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02:03.48INTERROBANGJustinP: scoll up to yesterday.  i haven't bought a wifi card yet so i'm none too eager to install anything.
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02:04.03INTERROBANGtanq: that small screen is why i sold mine and got a c860
02:04.12tpdd_anyone know if there is a fix for tosa alarms yet?
02:04.15INTERROBANGweb browsing and even vnc isn't really an option
02:04.35INTERROBANGalso the clamshells are sexier, excluding the 6000
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02:08.39JustinPINTERROBANG: eh?
02:08.57INTERROBANGi said it yesterday it didn't work
02:10.19INTERROBANGthough i understand that the clamshells aren't sexy and dsitracting
02:10.23INTERROBANGerr aren't = are
02:10.33INTERROBANGsee what i mean
02:10.35INTERROBANGlol
02:38.02Devzsharp doesnt develop any roms for any zaurii anymore?
02:42.31Devzive stuck with my collie for so long coz getting other zaurii in australia is damn hard. but ur right vnc, or anything on the screen is not worth the eye strain
02:54.18tpdd_is anyone here using the current OZ on a 6000?
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07:07.46jtdHow does one go about reporting a bug in the GPE bugtracker for OE when the package you want to report a bug for isn't in the list?
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07:14.25jtdAnd am I the only one who thinks this menu setup looks really really cool?  http://handhelds.org/~gpe/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=portedapps&id=port_31922
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07:42.09alan|homegoo morning all
07:43.32webmindmorning
07:43.56alan|homejtd: i don't agree... i never liked this menu...
07:43.59alan|homehi webmind
07:45.00alan|homejtd: to me, opie provides one of the best menu organisation for a pda
07:45.29NAbyssalan|home: agreed
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08:00.43_law_hi XorA does your .dev image work?
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08:04.32XorA_law_: I failed to build it, gpe is in flux
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08:10.19alan|homeobergix[work] \o/
08:10.36alan|homehey XorA & NAbyss
08:10.48obergix[work]coin alan|home
08:10.53alan|home^^
08:11.53alan|home\\o \o/ o//
08:17.20jtdwell, I just like the way that program manager looks
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09:07.06jtdanyone here use nmf for music playback?
09:07.11jtdgpe-nmf specifically
09:13.10obergix[work]jtd: tried it and it worked, but didn't really use it more than once for tests
09:18.15jtdobergix[work]: its playlist system appears to be badly broken unless I'm missing something obvious
09:18.47jtdyou can only add one file at a time, and if you add an m3u it appears to work at first but when you hit "Accept" or "OK" or whatever it is to save the playlist it hangs
09:19.55obergix[work]jtd: didn't try anything more that adding one file, so didn't hit that problem, sorry ;)
09:22.39jtdk :)
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10:01.50lardman|workmorning
10:02.27lardman|workhi XorA, how was your holiday?
10:02.55XorAlardman|work: it was cool, but sun was tooo hot for me
10:03.03lardman|workXorA: You were interested in overclocking weren't you? Guylhem has produced a patch for the pxa255
10:03.16lardman|workXorA: For OE that is
10:10.13XorAlardman|work: only vaguely, I dont currently have a performance issue
10:10.21XorAlardman|work: I was mor interested in working cpufreq
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10:16.26lardman|workPossible convert with a c3200 who needs more help with flashing. Anyone have one of these?: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19646&st=15
10:16.35lardman|workXorA: Akay
10:16.39lardman|workOkay even
10:17.14lardman|workOh yes, guylhem has also implemented the single root partition thing which might be useful
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10:18.28lardman|workIs there no 2.6 kernel image for the c3200?
10:18.45NAbysslardman|work: there is if you build off .dev..
10:19.13lardman|workNAbyss: Thanks, I was just thinking of one for a user
10:19.45XorAlardman|work: do you have mplayer on system?
