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| 01:36.55 | tanq | man.. i enabled the opie authentication module and now it won't let me back in. |
| 01:36.58 | tanq | it's weird |
| 01:37.43 | tanq | this screen came up today that i hadn't seen before with a proceed button. and when i click proceed it just hangs there. |
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| 03:41.18 | tanq | hmm. |
| 03:41.27 | tanq | does anyone know of any good places to get a case for a 5600 |
| 03:41.48 | tanq | i've been toting this bodyglove case around but it's just a zip up case. |
| 04:18.36 | jtd | you know |
| 04:18.45 | jtd | I was going to ask the same about the C1000. |
| 04:18.51 | jtd | I need a good belt-clip case. |
| 04:22.33 | tanq | there was a case that used to be available ony myzaurus.com |
| 04:22.54 | tanq | and i kept putting off ordering it and then it became unavailable.. |
| 04:23.02 | tanq | and it the only case I want. |
| 04:23.06 | tanq | heh.. go figure |
| 04:23.58 | jtd | argh. |
| 04:26.56 | tanq | http://www.myzaurus.com/acc_Carry.asp |
| 04:27.04 | tanq | :( |
| 04:28.28 | jtd | tanq, are you running GPE or Opie? |
| 04:29.38 | tanq | opie now.. |
| 04:29.53 | tanq | i was running gpe for a while |
| 04:30.11 | tanq | i think that opie more userfriendly than gpe is |
| 04:30.44 | tanq | it seems that opie is a more mature product than gpe is .. that is probably why |
| 04:32.12 | jtd | there's one problem with Opie, though. |
| 04:32.22 | jtd | the only web browser you can get for it is AWFUL. |
| 04:34.26 | tanq | you know that is why i went to gpe.. |
| 04:34.32 | tanq | but overall it just wasn't worth it to me |
| 04:35.45 | tanq | yeah you can use minimo or dillo in gpe.. |
| 04:36.55 | tanq | i think you can use opera on opie |
| 04:39.08 | tanq | with a little massaging |
| 04:48.02 | jtd | you know |
| 04:48.14 | jtd | wait, nevermind. you use opie :) |
| 04:48.21 | jtd | I'm on GPE but I can't make my backgrounds work |
| 04:50.00 | tanq | i never had that problem.. |
| 04:50.07 | tanq | but then again i'm on the 5600 |
| 04:50.15 | tanq | i better go to sleep. |
| 04:50.28 | tanq | see i can't get ko/pi ka/pi on gpe |
| 04:50.40 | tanq | and i like these pims way more than i do minimo |
| 04:50.46 | jtd | mm |
| 04:50.55 | jtd | GPE's PIM software is seriously lacking |
| 04:50.57 | jtd | I'll give you that |
| 04:51.00 | tanq | oh yeah |
| 04:51.11 | tanq | even the default opie pims |
| 04:51.12 | jtd | what do you use for mail on opie? |
| 04:51.16 | tanq | opie-mail |
| 04:51.21 | jtd | doesn't work for me. :/ |
| 04:51.26 | tanq | which i haven't found a substitute for yet. |
| 04:51.34 | tanq | it works for me it's just ueber slow |
| 04:51.34 | jtd | good luck. there isn't one. :) |
| 04:51.47 | jtd | when I try to send mail it tells me "stream error." |
| 04:51.48 | tanq | i don't like that it fetches all of your messages |
| 04:52.01 | jtd | yeah. it should be able to fetch only new ones, no? |
| 04:52.04 | tanq | i haven't attempted to send an email on this build. |
| 04:52.17 | jtd | I would hack on it, but haven't a clue as to where to begin. |
| 04:52.24 | tanq | jtd: yeah it does but it is so slow that it is obviously sifting through my 700+ emails |
| 04:52.35 | jtd | right. |
| 04:52.53 | jtd | I feel like there should be an IMAP command that only gets unread headers and unread messags. |
| 04:52.56 | jtd | e |
| 04:53.31 | tanq | my thoughts exactly |
| 04:53.44 | jtd | there probably is and it's just not implemented. |
| 04:53.59 | jtd | I love my Z, but software so far has been significantly underwhelming. |
| 04:54.32 | jtd | I think it's because we're dealing with developers who enjoy using mutt + ssmtp for their mail management :) |
| 04:55.16 | tanq | hmm maybe i should use mutt.. |
| 04:55.18 | tanq | heh |
| 04:55.26 | tanq | i'm sure it would be faster |
| 05:00.50 | tanq | it sent ok from opie-mail |
| 05:01.17 | tanq | although it seemed to have locked my account somehow so i couldnt check my mail on my desktop |
