| 00:08.14 | Interrobang | ygfperson: yes, but you have to order away for them. are you thinking about wifi? |
| 00:10.06 | ygfperson | i have a cf wifi card that's working fine. i'm looking for a way to use my usb external drive from it, and i'm figuring if i get a cheap usb hub and a cheap usb-ethernet device i can make it work |
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| 00:12.47 | ygfperson | i read on wikipedia that pcmcia devices and compactflash devices have the same pinout and can be used interchangably with an adaptor, but does that apply for cardbus too? |
| 00:16.58 | JoeSchmo | you can use a cf card in a cardbus slot but not a cardbus card in a cf slot |
| 00:17.47 | JoeSchmo | cardbus is 32bit and i belive cf is 16 bit |
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| 00:34.58 | aw | hi all... i have a 5000D and i can't get oz to work fine on it anymore, it locks much, mostly when installing stuff... Anyone knows where i can find the original rom? |
| 00:37.12 | aw | i don't imagine the rom for the 5500 will work right? |
| 00:42.55 | aw | anyone? |
| 00:44.39 | johnX | the initrd from a 5500 will probably work |
| 00:44.50 | johnX | but you will need a kernel from a 5000D |
| 00:45.19 | aw | JohnX: seems to be a forgoten device for sharp... |
| 00:45.41 | johnX | All the Zaurii are pretty much forgotten to Sharp it seems |
| 00:45.49 | johnX | well, Sharp USA anyways |
| 00:45.58 | aw | :'( |
| 00:46.04 | ygfperson | when you installed openzaurus what version did you use? |
| 00:46.54 | aw | the 3.5.4 |
| 00:47.10 | aw | ygfperson: seems to be the newest that supports the collie |
| 00:47.42 | ygfperson | did you install onto an external card to free memory? |
| 00:48.05 | johnX | aw: could OZ locking while installing stuff possibly related to it running out of space under / ? |
| 00:48.32 | Interrobang | i'm trying to install vlc-gpe on 3.5.4.1 GPE C860, but it depends upon libsdl which in turn depends upon libqpe1 nad libqte2. ipkg refuses to install these, reporting that state_want and state_flag have been cleared |
| 00:48.37 | ygfperson | in any case, there is a crow rom for 5000d here: http://www.schwag.org/~crow/ |
| 00:48.52 | Interrobang | ipkg --help doesn't offer and obvious solution |
| 00:49.04 | Interrobang | how do i force the installation of libqpe1 and libqte2 in GPE? |
| 00:49.18 | johnX | Interrobang, you probably don't want those |
| 00:49.27 | Interrobang | i have to have them for vlc-gpe |
| 00:49.36 | Interrobang | just to clear dependencies |
| 00:49.38 | johnX | you probably want a version of SDL that is built for GPE rather than qpe (aka opie) |
| 00:49.52 | aw | johnX: i guess, but i'm installing to SD |
| 00:49.56 | Interrobang | yeah i thought as much at first but i can't find it i the feeds manually |
| 00:50.05 | aw | tho maybe it still needs space in / for the list? and links? |
| 00:50.12 | Interrobang | i don't have a cradle or anythign kind of net connection ot my Z so i'm transferring files manually |
| 00:50.25 | aw | ygfperson: i'll try that.. ty! |
| 00:50.30 | Interrobang | does any1 know where to find the GPE versin of libsdl (if it exists)? |
| 00:52.19 | johnX | Interrobang: In the feed/directory it looks like there is a package called libsdl-1.2-0 |
| 00:52.19 | Interrobang | nm, found it |
| 00:52.34 | johnX | in x11? |
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| 01:27.52 | aw | thanks to all for the help |
| 02:28.52 | Interrobang | well, vlc sucks performance wise |
| 03:18.46 | johnX | Interrobang: I agree |
