04:01.58 | punk-ass | also wondering why -mtune=strongarm1100 is used |
| 04:02.02 | hobbs | CoreDump|afk: you were doing this stuff 3-4 years ago, right? |
| 04:02.07 | hobbs | punk-ass: why not? |
| 04:02.10 | punk-ass | wouldn't -mtune=strongarm1110 be better? |
| 04:02.37 | hobbs | might be if that was one of the choices :) |
| 04:02.41 | CoreDump|afk | hmm not 4yrs ago, no. I only became ative when OE came around |
| 04:02.58 | hobbs | CoreDump|afk: alright. That's just about the time that I crushed my first Z |
| 04:04.24 | punk-ass | it is a choice, just edit arch/arm/Makefile |
| 04:04.43 | punk-ass | right? |
| 04:04.59 | punk-ass | i'm compiling a kernel right now, if it works I will try -mtune=strongarm1110 |
| 04:05.28 | hobbs | punk-ass: no, because gcc doesn't have a spec file named "strongarm1110" |
| 04:05.45 | hobbs | it has strongarm, strongarm110, and strongarm1100 |
| 04:06.10 | punk-ass | mine does, unless it is just an alias for strongarm1100 |
| 04:06.15 | CoreDump|afk | RP: I'm looking at locomo again. On a PC-type keyboard, after pressing Num_Lock, the Numlock keys return different keycodes than when Num_Lock is off. This doesn't work w/ locomo. Am I right to assume that the keycod switch is done with the kbd driver? |
| 04:06.52 | hobbs | punk-ass: anyway... I just hit the compile error, which means the patch must be out of date |
| 04:06.59 | hobbs | punk-ass: I'll see if it's within my skills to update it |
| 04:07.04 | punk-ass | used it for compiling mplayer and it worked great |
| 04:07.39 | punk-ass | ah |
| 04:08.28 | CoreDump|afk | since the sound-patch breaks opie screen-tap & keyclick sounds it is a) disabled, and b) unmaintained. A Opie patch would be welcome I guess heh |
| 04:08.46 | hobbs | punk-ass: hmm... I think the problem might be a misuse of "static" |
| 04:11.45 | hobbs | actually it looks like mixer_unit and friends are just never declared if !MODULE |
| 04:12.34 | hobbs | not 100% sure how to fix that, as there's presumably some reason why the declaration is inside that ifdef in the first place |
| 04:12.49 | hobbs | but just removing the guards might work so long as you don't try to have more than one device (which is impossible anyway ;)) |
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| 04:20.23 | punk-ass | power outage |
| 04:20.27 | hobbs | fun |
| 04:28.44 | punk-ass | ah I guess only newer versions of gcc have -mtune=strongarm1110 |
| 04:29.38 | punk-ass | 3.3 was what I used with mplayer |
| 04:34.35 | hobbs | punk-ass: I had to nuke my tmp dir to convince OE that I was serious, so it's sitting here rebuilding some native stuff before I can find out whether my patch to the patch worked ;) |
| 04:34.56 | punk-ass | cool |
| 04:37.05 | punk-ass | do you know where the 64-0 stuff is set? |
| 04:37.25 | punk-ass | or where there might be any info on bootstrapping the collie in a non-oe environment? :) |
| 04:38.18 | hobbs | not offhand. I know where it's set in the OE build procedure, but I'd need to do a little sleuthing to find out where that actually affects the kernel build |
| 04:40.42 | punk-ass | I see Default kernel command string: "<see openzaurus-sa_*.bb file in OpenEmbedded metadata>" |
| 04:40.48 | punk-ass | and suspect it might be there |
| 04:41.17 | hobbs | punk-ass: oh, it's pretty simple. If storage is 0, then CONFIG_MTD_MTDRAM_SA1100 is n; otherwise it's y and CONFIG_MTDRAM_TOTAL_SIZE gets the size, CONFIG_MTDRAM_ABS_POS gets the right address to keep it from going off the end of memory, and CONFIG_MTDRAM_ERASE_SIZE is 1 |
| 04:42.00 | hobbs | punk-ass: http://sial.org/pbot/17159 |
| 04:42.58 | hobbs | that code expects $mem and $rd to have values, obviously |
| 04:43.34 | hobbs | punk-ass: the .bb file is right in the dir above where you got that patch, though |
| 04:44.49 | punk-ass | nice, thanks |
| 04:51.32 | hobbs | eep. It's building glibc for some reason ;) |
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| 05:13.17 | hobbs | I think we're almost there ;) |
| 05:13.24 | hobbs | glibc only took an hour, yay ;) |
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| 05:19.34 | punk-ass | so does this patch help you with the buzzer at all? |
| 05:19.44 | punk-ass | im not really sure what it does, just saw it there |
| 05:21.27 | hobbs | punk-ass: I believe so |
| 05:28.57 | hobbs | now it's building gcc. And I don't even know why |
| 05:40.02 | hobbs | punk-ass: I got that file to compile. But now the next one errors ;) |
| 05:44.42 | punk-ass | :) |
| 05:44.49 | punk-ass | I just finished compiling |
| 05:44.58 | punk-ass | all of the patches worked fine |
| 05:45.04 | hobbs | how's that? |
| 05:45.08 | hobbs | including the sound patch? |
| 05:45.12 | punk-ass | didn't use the logo or bluetooth ones though |
| 05:45.19 | punk-ass | or sound of course |
| 05:45.35 | punk-ass | just testing out the rest for problems |
| 05:45.39 | hobbs | punk-ass: any chance you could make clean, tar up your tree, and send it to me? :) |
| 05:46.08 | hobbs | punk-ass: I need to move outside of the OE environment so that I can work on this patch without lots of pain, and if you already have a working tree ;) |
| 05:46.15 | punk-ass | let me kill my downloads |
| 05:46.17 | hobbs | punk-ass: if your bandwidth can't handle it, though, I understand |
| 05:46.21 | punk-ass | not sure how lagged I am |
| 05:46.37 | punk-ass | I am on a modem :( |
| 05:46.46 | punk-ass | what distro are you using? |
| 05:46.47 | hobbs | punk-ass: oh, that's not gonna work then |
| 05:47.31 | punk-ass | I used debootstrap to build a base debian arm system |
| 05:47.37 | punk-ass | and am running it in qemu |
| 05:47.46 | punk-ass | so i'm using the native arm gcc |
| 05:48.05 | hobbs | punk-ass: gotcha |
| 05:48.12 | hobbs | punk-ass: can I just get your .config file then? |
| 05:48.19 | punk-ass | if you want my qemu kernel and initrd that isn't a big deal |
| 05:48.24 | punk-ass | ok |
| 05:48.34 | hobbs | that'll save me a little work anyway |
| 05:50.34 | hobbs | problem's on your end |
| 05:50.40 | hobbs | I'm trying to connect but no go ;) |
| 05:50.51 | punk-ass | oh yeah firewall |
| 05:51.41 | punk-ass | ok i'll resend, i'll tell you when the port is open |
| 05:52.04 | hobbs | dammit, I already hit accept |
| 05:52.14 | hobbs | next time send it when you're ready to send it ;) |
| 05:53.58 | punk-ass | should be ok |
| 05:54.03 | hobbs | not going |
| 05:54.06 | hobbs | I've got an idea for you |
| 05:54.11 | punk-ass | did you accept before I said it was ok? |
| 05:54.11 | hobbs | http://sial.org/pbot/paste |
| 05:55.07 | punk-ass | too big for gpm pasting |
| 05:58.30 | punk-ass | aww come on, that time I was fast :) |
| 05:58.34 | punk-ass | do you autoget? |
| 06:01.58 | punk-ass | it should be ok to get |
| 06:02.07 | punk-ass | i made the firewall unblocking automatic |
| 06:03.26 | hobbs | no. probably because DCC is a piece of shit. |
