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| 02:33.29 | INTERROBANG | can you flash a c7x0 from a |
| 02:33.39 | INTERROBANG | can you flash a c7x0 from a MMC card, which doesn't have that extra SD pin? |
| 02:35.27 | tanq | cf? |
| 02:36.04 | INTERROBANG | don't have a cf card yet, only a mmc card |
| 02:52.17 | NAbyss | hrw|gone: How stable are the 3.5.4.1 RCs for Cxx00? |
| 02:55.24 | INTERROBANG | i recently bought a c860 zaurus which appears to have been a part of some citibank card signup campaign. how do i escape their little gui system? is theer something i can do in boot to open a shell? |
| 02:56.06 | NAbyss | INTERROBANG: reflash? |
| 02:57.05 | INTERROBANG | no cf or sd card yet, only mmc |
| 02:57.10 | INTERROBANG | apparently doesn't work |
| 02:57.41 | INTERROBANG | i just want to get to a prompt so i can explore the system |
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| 03:37.07 | INTERROBANG | you can use mmc to flash a c7x0, but you HAVE to partition it 1st. on a 5500 you dont' have to though |
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| 03:58.02 | JustinP | INTERROBANG: there should be a failsafe boot....but I don't know for sure |
| 03:58.07 | JustinP | NAbyss: pretty stable |
| 04:00.38 | NAbyss | JustinP: Ah, thanks |
| 04:43.25 | INTERROBANG | hey! how come c7x0 images get a nice pretty lady for their boot splash and 5500 users get a goofy dinosaur?!? |
| 04:44.00 | kolla | ? |
| 04:44.31 | INTERROBANG | jk. you've never booted a c7x0? |
| 04:46.23 | kolla | is this the lady? http://openzaurus.org/gfx-contest/xaos/bootsplash-landscape.png |
| 04:48.23 | INTERROBANG | no, that's not the lady or the dinosaur |
| 04:48.40 | INTERROBANG | i feel like there's some discrimination against 5500's |
| 04:51.40 | kolla | there is, by sharp :) |
| 04:52.05 | INTERROBANG | aaaw seems you can't flash fom mmc, it just skips the kernel flashing step and loads a buggy system if you do |
| 04:52.55 | kolla | you have to flash from CF |
| 04:53.10 | INTERROBANG | you can use sd, just no mmc |
| 04:53.26 | INTERROBANG | on a c7x0 that is |
| 04:53.44 | kolla | well, not on sl-5500 |
| 04:53.53 | INTERROBANG | yeah, it sucks |
| 04:54.57 | INTERROBANG | arrgh, i sold my wifi and sd cards to pay for my 860. now i'm crippled until i buy them back! |
| 04:55.20 | kolla | sucker :) |
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| 05:33.05 | INTERROBANG | actually it seems you can flash from mmc on c7x0, it's just that the enlightenment image is screwed |
| 05:35.37 | JustinP | INTERROBANG: how so? |
| 05:37.12 | INTERROBANG | it goes through the boot process up until it's supposed to load the graphic environment and it just asks for console login |
| 05:37.33 | INTERROBANG | you login, type enlightenment and it says no xserver is running |
| 05:37.40 | INTERROBANG | i didn't try xinit |
| 05:38.13 | INTERROBANG | also |
| 05:38.27 | INTERROBANG | only the bottom line of the console updates |
| 05:38.49 | JustinP | INTERROBANG: then it's not "screwed" |
| 05:38.53 | INTERROBANG | you can type clear to move the cursor tot he top and write down the screen again, but once you raech the bottom it gets stuck again |
| 05:39.00 | JustinP | just that entranced is doing its usual crap... |
| 05:39.18 | JustinP | not sure what's up with that as it always works on my machine |
| 05:39.23 | JustinP | (spitz) |
| 05:39.33 | JustinP | try typing "entranced" |
| 05:39.35 | INTERROBANG | oh i see, you think you're better than me is that it? |
| 05:40.11 | JustinP | I just happen to be the maintainer of the e17 stuff in OE |
| 05:40.13 | INTERROBANG | but what about the bottom of the screen being the only part to reliably update? |
| 05:40.31 | JustinP | I'm not better or worse, it's just always worked for me |
| 05:40.46 | JustinP | the console thing I have no idea about |
| 05:40.57 | JustinP | not e's fault |
| 05:41.06 | JustinP | possibly another missing dependency, but I doubt it |
| 05:41.33 | INTERROBANG | i saw it on the 5500 as well. the splash that comes up and all the text written above the bottom line doesn't update |
