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| 07:38.50 | hrw|work | morning |
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| 09:12.38 | carbonfreeze | how are the 3.5.4.1 builds coming along? I noticed OE tinderbox is offline |
| 09:13.25 | XorA | I think hrw|work is currently melting cpu's |
| 09:13.38 | carbonfreeze | hehe |
| 09:14.37 | hrw|work | ewi does not respond currently |
| 09:14.53 | hrw|work | carbonfreeze: ~50% is built |
| 09:14.54 | carbonfreeze | I've never messed around with tinderbox, would there be any way for me to contrib some cpu for the builds? |
| 09:15.00 | XorA | hrw|work: you finally killed it through overwork |
| 09:15.53 | hrw|work | I will kill e17 probably |
| 09:31.52 | lardman|work | morning |
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| 09:44.57 | lardman|work | hrw|work: Do you have upgrades building abilities atm, or are you flat out with the 3.5.4.1 builds? |
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| 09:50.48 | hrw|work | lardman|work: I can build upgrades too |
| 09:51.11 | hrw|work | lardman|work: but first has to get into ewi (which looks like overloaded too much) |
| 10:27.02 | lardman|work | hrw|work: I was after spca5xx if you have time |
| 10:27.11 | lardman|work | hrw|work: For the c7x0 |
| 10:27.34 | lardman|work | RP: ping |
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| 10:27.58 | lardman|work | Anyone here running gpe atm? |
| 10:28.21 | hrw|work | lardman|work: you know where to req this |
| 10:28.27 | lardman|work | I flashed the 3.5.4.1rc4 image and was fiddling about, and there are issues afaict (though they may be my fault) |
| 10:28.35 | lardman|work | hrw|work: Indeed ;) |
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| 10:37.47 | lardman|work | Anyone running gpe here? |
| 10:38.30 | lardman|work | Do you find the following? In Look n Feel, the font size text box can only take one digit - so font sizes >9 don't fit |
| 10:38.51 | lardman|work | The Font name doesn't fit in the button, it's cut in half vertically |
| 10:38.57 | lardman|work | (same page as above) |
| 10:39.31 | lardman|work | The example terminal font, is too large - presumably this is because the terminal doesn't handle the dpi settings correctly or somesuch |
| 10:39.56 | lardman|work | I also fell into the age old trap of not doing rm -rf ~/* |
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| 10:40.41 | XorA | lardman|work: heh heh |
| 10:40.41 | lardman|work | but when I did that after my first login, the ~/.gpe/settings db isn't created, so gpe-confd doesn't want to run, so look n feel doesn't actually change anything |
| 10:41.03 | lardman|work | Anyone know what should create that file? |
| 10:41.09 | XorA | lardman|work: I run gpe and I put my dpi back to 96 like gtk expects and never had problems anymore |
| 10:41.10 | lardman|work | XorA: Quite :) |
| 10:41.41 | lardman|work | XorA: How did you change it? This is a bit of an issue for releases IMO |
| 10:41.53 | XorA | .Xdefaults |
| 10:41.56 | lardman|work | I guess we just need gpe to handle the dpi stuff correctly |
| 10:41.58 | XorA | Xft.dpi: 96 |
| 10:42.01 | lardman|work | XorA: Thanks |
| 10:43.36 | lardman|work | Anyone know where to get a cheap(ish) battery for a c7x0 (large or small) as mine now hovers around the 20% mark all the time |
| 10:43.57 | lardman|work | which leads me onto wanting to talk to RP... ;) |
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| 10:51.50 | lardman|work | RP: I've been seeing the stroboscopic effect of low battery and kernel backlight control code oscillating around the limiting percentage |
| 10:52.20 | hrw|work | lardman|work: nokia 7110 + some wires? |
| 10:52.31 | lardman|work | RP: Is this an unusual occurrance - as I have a knackered battery? Or is it worth putting something in to limit the speed of this? |
| 10:52.50 | lardman|work | hrw|work: Yeah, I was hoping I could just buy a proper one for decent money by now |
| 10:53.27 | hrw|work | lardman|work: tried brando? laptopforless? |
| 10:53.31 | XorA | lardman|work: I get that effect |
| 10:53.52 | XorA | lardman|work: and my battery is functional |
| 10:53.56 | hrw|work | http://shop.brando.com.hk/zaurusea_bl08k.php |
| 10:54.09 | lardman|work | XorA: I was thinking either having asymmetrical limits, or a timer might be better |
| 10:54.09 | hrw|work | US$87.00 - expensive? |
| 10:54.25 | hrw|work | US$62.00 for small one |
| 10:54.42 | lardman|work | £47 |
| 10:54.48 | lardman|work | not too bad I guess |
| 10:54.55 | XorA | lardman|work: Im guessing its due to the battery level indication being affected be the drain rate |
| 10:55.22 | hrw|work | http://www.pdainternalbattery.com/sharppdabattery.html cheap |
| 10:55.34 | lardman|work | XorA: The battery recovers slightly when the backlight is turned down, so it switches back on, and drops, et cetera |
| 10:56.01 | lardman|work | hrw|work: Nice :) |
| 10:56.29 | hrw|work | lardman|work: look at collie picture there |
| 10:56.42 | lardman|work | hmm |
| 10:57.09 | lardman|work | Will the 5600 battery fit the c7x0? |
| 10:57.22 | hrw|work | yes |