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| 06:04.42 | punk-ass | ah I see the problem |
| 06:04.49 | punk-ass | it will work this time, just wait for the ok |
| 06:05.22 | punk-ass | ok |
| 06:05.40 | hobbs | yeah, that's so much like working I can't believe it. I don't even need the file anymore :) |
| 06:06.57 | punk-ass | yeah you can tell I don't dcc much |
| 06:07.34 | punk-ass | I panicked and accidentally put your source port in instead of my dest port |
| 06:08.17 | punk-ass | but yeah they have it there where I got the patches |
| 06:08.26 | punk-ass | pretty much the same |
| 06:14.05 | hobbs | punk-ass: I'm giving the stock kernel a spin to make sure that I patched it up right and have the compilation procedure down |
| 06:14.31 | hobbs | and then I can try to get the sound patch to go |
| 06:14.45 | hobbs | It looks like we're in good shape :) |
| 06:15.00 | hobbs | and gcc-2.95 flies like the wind on this laptop :) |
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| 06:16.10 | punk-ass | yeah my setup is pretty slow |
| 06:16.15 | punk-ass | but I don't compile much |
| 06:20.21 | hobbs | and it's built |
| 06:22.41 | hobbs | flashing it to make sure it works. Wish me luck ;) |
| 06:23.03 | punk-ass | brave :) |
| 06:23.27 | hobbs | it's not easy to actually brick one of these |
| 06:23.33 | hobbs | even if you screw up you can flash it again |
| 06:24.07 | punk-ass | how do you? pulling the power during a flash? |
| 06:24.26 | jtd | I got my Akita! :D :D :D :D |
| 06:24.32 | hobbs | punk-ass: that could hurt |
| 06:24.35 | hobbs | jtd: yay! |
| 06:24.37 | hobbs | jtd: where's mine? |
| 06:24.42 | jtd | uh |
| 06:24.45 | jtd | in the mail. |
| 06:24.52 | hobbs | jtd: cool |
| 06:25.16 | jtd | how do you guys feel about pdaxrom? |
| 06:25.18 | simcop2387 | syn-pda: mpeg2 150kbit video, mp2 64kbit audio using mplayer |
| 06:25.33 | simcop2387 | i'm gonna try other players (specifically opie-mediaplayer later) |
| 06:25.48 | hobbs | jtd: I think it looks cool, but I don't have a clamshell device to try it on :) |
| 06:25.53 | jtd | it is apparently on 2.4. but it is a buttload shinier and less buggy than OZ 3.5.4 for SL-5500, for whatever that's worth |
| 06:26.00 | jtd | hobbs: I feel your pain |
| 06:26.18 | hobbs | jtd: I think I'm going to get an akita next paycheck. But it depends on things |
| 06:26.22 | simcop2387 | hobbs: mythtv recordings on a collie capable of fitting an hour on a 128mb cf card |
| 06:26.39 | jtd | shop at pricejapan. they got it to me in *two days*. |
| 06:26.48 | jtd | not to mention being super super cheap |
| 06:26.53 | hobbs | jtd: wow. Thanks for the recommendation |
| 06:29.22 | jtd | I'm thinking about trying 3.5.4.1, but not before I give pdaxrom a good try first |
| 06:29.28 | hobbs | punk-ass: it boots. |
| 06:29.43 | jtd | pdaxrom's package pool seems to be a good bit shallower than OZ's |
| 06:29.48 | hobbs | punk-ass: the boot scripts say that I'm a dangerous rebel because my version number doesn't match |
| 06:30.03 | jtd | bahahahaha |
| 06:30.05 | punk-ass | nice |
| 06:30.09 | punk-ass | this is the stock kernel? |
| 06:30.21 | jtd | hey, I thought he was supposed to be the rebel punk guy |
| 06:30.28 | hobbs | punk-ass: it's the same set of patches as OE uses, just my own build. |
| 06:33.17 | punk-ass | not sure why, but I was worried there was some magic needed to bootstrap collie |
| 06:33.36 | punk-ass | so it is nice to see how easy that was for you |
| 06:34.00 | hobbs | punk-ass: well there's a lot more that goes into it if you want to build a proper image and set of modules and everything |
| 06:34.38 | punk-ass | well i've been playing with qemu-system-arm lately |
| 06:34.39 | hobbs | punk-ass: but I'm not, I'm just replacing zImage and leaving the rest the same |
| 06:35.04 | punk-ass | and build an initrd from scratch etc |
| 06:35.10 | punk-ass | so that should be about the same I guess |
| 06:40.59 | hobbs | punk-ass: I got that sound driver compiling, but I don't quite expect it to _work_ at this point. It might though |
| 06:41.19 | hobbs | punk-ass: we'll know in a few. |
| 06:42.42 | hobbs | jtd: not bad. pricejapan's after-shipping price is about the same as some other places' before-shipping price. |
| 06:43.37 | punk-ass | yeah from what ive seen you wont find it cheaper |
| 06:43.59 | hobbs | punk-ass: flashing. again. |
| 06:44.21 | hobbs | oh, for kexec ;) |
| 06:45.50 | hobbs | I fixed the version string so that it should be indistinguishible from the OZ kernel this time ;) |
| 06:45.56 | hobbs | and init won't call me names |
| 06:50.48 | hobbs | punk-ass: system boots, SD module still loads without any explosions |
| 06:52.40 | jtd | hobbs: are you testing the 2.6 SD on Collie? |
| 06:53.03 | hobbs | jtd: no, trying to get the "sound patch" for buzzer working again on 2.4 |
| 06:57.46 | simcop2387 | hobbs: sound patch? |
| 06:57.49 | hobbs | punk-ass: anyway, it compiles and the system works, but now _no_ sound of any sort |
| 06:58.05 | hobbs | simcop2387: for collie, to let you use the buzzer as a DSP device |
| 06:58.16 | punk-ass | jtd: must have been spaced out, just noticed the rebel punk comment :) |
| 06:58.42 | hobbs | simcop2387: it used to be in OZ, but got backed out a while back, and hasn't been maintained |
| 07:02.00 | punk-ass | it looks like i'll be fine without it, but if you do get it working please let me know |
| 07:02.05 | punk-ass | im going to sleep soon |
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| 07:04.13 | hobbs | punk-ass: yeah, it's interesting. Would help if I had someone to talk to who knew something about these two modules and how they're supposed to work |
| 07:04.25 | hobbs | punk-ass: right now I'm sort of guessing, and I think mostly wrong ;) |
| 07:10.02 | punk-ass | hobbs: might want to ask in #oe |
| 07:10.09 | punk-ass | a lot more people there |
| 07:10.10 | hobbs | punk-ass: I might have hit on something though. It looks like there were two drivers trying to use the same chip, and I might have found the right one to disable ;) |
| 07:10.18 | punk-ass | and it is actually on topic for you since you are developing |
| 07:13.54 | hobbs | punk-ass: gonna give it one more try if you want to wait up |
| 07:14.02 | punk-ass | ok |
| 07:15.56 | hobbs | blinkenlights |
| 07:18.53 | hobbs | chug chug boot |
| 07:21.29 | punk-ass | not that the buzzer is important, but it makes you wonder about 2.6 |
| 07:21.57 | simcop2387 | hobbs: cool if you get it working tell me it'd kick ass for tv |
| 07:22.05 | simcop2387 | assuming it worked at all |
| 07:22.22 | simcop2387 | wtf is blinkenlights anyway? |
| 07:22.24 | hobbs | still no love |
| 07:22.44 | punk-ass | i can't pageup (power went out), what was the problem opie had with it? |
| 07:23.04 | hobbs | punk-ass: you don't get the "standard" buzzer features like alarms or keyclick |
| 07:23.38 | punk-ass | ah ok, wasn't sure if it was more serious like crashing when those events happened |
