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04:25.28 | tanq | i neeed to get an sd reader for my box. |
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06:23.22 | jtd | Any of you guys use snes9x on your Z? |
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08:59.51 | YoG | hi, can someone help me setting wireless network with wep (I can use it without wep). Im using WCF12 on the zaurus side |
09:00.59 | hrw|work | opie and gpe has network settings which works for wep |
09:01.36 | YoG | I'm using opie. what setting am I suppose to use (on both sides) for it to work? |
09:02.00 | YoG | btw: OZ3.5.4 |
09:02.27 | hrw|work | settings/network - select wlan0 - configure - enter keys |
09:03.05 | YoG | so I did, it refuses to connect. what encryption to use 64/128/256? |
09:03.23 | hrw|work | ascii keys or hex keys? |
09:03.28 | YoG | ascii |
09:03.44 | YoG | should it ne hex? |
09:03.50 | YoG | should it be hex? |
09:04.30 | hrw|work | "s:ascii" or "hex" |
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09:06.53 | YoG | sorry, changed the settings in the router and it rebooted.... |
09:07.13 | YoG | so I missed your answer... |
09:10.05 | YoG | didn't get your answer about the HEX keys, but after changing it to HEX it works... |
09:10.18 | YoG | So thanx for helping |
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09:12.15 | hrw|work | 19 11:04 < hrw|work> "s:ascii" or "hex" |
09:12.15 | hrw|work | 19 11:04 * hrw|work used only hex ones |
09:12.19 | hrw|work | hi CoreDump|home |
09:12.25 | CoreDump|home | morning |
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09:49.24 | CoreDump|home | Anyone here w/ a PXA255 Poodle? |
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10:16.46 | alan|home | morning all |
10:17.13 | CoreDump|home | hi alan|home |
10:32.14 | CoreDump|home | I apears to be almost impossible to find a nand backup for a PXA255 poodle grrr |
10:33.10 | hrw|work | not so popular |
10:33.20 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: pxa250 nand does not work? |
10:33.30 | CoreDump|home | no :\ |
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10:39.24 | lardman|work | hello everyone |
10:39.40 | CoreDump|home | hi lardman|work |
10:43.15 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: contacted trisoft? |
10:43.26 | CoreDump|home | they never sold poodles = |
10:43.27 | CoreDump|home | =) |
10:43.44 | hrw|work | ah.. |
10:50.18 | lardman|work | CoreDump: Have you tried posting asking for a NAND backup in the 5x00 section of oesf? I see someone else got a reply and a NAND off-line |
10:52.40 | CoreDump|home | heh, just found that thread |
11:05.37 | lardman|work | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19347&st=30&p=127729& |
11:05.49 | lardman|work | It's obviously still difiicult for people to get started using OE |
11:06.32 | lardman|work | If anyone fanices writing some step-by-step instructions (with example local.confs for different machines), that would be useful for the oz wiki (or oe wiki) |
11:17.03 | YoG | I have a script in rcS.d I don't want to run, can I just delete it? |
11:17.22 | CoreDump|home | YoG: yes |
11:18.12 | YoG | and if it messes my startup sequence is there some "rescue" terminal i can get into during bootup? |
11:19.13 | lardman|work | Not during bootup, but from the flashing menu, yes |
11:19.39 | YoG | can you tell me how? |
11:21.17 | CoreDump|home | use altboots "init=/bin/sh" to recover |
11:23.38 | YoG | how do i get to the terminal from the flashing menu? (I know how to get to the flashing menu according to the howto on openzaurus.org) |
11:28.39 | YoG | got to go, thanx anyway |
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13:29.42 | lardman|work | bronson: How goes it? |
13:30.17 | lardman|work | bronson: I think we should provide some step-by-step setup and compiling instructions on the wiki for the specific OZ machines |
13:30.36 | bronson | lardman|work, it goes... super busy lately. |
13:30.44 | bronson | I agree. |
13:30.59 | lardman|work | bronson: me too, not much time for anything other than work this month |
13:31.13 | bronson | I've been meaning to whack together some MediaWiki templates to help out. |
13:31.49 | lardman|work | The wiki seems to be getting additions, though I've not logged into see at just what rate |
13:31.49 | bronson | Stuff like <todo>Add Spitz instructions here</todo> so that others can come along later and fill in. |
13:31.49 | lardman|work | Yep |
13:31.54 | bronson | It's about 2 pages/day. |
13:32.07 | lardman|work | That's not too bad |
13:32.08 | bronson | Not super fast but definitely respectable. |