10:19.53NAbysslardman|work: Not AFAIK, for 3.5.4.. but if they need an image, I build opie-image for borzoi
10:20.54lardman|workXorA: Not atm
10:21.07lardman|workNAbyss: Don't worry too much, but thanks :)
10:21.12NAbysslardman|work: Okies :)
10:21.52lardman|workXorA: Mardy has produced a partially accelerated xserver for the c7x0 too, which is good news
10:22.04lardman|workOr at least started to produce said xserver
10:22.13XorAlardman|work: I saw the email when I came back, but I deleted it :-(
10:22.35lardman|workXorA: No source afaict, it was stripped from the email
10:23.39XorAcrappit, my mplayer doesnt know w100
10:25.20lardman|workXorA: Such as shame the iDCT, etc., stuff in the w100 is unusable
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10:26.48hrw|workre
10:26.52lardman|workhey hrw
10:29.12XorAlardman|work: what and why?
10:37.14lardman|workXorA: Regarding iDCT? inverse discrete cosine transform for video decoding, and because there's no documentation nor source code afaik
10:41.37lardman|workIt's a shame they don't release more info like Ti do - I was browsing the example code, etc., for my Nokia 770's hw acceleration yesterday
10:55.08hrw|workhttp://www.hrw.one.pl/2006/05/30/new-look/
10:55.38XorAlardman|work: ah, its in the chip, but we dont know how to use it, I understand, pity as it should be fairly easy to hack into mplayer
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11:16.50lardman|workXorA: Yep, it has iDCT, motion compensation, scaling, colour space conversion and QCif/Cif decoding @ 30fps, and iirc some jpeg acceleration functions too.
11:17.01lardman|workaccording to the spec sheet anyway
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11:24.10lardman|workhi bronson
11:24.35bronsonhola lardman
11:24.56hrw|workhi bronson
11:25.15bronsongood morning hrw
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11:27.20XorAlardman|bbiab: datasheet for that would be nice, but they lost it :-(
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11:54.29lardman|workXorA: They lost it?
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12:18.17XorAmplayer_1.0pre7+cvs20060519-r0_c7x0.ipk with w100 support
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12:23.44lardman|workAnyone remember whether the Sharp media player that came with the c7x0 was unusually fast? I wonder if they used the w100 hw accel in it?
12:24.54lardman|workNo, nor did I actually
12:25.17XorAI only ever played the demo clip
12:25.24lardman|workI wonder what it was based on? I guess that as it was closed source, it must have been written from scratch...?
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12:43.21guylhem_any release of expose-light ? I could only find expose theme
12:45.58lardman|workhi guylhem_
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12:52.05guylhem_is there a built yet?
12:53.39lardman|workI've never heard of it, what is it?
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13:20.16INTERROBANGhollywoodvideo.com/movies/movie.aspx?LF=STL&MID=140995
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13:21.34INTERROBANGwtf
13:21.48INTERROBANGwhat does the c7x0 e-image use for a file manager, text editor, and terminal?
13:21.55INTERROBANGthat's what i meant
13:22.17INTERROBANGthat X mouse button paste is weird
13:23.38lardman|workINTERROBANG: You probably have to install stuff as the image you flashed is only the core bits
13:26.52lardman|work(as it's all so large)
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14:50.08ZuseHello
14:50.22XorAhey
14:50.48Zusedoes somebody know how to handle WPA with hentges ?
14:51.04hrw|workcard works as wlan0?
14:51.26Zuseno just eth0 with OZ RC2 it was wlan0
14:51.55hrw|workshow me 'cardctl ident' or tell which card it is
14:52.06hrw|workthen 'ipkg remove -recursive *orinoco*'
14:52.25ZuseDCF-660W I know you own this card ;)
14:53.28Zuse... just turn on the Z ....
14:53.57hrw|workyes..
14:54.52Zuseis there any known bug for suspend wake-up in OZ for C1000 ?
14:55.08hrw|workdo not remember
14:56.11Zusefor long time suspend... the Akita will not wake-up again.
14:57.01hrw|workhow much is long?
14:57.11hrw|workand is it connected to AC during this?