| 10:57.25 | XorA | lardman|work: that looks like my c860 battery |
| 10:57.26 | hrw|work | its the same one |
| 10:57.37 | XorA | need extended back though? |
| 10:57.40 | lardman|work | yes |
| 10:57.50 | lardman|work | any ideas where to get a cheap one of those then :) |
| 10:57.51 | hrw|work | bl-06 = collie, c700, c750. bl-08 = poodle, c760, c860 |
| 10:58.09 | hrw|work | lardman|work: brando add it to battery (as sharp do) |
| 10:59.10 | lardman|work | But there's a lot of difference between $15 and $87 for a battery |
| 10:59.28 | hrw|work | l-f-l are assholes |
| 10:59.36 | hrw|work | do not ship to Poland |
| 11:01.14 | lardman|work | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sharp-Zaurus-SLC1000-SLC3000-SLC3100-SL-5600-Battery_W0QQitemZ8821745992QQcategoryZ75446QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 11:01.56 | hrw|work | hmm.. I was thinking that cxx00 use BL-11 not BL-08 |
| 11:02.09 | lardman|work | hrw|work: That's what I thought too |
| 11:02.14 | lardman|work | XorA: Join the club |
| 11:05.01 | lardman|work | http://conics.net/shp/pda/zaurus-sl-c700/images/sl-acc.html |
| 11:05.16 | lardman|work | So the cxx00 batteries fit the other clamshells too? |
| 11:05.26 | lardman|work | Looking at the description for the EA-BL11 |
| 11:09.00 | hrw|work | ask RP - he has both |
| 11:13.50 | lardman|work | Conics do the cover for $25 |
| 11:13.59 | lardman|work | More expensive than the battery :D |
| 11:14.05 | lardman|work | at lfl |
| 11:39.08 | RP | lardman|work: Its possible your battery is ok and the power management code is at fault. I also see the strobe effect :-/ |
| 11:39.50 | lardman|work | RP: My battery is pretty old, so I wouldn't bet on it |
| 11:40.04 | lardman|work | RP: Plus the strobe effect makes logical sense |
| 11:40.31 | RP | We probably need to damp the osciallations... |
| 11:40.55 | hrw|work | I like them ;) |
| 11:41.06 | lardman|work | Yes, I was wondering whether to make the transition thresholds asymmetrical |
| 11:41.17 | RP | We could call it a feature :) |
| 11:41.19 | lardman|work | hrw|work: It was like a mini disco last night ;) |
| 11:41.43 | lardman|work | Feature for those who aren't epileptic! |
| 11:42.10 | RP | lardman|work: Since you seem to be able to resproduce, can you tell me how much the battery voltage jumps with the backlight lowered? |
| 11:42.31 | lardman|work | RP: I can test |
| 11:42.41 | lardman|work | RP: But it'll have to be this evening |
| 11:43.10 | RP | lardman|work: no rush. It might be a while before I can patch it anyway. It'd be handy to have the data though |
| 11:44.07 | lardman|work | It was oscillating around APM_BATTERY_STATUS_LOW I presume, and that's set from the lookup table isn't it? |
| 11:44.33 | RP | lardman|work: I think so |
| 11:44.55 | lardman|work | It was about 20% anyway |
| 11:45.36 | RP | We could probably have the backlight limiter locked on until it saw AC power thinking about it |
| 11:46.16 | RP | and on AC power, it should do that but does |
| 11:46.43 | lardman|work | or just set the transition from low to high about 3% higher than the transition from high to low power - though that may require a more complex bit of code |
| 11:46.47 | hrw|work | RP: what about printk() on screenflash? |
| 11:47.34 | RP | hrw|work: How many users would see it? |
| 11:48.17 | hrw|work | RP: 'if you have screenflashes right after charged battery then send dmesg output to us' |
| 11:48.40 | hrw|work | RP: automatic gathering of debug infos |
| 11:48.44 | lardman|work | Just means your battery is screwed |
| 11:49.06 | lardman|work | Mine went from 100 to 40% in less than a minute (admittedly after a very short charge) |
| 11:49.24 | hrw|work | mine bl-06 can jump from 100 to 60 |
| 11:49.29 | hrw|work | I'll look now at it |
| 11:50.21 | lardman|work | The jump happens as the voltage relaxes after the charging, this is why Sharp had their odd table which stayed at 100% for ~1/2 the battery voltage |
| 11:50.38 | lardman|work | To hide knackered batteries |
| 11:51.12 | lardman|work | Lunch time, will bring my Zaurus in when I get back |
| 11:51.19 | poushag | transition thresholds should always be offset a bit - its SOP for controls - |
| 11:51.48 | hrw|work | my bl-06 has 88% after unplug AC and boot |
| 11:52.39 | poushag | its called deadband |
| 11:52.47 | RP | They do take a long time to charge. Just because it says its 100%, doesn't mean its fully charged... |
| 11:52.54 | RP | The charge light is a better indicator |
| 11:53.20 | poushag | and without it the climate control in your house and car would be radiply cycling on and off too |
| 11:56.58 | poushag | (as a professional controls engineer i thought my input might be of value) |
| 11:58.41 | poushag | something strange is happening to my Z - has anyone seen konqeror quit working? because on my Z i cant get it to run anymore (or if it does run then it disappears so quickly i cant even see it) |
| 11:59.18 | poushag | i tried reinstalling it but no change in symptoms |
| 12:00.07 | hrw|work | run it in opie-console |
| 12:00.52 | poushag | yeah i was going to try it in konsole - is that the same? |
