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| 00:10.11 | zach | OK, after letting my new battery charge for 24 hours, it's still at about 12%... And the charging light just stays on |
| 00:10.34 | zach | I'm guessing it's something to do with the charging circuitry inside the zaurus |
| 00:10.39 | zach | Any ideas? |
| 00:12.44 | NAbyss | zach: I've sometimes had that happen.. was the Z on or off? |
| 00:12.52 | zach | On |
| 00:13.32 | NAbyss | Yeah, sometimes it just doesn't charge when it's on, especially during audio playback I've found. I'm not sure if the kernel or zaurusd controls charging... |
| 00:13.45 | zach | I just got off the phone with the 2 sharp repair places, one wants $40 to look at it, and the other was closed |
| 00:14.06 | NAbyss | zach: sharp or OZ firmware? |
| 00:14.12 | zach | OZ |
| 00:14.28 | zach | I just installed the Sharp ROM because I thought I was going to send it back |
| 00:15.39 | NAbyss | I'd check if the charging issue is still there with the sharp rom |
| 00:15.50 | NAbyss | If not.. file a bug - bugs.openembedded.org |
| 00:15.51 | zach | Will do |
| 00:33.52 | zach | What does "Charge" in the diagnostic menu do? Just turn the light on, or actually tell the device to charge? |
| 01:20.46 | NAbyss | No idea. |
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| 08:16.10 | hrw | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19827 |
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| 08:38.24 | CoreDump|home | morning |
| 09:24.26 | lardman|work | morning |
| 09:26.39 | CoreDump|home | morning lardman|work |
| 09:28.27 | lardman|work | hey CoreDump |
| 09:29.42 | CoreDump|home | RP: Is there an easier way to disable the LCD keys than to either xmodmap "wrong" mappingsto their keycodes or killing of tskeys? |
| 09:30.40 | lardman|work | Where's hrw today? |
| 09:30.51 | CoreDump|home | * hrw goes to doctor |
| 09:30.54 | CoreDump|home | :\ |
| 09:31.14 | lardman|work | ah, okay |
| 09:32.17 | lardman|work | hrw|gone: From a quick test, the bt speed is ~294k bits/second. Though this was only using my phone (Sony-Ericsson k750i) so that may be the limiting factor |
| 09:36.51 | CoreDump|home | sigh, there's still no nethack in OE |
| 09:41.28 | lardman|work | CoreDump|home: I saw your post in here: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19746&hl= |
| 09:41.40 | lardman|work | CoreDump|home: I've also seen problems with e-image on my c750 |
| 09:41.42 | lardman|work | fyi |
| 09:42.06 | CoreDump|home | lardman|work: i know, e17 on everything _but_ c3000 is known not to work |
| 09:42.28 | lardman|work | oh, right |
| 09:42.31 | CoreDump|home | c3000 is the machine used by JustinP to create the image and usually works fine |
| 09:44.12 | hrw | re |
| 09:44.18 | hrw | lardman|work: thx for testing |
| 09:44.20 | lardman|work | hey hrw |
| 09:44.36 | lardman|work | I'll test at home with a bt dongle later on and see what happens |
| 09:55.59 | RP | CoreDump|home: Not really |
| 09:56.38 | CoreDump|home | RP: thanks, killing tskeys it is then |
| 09:57.34 | RP | CoreDump|home: Out of interest, whats it doing that's annoying you? |
| 09:59.14 | CoreDump|home | Ahh nothing really. Users where complaing that they activate the keys in landscape while trying to pull a slider or clicking some icon. That user and mickeyl suggested disabling the keys in landscape andactiavting them in protrait would be a better default than always-on |
| 09:59.58 | CoreDump|home | and I share that view. In the long-term this should be a gpe-conf option tho |
| 10:01.44 | johnX | I don't care about the default, just as long as I can turn it back on in landscape |
| 10:02.32 | CoreDump|home | " In the long-term this should be a gpe-conf option tho" |
| 10:02.51 | johnX | good enough for me |
| 10:02.57 | CoreDump|home | ;) |
| 10:03.05 | johnX | BTW, the new zaurusd that runs scritps from landscape.d, portrait.d, etc looks nice |
| 10:03.31 | CoreDump|home | yep, makes exploiting zaurusd's functions a lot easier |
| 10:03.32 | johnX | I guess it really shows how geeky I am when I think about all the cool things I want to have it do on lid events |
| 10:03.58 | CoreDump|home | well, for starters it turns off the bloody backlight now hehe |
| 10:04.08 | johnX | woo! |
| 10:04.14 | johnX | my ugly hack can die in peace now |
| 10:04.22 | CoreDump|home | yeah |
| 10:04.46 | CoreDump|home | the next step is to allow "apm -s" on lid-close but that will be off by default |
| 10:05.07 | CoreDump|home | as I (and many others) hate it =) |
| 10:05.14 | johnX | agreed |
| 10:05.41 | CoreDump|home | yet another good target for a gpe-conf option |