| 04:46.07 | Interrobang | is there some kind off bitrate cutoff in vlc where videos encoded with high bitrates are limit to rendering as if their bitrates were lower? |
| 04:46.42 | Interrobang | i'm running vlc straight off xfbdev with 320x240 videos encoded at 800kbps and it doesn't die |
| 04:46.59 | Interrobang | noticable slowdowns fmo 300kbps but still play worthy |
| 04:47.07 | Interrobang | err fmo=from |
| 04:47.38 | Interrobang | i dbl check the bitrates on my desktop when i transcode them using mplayer and now i don't know what to think |
| 04:47.55 | Interrobang | either vlc kicks ass performance wise or i'm missing something |
| 04:59.22 | Interrobang | it seems i can get away with 400kbps h263 video and 128kpbs stereo mp3, such an audio encoding alone would choke opie mplayer |
| 04:59.33 | Interrobang | what's going on here??? |
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| 12:12.04 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 14:03.25 | itsonlyme | hi |
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| 14:04.34 | itsonlyme | i'm having trouble with alt-boot are there any tips or tricks I should know about? |
| 14:08.08 | CoreDump|home | itsonlyme: http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/howto/the-altboot-faq/ |
| 14:09.01 | itsonlyme | I followed those directions each time... I'm in the process of trying again. I hope I missed something. |
| 14:09.23 | CoreDump|home | well, what are you trying to do? |
| 14:10.08 | itsonlyme | I have hentges GPE installed, and would like to try his loop image of opie from an sd card. |
| 14:10.57 | CoreDump|home | well, that should be straightforward |
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| 14:16.47 | itsonlyme | sorry, it seems my new WM has remapped Ctrl-Alt-BS to Shift-BS, Which I had previously remapped to delete, and commonly use... derr |
| 14:17.27 | itsonlyme | I know restart X about ever 5 minutes.... I wish I wasn't to lazy to fix it. |
| 14:17.55 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 14:19.52 | itsonlyme | Anyway I'm having trouble getting alt-boot to find the files in /media/boot-images |
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| 14:22.13 | itsonlyme | I found out the hard way that alt-boot can't mount ext3 partititions, and when it mounts ext2 cards a ls of /media/card/boot-images/ shows ".ls: boot-images" but no actuall dirctory |
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| 14:28.35 | itsonlyme | BTW, its pretty cool to meet you in IRC CoreDump, you seem to be a bit of a celeb on oesf.org |
| 14:29.05 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 14:29.25 | CoreDump|home | sort of, I try to help where I can ;) |
| 14:29.31 | itsonlyme | thanks |
| 14:29.33 | itsonlyme | :) |
| 14:31.20 | itsonlyme | hentges loop file comes gzipped, as I understand it, I do not need to gunzip it, just rename it. Is that correct? |
| 14:32.44 | CoreDump|home | no, it must be unzipped first |
| 14:33.00 | CoreDump|home | and err, not be renamed (IIRC) |
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| 14:36.20 | odo | I tested 3.5.4.1.final a little bit. |
| 14:36.46 | odo | connecting to wlan, even WEP-crypted worked flawlessly |
| 14:37.11 | odo | nfs-mount a remote volume at a dreambox worked as well |
| 14:37.42 | odo | ipkg-install of kapi kopi and qpegps ok |
| 14:38.34 | odo | still not working is the ACER USB-Bluetooth adapter BT-600 |
| 14:39.04 | odo | if i plug it in dmesg sees it but hconfig sees no device |
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| 14:40.23 | itsonlyme | I wonder how many time I have to start X, uit will take for me to fix this... |