| 12:01.55 | hrw|work | any terminal |
| 12:02.52 | poushag | missing libpcreposix.so.0 |
| 12:02.58 | poushag | where do i get it? |
| 12:03.17 | hrw|work | you have collie or other machine and used ipkg-link? |
| 12:03.22 | poushag | i know theres and ipkg command i can use to find out.... |
| 12:03.31 | poushag | yes |
| 12:04.06 | poushag | ipkg file libpcreposix.so.0 ? |
| 12:04.26 | hrw|work | it is in pcre package iirc |
| 12:07.20 | poushag | which feed? base? |
| 12:07.55 | hrw|work | yes |
| 12:08.10 | hrw|work | but ewi (machine with feeds) is overloaded now and does not reply to connections |
| 12:08.25 | poushag | crap |
| 12:17.50 | poushag | ewi wont even answer a ping - has the admin been notified? |
| 12:25.46 | hrw|work | yes but he is >1000 km from machine so we need to wait a bit for resetmonkey |
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| 13:37.09 | hrw|work | "I've been using OZ/GPE for about a week and a bit now. I feel that this meets more of my needs than pdaXrom does in it's current form." - I like such posts ;) |
| 13:39.10 | poushag | congrats - it is good to be appreciated |
| 13:39.34 | poushag | hrw: did you gain any more insight into the dagger issue since yesterday? |
| 13:39.34 | magnet_ | a lots of people migrated from pdaxrom to oz. |
| 13:40.04 | magnet_ | pdaxrom is often the only alternative to sharp's os, that shops offer. |
| 13:40.33 | poushag | shops? you have zaurus shops where you live? |
| 13:40.40 | magnet_ | even on the website where I bougth it, screenshots where from pdaxrom. |
| 13:40.44 | magnet_ | online shops :) |
| 13:40.56 | magnet_ | I live in france, there is no zaurus there. |
| 13:41.30 | poushag | interesting - i thought if you bought a Z you automatically got Sharp ROM |
| 13:41.53 | magnet_ | for a small fee, I could have pdaxrom pre installed. like ~25 euros. |
| 13:41.59 | poushag | i guess you found a reseller somewhere |
| 13:42.15 | magnet_ | yes. |
| 13:42.16 | pgas | In fact I only know about 1 shop where you can ask for an alternative rom |
| 13:42.36 | poushag | sorry to be such a yank - but whats that in USDollars? |
| 13:42.37 | hrw|work | poushag: no |
| 13:42.59 | hrw|work | ~change 25 eur to usd |
| 13:43.23 | poushag | thanks ibot |
| 13:43.25 | magnet_ | I see that it's free now. |
| 13:43.27 | magnet_ | http://cgi.ebay.fr/Ordinateur-portable-PDA-Sharp-Zaurus-SL-C3200_W0QQitemZ9741280813QQcategoryZ8131QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 13:43.37 | pgas | About the number of users of this or that.....I don't know if anybody has any data that are even remotely accurate |
| 13:43.38 | magnet_ | in french, but shots at the bottom show pdaxrom |
| 13:44.36 | poushag | i suppose at the package server they could log ip addresses that are downloading from it and then count them |
| 13:44.59 | poushag | (after the server is back online that is!) |
| 13:45.33 | poushag | i dont think you can just count how many times the ROM has been DLed |
| 13:45.34 | pgas | yeah, but I feel a lot of people are trying alternative roms from time to time and go back to cacko afterwards |
| 13:46.00 | poushag | i mean i just DLed a bunch of ROMs to a CF card but I'm only using OZ |
| 13:46.08 | pgas | poushag: use one of the mirror? |
| 13:47.36 | poushag | i was suggesting using the ewi package server since the real OZ users seems to connect regularly for updates/upgrades etc |
| 13:49.54 | poushag | im going to mow the yard - ttyl |
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| 14:14.08 | alan|laptop | hi all |
| 14:14.41 | Xromer|work | Hi |
| 14:20.01 | lardman|work | hi |
| 14:20.37 | lardman|work | hrw|work: Don't worry about my upgrade request on oesf, my toolchain's built so I can do it myself (plus the sources appear to have moved so I'll have to patch it) |
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| 14:28.18 | lardman|work | What's the sys directory where the battery voltage and percentage stuff is exposed? |
| 14:30.00 | NAbyss | /devices/platform/sharpsl-pm/battery_voltage |
| 14:30.02 | NAbyss | ./devices/platform/sharpsl-pm/battery_percentage |
| 14:30.11 | NAbyss | lardman|work: those dirs in sys |
| 14:30.38 | lardman|work | NAbyss: Thanks - I need to capture my dodgy battery performance so couldn't afford to take too long looking :) |
| 14:30.53 | NAbyss | lardman|work: ah, not good :) |
| 14:32.51 | lardman|work | RP: Right, I've not added printks yet, but can do, but the oscillations occur between voltages 185 and 183 which correspond to percentages 30 and 25 |
| 14:33.07 | lardman|work | NAbyss: No, but hopefully it'll be useful |
| 14:33.54 | lardman|work | hmm, those percentages seem odd... |
| 14:34.54 | lardman|work | all a bit strange, I've got (volt:%): 30:185, 23:182, 35:187 |
| 14:35.05 | lardman|work | 28:184 |
| 14:35.19 | lardman|work | 25:183 |
| 14:35.29 | lardman|work | All those percentages seem to be very close together |
| 14:36.38 | poushag | its nonlinear - probably since users find that % capacity is most useful if it correspinds to usage time left rather than voltage |
| 14:36.48 | poushag | *correponds |
| 14:40.27 | CoreDump|wm06 | hi |