| 07:24.43 | hobbs | I wouldn't expect so. I just think it's a loss of features, mostly because opie-alarm expects the buzzer to be there |
| 07:25.28 | simcop2387 | i'd rather have the audio since opie-alarm doesn't work on collies since 3.5.2 |
| 07:25.57 | hobbs | worked for me when I tested it, I think... but yeah, keyclicks and alarms don't interest me a whole lot either |
| 07:26.14 | simcop2387 | hobbs: it won't work while suspended is the issue |
| 07:26.24 | simcop2387 | something like that anyway |
| 07:26.31 | hobbs | simcop2387: maybe it's intermittent. I tested just that, and it did wake up |
| 07:26.44 | hobbs | simcop2387: but I know that recent OZ on collie has issues with suspend/resume all over the place ;) |
| 07:27.18 | simcop2387 | are you booting of sd if you are then you'll have issues |
| 07:27.28 | hobbs | yeah |
| 07:28.48 | jtd | I seem to recall it wasn't long ago when you could play mp3s (poorly) through the buzzer |
| 07:29.04 | hobbs | jtd: yeah. The driver was apparently removed. And since then it's apparently become broken. |
| 07:29.05 | jtd | opie-mediaplayer also used to be able to turn the screen off during playback, which was a great feature |
| 07:29.08 | jtd | since gone. |
| 07:29.23 | hobbs | jtd: at least that's the impression I get from the bitbake file |
| 07:29.28 | jtd | hrrm. |
| 07:29.56 | jtd | I feel like if changes to the kernel made the buzzer driver go 'splody, other things would have broken too. |
| 07:30.33 | jtd | btw I just found out the proc in the Akita is actually a 617MHz processor :D you can clock it up whenever you want |
| 07:30.41 | jtd | which is *awesome* for development. |
| 07:30.51 | hobbs | jtd: you'd think, but this is what I hear. Who knows, this stuff is weird. And whoever at Sharp wrote the original stuff didn't exactly follow _any_ kernel conventions ;) |
| 07:30.58 | jtd | might even be able to host its own build environment and not have things take a million years. |
| 07:31.22 | jtd | yes, so I've heard. lots of "praise" for the Embedix kernel. |
| 07:31.32 | hobbs | jtd: it's running at 416 by default, isn't it? But yeah, a 50%-ish boost can be useful. So long as you don't melt anything. |
| 07:32.23 | jtd | hobbs: it is. |
| 07:32.49 | hobbs | anyway I'm flashing one more image and going to bed. Won't fix anything, but I turned on DEBUG in the driver. So hopefully it'll spam me with info. And _wishfully_, I'll understand some of it ;) |
| 07:33.08 | jtd | sleep is for the weak! |
| 07:33.22 | hobbs | jtd: I have work to go to. And I keep coming in late because I went to bed at 3AM |
| 07:33.34 | jtd | :) trust me, I feel your pain |
| 07:33.43 | jtd | I used to do this stuff *at* work when there was no work to do |
| 07:33.55 | jtd | my boss didn't bother me mostly because it looked like I was "working hard" |
| 07:33.59 | hobbs | jtd: I might be doing that tomorrow. They haven't been giving me anything for a few days ;) |
| 07:34.27 | jtd | there was also a prohibition against web browsing, so of course I used Links, which looks like Important DOS Computer Stuff to a PHb. |
| 07:34.35 | hobbs | :) |
| 07:38.28 | hobbs | okay, considering all of the debug info that I'm _not_ seeing, I get a feeling the driver isn't being loaded ;) |
| 07:42.35 | hrw|work | morning |
| 07:42.39 | jtd | hey hrw. |
| 07:42.51 | jtd | I got my Akita!!! |
| 07:43.07 | hrw|work | I saw that you guys are working on sound-via-buzzer patch on collie? |
| 07:43.23 | hobbs | hrw|work: attempting to |
| 07:43.27 | jtd | at the moment it's running pdaXrom, but I'm gonna try OZ soon, if for no other reason than pdaXrom doesn't seem to know how to pivot root to an SD card. |
| 07:43.32 | hobbs | hrw|work: you knowledgeable on it? |
| 07:43.36 | hrw|work | hobbs: move sound to modules or it will not work |
| 07:43.39 | jtd | hrw: the module seems to be badly broken |
| 07:44.04 | hobbs | hrw|work: okay, I can give that a spin |
| 07:44.21 | hrw|work | jtd: which module? |
| 07:49.22 | hobbs | I forgot how much more annoying the build process was under 2.4 ;) |
| 08:03.55 | hobbs | we get buzzer! |
| 08:04.37 | hobbs | punk-ass: you gone already? |
| 08:06.00 | hobbs | sounds like crap, but it kicks pretty good ;) |
| 08:06.21 | hobbs | simcop2387: how about you? |
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| 08:15.39 | hobbs | hrw|work: and there's a hack in the driver that lets you have buzzer sounds too... given a little work I can make it a less hacky hack ;) |
| 08:15.52 | hobbs | hrw|work: but that's a job for tomorrow, since it's once again after 3AM |
| 08:15.57 | hobbs | and I once again have work tomorrow ;) |
| 08:16.50 | hrw|work | hobbs: feel free to hack it |
| 08:17.01 | hrw|work | hobbs: 2.4-crapix is not maintained |
| 08:17.08 | hobbs | hrw|work: right |
| 08:17.23 | hrw|work | hobbs: would be great if someone will disable that notexistant second cf slot... |
| 08:17.32 | hobbs | hrw|work: but I think I can make it fly. Actually I already have screen taps working, and the alarm presumably does too |
| 08:18.29 | hrw|work | opie use ioctl() to produce taps/clicks/alarms |
| 08:18.45 | hobbs | hrw|work: but the driver has a hardcoded constant in just to handle SHARP_BUZZER_MAKESOUND and throws errors on the volume stuff, which isn't right. But I can import the code that _is_ right :) |
| 08:20.11 | hobbs | hrw|work: the actual code to do the work is there, it's just that someone got lazy with the ioctl handling |
| 08:21.05 | hrw|work | maybe - I looked at this once over year ago |
| 08:23.16 | XorA | moirning |
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| 08:44.49 | alan|home | yop all |
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| 09:59.44 | magnet | hi. |
| 10:31.23 | lardman|work | morning# |
| 10:31.41 | hrw|work | hi lardman |
| 10:31.57 | hrw|work | lardman|work: know some memspeed benchmarks? |
| 10:34.49 | lardman|work | hey hrw|work |
| 10:35.00 | lardman|work | what exactly do you want to benchmark? |
| 10:35.27 | hrw|work | memoryspeed - want to experiment a bit with overclocking/underclocking on Z |
| 10:36.37 | lardman|work | All I've ever done with memory was by way of testing memcpy() : http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18268 |
| 10:37.45 | hrw|work | ah.. that nokia one? |
| 10:37.58 | lardman|work | yeah, but the benchmark program will run on anything |
| 10:38.11 | lardman|work | Not sure if that'll measure what you want though |
| 10:39.19 | lardman|work | Someone who could be converted: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19322&hl= |
| 10:43.49 | hrw|work | lardman|work: posted |
| 10:46.29 | lardman|work | hrw|work: Do you have links to some pre-compiled toolchains? |
| 10:46.59 | hrw|work | lardman|work: oz 3.5.4 /sdk/ |
| 10:47.09 | lardman|work | bitbake sdk? |
| 10:47.18 | hrw|work | bitbake meta-sdk |
| 10:47.36 | lardman|work | I think it'd be worth distributing these along with the images |
