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| 03:34.54 | Mudhoney | oops |
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| 05:15.20 | Interrobang | is xinit available in OZ anymore? |
| 05:15.55 | Interrobang | unless some1 knows how to capture the pid of an X server when you start it up |
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| 05:28.12 | tpdd | anyone here using a 6000l daily? |
| 05:30.11 | Interrobang | how do you force a C7x0 to send audio output to the headphone jack rather than the internal piezo buzzer? |
| 05:48.10 | Interrobang | no xkill anywhere in OZ either? |
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| 06:39.01 | poushag | hi folks - im fairly experienced with linux but new to openZ (was using sharp rom) |
| 06:40.19 | poushag | i just flashed my Z with openZ-3.5.4 and now it wont boot - altboot is erroring out "bad-file-descriptor" |
| 06:40.52 | poushag | i was going to try 3.5.4.1 but there is no collie release for it (or i just cant find it) |
| 06:41.23 | poushag | anybody have a suggestion what i should do now? |
| 06:42.50 | poushag | its late and im going to bed - but will stay logged into this channel - so please respond and i will check in the morning |
| 07:23.40 | johnX | poushag: I still have 3.5.3 on my collie, but 3.5.4 *should* work. md5sum the files you downloaded, check them again after you copy them to the CF card, reflash. |
| 07:25.11 | johnX | poushag: if that still fails, try reformatting your CF card FAT16 and if it still doesn't work try flashing with a different CF card (if you have one) |
| 07:26.25 | johnX | poushag: I have had my 5500 "just not flash right"(tm) sometimes for inexplicable reasons, keep trying |
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| 09:49.55 | Laibsch | I am still new to the scap feature. |
| 09:50.03 | Laibsch | Looks like this publishes a screenshot to the internet. |
| 09:50.25 | Laibsch | I used the little applet in the taskbar to publish a screenshot of my OZ running Japanese. YEAH! |
| 09:50.32 | Laibsch | But when I choose scap, I get a pop-up "Connection to www.handhelds.org failed." |
| 09:50.37 | Laibsch | pinging www.handhelds.org from my Z works fine. |
| 09:52.15 | Laibsch | poushag: things working now? |
| 09:52.38 | Laibsch | .. |
| 09:53.17 | Laibsch | Anybody ever use sshfs with their Z? I think I used to be able to but lately I get "remote host has disconnected" |
| 10:37.45 | hrw|husky | hi |
| 10:37.56 | hrw|husky | Laibsch: scap use handhelds.org/scap/ |
| 10:44.35 | Laibsch | hrw|husky: Thank you. I guess the applet needs some kind of update then. |
| 10:45.27 | hrw|husky | what is wrong> |
| 10:45.30 | hrw|husky | ? |
| 10:56.41 | CoreDump|home | morning |
| 10:59.33 | Laibsch | hrw|gone: The screenshot-applet does not work OOTB as I wrote above "But when I choose scap, I get a pop-up "Connection to www.handhelds.org failed."" |
| 10:59.58 | CoreDump|home | check your network settings then |
| 11:03.23 | CoreDump|home | is anyone with a sl-c3x00 here? How large is the default rootfs partition on the HDD? |
| 11:04.47 | Laibsch | CoreDump|home: pinging www.handhelds.org works fine |
| 11:05.01 | Laibsch | I guess that rules network problems out. |
| 11:05.11 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
| 11:05.50 | Laibsch | I'll try it via the command line as suggested. Maybe that gives a hint. |
| 11:06.03 | CoreDump|home | are you required to use a proxy for http? Does the shell app "scap" work? |
| 11:06.12 | Laibsch | Could it be the www.handhelds.org instead of handhelds.org? |
| 11:06.19 | Laibsch | No, I have no proxy. |
| 11:06.35 | CoreDump|home | try the shell app please |
| 11:06.57 | Laibsch | Result so far: |
| 11:07.08 | synth | wonder if mbm and them have thought about making the build env win32 compatible |
| 11:07.09 | Laibsch | root@collie:~# scap use handhelds.org/scap/ |
| 11:07.09 | Laibsch | awk: cmd. line:1: Unexpected token |
| 11:07.23 | synth | w/cygwin or one of the other *nix for win32 packages, shouldnt be bad.. |
| 11:07.31 | Laibsch | So there is something wrong in the standard setup. |
| 11:07.55 | CoreDump|home | Laibsch: interesting |
| 11:08.09 | CoreDump|home | you could try to debug the script |
| 11:08.16 | Laibsch | Now it hangs. |
| 11:08.47 | Laibsch | OK, it is using sh not bash. |
| 11:08.53 | Laibsch | I had that problem earlier. |
| 11:08.57 | Laibsch | with pobox |