| 14:41.57 | lardman|work | poushag: Ah yes, I have the lookup table in front of me in the kernel source, so can find that out |
| 14:45.12 | poushag | lardman: your deadband settings can be optimized if you know the resolution of the voltage meter being used |
| 14:46.16 | lardman|work | poushag: How does one optimise this then? |
| 14:46.22 | poushag | lardmanbasically just use a difference in percentages that correspond to twice the granularity of the sensor |
| 14:46.25 | lardman|work | Anyone understand what this means http://mxhaard.free.fr/download.html ? |
| 14:46.36 | poushag | ack - fumbled on the kb |
| 14:47.06 | poushag | lardman: just use a difference in percentages that correspond to twice the granularity of the sensor |
| 14:47.07 | lardman|work | poushag: There's an additional problem in that the backlight is switched on and off at a certain (low) voltage by the kernel, this causes the voltage to jump back up |
| 14:47.21 | hrw|work | lardman|work: it means that you need 2.6.16+ for new version |
| 14:47.38 | lardman|work | poushag: So I need to account for the difference in voltage that the backlight produces |
| 14:47.41 | hrw|work | lardman|work: v4l1 is obsolete and is going to be removed sooner or later |
| 14:47.43 | poushag | lardman: right voltage is affected by current drain |
| 14:48.08 | lardman|work | hrw|work: I couldn't see any difference between them |
| 14:48.15 | poushag | lardman: and the diff will be bigger at lower battery charge level |
| 14:48.36 | CoreDump|wm06 | poushag: for accus that shouldn't be the case |
| 14:48.50 | lardman|work | hrw|work: The 'goodbye' release is: Spca5xx-v4l1-Goodbye module version 0.60.00 date: 01/05/2006 |
| 14:49.07 | lardman|work | hrw|work: The only download I can see on that page has the same date: spca5xx-20060501.tar.gz |
| 14:49.11 | poushag | coredump: accus? |
| 14:49.16 | CoreDump|wm06 | hmm |
| 14:49.25 | lardman|work | poushag: batteries? |
| 14:49.43 | CoreDump|wm06 | rechargeable batteries |
| 14:49.59 | hrw|work | lardman|work: ask them? |
| 14:51.28 | lardman|work | hrw|work: Will do, just wanted to make sure I wasn't being stupid |
| 14:51.42 | poushag | lardman: well in any case you need to account for nonlinearities that may be present in the delta v (backlight to no backlight) at different charge levels |
| 14:52.44 | lardman|work | poushag: In this case I only need to account for the difference at one percentage/voltage threshold as that's the only time the kernel intervenes - that's the way I see it anyway |
| 14:53.05 | poushag | lardman: because the backlight is also switched off by power management |
| 14:54.04 | lardman|work | poushag: In that case, should the kernel not report the true voltage/percentage anyway? |
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| 14:54.58 | lardman|work | hrw|work: What's up with your connection? |
| 14:55.25 | poushag | lardman: well the voltage will be bumped up and down whenever the backlight is toggled (whether its due to low battery or apm) |
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| 14:56.09 | poushag | lardman: try one increment in your table then and see how it works |
| 14:56.10 | hrw|work | lardman|work: dont know it just suxx |
| 14:56.12 | lardman|work | poushag: Yes, but the userspace pm stuff only alters the backlight depending on a usage timeout, so the voltage doesn't matter |
| 14:59.01 | poushag | lardman: but doesnt each act independently so that pm will inflence the v which in turn can drive low-batt turnoff (under the right circumctances) |
| 15:00.09 | poushag | lardman: but maybe it doesnt matter - perhaps it wont result in cyclic behavior - i think i need a flowchart to make sure |
| 15:00.28 | poushag | :P |
| 15:01.20 | lardman|work | poushag: hmm, perhaps, as you say, needs a diagram |
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| 15:19.02 | poushag | lardman: my sketch seems to confirm what you said earlier - you can measure the v/% right before and right after the kernel shuts off the backlight then add in some margin for variation due to battery condition |
| 15:19.34 | Interrobang | is it possible to use the pdaXrom 1.1 beta 4 kernel (2.6), with it's video acceleration, in OZ? could I just switch the zImage files and flash it safely? |
| 15:19.53 | hrw|work | not quite |
| 15:20.03 | hrw|work | it will maybe work but no warranty |
| 15:20.11 | hrw|work | and pdaX kernel lack some fixes |
| 15:20.20 | Interrobang | ...such as? |
| 15:20.41 | Interrobang | anything big? |
| 15:20.51 | poushag | lardman: or you can just do trial and error by testing several settings i suppose (yuck) |
| 15:20.57 | hrw|work | fix-mmc-oops-on-eject |
| 15:21.02 | hrw|work | fix-kernel-logo-rotation |
| 15:21.17 | hrw|work | add-some-cards-into-some-drivers |
| 15:21.25 | hrw|work | fix-usb-power-level |
| 15:21.35 | Interrobang | i'm no kernel hacker, but i know oops are very bad, no? |
| 15:21.53 | CoreDump|wm06 | Interrobang: they are bloody anyoing |
| 15:22.30 | Interrobang | is it posible to apply the pdaX video accel patches to the OZ kernel sources and then compile a custom kernel? |
