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| 05:42.51 | Interrobang | can some1 help me ahold of mplayer-atty? 2 out 3 mirrors are down, the 1 still up doesn't list mplayer-atty's filename in any package list, now i'm trying OE to build the package but it needs source code of 1 of the down mirrors!!! |
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| 05:53.17 | zedkatuf | hi all, 3.5.4.x is installed to 3200 HDD - what does the flash get used for (if anything)? |
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| 06:00.29 | pgas | zedkatuf: I think it is not used for anything |
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| 06:12.20 | Interrobang | i think there's a minimal altboot installation on the flash |
| 06:12.35 | Interrobang | i don't think even the 3200 boots directly off the hd |
| 06:13.12 | Interrobang | it'd be nice to install a normal rom on the flash then set altboot to the hdd, so you have a backup |
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| 06:25.48 | pgas | I'm pretty sure only the kernel is on the flash for the 3x000 with Oz |
| 06:42.30 | zedkatuf | pgas: ok, tnkx for the info |
| 06:43.11 | zedkatuf | Interrobang: yes, that sounds like an interesting idea! |
| 06:43.41 | zedkatuf | I'm wondering why the flash isn't being used as teh installation medium, as it's obviously a lot faster than the MD..... |
| 06:43.50 | zedkatuf | the/the |
| 06:43.56 | zedkatuf | teh/te |
| 06:43.58 | zedkatuf | :) |
| 06:44.35 | pgas | apparently it's not that obvious that the flash is a lot faster |
| 06:45.01 | pgas | and having a big / partition has a lot of advantages |
| 06:45.35 | pgas | like not having to link every package you install on your MD |
| 06:45.57 | zedkatuf | ahhh, yes, not having to link is a BIG plus, that's v. true! |
| 06:46.30 | zedkatuf | Is the 3200 MD the Hitachi one...? If so, then I guess it's probably quite fast.... |
| 06:46.46 | pgas | i think it is an hitachi yes |
| 06:47.32 | pgas | another long term plus might be that it's easier to replace the hd in case of hw problem than the flash |
| 06:47.35 | zedkatuf | What about swap: how about putting the swap in the flash (I know generally this has been advised against in the past as it might wear it out quickly) |
| 06:47.56 | zedkatuf | yes, I like that idea wrt replacements |
| 06:52.34 | zedkatuf | Is anyone using a swap partition on their 3x00 I wonder....? |
| 08:19.35 | _law_ | XorA, mplayer-atty is better for c760 or should i use mplayer1.0pre8 ? |
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| 08:20.04 | XorA | _law_: pre8 |
| 08:20.23 | XorA | _law_: -atty is RREPLACED/RCONFLICTED/OBSOLETED |
| 08:20.37 | _law_ | XorA, ok thanks |
| 08:21.46 | XorA | pre8 pulled in -atty arm optimisations, but has better ffmpeg optims |
| 08:21.59 | XorA | so I just ported the driver to the newer code |
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| 08:28.20 | hrw|work | XorA: w100 stuff is machine related addon or target addon? |
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| 08:41.09 | XorA | hrw|work: EXTRA_OECONF_append_c7x0 = " --enable-w100 " |
| 08:46.00 | hrw|work | XorA: how bigger it is wehn w100 is enabled? |
| 08:46.24 | hrw|work | XorA: I would prefer to have one version in OZ instead of 'normal' + 'c7x0' one |
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| 08:47.02 | XorA | hrw|work: the problem is when the winers moan about having to have libaticore |
| 08:47.21 | XorA | hrw|work: I have no figures for how big it is without w100 |
| 08:50.10 | hrw|work | ok - i'll look |
| 08:55.21 | XorA | hrw|work: if you want all Z's to have same mplayer, Ill change main recipe to always do w100, the fam guys can do what they like, Ive not seen them around recently anyway |
| 08:55.33 | XorA | make it _arm override? |
| 08:56.14 | hrw|work | XorA: first I will build it for w100 and without to check deps |
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| 09:40.57 | lardman | morning |
| 09:41.29 | lardman | Anyone familiar with xtscal? |
| 09:41.58 | lardman | In my .dev image from yesterday, it segfaults, so I've no calibration - I was wondering whether I could create the calibration by hand... |
| 09:42.09 | lardman | using guess work, so I can do some testing of the rest of the system |
| 09:48.22 | hrw|work | install tslib-tests and the ts_calibrate |
| 09:50.24 | lardman | hrw|work: They calibrate using the fb? |
| 09:54.08 | hrw|work | ts_calibrate use fb |
| 09:54.50 | lardman | lol: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=20021&view=findpost&p=132251 |