| 11:09.46 | CoreDump|home | it isnt supposed to use bash |
| 11:10.22 | Laibsch | yes pobox is still in the works. Apparently the upstream uses bash. sh is fine, though for pobox it seems. |
| 11:10.43 | CoreDump|home | err I was talking about scap only ;) |
| 11:10.50 | CoreDump|home | dunno about pobox |
| 11:12.41 | Laibsch | Scap without parameters seems to work. |
| 11:13.03 | Laibsch | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.20546.png |
| 11:13.09 | Laibsch | VERY SLICK! |
| 11:13.15 | Laibsch | Now let's find the bug. |
| 11:14.01 | Laibsch | .. |
| 11:14.37 | Laibsch | Is it possible to easily delete pictures on hh.org/scap? Could be one publishes sensitive stuff unintentionally ;-) |
| 11:18.26 | Laibsch | Strange. |
| 11:18.48 | CoreDump|home | No, and indeed ;) |
| 11:19.01 | Laibsch | Now the GUI thing seems to work. Maybe it was a temporary problem yesterday with hh.org. |
| 11:19.11 | CoreDump|home | GPE screenshot pops up a warning about that before sending the shot |
| 11:19.16 | Laibsch | I'll report about the command line problems. |
| 11:23.02 | Laibsch | Is "scap use handhelds.org/scap/" even the correct syntax? Looking at the script it looks like parameters are not to be used. |
| 11:26.10 | CoreDump|home | ./scap is all it taked |
| 11:26.16 | CoreDump|home | takes |
| 11:26.40 | CoreDump|home | dunno if there are actually any spupported parameters |
| 11:26.48 | CoreDump|home | man my typing sucks today |
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| 11:56.49 | hrw|husky | all: does cxx00 has good made bottom or in suxx way like it is with c7x0 and big battery? |
| 12:01.08 | CoreDump|home | hrw|husky: the Cxx00 bottom is even like a cxx0 with default battery |
| 12:01.35 | hrw|husky | never saw cxx00 |
| 12:02.47 | CoreDump|home | I'll make a shot or two w/ my mobile, hang on |
| 12:03.55 | hrw|husky | no browser on z but will look later |
| 12:03.57 | hrw|husky | thx |
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| 12:10.10 | CoreDump|home | ~praise bluetooth |
| 12:10.14 | ibot | All hail bluetooth! |
| 12:12.16 | Laibsch | Trying to get a micro innovations pocketop-clone keyboard running with OZ. I guess irk-belkin is the right package for that? I installed it and typed a bit on the board but no reactions from the Z. Is there such a thing as a sniffer for IRDA? |
| 12:12.33 | hrw|husky | irdadump |
| 12:12.44 | Laibsch | Thanks |
| 12:14.42 | Laibsch | Once you get the hang of it and have a working setup OZ is SOOO incredibly awesome. |
| 12:14.44 | CoreDump|home | hrw|husky: http://hentges.net/tmp/photos/Akita/Casing/ |
| 12:14.51 | hrw|husky | thx |
| 12:14.54 | CoreDump|home | Laibsch: indeed |
| 12:14.58 | CoreDump|home | np |
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| 12:17.31 | Laibsch | Is there such a thing as debfoster for ipkg in OZ? |
| 12:21.13 | Laibsch | Judging from http://handhelds.org/~bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=734 it is not even possible with current ipkg. |
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| 13:09.26 | Zuse | hi someone here who own a Akita ? |
| 13:38.01 | Zuse | Hi Coredump sorry was afk. Did you notice resume probs ? |
| 13:38.31 | CoreDump|home | not really, no |
| 13:39.36 | Zuse | Hmmm... it seems it is a unkown prob. If I turn off my Z it will not wake up if t > 15 mins. |
| 13:40.11 | CoreDump|home | interesting, you are not the only one seeing this but I'm unable to reproduce |
| 13:40.21 | Zuse | Totally hang up only battery pull off helps -> ergo kernel hangs up |
| 13:41.08 | CoreDump|home | that would be a case for RP then but IIRC he can't reproduce it either |
| 13:41.12 | Zuse | First i thought it is a prob with some former partitioning for Cacko or pdaXrom but I reset it to the orginal settings. |
| 13:41.45 | RP | Zuse: Is this with or without AC power plugged in? |
| 13:41.56 | Zuse | Both AFAIK |
| 13:42.07 | Zuse | I think maybe my SD card |
| 13:42.15 | poushag | has anyone got 3.5.4 on a collie? i would like to know what "bad-file-descriptor" error on boot means |
| 13:42.23 | RP | Zuse: Do you have a serial lead? |
| 13:42.37 | Zuse | RP:Sorry n |
| 13:42.41 | Zuse | RP:Sorry no |
| 13:42.43 | CoreDump|home | poushag: eject all cards and try again |
| 13:43.06 | poushag | did that already - what does that error mean exaxtly? |
| 13:43.12 | RP | Zuse: People have mentioned resume issues but I'm afraid I can't reproduce and don't know what the problem is :-/ |
