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04:25.28tanqi neeed to get an sd reader for my box.
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06:23.22jtdAny of you guys use snes9x on your Z?
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08:59.51YoGhi, can someone help me setting wireless network with wep (I can use it without wep). Im using WCF12 on the zaurus side
09:00.59hrw|workopie and gpe has network settings which works for wep
09:01.36YoGI'm using opie. what setting am I suppose to use (on both sides) for it to work?
09:02.00YoGbtw: OZ3.5.4
09:02.27hrw|worksettings/network - select wlan0 - configure - enter keys
09:03.05YoGso I did, it refuses to connect. what encryption to use 64/128/256?
09:03.23hrw|workascii keys or hex keys?
09:03.28YoGascii
09:03.44YoGshould it ne hex?
09:03.50YoGshould it be hex?
09:04.30hrw|work"s:ascii" or "hex"
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09:06.53YoGsorry, changed the settings in the router and it rebooted....
09:07.13YoGso I missed your answer...
09:10.05YoGdidn't get your answer about the HEX keys, but after changing it to HEX it works...
09:10.18YoGSo thanx for helping
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09:12.15hrw|work19 11:04 < hrw|work> "s:ascii" or "hex"
09:12.15hrw|work19 11:04  * hrw|work used only hex ones
09:12.19hrw|workhi CoreDump|home
09:12.25CoreDump|homemorning
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09:49.24CoreDump|homeAnyone here w/ a PXA255 Poodle?
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10:16.46alan|homemorning all
10:17.13CoreDump|homehi alan|home
10:32.14CoreDump|homeI apears to be almost impossible to find a nand backup for a PXA255 poodle grrr
10:33.10hrw|worknot so popular
10:33.20hrw|workCoreDump|home:  pxa250 nand does not work?
10:33.30CoreDump|homeno :\
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10:39.24lardman|workhello everyone
10:39.40CoreDump|homehi lardman|work
10:43.15hrw|workCoreDump|home: contacted trisoft?
10:43.26CoreDump|homethey never sold poodles =
10:43.27CoreDump|home=)
10:43.44hrw|workah..
10:50.18lardman|workCoreDump: Have you tried posting asking for a NAND backup in the 5x00 section of oesf? I see someone else got a reply and a NAND off-line
10:52.40CoreDump|homeheh, just found that thread
11:05.37lardman|workhttp://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19347&st=30&p=127729&
11:05.49lardman|workIt's obviously still difiicult for people to get started using OE
11:06.32lardman|workIf anyone fanices writing some step-by-step instructions (with example local.confs for different machines), that would be useful for the oz wiki (or oe wiki)
11:17.03YoGI have a script in rcS.d I don't want to run, can I just delete it?
11:17.22CoreDump|homeYoG: yes
11:18.12YoGand if it messes my startup sequence is there some "rescue" terminal i can get into during bootup?
11:19.13lardman|workNot during bootup, but from the flashing menu, yes
11:19.39YoGcan you tell me how?
11:21.17CoreDump|homeuse altboots "init=/bin/sh" to recover
11:23.38YoGhow do i get to the terminal from the flashing menu? (I know how to get to the flashing menu according to the howto on openzaurus.org)
11:28.39YoGgot to go, thanx anyway
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13:29.42lardman|workbronson: How goes it?
13:30.17lardman|workbronson: I think we should provide some step-by-step setup and compiling instructions on the wiki for the specific OZ machines
13:30.36bronsonlardman|work, it goes...  super busy lately.
13:30.44bronsonI agree.
13:30.59lardman|workbronson: me too, not much time for anything other than work this month
13:31.13bronsonI've been meaning to whack together some MediaWiki templates to help out.
13:31.49lardman|workThe wiki seems to be getting additions, though I've not logged into see at just what rate
13:31.49bronsonStuff like <todo>Add Spitz instructions here</todo> so that others can come along later and fill in.
13:31.49lardman|workYep
13:31.54bronsonIt's about 2 pages/day.
13:32.07lardman|workThat's not too bad
13:32.08bronsonNot super fast but definitely respectable.
13:32.48bronsonTapering off a bit lately, probably because BerliOS still hasn't gotten a handle on their database machine.
