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00:18.45systemsopanyone else having difficulty setting system time with the hentges2.6 opie?
00:20.09systemsopcollie that is
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02:04.19systemsopgrr got my system to bood off of sd but as soon as i reboot poof all settings go away so its like a new flash everytime i boot
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05:50.54systemsopbooting from sd is nice and all but everytime I do it , it is as if I have just flashed, that is no settings previously set are set , no network, not even screen calibration.... what step did I miss?
05:51.27systemsopdo I need to build a rootfs after making my settings?
05:58.43JoseJXTaking a break was what I needed :)  My problem with opera was missing the helvetica fonts... :p  Good night.
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08:29.21hobbsWhy cpufreq for c7x0 but not akita? The PXA27X cpufreq patch that pdaxrom runs seems to be stable
08:31.19hrw|workwill it be accepted mainline?
08:31.35hrw|workwe try to keep our kernel as clean as possible
08:33.15hobbsgotcha. Well given the extra interface it adds, which is handy but not necessary, I doubt it. The patch could be split, but _I'm_ not up to shepherding it into mainline ;)
08:36.13hobbsIt adds clock scaling and voltage adjustment code under cpufreq that seems to work well enough, and it also adds a "/dev/ipmc" device that allows setting the various config registers manually; apparently pdaxrom's applet uses that instead ;)
08:36.16hrw|workwe also lack kernel hackers
08:37.03hobbshrw|work: I'm a kernel dabbler. I know my way around some parts of the code pretty well anyway. So I've been poking around a few places.
08:37.15hrw|workdabbler?
08:37.19hrw|work~dict dabbler
08:38.46hrw|work~thx
08:38.50ibotnp
08:39.14hobbsheh. That didn't improve things a whole lot ;)
08:42.07hobbsI'm no kernel hacker, but I work on it sometimes, and sometimes I even know what I'm doing.
08:44.04hrw|work;)
08:44.21hrw|workI got my first 2.6 patches accepted
08:55.32hobbswell right now I've got to get to sleep. Work isn't too far off. But I'll look into getting on the right mailinglists or whatever to get in the process a little more. I can probably do some useful work
08:56.25hrw|workpatches welcome as always
08:59.15hobbswhere's the best place for patches?
08:59.27hrw|workOE bugtracker
08:59.35hobbsokay
09:15.26lardman|workmorning
09:23.50CoreDump|homemorning
09:24.28lardman|workHi CoreDump
09:25.05hrw|workCoreDump|home: you forgot #opie ;D
09:25.34CoreDump|homenah, I left that channel ;)
09:25.38hrw|workeach time when CoreDump|home arrive I have 5 windows flashing because of 'morning' etc :)
09:25.46CoreDump|home=D
09:29.00lardman|workBloody hell, reading the cache is rather fast now!
09:31.22lardman|workWhen did XorA say he was back?
09:31.37CoreDump|home~lart samba
09:31.59hrw|worklardman|work: 2 weeks
09:32.00lardman|workHe was working on, or thinking about working on acceleration for the xserver
09:32.02hrw|work~seen xora
09:32.05ibotxora <n=dp@85-210-41-159.dsl.pipex.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 12d 17h 35m ago, saying: 'Im sure koen can fix it before I get back from spain'.
09:32.22hrw|workso looks like 2-3 days
09:32.25lardman|workI hope it's not rained on the plain in Spain then
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10:11.43epiahi all
10:11.59CoreDump|homehi epia
10:12.47epiaI'd like to reformat (and maybe repartition) my c3k hdd. what files/folders should I backup not to loose my pim stuff?
10:13.11hrw|work<PROTECTED>
10:13.14CoreDump|homeopie, GPE or Sharp image?
10:13.26hrw|workunder opie run backup/restore app and use it
10:13.37epiatx hrw, I'm using gpe
10:13.39hrw|workbest: backup /home/
10:14.56epiawhould it be possible to install both ope and gpe on my internal hdd?
10:15.24epia(I succeded installing both with altboot, opie on my sd...)
10:16.24CoreDump|homeyes that can be done
10:16.38CoreDump|homethere is a howto on OESF.org how to do it
10:16.51epiait could be done with altboot?