| 13:43.33 | RP | It doesn't appear to affect all devices |
| 13:43.39 | Zuse | RP: where are you from. I can show you the prob ;) |
| 13:44.00 | RP | Zuse: North east UK |
| 13:44.06 | lardman | hi everyone |
| 13:44.13 | RP | hi lardman |
| 13:44.19 | lardman | hey RP |
| 13:44.26 | poushag | CoreDump: did that already - what does that error mean exaxtly? |
| 13:45.18 | CoreDump|home | RP: Are there any known problems w/ USB2.0 devices in 2.6.16? Im getting lots of USB disconnects from my DVB stick which is 2.0 |
| 13:45.34 | Zuse | Coredump: I thought about altboot. How difficult would it be to implement a flag which will be turned on by the first altbootand checked by the second one ? |
| 13:45.36 | CoreDump|home | poushag: probably a damaged file system, not sure |
| 13:45.40 | RP | CoreDump|home: Which kernel are you running? |
| 13:46.07 | RP | CoreDump|home: We recently added a patch to get the power limits right for OHCI. Also note the Zaurus is USB 1.1 only |
| 13:46.17 | CoreDump|home | RP: 2.6.16 on Z and 2.6.16.20 on notebook. |
| 13:46.19 | Zuse | RP: Ok ist not my SD pluged it off and still the same prob |
| 13:46.19 | poushag | hi lardman |
| 13:46.33 | CoreDump|home | RP: that might be it, Ill flash an udated kerneö |
| 13:47.09 | RP | CoreDump|home: With the power limit set, its possible your card just won't work at all. You might need a powered hub inbetween |
| 13:47.17 | CoreDump|home | RP: I was just wondering since I'm seeing the same problems on my notbook when the USB port runs with USB 2.0 support |
| 13:47.22 | poushag | lardman: to catch you up - my collie errors out on boot saying "bad file descriptor" - im trying to find out what that means - then i can take a logical course of action |
| 13:47.34 | CoreDump|home | RP: I'm using a powered hub already |
| 13:47.46 | RP | CoreDump|home: The kernel update won't help then |
| 13:47.49 | CoreDump|home | darn |
| 13:48.31 | RP | If your laptop does it as well, it sounds like an issue with the card. Try 2.6.17? |
| 13:48.37 | CoreDump|home | what's the power limit on a Z btw? |
| 13:48.43 | RP | 150mA |
| 13:48.53 | CoreDump|home | thanks |
| 13:49.30 | Zuse | RP: Is there any difference between a short suspend resume cycle (t<10min) and a longer one ?!? |
| 13:49.33 | CoreDump|home | RP: on my notebook I just hardwired the port to USB 1.1 which fixes the problems |
| 13:50.08 | lardman | poushag: Did I answer a post from you on the forum? |
| 13:50.12 | RP | CoreDump|home: The Z is 1.1 always... |
| 13:50.25 | CoreDump|home | RP: I know =) Still the same problems. |
| 13:50.39 | poushag | lardman: i dont believe ive ever been on the forum |
| 13:51.09 | poushag | lardman: if you have aweblink that you think will help im all ears (and eyes) |
| 13:52.31 | lardman | poushag: Ah no, don't worry. Let me scroll back and see what your error was |
| 13:54.43 | lardman | poushag: No idea I'm afraid, I'd go with CoreDump's idea of a corrupt filesystem |
| 13:55.46 | lardman | bronson: The opening page on the wiki seems a bit broken |
| 13:56.02 | lardman | bronson: http://wiki.openzaurus.org/ gives me a directory listing |
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| 14:00.40 | poushag | thanks lardman, CoreDump |
| 14:01.16 | poushag | i guess i will try to flash again (CF card is 1GB SanDisk btw) |
| 14:03.03 | Zuse | RP: Any idea what could I try to solve the resume prob ? |
| 14:04.04 | RP | Zuse: It depends what kind of resme problem it is. With the last person I tried to debug this with, the device didn't seem to resume at all suggesting some really low level problem |
| 14:05.16 | Zuse | RP: Hmm... i can resume if the time is not to long between suspend and resume are there any difference in time ?!?! |
| 14:05.48 | RP | Zuse: I suspect its something to do with voltages and perhaps we need the frquency and voltage scaling code |
| 14:06.04 | RP | but I'm guessing |
| 14:07.53 | Zuse | RP: Just tell me how can I help and I will do ;) |
| 14:08.33 | RP | Zuse: Port the 2.4 voltage scaling code to 2,6? :-/ |
| 14:08.57 | RP | Zuse: I do plan to it but like everything its a question of time |
| 14:12.20 | Zuse | RP: O.K. First I will try to determine the exact way how and under which cirumstance the Z crash |
| 14:13.09 | RP | Zuse: Finding out whether it resumes at all would be useful... |
| 14:13.50 | Zuse | RP: As I said if i just wait less then 15 mins it will resume only for longer periods it will not wake up again. |