| 05:41.53 | JustinP | probably has something to do with the logo |
| 05:41.55 | JustinP | .me shrugs |
| 05:44.10 | JustinP | INTERROBANG: try entranced |
| 05:44.44 | kolla | initializing the X server will probably fix it |
| 05:45.00 | kolla | or a simple ctrl-l :) |
| 05:57.19 | INTERROBANG | JustinP: isn't the e-image supposed to automatically start up enlightenment? |
| 05:59.24 | JustinP | INTERROBANG: yes, but as I said some people have problems which I can't reproduce. Hence I can't fix it. |
| 05:59.50 | JustinP | INTERROBANG: as I have now said twice, *try running "entranced"* |
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| 07:04.37 | INTERROBANG | i was goign to say b4 i went afk that i'm kinda skeptical about trying an image that doesn't boot right |
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| 07:15.49 | INTERROBANG | tried running entranced, it keeps restarting itself every few seconds. stuck on touchscreen calibration |
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| 07:41.08 | INTERROBANG | bah, i'm going to install debian arm on it eventually anyway |
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| 10:19.38 | NAbyss | Hmm.. are modules broken in .dev at the moment for spitz? The USB OHCI module doesn't seem to be built. |
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| 12:22.53 | CoreDump|home | morning |
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| 14:00.04 | hrw | hi |
| 14:00.08 | webmind | hi |
| 14:00.13 | hrw | INTERROBANG: you can flash from cf, sd, mmc |
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| 14:00.51 | CoreDump|home | hi hrw |
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| 14:02.30 | tanq | hrmm |
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| 15:01.12 | INTERROBANG | hrw: i already got OZ installed, trying out enlightenment on my Z is my next step |
| 15:05.38 | magnet | INTERROBANG: which Z do you got ? |
| 15:06.11 | INTERROBANG | c860 |
| 15:06.18 | INTERROBANG | though e-images don't work though |
| 15:06.34 | INTERROBANG | they dont' start E automatically and runing entranced doesn't work |
| 15:08.23 | magnet | I tried it on my 3100 |
| 15:08.31 | magnet | it worked quite nicely. |
| 15:08.46 | magnet | but after reboot, entranced went wrong too. |
| 15:08.57 | magnet | I tried to re install, but had the same trouble. |
| 15:10.20 | INTERROBANG | sounds like something in the /home partition changed and the setting persists in messing it up |
| 15:11.00 | magnet | I think it should be corrected for 3.5.4.1 . |
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| 15:15.32 | biblio_peb | hi guys .. |
| 15:16.55 | magnet | hi. |
| 15:19.51 | CoreDump|home | magnet: as JustinP keeps telleing everyone: It works fine on his machine so he can't debug any problems on other machines |
| 15:20.15 | tanq | hah |
| 15:20.37 | CoreDump|home | I _personally_ would get rid of entranced alltogether and launch entrance with gpe-dm but that's just me (entranced ain't worth the trouble in my book) |
| 15:20.39 | tanq | if those aren't words from a developer .... |
| 15:20.59 | tanq | "it works fine on my machine" |
| 15:21.00 | CoreDump|home | tanq: how do you debug a bug that you can't reproduce? |
| 15:21.19 | tanq | yeah i know.. but those words just make me laugh every time i hear them |
| 15:21.34 | CoreDump|home | that doesn't make them wrong =) |
| 15:21.48 | tanq | and it depends what he means by can't reproduce.. is it a dependency issue? |
| 15:21.59 | magnet | CoreDump|home: thanks for the info. |
| 15:22.04 | tanq | is he starting from a rom that is in the downloads? |
| 15:22.07 | CoreDump|home | it means it works perfectly fine for him, for whatever reason |
| 15:22.33 | tanq | i have no idea what the problem is so i'll stop speculating |
| 15:22.34 | CoreDump|home | magnet: np. entranced doesn't work on Akita either heh |
| 15:22.43 | tanq | well i need to go.. |
| 15:23.33 | INTERROBANG | i supposed all us non c1k users will have to wait till enthusiasm wears off and he goes the boring reliable route |