13:32.48 | bronson | Tapering off a bit lately, probably because BerliOS still hasn't gotten a handle on their database machine. |
13:32.50 | lardman|work | This thread is my reasoning behind the detailed OE/bitbake instructions: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19347&hl= |
13:33.04 | lardman|work | yeah, it can be a bit slow at times |
13:33.19 | bronson | I'm going to set up a read-only mirror so that people can navigate faster. |
13:33.42 | lardman|work | okay |
13:34.16 | lardman|work | So many things I want to do, so little time |
13:34.18 | bronson | Actually, I think detailed OE/BB is the single biggest thing missing from the Wiki now. |
13:34.30 | bronson | A number of people have been asking for it. |
13:34.45 | bronson | Never enough round tuits... |
13:35.03 | lardman|work | Yep, I'd like to see example local.conf files for all machines, etc., so people don't have to read the docs and example files (easier for them to get going) |
13:35.25 | lardman|work | "Lowering the entry level" or some such saying ;) |
13:36.22 | lardman|work | This thread sums up quite nicely some of the issues oz has atm: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19319&pid=127717&st=0&#entry127717 |
13:36.42 | lardman|work | We need working GUI package managers, and work on a useful media player |
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13:41.10 | bronson | Amen. One thing I've noticed on my 5500 is that the number of packages just kills the machine. Takes forever to do anything in the package manager. |
13:41.29 | bronson | Wondering if moving the package list to a Sqlite database might improve things...? I haven't profiled it yet. |
13:41.41 | bronson | I think that's part of the reason everyone does things from the command line. |
13:42.28 | bronson | Hey! The graphics contest is over. Cool. Time to update the Wiki's look. |
13:42.59 | syn-pda | main reason is gui pkg manager locks up |
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14:20.32 | lardman|work | bronson: But yes, the number of packages doe make things difficult |
14:21.20 | lardman|work | bronson: Though it would require a re-write to make it significantly faster, although I do wonder whether the package files could be pre-parsed so that the GUI package managers could present lists immediately |
14:26.47 | lardman|work | Where on earth does one find the opie package manager in the opie cvs? |
14:27.38 | bronson | no idea; I've been using gpe. |
14:27.44 | lardman|work | Looks like florian is the main contributor for the gpe-packagemanger |
14:28.18 | bronson | pre-parsing sounds like it would take up some serious memory... |
14:28.32 | bronson | Might be worth a try. |
14:28.50 | lardman|work | Just do it once and save the list in a text file (withg just the name, not the other stuff) |
14:29.17 | lardman|work | Though I can't work out why it's so slow atm, unless it's because multiple same-name entries need to be handled |
14:30.17 | lardman|work | Finally: http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/opie/noncore/settings/packagemanager/ |
14:30.32 | lardman|work | and for GPE: http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gpe/base/gpe-package/ChangeLog |
14:31.06 | lardman|work | the old opie version: http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/opie/noncore/settings/aqpkg/ |
14:31.39 | lardman|work | Looks like drw is the chap to ask about the opie ones then |
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14:43.32 | tanq | lardman|work: do you know if there are test images out there for the 2.6 poodle updates? |
15:06.49 | jtd | gpe-package needs a lot of work. |
15:08.44 | bronson | jtd, why is it so slow? Have you investigated? |
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15:21.29 | jtd | it being what, bronson? |
15:21.43 | jtd | gpe-package? |
15:21.57 | bronson | Yes, the package manager. |
15:22.06 | bronson | gui package manager |
15:22.07 | jtd | It's not gpe-package's fault, it's ipkg. |
15:22.17 | bronson | That's what I thought. |
15:22.21 | jtd | Do an ipkg list and count how many seconds go by before it displays something. |
15:22.30 | jtd | On my C1000 it's 43 seconds. |
15:23.18 | jtd | gpe-package is kind of hugely broken anyway, though. |
15:23.52 | jtd | You can't select destinations, and to install anything or update your lists you have to go into a rootshell. |
15:24.25 | jtd | It SHOULD ask you for a password like the other apps that need root do. |
15:24.25 | jtd | (Crashing aside) |
15:27.58 | bronson | Is there any scripting language that can be used to write (or at the very least, prototype) GPE apps? |
15:29.39 | bronson | Seems like GPE productivity could go up quite a bit if little-used apps like gpe-package could be written in script rather than C. |