| 10:47.39 | hrw|work | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/sdk/ |
| 10:47.47 | lardman|work | wonderful :) |
| 10:48.22 | lardman|work | The oe-cross-sdk, does it come with any libs? |
| 10:48.56 | hrw|work | filelist provided |
| 10:49.29 | lardman|work | ok, it's gpe based then |
| 10:50.01 | hrw|work | opie does not provide headers etc |
| 10:50.18 | lardman|work | when bitbaked you mean? |
| 10:50.22 | hrw|work | yes |
| 10:50.30 | lardman|work | mickeyl had an sdk iirc |
| 10:50.47 | hrw|work | yes |
| 10:51.36 | lardman|work | people want these things, we should publicise them more |
| 10:51.41 | hrw|work | that c7x0-fastmem-arm-test takes time.. |
| 10:51.54 | hrw|work | we also need to fix native sdk |
| 10:52.10 | lardman|work | yes indeed, it needs to try an work out a decent mean value iirc |
| 10:54.47 | magnet | arg my hostap_cs broke after update :( |
| 10:54.55 | hrw|work | which device/oz? |
| 10:55.02 | magnet | SL3100 |
| 10:55.13 | hrw|work | 3.5.4-rc2? |
| 10:55.14 | magnet | the wireless card is a planex one. |
| 10:55.20 | hrw|work | pccardctl ident please |
| 10:55.40 | magnet | I installed 3.5.4-rc1 and make ipkg update ; ipkg upgrade |
| 10:55.59 | hrw|work | pccardctl ident please |
| 10:56.27 | magnet | PLANEX COMMUNICATION INC "PLANEX GW-CF11X Wireless CF Card" |
| 10:56.50 | magnet | that product info, do you need manfid ? |
| 10:57.32 | hrw|work | whole output in exact same way as pccardctl show |
| 10:57.56 | magnet | ok, will take time since the Z don't have network. |
| 10:58.05 | magnet | Socket 1: |
| 10:58.48 | magnet | product info:"PLANEX COMMUNICATION INC","PLANEX GW-CF11X Wireless CF Card", "", "" |
| 10:59.03 | magnet | manfid: 0xd601, 0x0010 |
| 10:59.15 | magnet | function: 6 ( network ) |
| 10:59.18 | hrw|work | thx |
| 11:00.10 | hrw|work | does 'orinoco_cs' was loaded? |
| 11:00.21 | magnet | lemme check |
| 11:00.49 | magnet | no. |
| 11:00.56 | hrw|work | ok |
| 11:02.03 | magnet | do you want error messages from hostap ? |
| 11:02.13 | hrw|work | no need |
| 11:02.24 | magnet | oh it's a known problem ? |
| 11:02.50 | hrw|work | from http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/3.5.4x-experimental/2.6.16-r21-hrw/ grab kernel-module-hostap* for your machine (spitz) and install on device |
| 11:02.59 | magnet | pft |
| 11:03.17 | magnet | I have no network, i'll have to reformat my swap sd card :( |
| 11:03.24 | hrw|work | happens |
| 11:03.39 | magnet | right. |
| 11:04.01 | hrw|work | if this does not help (can be then I will provide newer modules) |
| 11:11.15 | alan|home | can mplayer play h264 encoded movies or does it need an external codec ? |
| 11:11.50 | alan|home | (h264 codec is used for ipods or psp, for example) |
| 11:11.52 | hrw|work | can it do this on desktop? |
| 11:12.44 | alan|home | i don't know... i already installed the h264 rpm, but i don't know if it is an encoder only or full codec |
| 11:15.44 | lardman|work | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/video-codecs.html#codec-x264 |
| 11:16.34 | lardman|work | looks like libavcodec/ffmpeg does the decoding |
| 11:16.52 | alan|home | great. |
| 11:16.56 | alan|home | thanks lardman|work |
| 11:17.09 | lardman|work | check it's not a binary only job though, or linked to x86 |
| 11:17.23 | lardman|work | s/linked/linked my machine code, etc. |
| 11:18.09 | hrw|work | magnet: helped? |
| 11:21.05 | alan|home | mmm... i think i read somewhere you needed to compile ffmpeg with --enable-h264 flag AND to have h264 libs installed to encode... if h264 libs are required to decode, then i don't think it has already been ported to OE... |
| 11:21.26 | alan|home | let's check this out |
| 11:21.46 | alan|home | hrw|work: i'll test your frequency tweaker in the same time |
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| 11:38.17 | alan|home | hrw|work: is a feed set up for 3.4.1 ? |
| 11:39.00 | alan|home | stupiod question :/ |
| 11:39.05 | alan|home | sorry... |
| 11:40.56 | alan|home | ok, here is one important i've never been able to answer to by myself : can i use 3.5.4 feeds for a 3.4.1 image ? |
| 11:42.35 | XorA | alan|home: 3.5.4 + updates feed == 3.5.4.1 |
| 11:42.59 | XorA | alan|home: + the new machine feeds if I recall |
| 11:43.25 | alan|home | ok, then i guess that means i can install mplayer from 3.5.4 feed, right ? |
| 11:44.06 | alan|home | you know what ? for once, let's play with the stable release ^^ |
| 11:44.47 | hrw|work | you can |
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| 11:51.22 | alan|home | how strange... there seems to be no mplayer-atty in any feed... |
| 11:53.27 | hrw|work | get it manually from 3.5.4/machine/c7x0/ |
| 11:56.26 | alan|home | mmm... sorry hrw|work, but it looks like it is not there... (yet i admitt i need a nap, all my excuses if i'm wrong) |
| 11:57.19 | hrw|work | ./upgrades/machine/c7x0/mplayer-atty_1.1.5-r4_c7x0.ipk |
| 11:57.21 | hrw|work | sorry |
| 11:58.01 | hrw|work | I know that I added that but though that it was in machine/c7x0/ and it is in upgrades/machine/c7x0/ |
| 11:59.47 | AlexTe | I need testers for japanese input methods and apps, anyone ? |
| 12:00.14 | alan|home | ho. ok, thank you. |
| 12:00.55 | alan|home | AlexTe: give me 10 years to learn japaneese, then i help you ;] |
| 12:01.43 | AlexTe | alan|home well I dont know much about japanese, just trying to use the Z as a learning tool :) |
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| 12:09.09 | AlexTe | hrw|work : Do you plan to enable codecs in libqte for 3.5.4.1 ? The lib is 600K bigger so I suppose it's a problem to ship it by default for some devices ? |
| 12:09.27 | hrw|work | AlexTe: after 3.5.4.1 |
| 12:12.01 | alan|xchat | do you mean for 3.5.4.1.1 ? |
| 12:12.22 | alan|xchat | (-_-)''' |
| 12:12.28 | hrw|work | no - upgrade for 3.5.4.1 |
| 12:12.35 | hrw|work | alan|xchat: 3.5.4, 3.5.4.1, 3.5.4.2 |
| 12:12.53 | alan|xchat | i'll never understand that... |
| 12:13.16 | hrw|work | alan|xchat: 3.5.4 == release |
| 12:13.22 | hrw|work | 3.5.4.1 == subrelease |
| 12:13.29 | hrw|work | 3.5.4.2 == another subrelease |
| 12:13.41 | hrw|work | all 3.5.4.x are compatible with 3.5.4 and use it feed |
| 12:13.55 | alan|xchat | you make huge steps from a release to another, and the numbering doesn't follow this evolution... |
| 12:14.09 | alan|xchat | you guys are too modest... |
| 12:15.22 | hrw|work | alan|xchat: 3.5.4.1 is not so big step from 3.5.4 |
| 12:15.36 | hrw|work | its new kernel (with lot of extras) + fixes |
| 12:16.07 | alan|xchat | to me, it's more about 3.5.4 that would have deserved beeing called 3.6... maybe 4, in fast... |
| 12:16.18 | alan|xchat | in fact* |
| 12:16.44 | alan|xchat | but hey, that is not important, after all... |
| 12:19.52 | AlexTe | what's the correct way to ask for new apps to be included ? I have a couple of patches and bb files. (which wont work with current libqte anyway) |
