| 00:01.09 | JustinP | deltron: should pretty much just work.... I know there are how-tos online |
| 00:01.41 | deltron | i found a bunch for the sharp firmware |
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| 00:41.35 | danboid | How do I unhide the panel in GPE? |
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| 01:42.24 | jtd | danboid: you should just be able to click on that grey line at the bottom. |
| 02:15.22 | Interrobang | what are the word processing solutions for OPIE? i'm looking for something that can save to MS Word .doc format. will hancom work on OZ 3.5.4.1 OPIE? |
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| 02:23.20 | tchan | try abiword |
| 02:24.23 | Interrobang | isn't abiword X based? |
| 02:30.02 | Interrobang | ugh, i don't want some cheap qtopia->vnc->x11 solution |
| 02:30.57 | tchan | I think they have abiword on GPE and OZ 3.5.4.1 |
| 02:31.25 | Interrobang | yeah i know, but i'm there's a problem with rxvt text size being too small and i can't fix it |
| 02:32.08 | Interrobang | any1 know how to change the font size in rxvt? the gpe terminal settings don't apply |
| 02:32.58 | tchan | just checking and I think they have abiword-2.4.4 working on OZ/OPIE |
| 02:33.46 | tchan | http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Distributions and look for abiword |
| 02:37.15 | Interrobang | i know pdax and cacko have abiword and hancom respectively, but what about OZ? |
| 02:37.45 | Interrobang | also, aren't those programs compiled for different versions? |
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| 02:57.35 | JustinP | hancom is compiled with hardfloat, OZ is softfloat |
| 02:57.47 | JustinP | you could recompile OZ with hardfloat and it might work |
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| 03:05.56 | Interrobang | any word processing solutions that dont' involved recompilation? |
| 03:06.02 | Interrobang | for OPIE that is |
| 03:18.15 | Interrobang | in the C7x0 3.5.4.1 GPE image, the text in rxvt is very tiny despite settings in GPE's Look and Fell. how do i enlarge the text? |
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| 07:12.57 | pgas | CoreDump|home: hi |
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| 07:17.41 | pgas | when you install an tar.gz to a "real filesystem" using the altboot menu the only thing it does is to untar the rootfs right? |
| 07:25.24 | johnX | it looks that way |
| 07:26.03 | johnX | but don't trust any important files to my unprofessional opinion ... |
| 07:30.22 | pgas | ehe np I dont't have important file on my Z anyway ;) |
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| 07:51.04 | jtd | hey guys |
| 07:51.14 | jtd | where is the default path stored when you log in to your Z? |
| 07:51.28 | jtd | in other words what determines what your $PATH is |
| 07:51.58 | XorA | jtd: in opie? |
| 07:52.03 | jtd | GPE. |
| 07:52.07 | jtd | but either, I suspect. |
| 07:52.13 | hrw|work | morning |
| 07:52.16 | jtd | hi hrw |
| 07:52.17 | XorA | jtd: hmm, I should know this |
| 07:52.28 | XorA | ah, the super genius hrw|work is here |
| 07:52.34 | jtd | it seems to be different on every platform |
| 07:52.37 | jtd | between distros, even |
| 07:52.38 | hrw|work | hahaha XorA |
| 07:52.43 | XorA | jtd: /etc/profile |
| 07:52.50 | jtd | I just want to add /sbin to my $PATH, permanently |
| 07:52.54 | jtd | yeah? ok |
| 07:53.57 | pgas | jtd: you can add "export PATH=/sbin:$PATH" in ~/.profile also |
| 07:54.17 | jtd | ... what the hell?! |
| 07:54.22 | jtd | my keys are rotated! |
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| 07:54.42 | jtd | up is right, down is left, left is up and right is down |
| 07:54.48 | jtd | how the hell did that happen?! |
| 07:55.14 | XorA | jtd: you rotated on a c7x0? |
| 07:56.18 | jtd | no dude |
| 07:56.18 | jtd | Akita |
| 07:56.18 | XorA | jtd: a clamshell anyway |
| 07:56.30 | jtd | XorA: how do I fix this? the rotate applet actually doesn't do anything |
| 07:56.47 | XorA | jtd: log out, log back in, you probaly find rotate now works right |
| 07:56.59 | XorA | jtd: it breaks if clock goes from 1970 -> today |
| 07:57.17 | jtd | O_o |
| 07:57.30 | jtd | why would it go to 1970? |
| 07:58.25 | XorA | jtd: thats what the RTC is at be default after a total reset |