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| 10:07.08 | johnX | I don't mind doing the config by command line / text file editing |
| 10:07.23 | johnX | I'm still not sure if I trust these new-fangled GUIs the kids have these days |
| 10:07.28 | CoreDump|home | hehe |
| 10:07.53 | CoreDump|home | Users like shiny clickable buttons to do that kind of thing =) |
| 10:09.16 | johnX | I think I'll write a lid close script to map the ok/cancel/scroll wheel by the power jack to do audio functions and map them back to default when the Z goes to landscape |
| 10:10.12 | CoreDump|home | now that's a nice idea |
| 10:10.47 | CoreDump|home | you could patch the player's ipk and have these scripts installed by default =) |
| 10:10.59 | johnX | hmm |
| 10:10.59 | RP | The whole idea was to allow this all to be configurable. zaurusd just set the stage and it needs someone to implement the userspace configuration nicely :) |
| 10:12.30 | johnX | actually, I could just have the keys generate "XF86AudioPlay, etc" like multimedia keys on a fancy keyboard do on desktop Linux |
| 10:12.56 | johnX | then it's the user's responsibility to bind those keys to actions |
| 10:13.25 | johnX | (or the default config for the music player included in the .ipk) |
| 10:13.25 | CoreDump|home | johnX: that would be pointless as $USER knows nothin about binding keys |
| 10:13.39 | CoreDump|home | and it would break those keys since they no longer do anything |
| 10:14.15 | CoreDump|home | ah yeah, that would be perfect |
| 10:14.21 | johnX | save what they are now, map when the lid is closed, map back to default on lid open |
| 10:14.28 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
| 10:15.05 | CoreDump|home | so mplayer, xmms & friends could all use the keys since the binding is generic to "Play, Stop, FWD, BW" etc |
| 10:15.57 | CoreDump|home | RP: I have the problem that sometimes zaurusd doesn't detect a lid-open -> lid-close change |
| 10:17.25 | RP | CoreDump|home: A problem with the hardware switches not seeing the event or something in zaurusd is broken? |
| 10:18.10 | CoreDump|home | the latter, I made sure the "keys" were not pressed when open. Kinda hard to reproduce at will tho |
| 10:18.44 | RP | Did the events make it out the kernel? |
| 10:19.01 | RP | (i.e. did switchevd see them?) |
| 10:19.24 | CoreDump|home | that I can't say. What I do know is that the hinge script was not run at all |
| 10:20.04 | CoreDump|home | I'll check the switch thingy next time I get the bug |
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| 10:24.10 | johnX | to turn off and restore backlight on lid events are you just cat'ing the brightness value somewhere and setting backlight to 0, then catting it back on lid open? |
| 10:24.23 | CoreDump|home | no |
| 10:24.27 | CoreDump|home | bl on / bl off |
| 10:24.32 | johnX | ah |
| 10:24.38 | CoreDump|home | bl is in th default image now, it wasn't before |
| 10:24.56 | hrw | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.1985.png - qtopia apps under OPIE :) |
| 10:25.16 | johnX | heh |
| 10:25.27 | CoreDump|home | bl off uses /sys/$SOMEFANCY/PATH/state IIRC |
| 10:26.12 | CoreDump|home | johnX: the new helper script is in the "bl" package in case you were looking for it |
| 10:26.19 | johnX | great |
| 10:26.53 | CoreDump|home | hrw: opie on VGA is a waste IMO ;) |
| 10:27.20 | johnX | I still want something equivalent to notez in GPE (and on the desktop!) |
| 10:28.00 | hrw | I have to find time to finish opie-notes (which based on notez) |
| 10:28.51 | johnX | I went on a massive "adventure" the other day trying to make gnome-python work so I could use gjots2, but I gave up for now |
| 10:34.37 | pgas | pdaxrom's users seems to like tuxcards (qt though) |
| 10:34.59 | johnX | I'll look at it |
| 10:35.36 | johnX | in my initial search I limited myself to things that were C/gtk, then looked at */gtk, but at this point I really don't care as long as it works... |
| 10:36.19 | NAbyss | CoreDump|home: Yeah, OPIE does seem to be targeted at 320x240 far too much |
| 10:42.39 | pgas | hrw: in case you want to buy an A300 |
| 10:43.04 | pgas | it's possible to buy yahoo auction via some people on zaurusfr |
| 10:43.23 | hrw | pgas: currently I decided to skip it |
| 10:43.26 | pgas | via a company that takes 10% + shipping |
| 10:43.55 | pgas | hrw: np, the info was just in case |
| 10:44.01 | hrw | thx |
| 10:44.27 | CoreDump|home | hrw: what do you think about having the Mail LED flash on lid-close when the unit is not suspended? |
| 10:44.54 | XorA | hrw: just sent my response to kismet email |