| 15:23.48 | magnet | I'm quite sure correcting it is not a big deal. but I can t flash my Z atm . so no way to debug. |
| 15:24.50 | CoreDump|home | magnet: if it runs OZ with altboot you could NFS boot it ;) |
| 15:25.23 | magnet | umm right. |
| 15:25.33 | magnet | ! |
| 15:26.08 | magnet | I'm working on getting cfxga to work with 2.6 kernel. once it's done,I'll have a deeper look. |
| 15:26.17 | magnet | e- sounds very nice. |
| 15:26.21 | CoreDump|home | it is |
| 15:26.33 | CoreDump|home | and very nice to use w/ a USB mouse hehe |
| 15:26.39 | magnet | I used fvwm for last past 4 years. |
| 15:27.05 | magnet | but it would need lots of config , to be usable on pda. |
| 15:27.12 | CoreDump|home | yeah |
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| 15:28.23 | DE_Hann1bal | Anyone here, who can help me with a hardware/software problem, concerning the backup-battery in my Z-SL5500? |
| 15:29.01 | INTERROBANG | i've noticed some many stores that carry the zaurus camera but not zaurii, wth? |
| 15:29.10 | INTERROBANG | err some = so |
| 15:29.29 | CoreDump|home | the camera is a bad joke, who would by it anyway? |
| 15:29.33 | CoreDump|home | buy |
| 15:30.25 | INTERROBANG | i know i wouldn't, it's onyl 640x480 anyway right? but i'm wondering why staples and compusa (last i checked) carry it at all? |
| 15:30.35 | INTERROBANG | and they sell it for so much! |
| 15:30.43 | INTERROBANG | it's like $180 or something |
| 15:31.10 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 15:31.17 | CoreDump|home | VGA is about right |
| 15:34.38 | syn- | is there an external batter you can use with sl-5000 ? |
| 15:34.41 | syn- | battery |
| 15:35.34 | DE_Hann1bal | @syn- : you could make one yourself, someone did it for the SL5500 |
| 15:37.41 | syn- | uhh rather not |
| 15:38.54 | INTERROBANG | you can fit 3 rechargable AAA batteries into the 5500's battery case's broadside |
| 15:39.12 | INTERROBANG | but you'll need something to fill in the extra space that bulges out a bit |
| 15:39.13 | DE_Hann1bal | however, you might want to take a look at this site http://www.ed-gein.de/z/ |
| 15:39.33 | INTERROBANG | you could use a voltage regular and a voltage divider to step down to 3.7 v |
| 15:39.48 | INTERROBANG | you don't have to worry about source current since the z will sink whatever it wants |
| 15:40.01 | INTERROBANG | recharging it another matter though |
| 15:45.25 | syn- | thats over my head |
| 15:45.33 | syn- | I don't want to risk damaging it or fire |
| 15:45.56 | INTERROBANG | you should make your own external battery pack. you just need 1-3 resistors, 2 caps, a 5 volt regulator, at least 4 rechargable batteries of your choice of size and mAh, and a little box to pu tit all in |
| 15:46.15 | INTERROBANG | mof you should stick the eletroncis to a standard battery case you can by at radioshack |
| 15:46.19 | INTERROBANG | no fire risk |
| 15:46.20 | syn- | k |
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| 15:47.04 | INTERROBANG | the regulator and caps will gurantee no damage from voltage spikes, and the Z regulates it's own current |
| 15:47.14 | INTERROBANG | you got any eletronics knowledge? |
| 15:48.13 | syn- | not really which is why i would rather buy something ehhehe |
| 15:48.32 | INTERROBANG | omg, aren't you a nerd? you're in linux right, you got a z even... |
| 15:48.57 | syn- | well i am starting to read an electronics book |
| 15:49.08 | CoreDump|home | not every nerd is a electronic engineer ;) |
| 15:50.12 | syn- | yea i am more into power tools than electronics |
| 15:50.25 | INTERROBANG | don't need to be one, but you can qualify as a nerd without at least basic IC eletronics familiarity, it's part of the certification test. |
| 15:50.44 | syn- | an openzaurus certification ;P |
| 15:50.55 | CoreDump|home | thank got I _am_ a electronic engineer then hehe |
| 15:50.59 | INTERROBANG | jk |
| 15:51.04 | INTERROBANG | i meant nerd certification |
| 15:51.07 | syn- | haha |
| 15:52.54 | INTERROBANG | arrggh! i got this c860 with no wifi!!! gd it's torture |
| 15:53.04 | syn- | heheh |
| 15:53.04 | INTERROBANG | like a sexy girl and you're just friends! |