13:32.50lardman|workThis thread is my reasoning behind the detailed OE/bitbake instructions: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19347&hl=
13:33.04lardman|workyeah, it can be a bit slow at times
13:33.19bronsonI'm going to set up a read-only mirror so that people can navigate faster.
13:33.42lardman|workokay
13:34.16lardman|workSo many things I want to do, so little time
13:34.18bronsonActually, I think detailed OE/BB is the single biggest thing missing from the Wiki now.
13:34.30bronsonA number of people have been asking for it.
13:34.45bronsonNever enough round tuits...
13:35.03lardman|workYep, I'd like to see example local.conf files for all machines, etc., so people don't have to read the docs and example files (easier for them to get going)
13:35.25lardman|work"Lowering the entry level" or some such saying ;)
13:36.22lardman|workThis thread sums up quite nicely some of the issues oz has atm: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19319&pid=127717&st=0&#entry127717
13:36.42lardman|workWe need working GUI package managers, and work on a useful media player
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13:41.10bronsonAmen.  One thing I've noticed on my 5500 is that the number of packages just kills the machine.  Takes forever to do anything in the package manager.
13:41.29bronsonWondering if moving the package list to a Sqlite database might improve things...?  I haven't profiled it yet.
13:41.41bronsonI think that's part of the reason everyone does things from the command line.
13:42.28bronsonHey!  The graphics contest is over.  Cool.  Time to update the Wiki's look.
13:42.59syn-pdamain reason is gui pkg manager locks up
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14:20.32lardman|workbronson: But yes, the number of packages doe make things difficult
14:21.20lardman|workbronson: Though it would require a re-write to make it significantly faster, although I do wonder whether the package files could be pre-parsed so that the GUI package managers could present lists immediately
14:26.47lardman|workWhere on earth does one find the opie package manager in the opie cvs?
14:27.38bronsonno idea; I've been using gpe.
14:27.44lardman|workLooks like florian is the main contributor for the gpe-packagemanger
14:28.18bronsonpre-parsing sounds like it would take up some serious memory...
14:28.32bronsonMight be worth a try.
14:28.50lardman|workJust do it once and save the list in a text file (withg just the name, not the other stuff)
14:29.17lardman|workThough I can't work out why it's so slow atm, unless it's because multiple same-name entries need to be handled
14:30.17lardman|workFinally: http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/opie/noncore/settings/packagemanager/
14:30.32lardman|workand for GPE: http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gpe/base/gpe-package/ChangeLog
14:31.06lardman|workthe old opie version: http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/opie/noncore/settings/aqpkg/
14:31.39lardman|workLooks like drw is the chap to ask about the opie ones then
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14:43.32tanqlardman|work: do you know if there are test images out there for the 2.6 poodle updates?
15:06.49jtdgpe-package needs a lot of work.
15:08.44bronsonjtd, why is it so slow?  Have you investigated?
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15:21.29jtdit being what, bronson?
15:21.43jtdgpe-package?
15:21.57bronsonYes, the package manager.
15:22.06bronsongui package manager
15:22.07jtdIt's not gpe-package's fault, it's ipkg.
15:22.17bronsonThat's what I thought.
15:22.21jtdDo an ipkg list and count how many seconds go by before it displays something.
15:22.30jtdOn my C1000 it's 43 seconds.
15:23.18jtdgpe-package is kind of hugely broken anyway, though.
15:23.52jtdYou can't select destinations, and to install anything or update your lists you have to go into a rootshell.
15:24.25jtdIt SHOULD ask you for a password like the other apps that need root do.
15:24.25jtd(Crashing aside)
15:27.58bronsonIs there any scripting language that can be used to write (or at the very least, prototype) GPE apps?
15:29.39bronsonSeems like GPE productivity could go up quite a bit if little-used apps like gpe-package could be written in script rather than C.
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15:32.44jtdPerl/Gtk+?
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15:32.50jtdPython/Gtk+?
15:33.20jtdThere's no perl in OZ, for some reason, but there sure is Python.