| 14:15.18 | bronson | lardman, you're right. |
| 14:15.44 | bronson | It's a side-effect of the change to enable periods in page names. |
| 14:16.04 | RP | Zuse: That doesn't tell me what's wrong with the hardware though :-( |
| 14:16.56 | Zuse | RP: Me too ;) Is there any difference if the Z suspend for longer time rather then short time ? |
| 14:17.58 | RP | Zuse: It does wakeup every 10 minutes while charging but no other real differences |
| 14:18.20 | lardman | Do the latest akita images work? On oesf someone has had this error message "Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel.", this reminds me of the error caused by a spitz init line (iirc) |
| 14:18.23 | bronson | lardman, thanks for picking up on that. Fixed now. |
| 14:18.40 | CoreDump|home | lardman: they work, pbcak |
| 14:18.44 | lardman | bronson: No probs, could you re-add me to the admin list please, I seem to have lost my permissions |
| 14:18.53 | bronson | really?? sure, np |
| 14:19.00 | lardman | (and my usename infact, odd) |
| 14:19.35 | lardman | bronson: Thanks |
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| 14:26.28 | poushag | bye for now |
| 14:30.29 | bronson | lardman, OK, you should have full rights now. |
| 14:38.03 | lardman | ~lart berlios |
| 14:38.31 | lardman | oh no ~lart me |
| 15:01.33 | lardman | Anyone here with a Tosa? |
| 15:01.42 | lardman | Can someone check this please?: http://wiki.openzaurus.org/Tosa/Install |
| 15:12.50 | CoreDump|home | mehhh |
| 15:13.03 | CoreDump|home | the kernel from .oz354x doesn't boot on Akita |
| 15:13.16 | CoreDump|home | but hrw's "final" kernel works fine |
| 15:14.20 | CoreDump|home | hrw|gone: Are you sure you pushed all kernel changes into the branch? Akita's kernel doesn't boot at all here |
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| 15:18.42 | odo_ | Zuse: Just reading your akita-problems with resume. I had that to until the new 3.5.4.1 final version-now it works. |
| 15:23.37 | Zuse | odo_: Thanks I will check this |
| 15:28.19 | odo_ | but I still cannot get the ACEr USB-bluetoothadapter to work ... anybody here hwo nows about the usb subsytem and the perhaps missing modules and tools? |
| 15:29.13 | Laibsch | The topic for #openzaurus is: OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://www.openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | Current release: 3.5.4 | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ but only if you are 100% sure it IS an OZ bug, otherwise expect devs to haunt you |
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| 15:32.22 | hrhr | hi, can anybody say me where I can find somebody who develop pdaxrom? |
| 15:32.33 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.49 | hrhr | have pdaxrom chanel on freenode? |
| 15:33.04 | lardman | indeed, I just gave you it |
| 15:33.23 | hrhr | thx |
| 15:33.33 | lardman | np |
| 15:33.40 | hrhr | lardman, pdaxrom use kernel from OZ as I understand? |
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| 15:33.58 | lardman | hrhr: No, they use the patches, but they build their own |
| 15:35.42 | odo | Zuse: just checked: I suspended akita, unpluged the WLAN-CF-card, took it with me several hours, used it for some addressbookthings, got home again, plugged WLAN-card back resumed an the nfs-mounted volume is herer again |
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| 15:45.48 | CoreDump|home | hrw|gone: ignore my last comment, my defconfig was b0rked |
| 15:49.00 | lardman | If anyone wants to look though the installation instructions on the wiki, that would be useful. I'd like to get them all reasonably similar in style & structure though, so if you see something which needs changing, can you do so for all the instructions please |
| 15:49.06 | lardman | http://wiki.openzaurus.org/Install |
| 15:49.26 | lardman | I've no idea about the Spitz btw, so if someone could look at that and check it's right, that would be useful |
| 15:51.13 | lardman | ~lart changes to the initrd.bin naming from bitbake |
| 15:51.49 | lardman | Which is the current flavour?: bootstrap-image-3.5.4-poodle.initrd.bin, bootstrap-image-3.5.4-poodle.rootfs.img |
| 15:52.00 | lardman | or the jffs2 one? |
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| 17:21.02 | CoreDump|home | hrw: could you set the final feed URLs for .1 in .oz please? |
| 17:21.47 | hrw | ok will do |
