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| 02:06.13 | MrJesse | Hi everyone |
| 02:07.02 | mowgly | hello |
| 02:07.26 | magnet | hi. |
| 02:11.30 | MrJesse | Well, I replaced the LCD in my colie today. Actually only the touchscreen was broken, but since the LCD+Frontlight+Touchscreen are all sealed together to keep dust out, I just swapped out the whole mess. |
| 02:13.22 | MrJesse | Also, this time I'm trying out the 64-0 kernel instead of the 32-32. |
| 02:35.21 | MrJesse | Hi! |
| 02:36.25 | johnX | You'll probably like the 64/0 kernel better |
| 02:36.34 | johnX | I always found myself running low on memory with 32/32 |
| 02:36.41 | MrJesse | yeah |
| 02:36.56 | MrJesse | I simply had to use a swap partition when I had 32/32 |
| 02:37.41 | MrJesse | I'll still want to use a swap partition just in case I bump the limit of 64 since running out of memory with no swap = crash |
| 02:40.12 | MrJesse | well I'm going to lag out here, since I'm on dialup and going to download a 9 meg tarball for opie |
| 02:40.18 | johnX | ah |
| 02:41.45 | MrJesse | Do you use opie? |
| 02:43.27 | MrJesse | My old 32/32 system had no means to restart the graphical user interface if it died, so I wrote a script to restart it when it died. I really should learn how to do it with init, though. |
| 02:44.33 | johnX | I use gpe |
| 02:44.54 | johnX | with 64/0 I never had any problems with opie running out memory |
| 02:45.04 | johnX | I guess I tend to use more memory hungry apps in gpe though |
| 02:46.39 | MrJesse | well, I'm lagged at about 30 seconds round-trip. |
| 02:47.01 | MrJesse | What's gpe like? does it automatically restart if it dies? |
| 02:47.36 | johnX | well the x server automatically restarts if it dies, but probably not the panel or the desktop |
| 02:47.44 | johnX | I've never had either of those crash though |
| 02:47.58 | MrJesse | I started using opie because that's what came on my used pda when I got it. Seems to work well, but I'm interested in trying other user interfaces |
| 02:48.40 | johnX | in opie I found that some applications could lock up the whole desktop when they crashed but that doesn't really happen in gpe |
| 02:48.45 | MrJesse | Does gpe use a regular xserver that listens on port 6000, just like normal linux desktop PCs? |
| 02:48.52 | johnX | yep |
| 02:49.07 | MrJesse | ahh, interesting. |
| 02:49.16 | johnX | that's why I switched to it |
| 02:49.45 | MrJesse | cool! so I could export my display variable and do it that way! (where 'do it' means run X aps on my desktop, but display on PDA, or versa visa) |
| 02:50.03 | johnX | yep |
| 02:50.05 | johnX | easy as pie |
| 02:50.28 | johnX | you can also just ssh -X my-zaurus from your desktop and run stuff |
| 02:51.01 | MrJesse | I found that a lot of times when an app seemed to have locked up opie that it was usually related to running out of memory with no swap (at least 95% of the cases) and that opie had actually just crashed and exited, and could be restarted without rebooting. |
| 02:51.22 | MrJesse | wow cool! okay I've gotta try gpe |
| 02:51.28 | johnX | hmm...I guess I never realized that |
| 02:51.36 | johnX | I didn't even think about that actually but it makes sense |
| 02:52.19 | MrJesse | I can imagin that running a 'full' X-server probably does take a bit more memory then whatever runs opie |
| 02:52.34 | johnX | well the x server is actually very light |
| 02:52.44 | johnX | and the panel and desktop are straight xlib applications |
| 02:53.15 | johnX | I think it's mostly the actual applications that drag all of gtk2 in and soak up a bit more memory |
| 02:53.21 | MrJesse | yeah, I wrote a little bash script that would sit in the background and check every 10 seconds -- and if opie wasn't running, it'd restart it. so if it crashed, I just had to wait a minute, and it'd come back. (And any apps that had been running stayed running in the background at 100% CPU, so after opie started back up, I'd have to go kill all the old apps haha.) |
| 02:53.49 | MrJesse | yeah... |
| 02:54.23 | MrJesse | "Oh Look! THis is cool! We can run a 12Mbyte GTK app on here without much edtra work! |
| 02:55.26 | johnX | all the core PIM stuff is from scratch and impressively light...but a lot of the extra stuff I use is just normal gtk applications |
| 02:55.58 | MrJesse | yeah, that makes sense |
| 02:58.26 | MrJesse | What's gpe like to use? Pretty much "pda-like" or is it more like a regular linux box with login prompt? |