| 14:40.24 | itsonlyme | ? |
| 14:41.09 | odo | would like to nfs-export the / of the zaurus for other machines in the network but what syntax openzaurus uses for /etc/exports? |
| 14:41.19 | CoreDump|home | odo: well, BT isn't auto-configured AFAIK |
| 14:41.34 | odo | so what to do? |
| 14:41.37 | CoreDump|home | standard debian syntax |
| 14:41.47 | CoreDump|home | odo: configure it manually? |
| 14:42.13 | odo | CoreDump: never manually configured something like that ... |
| 14:43.05 | CoreDump|home | can't help you there either. My biggest BT success was using my BT mobile as a BT mouse on a GPE desktop =) |
| 14:44.00 | odo | standard debian is this one " / IP-address/mask(options)" or that one "/dir -mapall=root -mask 255.255.255.0 -alldirs"? |
| 14:44.58 | CoreDump|home | odo: the former |
| 14:45.36 | CoreDump|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.15 | odo | CoreDump: I tried that - is there a inetd I have to kill -HUP? |
| 14:46.31 | odo | I didn't find one |
| 14:47.04 | CoreDump|home | hmm no but you'll have to restard the nfs server |
| 14:47.09 | CoreDump|home | restart |
| 14:48.22 | odo | I don't see a nfs-server here, rpcinfo -p to the zaurus tells me that portmapper is running - nothing else? Is there a script or is it enough to start ????/nfsd |
| 14:50.04 | CoreDump|home | err there should be a init-script for that |
| 14:50.20 | hrw | morning |
| 14:50.27 | CoreDump|home | moring hrw |
| 14:50.45 | odo | morning hrw |
| 14:50.48 | hrw | CoreDump|home: I'm wondering all day how to make 3.5.4.1 feeds. |
| 14:51.19 | CoreDump|home | hmm? |
| 14:51.35 | hrw | CoreDump|home: 1st option is 'add them to 3.5.4' but then all !3.5.4.1 devices will get upgrades to newer glibc etc which I want to avoid as this is not tested |
| 14:51.41 | CoreDump|home | ahh |
| 14:51.49 | hrw | CoreDump|home: 2nd way is generating new feeds for 3.5.4.1 - this will take few days anyway |
| 14:52.19 | hrw | and 2nd means also that some stuff will not build probably |
| 14:52.37 | CoreDump|home | yeah but that seems to be the only way |
| 14:53.36 | hrw | yep |
| 14:54.11 | hrw | but I also planned to create images from feeds for !3.5.4.1 devices (all 2.4 powered) to give people images with all updates. |
| 14:54.48 | hrw | those images would be 3.5.4.2 but have to use 3.5.4 (arm/arm5) feeds rather then 3.5.4.1 (arm5 only) |
| 14:55.12 | CoreDump|home | hehe this is getting rather complex |
| 14:55.13 | hrw | or I can build 3.5.4.1 feeds for arm so all machines will use them |
| 14:55.32 | hrw | I will write to oz-devel |
| 14:55.37 | CoreDump|home | yeah |
| 14:56.47 | itsonlyme | Hey, hrw is here... if we get anymore Zaurus celebrities in here, we'll have to get a bigger channel. |
| 14:57.02 | hrw | itsonlyme: ke? |
| 14:57.15 | itsonlyme | ke??? |
| 14:57.33 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 14:57.35 | CoreDump|home | brb |
| 14:57.38 | hrw | ke (spanish) = co (polish) = what (english) |
| 14:57.56 | itsonlyme | ke = que in spanish :) |
| 14:58.12 | hrw | ok |
| 14:58.19 | hrw | will try to remember |
| 14:58.24 | itsonlyme | You and coredump are kind of famous on oesf.org |
| 14:58.37 | hrw | my ex-ex gf liked to watch latin series in TV |
| 14:58.42 | itsonlyme | I just thought it was cool to meet you. |
| 14:58.57 | itsonlyme | :0 |
| 14:58.59 | itsonlyme | :) |
| 15:02.01 | odo | hrw: do you know how to set up a ACER USB-Bluetooth adapter manually? |
| 15:02.36 | hrw | odo: give me cxx00 and I can look at this with my USB TDK BT adapter |
| 15:02.53 | hrw | odo: my Z does not have usb host functionality |