10:17.06CoreDump|homeyes, that, too.
10:17.13epiak, tx
10:17.26CoreDump|homebut it sounded like you wanted to install both into the same rootfs
10:17.52epiaI'd like to have a partition for each gui..
10:18.02epia+ my home partition
10:20.18CoreDump|homethat shouldn't be too complicated ;)
10:34.51epiado calendar info are stored into /home/root/Applications/datebook/datebook.xml?
10:35.14epia(I think I only need to backup my calendar)
10:35.29epia(I usually login as root...)
10:40.02epia?
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10:47.27epiammm, when I backup my /home/root/Application folder it complains about "too many levels of symbolic links"... what is this about?
10:47.46epia(in fact I can see I've a lot of "Application" dirs nested...
10:47.51epia)
10:48.24epialet's say 30-40 or more
10:48.25epia....
10:50.47epiaok guys, I'm not bothering you any more... going to reformat this little thing and reflash... bye and tx
10:53.07lardman|workepia: Sounds like you have some kind of corruption there
10:53.53epiayes, in fact I'd like to start from scratch.... but I'd like to preserve my appointments....
10:54.09lardman|workJust save all of the .xml files then
10:54.25epiak
10:54.30lardman|workdatebook.xml & contacts.xml iirc
10:55.51hrw|workI would try to get all from Application anyway
10:56.04hrw|workaddressbook/ datebook/ todolist/ are minimal
10:57.35lardman|workhrw|work: Is bl not included in the OZ GPE builds?
10:57.49lardman|workFrom looking at the log here: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18353&st=135
10:59.18hrw|worklardman|work: will lok
10:59.35lardman|workhrw|work: Make sure it's my version, not the cvs one though
11:01.54lardman|workWe could do with a "How to setup Zaurus for bt/ir connection to phone HowTo" if there are any takers
11:03.39hrw|workgpe-image for c7x0 does not contain 'bl' package
11:04.43lardman|workaaargh, someone's either removed by .bb or merged it into the cvs
11:04.45lardman|workI wonder which
11:05.36hrw|workbrb
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11:06.47lardman|workI'm annoyed
11:07.04lardman|workSomeone's removed my patched version of bl, from the metadata. How do I found out whom?
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11:15.20lestathi boys... a quick question: Opie + GPE at the same time on OZ 3.5.4 is possible? If so, how? (I'm assuming that http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/howto/opie-gpe-at-the-same-time/ is outdated...)
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11:20.31hrw|workread oz wiki
11:23.08lardman|work~oz wiki
11:23.13iboti heard oz wiki is located at http://openzaurus.berlios.de/
11:23.22lardman|workibot: Good job!
11:23.23ibotGood job!, good! Have a cookie... oh no! The cookie jar is dry!
11:23.47lestatthanks! :)
11:37.15systemsopi'm booting off of sd with a loop image, after i use it for a while and set some settings, when I reboot all settings are gone... how can i preserve my settings or do I have to build a new loop image?
11:40.31CoreDump|homesettings should be kept
11:40.43CoreDump|hometry calling "sync" before rebooting
11:42.38systemsopthanks coredump , btw that new gpe of yours looks really nice  kuduz
11:42.57CoreDump|home;)
11:45.26hrw|workhttp://www.hrw.one.pl/2006/05/25/google-summer-of-code-2006/
11:46.39CoreDump|homehrw|work: nice
11:47.31CoreDump|homeanyone w/ sl-Cxx00 around who could send me a NAND backup?
11:47.40epiahrw: this sounds interesting!!!
11:47.49hrw|workCoreDump|home: trisoft provide for all models
11:47.53lestatbrb
11:48.14CoreDump|homehrw|work: I know, but I'm trying to collect OZ backups for all models
11:48.19hrw|workah
11:48.33CoreDump|homehttp://hentges.net/tmp/NAND-Backups/
11:49.14hrw|workCoreDump|home: maybe during next weeks I will provide you some nands
11:49.24CoreDump|homethat would be great
11:49.39hrw|workc760 need cleaning /home/ first
11:56.20epiawhat about making some dirs into start menu? like "office" or "internet"?