| 15:53.08 | CoreDump|home | go buy a WLAN card |
| 15:53.09 | syn- | at least i have wifi ;PPP |
| 15:53.20 | INTERROBANG | can't effort one yet, i broke myself buying teh c860 |
| 15:53.24 | syn- | na na nanaaaa |
| 15:53.31 | INTERROBANG | you're not better than me! |
| 15:53.32 | syn- | ;P |
| 15:53.36 | syn- | hahaha |
| 15:53.58 | CoreDump|home | hmm usb net works fine as well |
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| 15:55.13 | INTERROBANG | i got my Z off ebay used |
| 15:55.17 | INTERROBANG | no cradle |
| 15:55.26 | syn- | i got mine off ebay as well |
| 15:55.30 | INTERROBANG | it seems to have come from citibank or something |
| 15:55.41 | INTERROBANG | it was loaded with some credit card sing up kiosk |
| 15:55.46 | syn- | how much did u pay? |
| 15:55.56 | INTERROBANG | 295 after tax |
| 15:55.58 | INTERROBANG | usd |
| 15:56.00 | syn- | nice |
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| 16:09.21 | tanq | does the c3(1|2)00 |
| 16:09.26 | tanq | come with wifi |
| 16:09.38 | CoreDump|home | nope |
| 16:09.40 | tanq | arg |
| 16:09.50 | tanq | so you still have to plug in a cf card |
| 16:09.51 | CoreDump|home | no Z does except one version of the SL-6000 |
| 16:10.12 | tanq | i guess that's what happens when you have a built in keyboard |
| 16:10.31 | CoreDump|home | Wifi isn't that big in japan |
| 16:10.34 | CoreDump|home | or so I hear |
| 16:10.38 | tanq | why not. |
| 16:10.43 | CoreDump|home | no clue =) |
| 16:10.48 | tanq | i mean really who wants to be tied to a freakin cable |
| 16:11.30 | CoreDump|home | tanq: since you stillhave a free SD slot on a whooping 4-6G HDD inside I don't see where the problem is with using a CF WLAN card |
| 16:11.44 | tanq | heh |
| 16:11.57 | tanq | yeah but it's already so big you'd expect to have it built in |
| 16:12.04 | CoreDump|home | hehe true |
| 16:12.13 | syn- | maybe he likeda high reza porno |
| 16:12.24 | tanq | i wonder if there is a lot of room inside to keep the hardware cool |
| 16:12.41 | tanq | but that drive is basically a cf card size drive isnt it |
| 16:12.43 | CoreDump|home | SL-Cxx00 can't play highres video anyway.... |
| 16:13.00 | CoreDump|home | tanq: correct |
| 16:13.03 | tanq | what is the screen resolution on it... |
| 16:13.31 | CoreDump|home | http://hentges.net/tmp/photos/Akita/ <- that's what SL-Cxx00 look from inside |
| 16:13.32 | tanq | man i constantly talk about getting one of these.. i just know i don't really need it.. |
| 16:13.52 | INTERROBANG | you'll find uses for it once you get one |
| 16:14.04 | INTERROBANG | proper mobile web browsing 1st of all |
| 16:14.24 | tanq | yeah i like the fact that you can rotate the screen around like a tablet |
| 16:14.29 | CoreDump|home | ssh'ing into your desktop when X crashed yet again... |
| 16:15.01 | tanq | and the fact that when you screen rotate to type you can rotate the keyboard back to type |
| 16:15.12 | tanq | bleh.. you know what i'm trying to say |
| 16:15.13 | tanq | heh.. |
| 16:15.24 | CoreDump|home | surfing the web from the unsecured WIFO network while waiting at the drive-in etc.. =) |
| 16:15.59 | tanq | like if i rotate the 5600 to have a better web experience i have to rotate the z to type and then rotate back to view |
| 16:16.18 | tanq | a little annoying.. but no wi have no web experience when using opie |
| 16:16.30 | tanq | s/wi/i/ |
| 16:16.35 | tanq | heh |
| 16:16.44 | tanq | but the kdepim rocks |
| 16:16.48 | tanq | so torn.. |
| 16:17.19 | tanq | by the way. someone voided their warranty on their akita.. |
| 16:17.21 | tanq | heheh |
| 16:17.49 | tanq | i' |
| 16:17.55 | tanq | m gonna check ebay |
| 16:18.58 | CoreDump|home | tanq: it was a donation so no big deal =) |
| 16:19.14 | CoreDump|home | (ie: that's why it was donated in the first place) |
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| 16:20.25 | tanq | I was joking anyway.. =) |
| 16:22.19 | tanq | openbsd on the zaurus.. |
| 16:22.21 | tanq | hmm. |
| 16:22.40 | tanq | that reminds me.. I found a rom of newton os for the z |
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| 16:27.54 | INTERROBANG | what's good about newton os? |
