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| 00:59.25 | poushag | anybody developing for openZ online? |
| 01:00.13 | poushag | i am about to set up a dev env (inside an emulator) for OZ - which linux distro is going to get me started quickest with the least headaches? |
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| 02:22.29 | Flikker | can anyone recommend a good image viewer for the c3100? (running OZ Opie 3.5.4.1) |
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| 06:50.14 | Tomoe | hrw: hy |
| 06:50.33 | hrw | ho |
| 06:50.52 | hrw | another images rebuilt comes |
| 06:51.50 | Tomoe | was just going to ask |
| 06:51.56 | Tomoe | gonna be online soon? |
| 06:52.56 | hrw | when rebuild |
| 06:53.22 | zwelch | hello |
| 06:53.56 | zwelch | i just received a SL-6000 for the purpose of porting a soft phone to it |
| 06:54.18 | hrw | zwelch: its wifi suxx - isn't it? |
| 06:54.42 | zwelch | i'm presently taking a whack at building the opie-image target, with openzaurus-unstable in my build.local |
| 06:55.08 | zwelch | it always seems to be different, every time i use it :) |
| 06:55.17 | zwelch | and that is a compliment, not a complaint ;) |
| 06:56.04 | hrw | I would rather use .oz354x branch which just builds |
| 06:56.08 | zwelch | i haven't had a chance to try the wifi on it yet, but i will be |
| 06:56.31 | zwelch | that's good to know :) |
| 06:57.01 | hrw | we are going to move to 2.6 on tosa soon |
| 06:58.10 | zwelch | oh, is that to say that i shouldn't have selected 2.6 as my kernel? |
| 06:58.40 | hrw | 2.4 stinks on Zaurus |
| 06:58.41 | zwelch | incidentally, i have done ARM kernel hacking, and i'd love to contribute to support of tosa as i can |
| 06:58.55 | zwelch | i think i'm still listed for arm linux machine #28 |
| 06:59.01 | hrw | join #oe then and contact do13 (Tosa kernel maintainer) |
| 06:59.17 | Tomoe | hrw: what would be needed to get sharprom input methods work on opie? |
| 06:59.28 | hrw | Tomoe: source of them |
| 07:00.08 | zwelch | heh, speaking of "missing sources"... do you know where i can find code to interface with the CF camera module? :) |
| 07:00.28 | zwelch | that's part of my current mandate |
| 07:00.41 | hrw | zwelch: module is binary only |
| 07:00.43 | Tomoe | *to work |
| 07:00.46 | Tomoe | hrw: ok |
| 07:01.04 | hrw | zwelch: so if you want to test/use it you need 2.4 kernel and opie-camera |
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| 07:01.47 | zwelch | hrw: has anyone tried to get the specs to write an open driver? |
| 07:02.09 | hrw | zwelch: iirc yes |
| 07:02.26 | hrw | zwelch: from what I heard that card quality is .... so no bother |
| 07:02.43 | zwelch | well, if it's that bad, they shouldn't have a problem releas |
| 07:02.47 | zwelch | ..ing the spec, right? |
| 07:02.56 | zwelch | hehe |
| 07:02.59 | hrw | its sharp - they do not release... |
| 07:03.43 | zwelch | well, i wonder if they will permit a closed 2.6 driver |
| 07:04.41 | zwelch | anyway, it's a problem i'm going to try to get resolved |
| 07:06.09 | zwelch | as you said, 2.4 is not really a usable option |
| 07:10.50 | Tomoe | gonna ask on the tokyo alt.2600 meeting tomorrow if someone knows someone who works at sharp |
| 07:11.04 | Tomoe | man Id really like to have sharp's ime on opie |
| 07:12.01 | hrw | sharp or japanese? |
| 07:13.34 | Tomoe | japanese of course |
| 07:13.50 | Tomoe | but sharp's is the best ive seen so far for zaurus |
| 07:14.57 | hrw | after 3.5.4.1 release I would look how it is progressing in .dev and provide upgrades |
| 07:15.18 | hrw | some people started work on getting japanese IM working under opie and gpe |