11:56.26epia(for GPE)
12:00.49epiaanother question: if I install software as root then it's not available for other users... what should I do?
12:01.23CoreDump|homehuh? it should be available for all users
12:01.35magnet<PROTECTED>
12:01.44epiaabiword for example...
12:01.57magnetum
12:02.12epiaI've logged in as "user", then installed with ipkg as root...
12:02.33magnetso when you fire up some console and launch abiword, what happen ? command not found ?
12:02.43epialet me look
12:03.25epia"permission denied"
12:03.44magnetdoes it tell more ?
12:03.52epiano
12:04.00epiaand no icons on "user" desktop...
12:04.18magnetls -la `which abiword`
12:04.21magnetwhat does it give ?
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12:05.06epia"no such file or dir"
12:05.18magneterr
12:05.41magnetwhat about  : which abiword ?
12:06.09epia?
12:06.22magnetjust type  which abiword
12:06.31epianothing happens
12:06.42magnetdo it as root
12:06.47epiaok :)
12:06.50magnet:)
12:07.20epiait says "/usr/bin/abiword"
12:07.27magnetok
12:07.33magnetls -la /usr/bin/abiword
12:07.43magnetso we'll see if user can execute it.
12:08.48epiait says something like "lrwxrwxrwx   1   root   root   etc etc...."
12:08.56magnetgut
12:09.11magnetas user try to type /usr/bin/abiword
12:09.38epia"permission denied":..
12:09.57magnetcan you tell me more about this message ?
12:10.08magnetdoes it talk about some file or directory ? /tmp maybe ?
12:10.08epiano, that's all it says...
12:10.13epiano
12:10.16magnetk
12:10.19magnetumm
12:11.48epiaam I doing something wrong?
12:11.58magnetI don't think so.
12:11.59epiawhen I install packages?
12:12.32epiaso the only way is to log in as root?
12:12.38magnetI try to install the package to see if I get the
12:12.40magnetsame error
12:12.45epiak, ty
12:13.04magnetI had some trouble with some packages too, like gcc
12:13.19magnetsome stuff wasn t setuped well, like permissions on /tmp
12:16.16CoreDump|homehrw|work: I've just pushed the fixed samba stuff, could you put the new package in the upgrade feed please?
12:17.53magnetepia: abiword works nice there
12:18.12hrw|workok
12:18.39CoreDump|homethanks
12:18.46magnetepia: did you checked permissions on /tmp ?
12:18.51hrw|workupdating metadata
12:19.24epiamagnet: you're speaking arab :)
12:19.41magnetno :)
12:19.42epiahow do I check them?
12:19.46magnetls -la /
12:20.22epiadoh, this is quite long...
12:20.29magnetlook for the line about tmp
12:20.44magnetand the 'rxw------' stuff
12:20.44epiaas for /tmp it says: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root
12:20.53magnetgood too
12:20.55magnetumm
12:22.24systemsopwith the opie from hentges 3.4.5.1 pressing the time and selecting set time from the menu does not work...  is this a known problem or is it just me
12:22.50magnetepia: E_NOCLUES
12:23.15epiadoh,
12:23.24magnetepia: I don t know where it could come from, we can still try to strace it
12:23.28epiabut ty for your interest
12:23.33magnetto check where is the permission denied.
12:23.52epiaI' have time to spend :)
12:24.11magnetI got few, but still enough.
12:24.21magnetso you'll need to install package strace
12:24.56epiaok
12:24.58magnetthen run as user strace -o abiwordlog /usr/bin/abiword
12:25.03epiainstalling
12:25.14magnetthen you'd better mailing me abiwordlog
12:26.35hrw|workCoreDump|home: started samba build
12:27.37epiamagnet: he he he
12:27.47epiawhen I execute strace...
12:27.57epia"permission denied"
12:27.58epia:(
12:27.58epia(as user)
12:28.14magnetahahah
12:28.18epiaI'm giving up!
12:28.19epia:)
12:28.31epiaI'll login as root as always!
12:28.53magnetarrr don't use the name of root in vain.
12:29.02epia:)
12:29.13epiaI'd like not to use it....