| 16:30.42 | DE_Hann1bal | Ok, new question: seems like the battery-applet is causing the trouble here. Can I just remove /opt/Qtopia/plugins/applets/libbatteryapplet*.* so it ont bother me anymore (loosing the complete control about the battery status is ok here) |
| 16:38.45 | tanq | INTERROBANG: nothing.. just found it |
| 16:42.04 | CoreDump|home | DE_Hann1bal: I think so , yeah |
| 16:46.55 | DE_Hann1bal | ok, i moved it in a different folder and rebooted, no battery logo anymore - had some effect at least, lets see if it still complains about the backup battery |
| 16:48.44 | CoreDump|home | anyone here with a c7x0 or c8x0 running 3.5.4.1? |
| 16:50.24 | tanq | where do you get 3.5.4.1 at? |
| 16:50.36 | tanq | nm |
| 16:50.40 | tanq | it was staring me in the face |
| 16:50.53 | tanq | and it's not available for poodle anyway |
| 16:50.55 | tanq | :/ |
| 16:51.37 | CoreDump|home | well, a kernel 2.6 port for poodle is underway |
| 16:52.09 | CoreDump|home | http://hentges.net/tmp/Poodle-Kernel-2.6/21-MAY-06/ |
| 16:52.11 | tanq | ahh i found something in hrws tmp directory |
| 16:52.15 | CoreDump|home | not very useful yet |
| 16:52.40 | tanq | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/3.5.4x-experimental/2.6.16-r33/ |
| 16:53.18 | CoreDump|home | that kernel is of no use to you since 2.6 requires a good deal of user-space support |
| 16:54.01 | CoreDump|home | the hentges-net image works well with Opie |
| 16:55.03 | tanq | hey do you know of a simple big endian emulator that doesn't require much of an install |
| 16:55.22 | tanq | hrmm |
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| 18:17.27 | INTERROBANG | is the an emulator period that's simple and doesn't require much of an install? |
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| 18:18.46 | RP | guylhem_: The answer is you need snd_soc_corgi btw ;-) |
| 18:19.02 | RP | and the oss emulation module who's name escapes me atm |
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| 18:19.18 | RP | If they're loaded, everything else needed will be |
| 18:19.37 | guylhem_ | RP - they are loaded, yet it doesn't work |
| 18:19.57 | guylhem_ | cat /proc/asound/cards show WM8731 - Corgi |
| 18:20.20 | RP | That's a good sign. Have you tried fiddling with alsamixer? |
| 18:20.59 | guylhem_ | RP : that's what I'd like to do but I can't. alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 18:21.53 | RP | guylhem_: that's not a good sign :-/ |
| 18:22.59 | RP | guylhem_: Try stracing alsamixer and see what's really upsetting it? |
| 18:23.07 | RP | guylhem_: are there any clues in dmesg? |
| 18:23.12 | guylhem_ | RP : I am thinking about recompiling the kernel. which modules are needed for the sound |
| 18:23.34 | RP | guylhem_: See the defconfig in OE |
| 18:24.41 | guylhem_ | RP : I see many modules there, and I was wondering if they were all neded |
| 18:25.05 | hobbs | they all do something ;) |
| 18:25.37 | RP | guylhem_: The sound ones are generally needed |
| 18:25.53 | RP | guylhem_: modules in other areas are because users request them |
| 18:27.37 | guylhem_ | RP - thanks for the info. Between soc, ac97 codec and wm I was thinking some where interfering |
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| 18:27.59 | RP | guylhem_: soc and wm are needed, ac97 isn't but is harmless |
| 18:28.22 | RP | guylhem_: I'd guess a missing userspace lib is more likely, hence the suggestion to strace |
| 18:28.29 | hobbs | RP: Speaking of kernels, if I were to make some cleanups to the patch in pdaxrom that does pxa27x cpufreq would you be interested in looking at it? |
| 18:28.31 | RP | guylhem_: Maybe a missing alsa conf file |
| 18:29.03 | RP | hobbs: I'm intrested, yes. As long as it uses cpufreq and not Intels alternative inteface |
| 18:29.30 | guylhem_ | RP : in my dmseg, looks like it crashes big time |
| 18:29.32 | guylhem_ | ALSA sound/core/pcm_lib.c:1839: BUG? ((max >= 0)) |
| 18:29.38 | guylhem_ | [<c0022fc8>] (dump_stack+0x0/0x14) from [<bf02f11c>] (snd_pcm_hw_param_near+0x3) |