| 07:15.47 | hrw | it need updated qt/e and some packages extra so I decided to work on it after release |
| 07:19.09 | Tomoe | hrw: yeah, I've checked openzaurus-ja japanese sourceforge project |
| 07:19.19 | Tomoe | they have japanese input working under both opie and gpe |
| 07:19.28 | hrw | parts of their work is in .dev tree of OE already |
| 07:19.45 | Tomoe | however its rather rudimentary, anthy/scim/uim for gpe |
| 07:19.54 | Tomoe | and um |
| 07:20.23 | Tomoe | somethng else for opie, even more rudimentary |
| 07:20.34 | Tomoe | nothing that utilizes touchscreen and handwriting recognition |
| 07:20.53 | Tomoe | I guess it'd be possible to integrate kanjipad on gpe tho |
| 07:21.04 | hrw | good handwriting algorithms are rare to be open |
| 07:21.31 | Tomoe | yeah |
| 07:21.43 | Tomoe | kanjipad's decent enough for kanjis |
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| 08:39.30 | hrw|work | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/3.5.4.1-test/final/fixed2/ |
| 08:39.44 | hrw|work | another rebuild which has to be finally final |
| 08:45.28 | Tomoe | are you sure? |
| 08:45.29 | Tomoe | =) |
| 08:47.05 | hrw|work | ;D |
| 08:47.11 | hrw|work | opie on c7x0 works now |
| 08:47.26 | hrw|work | base-files rebuilt so it does not show 3.5.4.1-rc4 anymore |
| 08:47.35 | hrw|work | dropbear installed in images |
| 08:54.02 | Tomoe | ok gonna check it out |
| 09:01.42 | Tomoe | updating |
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| 09:21.43 | Tomoe | hrw|work: lotsa error messages |
| 09:22.02 | Tomoe | lol |
| 09:22.09 | Tomoe | startx: not found |
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| 09:27.25 | Tomoe | whoops sorry my fault |
| 09:33.37 | Tomoe | hehe nice splashscreen |
| 09:48.19 | Tomoe | flashing gpe now |
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| 10:15.48 | zedkatuf|desktop | CoreDump|afk & hrw|work: hentges 3.5.4.1 feed seems to exist: |
| 10:15.50 | zedkatuf|desktop | http://mirror.hentges.net/www.openzaurus.org/3.5.4.1/feed/ |
| 10:16.02 | zedkatuf|desktop | ..but is it currently unpopulated, mebbe? |
| 10:20.19 | XorA | zedkatuf|desktop: it looks populated from here |
| 10:22.00 | hrw|work | zedkatuf|desktop: its 99% copy of 3.5.4.1 feed |
| 10:22.32 | hrw|work | but that remind me that I have to update it |
| 10:22.46 | hrw|work | updated |
| 10:35.39 | XorA | someone is using my name in pdaXrom forums :-) |
| 10:39.54 | zedkatuf|desktop | XorA: is there a non-nasty way to wget without annoying webmasters..ie a slow wget -r or something...? Having my own snapshot of the feed is v useful |
| 10:40.33 | XorA | zedkatuf|desktop: become a mirror |
| 10:41.02 | Tomoe | hehe |
| 10:41.26 | zedkatuf|desktop | lol |
| 10:42.36 | XorA | but I dont actually know the answer to that question as I generate my own feeds here |
| 10:43.49 | hrw|work | its easy to be a mirror - mail CoreDump |
| 10:44.03 | hrw|work | he is OZ mirroring maintainer |
| 10:45.25 | zedkatuf|desktop | (I hav e casble modem, but took my webserver offline after it got hacked) |
| 10:45.33 | zedkatuf|desktop | casble/cable |
| 10:45.52 | XorA | someone should implement ipkg-proxy :-) |
| 10:48.40 | XorA | firefox is 21M of crap :-) |
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| 10:51.42 | zedkatuf|desktop | too slow? |
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| 11:00.43 | XorA | zedkatuf|desktop: no, just too huge |
| 11:01.08 | hrw|work | someone tried USB speakers with Zaurus? |
| 11:03.53 | Tomoe | XorA: XUL WINS!!! FATALITY!!! |
| 11:08.20 | hrw|work | zedkatuf|desktop: btw - hentges 3.5.4.1 feeds are 100% copy of OZ feeds |