| 15:22.51 | Interrobang | will it break any OZ fixes? |
| 15:22.52 | CoreDump|wm06 | Interrobang: forget it |
| 15:23.11 | CoreDump|wm06 | the patch won't apply and you should really know what you are doing to port it to OZ |
| 15:23.21 | CoreDump|wm06 | and it's kinda large =) |
| 15:23.30 | Interrobang | how many KB? |
| 15:23.32 | XorA | w100 accels are in kernel 2.6.17 |
| 15:23.35 | CoreDump|wm06 | 50 IIRC |
| 15:24.07 | hrw|work | XorA: our 2.6.16 has them too |
| 15:24.09 | CoreDump|wm06 | XorA: which is very nice for C7x0 users =) |
| 15:24.32 | Interrobang | so wam, OZ already has video accel?? |
| 15:24.43 | XorA | Interrobang: yes for w100 in opie |
| 15:25.03 | Interrobang | but it's not listed in mplayer -vo help |
| 15:25.14 | hrw|work | install mplayer-atty |
| 15:25.27 | Interrobang | ...and that will get me w100 accel? |
| 15:25.28 | hrw|work | XorA: your latest mplayer has w100 inside? |
| 15:25.34 | XorA | hrw|work: yes |
| 15:25.42 | XorA | hrw|work: and is faster than -atty version |
| 15:26.06 | hrw|work | XorA: do you have .oz354x build to test it and push? |
| 15:26.11 | Interrobang | XorA: is it comparable to cacko's speed? |
| 15:26.34 | XorA | hrw|work: no, I have not enough diskspace for two branches |
| 15:26.42 | XorA | hrw|work: I need to do pre8 tomorrow |
| 15:27.02 | hrw|work | ok |
| 15:27.06 | XorA | Interrobang: exactly the same code as cacko mplayer |
| 15:27.37 | Interrobang | XorA: just to make sure; exactly same speed? |
| 15:28.17 | XorA | Interrobang: I used to use cacko mplayer on OZ until I put recipe in OE to compile it for OE, never saw a difference |
| 15:28.47 | Interrobang | whoa, you can just execute the cacko mplayer on OZ straight out??? |
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| 15:29.21 | Interrobang | i though it depends upon something in the kernel |
| 15:30.07 | XorA | Interrobang: no, w100 accelleration is userspace |
| 15:31.39 | XorA | Interrobang: I assume you have a c7x0 device? |
| 15:31.53 | Interrobang | XorA: yes C860..question incoming... |
| 15:32.37 | Interrobang | XorA: i wasn't able to change to 320x240 with mplayer -vo w100, but i could with mplayer -vo fbdev. i saw a huge performance leap over OZ stock mplayer using fbdev there as well. how is this difference possible? |
| 15:32.55 | Interrobang | err i couldn't with w110 COULD with fbdev |
| 15:32.58 | XorA | hrw|work: when dust has settled from sale of half of this company I may be able to spare some machine for a compile farm here, then I can help with branches more |
| 15:33.40 | XorA | Interrobang: mplayer-atty will auto switch res with -vo w100 |
| 15:33.41 | hrw|work | would be nice |
| 15:34.21 | XorA | w00 w100 patches went clean into 1.0pre8 |
| 15:34.43 | CoreDump|wm06 | XorA: nice! |
| 15:34.47 | Interrobang | XorA: what res does it automatically switch to? also, the cacko mplayer is faster isn't it? how do i switch res with that? |
| 15:35.11 | XorA | Interrobang: cacko mplayer last I checked was identical to our mplayer-atty package |
| 15:35.16 | XorA | Interrobang: its the same source code |
| 15:35.54 | Interrobang | XorA: thx for all the help, got 1 more question... i tried this in cacko yesterday but got no response... |
| 15:36.50 | Interrobang | XorA: i ran mplayer -vo fbdev -vm -fbmode QVGA in cacko, which changes to 240x320. i saw a large performance boost over a similar command with stock mplayer in OZ... |
| 15:37.06 | lardman|work | poushag: Cool, thanks |
| 15:37.06 | Interrobang | XorA: ...does cacko fbdev use some kind of eaccel? |
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| 15:37.13 | lardman|work | XorA: Your mplayer works with GPE doesn't it? |
| 15:37.30 | Interrobang | XorA: if not the mplayer prog, then maybe the kernel provides some anyway? |
| 15:37.40 | sirfred | Good evening. |
| 15:37.53 | XorA | lardman|work: with either, it uses SDL |
| 15:37.56 | poushag | lardman: yw - let me know how it goes |
| 15:38.05 | lardman|work | XorA: What's it called these days? |
| 15:38.10 | XorA | Interrobang: no idea |
| 15:38.13 | lardman|work | poushag: Will do, thanks for your advice |
| 15:38.52 | XorA | lardman|work: mplayer_1.0pre7+cvsXXXXX.bb |
| 15:39.21 | Interrobang | XorA: if i play a 320x240 (or 240x320, i have both) using mplayer -vo w100, it will automatically change to 320x240 (or 240x320)? |
| 15:39.51 | XorA | Interrobang: yes |
| 15:42.34 | Interrobang | XorA: if you're using mplayer yourself, and you have the time, could i send you a test file for you to play without -framedrop? i'd like to know if the video is still in sync at the end. |
| 15:43.00 | Interrobang | it's an anime file, perfectly safe |
| 15:43.29 | Interrobang | my Z is down from brocken pdaXrom testing |
| 15:44.22 | XorA | Interrobang: ask me tomorrow, Im almost at end of working day here |
| 15:44.48 | Interrobang | XorA: don't worry about, i should have the same installed on mine by the end of today |
| 15:46.32 | Interrobang | aarrrggh wtf!?!? http://oz.hentges.net/mirror/oz3.5.4/feed/* are all forbidden?!?! |
| 15:46.34 | XorA | ahah, compiling the right mplayer this time |