| 18:29.43 | guylhem_ | [<bf02edec>] (snd_pcm_hw_param_near+0x0/0x3a0 [snd_pcm]) from [<bf03a158>] (snd) |
| 18:29.46 | guylhem_ | (...) |
| 18:29.56 | hobbs | RP: This uses cpufreq _and_ another interface that allows setting the bits directly. But I can tear out the other interface, and fix up the cpufreq part so it works a bit better :) |
| 18:30.15 | RP | guylhem_: Right, that's bad. Do your kernel modules match your kernel? |
| 18:30.47 | guylhem_ | RP - compiled it by hand, but I'll check the md5 (had some corruption when I installed the image) |
| 18:32.35 | guylhem_ | for some reason there where many corrupted files after the default installation. Tried 5 times with 5 distros to be sure (pdax, 354, angstrom...) so I believe the flash is not that good |
| 18:33.00 | RP | hobbs: There are various versions of that patch around. http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/patches/tosort/pxa2xx-cpufreq.patch might be of interest |
| 18:33.30 | RP | guylhem_: :-(. I'd suspect your machine then as sound is known to work on other devices |
| 18:33.55 | RP | guylhem_: The flash should have error checking so could it be memory corruption? |
| 18:34.46 | hobbs | RP: Looks like it's better than what I was working with |
| 18:35.48 | guylhem_ | RP - good idea. the strange part was it only happenned during flash, and there was no bad blocks (checked) I have also witnessed something strange with postgres - that may be the memory corruption at work |
| 18:35.55 | guylhem_ | well I guess I'll have to change it |
| 18:36.06 | guylhem_ | good opportunity to get 128 mb :-) |
| 18:37.38 | guylhem_ | RP - btw how do you overclock on 2.6 ? |
| 18:37.54 | RP | overclock what? |
| 18:37.59 | guylhem_ | cpu and w100 |
| 18:38.37 | RP | cpu by messing around with cpufreq. w100 by poking around in /sys/devices/platform/*/w100fb/fastpllclk |
| 18:38.47 | hobbs | RP: The interesting thing that the pdaxrom patch has is voltage scaling -- but the patch on your site is much better put-together, so it would definitely make a better base for work. |
| 18:39.39 | RP | hobbs: I'd like to have voltage scaling too. We just need to find a way to make it platform generic (only enabled on the platforms that support it) |
| 18:39.56 | guylhem_ | cat: /sys/devices/platform/*/w100fb/fastpllclk: No such file or directory |
| 18:40.32 | guylhem_ | is in /sys/devices/platform/sharp-scoop/corgi-ssp/w100fb/fastpllclk |
| 18:40.48 | hobbs | RP: I'll look to the Centrino patches in mainline for inspiration. They have voltage scaling since recently. |
| 18:41.06 | RP | guylhem_: well, yes. I just can't remeber the whole path off the top of my head ;-) |
| 18:41.23 | RP | hobbs: Right, that sounds idea :) |
| 18:41.26 | RP | ideal |
| 18:41.39 | hobbs | s/patches/drivers/ |
| 18:41.50 | hobbs | uh, thanks bot. ;) |
| 18:48.12 | hobbs | x86 mainline just does all voltage stuff locally to the driver, keyed on frequency, rather than having another interface to screw with it |
| 18:49.10 | RP | hobbs: :-/, We might need to add some kind of generic support then... |
| 18:50.33 | guylhem_ | regarding mplayer, http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/howto/encoding-and-playing-video-for-c7x0-devices/ isn't very helpful, qith fbdev the framerate is at best poor |
| 18:50.44 | hobbs | I'm not sure why. What are you looking to get? Just configurable voltage profiles? |
| 18:51.17 | RP | hobbs: Some users will want to fiddle with their voltages... |
| 18:51.24 | RP | I need to go - back later |
| 18:52.00 | hobbs | sure |
| 18:53.30 | guylhem_ | hobbs - how do I change the gouvernor to overclock a little ? |
| 18:57.22 | hobbs | guylhem_: what machine are you using? |
| 18:57.55 | guylhem_ | c860 |
| 18:59.44 | hobbs | Looks like the compiled-in frequencies only go up to 400MHz, which AFAIK is standard |
| 18:59.54 | hobbs | so you can only underclock |
| 19:02.37 | hobbs | in fact, 400 is all the PXA255 is rated for. So it's sort of a good thing that they don't make it easy for you to go higher :) |
| 19:03.40 | guylhem_ | can this be changed? |
| 19:03.54 | guylhem_ | I would like to play a video, and it doesn't work fine atm |