14:57.56obergix[work]Zuse: which version ?
14:58.23ZuseI tried OZ Opie RC2 and the new hentges for aktia
14:59.04Zuseit happens on both battery and AC
14:59.20Zuselong means more or less > 20 mins
14:59.34Zusedidn't test the timing exactly
15:00.39Zusethe prob is that only a reset will bring it back to life. Not good if you runned any applications before.
15:05.24ZuseO.k. if i start wpa_supplicant I get: Operation is not supported....
15:05.27obergix[work]Zuse: try with latest RC4 maybe
15:05.44hrw|workZuse: removed *orinoco*?
15:06.13Zusehrw: Yes i did just do a reboot of the Z (Windows Style ;) )
15:07.13Zusethere is no cardctl in OZ and hentges ?!?!
15:07.21hrw|workpccardctl then
15:07.31ZuseAH O.K.
15:08.07Zuseobergix: I will try RC4 thanks
15:11.18Zusepccardctl ident reports D-Link DCF-660W .... all looks fine
15:11.48Zuseafter reboot wlan0 is back i bet WPA will work now ....
15:12.23Zuselet me just change the confs then I can give you feedback
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15:19.48Zuseo.k. wpa_supplicant seems to run now. However, ifup and ifdown reports: duplicate interface "wlan0" ?!
15:20.08hrw|workstrange
15:22.35Zuseiwconfig shows wlan0 ifconfig not here I can only see the local loopback
15:23.02hrw|workwpa-supplicant started at all?
15:24.58Zusei start it manually with wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -D hostap
15:25.13Zuseit runs without error msg
15:25.19hobbsIsn't -Dhostap for really old drivers?
15:26.15hrw|workno
15:26.29ZuseI think my wpa prob is solved just a more generic problem now.  
15:26.36hobbsokie. I use -Dwext on mine and it goes alright.
15:27.04ZuseIf I unplug the card dmesg tells me hostap_cs: Shutdown failed
15:27.05hrw|workboth will work
15:28.02ZuseDo I have to restart some dameons or change some conf files ?
15:28.36hrw|work(pc)cardctl eject
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15:29.11hrw|workcu
15:29.14hrw|workcu
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16:33.08ZuseDoes anybody know how reliable is the suspend wake-on for OZ RC4 compared to RC2 ?
16:37.54JustinPZuse: wake-on?
16:38.07JustinPZuse: for what device? suspend/resume works great for the Cxx00
16:38.47ZuseJustinP sorry I mean resume; for C1000
16:39.21CoreDump|homeshould work perfectly fine
16:40.07hobbsyou mean resume-on-RTC maybe?
16:40.28CoreDump|homeah, that I never tried
16:41.16hobbsIt works occasionally on my collie. Haven't tried it on my C1000.
16:41.28hobbsBut yeah, as far as ordinary suspend/resume, I haven't had a single glitch yet
16:41.31hobbsWhich is a nice improvement
16:41.41CoreDump|home~praise RP
16:41.42ibotAll hail RP!
16:42.14ZuseHow to say its more a long time problem. If I press "On/Off" it turn off, wait for x sec press again it will turn on but only if t < 1200s (20 min)  
16:42.50Zusefor longer off periods it will not resume again
16:43.18CoreDump|homeZuse: I always suspend w/ the power button on akita and can't remember any resume probs after 24+ hours
16:44.38ZuseCoreDump: Maybe some of my hardware... use a kingston Elite Pro 1GB and a DLINK DCF-660W Wlan card
16:45.08lardman|workZuse: Does it depend on whether the power lead's plugged in?
16:46.55hobbsZuse: Have you pressed a key to make sure it didn't just wake up with the LCD turned off? I've been caught by that one.
16:47.06radugaI *have* seen this under pdaXrom
16:47.16radugaa bug that's been fixed recently (iirc)
16:47.41Zuselardman: I need to check this in detail but might be... hrw asked for that as already.