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15:32.44 | jtd | Perl/Gtk+? |
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15:32.50 | jtd | Python/Gtk+? |
15:33.20 | jtd | There's no perl in OZ, for some reason, but there sure is Python. |
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15:35.22 | tanq | ok what can i use to sync the pim with outlook |
15:35.22 | lardman|work | tanq: Best talk to CoreDump|afk about the poodle |
15:35.53 | lardman|work | tanq: But yes, there are some iirc |
15:36.47 | tanq | is there any non-freeware/non-opensource software out there that will do the job... my company won't let me install opensource software to sync the pim |
15:37.30 | lardman|work | tanq: Opie or GPE? |
15:37.33 | tanq | gpe |
15:37.47 | lardman|work | In that case, I doubt it |
15:38.09 | tanq | ok what are the options with opie |
15:38.19 | lardman|work | Unless the file format is the same as the Opie xml stuff, in which case you might be able to fool Intellisync |
15:38.26 | bronson | tanq, they allow non-opensource but not opensource?? |
15:38.33 | bronson | I can't fathom the logic behind that... |
15:38.42 | lardman|work | Intellisync or some Trolltech thing |
15:39.09 | tanq | yeah bronson it's red tape ... |
15:39.20 | tanq | they would have to eval the source code and every license buried in that |
15:39.37 | tanq | and it costs too much so they just won't do it. |
15:40.18 | jtd | that's absurd. |
15:40.39 | tanq | most people use palms/hps and have the OEM images. |
15:40.40 | jtd | if something is open-source, it's open-source. you can't "bury other licenses" inside it. that's why it's open-source. |
15:41.18 | tanq | well you can add your own license in it as long as it doesn't contradict with the other license if you reused code etc etc etc.. |
15:41.39 | jtd | well, yes. but if it doesn't contradict, I don't really see why your company would have an issue. |
15:41.44 | bronson | It's a heck of a lot easier to bury a trojan in a closed-source program than it is to bury a license in an open-source one. |
15:41.51 | jtd | bronson: hear hear |
15:42.04 | tanq | plus you don'te get indemnification with opensource software |
15:42.05 | jtd | tanq: which Z do you have? |
15:42.08 | tanq | 5600 |
15:42.20 | jtd | "indemnification?" |
15:42.32 | bronson | tanq, you don't with closed either. At least, not with any of the EULAs I've read. |
15:42.52 | bronson | owell, some firms just like to make things difficult. |
15:42.59 | jtd | I don't remember anything about that, and I used to be an IT purchasing guy. |
15:42.59 | tanq | bronson: beats me.. you're preaching to the choir.. |
15:43.04 | tanq | ;) |
15:43.14 | jtd | tanq: have you tried Qtopia Desktop? |
15:43.20 | jtd | I think there may be ways to get OZ to talk to it. |
15:43.24 | tanq | yeah i used that at one time at home.. |
15:44.00 | tanq | i'm not sure if they'll go for it |
15:44.19 | jtd | It's not OSS :/ |
15:44.58 | tanq | freeware then. |
15:45.19 | jtd | Qtopia Desktop isn't freeware either, though. |
15:45.26 | jtd | unless you're saying freeware is what you need. |
15:45.38 | jtd | (hasn't most freeware these days evolved into OSS anyway?) |
15:45.53 | lardman|work | Indeed Qtopia Desktop is one of the alternatives for Opie |
15:46.45 | tanq | i can't even find qtdesktop anymore.. |
15:46.46 | tanq | heh |
15:47.03 | tanq | been googling for a couple of minutes already to check the license |
15:47.49 | jtd | I can ISO-ize my CD and give it to you. I certainly don't care :/ |
15:48.03 | jtd | er. s/:\//:p/ |
15:51.03 | tanq | all i know is that I downloaded this a while back.. i've uninstalled it since then.. the only thing i can find with qt desktop is a dev environment |
15:51.34 | lardman|work | You can get it from the Sharp download site (the version that came with the old 2.38 'ROM's) |
15:51.39 | lardman|work | It should also be on oesf |
15:51.58 | lardman|work | Note that you need the older version of both this and Intellisync |
15:52.08 | lardman|work | if you want Intellisync that is |
15:53.58 | jtd | Intellisync makes your Z talk to Outlook, right? |
15:54.20 | lardman|work | Both Intellisync and Qtopia Desktop can do this I think |
15:54.49 | lardman|work | I only every used Intellisync, and that was a long long time ago. It may not work with recent versions of Outlook. ymmv |
16:00.53 | tanq | i wish the intellisync that came with the z worked |
16:01.08 | jtd | don't we all :) |
16:01.13 | jtd | there is opensync. |
16:01.21 | tanq | m/open/ |
16:01.23 | tanq | heh |
16:01.35 | jtd | www.opensync.org |
16:01.39 | tanq | yeah i've seen it.. |