| 05:03.53 | tanq | what about x/qt |
| 05:18.27 | tanq | hmmm.. except ka/pi doesnt seem to recieve ir data |
| 05:18.40 | tanq | whereas the opie pim does |
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| 07:03.05 | jtd | that's worth submitting a bug request. |
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| 07:17.07 | hobbs | so what the hell is "half turbo", besides something that doesn't work? I understand the idea of turbo mode on the XScale, I just don't have a clue what "half turbo" is ;) |
| 07:23.46 | jtd | half turbo? |
| 07:23.51 | jtd | dude, I don't even know what you're talking about. :) |
| 07:24.19 | jtd | I know that at least on the Akita, you can change clock speed from 200 MHz to 617MHz. |
| 07:24.20 | hobbs | jtd: part of the clock settings bits on the PXA, which I'm playing with |
| 07:24.36 | jtd | hm |
| 07:24.41 | jtd | so that's how it's documented, eh |
| 07:24.43 | jtd | "half turbo?" |
| 07:25.03 | jtd | hurray for worthless, non-descriptive descriptions! :p |
| 07:25.08 | hobbs | jtd: the chip knows how to toggle between two speeds: you set the base speed, and then you tell it that "turbo" is N times the base speed |
| 07:25.24 | hobbs | and it jumps up to turbo when it's actually got work to do, and stays down at low speed the rest of the time |
| 07:25.45 | jtd | well |
| 07:25.48 | hobbs | "half turbo" apparently lets you define the turbo speed to be N/2 times the base speed instead |
| 07:25.52 | jtd | that's a silly way to do DVS. |
| 07:26.21 | hobbs | jtd: well I think the advantage of it is that it's a builtin feature of the chip, and you can toggle the turbo line with essentially no latency |
| 07:27.37 | jtd | scheduler overhead for standard DVS is virtually nil. but I guess doing it the classic way you'd need a kernel module for it. |
| 07:29.09 | hobbs | apparently a turbo ratio of up to 8:1 is supported -- but you get wicked flicker that way ;) |
| 07:30.15 | hobbs | not sure why, I suppose it's got to do with the LCD controller sharing the clock |
| 07:32.25 | hobbs | hmm. Actually it seems to be more like (certain ratios) + (power-hungry wireless card) == flicker ;) |
| 07:34.00 | hobbs | jtd: but yeah... I've got an Akita, and I just hacked part of the clock-setting code from pdaxrom into my OZ kernel |
| 07:34.06 | hobbs | because pdaxrom has some real issues ;) |
| 07:42.54 | jtd | does it? |
| 07:43.08 | jtd | what are its issues? |
| 07:44.29 | hobbs | just lack of usability. Or anything like PIM apps. Or the breadth of apps available in feeds that OZ has |
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| 08:16.21 | alan|home | morning, gentlemen |
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| 08:41.41 | AlexTe | which branch is used to build 3.5.4.1-rc4 ? |
| 08:44.08 | hrw|work | .oz354x |
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| 09:31.02 | ixoth | anyone used large (2-4 GB) SD cards on zaurii? (esp. poodle) |
| 09:31.37 | NA|Zzz_ | ixoth: I haven't, but most of the SD bug reports that fly around the # tend to relate to el-cheapo, large capacity SD cards |
| 09:32.04 | ixoth | thanks |
| 09:34.08 | magnet | hi |
| 09:34.13 | magnet | errr |
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| 09:54.08 | AlexTe | hrw|work using .oz354x I get a libqte tagged -r32, how can I get the -r35 from RC4 ? |
| 09:57.08 | hrw|work | r32? |
| 09:57.39 | hrw|work | you have too old metadata |
| 09:57.46 | hrw|work | show me 'monotone head' |
| 09:58.02 | hrw|work | hrw@bitbake:~/devel/oe/branch.oz354x/packages/qte$ monotone head |
| 09:58.02 | hrw|work | monotone: branch 'org.openembedded.oz354x' is currently merged: |
| 09:58.02 | hrw|work | fea0a4bac5a600cfeeda3588763d82c237b4fb92 hrw@openembedded.org 2006-05-22T11:44:15 |
| 10:01.02 | AlexTe | that command takes forever ! |
| 10:01.21 | AlexTe | monotone: branch 'org.openembedded.dev' is currently merged: |
| 10:01.22 | AlexTe | 5dbe5b4803d77caf5700c105d98a41a4cc21bda9 mickeyl@openembedded.org 2006-05-22T21:42:06 |