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| 11:30.41 | hrw|work | XorA: firefox size is not important - memory usage is killing |
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| 11:39.47 | XorA | hrw|work: I fear we need a mozilla expert to help with OE versions |
| 11:42.45 | poushag | ff seems to have a memory leak in every platform |
| 11:43.22 | poushag | at least with the plugins i like such as session saver |
| 11:43.35 | XorA | if only gpe-mini-browser did SSL and cookies |
| 11:44.00 | poushag | if i leave it running for days, the ram usage just keeps going up until it eats it all |
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| 11:45.40 | poushag | ff is even trying to get people to search out all the memory leaks - i hate memory leaks because i like to use lots of windows |
| 11:48.43 | poushag | i have 21 apps open right now on my desktop and ff has 30 windows (but most of the others only have one) - even so, i dont wee why ff needs 240mb of ram and 2gb of virtual memory |
| 11:49.04 | poushag | and 60% of my CPU |
| 11:50.54 | _law_ | does anybody know the [ -e ] in a shell script? |
| 11:50.59 | _law_ | what does it mean? |
| 11:52.16 | poushag | if i had a session saver for another browser, i probably wouldnt use firefox |
| 11:52.32 | poushag | its such a hog |
| 11:53.02 | poushag | flikker, did you try opie-eye? |
| 11:53.39 | poushag | hrw and all, i am about to set up a dev env (inside an emulator) for OZ - which linux distro is going to get me started quickest with the least headaches? |
| 11:53.52 | poushag | i would like to be able to develop for opie and gpe i suppose - i mean have as OS that gives me the option to do either or both |
| 11:53.52 | hrw|work | debian 'sid'? |
| 11:55.21 | poushag | why that one instead of the others (i.e. ubuntu, mepis, etc)? |
| 11:55.35 | hrw|work | I use it |
| 11:56.17 | poushag | heheh - i figured - tried any others? |
| 11:56.49 | XorA | Id agree with debian sid |
| 11:57.34 | poushag | ok - do you run synaptic with it? |
| 11:58.05 | hrw|work | aptitude |
| 11:59.11 | poushag | aptitude must be very similar to synaptic |
| 11:59.57 | hrw|work | synaptic was gtk based iirc? |
| 12:01.25 | poushag | yeah - i suppose its just kde/gtk differences |
| 12:01.47 | hrw|work | aptitude is ncurses |
| 12:06.14 | poushag | according to distrowatch ubuntu is based on debian sid - so i may go that route |
| 12:06.40 | hrw|work | ubuntu is debian based, mepis too |
| 12:06.43 | hrw|work | many others too |
| 12:09.49 | poushag | ubuntu even has a debian upgrade path |
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| 12:17.33 | poushag | i think i will get a live cd for each of ubuntu and mepis and pick the one i like best of those two |
| 12:17.52 | hrw|work | http://pastebin.ca/80437 - opinions? |
| 12:19.59 | poushag | the content is fine - clear and concise - do you want english grammar corrections? |
| 12:20.28 | hrw|work | both |
| 12:20.45 | poushag | line 16: s/only one/only |
| 12:21.09 | hrw|work | done |
| 12:21.14 | poushag | line 19: s/was used/were used |
| 12:23.10 | poushag | and it seems redundant that in the acronym GPE, G stands for GPE again - what is with that? |
| 12:23.32 | hrw|work | G in GPE mean GPE |
| 12:24.00 | poushag | i mean it would sound better if G was great, grand, gross, or anything else... (not your fault i know) |
| 12:24.31 | poushag | well then what does that GPE under G mean? ;) |
| 12:24.50 | hrw|work | ask on #gpe ;) |
| 12:25.01 | poushag | i hate circular logic and links that refer to themselves |
| 12:25.30 | poushag | anyway - it looks good - thanks again |