| 07:58.53 | jtd | oh. something else. how do I change my rxvt color scheme to white-on-black instead of black-on-white? |
| 07:59.20 | johnX | you should be able to edit that into your ~/.Xdefaults |
| 07:59.23 | hobbs | change the .desktop file so it gives rxvt the "-rv" option |
| 07:59.34 | pgas | or see http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19495 |
| 07:59.37 | hobbs | or that |
| 08:03.00 | jtd | excellent. :) |
| 08:03.02 | jtd | thanks, guys. |
| 08:09.22 | johnX | cool |
| 08:10.08 | pgas | have you runned out of memory when albooting on sd? I had to hard reboot and get my fs completely borked. I'm not totally confident in the way altoboot work on 7x0 ( as it seems to mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/ROM with jffs2 for instance) |
| 08:10.44 | hobbs | pgas: it doesn't, that's just the mount table getting confused |
| 08:10.48 | jtd | What's an e-image, available alongside with opie-image and gpe-image? |
| 08:10.48 | jtd | : It is enlightenment on x-window |
| 08:10.48 | jtd | :: Is it E17? With gpe? Or what? |
| 08:10.55 | jtd | oops. |
| 08:10.59 | jtd | sorry. clipboard hiccup. |
| 08:11.06 | johnX | E17 on X I believe |
| 08:11.28 | hobbs | pgas: And... yeah, I've run out of RAM a couple times to the point of having to reboot. It _does_ cause fs hiccups sometimes. I switched my card to use ext3 and it helps |
| 08:12.06 | pgas | hobbs: I've tried that it didn t help me ;) |
| 08:12.13 | johnX | I don't know if it works in all cases, but it helps to do an emergency sync/umount/reboot |
| 08:12.37 | johnX | also, I usually just swap to SD since I have a card with a lifetime warranty |
| 08:12.54 | hobbs | nice |
| 08:13.16 | hobbs | I have a swap file on my card but I don't activate it unless I _expect_ bad stuff ;) |
| 08:14.21 | jtd | we have a module for ext3? |
| 08:14.55 | johnX | yup |
| 08:14.57 | hobbs | yeah. Gettable for 2.4, and I think included by default for 2.6 |
| 08:15.02 | johnX | I think it's even installed by default |
| 08:15.13 | hobbs | (And 2.6 runs nice and smooth for me) |
| 08:15.15 | jtd | neat. |
| 08:15.23 | jtd | jeez, the FAQ needs cleaning. |
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| 08:17.13 | hobbs | just a bit |
| 08:17.38 | hrw|work | then do it |
| 08:17.44 | hrw|work | its wiki ;) |
| 08:18.10 | jtd | hrw|work: that's what I'm doing instead of the research I should be doing at the moment ;) |
| 08:19.55 | jtd | there. that's a little better, at least. |
| 08:23.41 | hrw|work | more readable |
| 08:24.56 | jtd | also moved some of the answered stuff to their respective categories |
| 08:26.04 | jtd | I feel it's a good idea to move good info from the Forum to the Wiki whenever possible |
| 08:29.22 | hrw|work | added some stuff into faq |
| 08:31.16 | jtd | nice :) |
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| 08:40.40 | pgas | does ipkg download also downloads the dependencies automatically? |
| 08:40.50 | jtd | it sure does. |
| 08:41.22 | pgas | ipkg download not ipkg install right? |
| 08:41.23 | jtd | ipkg is like apt, but a little dumber. :) |
| 08:41.35 | jtd | oh, sorry. I read that wrong. |
| 08:42.24 | jtd | no, I don't believe it does. |
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| 09:14.15 | lardman|work | Anyone here running e-image-core? |
| 09:14.21 | jtd | you know, I was. |
| 09:14.25 | lardman|work | I see that if you reboot, you don't get a login prompt |
| 09:14.30 | jtd | but it seemed to have severe suspend issues. |
| 09:14.43 | lardman|work | and I keep getting turfed out after I log in |
| 09:14.44 | jtd | really? |
| 09:14.52 | jtd | that I don't recall. |
| 09:14.54 | lardman|work | jtd: Suspend issues? What kind of thing? |
| 09:15.15 | jtd | I do recall suspending, hitting my power button, watching the backlight come on, and then... nirvana. nil. nothing. nada. |
| 09:15.26 | lardman|work | I know the screen stays dark after you resume, I have to tap the screen then |
| 09:15.40 | jtd | I tapdanced on the screen and still no joy. |
| 09:15.46 | lardman|work | Still a few bugs to iron out I guess ;) |
| 09:16.00 | lardman|work | I was about to ask. I'm running on a c7x0 |
| 09:17.12 | jtd | GPE for me. |
| 09:17.19 | jtd | I just wish someone would fix snes9x. |
| 09:17.39 | jtd | that would fix the "dearth of games" issue on GPE. |