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| 15:03.05 | hrw | and on my desktop it just works |
| 15:03.15 | odo | hrw: too bad |
| 15:04.04 | odo | hrw: you know how to start nfs-server at the zaurus? |
| 15:04.06 | itsonlyme | has anyone ever looked at building ubuntu in chroot like debian? I think there was an arm/embedded project at one time. |
| 15:04.24 | hrw | itsonlyme: read about Embedian |
| 15:04.44 | hrw | itsonlyme: even Embedian creators said that OE is better to create embedded systems... |
| 15:04.51 | hrw | odo: I never used nfs |
| 15:10.17 | itsonlyme | can alt-boot install the tarballs on OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://www.openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | Current release: 3.5.4 | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ ? |
| 15:10.38 | hrw | can you repeat? |
| 15:11.03 | itsonlyme | oops |
| 15:11.05 | itsonlyme | heh |
| 15:11.34 | itsonlyme | can alt-boot install the tarballs on http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/3.5.4.1-test/rc4/images/akita/ |
| 15:11.41 | hrw | it can |
| 15:11.49 | hrw | thats what for those tarballs are |
| 15:12.01 | itsonlyme | I thought so... |
| 15:12.10 | itsonlyme | thanks |
| 15:12.36 | hrw | in past I released tar.bz2 tarballs but altboot get popular so I repacked all and from 3.5.4.1-alpha I release tar.gz ones |
| 15:14.50 | itsonlyme | I'm still fighting with alt-boot to try hentges opie loop filesystem . I created the boot-images directory, and renamed the file with a -rootfs.bin , but it still says no boot images found.... any ideas? |
| 15:15.12 | hrw | read altboot doc |
| 15:15.59 | itsonlyme | Im rereading it now. I think I'm missing something... |
| 15:20.07 | CoreDump|home | what's the full path including filename to the boot-image? Please use copy and paste |
| 15:23.34 | itsonlyme | ... |
| 15:23.53 | itsonlyme | it is /media/usbdisk/boot-images/1-rootfs.bin on my pc |
| 15:24.35 | itsonlyme | I have a theory... |
| 15:24.44 | CoreDump|home | me too hehe |
| 15:24.56 | CoreDump|home | path is correct |
| 15:25.35 | itsonlyme | what is it supposed to be? |
| 15:27.33 | itsonlyme | How can I use an already existing loop-image? |
| 15:27.33 | itsonlyme | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.46 | itsonlyme | oops |
| 15:28.29 | itsonlyme | what is your theory? |
| 15:33.56 | CoreDump|home | boot the Z into the flash and do a "ls -al /media/card" |
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| 15:36.37 | itsonlyme | I love to watch X restart. I do it all the time |
| 15:36.41 | hrw | CoreDump|home: you mirror OZ <3.5.4? |
| 15:37.43 | itsonlyme | I figured it out. Alt-boot was looking at the second partion. Which is what it should do, and I put the loop files on the first partion, which is not what I should do. |
| 15:38.28 | CoreDump|home | hrw: yeah |
| 15:38.43 | CoreDump|home | itsonlyme: glad you found it |
| 15:38.58 | CoreDump|home | hrw: http://oz.hentges.net/mirror/ |
| 15:39.16 | itsonlyme | thanks |
| 15:39.18 | hrw | CoreDump|home: please remove 3.5.3/c1000 3.5.3/c3000 |
| 15:39.29 | CoreDump|home | will do |
| 15:39.32 | hrw | thx |
| 15:39.33 | itsonlyme | problem existed between stylus and chair. |
| 15:39.49 | hrw | CoreDump|home: they are too obsolete and I do not want users to even touch it |
| 15:40.16 | CoreDump|home | done |
| 15:40.31 | CoreDump|home | itsonlyme: =D |
| 15:40.54 | CoreDump|home | pebsac |
| 15:41.34 | itsonlyme | the PDA version |
| 15:43.41 | itsonlyme | should "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated" take awhile? More or less then 3 minutes |