| 12:25.42 | hrw|work | addon: "Release work would not be possible without OpenEmbedded buildsystem which took most of work from our shoulders." |
| 12:26.14 | poushag | s/most of work/most of the work |
| 12:26.24 | poushag | btw, may i ask why you are only supporting clamshells? |
| 12:26.39 | hrw|work | 3.5.4 does not supported cxx00 |
| 12:26.48 | hrw|work | 3.5.4.1 has to fix it |
| 12:27.04 | hrw|work | and c7x0 use same kernel as cxx00 so it got added too |
| 12:27.20 | hrw|work | and I lack cxx00 so had to add c7x0 anyway to be able to test something |
| 12:27.38 | hrw|work | I prefer to not touch 2.4 zaurus kernels even with long stick |
| 12:27.43 | poushag | what about the 5x00 and 6000? |
| 12:28.25 | hrw|work | they both use 2.4 now |
| 12:28.35 | hrw|work | so 3.5.4 + upgrades are for them |
| 12:28.38 | poushag | there are still a great many of those out there - i just resurrected mine - OZ is the first ROM that actually makes any Z really usable imo |
| 12:29.23 | poushag | i see |
| 12:29.31 | hrw|work | maybe 3.5.4.2 for poodle/tosa with 2.6 kernels |
| 12:30.16 | poushag | isnt poodle mostly the same hardware as collie anyway? (but with more ram) |
| 12:30.24 | hrw|work | no |
| 12:30.36 | hrw|work | collie: sa1100, 16M flash, 64M ram, locomo |
| 12:30.42 | poushag | is there a url that explains the difference in detail? |
| 12:30.47 | hrw|work | poodle: pxa250/255, 64m flash, 32m ram, locomo |
| 12:31.08 | hrw|work | http://zaurus.spy.org/ had some |
| 12:31.45 | poushag | sa1100 is an IR chip or what? |
| 12:31.49 | hrw|work | cpu |
| 12:31.56 | hrw|work | strongarm 1100 |
| 12:32.15 | poushag | ah ok |
| 12:35.23 | poushag | thanks for the link - poodle actually looks like a great machine right now - low price; small screen and big battery = lots of run time off a charge; and virtually same processor as the newer models |
| 12:35.33 | hrw|work | poodle suxx |
| 12:35.49 | hrw|work | 2.4 kernel is a disaster and fscking unstable in OZ |
| 12:36.09 | hrw|work | OZ devels got few poodles in this year and we decided to not work on 2.4 at all |
| 12:36.13 | hrw|work | 2.6 is a future |
| 12:36.31 | ixoth | hrw|work: 2.4 on poodle is better than sharprom on poodle :) |
| 12:36.54 | hrw|work | ixoth: sharp on poodle is so bad?? |
| 12:36.57 | poushag | what exactly is so bad about 2.4? i use it on several servers (although the newset servers have 2.6) |
| 12:37.03 | ixoth | I mean, OZ/2.4 on poodle :) |
| 12:37.13 | hrw|work | oz on poodle has wrong colors on framebuffer, can crash randomly |
| 12:37.35 | hrw|work | poushag: sharp 2.4.18-crapix has so low quality that it lack it |
| 12:37.38 | poushag | s/newset/newest |
| 12:37.53 | ixoth | Well, I like OZ so much, probably :) But no crashes last week |
| 12:39.12 | poushag | well 2.4 runs fine on collie - is it the processor that makes such a huge difference? |
| 12:39.56 | ixoth | in fact, 2.6 is much, much better (i've tried), but still has no support for sound |
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| 12:46.23 | XorA_ | ~lart Xor for losing connection |
| 12:47.30 | poushag | well if you ever get 2.6 working for poodle with sound i will buy one off ebay |
| 12:47.42 | hrw|work | someone work on it iirc |
| 12:48.21 | ixoth | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/kernel-26-on-poodle-status-page/ |
| 12:56.28 | poushag | thx ixoth - looks like the rest of the bugs can be ignored (by me at least since i dont use num-lock, caps-lock, or screensaver and i dont suspend with the hard key anymore) |
| 12:57.01 | ixoth | thank CoreDump|afk for that :) |
| 12:57.56 | poushag | and i dont think we ever need to halt a Z do we?! ;) |
| 12:59.57 | poushag | but lacking sound is a show stopper |