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| 15:48.46 | XorA | NOTE: package mplayer-1.0pre8: completed |
| 15:49.12 | hrw|work | Interrobang: he has limited bandwidth and do not want people to wget feeds |
| 15:49.14 | CoreDump|wm06 | Interrobang: yes they are, not for ipkg tho |
| 15:51.00 | Interrobang | any1 know the link for mplayer-atty? |
| 15:51.07 | poushag | i want to get opera - is compat-libs available? (cant fine it in OZ feeds) |
| 15:51.09 | Interrobang | well the filename and dir? |
| 15:51.59 | lardman|work | poushag: The compat libs are supposed to not work anymore |
| 15:52.29 | lardman|work | poushag: due to the move to soft-float... |
| 15:52.56 | lardman|work | Interrobang: The source, or a binary? |
| 15:54.05 | poushag | well i found that having google up front, the bookmark management, and the zoom control on opera is something i really dont want to do without |
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| 15:55.31 | Interrobang | lardman|work: binary |
| 15:56.11 | Interrobang | lardman|work: i have no kind net connection on my Z and i need the dir and package name to dl it manually |
| 15:56.22 | lardman|work | Ah, okay, I was about to suggest ipkg ;) |
| 15:56.27 | hrw|work | cu |
| 15:56.32 | lardman|work | bye hrw |
| 15:57.37 | lardman|work | Interrobang: The name should be mplayer-atty-1.1.5 with something tacked on the end |
| 15:58.18 | lardman|work | Anyone good with web interfaces and want to whip up an ipkgfind style search page for the OpenZaurus feeds? |
| 15:59.07 | XorA | lardman|work: someone did that once |
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| 15:59.55 | lardman|work | XorA: Any good? It would solve both the bandwidth issues of people downloading the entire feed, and allow people to grab individial packages |
| 16:00.16 | XorA | lardman|work: it was pretty good, Ive no idea where it went though |
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| 16:00.29 | lardman|work | shame |
| 16:00.38 | XorA | ok, 1.0pre8 is a goer |
| 16:01.01 | Interrobang | i imagine that i'm part of that problem, dl'ing the package files to sift dependecies manually |
| 16:01.02 | lardman|work | I'm still building pre7-cvs |
| 16:01.24 | XorA | lardman|work: I shall checkin tonight |
| 16:01.29 | lardman|work | The other thing the web interface ought to do, is use Packages to list the deps |
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| 16:01.37 | XorA | lardman|work: tomorrow morning actually Im out slaying dragons tonight |
| 16:01.38 | lardman|work | XorA; Cool |
| 16:01.42 | lardman|work | :) |
| 16:02.27 | XorA | time for me to run |
| 16:02.34 | lardman|work | bye |
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| 16:14.37 | lardman|work | Interrobang: Try mplayer-atty_1.1.5-r5_arm.ipk |
| 16:15.17 | lardman|work | Interrobang: Or you could just go to the feed, and look in the Packages file in each one and see whether mplayer is there... ;) |
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| 16:24.23 | lardman|work | hrw|gone: bl_0.1 .bb here: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Zaurus/bl/bl_0.1.bb |
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| 16:32.50 | odo | Did anybody succed in transferring data from a mobile to the C1000 with the 3.5.4.1-final via irda? My S55 is recognized - it is listed in the taskbar-applet als "Siemens S55". If I send a vCard (whether 2.1 or 3.0 doesn't matter) the phone tells me it was sent but in kapi it never shows up. If I try to sync from the akita I alwasy get the error that no partner was found ... |
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| 16:48.24 | CoreDump|wm06 | odo: my irda doesn't work at all on Akita |
| 16:49.40 | odo | CoreDump: hups ... akita sees my S55 if I switch irda on, enable discovery and recieve at the akita-side an the irda-datatrasfer at the S55-side |
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| 16:53.02 | CoreDump|wm06 | doh indeed |
| 17:01.10 | CoreDump|wm06 | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.8471.png <- recieved via IRDA |
| 17:18.41 | lardman|work | night all |
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| 18:02.04 | poushag | opera-mini looks sweet - any way i can get a recent jvm on my collie? |
| 18:19.39 | poushag | actually i like how it reformats webpages from a proxy server |
| 18:20.42 | poushag | the user input methods are not really ideal for pdas (but are optimized for mobile phone keypad) |
| 18:21.38 | poushag | but i see opera 8.5 has sdks for QT/e and Qtopia |
| 18:22.12 | poushag | nad if it could be configured to use the proxy server that opera-mini uses - wow! |
| 18:22.19 | poushag | *and |
| 18:42.13 | poushag | http://www.opera.com/products/devices/technology/sdk/qtopia/specs/ |
| 18:42.28 | poushag | is anyone else interested in this besides me? |
| 18:43.16 | poushag | is OZ 3.5.4.x compatible with these requirements? |
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| 18:52.36 | Interrobang | isn't opera free for dl now? |
| 18:52.41 | Interrobang | just try it out |
| 18:52.52 | Interrobang | that got a zaurus edition on the website |