| 09:22.16 | lardman|work | jtd: You just volunteered ;) |
| 09:23.53 | lardman|work | What's the problem with snes9x? |
| 09:24.42 | lardman|work | I can't find any bugs for it on the bugtracker |
| 09:40.37 | jtd | no idea how. |
| 09:40.45 | jtd | I submitted a bug a few days ago |
| 09:41.05 | jtd | you can't find any bugs for it because the bugtracker has no entry for it. I had to submit it under task-games or something like that. |
| 09:41.09 | jtd | here |
| 09:41.40 | jtd | http://www.handhelds.org/~bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1667 |
| 09:46.25 | jtd | if someone would fix snes9x, Sylpheed http://www.handhelds.org/~bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1668 , and gpe-nmf http://www.handhelds.org/~bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1673 , I would be seriously happy :) |
| 09:52.46 | XorA | jtd: sylpheed works for me |
| 09:53.46 | hrw|work | jtd: that sylpheed bugraport is USELESS... |
| 09:53.52 | XorA | jtd: also sylpheed does cache IMAP headers |
| 09:53.57 | hrw|work | jtd: where is sylpheed version? |
| 09:54.21 | hrw|work | jtd: there was no sylpheed rc2 or sylpheed rc4 |
| 09:54.51 | XorA | and why are OpenZaurus bugs in handhelds.org bugzilla? |
| 09:56.39 | pgas | hrw|work: sylpheed comes bundled with gpe |
| 09:57.14 | XorA | pgas: I am the OE maintianer for it, so we are well aware what comes/does not come :-) |
| 09:57.19 | hrw|work | pgas: I know that |
| 09:57.45 | hrw|work | pgas: but I do not remember sylpheed version 'rc2' |
| 09:58.06 | XorA | hrw|work: I thought you put 2.2.X in OZ-rcX |
| 09:58.18 | pgas | I see |
| 09:58.30 | hrw|work | XorA: bugraport tell about version 'rc2' or 'rc4' - not '2.2.x' |
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| 10:00.21 | hrw|work | "0.22-r1's playlist functionality under rc4 on Akita broken" is nice description.. (#1673) |
| 10:08.44 | XorA | snes9x runs here, but the rom I chose to test doesnt :-( |
| 10:10.10 | XorA | ah ok, misread the bug report |
| 10:14.58 | lardman|work | jtd: I'd file bug reports about things which are not GPE related, in the OE bugtracker |
| 10:25.29 | johnX | is there a sane way to downgrade a package? |
| 10:25.59 | johnX | ipkg -force-downgrade is says "package x is up to date, nothing to be done" and exits |
| 10:26.38 | johnX | if I use ipkg -force-downgrade -force-reinstall local-package.ipk it goes out to the feeds and finds the most up to date |
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| 10:31.54 | johnX | and if I use -force-depends to remove the offending package and then try to explicitly tell ipkg to install the install the local version it just goes out and get the most up to date instead |
| 10:37.12 | jtd | Sylpheed's multi-server support is broken |
| 10:38.04 | hrw|work | jtd: only on Z or also on desktop? |
| 10:38.19 | jtd | and I thought the OE bugtracker was for the actual OE build system |
| 10:38.30 | jtd | not unaffiliated-with-Opie-or-GPE packages |
| 10:38.50 | jtd | hrw|work: only on the Z. |
| 10:39.22 | johnX | jtd: well it's for the OE build system, distros that are built out of it, and distro specific problems for packages |
| 10:39.37 | jtd | ... |
| 10:39.57 | johnX | it wasn't very clear to me either ... |
| 10:39.59 | jtd | it seems to me that we have a REMARKABLY arbitrary partitioning for bugtrackers |
| 10:40.10 | johnX | it makes sense in a way |
| 10:40.22 | jtd | I don't particularly think it does. |
| 10:40.36 | jtd | have one bugtracker for the OE build system, and one bugtracker for all the distros. |
| 10:40.56 | jtd | Opie/GPE/E/bootstrap. |
| 10:41.10 | jtd | then you just tree down from the OE distribution root. |
| 10:41.31 | johnX | er...but the GPE devs are separate from the OE devs |
| 10:41.43 | hrw|work | or: OE, BitBake, OZ, Familiar, Angstrom, OPIE, GPE, E, Bootstrap - each in own one? |
| 10:41.53 | johnX | if you have a problem with the core functionality of gpe-nmf the OE guys can't fix it, because it's not their code |
| 10:42.16 | johnX | if you have a problem with the way snes9x is packaged in OZ it's a problem for the OE guys |
| 10:42.17 | hrw|work | but if gpe-nmf does not work because bug in packaging then it is OE bug |
| 10:42.19 | jtd | AHA |
| 10:42.24 | jtd | EXACTLY! |