16:47.52JustinPZuse: I have also seem my LCD stay off when I turn on my Z. I always touch the screen and it's resumed fine.
16:48.30JustinPZuse: someone else (jnc) had some similar problems with his spitz which noone else could reproduce. I suggest removing your cards (esp. Wifi) and see if that makes a difference.
16:48.33Zusehobbs, justinP: I tried really everything to resume it just a reset and reboot helps
16:48.50JustinPZuse: also try doing it with the power plugged in and see if that makes a difference
16:49.46Zuseall: I will investigate this is a more scientific way and try different combinations. Will post this in oesf then
16:50.39Zuseraduga: yes I had the same in pdaXrom that was the reason I switched to OZ resp. hentges
16:51.06CoreDump|homefwfi I had my screen blank and it wouldn't unblank w/o setting the brightness manually
16:51.22CoreDump|homes/fwfi/fwiw
16:52.05ZuseMaybe it is my SD-card. Also for copy files it takes sometimes quit long.?!?!
16:52.20lardman|workJustinP: Yes, I get no backlight when I switch my c7x0 on and have to tap the screen (e-image-core)
16:53.16lardman|workZuse: You could also plug it into a computer and see whether the usb port wakes up when you switch on, etc.
16:53.40ZuseCoredump: Might it be possible to indicate a correct suspend and a correct resume with a little beep. Therefore, I can seperate a crash from a suspend.
16:56.11ZuseThe problem I have with this issue is that I never know whether the Z suspend correctly (no battery drain) or just crashed (for some reasons) but still consume high current  
16:57.21Zuselardman: Thanks, right the USB could be a nice indicator if the problem just keep the display dark
16:57.38CoreDump|homeZuse: a beep on suspend would have to be placed on kernel level
16:58.26CoreDump|homea beep on resume would be very easy to add. I like the idea =)
16:59.10ZuseCoredump: I thought there are two folders for pre-suspend and pre-resume ?
16:59.42CoreDump|homeZuse: exactly, however, "presuspend" means "I'll now try suspending"
17:00.46ZuseAnd HEY just produced the problem again, my Akita died. If I plug it to the power cord the power light will not turn on. Any ideas what could i test now ?
17:01.25hobbsno power LED means that the kernel is completely stuffed, from what I remember
17:01.28hobbsthe question is why
17:01.37CoreDump|homehmm now power LED w/ AC usually means your kernel crap its pants
17:01.37ZuseCoredump: As usual with all pre stuff, I have a lot of pre-task in my life were I try to do something ;)
17:02.01Zuse.... is that bad ;)
17:02.10CoreDump|homeZuse: try w/o SD and CF stuff
17:02.17CoreDump|homes/stuff/cards
17:02.32ZuseCoredump: Did already my Akita is naked ..
17:02.42CoreDump|homehmmmm
17:03.12ZuseIf I reset know any changes to see some log-files later ?
17:03.12CoreDump|homewell did you reboot after removing the cards? Some module might still haven been loaded after ejecting
17:03.42ZuseSorry, *now
17:03.53CoreDump|homeZuse: nope and since your kernel is toast it doesn't matter anyway ;)
17:05.11lardman|workZuse: Might also be worth noting whether the power lead is plugged in when you reboot the machine
17:06.46ZuseO.K. just reboot, had to remove the battery as well, after that the power-LED turns on instantly, Boot is running...  
17:07.20lardman|workI'm off home, will see what you find on oesf tomorrow, good luck
17:07.22lardman|worknight all
17:07.25CoreDump|homemeh, Akita has a reset button ;) No need to pull the battery
17:07.34CoreDump|homecya lardman|gone
17:08.05ZuseCoredump: ;) Thanks but even that didn't do the job had to pull the battery
17:08.16CoreDump|homehmm
17:08.32Zuseit totally crashed :(
17:09.43ZuseO.K. ten times power on / power off, no problem, without SD and WLAN
17:10.56ZuseNow with SD ..... no problem :)
17:11.02CoreDump|home=)
17:11.21guylhem_a stupid question - how can the backlight be turned on/off from the cmdline ?