| 09:54.59 | lardman | specifically point 3 |
| 09:57.38 | hrw|work | yep |
| 10:00.26 | lardman | thanks hrw, gotta go - dialup during the day is expensive |
| 10:02.34 | XorA | I dont understand point 3 |
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| 12:14.09 | hrw|work | hi Xromer|work |
| 12:14.44 | Xromer|work | hi hrw |
| 12:14.55 | Xromer|work | I have problems with the feed |
| 12:15.43 | Xromer|work | where are readline, pcre and libstdc? |
| 12:15.59 | Xromer|work | I can' t reach the 3.5.4.1 server |
| 12:16.00 | hrw|work | base |
| 12:17.08 | Xromer|work | in base 3.5.4.1 or 3.5.4? |
| 12:17.21 | hrw|work | 3.5.4 |
| 12:17.27 | hrw|work | 3.5.4.1 feeds are not yet built |
| 12:17.33 | hrw|work | and 3.5.4.1 can use 3.5.4 feeds |
| 12:17.54 | Xromer|work | Yes you told me, but there aren' t in 3.5.4 |
| 12:18.01 | hrw|work | they are |
| 12:18.11 | Xromer|work | I downloaded all the feeds i can' t find |
| 12:19.21 | hrw|work | libreadline*, libcpre*, libstdc++* |
| 12:19.24 | hrw|work | all in base |
| 12:22.45 | Xromer|work | Hrw|work: it seems i missed something when i downloaded the files, but now servers are unreachable |
| 12:24.50 | hrw|afk | afk |
| 12:25.32 | Xromer|work | K |
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| 12:45.08 | hrw|work | re |
| 12:53.19 | DataBeaver | Is linux-openzaurus-2.6.17 the correct package for building the kernel? |
| 12:53.34 | hrw|work | in .dev yes |
| 12:54.20 | DataBeaver | k |
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| 13:31.08 | Interrobang | i saw some internal pics of a Z 750 and there was an open socket for an internal coin-style battery. can you add your own for ramdisk retention? |
| 13:31.33 | hrw|work | only collie use mtdram |
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| 14:32.48 | poushag | zedkatuf: i saw earlier that you were speaking about using a hd pm the zaurus - i will tell you something about that with lots of experience servicing computers with bad hard drives - dont do it! - the hard drive is the least reliable part of a pc because it has moving parts, 2nd is the optical drive for the same reason - silicon does not wear out ever - it can only be damaged by overheating and |
| 14:32.50 | poushag | since the Z has no fans to go bad and cause overheating the Z will last a loooonnng time - with the screen being the weakest link |
| 14:35.04 | NAbyss_ | poushag: Hmm, I thought silicon does wear out.. |
| 14:35.11 | poushag | zedkatuf: 'pm' was supposed to be 'on' |
| 14:36.34 | poushag | nabyss: all my reading about dead Zs have been folks with broken screens - you? |
| 14:39.11 | XorA | NAbyss_: the keybaord and on off switch will be long dead on the Z before the silicon is in majority of cases |
| 14:40.28 | poushag | and i have ms in elec engineering btw - studied semiconductors in depth and what i stated is fact based on physics of transistors and ICs |
| 14:45.49 | poushag | xora is also right about the kb and power switch being susceptible - i think the failure mode on those is that when the spring collapses they fail closed - but the screen still seems the weakest link to me |
| 14:46.39 | NAbyss_ | poushag, XorA: I wasn't thikning about Zs in particular.. but, yeah, I can see physical stuff wearing out well before the silicon. |
| 14:46.48 | poushag | i got my collie when they came out in 2002 |
| 14:47.20 | hrw|work | I bought my collie as refurbished |
| 14:47.46 | XorA | I got my collie when they were for sale on high street |
| 14:47.53 | XorA | got my C860 in Japan |
| 14:48.02 | XorA | must be two years ago now |
| 14:49.15 | poushag | i also want to have opie and gpe together - on the same sd for my collie - (i realize that i could only use one at a time) |
| 14:49.29 | poushag | but im not sure how much space i should have on sd to accomplish this |
| 14:50.02 | poushag | is 96mb enough? (with half to each) or should i go with 224mb? (again half to each) --- i am saving 32mb for a fat partition btw so i can make backups to fat and then move them off onto pc or mac - but maybe thats too small - how much space would an image backup take compared to the directory size? |
| 14:50.05 | hrw|work | even 32M is enough |
| 14:50.31 | hrw|work | opie-image is 14M, gpe-image is 14M - both share common part |
| 14:50.48 | hrw|work | my collie has 64M sd card as rootfs |
| 14:51.56 | poushag | i think sword must be taking a lot of space then - cause my current sd space for opie is almost 57mb |
| 14:52.43 | poushag | and my flash is almost full at 13200 |
| 14:57.28 | poushag | anybody have a url handy i can use to find out how big the various packages are when installed? |