| 10:42.43 | jtd | how is a bug reporter to know whether it's a problem with code or a problem with the way it's packaged? |
| 10:42.54 | johnX | psychic powers |
| 10:42.58 | jtd | :) |
| 10:42.59 | johnX | next question? |
| 10:43.38 | jtd | hrw|work: that's why each-in-own-one is a bad idea |
| 10:43.54 | johnX | I guess the answer is, just try as best you can to guess and be as specific as possible |
| 10:43.55 | jtd | as the problem gets troubleshot, it becomes useful for people handling bugs to shuttle the bugs between projects |
| 10:44.19 | jtd | "aha, this is not a GPE bug, it's a problem with the way OE packages it" |
| 10:44.21 | jtd | "off to OE |
| 10:44.24 | jtd | developers" |
| 10:44.34 | hrw|work | jtd: then we should incorporate also busybox Bugtracker into OE? |
| 10:44.35 | jtd | etc |
| 10:44.57 | lardman|work | jtd: It's confusing, but that's life unfortunately |
| 10:44.59 | hrw|work | we have ~3000 packages in OE - do we have to incorporate ~200 bugtrackers in one? |
| 10:45.09 | johnX | jtd: the problem is an age old problem with distributions and software |
| 10:45.20 | jtd | :/ |
| 10:45.51 | johnX | maybe a very descriptive entry in the FAQ would help |
| 10:46.11 | jtd | well, if someone discovers a flaw in busybox, that is a BIG red flag for the whole project |
| 10:46.24 | hrw|work | jtd: for OE or for busybox? |
| 10:46.32 | jtd | hrw|work: yes. :) |
| 10:47.01 | jtd | at that point you would expect the OE devs to flag the bug as something that needs fixing immediately, and send information about it to the busybox project. |
| 10:47.15 | jtd | at least that's how I hope it works. |
| 10:47.36 | johnX | it's all a matter of man-hours though |
| 10:48.55 | johnX | btw, where should I submit a bug report about ipkg absolutely refusing to downgrade something? |
| 10:49.13 | hrw|work | hh.org bugtracker |
| 10:51.23 | jtd | incorrect |
| 10:51.29 | jtd | debian.org bugtracker |
| 10:51.30 | jtd | ;) |
| 10:52.35 | jtd | man |
| 10:52.43 | jtd | imagine if we could get Sharp to sponsor us. |
| 10:52.56 | jtd | just a couple paid devs would make a HUGE difference |
| 10:53.42 | hrw|work | man.. stop dreaming |
| 10:54.04 | jtd | hehe |
| 10:54.05 | hrw|work | Sharp does not even care about Zaurus users |
| 10:54.10 | johnX | sharp hates the fact that anyone makes software for the zaurus |
| 10:54.30 | jtd | that boggles my mind. |
| 10:54.40 | johnX | we're just lucky they don't come door to door and threaten users |
| 10:55.06 | jtd | why make the thing run Linux if they don't want an active user community? |
| 10:55.21 | jtd | put Symbian or something on it and enjoy your evil hegemony |
| 10:55.42 | johnX | they wanted an open source, licensing fee-free OS...not a user community |
| 10:57.25 | jtd | stupid. they could position themselves as THE producer of open-source-compatible handheld hardware and make boatloads selling accessories |
| 10:57.58 | pgas | hmm I don't seem to have /etc/X11/shepherd.xmodmap is it not needed anymore? |
| 10:58.20 | jtd | then make even more selling vertically integrated software on those platforms to special industries |
| 10:58.25 | jtd | plus support |
| 10:58.38 | johnX | it's a corporate disconnect |
| 10:58.45 | jtd | it boggles the mind. |
| 10:59.01 | johnX | as far as I can tell the Zaurus is sold as an english-japanese dictionary in Japan ... that can play mp3s and videos as wel |
| 10:59.18 | johnX | pgas, I don't have one either on my akita |
| 10:59.26 | johnX | are some keys not mapped correctly? |
| 11:00.04 | pgas | johnX: on akita the coresponding file would be slcXXXX.xmodmap |
| 11:00.34 | johnX | but slcXXXX.xmodmap is just handling the silkscreen buttons on the edge of the screen |
| 11:01.13 | johnX | ah, I see what you mean |
| 11:01.51 | johnX | xmodmap - < /etc/X11/shepherd.xmodmap gets called in /etc/X11/Xinit.d/12keymap but it doesn't exist? |
| 11:02.11 | jtd | translators are a big deal these days for some reason |
| 11:02.18 | pgas | johnX: yes, I wanted to know if this was intentional |
| 11:02.42 | johnX | I don't rightly know |
| 11:03.12 | johnX | you're using GPE, correct? do the silkscreen/touch screen buttons on the edge of the screen work? |
| 11:04.54 | pgas | seems so yes |
| 11:05.19 | jtd | here's a question |
| 11:05.24 | jtd | how do I turn those damn things off? :) |