17:11.36guylhem_I tried to echo > /sys/(...)bl/power/state, but it didn't work
17:12.07CoreDump|homeguylhem_: just echo a brightness value into "brightness"
17:12.41guylhem_I would like ideally to turn the backlight and the w100 off, for when the screen is closed
17:12.41CoreDump|homeFn+1 / Fn+2 should work in GPE images on c7x0 and cxx00
17:12.43Zuseadd WLAN .... interesting 10 times cycle all fine but it takes longer to resume AND my backlight decrease !!
17:13.06CoreDump|homeguylhem_: hmm the screen is turned off on cxx00
17:13.13CoreDump|homeon lid-close I mean
17:13.24guylhem_CoreDump|home my keyboard is not working correctly on c7x0 - I have to look at the xmodmap
17:13.42guylhem_CoreDump|home the relevant part of the script is commented - it only has apm -s
17:13.52CoreDump|homeinteresting, I would have thought c7x0 keymap would be perfect by now
17:14.27hobbsCoreDump|home: I noticed last night that my backlight doesn't reliably turn off when I close the lid. Haven't had the energy to track down the bug though
17:14.42CoreDump|homehobbs: :\
17:14.52guylhem_CoreDump|home : I submitted a fixed console mode keymap, I have to look at X issues now
17:15.09hobbsCoreDump|home: not sure why, but I can definitely see the light leaking out
17:15.25CoreDump|homehobbs: now that you mention it I see it, too. argh!
17:16.14CoreDump|homehobbs: you ight want to check zaurusd's script for lid-close
17:16.54radugamy 'fix' for the bug is "apm -s" before closing the lid :/
17:16.54guylhem_hoobs  : look at zaurus-hinge script in /etc/zaurusd/scripts
17:16.59guylhem_it is case 2
17:17.40hobbsheh
17:17.50CoreDump|homeguylhem_: ah, we removed the apm -s because it was annoying as hell on lid-close. I guess no-one bothers to turn off the bl heh
17:18.04JustinPlardman|gone: you're actually using e-image-core? Is it working for you?
17:18.22guylhem_CoreDump|home - I will try to
17:18.23hobbsit doesn't seem to do anything... does that mean that the "on lid close" option in the opie power applet affects nothing?
17:18.41ZuseI tried now all combinations for resume and suspend: with power cord, without; with SD and without; with CF and without; plus remove SD or CF during suspend.... all works fine several cycles.
17:18.44CoreDump|homehobbs: err, on Opie I dunno
17:19.20Zusenow I have to test long time periods ...
17:19.33CoreDump|homeraduga: I hope we have one day a gpe-conf option for the lid-close event
17:20.12ZuseOr just solve the problem by "never stopp to work with the Z" ;)
17:21.23ZuseCoredump: is there any difference if the Z suspend by itself or if I initiate the suspend by pressing the power button ?
17:21.50CoreDump|homeZuse: I don't think so but I'm not sure
17:22.39ZuseCoreDump: just because as far as I remember the problem only appears if the Z suspend by itself !!!
17:23.57CoreDump|homethat would probably a question for RP (our kernel guy)
17:25.06hobbsCoreDump|home: actually the entire hinge script in zaurusd is geared to GPE, even on Opie images. So I suppose the relevant handling for my machine is inside the opie applet
17:26.47ZuseI will investigate this problem in more detail and post it, if it is really a bug it is a very annoying one.
17:35.41ZuseHave to leave, thanks to all for help bye
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17:40.54hobbsopie bug tracker has bugs that have been in "assigned" state for 3 years
17:49.05JustinPif it's an "auto-suspend" problem it could have to do with ipaq-sleep...
18:00.05jtddoes anyone here work on any packages that require XFree86-DGA?  I'm trying to figure out why snes9x can't see it.
18:06.25jtdor why it's not getting loaded by the X server, I gues.
18:06.42jtdthis implementation of X doesn't appear to have an XF86Config.