| 13:10.42 | hrw|work | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/3.5.4.1-test/final/fixed2/ - what do you think? |
| 13:38.53 | XorA | hrw|work: are you building on a 32bit machine? |
| 13:39.17 | hrw|work | on dual opteron in 32bit mode |
| 13:39.37 | XorA | hrw|work: I suspect you could build minimo with one small patch |
| 13:40.24 | hrw|work | push patch somewhere so I will test |
| 13:42.18 | XorA | hrw|work: http://hyboria.mine.nu/minimo.patch |
| 13:42.36 | XorA | hrw|work: jsautocfg.h is in firefox-1.0.7 dir, just copy it to minimo dir |
| 13:42.38 | hrw|work | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2006/07/06/openzaurus-3541-release/ |
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| 14:16.30 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 14:16.43 | REdOG | hellos |
| 14:20.58 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: it would be harder without your help |
| 14:21.52 | CoreDump|home | ;) Still, you've invested a lot of time and energy into it. It is much appreciated |
| 14:23.31 | hrw|work | http://digg.com/gadgets/upcoming - digg release info |
| 14:25.40 | CoreDump|home | hmm no slashdot like w/ 3.5.1? =) |
| 14:25.53 | hrw|work | feel free to post there |
| 14:41.05 | hrw|work | 'Hrw' is taken on slashdot... and I do not remember did I register there... |
| 14:52.19 | CoreDump|home | so is coredump :\ |
| 14:54.09 | XorA | XorA is mine :-) |
| 14:54.29 | hrw|work | Hrwandil (my other nickname) is also taken.. this time by me probably |
| 14:54.50 | hrw|work | question is... from which account.... |
| 14:55.38 | hrw|work | XOR A? |
| 14:56.00 | hrw|work | We are the Knights who say: MOVE.L USP,A1 |
| 14:57.20 | XorA | hrw|work: yes, z80 opcode |
| 14:57.43 | hrw|work | 6502 iirc had 'just XOR' |
| 14:58.00 | hrw|work | z80 suxx - slooooow |
| 14:58.18 | hrw|work | easy to understand but those not universal registers... |
| 14:58.43 | XorA | 6502 sucks bigtome, only 255 bytes of stack and 3 registers :-) |
| 14:58.56 | XorA | I liked z80 and its primitive task switching |
| 14:59.08 | hrw|work | your developer skills need upgrade then |
| 14:59.33 | XorA | and z80 is still in production :-) |
| 15:00.13 | XorA | I moved from z80 to 68000 |
| 15:01.29 | hrw|work | 6502 -> 68000 -> 68020 -> 68030 -> 68040 -> x86 |
| 15:01.39 | hrw|work | z80 at studies between 030 and 040 |
| 15:02.18 | XorA | hrw|work: z80/6502 -> 68000 -> 68332 -> hc11 -> h8 -> x86 |
| 15:02.38 | XorA | with a whole load of PIC stuff thrown in there as well |
| 15:02.50 | hrw|work | ah.. pic16 after z80 |
| 15:03.14 | XorA | bah, pic for lazy man |
| 15:03.27 | XorA | pic10, pic14 for real men |
| 15:04.05 | hrw|work | friend wrote FATFS and CF driver for pic18 with 1.5KB ram |
| 15:04.31 | XorA | hrw|work: heh heh |
| 15:05.13 | hrw|work | what is it? |
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| 15:05.23 | XorA | z8000 CPU running at 20Mhz |
| 15:05.34 | XorA | but with a zx compatible mode |
| 15:05.37 | XorA | made in russia |
| 15:05.37 | hrw|work | ah.. another spectrum on steroids |
| 15:05.55 | XorA | :-D |
| 15:06.05 | hrw|work | I wait for Polish atari project called F7 |
| 15:06.34 | hrw|work | its atari xl/xe (original one) with 65816, own linear ram etc.. |
| 15:06.35 | XorA | ST clone? |
| 15:07.04 | XorA | ah, xl/xe werent popular in the UK |
| 15:07.27 | hrw|work | you zx users... |
| 15:14.43 | XorA | hrw|work: we rule :-) |
| 15:15.11 | hrw|work | no - russian constructors rule |
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| 15:15.31 | hrw|work | pentagram, scorpion... those were nice zx clones |
| 15:15.39 | redguy | yay openzaurus |