| 10:01.43 | AlexTe | argh |
| 10:02.14 | hrw|work | use .oz354x not .dev |
| 10:02.23 | AlexTe | monotone: branch 'org.openembedded.oz354x' is currently merged: |
| 10:02.23 | AlexTe | fea0a4bac5a600cfeeda3588763d82c237b4fb92 hrw@openembedded.org 2006-05-22T11:44:15 |
| 10:02.30 | AlexTe | ok that's it |
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| 10:11.07 | AlexTe | grep "^PR = " qte_2.3.10.bb |
| 10:11.08 | AlexTe | PR = "r32" |
| 10:12.50 | hrw|work | qte in .dev = r32 |
| 10:12.54 | hrw|work | qte in .oz354x = r35 |
| 10:13.10 | hrw|work | one day I'll merge them |
| 10:16.43 | AlexTe | how come I have r32 in .oz354x then ? |
| 10:18.36 | hrw|work | you cannot get r32 from .oz354x with head which you shown |
| 10:18.43 | hrw|work | check BBFILES in local.conf |
| 10:22.09 | AlexTe | that looks fine as well: BBFILES := "/home/share/zaurus/oe/org.openembedded.oz354x/packages/*/*.bb" |
| 10:22.28 | hrw|work | interesting... |
| 10:22.53 | AlexTe | I pulled from monotone.vanille.de is that ok? |
| 10:23.03 | hrw|work | yes |
| 10:24.33 | AlexTe | can I use the same OE.db for the two branches ? |
| 10:25.27 | hrw|work | yes |
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| 10:32.47 | AlexTe | ok there was an error during monotone update which I didnt see :( got -r35 now thanks ! |
| 10:34.18 | hrw|work | ;) |
| 10:37.16 | lardman|work | morning |
| 10:49.31 | magnet | hi |
| 10:51.33 | lardman|work | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19533&hl= |
| 10:51.53 | lardman|work | is this the keylaunch problem, or the other one (changing user settings was it?) |
| 10:53.12 | lardman|work | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19534&hl= |
| 10:53.19 | lardman|work | 10fps extra with overlay... interesting |
| 11:31.02 | magnet | pft |
| 11:31.13 | magnet | no way to log as user on e- image |
| 11:31.22 | magnet | stupid entrance |
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| 11:38.18 | lardman|work | JustinP: Any ideas about that - e login? |
| 11:38.32 | lardman|work | magnet: can you log in as root? |
| 11:39.17 | magnet | lardman|work: yep |
| 11:39.25 | lardman|work | magnet: or do you actually mean log as in log data? |
| 11:39.38 | magnet | I mean login as user. |
| 11:39.47 | lardman|work | ah, okay, that's fine |
| 11:39.56 | magnet | it's not. |
| 11:40.01 | magnet | :) |
| 11:40.06 | lardman|work | (I understood, not that not being about to log in is good ;) ) |
| 11:40.14 | magnet | ( hehe ). |
| 11:40.17 | lardman|work | :) |
| 11:40.24 | magnet | bah I'll put the gpe image back, i need to use my Z. |
| 11:40.39 | lardman|work | Why not just log in as root? |
| 11:40.53 | lardman|work | What machine do you have btw? |
| 11:41.17 | magnet | I have a spitz |
| 11:41.22 | magnet | 3100. |
| 11:41.33 | lardman|work | ah, I was wondering how you fitted e on the machine |
| 11:41.44 | magnet | I don't want to use root account,when user account should be enough. |
| 11:42.02 | magnet | ( don't use the name of root in vain ! ) |
| 11:42.11 | lardman|work | understandable, but opie runs as root all the time |
| 11:42.22 | magnet | lol |
| 11:42.37 | magnet | I stopped my download of opie 5mn ago, because I read this in forums. |
| 11:42.46 | lardman|work | oh right :) |
| 11:42.54 | lardman|work | How large is the rootfs for e-image then? |
| 11:43.02 | lardman|work | e-image-core even |
| 11:43.08 | magnet | like 80mb if I remenber right lemme check |
| 11:43.13 | lardman|work | yow! |
| 11:43.30 | magnet | errr |
| 11:43.33 | magnet | 20mb |
| 11:43.42 | hrw|work | e-image fit in c760 |
| 11:43.48 | lardman|work | ah, good, that might fit on my c750 |
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| 11:48.53 | magnet | damn google is shit. it needed to be said. |
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| 11:59.22 | AlexTe | hrw|work Codecs and unicode seems to be enabled in -r35, is that correc t? |
| 11:59.54 | AlexTe | (still speaking of libqte) |