| 11:05.53 | johnX | use xmodmap to unmap them, maybe |
| 11:06.12 | johnX | then mess around with the X init scripts to make sure that happens every time X starts |
| 11:06.26 | jtd | that sounds hacky |
| 11:06.49 | johnX | you could run xmodmap in a login script |
| 11:07.13 | johnX | is that a little less hacky? |
| 11:08.45 | pgas | johnX: sure, hmm touch screen button doesn't seem to do something in fact ;) |
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| 11:09.26 | pgas | johnX: I don know how they are defined in oz/gpe. maybe have a looke at /etc/keylaunchrc? |
| 11:09.56 | pgas | sorry I meant jtd |
| 11:11.25 | johnX | IIRC, the /etc/X11/slcXXXX.xmodmap file is responsible for the mapping of the touchscreen keypress events to keysyms |
| 11:11.47 | johnX | then keylaunch watches for those keysyms and launches applications accordingly |
| 11:14.27 | XorA | jtd: remove the script from zaurusd (thats the non hacky solution) |
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| 11:27.37 | lardman|work | mickeyl made a comment about disabling the silkscreen keys in certain orientations |
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| 11:41.20 | odo | Are there fast answers to the two following questions? |
| 11:41.39 | XorA | yes |
| 11:41.39 | odo | 1. I have kopi and kapi installed Version 2.2.5 |
| 11:41.45 | johnX | yes |
| 11:42.04 | odo | I try to install korganizer Version 2.2.7 |
| 11:42.41 | odo | ipkg says that there is no kmicrokdelib |
| 11:43.18 | odo | I try to install libmicrokdelib_2_2_7 but I get the error that this is installed |
| 11:43.51 | odo | I tried -force-installed with no luck |
| 11:44.41 | odo | I won't try deinstalling libmicrokdelibs_2_2_5 again, last time I tried that ended with a NAND-Restore |
| 11:45.02 | johnX | did you try ipkg -force-depends install on korganizer |
| 11:45.21 | johnX | it sounds like maybe korganizer just wants a slightly different version of kmicrokdelib |
| 11:45.35 | johnX | maybe, I really don't know much about any KDE stuff |
| 11:45.35 | odo | no, not yet, I will try right now |
| 11:45.59 | johnX | on a different topic: Do stereo bluetooth headphones work in OZ? |
| 11:47.05 | odo | not yet tried, but I have difficulties to get a USB-Bluetooth-adapter to work with 3.5.4.1, too |
| 11:47.44 | hrw|work | odo: where from kdepimpi 2.2.7 taken? |
| 11:48.11 | hrw|work | I do not built 2.2.7 for oz 3.5.4.x |
| 11:48.13 | odo | from sourceforge |
| 11:48.34 | odo | this could be the solution |
| 11:48.59 | odo | Then you might know the answer to my second question ... |
| 11:49.20 | hrw|work | johnX: if your BT is faster then 230kbps then why not.. |
| 11:50.16 | odo | With CACKO 1.23 and kdepim 2.2.7 it was possible to import the vCard.vcf of teh apple addressbook without problems, with kopi 2.2.5 it is not possible. |
| 11:50.41 | hrw|work | odo: ever thinked about requesting 2.2.7 for OZ? |
| 11:51.00 | hrw|work | I guess that probably not.... |
| 11:52.01 | odo | I have the zaurus one month now ... trying many things first before bothering people with requesting things# |
| 11:52.03 | johnX | hrw|work: the answer is, they didn't until about 5 minutes ago when I got the newest version of the a2dp bluetooth alsa plugin to build and install and work |
| 11:52.16 | jtd | 230kbps just for stereo audio? |
| 11:52.40 | XorA | johnX: hmm, now my interest is turned on |
| 11:52.42 | hrw|work | jtd: friend bought a2dp headphones recently and 230kbps is too low |
| 11:53.17 | johnX | btsco 0.42 or latest cvs should do the trick |
| 11:53.35 | XorA | surely stereo is 1.3Mbps |
| 11:53.52 | johnX | dunno how much bandwidth it takes but I'm using it right now :D |
| 11:54.16 | XorA | upper limit on bt being 750kbps if I remeber right |
| 11:54.31 | johnX | XorA: It's something like that |
| 11:54.31 | hrw|work | XorA: 921kbps is most BT dongles |
| 11:54.53 | XorA | hrw|work: that doesnt take into account the framing bytes though |
| 11:55.02 | johnX | they use a specially designed simple lossy codec |
| 11:55.11 | hrw|work | XorA: probably |
| 11:55.31 | hrw|work | anyway 921kbps module is 99 pln now |
| 11:55.36 | hrw|work | ~change 99 pln to eur |
| 11:56.22 | johnX | and as a bonus the bluetooth-alsa guys have been optimizing their stuff to work on xscale gumstix so it's very fixed-point friendly |