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15:35.22tanqok what can i use to sync the pim with outlook
15:35.22lardman|worktanq: Best talk to CoreDump|afk about the poodle
15:35.53lardman|worktanq: But yes, there are some iirc
15:36.47tanqis there any non-freeware/non-opensource software out there that will do the job... my company won't let me install opensource software to sync the pim
15:37.30lardman|worktanq: Opie or GPE?
15:37.33tanqgpe
15:37.47lardman|workIn that case, I doubt it
15:38.09tanqok what are the options with opie
15:38.19lardman|workUnless the file format is the same as the Opie xml stuff, in which case you might be able to fool Intellisync
15:38.26bronsontanq, they allow non-opensource but not opensource??
15:38.33bronsonI can't fathom the logic behind that...
15:38.42lardman|workIntellisync or some Trolltech thing
15:39.09tanqyeah  bronson it's red tape ...
15:39.20tanqthey would have to eval the source code and every license buried in that
15:39.37tanqand it costs too much so they just won't do it.
15:40.18jtdthat's absurd.
15:40.39tanqmost people use palms/hps and have the OEM images.
15:40.40jtdif something is open-source, it's open-source.  you can't "bury other licenses" inside it.  that's why it's open-source.
15:41.18tanqwell you can add your own license in it as long as it doesn't contradict with the other license if you reused code etc etc etc..
15:41.39jtdwell, yes.  but if it doesn't contradict, I don't really see why your company would have an issue.
15:41.44bronsonIt's a heck of a lot easier to bury a trojan in a closed-source program than it is to bury a license in an open-source one.
15:41.51jtdbronson: hear hear
15:42.04tanqplus you don'te get indemnification with opensource software
15:42.05jtdtanq: which Z do you have?
15:42.08tanq5600
15:42.20jtd"indemnification?"
15:42.32bronsontanq, you don't with closed either.  At least, not with any of the EULAs I've read.
15:42.52bronsonowell, some firms just like to make things difficult.
15:42.59jtdI don't remember anything about that, and I used to be an IT purchasing guy.
15:42.59tanqbronson: beats me.. you're preaching to the choir..
15:43.04tanq;)
15:43.14jtdtanq: have you tried Qtopia Desktop?
15:43.20jtdI think there may be ways to get OZ to talk to it.
15:43.24tanqyeah i used that at one time at home..
15:44.00tanqi'm not sure if they'll go for it
15:44.19jtdIt's not OSS :/
15:44.58tanqfreeware then.
15:45.19jtdQtopia Desktop isn't freeware either, though.
15:45.26jtdunless you're saying freeware is what you need.
15:45.38jtd(hasn't most freeware these days evolved into OSS anyway?)
15:45.53lardman|workIndeed Qtopia Desktop is one of the alternatives for Opie
15:46.45tanqi can't even find qtdesktop anymore..
15:46.46tanqheh
15:47.03tanqbeen googling for a couple of minutes already to check the license
15:47.49jtdI can ISO-ize my CD and give it to you.  I certainly don't care :/
15:48.03jtder.  s/:\//:p/
15:51.03tanqall i know is that I downloaded this a while back.. i've uninstalled it since then.. the only thing i can find with qt desktop is a dev environment
15:51.34lardman|workYou can get it from the Sharp download site (the version that came with the old 2.38 'ROM's)
15:51.39lardman|workIt should also be on oesf
15:51.58lardman|workNote that you need the older version of both this and Intellisync
15:52.08lardman|workif you want Intellisync that is
15:53.58jtdIntellisync makes your Z talk to Outlook, right?
15:54.20lardman|workBoth Intellisync and Qtopia Desktop can do this I think
15:54.49lardman|workI only every used Intellisync, and that was a long long time ago. It may not work with recent versions of Outlook. ymmv
16:00.53tanqi wish the intellisync that came with the z worked
16:01.08jtddon't we all :)
16:01.13jtdthere is opensync.
16:01.21tanqm/open/
16:01.23tanqheh
16:01.35jtdwww.opensync.org
16:01.39tanqyeah i've seen it..
16:01.45jtdbut, yes.
16:01.57jtdwith the OSS FUD, and all that.