| 12:00.44 | hrw|work | no |
| 12:01.04 | AlexTe | ah so my patch is still lying around in my tree :( |
| 12:40.39 | tanq | is there a way to run ka/pi and ko/pi on gpe? |
| 12:41.02 | tanq | also how does one get the ir sync to work without the using the default pims. |
| 12:41.22 | tanq | magnet: google is getting a lot of stale data in it |
| 12:41.38 | tanq | you really have to scrutinize what you read. |
| 12:41.52 | hrw|work | tanq: there is a way - someone has to finish work on it (all is in oe bugtracker) |
| 12:42.12 | tanq | hrw|work: oh ok.. i'll be honest i don't read the bugtracker.. |
| 12:42.40 | tanq | but which question did you answer? |
| 12:42.49 | tanq | heh.. the ir part or running ko/pi on gpe |
| 12:43.08 | hrw|work | kdepim/pi for x11 enviroments |
| 12:43.15 | tanq | ahh... |
| 12:44.06 | tanq | well i thought there was already something out there that would run qt apps on gpe? |
| 12:44.20 | tanq | like x/qt |
| 12:44.31 | tanq | err analagous to.. |
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| 13:54.59 | lardman|work | Accelerated X server, sounds nice :) |
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| 14:14.31 | systemsop | please recommend a free nfs server for winxphome |
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| 14:56.19 | JustinP | magnet: what do you mean "no way to login as user"? |
| 14:58.01 | JustinP | magnet: you can login as whoever you want. No, e-image doesn't have an auto-set-up for a normal user, but it's perfectly capable of letting you login as whoever you want |
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| 15:17.43 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 15:25.27 | hrw|work | hi CoreDump|home |
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| 17:07.59 | lardman|work | bye |
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| 18:34.41 | systemsop | got nfs working, trying to use altboot from nfs, stumped on the configure /etc/fstab I have 192.168.0.1:/pub/rootfs \ /mnt/lap nfs defaults,noauto 0 0 doesn't seem to work |
| 18:35.53 | CoreDump|home | is that linebreak actally in fstab? |
| 18:36.31 | systemsop | linebreak? not sure i put that in... but the 192.... and /mnt are on seperate lines |
| 18:36.56 | CoreDump|home | well, try putting it on one line then ;) |
| 18:37.12 | systemsop | i don't understand what you mean by line break here... |
| 18:37.56 | CoreDump|home | a linebreak is where one line ends and the next begins, you have a linebreak after the "\" char |
| 18:38.35 | systemsop | well... its all on one line here in chat but in fstab there is a break |
| 18:39.10 | CoreDump|home | exactly, correct fstab so it is one line and try again |
| 18:40.01 | systemsop | ok thanks |
| 18:40.45 | CoreDump|home | np |
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| 18:41.31 | systemsop | how do i re-envoke the fstab without rebooting? |
| 18:41.35 | nil | hi everyone |
| 18:41.38 | nil | I am tempted to buy a zaurus.... |
| 18:41.43 | nil | did someone try to use it as a voip phone over wifi? |
| 18:41.46 | nil | with earphones and microphone, connecting to open wifi accesspoints and using an existing voip account |
| 18:41.58 | nil | ? |
| 18:42.25 | CoreDump|home | systemsop: hmm? |
| 18:42.57 | hobbs | systemsop: you mean like "mount -a" ? |
| 18:42.58 | systemsop | heh? i re-edited fstab, umounted my nfs share now... how do i re-envoke the fstab settings without rebooting |
| 18:43.10 | nil | mount -a |
| 18:43.39 | hobbs | systemsop: or just mount /somewhere with no device, and it uses the device and options from fstab (that's half of the point of fstab) |
| 18:44.55 | systemsop | gotta run a taxi fare thanks for the help bbl |
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| 19:30.18 | AlexTe | GPE-rc4 stuck at "Starting GPE display manager: gpe-dm" using altboot, is this known issue ? |
| 19:37.36 | CoreDump|home | that is supposed to work, smells like damaged FS / install |