| 14:57.59 | poushag | or is it best to use the Z package manager? |
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| 15:04.12 | poushag | aqpkg says sword is 1.1mb - so i ahve no clue how i got to 57 - the only other thigns i put on here were dosfstools, vim, tar and maybe mindbreaker and wordgame (cant remember if the last 2 were already there or not) |
| 15:04.18 | poushag | *have |
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| 15:06.42 | poushag | so the most i could have added would have been around 2.5mb - are the file sizes denoting size as installed or size as packed into the ipk file? |
| 15:11.47 | poushag | hrw: is the size ratio 1 to 1 then for the cardfs binary images to the actual directory size on sd? |
| 15:14.15 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 15:15.58 | hrw|work | dont know |
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| 15:20.03 | CoreDump|home | polyonymous_: no, he cardfs.bin is gzipped |
| 15:22.55 | poushag | ok so me having 50 or 60mb on sd for a cardfs install of opie is probably par for the course |
| 15:23.26 | CoreDump|home | yep |
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| 15:32.34 | Laibsch | Can I move from a 56-8 image to a 64-0 one without loosing everything? |
| 15:32.54 | Laibsch | Or if I do, is the backup tool up to the task of really saving *everything* |
| 15:35.13 | hrw|work | you can |
| 15:35.24 | hrw|work | you will just lose /media/ram content |
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| 15:43.27 | poushag | does anyone know how to select and paste text into the konsole? |
| 15:45.04 | zedkatuf | there is a cope/paste sub-applet which should be able to help with this. |
| 15:45.21 | zedkatuf | Also, some versions of the opie-console have a paste icon you can do the pasting with |
| 15:55.30 | poushag | do i need to install a package? theres no icon in konsole btw |
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| 16:09.33 | poushag | i am getting really frustrated with the package server being down |
| 16:11.13 | poushag | when it comes back up i may try to keep local copies of the apps i like |
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| 17:51.02 | scorn | I got an sl-5600, when I bring up the usbnet stuff all appears well, I'm able to ssh into the zaurus, but if I do something that appears to generate a lot of traffic across the "network" the zaurus appears to run into problems. I see a lot of "NETDEV WATCHDOG: usbd0: transmit timed out" messages and on my pc side, the ssh session appears to just hang. I can immediately reconnect by starting another session, but it will just happen again. |
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| 18:25.53 | zedkatuf | Poushag: Re " i am getting really frustrated with the package server being down" - yes, that is frustrating, but hopefully it's a short drive for someone to reboot a box (please let it be no more htan that!!) |
| 18:28.30 | hobbs | zedkatuf: apparently it's about a week's drive ;) |
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| 18:47.25 | Xromer | hi |
| 18:47.55 | zedkatuf | hobbs: are you joking?!!! |
| 18:48.12 | hobbs | zedkatuf: mostly. I just mean it's been down for a while ;) |
| 18:48.20 | zedkatuf | LOL :) |
| 18:49.15 | Xromer | Guys the Feed server are unreachable |
| 18:49.47 | hobbs | Xromer: amazing! tell us more news of the outside world. |
| 18:51.05 | Xromer | ? |
| 18:51.33 | zedkatuf | Xromer: you logged in just after hobbs & I had been lamenting the same thing :) |
| 18:51.43 | Xromer | HIHIHI |
| 18:51.46 | Xromer | :-) |
| 18:52.11 | Xromer | I downloaded all the feeds |
| 18:52.19 | Xromer | But seems i missed something |
| 18:54.10 | Xromer | like libreadline, libpcre my base feed arrives tolibcgcc |
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| 19:18.01 | Xromer | hi hrw |
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| 19:21.58 | lindenle | Will an Adata 4GB SD card work with OZ? |
| 19:22.24 | lindenle | Also where can I get the 3.5.4-1 releas of OZ the web site seems to be down. |
| 19:22.25 | hrw | lindenle: under 2.6 it should |
| 19:22.34 | hrw | lindenle: wait for it to be up |
| 19:22.49 | lindenle | hrw: does the latest OZ have 2.6? |
| 19:22.59 | hrw | for clamshells |
| 19:23.04 | lindenle | hrw: I am switching to OZ for c860 |
| 19:23.22 | hrw | so it should work |
| 19:23.26 | lindenle | k thx |