| 18:54.27 | Interrobang | hm, no dl on the website. it's included in cacko though, try just copying it over to OZ OPIE |
| 18:54.57 | Interrobang | i think it has ssr built in |
| 18:55.46 | Interrobang | you should also look into minimo (mini mozilla), it has ssr as well |
| 19:00.23 | Interrobang | also, you should consider using Xvnc and fbvnc to load a browser in 480x640 then scale it to 240x320. although i'm sure opera accomplishes something with its proxy, i think it's conceptually impossible to accomplish much. |
| 19:01.25 | Interrobang | taking websites design for 800x600 minimum, 1024x768+ typically, and scaling it down to 240x320 and below isn't work it really |
| 19:02.19 | Interrobang | i spent a long time trying to squeeze everything onto my collie, but 240x320 create limitations you can't overcome without tiny, hard to read fonts. |
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| 19:04.09 | Interrobang | poushag: you got 3 options: get used to scrolling around, use vnc to scale 480x640 down, or get a clamshell/6000 |
| 19:13.17 | raduga | sub-pixel rendering? |
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| 19:14.08 | raduga | interesting, though. |
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| 19:14.37 | raduga | has anyone seriously tried subpixel rendering with qvga screens, to get higher resolutions? |
| 19:14.58 | raduga | I'm not sure it would help... much... at all |
| 19:15.17 | raduga | but might be able to squeese a little more definition out of a collie screen |
| 19:17.56 | Interrobang | raduga: nope, the problem isn't the rendering method, it's the limited number of pixel to which to display the information. in fact, the blurring that would result would make text harder to read, not easier. |
| 19:19.00 | Interrobang | i tried using Xvnc and fbvnc together and even rewriting the scaling code, it actually gets worse the more accurate you make it |
| 19:19.54 | Interrobang | sometimes text is rendered on odd pixels, so that when you scale it down by 2, 1 pixel of text at the higher resoultion, gets distributed with half its intensity across 2 at the lower resolution |
| 19:22.18 | Interrobang | kuickshow (KDE pic viewer), at least on my comp (Arch Linux), exhibits the same problem with scaling down images |
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| 19:23.10 | Interrobang | if you want to experiment with 640x480 resolution then scale it down by 50% then you'll see what i mean |
| 19:24.12 | Interrobang | other scaling techniques have their faults, but may better handle certain color features |
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| 19:26.49 | Interrobang | there's 4 pixels in a vga screen for every 1 in a qvga screen. you're going to lose 75% of the information guranteed. unless the information is spread across enough pixels (large font, pointless though), you won't have enough to use |
| 19:37.51 | raduga | interrobang: at least in theory, subpixel rendering should give you a *little* more resolution, in one direction (depending on how the RGB is laid out) |
| 19:38.29 | raduga | in that, one standard pixel is actually three R,G,B in close proximity |
| 19:38.56 | raduga | so, if you illuminate the R/G/B selectively, you get theoretically, 3x the resolution |
| 19:39.07 | raduga | in practice it... tends not to work so good :) |
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| 19:40.18 | lardman | evening |
| 19:40.55 | hobbs | raduga: and I think the Z's subpixels are in the wrong direction to be truly useful. Vertical isn't as good as horizontal. |
| 19:41.54 | lardman | hrw: If we could provide kopi/kapi/whatever it's called for both Opie & GPE we'd be onto a winner |
| 19:42.21 | Interrobang | that would depend upon specific color features. if the background or the text is the wrong color, subpixel rendering may make things worse |
| 19:42.50 | lardman | Interrobang: Find mplayer? |
| 19:43.01 | Interrobang | lardman: nope, not the right name |
| 19:43.33 | lardman | Interrobang: Go to each feed directory and append /Packages - then search these text files for the correct name |
| 19:43.33 | Interrobang | i can't get the package lists since they're been disable for nwo |
| 19:43.38 | hrw | lardman: I know - will probably work on it soon |
| 19:43.55 | lardman | hrw: Was just a thought after a quick read of oesf |
| 19:45.02 | lardman | hrw: I also think a pot of OO, if someone can be bothered, just to show it's possible (despite the mine's bigger than yours comments ;) |
| 19:45.15 | lardman | s/pot/port |
| 19:45.17 | hrw | lardman: koen tried to build OO.org |
| 19:45.41 | lardman | not successful? |
| 19:45.48 | hrw | it was ~92M of patches to apply and he decided to drop it when it took several hours and not finished |
| 19:46.52 | lardman | hmm |
| 19:47.07 | lardman | we need someone how really wants it, and who can do the work |
| 19:47.35 | lardman | OT, have you included bl in your gpe images? It's not in .dev |
| 19:47.44 | hrw | it is in .oz354x |
| 19:48.50 | lardman | Cool |
| 19:49.12 | lardman | This split between people adding to different branches is troublesome (at least for me) |