| 12:03.06 | johnX | now I need to clean up my .bb files so this all has some hope of working without force-installing a ton of packages |
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| 13:12.06 | alan|home | hi all |
| 13:53.18 | lardman|work | I note the mail LED on my c7x0 flashes as if simulating HDD access, is this by design? |
| 13:55.17 | hrw|work | yes |
| 13:55.27 | lardman|work | cool |
| 13:55.29 | hrw|work | green led works as nand usage led now |
| 13:55.41 | hrw|work | lardman|work: its in release notes |
| 13:55.50 | hrw|work | copy into faq if want |
| 13:55.59 | lardman|work | hrw|work: release notes!? What are they? ;) |
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| 13:57.38 | hrw|work | lardman|work: they are one of things which block release |
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| 14:03.18 | Gabriel | im trying to use a deleo usb device with and the dmesg output says it attached to ttyUSB0 but in /dev i cant find anything |
| 14:03.30 | Gabriel | im using pdaxrom beta4 atm |
| 14:03.32 | Gabriel | 2.6 kernel |
| 14:03.41 | Gabriel | when i was using the 2.4 kernal i could see the ttyUSB0 but a cat on it didnt show the raw output |
| 14:03.56 | Gabriel | Does anyone have any ideas by any chance? |
| 14:13.03 | lardman|work | Gabriel: Can you post the dmesg output in pastebin? |
| 14:13.54 | hrw|work | lardman|work: I already help him on #zaurus |
| 14:14.42 | lardman|work | hrw|work: Ah, okay :) |
| 14:17.39 | alan|home | arf... bad news : i am refused as a philosophy teacher for next year... 2 000 candidates, 30 places to take... too hard for me...... |
| 14:18.39 | hrw|work | alan|home: ;( |
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| 14:22.15 | alan|home | time to look for another job... |
| 14:52.36 | XorA | alan|home: good luck |
| 15:13.49 | Interrobang | can some1 with GPE on their system please tell me what "cat ~/.Xdefaults | grep font" says? |
| 15:14.05 | Interrobang | in the C7x0 3.5.4.1 GPE image, the text in rxvt is very tiny despite settings in GPE's Look and Fell. i'm trying to fix the font |
| 15:18.29 | XorA | Rxvt*font: xft:DejaVu Sans Mono:pixelsize=9 |
| 15:18.57 | Interrobang | thx |
| 15:19.25 | Interrobang | can any1 running 3.5.4.1 do the same plz? |
| 15:27.23 | Interrobang | i think the reason rxvt's text is so small is because it can't loaded the Bitstream font, any idea why this might by so? |
| 15:28.02 | hrw|work | I always install ttf-dejavu instead of vera crap |
| 15:28.02 | Interrobang | oh no wait, it works with some kind of font, probably bitstream, when there is no font setting in .Xdefaults |
| 15:28.22 | Interrobang | i thinking hat if it doesn't load bitstream, it won't work with anything |
| 15:29.51 | lardman|work | bye guys, have a nice weekend |
| 15:30.01 | hrw|work | cu lardman |
| 15:34.49 | Interrobang | yup, same thing with dejavu fonts |
| 15:35.05 | Interrobang | a sharper kind of tiny, but still much too small |
| 15:35.37 | Interrobang | it's like it loads the font but doesn't respect the proceeding "pixelsize=" option |
| 15:35.59 | Interrobang | does OZ GPE 3.5.4.1 use a different version of rxvt than 3.5.4 |
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| 16:04.51 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 16:05.51 | CoreDump|home | hrw|gone: sure am, had some trouble w/ my ISP lately |
| 16:07.04 | CoreDump|home | anyone got a working icewm config? |
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| 17:02.57 | Interrobang | fixed the GPE problem. turns out the example font listed in the look and feel panel is much larger than what rxvt actually displays |
| 17:14.22 | Interrobang | how do i set the display to turn off when i close the display on c7x0 3.5.4.1 GPE? i see where i can do it with zaurusd, but what's the command to enable/disable the display? |
| 17:26.09 | jtd | aha |
| 17:26.40 | jtd | Interrobang: there is a thread on this on oesf.org forums |
| 17:27.22 | jtd | Interrobang: don't have a link for it, but try searching for "mp3 display" or "mp3 screen" |
| 17:28.12 | jtd | basically you have to futz with echoing values to /sys/class/backlight or something like that in a script callled zaurus-hinge |
| 17:28.32 | alan|home | Interrobang: do you have a "bl" command ? |