| 17:21.49 | lardman | CoreDump|home: When you say the akita kernel works, is this the one from the download dir, or your own one? |
| 17:21.58 | lardman | CoreDump|home: I can't think what else is wrong here: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19996&hl= |
| 17:22.06 | lardman | hey hrw |
| 17:22.13 | CoreDump|home | lardman: both |
| 17:22.24 | CoreDump|home | hrw: thanks =) |
| 17:22.26 | lardman | CoreDump|home: Any thoughts on his issue? |
| 17:23.30 | CoreDump|home | maybe he flashed the tarball? His rootfs is f*cked, not the kernel =) |
| 17:24.18 | lardman | CoreDump|home: Okay |
| 17:24.22 | CoreDump|home | http://hentges.net/tmp/do_not_use/Akita/ <- he could try to flash one of these |
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| 17:27.05 | lardman | CoreDump|home: Thanks, have pointed him in that direction |
| 17:27.23 | CoreDump|home | lets see if it helps |
| 17:27.47 | lardman | hmm - which file should be renamed as the initrd.bin? |
| 17:28.30 | CoreDump|home | he must d/l a tar.gz one of hentes-image-* |
| 17:28.31 | lardman | http://hentges.net/tmp/do_not_use/Akita/hentges-gpe-image-akita_T1-RC6.tar.gz etc.? Different naming scheme |
| 17:28.38 | CoreDump|home | yeah |
| 17:28.50 | CoreDump|home | the archive contains the initrd.bin |
| 17:28.55 | lardman | cool |
| 17:29.30 | lardman | Need to sort out naming schemes in general - I had fun working out what different combos there are when I was fiddling witrh the installation instructions earlier |
| 17:30.01 | CoreDump|home | agreed |
| 17:30.09 | CoreDump|home | .bin .img .jffs2 grrr |
| 17:30.22 | lardman | yep |
| 17:30.29 | lardman | what does bitbake produce atm? |
| 17:30.33 | lardman | .rootfs.img? |
| 17:30.33 | CoreDump|home | I'd call it gpe-initrd.bin, opie-initrd.bin etc |
| 17:30.54 | lardman | if they can be kept separate (for each machine) then yes |
| 17:31.06 | CoreDump|home | -akita.rootfs.img |
| 17:32.19 | lardman | the updater.sh needs some love - it should shout at the user if it decides not to flash anything |
| 17:32.29 | lardman | or to only flash one part, etc. |
| 17:32.34 | lardman | would save lots of hassle |
| 17:33.15 | hrhr | anybody know about problem: I have not rotated desktop and rotated touchscreen input |
| 17:33.33 | lardman | hrhr: You running pdaXrom? |
| 17:33.37 | CoreDump|home | lardman: the problem is that the current updater.sh is a total mess. |
| 17:33.47 | lardman | CoreDump|home: Oh yes |
| 17:33.50 | hrhr | lardman: yes |
| 17:34.17 | lardman | hrhr: Can't help then I'm afraid, as I don't know anything about it |
| 17:34.40 | lardman | CoreDump|home: Shame about your DVB-T stick, you had any more thoughts about getting it working? |
| 17:34.43 | hrhr | lardman: if not pdaxrom? |
| 17:35.13 | lardman | hrhr: If you were running OpenZaurus, I'd be able to look at the bug tracker & forums and see if I recognise the problem |
| 17:35.17 | CoreDump|home | lardman: no, no clue why I doesn't pick up a signal. Would need some hardcore debugging I'm afraid |
| 17:35.40 | lardman | CoreDump|home: But it does work with the same modules on your laptop? |
| 17:35.53 | CoreDump|home | yes, (almost) same kernel even |
| 17:35.54 | hrhr | lardman: ok,thx |
| 17:36.04 | CoreDump|home | 2.6.16.20 on notebook |
| 17:36.07 | lardman | hrhr: Sorry |
| 17:37.01 | lardman | CoreDump|home: I was thinking about getting one of those DVB-T sticks, I might give it a go |
| 17:37.38 | CoreDump|home | lardman: DVB-T on a Z would be uber-leet =) |
| 17:37.51 | NAbyss | CoreDump|home: Yeah, what USB bandwidth though? :) |
| 17:38.05 | lardman | CoreDump|home: I should test and see how much bandwidth I get first - I need to finally get round to trying my webcam |
| 17:38.07 | CoreDump|home | NAbyss: USB 1.1 is not a problem |
| 17:38.11 | NAbyss | CoreDump|home: Really? |
| 17:38.28 | CoreDump|home | I've hardwired my notebook to 1.1, works fine |
| 17:38.33 | NAbyss | Ah, cool |
| 17:38.47 | CoreDump|home | Matter of factly I'm watching soccer w/ it atm =) |
| 17:39.03 | lardman | What's the score? Aus vs Braz? |
| 17:39.32 | NAbyss | lardman: BRA 1 AUS 0 |
| 17:40.01 | NAbyss | Which many over here won't be happy with ;) |
| 17:40.14 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 17:40.53 | lardman | Those dvb-t sticks are still pretty pricey over here |
| 17:41.34 | CoreDump|home | ~50? |
| 17:41.58 | lardman | yeah, perhaps a bit less, but still a fair bit to pay for something that may not work |