| 02:59.16 | johnX | pretty much pda like |
| 02:59.37 | MrJesse | cool |
| 02:59.42 | johnX | let me dig up some screenshots |
| 02:59.51 | johnX | http://handhelds.org/~gpe/gallery/ |
| 03:00.04 | johnX | some of those are out of date, but it gives you some kind of idea |
| 03:00.23 | MrJesse | I'll be trying it out here real soon :-) |
| 03:00.23 | MrJesse | thanks |
| 03:00.46 | MrJesse | yeah |
| 03:02.19 | johnX | I have a 5500 and a C1000...In general I found the Opie apps to be better tuned to the screen resolution of the 5500 and a little lighter on resource usage |
| 03:02.29 | johnX | I prefer GPE on the C1000 though |
| 03:03.01 | MrJesse | is the C1000 bigger/better/faster? |
| 03:03.40 | johnX | the C1000 has a faster processor and a 640x480 screen |
| 03:04.06 | MrJesse | I'm pretty new to the zaurus scene. I got a used sl5500 a month or two ago, and had a lot of fun, but then broke the touchscreen (free tip: don't let wad of keys swing into screen!) and today I put in a new (used) screen |
| 03:04.21 | johnX | cool |
| 03:04.42 | MrJesse | and my brand new 1G SD card developed a bad spot half way through, so that's why I just reinstalled |
| 03:04.45 | johnX | I had a 5500 since early 2003 and in the summer of 2005 I picked up a C1000 |
| 03:05.10 | johnX | I've had more than one SD card go belly up on me |
| 03:05.11 | MrJesse | ahh, is that 640x480 frontlit or backlit? transflective? |
| 03:05.31 | johnX | backlit, transmissive |
| 03:05.46 | johnX | not so great in the sunlight, but looks very pretty indoors :) |
| 03:06.00 | MrJesse | ahh, how is that in full sunlight? |
| 03:06.12 | MrJesse | hehe yeah :=) |
| 03:06.26 | MrJesse | I once had a CF card die on me, but it was a cheapo noname brand... |
| 03:06.40 | NAbyss_ | MrJesse: Very readable if you turn the backlight up... I've had mine going in the mdidle of summer here in aus... no issues |
| 03:06.53 | MrJesse | (from some online pricewatch guy with a yahoo online store or something.) |
| 03:07.07 | MrJesse | But the recent SD was a brand name sandisk from walmart |
| 03:07.22 | MrJesse | NAbyss_, cool |
| 03:08.45 | MrJesse | I got the 5500 for several reasons -- I could get it for $150 (used with small flaw), it ran Linux (I've been using linux as desktop for years) and it was supposed to be well readable outdoors. |
| 03:09.33 | MrJesse | And outdoors is important, because I need some sort of outdoor readable display computer for another project I'm working on (http://jesseg.nikola.com:8080/foamboard/ ) where I need to read heading, altitude, speed, and the like, outdoors. |
| 03:09.46 | MrJesse | NAbyss_, how long does it run on the battery with backlight all the way up? |
| 03:10.32 | NAbyss_ | MrJesse: Not sure, I usually use mine indoors |
| 03:10.47 | NAbyss_ | MrJesse: also, I have the 3100, not 1000.. so the HDD'd suck a bit more juice. |
| 03:10.53 | NAbyss_ | Same screen though, AFAIK |
| 03:11.00 | MrJesse | ahh |
| 03:11.11 | johnX | that plane is very cool |
| 03:11.28 | MrJesse | ahh. How long does it run indoors? |
| 03:11.42 | MrJesse | johnX: it's pretty fun |
| 03:12.02 | NAbyss_ | MrJesse: I've had it running as a mp3 player for a good 7-8 hours |
| 03:12.18 | johnX | indoors with wireless card off, I've had my 1000 last more than 4-5 hours |
| 03:12.23 | MrJesse | My 5500 really doesn't last long with the backlight on, but it runs about 8 hours with it off. |
| 03:12.38 | MrJesse | 7-8 hours isn't bad. is that with the backlight on? |
| 03:13.03 | johnX | I should add that that was with the backlight just about as low as was readable |
| 03:13.21 | NAbyss_ | MrJesse: Backlight on sporadically for fiddlign around with it, or changing song... say, 20-40% of the time... that'd be using it at work for music/calendar/email |
| 03:14.17 | MrJesse | I'm thinking about building a nice folding protective case for mine which includes a clear cover over the front so I don't break it again, and also includes more batteries, perhaps totaling 5 amp hours or so. |
| 03:15.07 | MrJesse | my linksys 802.11 card gets nice and toasty, and drains the built in battery in a few minutes haha. |
| 03:15.26 | MrJesse | I don't know if there are any real low-power wifi cards out there or not. |
| 03:16.20 | MrJesse | well I just finished compiling my kernel, gotta reboot.. May be back in a few.. thanks guys! |