| 17:29.01 | alan|home | iirc, that is the name for the background light manager |
| 17:29.19 | jtd | alan, I think bl only works for 2.4 kernels |
| 17:29.33 | jtd | or so I've been told |
| 17:30.11 | alan|home | jtd: maybe, i don't really remember |
| 17:30.54 | jtd | all that stuff is done with interfaces in sysfs now, I think. |
| 17:33.43 | CoreDump|home | bl works fine w/ 2.6 |
| 17:35.51 | alan|home | CoreDump|home: you wrote bl, right ? |
| 17:36.07 | CoreDump|home | nah, but I just tried it on Akita ;) |
| 17:36.17 | alan|home | ha... ok. |
| 17:37.09 | CoreDump|home | fwiw, I'll add display-off-on-lid-close to .oz eventually if no one beats me to it |
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| 17:51.03 | jtd | hey CoreDump|home |
| 17:51.40 | jtd | do you happen to know how to get a Z to pay attention to the sleep configuration gui? |
| 17:52.29 | jtd | I tell it "don't ever sleep on a timeout", whatever option that is, and basicallly it seems to just laugh at me and sleep anyway after about 5minutes |
| 17:54.56 | CoreDump|home | hmm |
| 17:55.14 | CoreDump|home | killing ipaq-sleep should help |
| 17:58.46 | Interrobang | jtd: thx, "echo 1 > /sys/class/backlight/corgi-bl/power" did the trick |
| 17:59.06 | Interrobang | odd that 0 is on, and 1 is off |
| 18:03.04 | Interrobang | i wonder what kind out battery life you can get out of an idle (not suspended) Z with the display off |
| 18:03.51 | raduga | depends on the dog, depends on what else you have on it |
| 18:04.08 | raduga | ~6hr or more, on an akita |
| 18:04.37 | raduga | using cpu scaling, I can't tell you for sure, but it's > 18hr |
| 18:06.13 | Interrobang | hmmm...cpu scaling... |
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| 18:16.25 | epia | hi al |
| 18:16.28 | epia | all |
| 18:16.49 | epia | how do I start xmame (oz gpe)? |
| 18:17.17 | epia | I've installed and linked it but when I type "xmame" it says "not found".... |
| 18:17.58 | raduga | where is it installed to? |
| 18:18.03 | raduga | sounds like its not in your path |
| 18:18.16 | epia | mmm who knows? :) |
| 18:18.35 | hobbs | you, potentially! |
| 18:18.58 | epia | ok, it seems into /usr/bin.... (xmame.SDL) |
| 18:18.58 | hobbs | ipkg will tell you, assuming that's how you installed it |
| 18:19.29 | raduga | maybe its proper name is xmame.SDL ? |
| 18:19.32 | epia | but when I start it it complains: "SDL: error: no available video devica....) |
| 18:19.50 | epia | (device) |
| 18:19.59 | raduga | ok. so, some kind of SDL issue, then |
| 18:20.09 | raduga | are you running it from a shell directly on the Z? |
| 18:20.13 | raduga | inside GPE, or outside? |
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| 18:20.21 | raduga | from a remote SSH shell? |
| 18:20.56 | epia | inside GPE |
| 18:22.13 | epia | but exiting GPE it returns the same error... |
| 18:23.07 | epia | am I missing any package? |
| 18:27.26 | epia | mmm after I restarted GPE it seems to work.... |
| 18:27.28 | epia | :) |
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| 20:21.08 | jtd | epia |
| 20:21.15 | jtd | no, he's gone. |
| 20:21.16 | jtd | crap. |
| 20:21.29 | hobbs | via epia ;) |
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| 21:36.21 | Laibsc1 | Is there a reason that altboot does not list the option 8 to create a loop file? |
| 21:36.43 | hobbs | It does. Maybe your install is broken ;) |
| 21:37.13 | Laibsch | Here I just get entries 1 to 5. |
| 21:37.42 | hobbs | and when you select 5 it shows you 6 through 8 (or 9?) |
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| 21:38.23 | Laibsch | OK, yes I see that now. |
| 21:38.33 | Laibsch | So everything si peachy |
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| 21:40.25 | Laibsch | hm |
| 21:40.29 | Laibsch | I don't know |
| 21:40.43 | Laibsch | Delete key does not work in altboot, for example. |
| 21:40.51 | Laibsch | Has nothing to do with the user. |
| 21:41.39 | Laibsch | OZ hosed my system because the CF is not really unmounted when the GUI it did unmount it. |
| 21:41.46 | Laibsch | Lots of other stuff. |
| 21:42.06 | Laibsch | I think there is generally no disagreement that OZ unfortunately is not too stable. |
| 21:44.02 | Laibsch | Now Oz refuses to even reboot. |