| 17:42.20 | lardman | ah, just found a couple for £30 |
| 17:42.36 | CoreDump|home | getting one that works w/ Linux can be a bitch |
| 17:42.55 | CoreDump|home | vendors chaning the entire chipset w/o changing the bloody name and all |
| 17:43.02 | lardman | yep, and there are usually no descriptions of the chipset on the pages |
| 17:44.38 | CoreDump|home | http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_USB-Boxen |
| 17:45.47 | CoreDump|home | oops, though taht was an english page |
| 17:46.27 | CoreDump|home | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_cards |
| 17:47.33 | lardman | Yesp, saw that one - the one I've seen for £30 is the Freecom DVB-T USB Stick |
| 17:47.53 | lardman | not sure what version though, or whether that would matter (if it could be downgraded) |
| 17:51.48 | lardman | time to head home, see you all tomorrow |
| 17:51.56 | CoreDump|home | bya Laibsch |
| 17:52.04 | CoreDump|home | bye lardman|gone |
| 17:52.12 | Laibsch | Ciao |
| 17:52.43 | Laibsch | Have fun with your TV-card, CoreDump|home |
| 17:53.16 | CoreDump|home | I have ;) |
| 17:53.36 | Laibsch | WC 2006? |
| 17:53.54 | Laibsch | Next game will happen only 300m away from here. |
| 17:54.02 | Laibsch | The crowd is heating up already. |
| 17:54.14 | Laibsch | Too bad I do not care for soccer. |
| 17:55.00 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 17:55.22 | CoreDump|home | Nor do I usually. But the wm is different (for me) |
| 18:00.43 | Laibsch | CoreDump|home: One question if I may. Is it technically possible to altboot a Sharp ROM from collie. I understand that the kernel cannot be changed after altboot has come up. Is the OZ kernel the same as the one on the Sharp Rom? It does seem to have the same string in uname. |
| 18:01.22 | CoreDump|home | Laibsch: AFAIK the OZ kernel is different from the Sharp kernel |
| 18:01.25 | hrw | Laibsch: Oz kernel got many patches which can make sharprom not working |
| 18:01.33 | hrw | Laibsch: you can try it ofcourse ;) |
| 18:01.52 | Laibsch | OK, I was wondering if it out of the question no matter what. |
| 18:02.02 | Laibsch | I'll just try a loop-mounted image for fun. |
| 18:02.22 | hrw | Laibsch: its free world - you can try anything |
| 18:03.07 | Laibsch | well, I like to be efficient if I can ;-) If it was clearly impossible, I'd rather not waste my time ;-) |
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| 20:53.47 | poushag | good news: i got hentges OZ 3.5.4 flashed onto my collie - bad news: the regular OZ 3.5.4 rom was unbootable (and i verified the md5 sum too) |
| 20:54.55 | poushag | but there is s light prob with hentges rom - the "new storage media detected" dialog is rotated the wrong way and i dont know what to do with it |
| 20:55.01 | CoreDump|home | poushag: our bugtrackers would overflood if collies images was unbootable. |
| 20:55.21 | CoreDump|home | reboot w/o inserted cards....stupid years old opie bug |
| 20:55.37 | poushag | coredump: told you i did that |
| 20:55.53 | poushag | and i didnt have to do it with hentges rom either |
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| 20:57.49 | poushag | im a 36 year old engineer with ms in ee and plenty of experience with computers and linux too |
| 20:58.22 | poushag | so im giving you good feedback |
| 21:00.50 | poushag | anyway, will someone tell me, do i just hit enter or ok button to get past the new media dialog? (i prefer not to just take a wag if somebody here could clue me in) |
| 21:01.10 | hrw | poushag: oz 3.5.4 boot on collie |
| 21:01.38 | poushag | thanks hrw - maybe it was just the 64:0 rom that has a problem |
| 21:01.53 | poushag | but the hentges rom was 64:0 as well |
| 21:02.36 | hrw | poushag: I tested 64/0 on my collie (other kernels too ;) |
| 21:03.01 | poushag | hrw: nobody could really tell me what the "bad-file-descriptor" error really means - do you know? |
| 21:03.35 | poushag | perhaps what is missing is better error handling (i.e. more descriptive error messages) |
| 21:03.43 | hrw | dont know |
| 21:05.53 | poushag | well i dont know what else to think when i tried flashing twice and verified the md5 sum as well - and given how the hentges rom worked on the first try using the same method (and took the same amount of time to flash - about 2:15) |
| 21:06.56 | poushag | so moving on - anything i should do to correct the new media dialog rotation? or how to just get it to go away? |