| 03:16.27 | johnX | later |
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| 03:40.07 | MrJesse | alright, my new kernel worked, and fixed the errors about my mini DV firewire capturing.. |
| 03:40.50 | MrJesse | and my 9 meg download finished |
| 03:40.59 | johnX | cool |
| 03:41.07 | johnX | I've been reading about foam RC planes |
| 03:43.52 | MrJesse | THinking about trying one out? |
| 03:44.12 | johnX | I just might |
| 03:44.43 | johnX | I was always interested in RC planes but it seemed like they were so fragile and there such a high cost to even get started |
| 03:44.43 | MrJesse | I'm looking forward to when I have a GPS on mine so it can fly itself home if it gets caught in a cloud bank (as once happend. but it didn't fly home haha.) |
| 03:44.43 | johnX | heh |
| 03:45.10 | MrJesse | You can get some tiny little toy planes for about $40 or so, but they aren't like real planes |
| 03:45.20 | NAbyss_ | MrJesse: The GPSes are cheap... I picked up a hancom hi204iii for AUD$130 the other day |
| 03:45.28 | NAbyss_ | USB or serial |
| 03:46.19 | MrJesse | the cheapest I've managed for a 'real' model plane was about $200 (USD) for 4 channel transmitter, receiver, 3 small servoes, motor, and battery (and propeller) |
| 03:47.06 | MrJesse | then I used fiberglass reinforced strand tape and styrofoam toy airplanes which are cheap |
| 03:47.36 | MrJesse | the transmitter and servos, electric motor and batteries you can use for many planes if you don't lose the plane haha. |
| 03:48.04 | MrJesse | and your many crashes while learning mostly beat up the styrofoam, which is cheap and pretty tough per weight. |
| 03:48.19 | johnX | did you ever figure out where it got to? (the one that disappeared into a cloud bank) |
| 03:48.51 | MrJesse | that's how I started, with little cheap 54 inch wingspan white styro toys, modded with motor and servos |
| 03:48.56 | MrJesse | oh yeah I got it back. |
| 03:49.50 | MrJesse | I was flying about a thousand feet on a partly cloudy day, when the cloud level dropped to 100 feet. I put it in a right-hand circle, which turned out to be too tight. It came down in a swirling nosedive at about 50mph. |
| 03:50.08 | johnX | ugh |
| 03:50.31 | MrJesse | (it normally flies 20mph hahaha.) it came down nearby, hit very hard, you could hear it like echoing off all of the trees around there, haha. |
| 03:50.43 | MrJesse | but it was pretty tough. I taped it up and flew it again the next day |
| 03:50.53 | johnX | wow |
| 03:51.26 | MrJesse | I built it with way too much styrofoam, so it took an inordinate ammount of bad landings before I finally retired it |
| 03:52.38 | johnX | really, a durable larger wing span plane like that interests me a lot more than an expensive, fragile scale model |
| 03:53.22 | johnX | especially with the increased payload for camera/gps/etc |
| 03:53.34 | MrJesse | yeah, me too. I've never built any model except hacked together stuff like the pink foamboard one |
| 03:56.27 | MrJesse | brb -- gotta reboot |
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| 03:59.26 | edbarrett | How do I select more than one message in opie mail? (SL5500, OZ3.5.4) |
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| 04:08.19 | tpdd | Has anyone seen a fix for alarms on the tosa yet? or will that be someting we will see in the new kernel? |
| 04:08.31 | MrJesse | not I |
| 04:08.49 | tpdd | :( |
| 04:10.11 | MrJesse | Well, I've got the gpe tarball downloading |
| 04:11.26 | MrJesse | which means I'm lagged out pretty well |
| 04:12.16 | johnX | I'm going to grab someting to eat, so I'm AFK for a while |
| 04:12.22 | MrJesse | I can just put a tarball on a CF card and try out gpe without actually reflashing my inbuilt 14M, right/ |
| 04:12.38 | MrJesse | ? |
| 04:13.05 | MrJesse | Cya later, John |
| 04:19.25 | MrJesse | goodbye |
| 04:19.36 | MrJesse | I'm off. |
| 04:34.42 | mithro | hrm, I think i've been hacked |
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| 04:42.36 | bronson | mithro, what, your zaurus? |
| 04:42.44 | bronson | or another computer? |
| 04:42.51 | AlefBet | How do you change the font size in a terminal? Under Look and Feel/Termianl, I've selected a 7 pt Monospace font (and my .Xdefaults file also specifies 7pt), but it looks like it's displaying at 4pt. Any ideas? |
| 04:44.24 | mithro | bronson: on my gateway box |