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12:29.27epiabut I've not enough linux knowledge....
12:29.30epia(doh)
12:29.57magnethehe.
12:30.06magnetI gtg, cya.
12:30.14epiabye, and tx
12:37.37tanqis there a bug for opie time resetting when you reboot?
12:37.49tanqon the 5600 3.5.4 build of oz
12:43.55bronsonhrw|work, is there anything we should ask users to do on the front page of the OZ wiki?
12:44.00bronsonLooks like all the docs have been moved over.
12:44.39hrw|workbronson: some nice text about 'feel free to submit any' etc...
12:44.46hrw|worksomething motivating
12:44.50bronsonSo nothing specific.  :)
12:44.53bronsonnp
12:45.48bronsonI never heard back from Kergoth about adding wiki.oz.org...  Do you know how to get ahold of that guy?
12:46.12hrw|workI will discuss with him about it
12:50.21bronsoncool -- I won't worry about it then.
12:52.02hrw|workCoreDump|home: samba updated
12:52.10CoreDump|homethanks!
12:52.50hrw|worknow have to remove bintuils from feed
12:56.24_law_hi
12:56.30CoreDump|homehi _law_
12:56.38_law_~seen XorA
12:56.47ibotxora <n=dp@85-210-41-159.dsl.pipex.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 12d 20h 59m 42s ago, saying: 'Im sure koen can fix it before I get back from spain'.
12:58.00hrw|workhi law
13:00.45hrw|workCoreDump|home: read my post in upgrades
13:02.16CoreDump|homeand my reply ;)
13:03.53hrw|workI meant my reply to your reply
13:04.13hrw|workah.. see
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13:37.57flowolfhi all
13:40.49flowolfI'm looking for a sl-c7x0 feature matrix
13:41.05flowolfit's an hard choice
13:44.21hrw|workhttp://zaurus.spy.org
13:45.29flowolfthank you
13:46.49hrw|workif you want to get c7x0 then 760 or 860
13:48.02flowolfI was looking for a 750 or a 700 :p
13:48.26flowolfmaybe I should wait some more and get a 1000
13:48.37hrw|workavoid 700
13:49.00flowolfwhy?
13:49.09hrw|workslower cpu, less ram
13:53.23epiaok, I've flashed a new copy of gpe on my c3k and I'm taking a look into my home root dir to find where do pim saves appointment...
13:53.35epiaI can't find any xml file....
13:53.41epiaany clue?
13:55.52hrw|workopie use xml files
13:56.07epiaand gpe?
13:56.56lardman|workepia ~/.gpe/ iirc
13:57.10epiatx
13:57.20lardman|workno idea of the format though, I think it's an sql db
13:58.59hrw|worksqlite2 db
14:01.07epiawow I've got my appointments back! :)
14:07.19CoreDump|home+mhentges@oe-poodle:..nEmbedded/tmp/deploy/ipk >du -sh samba samba-essential
14:07.19CoreDump|home18M     samba
14:07.19CoreDump|home5.5M    samba-essential
14:07.38CoreDump|home< 3Mb compressed
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14:33.03hrw|workCoreDump|home: mirror ospack from http://www.myzaurus.com/licOspack.asp with nand-backups
14:33.47CoreDump|homegeee, that might not be such a smart move legally...
14:43.40hrw|workyep.
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14:50.52CoreDump|homehrw|work: http://hentges.net/tmp/screenshots/Zaurus/Poodle/Misc/samba-essential.jpg
14:52.33hrw|worknice
14:52.46hrw|workjoke:Donald Rumsfeld is giving the President his daily briefing on Iraq.
14:52.46hrw|workHe concludes by saying "And yesterday, Mr President, 3 Brazillion soldiers were killed.
14:52.49hrw|work"My God.....OH NO!" the President exclaims. "That's terrible!"
14:52.52hrw|workHis staff sits stunned at this display of emotion, watching as the President sits, head in hands.
14:52.55hrw|workFinally he looks up, teary-eyed and asks, "How many is a brazillion?"