| 19:49.56 | hrw | I'm concentrated on .oz354x |
| 19:50.13 | hrw | I do not remember when last time I used .dev to build image |
| 19:51.02 | lardman | I'm more of a dev man, but it's a shame that stuff isn't propogated more frequently/reliably |
| 19:52.04 | hrw | bl in .dev need to be discussed with gpe people probably |
| 19:52.11 | Interrobang | lardman: i checked base x11 and opie directories, but i can't get gpe/Packages. do you have the packages lists on your Z? could you grep atty the lists? |
| 19:53.27 | lardman | hrw: Yes, but I think they'd be happy to have something which is more inclusive than the current offering |
| 19:54.13 | lardman | Interrobang: No, I'm on a fresh flah I'm afraid, but if you ask hrw nicely, he might tell you which feed to look in |
| 19:54.15 | hrw | re |
| 19:54.36 | hrw | there is no 'gpe' feed in OZ 3.5.4x |
| 19:54.44 | hrw | gpe stuff is in 'x11' |
| 19:55.31 | Interrobang | hrw: do you know which feed in which to find mplayer-atty? |
| 19:55.45 | lardman | hrw: I don't really understand the branching structure we use - I thought that there should be a stable branch into which most stuff goes eventually |
| 19:55.55 | hrw | machine/c7x0/ or upgrades/machine/c7x0/ |
| 19:56.06 | lardman | hrw: and dev for bleeding edge, and individual branches for releases |
| 19:57.09 | lardman | hrw: But I suppose that would require more people/time to sort out |
| 19:57.44 | lardman | ~lart using dialup |
| 19:57.57 | lardman | ibot: Not harsh enough |
| 19:59.53 | lardman | I just came online to try to download my latest build, but it looks like it's going to take hours, so I'll call it quits |
| 19:59.56 | lardman | night all |
| 20:01.01 | Interrobang | hrw: i tried machine/c7x0/Packages where it wasn't listed, and upgrades/machine/c7x0/Packages which didn't exist. the ewi.utwente mirror is down and PDAi is always forbidden (wtf?) |
| 20:01.24 | Interrobang | why is the PDAi mirror always off limits?!!? |
| 20:03.11 | Interrobang | is any1 able to access the PDAi OZ mirror?? |
| 20:05.11 | hrw | lardman: .oz354x is branch used for OZ 3.5.4x and I want to have it stable |
| 20:05.53 | poushag | interrobang: have you tried the opera-mini simulator? |
| 20:06.22 | Interrobang | lol |
| 20:08.10 | poushag | http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/operamini/demo.dml |
| 20:08.38 | poushag | makes most websites very usable (just scrolling up and down with cursor keys) |
| 20:09.50 | Interrobang | poushag: i was talking about on my desktop, but thx for the idea. |
| 20:10.07 | Interrobang | i tried google en->en translation as a proxy |
| 20:10.18 | Interrobang | still can't get ewi or pdai mirrors |
| 20:10.58 | hrw | ewi is out until resetmonkey reboot it |
| 20:14.44 | poushag | interrobang: i was going to open a private chat with you about opera - but when it tried it didnt work |
| 20:17.26 | Interrobang | what client are you using? |
| 20:17.54 | poushag | chatzilla |
| 20:18.35 | Interrobang | were you trying to do dcc or just a private message dialog? |
| 20:18.54 | poushag | i can pm myself but not you |
| 20:19.25 | Interrobang | are you ure you typed my name right? |
| 20:19.25 | poushag | i read your pm |
| 20:19.41 | Interrobang | i can pm myself |
| 20:20.00 | Interrobang | that does go through the server i believe |
| 20:20.10 | hobbs | poushag isn't identified |
| 20:20.11 | poushag | but when i pm to you i get a msg "Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register!" |
| 20:20.19 | Interrobang | oh |
| 20:20.27 | Interrobang | you know how to register you nick? |
| 20:20.36 | poushag | hmmm - i thought i did register it |
| 20:20.51 | hobbs | poushag: you did, looks like. You're just not identified. |
| 20:21.23 | Interrobang | hobbs: you can use a registered nick even if you don't enter the password? |
| 20:21.35 | hobbs | Interrobang: yes, freenode doesn't do automatic booting |
| 20:21.51 | poushag | weird |
| 20:21.52 | Interrobang | ...very disturbing... |
| 20:21.59 | poushag | i wasnt prompted for a pw |
| 20:22.30 | Interrobang | /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password> |
| 20:22.56 | hobbs | look into the SECURE and KILL options |
| 20:23.05 | hobbs | if you set them both at the same time it will act like most networks |
| 20:23.46 | *** join/#openzaurus _law_|iBook (n=_law_|iB@213.173.86.202) |
| 20:24.57 | poushag | im going to logout and back in to try the new config (with authentication) |
| 20:26.08 | *** join/#openzaurus poushag (n=poushag@ip24-254-136-100.rn.hr.cox.net) |
| 20:41.44 | *** join/#openzaurus redguy (n=mati@adf5.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 20:53.45 | *** join/#openzaurus darkschneider (n=gab@213-140-6-96.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 21:15.08 | hrw | 3A |
| 22:29.50 | *** join/#openzaurus JoeSchmo_ (n=jciccone@pool-71-125-88-25.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:42.11 | *** join/#openzaurus marcan (i=1337@68.Red-88-5-78.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 23:54.10 | Interrobang | any1 have any idea when ewi zaurus mirror will be back up? |