| 19:04.40 | guylhem_ | I mean I'm ready to recompile - just tell me where to change it |
| 19:04.56 | guylhem_ | there is no more proc/ccr - that was easy |
| 19:05.34 | hobbs | arch/arm/mach-pxa/cpu-pxa25x.c |
| 19:05.42 | hobbs | and if you blow it up it's not my fault |
| 19:05.56 | guylhem_ | ok :0 |
| 19:06.01 | guylhem_ | which machine do you have? |
| 19:06.15 | hobbs | akita |
| 19:06.20 | hobbs | C1000 |
| 19:06.40 | hobbs | and a 5500 but that one doesn't do much of anything interesting ;) |
| 19:06.41 | guylhem_ | ok so I guess I'm alone with my mplayer problems |
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| 19:10.48 | INTERROBANG | guylhem_: you could try lowing the frame rate (-fps) and lowering the bit rate |
| 19:10.57 | INTERROBANG | also try this: http://pastebin.ca/59383 |
| 19:11.58 | INTERROBANG | it was originally for the 5500, i tweaked a little bit myself. you can tweak it _up_ for the C860's extra power |
| 19:15.32 | hobbs | such a waste of disk space ;) |
| 19:19.41 | guylhem_ | INTERROBANG : I would like to play video at least as fast as on a 2.4 |
| 19:27.36 | INTERROBANG | i only tested it on the 5500, but i imagine you can easily dbl the framerate for a c860 which is twice as fast |
| 19:28.54 | INTERROBANG | i tested it on a 5500 (200MHz 32MB RAM) using anime, i imagine you can approx. dbl the performance demand for a c860 (400MHz 64MB RAM) |
| 19:32.14 | CoreDump|home | collie has 64M of RAM |
| 19:32.28 | CoreDump|home | nm, forgot about the ramdisk... |
| 19:35.33 | CoreDump|home | i sure wished someone would port the FB accel patch or PXA270 is OZ :\ |
| 19:38.12 | INTERROBANG | which archs have gfx accel? |
| 19:38.19 | INTERROBANG | err devices or whatever |
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| 19:39.40 | hobbs | C7* and C8* I believe have the w100 chip |
| 19:43.44 | guylhem_ | patch for cpu over on pxa25x done |
| 19:43.46 | guylhem_ | will test it |
| 19:44.06 | guylhem_ | CoreDump|home : did you try to play with mplayer on your c760 |
| 19:44.24 | CoreDump|home | I have a Akita, too but yes |
| 19:44.28 | guylhem_ | patch for 1 partition of 121 Mb (c760,c860) done |
| 19:44.42 | guylhem_ | patch for 1 partition of 121 - tested, works fine |
| 19:45.06 | guylhem_ | CoreDump|home : did you try to improve the performance ? could you do anything ? |
| 19:46.22 | CoreDump|home | hmm basically you have to make sure your Z doesn't need to "scale" the image (be it up or down). Then the FPS rate was mostly acceptable, but for from perfect |
| 19:46.39 | CoreDump|home | s/for/far |
| 19:46.41 | guylhem_ | did that, didn't help. I am compiling a kernel with overclocking enabled. I will send you the patch if you want. |
| 19:47.00 | CoreDump|home | won't be of much use on Akita PXA270 I fear |
| 19:47.33 | guylhem_ | ouch sorry |
| 19:57.05 | guylhem_ | add to arch/arm/mach-pxa/cpu-pxa25x.c in permformance}] : |
| 19:57.09 | guylhem_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.19 | guylhem_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.59 | CoreDump|home | I'd rather have "true" cpufreq w/ userland tools ;) Underclocking would be nice |
| 19:58.07 | guylhem_ | oops replace 5 by 0 |
| 19:58.10 | guylhem_ | s5/4 |
| 19:58.52 | guylhem_ | CoreDump|home : you must have kernel support for the freq, then the userland tools can play with it |
| 19:58.58 | hobbs | CoreDump|home: I'm working on that actually. I've got sort of a hack working on mine |
| 19:59.24 | CoreDump|home | hobbs: nice |
| 19:59.29 | hobbs | CoreDump|home: I can go from 104 to 628 without issues |
| 19:59.48 | CoreDump|home | got a patch against the OZ kernel? |
| 19:59.49 | hobbs | (actually, there's some minor funkiness in the LCD at 104, but it works) |
| 20:00.13 | hobbs | CoreDump|home: yeah, but I'm working on improving it. Give me a bit and I'll let you bang on it :) |
| 20:00.24 | CoreDump|home | cool, no hurry ;) |
| 20:04.01 | INTERROBANG | with the nokia mobile browser code release, does any1 know if any1 has plans to port it to an linux devices? is it worth porting? just curious |