| 12:20.15 | XorA | bugs.openembedded.org |
| 12:20.49 | hrw|work | XorA: you have amd64 build? |
| 12:20.59 | XorA | hrw|work: yes |
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| 12:24.12 | magnet | re |
| 12:24.17 | hrw|work | re magnet |
| 12:24.49 | magnet | I have some troubles with my SD card reader, i'll try to install new hostap module this evening. |
| 12:25.45 | hrw|work | ok |
| 12:46.27 | AlexTe | how do I build a machine-dependent package for another machine that my bb is currently configured for ? Just change MACHINE= and it wont mess my tree ? |
| 12:48.18 | AlexTe | basically, I want to built libqte with codecs for a tester owning a collie, but I'm using akita |
| 12:49.58 | alan|home | AlexTe: you may want to use a new working directory, as the collie targetted ipk will overwrite the akita one (not sure about that, though) |
| 12:52.16 | AlexTe | the name is libqte2_2.3.10-r33_akita.ipk so it wont be overwritten |
| 12:54.44 | alan|home | good |
| 12:55.26 | alan|home | then, i don't see how it can mess your installation, but i'm not the best person to talk about that... |
| 12:55.54 | alan|home | good news : ipod videos work right out of the box with mplayer-atty |
| 12:56.11 | XorA | alan|home: cool, whats the xres/yres of an ipod video? |
| 12:56.54 | alan|home | 320 x 240 |
| 12:57.38 | alan|home | tested with http://www.ipodfanatic.com/conduit_download/download_video.php?idvideo=51 |
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| 13:04.20 | alan|home | XorA: you can't use mad, by the way |
| 13:09.21 | alan|home | ok, let's add a 30gig hard drive and a cool interface, and let's kill apple's market (^^) |
| 13:10.48 | alan|home | by the way, you should try magnatune.com if you want some good alternative music |
| 13:11.21 | XorA | alan|home: oh, I meant to send of a changeset to fix the whole mad thing, ill do it when I get back |
| 13:11.38 | alan|home | ok |
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| 13:12.55 | XorA | alan|home: what codec that runs at a decent speed? |
| 13:14.03 | alan|home | for audio or video ? |
| 13:14.08 | XorA | audio |
| 13:14.18 | alan|home | mmm... good question... |
| 13:14.54 | alan|home | i think mp3 is good, as long as the video is not 30fps... |
| 13:15.27 | XorA | alan|home: ah I see that video is AAC audio |
| 13:16.07 | alan|home | mmm... aac is quite hard to decode iirc... |
| 13:16.33 | alan|home | maybe i should try another clip than an anime one... |
| 13:16.46 | alan|home | let's try superman returns trailer |
| 13:16.51 | XorA | alan|home: I tried that moby one you posted |
| 13:16.59 | XorA | alan|home: runs far too slow |
| 13:17.05 | alan|home | Oo ? |
| 13:17.52 | alan|home | it was a bit slow from time to time... but not for more than 2seconds... |
| 13:19.56 | lardman|work | XorA: Is this with overclocking on too? |
| 13:20.05 | alan|home | i used your script (using w100), XorA |
| 13:20.49 | XorA | alan|home: ah, I think something must have been running in background |
| 13:22.00 | alan|home | mmm... trying with superman returns trailer... unplayable... |
| 13:22.56 | alan|home | dam... |
| 13:24.16 | XorA | alan|home: we need http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=32051 |
| 13:27.23 | alan|home | XorA: is that something that can be ported ? |
| 13:28.05 | XorA | alan|home: I hope so |
| 13:36.17 | alan|home | mmm... ok, so now we found something that OZ misses... a good multimedia interface for GPE. Something a bit like Rhythmbox, but with a mplayer-atty controling part |
| 13:36.46 | alan|home | any idea where i could find someone who could write such a thing ? |
| 13:43.11 | XorA | you :-D |
| 13:43.56 | hrw|work | vlc-gpe? |
| 13:44.29 | lardman|work | gxine? |
| 13:45.42 | alan|home | XorA: come on, you know i can't even code anything else than a latex book... |
| 13:45.48 | hrw|work | vlc-gpe is in feed |
| 13:45.51 | hrw|work | gxine is not iirc |
| 13:45.56 | lardman|work | oh |
| 13:46.10 | alan|home | hrw|work: vlc is a wonderfull toy, but the interface sucks... |
| 13:46.11 | lardman|work | it used to compile okay |
| 13:46.32 | lardman|work | With that said, mplayer is a better player imo |
| 13:46.49 | alan|home | in my opinion, opie media player is what is required on a pda. |
| 13:47.04 | alan|home | i mean the GUI part |
| 13:47.15 | alan|home | something like that on GPE would be great |
| 13:48.03 | lardman|work | indeed, but that wraps xine too iirc |
| 13:48.41 | lardman|work | What do pdaX use for music & video? |
| 13:48.42 | alan|home | possible... |
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| 13:48.50 | alan|home | mplayer |
| 13:48.59 | lardman|work | with a frontend? |
| 13:49.31 | alan|home | when i still used pdaxrom, i didn't have anything more than xmms gmplayer |
| 13:49.51 | alan|home | xmms and* gmplayer |
| 13:50.11 | lardman|work | xmms uses gtk1 which is why it's not available |
| 13:50.15 | XorA | alan|home: I may have a fix for ipod files, just testing |
| 13:50.24 | alan|home | XorA: great |
| 13:50.32 | XorA | lardman|work: xmms dont work on our kdrive |
| 13:50.58 | lardman|work | XorA: I see |
| 13:51.00 | XorA | bmp is on OE, but again doesnt work with our kdrivbe |
| 13:51.11 | lardman|work | the colour depth is too great |
| 13:51.14 | XorA | lardman|work: they both fsck up over 16/24bit pixels |
| 13:51.19 | lardman|work | indeed |
| 13:51.22 | hrw|work | bmp is obsolete |
| 13:51.28 | hrw|work | bmpx is future of it |
| 13:51.45 | XorA | hrw|work: whatever the name is this week :-) |
| 13:51.46 | alan|home | i keep thinking mplayer's engine is suitable, but it would need a frontend for video and audio part |
| 13:51.46 | lardman|work | So what's the ideal? mplayer beats everything else for video playback in my experience |
| 13:52.11 | XorA | someone do a 320x240 and a 640x480 mplayer gui |
| 13:53.08 | hrw|work | kino2? |
| 13:53.18 | lardman|work | that's qtopia though? |
| 13:53.22 | hrw|work | yep |
| 13:53.29 | lardman|work | Though it would be good to make that available for Opie |
| 13:53.37 | lardman|work | hrw|work: we were mainly commenting on GPE |
| 13:53.45 | XorA | kino2 uses libsl.so heavilly |
| 13:54.37 | lardman|work | XorA: I thought that was only for the file dialog? |
| 13:55.01 | hrw|work | I know ;) |
| 13:55.50 | lardman|work | mplayer frontends: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/projects.html |
| 13:56.24 | lardman|work | A couple of python gtk2 versions there |
| 13:57.48 | alan|home | http://gtkplayerembed.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:58.23 | alan|home | could that be used ? |
| 13:58.40 | alan|home | using python would use machine ressources, right ? |
| 13:59.07 | lardman|work | yes, but it's supposed to be reasonably lightweight |
| 13:59.19 | alan|home | ok |
| 13:59.19 | lardman|work | that link you gave is just for a widget, it would need an app written around it |