16:01.45 | jtd | but, yes. |
16:01.57 | jtd | with the OSS FUD, and all that. |
16:02.05 | tanq | it would be nifty if it would at least communicate and drop the file for something else to pick up and parse |
16:02.12 | tanq | on the device |
16:02.40 | tanq | but i guess it would be easier to use anything else |
16:02.51 | tanq | oh well i have to go.. |
16:02.57 | jtd | later, tanq. |
16:03.29 | tanq | one last thing. is the alarm sound in the pim the same file that you use for clicks? |
16:03.47 | tanq | it sure sounds like it.. I thought there was a place in the gpe pim to change the alarm sound |
16:04.02 | jtd | I believe there is, but you got me as to where :) |
16:04.39 | tanq | ok....bbl |
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16:17.17 | lardman|work | ~lart oesf for still having connection problems |
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16:27.39 | hobbs | USPS says my Akita is about 5 miles away from my house |
16:41.32 | lardman|work | Cool :) |
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17:03.03 | lardman|work | have a nice weekend guys |
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18:29.53 | tanq | how much is the akita in usd |
18:30.34 | hobbs | tanq: I just got mine for $380 shipped |
18:30.38 | tanq | really |
18:30.48 | tanq | wow that is cheap compared to the 3xxx |
18:30.56 | hobbs | yeah |
18:30.58 | tanq | where did you get it from? |
18:31.15 | hobbs | pricejapan.com |
18:33.23 | tanq | heh... how convenient |
18:33.59 | tanq | the 3200 is 568 |
18:34.24 | hobbs | it really is. I haven't gotten mine yet, but it should be sitting on my doorstep ;) |
18:34.28 | tanq | with the 3200 can't you also plug use it as portable storage |
18:34.35 | hobbs | And I've heard only good things about them |
18:34.43 | tanq | s/plug// |
18:35.22 | tanq | meaning i guess you could make a fat partition that windows would recognize.. |
18:36.06 | tanq | and then have that automount via fstab to share files without have to go wireless or mess with usb networking.. |
18:36.22 | tanq | anyway.i gotta go again.. thanks for the link |
18:36.27 | hobbs | probably. But wireless is much more fun ;) |
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18:57.39 | tanq | fun is relative... like if i'm in a hurry... wireless isn't fun |
18:58.30 | enodr|away | I have succesfully bitbake libgtkhtml-2.11 but I want bitbake to copy the includes to my STAGING_INCDIR. Currently it only pack them to an ipk. Anyone knows how to do this? |
18:58.48 | enodr|away | bbl |
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21:44.13 | punk-ass | hobbs: do you use 802.11b on collie? |
21:44.19 | hobbs | punk-ass: yeah |
21:44.27 | punk-ass | with your new kernel? |
21:44.49 | hobbs | yeah, no difference there |
21:44.50 | punk-ass | I can't get hostap modules to compile against it |
21:44.55 | punk-ass | or old modules |
21:45.04 | punk-ass | er do use the old modules |
21:45.20 | punk-ass | damn :) |
21:45.21 | hobbs | punk-ass: you also aren't using the exact same config as I was, as I recall |
21:45.30 | punk-ass | do you use the old modules |
21:45.51 | hobbs | punk-ass: I use the ones from oz 3.5.4 (release, not upgrades). I think they're hostap 0.3.7 or so |
21:47.58 | punk-ass | bad typing today |
21:47.58 | punk-ass | mine is pretty much the same now |
21:47.58 | punk-ass | is hostap.o needed for your adaptor? |
21:47.59 | punk-ass | i'm getting |
21:47.59 | punk-ass | hostap_wext.h:7: net/iw_handler.h: No such file or directory |
21:48.01 | punk-ass | when trying to compile hostap modules |
21:48.03 | punk-ass | so its more than a configuration issue |
21:48.51 | punk-ass | ah |
21:49.00 | punk-ass | losest version I have is 0.3.9 |
21:49.03 | punk-ass | lowest |
21:50.18 | hobbs | punk-ass: did you apply all of the wext patches to your kernel? |
21:51.09 | punk-ass | I don't think I saw any |
21:51.32 | hobbs | they were listed in the patch series in the bitbake recipe |
21:55.06 | punk-ass | ah cool I see them in there |
21:55.11 | punk-ass | and think I found them with google |
21:55.35 | punk-ass | just the wireless ones |
21:56.14 | punk-ass | thats cool |
21:56.29 | punk-ass | this system isn't really setup for doing it this way |
22:03.48 | punk-ass | hobbs: can you put linux-2.4.18-list_move.patch up on your web server? |
22:03.49 | punk-ass | only one I can't find with google |
22:04.45 | hobbs | hang on, let me log in at home |
22:05.35 | hobbs | http://hobbs.dynup.net/linux-2.4.18-list_move.patch |
22:05.54 | punk-ass | thanks |
22:05.57 | punk-ass | big help as always |
22:06.13 | CoreDump|home | hi |
22:06.27 | punk-ass | hi |
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