| 21:08.02 | kellyh|afk | poushag: just make sure all cards are removed when you boot it up into opie, do the calibration, then reboot with the cards in |
| 21:08.28 | poushag | thanks kellyh |
| 21:08.56 | kellyh|afk | annoyingly I'm zaurus-less atm :( my collie's screen got cracked |
| 21:09.12 | hrw | shit happens |
| 21:09.14 | poushag | too bad |
| 21:09.17 | kellyh|afk | indeed |
| 21:09.18 | hrw | kellyh|afk: where are you from? |
| 21:09.22 | kellyh|afk | hrw: uk |
| 21:09.36 | kellyh|afk | i've got a C860 on the way thankfully |
| 21:10.05 | poushag | what happened to crack it? |
| 21:10.38 | kellyh | I don't know, I just found it with a crack in it, something must of fallen on it |
| 21:10.46 | hrw | kellyh: pavel machek (guy who work on 2.6 for collie) was searching for working collie some time ago |
| 21:11.07 | kellyh | hrw: it works fine other than the touchscreen |
| 21:11.41 | poushag | i have a nice case for mine - but i suppose it wouldnt do any good if something really heavy landed on it |
| 21:11.54 | kellyh | yeh, i've got a case for mine. |
| 21:12.00 | hrw | my collie spend most of time gathering dust |
| 21:12.19 | poushag | i just dusted mine off after about a year |
| 21:12.22 | kellyh | i'll probably just use it as a media hub for music |
| 21:13.32 | poushag | actually its more like a year and a half |
| 21:14.38 | poushag | but between then and now i was linuxing my but off with several redhat and fedora servers |
| 21:15.01 | poushag | so now i actually understand whats going on under the zaurus gui |
| 21:16.54 | Interrobang | most ppl find that once you learn how your computer works, gui's tend to get in the way |
| 21:17.43 | Interrobang | i'm seriously considering what scripts i'd need to load things like web browsers and such in their own X servers and just change vts for multitasking |
| 21:18.38 | poushag | well i came up on dos - but since i started using macs and linux i am seriously underimpressed by windoze - i use ssh and terminal ALL the time |
| 21:18.45 | Interrobang | i wonder how much text i could fit on a c860 screen with the collie console font... |
| 21:19.06 | Interrobang | yeah, i use kde on my desktop, but i spend all my time in konsole |
| 21:19.18 | Interrobang | i even change application themes to mimic that |
| 21:19.43 | Interrobang | so many damn apps are hard coded for black on white though, the colors don't work out |
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| 21:19.57 | poushag | putty is a great tool if you are stuck on the winbloze platform for work like i am |
| 21:20.28 | poushag | i like the colors in the bash shell under redhat/fedora |
| 21:20.33 | Interrobang | i have the opportunity to ssh fmo windows, but i don't trust the windows machine so it makes ssh kinda moot |
| 21:20.49 | poushag | i did my best to emulate them on my (personal) mac terminal |
| 21:21.34 | poushag | say folks - got a bit of catch 22 here |
| 21:22.06 | poushag | i backed up my files from my old sharp rom onto SD with FAT fs and then copied them off to a PC |
| 21:22.32 | poushag | now i want to put cardfs on the sd but it says i have to reformat SD as ext2/3 |
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| 21:24.12 | poushag | i dont want to keep backup files on cf since i use that slot for wireless - but it appears i may not have a choice in order to use cardfs |
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| 21:24.50 | CoreDump|home | correct. CardFS requires a FS that supports symlinks. Something no MS FS can handle |
| 21:25.00 | poushag | i thought cardfs would be a coolthing to try (but only if it would be easy to undo) |
| 21:25.32 | CoreDump|home | formatting the card "undoes" cardfs nicely ;) |
| 21:26.08 | poushag | i guess what i really need to know is - what is the benefit of using cardfs? (SD card is 128MB btw) |
| 21:26.37 | Laibsch | shouldn't it be possible to copy a loop file from CF to SD and altboot it from there? |
| 21:26.51 | poushag | yeah i meant undo and restore it back to FAT with my backups on it (or preferably not have to disturb the backups at all) |
| 21:27.14 | CoreDump|home | Laibsch: that should work yes |
| 21:27.51 | CoreDump|home | poushag: the advantage is a pre-configured system with a sh*itload of apps right after installation has finished |
| 21:28.07 | Laibsch | CoreDump|home: It would not boot into Opie anymore. Now after I had to switch off the Z forcefully and e2fsck a couple of times, I assume the image file is completely borked. |