| 20:06.46 | hobbs | INTERROBANG: It's based on KHTML, which was on linux devices before anything :) |
| 20:07.13 | hobbs | INTERROBANG: but hopefully some of their mobile-device rendering improvements (assuming there are some) will get merged back |
| 20:09.58 | INTERROBANG | yeah, i was hoping to see some ssr improvements. i haven't taken my c860 on the net yet, but is really needed? i know it depends upon the site, but i've been using 1600x1200 i don't recognize pixel spans offhand anymore |
| 20:11.05 | hobbs | A lot of sites look pretty good on mine at 640x480 |
| 20:11.10 | hobbs | but improvement is definitely possible |
| 20:16.36 | guylhem_ | btw wha6 means div2 in pxa_freqs ? |
| 20:16.44 | guylhem_ | can't find it on intel doc |
| 20:18.21 | INTERROBANG | does any1 know offhand if OZ packages can be installed on the pdaX or Cacko ROMs? |
| 20:18.34 | INTERROBANG | if so what issues are there? |
| 20:18.39 | guylhem_ | from my limited understanding it divides the sdram freq by 2 on some case. problem is I don't know when |
| 20:20.56 | hobbs | ah, yeah. Run memory at bus speed or half of bus speed |
| 20:21.29 | guylhem_ | I jusnt don't understand why {398131, 99532, 0x161, 0}, then |
| 20:21.45 | guylhem_ | because 0x161 should have memory at half bus speed |
| 20:21.55 | guylhem_ | hobbs, can you help me? |
| 20:23.28 | hobbs | hang on |
| 20:23.35 | CoreDump|bbl | INTERROBANG: there are binary incompatible |
| 20:23.47 | INTERROBANG | !... |
| 20:23.48 | cdbot | INTERROBANG: ?? |
| 20:23.55 | hobbs | guylhem_: I have the relevant doc for 27x, not 25x |
| 20:24.11 | guylhem_ | see http://www.intel.com/design/pca/applicationsprocessors/manuals/278693.htm |
| 20:24.38 | INTERROBANG | any1 know of any good games for c860? what emulators can be run at a good speed? |
| 20:25.06 | guylhem_ | I just dont understand why div2 is set to 0 for 0x161, while it should be 1. I want to add 0x162 and 0x163, which imho must have div2 at 1 ttoo |
| 20:25.09 | guylhem_ | s/ttoo/too |
| 20:25.19 | guylhem_ | INTERROBANG : try dgen-sdl maybe |
| 20:25.24 | guylhem_ | genesis emul |
| 20:25.39 | guylhem_ | I personally want to compile zpce asap :-) |
| 20:26.52 | INTERROBANG | zpce? |
| 20:27.11 | hobbs | guylhem_: the 0x161 mode there is running at a MEMCLK of 100MHz so it doesn't need to be halved |
| 20:27.47 | guylhem_ | ok I understand |
| 20:27.50 | hobbs | guylhem_: some of the other modes have MEMCLKs of 133 and 166MHz, which are apparently too fast for the RAM |
| 20:28.00 | hobbs | guylhem_: so they use div2 to bring it into spec |
| 20:28.05 | INTERROBANG | i know this is a stupid question but i don't have a wifi card yet and i know i'll get border enough to try, so i need to hear the answer... |
| 20:28.08 | guylhem_ | so in my case, theoretically I should div2 |
| 20:28.13 | INTERROBANG | cant the c860 run a psx or n64 emulator? |
| 20:28.27 | INTERROBANG | s/cant/can |
| 20:29.01 | guylhem_ | but since I want to overclock ... I wonder at which speed the ram run on a 2.4 when proc/cccr is set to 163 |
| 20:29.36 | hobbs | guylhem_: depends. That'd be one way to do it, yeah. Push the MEMCLK up to 133 and 166 with the same CCCR and you should get 532 and 664 MHz AFAIK. At least one of which will melt your machine :) |
| 20:30.40 | guylhem_ | hobbs - I have been running with 0x162 and 0x163 for long without problems :-) |
| 20:30.51 | hobbs | guylhem_: that's something different |
| 20:31.13 | guylhem_ | yes but I wonder at which speed the ram was running back then on the 2.4 |
| 20:32.12 | hobbs | guylhem_: the same, I'd expect. All you're changing there is L |
| 20:32.21 | hobbs | er, nevermind |
| 20:32.30 | guylhem_ | so the ram speed was not divided ? |
| 20:33.07 | hobbs | guylhem_: cancel that. Yeah, it would have to be. |
| 20:33.31 | hobbs | although 0x162 is invalid according to the docs, so who knows what it does |
| 20:34.39 | guylhem_ | I'll play it safe to start |
| 20:34.39 | hobbs | but 0x163 would give you 533MHz with RAM at 133MHz (which is apparently no go, so you have to divide it down to 66) |
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