| 13:59.43 | alan|home | lardman|work: ok. |
| 14:00.02 | lardman|work | though it could just be a very simple one... |
| 14:03.36 | alan|home | something like a file brower, a movie window and a play/stop/fullscreen button ? |
| 14:04.08 | alan|home | wonder how hard to write something like that would be... |
| 14:04.33 | XorA | alan|home: glade+a little code should do it |
| 14:04.52 | alan|home | XorA: what is glade ? |
| 14:05.08 | XorA | alan|home: gtk+ designer |
| 14:05.14 | alan|home | mmmm |
| 14:05.16 | XorA | alan|home: makes interfaces easy |
| 14:05.45 | alan|home | easy, easy... each thing i relative... |
| 14:07.07 | alan|home | hey, it looks like VisualBasic ! |
| 14:07.29 | alan|home | i tried some VB some time ago... |
| 14:07.33 | XorA | alan|home: links to ipod superman trailer? |
| 14:08.42 | alan|home | MI3 will do ? |
| 14:08.44 | alan|home | http://www.ipodfanatic.com/conduit_download/download_video.php?idvideo=46 |
| 14:10.41 | alan|home | found ! http://images.apple.com/movies/wb/superman_returns/superman_returns-tlr2_p320.m4v.zip |
| 14:14.22 | lardman|work | 12Mb, that's quite large |
| 14:14.28 | XorA | alan|home: mi3 824% cpu usage |
| 14:14.49 | alan|home | fouch... |
| 14:14.57 | XorA | alan|home: 810% without audio |
| 14:15.04 | alan|home | mouarf... |
| 14:15.11 | lardman|work | XorA: 810% ?? |
| 14:16.58 | XorA | alan|home: can you do mplayer -vc null -vo null /media/cf/moby.mp4 and tell me percentage |
| 14:17.00 | alan|home | 808% for superman... then why does mobby work ? |
| 14:17.04 | alan|home | ok |
| 14:17.42 | XorA | im guessing ipod has some hardware for mpeg4 decoding |
| 14:17.54 | XorA | alan|home: mine is sitting about 16% |
| 14:18.13 | lardman|work | XorA: Take a look at rockbox.org, they should have a technical description |
| 14:18.42 | alan|home | XorA: 17% |
| 14:19.22 | XorA | alan|home: so fixed/floating libfaad in mplayer makes no difference |
| 14:19.39 | XorA | alan|home: its purely the format of the mp4 video thats the problem |
| 14:21.59 | alan|home | looks like you are right |
| 14:22.13 | XorA | alan|home: ahah, moby is ffodivx codec, mi3 is ffh264 codec |
| 14:22.22 | alan|home | haaaa |
| 14:22.32 | XorA | so we can surmise h264 doesnt play well on Z |
| 14:22.35 | alan|home | how did you figure that out ? |
| 14:22.52 | XorA | Selected video codec: [ffodivx] vfm:ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4) |
| 14:23.11 | alan|home | of course... |
| 14:23.30 | lardman|work | doesn't plat at all on my Nokia 770, so count yourselves lucky ;) |
| 14:23.37 | lardman|work | s/plat/play |
| 14:23.44 | alan|home | hehe |
| 14:24.42 | alan|home | XorA: that is too bad... |
| 14:25.00 | XorA | lardman|work: does anything real play on a n770, sites I saw were very disparaging about its video capabilities |
| 14:25.38 | lardman|work | XorA: It needs avis basically, but can also play realmedia stuff which is good |
| 14:29.50 | lardman|work | seems a bti picky about encodings though in the .avi which is a real pita |
| 14:30.22 | XorA | lardman|work: :-( |
| 14:31.21 | lardman|work | XorA: Yes, but it will run mplayer (without the dsp), so it just needs people to write dsp plugins (though there's not much info around atm about how to interface with gstreamer which is a pain) |
| 14:31.38 | hrw|work | NOTE: package linux-openzaurus-2.6.16-r24: task do_patch: completed |
| 14:31.39 | hrw|work | uf. |
| 14:32.36 | alan|home | see you |
| 14:33.09 | lardman|work | bye alan |
| 14:33.42 | lardman|work | XorA: Perhaps 'just' is an understatement, but it sounds interesting (as and when some more info becomes available) |
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| 14:43.12 | hrw|work | Encrypted VOB file! Read DOCS/HTML/en/dvd.html. |
| 14:43.18 | hrw|work | lots of them on mi3 trailer ;( |
| 14:43.33 | hrw|work | Cache fill: 5.96% (499712 bytes) AVI: Missing video stream!? Contact the author, it may be a bug :( |
| 14:43.37 | hrw|work | ISO: Unknown File Type Major Brand: M4V |
| 14:45.42 | XorA | hrw|work: what player is that? |
| 14:46.49 | hrw|work | mplayer 1.0pre7 from 3.5.4 |
| 14:47.08 | XorA | hrw|work: something wierd happened there then :-) |
| 14:50.21 | hrw|work | installing mplayer-atty |
| 14:51.02 | lardman|work | what are the deps for mplayer-atty? |
| 14:51.20 | lardman|work | actually, I should have it somewhere, so ignore that question |
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| 14:55.44 | hrw|work | mplayer-atty plays |
| 14:56.13 | hrw|work | VO: [fbdev] 320x136 => 320x136 BGR 16-bit |
| 14:56.13 | hrw|work | V: 2.2 55/ 55 675% 49% 0.0% 0 0 99% |
| 14:58.15 | hrw|work | fscking slow it is |
| 14:58.43 | hrw|work | 832% |
| 14:59.05 | hrw|work | now with -vo w100 trying |
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| 15:29.15 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 15:29.21 | hrw|work | hi CoreDump|home |
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| 15:43.15 | ade|desk | anyone got abiword to work from the unstable feed ? |
| 15:50.15 | XorA | ade|desk: you running clearlooks theme? |
| 15:51.33 | ade|desk | XorA: yup |
| 15:51.51 | XorA | ade|desk: then dont :-) |
| 15:52.08 | XorA | ade|desk: clearlooks gtk engine 2.6.X crashes abiword, fixed in 2.8.X |
| 15:52.40 | ade|desk | ah . ok |
| 15:53.09 | ade|desk | great much better |
| 15:55.33 | ade|desk | maybe i should lose some disk to oz oe.dev again |
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| 16:37.42 | Laibsch | Maybe this is related to the extreme problems I was having (bug 944). Is it by design that ejecting a CF card apparently does sync it nor does it unmount it? |
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| 16:46.17 | CoreDump|home | well, if you pull the card, it will probably forced to umount. |
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| 16:56.07 | Laibsch | CoreDump|home: But possibly disastrous consequences. |
| 16:56.23 | Laibsch | I updated bug 944 and I think I understand what led to my grief. |
| 16:56.46 | Laibsch | I think there should be some improvements to prevent this from happening to other OZ users. |
| 16:58.03 | CoreDump|home | right |
| 17:00.05 | Laibsch | Apparently, there is no correlation to what the GUI shows and what mount shows (the real situation). umount'ing still shows the card being ready to be ejected :-( |
| 17:00.19 | Laibsch | The same thing the other way round. |
| 17:04.34 | raduga | laibsch: i have one small anecdote to share with you, if you're interested. |
| 17:04.52 | raduga | i have a 512mb CF flash card; its been very reliable, and very good, for the last two years. |
| 17:05.04 | raduga | two days ago, it started acting flaky, and losing data, |
| 17:05.08 | raduga | and being unreliable. |
| 17:05.20 | Laibsch | well, that is of course always possible. |
| 17:05.31 | Laibsch | But usually, I go with simple explanations. |