| 15:43.54 | hrw | 3 minutes it weird |
| 15:45.07 | CoreDump|home | hmm not 3m, no. |
| 15:45.19 | itsonlyme | nuts |
| 15:54.05 | itsonlyme | ls: /media/car/e-image-core-3.5.4.1-rc4-akita.roofs.ta.gz: input/output error ERROR: No rootfs.tar.gz found |
| 15:54.13 | itsonlyme | ? |
| 15:54.35 | itsonlyme | tried installing e17 image instead... |
| 15:55.45 | CoreDump|home | err i/o error == fucked up filesystem |
| 15:55.54 | hrw | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2006/06/17/oz-3541-status-update/ |
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| 15:56.14 | itsonlyme | did I miss anything? |
| 15:57.05 | itsonlyme | I must not be as smart as I thought I was... which isn't saying much... |
| 15:57.33 | CoreDump|home | <CoreDump|home> err i/o error == fucked up filesystem |
| 15:59.29 | itsonlyme | I redownloaded it and got the same message twice. Is it my fault or is the file bad? |
| 16:01.16 | CoreDump|home | itsonlyme: fsck and / or mkfs your SD card. It's FS is most-likely damaged |
| 16:11.00 | itsonlyme | have yall been playing with the e17 image? That looks like fun. |
| 16:13.40 | CoreDump|home | its pure eye-candy overload =) |
| 16:14.06 | CoreDump|home | http://hentges.net/tmp/screenshots/Zaurus/Akita/Enlightenment/ |
| 16:14.44 | itsonlyme | I hoped it would be. Is there is a plan to hentagize it? |
| 16:15.38 | CoreDump|home | yeah eventually |
| 16:16.18 | CoreDump|home | I don't have time for that right now tho |
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| 16:31.21 | JustinP | itsonlyme: ta.gz? |
| 16:34.28 | bronson | hrw, I used Sysy's suggestion for the wiki config so now it's possible to have wiki pages with periods in them. |
| 16:34.37 | bronson | just fyi. |
| 16:34.57 | bronson | I'll be gone all next week. |
| 16:36.44 | bronson | wiki page *titles* with periods in them. :) |
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| 16:46.12 | itsonlyme | JustinP: Que? |
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| 17:46.20 | hrw | cu |
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| 17:52.34 | aw | is it possible to get opera for my z again? i've lost my rom...got cacko's but no opera. |
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| 18:05.55 | CoreDump|home | DVB: registering new adapter (KWorld/ADSTech Instant DVB-T USB2.0). |
| 18:05.55 | CoreDump|home | i2c_adapter i2c-1: SMBus Quick command not supported, can't probe for chips |
| 18:05.58 | CoreDump|home | mehh |
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| 18:13.11 | Interrobang | in the enlightenment screenshots CoreDump|home posted, i saw a program (Evas i think) that seemed to test the framebuffer's speed. if this a program included with enlightenment? can it test the entire screen? (rather than corner it seems to in the ss) |
| 18:13.44 | CoreDump|home | Interrobang: it is fixed size (QVGA) |
| 18:13.59 | Interrobang | CoreDump|home: any programs to test tthe full vga renderign speed? |
| 18:14.17 | CoreDump|home | not that I knew of |
| 18:14.46 | Interrobang | CoreDump|home: got any video transcoding experience? i'm getting a suspicious amount of performance from vlc |
| 18:15.18 | CoreDump|home | nope sorry |
| 18:15.48 | Interrobang | have you ever tried playing video on your Z? if so, at what bitrate and what fps did you get? |
| 18:16.20 | CoreDump|home | well, forget those lovely 350Mb divx vids |
| 18:16.33 | Interrobang | yeah i know, i've done some experimentation |
| 18:16.49 | CoreDump|home | some play smooth but it's game over as soon as the Z has to scale the image up or down |