| 21:28.09 | CoreDump|home | It required a SD or CF card that is _always_ inserted |
| 21:28.34 | CoreDump|home | Laibsch: :\ |
| 21:28.49 | Laibsch | poushag: don't know what you are trying to do. Can't you just create an image file on SD which has CardFS? |
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| 21:31.49 | poushag | i want to have a way to store redundant backups from sd - was using pc to do that - but thinking now i could possibly move the backups off FAT SD - reformat to EXT2/3 SD and then restore from Mac redundant backups |
| 21:33.27 | poushag | anybody a Mac guru by chance? im not sure if mac can read ext2/3 (but i know it reads FAT SD ok) |
| 21:33.48 | poushag | problem is i only have one sd card to work with |
| 21:34.07 | Laibsch | I always hesitate to reformat flash cards. Some of them do not take it easy |
| 21:34.49 | Laibsch | poushag: What Mac? Recent? Unix-based? |
| 21:35.13 | poushag | oh yeah - osx tiger on a powermac g4 |
| 21:35.59 | poushag | it roxxors - im changing all my computers over to mac - next is a laptop |
| 21:36.41 | Laibsch | Well, then it should certainly read ext2 |
| 21:37.07 | Laibsch | But as I said, some cards do not like to be formatted to another FS |
| 21:37.17 | poushag | thats what youd think as a linux/unix geek - but apple uses hfs filesystem so im going to google to be sure |
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| 21:45.46 | Laibsch | CoreDump|home: I think it might have to do with me using the SD card for installing Sharp ROM stuff. There was an Applications dir on the SD card. Will move that out of the way and test again. |
| 21:49.50 | Interrobang | has any1 tried pdaXrom's video playback? i hear it uses some hacked video acceleration. how fast does it render 640x480? (name video codec and bitrate if possible) |
| 21:51.46 | poushag | crap - mac osx (at first glance) appears not to have usable ext2 support - but www.fs-driver.org has a free driver for winbloze |
| 21:52.19 | syn- | heh |
| 21:52.56 | Laibsch | CoreDump|home: well, this image file still hangs when starting opie from SD |
| 21:53.02 | Laibsch | :-( |
| 21:53.44 | CoreDump|home | I guess it's toast then :\ |
| 21:56.22 | poushag | anybody tried splitting an SD card into two partitions? (one FAT and one ext2) |
| 21:56.40 | johnX | I split mine into ext2 and swap |
| 21:56.48 | johnX | both are primary partitions |
| 21:56.50 | poushag | i would put cardfs on the ext2 side and my file backups onto the FAT side |
| 21:57.43 | poushag | does cardfs need the whole sd card? or need to be on the first partition maybe? |
| 21:58.07 | poushag | i guess i will try this out later - but gotta go eat now |
| 21:59.06 | poushag | thanks for all the help folks - opie is booting up on the Z - so i am closer to where i was trying to go |
| 22:01.04 | Laibsch | CoreDump|home: Well, it does boot from CF. The exact same loop file. You wanna have it and take a look? |
| 22:02.06 | CoreDump|home | sure, zip it up and send it to oe (AT) hentges (DOT) net |
| 22:02.33 | CoreDump|home | hrw|gone: did you change any opie stuff? Doesn't launch at all w/ an image from today on Collie |
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| 22:13.49 | CoreDump|home | n8 all |
| 22:46.03 | CoreDump|afk | hrw|gone: that media-mount dialog fix broke things badly |
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| 22:53.54 | grendal_prime | hey guys |
| 22:55.27 | grendal_prime | ive been using a 5500 for some time now... was just looking and saw that the 2.6 kernels were read for collie, anyone using it and if so..is there any major advantage to it? |
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| 23:29.38 | grendal_prime | ive been using a 5500 for some time now... was just looking and saw that the 2.6 kernels were read for collie, anyone using it and if so..is there any major advantage to it? |
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| 23:34.07 | Laibsch | OK, I deleted two large files from my SD card. To prevent problems, I issued a sync afterwards. Now the Z hangs there forever. I can ssh into it. "umount /media/card/" says the device is busy. Sync has not finished for the last hour or so. How should I proceed without again risking my data? |
| 23:41.16 | grendal_prime | you sure that its not accessing something else on the card? |