| 10:44.57 | hrw | CoreDump|home: no - we already told people that mail led means 'nand usage' |
| 10:45.10 | CoreDump|home | i c |
| 10:45.27 | CoreDump|home | well, PWR LED works just as well |
| 10:46.55 | CoreDump|home | ignore that, doesn't work w/ the pwr led |
| 10:50.51 | CoreDump|home | RP: the amber LED doesn't honor the "timer" trigger. Is that intended? |
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| 10:59.17 | RP | CoreDump|afk: Its a hardware issue. Plug it into mains and it will |
| 10:59.57 | hrw | nice blinkinglight |
| 11:00.06 | RP | This wasn't realised until well into the driver design so I've just ignored it. There is nothing we can do anyway... |
| 11:00.22 | CoreDump|afk | RP: thanks ;) |
| 11:01.09 | CoreDump|afk | Well, I'd like to give "some" feedback that the device is still turned on when the lid is closed :\ |
| 11:01.34 | RP | CoreDump|afk: I see no isse with abusing the mail light for several things but it will confuse users... |
| 11:02.09 | CoreDump|afk | I know heh |
| 11:03.42 | pgas | use morse code to convey more meaningfull messages to the user :P |
| 11:03.54 | CoreDump|afk | pgas: =D |
| 11:04.10 | CoreDump|afk | .. -- ... -- . ..- .-. (lid closed) muhaha |
| 11:04.28 | CoreDump|afk | <CoreDump|afk> ~morse lid closed |
| 11:04.28 | CoreDump|afk | <cdbot> CoreDump|afk: .-.. .. -.. -.-. .-.. --- ... . -.. |
| 11:04.36 | CoreDump|afk | ;) |
| 11:04.50 | johnX | heh |
| 11:05.22 | johnX | I think it would be more standardized to encode ASCII into binary and echo it out the LED |
| 11:05.28 | johnX | we could do unicode eventually |
| 11:05.36 | CoreDump|afk | hehe |
| 11:05.53 | NAbyss | johnX: UTF-8 or 16? |
| 11:06.07 | pgas | I'm pretty sure there is something like that for the led of the keyboard |
| 11:06.29 | XorA | just spew the root password out of the led |
| 11:06.35 | XorA | makes hacking easier |
| 11:07.09 | pgas | http://kerneltrap.org/node/355 |
| 11:07.34 | pgas | kernel panic in morse code! |
| 11:08.08 | hrw | .-- .- .-. -. .. -. --. ! .-.. .. -.. -.-. .-.. --- ... . -.. -... ..- - ..- -. .. - ... - .. .-.. .-.. -. --- - ... ..- ... .--. . -. -.. . -.. ! ! |
| 11:08.11 | johnX | wow...just, wow |
| 11:08.21 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:28.55 | XorA | _law_: :-D |
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| 21:18.43 | Laibsch | Hi, trying to install a unicoded font here. I use the GUI installer. But somehow it appears that it only displays packages already installed. For example, when I filter to display only packages from the opie feed I get an empty list. /usr/lib/ipkg/lists/opie does have for example the zuc package. But it is not shown in the list of installable packages. I use a collie with 3.5.4 image |
| 21:19.01 | Laibsch | in case this was split: |
| 21:19.15 | Laibsch | Hi, trying to install a unicoded font here. I use the GUI installer. But somehow it appears that it only displays packages already installed. For example, when I filter to display only packages from the opie feed I |
| 21:19.17 | Laibsch | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.47 | hobbs | yeah, the GUI thing seems to be broken. That's okay. If it was displaying them, it would just crash after you asked it to install them anyway |
| 21:20.47 | hobbs | use the commandline. It actually works :) |
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| 21:27.33 | Laibsch | hobbs: Thank you for the comment. |
| 21:27.59 | Laibsch | The ipkg command line utility is a bit awkward since I update my Z while it is in the dock. |
| 21:29.16 | hobbs | ssh into it, then |
| 21:29.41 | Laibsch | OK |
| 21:33.18 | tchan | success in flashing the firmware on this SMC2642W cf wireless card to Primary 1.1.1 and Sec. 1.8.4 BUT I still can't get WPA to work right :( |
| 21:34.14 | tchan | cf type2 adapter arrived in today's mail and my laptop was able to flash the firmware successfully to the card |
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| 21:46.36 | tchan | never mind |
| 21:47.09 | tchan | yay! WPA working on a C1000 with the SMC2642W cf wireless card. Finally |
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| 22:10.45 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 22:13.59 | raduga | i do two things; |
| 22:14.05 | raduga | look for light creeping under the lid, |
| 22:14.14 | raduga | feel if its warm |
| 22:14.20 | raduga | if either, its probably not off |
| 22:14.37 | raduga | if neither, its not wasting enough battery, to matter :P |
| 22:17.50 | CoreDump|home | raduga: it will be off in the final 3.5.4.1 |
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