| 04:47.09 | johnX | AlefBet, and you've already logged out and logged back in to let the .Xdefaults changes take place? |
| 04:54.06 | AlefBet | Yes. I've also init 6'd. |
| 04:54.12 | AlefBet | Sorry, I was AFK for a while. |
| 04:54.43 | AlefBet | I changed the color of the font in .Xdefauts and that took effect, but the font size is still tiny. |
| 04:55.22 | johnX | I'm just thinking out loud here, but could the DPI setting in /etc/X11/Xdefaults be confusing things? |
| 04:56.56 | AlefBet | That's interesting. In /etc, it specifies a 16 pt font. |
| 04:57.05 | AlefBet | Should I try changing the .dpi setting? |
| 04:57.29 | johnX | maybe, just take it into account and change font size to compensate |
| 04:57.51 | johnX | if you change the dpi setting all the fonts throughout GPE will change accordingly |
| 04:58.00 | AlefBet | I've changed the font size to a few different sizes to see if I could compensate, and it always seemed to ignore it. |
| 04:58.04 | AlefBet | I'll try again, though. |
| 04:58.16 | AlefBet | The other fonts are reasonably sized. |
| 04:58.49 | johnX | my fontsize line in ~/.Xdefaults looks like this: Rxvt*font: xft:Mono:pixelsize=16 |
| 04:59.04 | AlefBet | Likewise. |
| 05:00.06 | AlefBet | Hmm. I changed my font size to 12 and it's now about 6pt, so I guess it's making a difference. |
| 05:01.23 | johnX | I just thought of something: I think the font size for the GPE stuff is in points rather than pixels |
| 05:01.30 | AlefBet | I guess I can live with that. I'll just have to double my desired font size for the terminal. |
| 05:02.14 | AlefBet | Are points about twice the side of pixels, then? |
| 05:02.36 | johnX | I have no idea |
| 05:03.24 | johnX | but it would at least explain the discrepancy |
| 05:05.20 | AlefBet | Okay, I guess I can work around that. Thanks for the tip. |
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| 08:47.56 | jtd | hey guys? does the e17 image work right yet? |
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| 17:45.56 | sdjf | hello? |
| 17:46.54 | hrw | hi |
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| 18:58.34 | Zuse | Hi to all |
| 18:59.15 | Zuse | do anyone got WPA-Wifi working under the latest hentges-ROM ? |
| 19:47.10 | hrw | Zuse: I did |
| 19:47.34 | hrw | Zuse: install wpa-supplicant from upgrades, configure wlan0 like in wiki and it will work |
| 19:52.25 | JaMa | Seems working for me too, but when it's associating with AP with EAP/LEAP on my AsusSpaceLink it always fails |
| 19:52.43 | JaMa | But maybe is problem somewhere else.. |
| 19:52.52 | hrw | wpa-psk? |
| 19:53.02 | JaMa | I haven't enough time to figure it out. |
| 19:54.32 | JaMa | http://pastebin.ca/61825 |
| 19:55.23 | hrw | aes module loaded? |
| 19:57.45 | JaMa | don't know, I'll check it next time, thanks |
| 19:58.46 | hrw | <rc4 lacked this in rootfs |
| 19:59.15 | hrw | I configured my AP to do wpa2-psk and added all needed modules into base system |
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| 20:01.58 | tpdd | is it possible to use the special guylhem tosa kernel with Openzaurus? |
| 20:02.50 | hrw | it will boot but no warranty |
| 20:04.23 | tpdd | I think i voided my warranty :) im just wanting to try OZ with a kernel that will wake up from alarms |
| 20:04.44 | hrw | get patchset from guylhem then |
| 20:06.41 | tpdd | patchset? Does he have something special in his kernel, other than the default sharp stuff? |
| 20:07.07 | hrw | man.. default sharp kernel source is something which noone use... |
| 20:08.44 | tpdd | thats cool, I saw his source around someplace. He does not seem to be on much but I will see if I can find something. |
| 20:10.02 | jtd | Do none of the standard kernels wake up from alarms at the moment? |
| 20:10.27 | hrw | 2.4/tosa? looks like |
| 20:10.38 | hrw | we have 2 tosa users in OE/OZ team only |
| 20:10.54 | hrw | Dirk work on 2.6 kernel, Mickeyl work on his Ph.D now |
| 20:10.55 | jtd | No, I mean (e.g.) 2.6/Akita. |
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| 20:59.36 | MrJesse | hi guys |
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| 21:07.44 | Zuse | hrw: sorry was away... thanks hrw, for your feedback. Hmmm.. I did the same but not lucky yet.... wpa_supplicant does not find my AP ?! Did upgrades as well. |
| 21:08.33 | Zuse | hrw: Unforuntaley, I have to left now. Hope to solve the problem soon. Bye |
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