14:53.00lardman|workhrw|work: Anyway, back to my point about bl, I think it ought to be added in, and used for the Zaurus machines
14:53.12lardman|workhrw|work: lol
14:53.13hrw|workok
14:54.02lardman|workAt least until something better comes along anyway
14:54.22hrw|workstill 0.0 ver?
14:54.59hrw|workPackaged contents of bl into /home/hrw/devel/build/3541-final/tmp/deploy/ipk/bl_0.0-r0_armv5te.ipk
14:55.21hrw|worklardman|work: should it be packaged as bl or bl-lardman or bl-zaurus or?
14:56.34lardman|workhrw|work: It works for everything that minilite does
14:56.44hrw|workit replace minilite?
14:56.47lardman|workhrw|work: So ipaq, simpad, all 2.6.x kernels
14:57.17lardman|workno, it's required by ipaq-sleep, it is an interface to the backlight which is used by ipaq-sleep to do automatic backlight control
14:57.39lardman|workIt just contains minilite's internals, with some wrapping
14:57.55hrw|workso ipaq-sleep should depend on your bl for 2.6 devices?
14:58.02lardman|workipaq-sleep does stuff like auto-power off
14:58.23lardman|workIt can depend on it for all devices, as it also handles 2.4 (everything bl used to do)
14:58.49lardman|workI asked about replacing the cvs version of bl with mine, but didn't hear anything back
14:59.17hrw|worklardman|work: can you bump it to 0.1? so it will be newer then cvs one
14:59.33lardman|workhrw|work: yes of course
14:59.39lardman|workhrw|work: me? How?
14:59.50hrw|workSRC_URI = "http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Zaurus/bl/${PN}-${PV}.tar.gz"
14:59.56hrw|workbl-0.0.tar.gz
14:59.57lardman|workIt's untested for Zaurus 2.4.x kernels, however the cvs bl doesn't work for them either afaik
15:00.05lardman|workah, okay, hang on 2 ticks
15:00.12hrw|workthx
15:00.25lardman|workdone
15:00.53lardman|workThanks hrw
15:01.29hrw|worklardman|afk: can you repack to bl-0.1/bl.c etc?
15:17.24radugaflowolf: wait some more, and get a 1000.
15:17.50flowolfthat could be a good idea
15:18.03radugayou'll get- newer system (fresher battery),  usb host, slightly better keyboard
15:18.15raduga(in relation to a C760/C860)
15:18.27flowolfand 100€ less on my pocket :D
15:18.28hrw|workfaster cpu
15:18.29radugafaster CPU too
15:18.30radugaehh
15:19.05flowolfhow much is a wifi cf?
15:19.33radugaflowolf: if you can hold out longer, and get a C3100/C3200, it might be worth it; but there's a trade-off.  more expensive, shorter battery life, and (maybe) a little more fragile
15:19.47flowolfno
15:20.15flowolfI got my notebook with builtin wifi for 350€
15:20.18radugaflowolf: what you *do* get, for those negatives, is 4-6gb internal storage.
15:20.26radugaflowolf: hrm.
15:20.29flowolfthere is no way I can spend more than 300€ for a pda
15:21.33hrw|workwifi cf.. I cant tell - both cards donated
15:21.39flowolfand I don't need a 4-6gb hd on a pda :)
15:22.08flowolfis anyone here using gentoo on his zaurus?
15:22.49hrw|workI use on my sl-5500 - started basesystem build in november - expect it ending in august
15:23.22CoreDump|home=D
15:23.39flowolflol
15:23.59hrw|worklast time I checked it was fetching headers via irda
15:24.00flowolfdon't you have a normal computer to build your system on? :p
15:24.18hrw|workflowolf: gentoo and crosscompile? fu
15:24.31flowolf"fu" ?
15:24.38radugazaurus is a normal computer.
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15:24.57flowolfraduga: I mean something with a fast cpu :)
15:25.15raduga416mhz is fast!
15:25.31flowolfthen try to compile firefox on it :)
15:26.37lardman|afkhrw|work: Yes, will re-pack, hang on
15:26.41flowolfhow many hours can an sl-c1000 battery last?
15:26.53flowolf(sorry for my bad english)
15:27.10CoreDump|homeflowolf: 2-4, depends...