| 18:17.55 | CoreDump|home | darn, I was sooo close to try DVB-T on Akita |
| 18:17.55 | Interrobang | i tested various bitrates in OPIE MPlayer, and i settled on 300kbps divx video, 96kbps mp3 audio, and that got me around 20 fps |
| 18:18.02 | Interrobang | but in vlc... |
| 18:18.16 | CoreDump|home | Interrobang: I usually use mplayer =) |
| 18:18.32 | Interrobang | ...i'm able to play 800kbps h263 video, same audio, at 20fps |
| 18:19.05 | Interrobang | i thought sound was the crippling factor for a while, but i can play 400kbps h263 video and 128 kbps STEREO mp3 audio at approx 20 fps |
| 18:19.56 | Interrobang | but the picture doesn't improve much between 300kbps and 800kbps. i dnot' know if the artifacts are transcoding issues or some hidden bitrate regulatation feature in vlc |
| 18:20.24 | CoreDump|home | ~lart cvs.sourceforge.net |
| 18:21.29 | Interrobang | would it be too much trouble to recompile mplayer for normal x11, sdl, and normal fbdev use? |
| 18:22.03 | Interrobang | rather than those qtopia fb specializations |
| 18:31.03 | aw | anyone knows if i can run konqueror on cackos rom? or any other web browser? |
| 18:31.20 | hrw | aw: cacko should be able to run opera |
| 18:31.40 | aw | hrw: yea, but where do i get it from? |
| 18:36.02 | hrw | oesf? |
| 18:37.44 | aw | you mean i should install openzaurus instead? |
| 18:37.53 | hrw | ~oesf |
| 18:37.57 | ibot | it has been said that oesf is newer name of ZUG - it provide forum for Zaurus/Ipaq/Simpad/etc users (see zug). It has nothing common with OpenEmbedded (except first two words), or http://www.oesf.org/ |
| 18:38.32 | hrw | CoreDump|home: what do you think about having 'altboot metabug' in OE bugtracker? there are few altboot bugs already filed. |
| 18:38.38 | aw | hrw: right. but u mean i can find opera there? |
| 18:38.51 | CoreDump|home | hrw: fine with me |
| 18:39.03 | hrw | aw: yes |
| 18:39.25 | aw | hrw, wow, i sure hope so |
| 18:39.34 | hrw | CoreDump|home: what is your email on bugtracker? |
| 18:39.58 | CoreDump|home | hmm |
| 18:40.09 | hrw | ok. foundit |
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| 18:42.44 | hrw | CoreDump|home: http://bugs.openembedded.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=1093 |
| 18:43.03 | CoreDump|home | hrw: excellent! |
| 18:43.30 | aw | hrw: would it be on a feed? i can't find opera on oesf by searching on it... |
| 18:44.26 | hrw | aw: search in forums |
| 18:44.34 | hrw | aw: and go to #cacko for support ;D |
| 18:44.47 | aw | hrw: ty very much! |
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| 20:35.34 | Laibsch | I am still new to the scap feature. |
| 20:35.45 | Laibsch | Looks like this publishes a screenshot to the internet. |
| 20:36.16 | Laibsch | I used the little applet in the taskbar to publish a screenshot of my OZ running Japanese. YEAH! |
| 20:36.50 | Laibsch | But when I choose scap, I get a pop-up "Connection to www.handhelds.org failed." |
| 20:36.59 | Laibsch | pinging www.handhelds.org from my Z works fine. |
| 20:51.29 | Laibsch | .. |
| 20:51.52 | Laibsch | OK, here it is for all you screenshot lovers and fans of the Japanese language: http://leipzig.leggewie.org/?cat=1 |
| 20:52.15 | Laibsch | I'd still be interested to get that scap thing running. Such a nice tool, it seems to be. |
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| 22:30.44 | Zuse | Hi still someone awake ? |
| 22:36.51 | Zuse | Does somebody recognize hang ups for Aktita and OZ during suspend and resume ? |
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