18:08.51hobbsbecause it's not XFree86 ;)
18:16.48jtdthat would be a good reason why ;)
18:16.48jtdbut it should be able to use that library, no?
18:18.22hobbsnot necessarily.
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21:21.17guylhem_XorA : I have some problem with your mplayer. Can't get any decent framerate at 640x352... did you had any chance ?
21:26.10JustinPguylhem_: did you switch to the alternate sound output? (don't ask me how, I don't remember)
21:26.46guylhem_JustinP - I tried with -ao null
21:27.01guylhem_it didn't help...
21:27.43hrw-ac mad -ao alsa
21:30.43guylhem_the problem isn't with the sound, but with the video. No good framerate. The original video is  640 x 352 20 fps 248 kps
21:31.10guylhem_are you using this mplayer -vo w100 on a 2.6.16 with good results ?
21:31.22guylhem_(ie vga-like resolution?)
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21:37.06subdueguylhem_: on the 6k?
21:37.46subdueif so, try -really-quiet -framedrop -cache 512 -vo fbdev -fbmode qvga -vm -vop rotate=1
21:37.51guylhem_subdue : I'd be interested as well in the resolution and the framerate you can achieve
21:38.27subdueI usually use the 320 rather than 640
21:38.33subdueno sense on the 640
21:38.49subdue@320 it plays nicely
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21:40.09subdueyou still looking for the elusive 640?
21:43.04subdueat least with these settings I can use the entire 6K screen in landscape mode
21:45.49subdueis that of any help?
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21:53.37guylhem_but my question was for the c7x0 with a mplayer w100
21:53.47guylhem_subdue, it is helpful for the 6000
21:54.09subdueok. some of the settings there might work on the 7xx
21:54.13subduemaybe not the rotate
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21:57.07Zusehi to all
21:57.14hrwTorsten
21:57.32ZuseOh my secret is found right ;)
21:58.05hrwsecret?
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21:58.12hrw:D
21:58.18Zuse;)
21:58.30hrwhttp://openzaurus.berlios.de/KernelInfo24 - rewritten
21:58.40Zusedoes this channel prefer real names ?
21:58.42hobbsKonrad Zuse?
21:58.54Zuseone of my idols yes
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22:01.51ZuseI investigate the resume problem I dicussed before with Coredump, hobbs, JustinP etc.
22:02.06hobbsoh, right, that was you.
22:02.25Zusehobbs. yes it was me :P
22:05.40Zuseit seems to be really a long time problem. All "short cycle" suspend and resume combinations I tried works fine. After that i had to stop and tried to power on the Z 3.5 hours later without luck :(  
22:08.12hrw~zauruskernel
22:08.15hrw~zauruskernels
22:08.17ibothmm... zauruskernels is By default Zaurus used 2.4.18 or 2.4.20 which need GCC 2.95.3 to compile - all is described in OE wiki: http://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ZaurusKernels Now we work on moving all models to 2.6 kernels: http://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ZaurusKernels26
22:12.21Zuseby the way is there any cross-dev-env for OZ or any information how to set-up one ?
22:13.18hrwZuse: 3.5.4/sdk/ contain cross-sdk
22:15.32Zusehrw: found it, any infos about it e.g. how to set-up
22:16.00hrwunpack, add into PATH and use like normal crosscompiler?
22:17.03Zusehrw: o.k o.k i just use a LFS system for other crosscompiler tasks and therefore it might need some more :D
22:17.16hrwok
22:18.43Zusehrw: did you ever try a cross Linux from Scratch for the Z ?
22:18.50hrwno
22:22.42Zusehrw: i just tried my WLAN :/ ifdown and ifup still troubles with "ifdown: duplicate interface "wlan0""
22:23.02hrwworks for me
22:24.00Zusehrw: hmmm... yesterday i really put my fingers deep inside the system... maybe I will reflash and try again, before we notice that I'am the bug ;)
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23:30.56INTERROBANGwhat's the key combo for the tilde character?
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