15:27.22lardman|afkMakes perfect sense in English btw
15:30.02lardman|workhrw|work: Should be done now
15:38.12radugacoredump: not a 'normal' condition, mind you,
15:38.22hrw|workthx lardman|work
15:38.38radugabut with CPU scaling in 2.6, I've had a zaurus run ~ 14 hrs at a stretch, without suspending
15:39.09hrw|workI'm able to use my c760 for few hours with wifi in range
15:40.53hobbsraduga: that's fairly impressive :)
15:41.27radugahobbs: wasn't even intentional.
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15:45.43hrw|worklardman|work: it has to be inside of gpe-image with minilite or instead of it?
15:46.59lardman|workhrw|work: With
15:47.10hrw|workok
15:47.15lardman|workminilite is just the taskbar control for the backlight
15:47.35lardman|workminilite and gpe-conf and bl ought to share the functionality in a lib really
15:48.22hrw|workadded into gpe-image
15:48.37lardman|workthanks :)
15:48.56hrw|workis in upgrades too
15:49.52lardman|workIn the comments of bug 347 is some discussion
15:50.00lardman|workoff sharing the functionality
15:50.06lardman|works/off/of
15:50.48lardman|workBut we need to wait for florian/mickeyl/etc to decide on how things should go
15:50.51hrw|workyep
15:51.38lardman|workbye hrw
16:06.12lardman|workbye guys
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19:39.19epiaI think I've found a bug: my machine is a spitz running 3.5.4.1 rc4; if you install gpe from scratch it won't create dirs for root in /home
19:41.46epiadunno how to report this.... dunno if it's a real bug throught...
19:46.53johnXSince it would be considered a bug against the OZ distribution you could submit it here: http://bugs.openembedded.org/
20:13.30hrwwe had it already
21:05.36radugakergoth is slithy
21:22.52hobbsand tovish?
21:24.00radugai.e. difficult to "get ahold"
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22:42.36epiahi all
22:42.59CoreDump|homewb epia
22:43.04epiaI've submitted a bug to http://bugs.openembedded.org/... is this correct^
22:43.06epia?
22:43.14epiafor GPE?
22:43.44hobbsepia: after you left, hrw made a comment to the effect that they already have that bug filed
22:43.49hobbsepia: so I wouldn't worry about it :)
22:44.12epia(doh)
22:44.30epiaglad to hear this :)
22:50.40epiasince I dont want to spam bugtracker, anyone already reported the inability to use, as user, software you've installed as root? (GPE image on c3k)
22:51.45hrwpeople - check bugtracker before posting
22:52.31epiahrw: I've checked it but I cant find anything related to that...
22:52.48epia(used GPE as keyword)
22:55.15hrw1042 is duplicate of 759
22:56.35epia(doh), sorry hrw you're right!
22:57.05epiabut this is my first attempt at bugtracker
22:58.02hrwunderstandable
22:58.13epiaI promise I'll read the whole list before posting anything...
22:58.38epia(blush)
22:59.11CoreDump|homethere is probably no need to read through 400 open bugs ;)
22:59.25epia:x
22:59.59hrwonly 400?
23:00.26CoreDump|home353 a few minutes ago
23:00.30hrw353 bugs found when I choose 'all new bugs' (which is all not closed)
23:00.44CoreDump|home;)
23:00.46hrwSaved Searches:
23:00.47hrwMy Bugs | "moje" | ALL bugs | all new bugs | BitBake | Build | Distro | wifi
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23:03.15epiausing GPE as keyword I don't see anithing about the inability to use software when you log in as "user"....
23:03.40epiaI think I'll edit a new bug...
23:03.42epia:)
23:04.16epiahrw: please be patient if it is reported elsewere....
23:17.29hrwhttp://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19512#entry128446
23:20.00hrwepia: thats something for you too ;)
23:24.14epiahrw: read that post...  
23:24.48epiaI'm trying to help form a n00b point of view....
23:25.13epia:)
23:25.14hrwand its good
23:25.32hrwOZ became too much developer system
23:27.15epiagoing to bed now. cya
23:28.14hrwcu epia
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