| 17:05.47 | raduga | it started this on 2.4.crapplix/pdaXrom, continued it on 2.6/pdaXrom, and continues to be flaky in 2.6/OpenZaurus |
| 17:06.03 | Laibsch | Maybe you can try and verify what I wrote about failure to umount in bug 944? I think this is a software, not a hardware issue. |
| 17:06.32 | raduga | laibsch: a coincidence, but it *started* behaving badly, the very moment that I copied the pdaXrom beta4 system over the network, to it. |
| 17:11.19 | Laibsch | raduga: I think my problems at least came from a verifiable software error. |
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| 18:06.11 | simcop2387 | raduga: could always do an fsck on it, maybe something happened, if nothing shows up, back it up and check for bad blocks |
| 18:07.34 | raduga | simcop: i try same thing... 5 times. 4 times out of 5, no problems. |
| 18:07.49 | raduga | simcop: out of 10 fsck's, twice showed up with problem. |
| 18:07.54 | simcop2387 | hmm |
| 18:08.08 | raduga | simcop: different conditions each time, so hard to be sure |
| 18:08.26 | raduga | simcop: maybe hw failure, maybe not, but i would like to eliminate the possibility |
| 18:08.27 | simcop2387 | have you tried checking for bad blcks with badblocks on another linux machine (e.g. different card reader) |
| 18:08.32 | raduga | simcop: yes |
| 18:08.39 | raduga | no problems detected so far |
| 18:08.42 | simcop2387 | hmm |
| 18:08.51 | raduga | i hope its the card, and not the CF port :D |
| 18:09.02 | simcop2387 | try reformatting it then and see what happens, maybe it'll work again |
| 18:09.11 | raduga | eh. i have reformatted it. |
| 18:09.18 | raduga | occasionally bad. |
| 18:09.19 | simcop2387 | got any other cf cards? |
| 18:09.35 | raduga | yes, i'm not seeing problems with other cards, |
| 18:09.46 | raduga | but its sporadic enough that I can't be really sure |
| 18:09.52 | raduga | annoying, yes |
| 18:10.01 | simcop2387 | i'd guess its the card then only extensive tests would find out for sure |
| 18:11.54 | simcop2387 | you said its 2 years old now? if its been used alot it could be worn out flash, have you done a write test for badblocks? |
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| 18:12.50 | raduga | simcop: not a lot of use; if its worn out, I'm going to guess it could be defective :) |
| 18:13.00 | simcop2387 | yea |
| 18:13.17 | raduga | but, multiple possibilities. *might* be dirty, *might* have poor contacts |
| 18:13.42 | raduga | I will feel better with a new card; then send this one for more extensive testing |
| 18:13.48 | simcop2387 | yea |
| 18:14.02 | simcop2387 | too bad there isn't something like memtest86 for flash devices |
| 18:14.34 | simcop2387 | at least i've never seen nor looked :) |
| 18:15.04 | raduga | at 1gb for $30, or 2gb for $60, its hardly worth the time invested in "fixing" |
| 18:15.10 | raduga | (card is 512mb) |
| 18:15.35 | raduga | simcop: i'm not sure I'd *want* a write intensive memtest86 |
| 18:15.54 | raduga | brickbake86 :) |
| 18:15.57 | simcop2387 | probably not but if you think its bad you'd be more willing to try :) |
| 18:16.42 | raduga | well, intensively writing to it, if performed rigorously, will only *prove* that its bad :) |
| 18:16.50 | AlexTe | just dd the card with zeros will normally fix it. If there are bad blocks there are supposed to be reallocated with spares ones |
| 18:17.07 | AlexTe | It's definetely dead when there are no more spare blocks |
| 18:17.17 | raduga | alexte: ok. i'll try that. |
| 18:47.53 | JustinP | hrw: any e-images? |
| 18:49.55 | hrw | JustinP: will build them this time |
| 18:52.30 | JustinP | :-) |
| 18:52.45 | JustinP | I'm actually almost ready to push another set of updates.....just trying to test now |
| 18:53.04 | JustinP | dev is still fubar for me, they build but X seems to hang |
| 18:53.11 | JustinP | so I'm testing in oz354x |
| 18:54.23 | hrw | ok |
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| 19:16.22 | JustinP | hrw: entrance is going to fail building...I forgot to commit a patch |
| 19:17.59 | hrw | I'm at glibc now ;) |
| 19:19.38 | JustinP | hrw: ok. I;ll test my new versions and push if they work...halfway to getting them done now... |
| 19:20.03 | hrw | ok |
| 19:20.27 | hrw | WPA is funny |
| 19:21.10 | hrw | iwconfig wlan0 |
| 19:21.14 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.27 | hrw | and I have WPA2 now |
| 19:21.48 | JustinP | hmm |
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| 19:46.46 | hobbs | hrw: collie_ssp is dealing with the external audio and collie_tc35143af is the buzzer, right? |
| 19:47.06 | hrw | dont know |
| 19:47.12 | hrw | bbl - have to reboot... |
| 19:47.12 | hobbs | okay |
| 20:22.42 | AlexTe | What are the key names for "ok" and "enter", or how can I get them ? (opie) |
| 20:23.12 | AlexTe | is there a tool similar to xev, for opie ? |
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| 20:52.45 | hvontres | Any News on How CoreDump is doing with his new poodle and 2.6? |
| 20:55.00 | AlexTe | hvontres : check the wiki : http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/kernel-26-on-poodle-status-page/ |
| 20:57.50 | hvontres | Thanks. That wasn't there yesterday :) |
| 20:59.06 | AlexTe | right ;) |
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| 21:01.13 | hobbs | I got collie buzzer dsp driver working, and it's about 90% of the way to having /dev/sharp_buz compatibility as well |
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| 21:17.20 | JoeSchmo | Does anyone have a keymap for a Zaurus SL-C3000? |
| 21:31.03 | JustinP | JoeSchmo: OZ already has one, of course |
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| 21:56.25 | AlexTe | my opie console has a weird problem : http://vbone.net/console.png |
| 21:56.42 | AlexTe | cursor is 3 characters wide and there are strange spaces |
| 21:57.12 | JustinP | AlexTe: try rotating, then unrotating |
| 21:58.41 | AlexTe | did not help |
| 21:59.06 | JustinP | was just aguess |
| 21:59.10 | AlexTe | the problem only appears after I go in the "configure profiles" menu |
| 21:59.17 | JustinP | ah |
| 21:59.20 | JustinP | try changing the font |
| 22:01.57 | AlexTe | same problem with any font |
| 22:02.13 | AlexTe | this is my opie-console-profiles.conf : http://pastebin.com/714318 |
| 22:03.40 | JustinP | AlexTe: sorry, I don't know.... |
| 22:04.15 | AlexTe | well thanks for having a look |
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| 22:06.32 | KarlsBerg | Hello |
| 22:06.42 | KarlsBerg | have a problem, think that is a bug |
| 22:06.49 | KarlsBerg | i have OZ 3.5.4 |
| 22:06.51 | KarlsBerg | con collie |
| 22:06.55 | KarlsBerg | on* |
| 22:07.22 | KarlsBerg | before, i enable "use big pixmaps" of apearance menu |
| 22:07.37 | KarlsBerg | and dont get changes |
| 22:09.28 | KarlsBerg | later i reboot my zaurus, and run the configuration wizard of the start auto :0, and the icons and all is more big,.. i join to appearance menu to disable "use big bixmaps" but the checkbox not are enable... |