| 21:44.19 | Laibsch | It did not boot up when asking for a boot from CF. |
| 21:47.48 | hobbs | It's very stable once you get it working properly ;) |
| 21:47.57 | hobbs | It's just really funky until that point |
| 21:48.56 | Laibsch | Well, maybe there is SOME hope. |
| 21:49.01 | Laibsch | I hope there is ;-) |
| 21:49.12 | Laibsch | OZ is really a bitch |
| 21:49.27 | JustinP | you should have tried it a few years ago |
| 21:49.33 | JustinP | believe me, it's *much* better now |
| 21:49.59 | hobbs | It is |
| 21:50.54 | Laibsch | I did try it a few years ago |
| 21:51.01 | Laibsch | Never got it working then ;-) |
| 21:51.11 | Laibsch | And I am not getting it to work now. |
| 21:51.14 | Laibsch | :-( |
| 21:51.39 | civiltec | I had OZ working 3 years ago. |
| 21:51.43 | Laibsch | It freezes during the last stage of the calibration screen. |
| 21:52.06 | hobbs | stop trying to use your Zaurus inside an X-ray machine ;) |
| 21:52.23 | Laibsch | Oh, I am not supposed to do that? |
| 21:52.25 | Laibsch | ;-) |
| 21:55.30 | JustinP | I've had OZ working for years too |
| 21:55.39 | JustinP | but it takes much less fiddling now |
| 21:55.56 | JustinP | if calibration is failing, that *is* a problem and it should be fixed, of course... |
| 21:56.00 | JustinP | Laibsch: are you using a release? |
| 21:57.48 | Laibsch | I used |
| 21:57.52 | Laibsch | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/images/collie/opie-image-3.5.4-collie.initrd.bin |
| 21:58.01 | Laibsch | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/images/collie/zImage-58-6 |
| 21:58.05 | Laibsch | for flashing |
| 21:58.07 | Laibsch | and |
| 21:58.46 | Laibsch | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/images/collie/tarballs/opie-image-3.5.4-collie.rootfs.tar.gz |
| 21:58.59 | Laibsch | for trying to create a loop file system on CF |
| 21:59.58 | hobbs | If you're doing root on SD, there's pretty much no point in anything but a 64-0 image. |
| 22:00.11 | Laibsch | maybe |
| 22:00.17 | hobbs | er, root on CF rather :) |
| 22:00.28 | Laibsch | But I just want to get things working for now. |
| 22:00.40 | Laibsch | To test out the Japanese input methods from AlexTe |
| 22:01.16 | Pendalar | I can't calibrate mine, but the TS screen is cracked >_< |
| 22:02.25 | Laibsch | Pendalar: I guess that is a differente story ;-) |
| 22:02.36 | Laibsch | But :-( for your cracked screen |
| 22:02.52 | Laibsch | How do I reboot a collie? |
| 22:02.58 | Pendalar | yeah I'm hoping to replace the TS one day cheaply |
| 22:03.02 | Laibsch | Saying reboot on the console does not cut it |
| 22:03.05 | Pendalar | not sure how / how much |
| 22:14.37 | Laibsch | OK, seems to be working now. I guess my earlier problems can be attributed to bug 1060 |
| 22:19.57 | JustinP | Laibsch: init 6 |
| 22:20.04 | JustinP | Laibsch: or maybe not, don't remember |
| 22:20.13 | hobbs | 'reboot' just calls init 6 :) |
| 22:20.17 | hobbs | And it does work, generally speaking. |
| 22:20.53 | JustinP | Laibsch: I don't recommend root on CF, get an SD card. Back when I had a collie the CF was ejected/inserted on every suspend/resume. That could cause problems if your root is on it |
| 22:21.03 | JustinP | hobbs: generally, yeah, but the Embeddix kernels are odd |
| 22:21.11 | hobbs | I mean, on a Zaurus |
| 22:21.51 | JustinP | on a 2.6 zaurus, yes. 2.4 would just lock up (on my zpitz at least) when I told it to init 6 |
| 22:22.07 | Laibsch | I do own an SD card and I will use it eventually after the dust settles. |
| 22:22.29 | Laibsch | Still paranoid about my data loss, so I have my SD card to ro for now. |
| 22:23.00 | JustinP | SD always worked fine for me on my collie |
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| 22:23.28 | JustinP | data loss generally happens when people do silly things like ejecting the card before unmounting |
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| 22:38.42 | Laibsch | JustinP: why do you keep on saying this when you know about bug 944? |
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| 23:14.35 | JustinP | Laibsch: because that bug is bogus |
| 23:15.13 | JustinP | at least the corruption part is |
| 23:15.29 | JustinP | there *may* be a problem with the eject applet, but that doesn't change what I said above |
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