16:02.05tanqit would be nifty if it would at least communicate and drop the file for something else to pick up and parse
16:02.12tanqon the device
16:02.40tanqbut i guess it would be easier to use anything else
16:02.51tanqoh well i have to go..
16:02.57jtdlater, tanq.
16:03.29tanqone last thing. is the alarm sound in the pim the same file that you use for clicks?
16:03.47tanqit sure sounds like it.. I thought there was a place in the gpe pim to change the alarm sound
16:04.02jtdI believe there is, but you got me as to where :)
16:04.39tanqok....bbl
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16:17.17lardman|work~lart oesf for still having connection problems
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16:27.39hobbsUSPS says my Akita is about 5 miles away from my house
16:41.32lardman|workCool :)
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17:03.03lardman|workhave a nice weekend guys
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18:29.53tanqhow much is the akita in usd
18:30.34hobbstanq: I just got mine for $380 shipped
18:30.38tanqreally
18:30.48tanqwow that is cheap compared to the 3xxx
18:30.56hobbsyeah
18:30.58tanqwhere did you get it from?
18:31.15hobbspricejapan.com
18:33.23tanqheh... how convenient
18:33.59tanqthe 3200 is 568
18:34.24hobbsit really is. I haven't gotten mine yet, but it should be sitting on my doorstep ;)
18:34.28tanqwith the 3200 can't you also plug use it as portable storage
18:34.35hobbsAnd I've heard only good things about them
18:34.43tanqs/plug//
18:35.22tanqmeaning i guess you could make a fat partition that windows would recognize..
18:36.06tanqand then have that automount via fstab to share files without have to go wireless or mess with usb networking..
18:36.22tanqanyway.i gotta go again.. thanks for the link
18:36.27hobbsprobably. But wireless is much more fun ;)
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18:57.39tanqfun is relative... like if i'm in a hurry... wireless isn't fun
18:58.30enodr|awayI have succesfully bitbake libgtkhtml-2.11 but I want bitbake to copy the includes to my STAGING_INCDIR. Currently it only pack them to an ipk. Anyone knows how to do this?
18:58.48enodr|awaybbl
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21:44.13punk-asshobbs: do you use 802.11b on collie?
21:44.19hobbspunk-ass: yeah
21:44.27punk-asswith your new kernel?
21:44.49hobbsyeah, no difference there
21:44.50punk-assI can't get hostap modules to compile against it
21:44.55punk-assor old modules
21:45.04punk-asser do use the old modules
21:45.20punk-assdamn :)
21:45.21hobbspunk-ass: you also aren't using the exact same config as I was, as I recall
21:45.30punk-assdo you use the old modules
21:45.51hobbspunk-ass: I use the ones from oz 3.5.4 (release, not upgrades). I think they're hostap 0.3.7 or so
21:47.58punk-assbad typing today
21:47.58punk-assmine is pretty much the same now
21:47.58punk-assis hostap.o needed for your adaptor?
21:47.59punk-assi'm getting
21:47.59punk-asshostap_wext.h:7: net/iw_handler.h: No such file or directory
21:48.01punk-asswhen trying to compile hostap modules
21:48.03punk-assso its more than a configuration issue
21:48.51punk-assah
21:49.00punk-asslosest version I have is 0.3.9
21:49.03punk-asslowest
21:50.18hobbspunk-ass: did you apply all of the wext patches to your kernel?
21:51.09punk-assI don't think I saw any
21:51.32hobbsthey were listed in the patch series in the bitbake recipe
21:55.06punk-assah cool I see them in there
21:55.11punk-assand think I found them with google
21:55.35punk-assjust the wireless ones
21:56.14punk-assthats cool
21:56.29punk-assthis system isn't really setup for doing it this way
22:03.48punk-asshobbs: can you put linux-2.4.18-list_move.patch up on your web server?
22:03.49punk-assonly one I can't find with google
22:04.45hobbshang on, let me log in at home
22:05.35hobbshttp://hobbs.dynup.net/linux-2.4.18-list_move.patch
22:05.54punk-assthanks
22:05.57punk-assbig help as always
22:06.13CoreDump|homehi
22:06.27punk-asshi
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