| 22:10.07 | KarlsBerg | my appearance (icons, text and all) are changed and cant fix or edit appearance config, dont save at push ok, but dont get any error |
| 22:10.21 | KarlsBerg | how i can fix this ? editing config file? |
| 22:10.30 | KarlsBerg | dorry, my english is too bad :-/ |
| 22:10.34 | KarlsBerg | sorry* |
| 22:15.36 | AlexTe | looks like I have the same kind of problem on akita, I'm stuck with tiny icons |
| 22:24.26 | JoeSchmo | JustinP, i'm using OZ right now but hoping to get away from it, and i'm looking to compile one into my kernel |
| 22:26.02 | KarlsBerg | not exist solution ? |
| 22:26.21 | KarlsBerg | other flash ? buaah x_D |
| 22:26.31 | KarlsBerg | the 5ยบ flash of the day |
| 22:29.17 | AlexTe | KarlsBerg have you tried to change big icon size and small icon size ? |
| 22:29.44 | JustinP | JoeSchmo: get away from it? |
| 22:30.20 | KarlsBerg | AlexTe, yes buy dont save any config |
| 22:30.28 | KarlsBerg | but* |
| 22:30.42 | AlexTe | I think you have to restart opie for changes to take effect |
| 22:30.51 | JoeSchmo | JustinP, i don't really like the structure of OZ |
| 22:31.07 | JustinP | JoeSchmo: what about it? |
| 22:31.10 | KarlsBerg | anybody know what file save the appearance config of Opie ? |
| 22:31.20 | JustinP | JoeSchmo: you have a normal keymap in /etc/keymap-2.6 IIRC |
| 22:31.36 | JustinP | /etc/keymap-2.6.map |
| 22:31.47 | KarlsBerg | need try disable use bix bixmaps |
| 22:31.56 | JoeSchmo | it's just a habbit of building all my linux systems from source, it grows on you to have all the control from the start |
| 22:32.17 | JustinP | JoeSchmo: sure, which is why I like Gentoo for my desktop. But what's the matter with OZ? |
| 22:32.17 | AlexTe | KarlsBerg /home/root/Settings/qpe.conf |
| 22:32.43 | KarlsBerg | but is a bug my pproblem ? |
| 22:32.43 | JoeSchmo | dislike the gui |
| 22:32.44 | JustinP | JoeSchmo: BTW, the build system for OZ is OE and it's entirely open and free for you to use yourself. I *highly* recommend you use it, it already has lots of work in it |
| 22:32.51 | JoeSchmo | too complex |
| 22:32.53 | JustinP | JoeSchmo: which one? Opie? |
| 22:32.56 | JoeSchmo | yea |
| 22:33.02 | JustinP | Opie too complex? |
| 22:33.06 | JustinP | what do you plan to use? |
| 22:33.10 | JustinP | have you tried GPE? |
| 22:33.38 | JoeSchmo | i'm planning on trying gpe |
| 22:33.47 | JustinP | GPE is good |
| 22:33.50 | KarlsBerg | AlexTe, |
| 22:33.52 | KarlsBerg | i have |
| 22:33.59 | KarlsBerg | qpeconf.new |
| 22:34.07 | KarlsBerg | qpe.conf.new |
| 22:35.18 | AlexTe | no qpe.conf then ? |
| 22:35.38 | JustinP | JoeSchmo: if you want something pretty try e17 ;-) |
| 22:35.45 | JustinP | JoeSchmo: oh, BTW, OE = OpenEmbedded |
| 22:36.09 | KarlsBerg | AlexTe, no |
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| 22:36.18 | AlexTe | hey is e17 available for akita ? |
| 22:36.31 | KarlsBerg | and the qpe.conf.new have a good size of icons |
| 22:36.41 | KarlsBerg | not the actual size |
| 22:36.55 | AlexTe | KarlsBerg well try renaming qpe.conf.new to qpe.conf |
| 22:36.56 | JoeSchmo | JustinP, i just might |
| 22:37.30 | KarlsBerg | AlexTe, other info |
| 22:37.34 | KarlsBerg | i have a image file |
| 22:37.40 | KarlsBerg | with altbot on SD |
| 22:37.43 | KarlsBerg | altboot |
| 22:38.04 | JustinP | AlexTe: it should work on all of the higher res clamshells |
| 22:38.16 | JustinP | AlexTe: AFAIK no official e images have been built yet, though |
| 22:38.26 | JustinP | AlexTe: hrw told me he's build e images for RC3 :-) |
| 22:38.40 | KarlsBerg | on /dev/ROM what files save? |
| 22:38.42 | KarlsBerg | with altboot |
| 22:38.49 | JoeSchmo | i'm actualy suprised there isn't any kind of general ootloader for this thing |
| 22:38.56 | JustinP | JoeSchmo: altboot |
| 22:39.02 | KarlsBerg | no this home/hoot have a qpe.conf with very lines, and on the other only 4-5 lines |
| 22:39.18 | JustinP | there is only the Sharp bootloader.... no one has tried to hack their own |
| 22:39.24 | JoeSchmo | JoeSchmo, thanks, suprised i didn't find it when i was googling |
| 22:39.39 | JustinP | but altboot makes things very nice :-) |
| 22:39.53 | JustinP | and with kexec you can even boot new kernels ^_^ |
| 22:40.05 | JoeSchmo | yea, i'm probably going to be doing a lot of kernel work and don't want to keep re-flashing |
| 22:41.22 | JustinP | JoeSchmo: kexec is for you then |
| 22:41.36 | JustinP | JoeSchmo: the newest (.dev) versions fo altboot also have some kexec support, although I haven't tried it yet |
| 22:41.49 | JustinP | JoeSchmo: I just created my own altboot menu items to kexec specific kernels for me |
| 22:42.20 | JustinP | JoeSchmo: also, if you're going to do kernel work, please coordinate with RP, he's the guy doing most (all) of the 2.6 kernel work for the clamshells |
| 22:42.21 | JoeSchmo | ah, cool, just curious, what kernel version are you running |
| 22:42.33 | JustinP | 2.6.16 with lots of patches by RP |
| 22:42.37 | JustinP | the OZ version ;-) |
| 22:42.51 | JoeSchmo | ok, i just cross-compiled 2.6.16 but i'll go search for some patches |
| 22:43.16 | JustinP | JoeSchmo: OE will build it for you ;-) OE also build the toolchain for you. I highly recommend using it, as I said before ;-) |
| 22:43.24 | JoeSchmo | my config is prety much defconfig_spitz |
| 22:43.29 | JustinP | ah |
| 22:43.34 | JoeSchmo | my toolchain is prety basic |
| 22:43.37 | JoeSchmo | based on cross-lfs |
| 22:44.23 | JustinP | I just let OE do the heavy lifting |
| 22:46.27 | JustinP | JoeSchmo: /join #oe && http://openembedded.org |
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| 23:23.01 | KarlsBerg | a question |
| 23:23.39 | KarlsBerg | for console mode exist a bin file nooo ? |
| 23:25.07 | KarlsBerg | bootstrap ? |
| 23:25.56 | KarlsBerg | and later can install a rootfs on sd with qt image? |
| 23:26.11 | KarlsBerg | opie image sorry |
| 23:35.07 | JoeSchmo | alright, i have a zaurus question in general, i flashed my kernel onto it, and it doesn't do anything when i turn it on, but now when i goto flash OZ back onto it, i can get to the service menu and choose all the options, but when i hit Y on the last dialog it just does nothing |
| 23:35.12 | JoeSchmo | did i create a brick? |
| 23:44.51 | *** join/#openzaurus synth (n=cb@c-71-203-15-223.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 23:49.00 | JustinP | JoeSchmo: fun. Try restoring NAND |
| 23:49.21 | JustinP | JoeSchmo: your kernel image was probably too large and you overwrote something |
| 23:49.41 | JoeSchmo | hmm, how would i go about that? |
| 23:50.47 | JoeSchmo | i don't mean to be annoying, i just don't know a lot about the under the hood stuff yet |
| 23:53.59 | JoeSchmo | thanks for the hint though, i |
| 23:54.04 | JoeSchmo | i'll look into it |
| 23:59.43 | *** part/#openzaurus hvontres (n=hvontres@redhill.orthodyne.com) |