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| 19:38.16 | Laibsch | How do I switch back to the GUI from the console? |
| 19:40.11 | AlexTe | chvt 2 |
| 19:40.58 | Laibsch | AlexTe: Thanks. |
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| 19:53.58 | epia | hi all, is there a way to connect my z (c3w with gpe) with evolution (fc5)? |
| 19:54.06 | epia | (c3k) |
| 19:54.59 | epia | (... to backup my appointments?...) |
| 20:02.29 | Laibsch | AlexTe: I tried to install you libqte ipk. |
| 20:02.51 | Laibsch | After flashing OZ and not doing much else (setting up networking for example) |
| 20:03.24 | Laibsch | It tells me that /usr/lib/something is not writable/out of space and indeed root is already full. |
| 20:03.41 | Laibsch | How to proceed. I was just upgrading a package that is already installed. |
| 20:04.52 | AlexTe | Well the patched libqte is 600K bigger so you need some free space, plus some temporary space needed by ipkg |
| 20:05.44 | AlexTe | Alternatively you can use ar -x and tar zxf to extract the lib to some flash card and then copy to /opt/QtPalmtop/lib |
| 20:06.13 | Laibsch | What can I dump to free some space? |
| 20:08.33 | AlexTe | I used to copy some big files to flash card and link them |
| 20:09.03 | AlexTe | And install any additionnal package to the flash card and use ipkg-link |
| 20:09.41 | Laibsch | For example? What file? |
| 20:09.50 | Laibsch | My Z freezes now. |
| 20:10.01 | Laibsch | I guess another attempt at reflashing :-( |
| 20:13.45 | AlexTe | I dont know collies well, / is already full with default install ?! |
| 20:14.47 | hobbs | AlexTe: yeah, that's par for the course |
| 20:15.11 | hobbs | AlexTe: you only get 16MB and the install uses, I think, about 15. |
| 20:15.59 | Laibsch | hobbs: Anything that I can (re)move? |
| 20:17.01 | hobbs | probably. But you can also just do root on CF or SD. Reasonably sized cards are cheaper than dirt. |
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| 20:36.04 | redguy | E17 is pretty |
| 20:37.15 | CoreDump|home | you betcha |
| 20:38.53 | redguy | but I'm not sure if it's useful on a PDA |
| 20:40.30 | CoreDump|home | well, e17 is funny to use with an USB mouse =) |
| 20:40.52 | redguy | hah |
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| 21:10.34 | systemsop | i edited my fstab so that 192.168.0.1:/pub/rootfs /mnt/lap nfs defaults,noauto 0 0 but what really gets mounted is /media/nfsroot whats up with that? |
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| 22:51.54 | hobbs | hooray, best feature ever |
| 22:52.02 | hobbs | * cxx00 should keep time after reboot |
| 22:55.53 | JustinP | does it? |
| 22:56.58 | hobbs | dunno yet. Just looking at the news report ;) |
| 22:59.09 | JustinP | ah |
| 22:59.36 | hobbs | and I was being a bit facetious, but it will be nice not to have to reset my clock all the time |
| 22:59.43 | hobbs | I tend to do things that make the zaurus crash a bit ;) |
| 23:30.56 | Laibsch | Is there such a thing as altboot for the Sharp ROM? |
| 23:36.16 | JustinP | Laibsch: altboot is a set of shell scripts |
| 23:36.29 | JustinP | Laibsch: so you could try using it for the Sharp ROM, but what would you boot to? |
| 23:36.37 | Laibsch | OZ |
| 23:36.47 | Laibsch | OZ is very bitchy |
| 23:36.55 | JustinP | Laibsch: I would suggest instead booting OZ, then using altboot to kexec the Sharp Kernel |
| 23:37.01 | Laibsch | I have been reflashing my 5500 forever |
| 23:37.12 | JustinP | ack...well... |
| 23:37.19 | JustinP | not sure if altboot itself will work form Sharp rom |
| 23:37.29 | JustinP | and no kexec for 5500 (because no 2.6 kernel) |
| 23:37.32 | Laibsch | I want to get rid of Sharp ROM eventually. |
| 23:37.32 | JustinP | so you're out of luck |
| 23:37.40 | JustinP | if you had a C3x00... |
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| 23:46.33 | Laibsch | How can I move a package that is installed to root and reinstall it on cf? |
| 23:59.43 | magnet_ | can t you just remove it , then re install it ? |