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| 20:27.27 | Flikker | I'm trying to download 3.4.5.1 for my c3100 but it keeps timing out the server (http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/3.5.4.1-test/rc4/) that is linked from www.openzaurus.org... Any alternate source? |
| 20:27.45 | hobbs | Flikker: all down at the moment, as far as anyone knows |
| 20:27.53 | lindenle | Can I get a working set of feeds for 3.5.4 from someone? |
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| 20:28.29 | Flikker | Shucks... any known (announced, guessed, etc) uptime? (We broke the hard drive and the replacement is due Monday...) or something... |
| 20:30.18 | hobbs | hentges is up and has stable releases but not 3.5.4.1-xxx |
| 20:32.05 | lindenle | hentges feeds are not working for me in 3.5.4 |
| 20:32.40 | hobbs | oh. Yeah, some 403s. What's with that? |
| 20:32.45 | lindenle | ?? |
| 20:33.01 | lindenle | Also is there a way to change the keymap, and add a map for the menu button |
| 20:33.03 | hobbs | actually no, that's alright. Just a bit dumb. |
| 20:33.15 | hobbs | hentges for 3.5.4 looks okay but I'm not actually testing it with ipkg |
| 20:33.39 | lindenle | so what should my ipkg.conf have in it? |
| 20:33.59 | lindenle | src base http://oz.hentges.net/mirror/oz3.5.4/feed/base/ |
| 20:34.13 | hobbs | looks good |
| 20:35.40 | lindenle | seems to just sit there |
| 20:36.45 | lindenle | oh wait I think i see...just a second |
| 20:37.41 | lindenle | which of those feeds do I need |
| 20:38.04 | lindenle | and why does it keep trying this ewi546 thing even though it is not listed in ipkg.conf? |
| 20:38.22 | hobbs | lindenle: probably because you have /etc/ipkg/* that it reads instead :) |
| 20:38.28 | hobbs | lindenle: are you running GPE? |
| 20:38.34 | lindenle | yep, thanks |
| 20:39.41 | hobbs | anyway, you need base, gpe, machine/something. Just use what's already in those files now that you know they're there ;) |
| 20:43.42 | magnet | is there any problems with wi546.ewi.utwente.nl ? |
| 20:43.57 | hobbs | yes |
| 20:47.54 | lindenle | hobbs: thx that worked fine, I was being kind of dumb. |
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| 20:48.05 | hobbs | it happens :) |
| 20:48.09 | lindenle | hobbs: So I cannot change the key mappings or add new ones? |
| 20:48.18 | hobbs | lindenle: I'm sure you can |
| 20:48.23 | hobbs | lindenle: just don't ask me how ;) |
| 20:48.26 | lindenle | ok |
| 20:48.49 | lindenle | How do I map the Menu key to open the "Start" bar on the panel? |
| 20:53.42 | lindenle | How do I install software in a different place, i.e. if my root file system is full? |
| 20:54.08 | lindenle | Like on the SD card. |
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| 21:03.31 | lindenle | Ok just needed to add the path to ld.co.conf, that fixed my problem... |
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| 21:15.17 | sirfred | Hello |
| 21:15.34 | kryme | I'm using OpenZaurus 3.5.4 with GPE on a SL-5500. Every time it comes out of suspend the date and time are reset. Does anyone know why this is? |
| 21:15.42 | kryme | Hey there, sirfred. |
| 21:15.50 | sirfred | Is ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl running? |
| 21:16.09 | magnet | sirfred: nop. |
| 21:16.23 | sirfred | magnet: Any other repository for 3.5.4.1? |
| 21:16.31 | magnet | I'm looking for one too. |
| 21:17.37 | sirfred | It seems hrw is gone |
| 21:18.24 | sirfred | I've been looking for a while about deadkeys support in openzaurus. |
| 21:18.28 | sirfred | Are they supported? |
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| 21:46.17 | lindenle | How do I make a directory on my SD card that my user can write to? |
| 22:00.24 | lindenle | Can someone please tell me how to do this so I can pt MP3's on my zaurus. |
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| 22:28.14 | DataBeaver | ooh, nice boot logo. |
| 22:28.28 | DataBeaver | lindenle: You can use the uid=xxx mount option |
| 22:28.41 | DataBeaver | That will make everything on the card owned by the specified user |
| 22:29.13 | DataBeaver | Another option is to reformat the card with ext3 so you get normal file ownership |
| 22:47.51 | DataBeaver | Any idea why I get DMA bus errors on the Z while trying to use it as USB storage? |
| 22:48.23 | DataBeaver | I've specified /dev/hda3 as the file for g-file-storage |
| 22:52.48 | DataBeaver | If I specify use_dma=0 for pxa27x-udc, I get "g_file_storage gadget: error in submission: ep0 --> -51" in dmesg |
| 22:52.58 | DataBeaver | My Z is SL-C3100 |
| 22:54.21 | DataBeaver | Kernel 2.6.17 on the Z and 2.6.17-rc5 on the host |
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