| 15:15.47 | hrw|work | XorA: have you ever heard about elwro 800 junior? |
| 15:15.57 | XorA | hrw|work: not that I recall |
| 15:16.06 | hrw|work | XorA: imagine network from zx clones |
| 15:16.39 | redguy | is something wrong with the md5 sums of the tarballs? |
| 15:16.46 | redguy | I can't quite download them |
| 15:16.48 | hrw|work | install kits? |
| 15:16.53 | redguy | uhm |
| 15:17.00 | hrw|work | which device? |
| 15:17.05 | redguy | akita, |
| 15:17.15 | redguy | all install kits, both mirrors |
| 15:17.17 | hrw|work | regenerated now |
| 15:17.23 | XorA | hrw|work: that looks quite cool, fancy a couple of those now |
| 15:18.16 | hrw|work | hrw@bitbake:/data/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4.1/images/spitz$ cat *md5 |
| 15:18.19 | hrw|work | fc7e5089b62757b483eb9c2e0cf741a6 bootstrap-install.tar.gz |
| 15:18.21 | hrw|work | 3db143c708577eb6ebbb67e8e762cd4f gpe-install.tar.gz |
| 15:18.24 | hrw|work | 6b38bb28d8151e3b66e02ca0b5ca9f9e opie-install.tar.gz |
| 15:18.26 | hrw|work | hrw@bitbake:/data/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4.1/images/spitz$ md5sum *gz |
| 15:18.30 | hrw|work | fc7e5089b62757b483eb9c2e0cf741a6 bootstrap-install.tar.gz |
| 15:18.32 | hrw|work | 3db143c708577eb6ebbb67e8e762cd4f gpe-install.tar.gz |
| 15:18.35 | hrw|work | 6b38bb28d8151e3b66e02ca0b5ca9f9e opie-install.tar.gz |
| 15:18.46 | redguy | hrw|work, thanks, seems something's wrong wit my browser :/ |
| 15:19.02 | XorA | I find ewi chops downloads short |
| 15:19.41 | hrw|work | XorA: still under 2M/s |
| 15:20.01 | hrw|work | or 4M/s |
| 15:20.07 | hrw|work | 3.5.4 was 16M/s |
| 15:24.11 | zedkatuf|desktop | In /etc/ipkg.conf , to upgrade, shall I just put the http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4.1/feed/base etc directories in there & then do ipkg upgrade (I'm using the 354 feed atm) ?0 |
| 15:24.54 | hrw|work | you can |
| 15:25.05 | hrw|work | keep machine feeds from 3.5.4 anyway |
| 15:25.18 | zedkatuf|desktop | ..any 'buts'? |
| 15:26.00 | zedkatuf|desktop | (apart from machine feed remaining the same) |
| 15:26.05 | hrw|work | such upgrade is not tested |
| 15:26.17 | hrw|work | so if it work for you then report it |
| 15:26.33 | zedkatuf|desktop | yeah..true...not totally sure I should atm...I need my Terier for PIM atm |
| 15:26.41 | zedkatuf|desktop | (mebbe I'll do it at end of July!) |
| 15:26.49 | hrw|work | ah.. terrier is 3.5.4.1 machine |
| 15:27.13 | zedkatuf|desktop | I'm using hentges T1 release of 3.5.4.1 |
| 15:27.20 | hrw|work | you should change all feeds and upgrade should work |
| 15:27.41 | hrw|work | so you use oz 3.5.4.1 already - small changes happened after T1 |
| 15:27.44 | zedkatuf|desktop | & it works mostly fine, but wlan card sometimes causes screen to fade if there's lots of network traffic |
| 15:28.26 | zedkatuf|desktop | k, thanks...is there a changelog for me to check? |
| 15:28.57 | hrw|work | I can generate monotone log for 3.5.4 -> 3.5.4.1 but dont know will it be usable |
| 15:29.00 | zedkatuf|desktop | (check to see if it's worthwhile doing atm, I mean) |
| 15:29.18 | zedkatuf|desktop | any apm changes at all? |
| 15:29.23 | hrw|work | I would keep T1 |
| 15:29.29 | zedkatuf|desktop | yeah, I think ur right |
| 15:29.42 | zedkatuf|desktop | It's 98% working |
| 15:30.27 | XorA | RP: ping |
| 15:30.30 | zedkatuf|desktop | II'll add my tnx hrw|work for all ur efforts in this btw..and to CoreDump too |
| 15:30.34 | RP | XorA: pong |
| 15:31.17 | XorA | RP: re liams email, I should remove asoc-updates? |
| 15:31.21 | XorA | RP: patch |
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| 15:31.32 | RP | XorA: Yes, he said he'd folded it in |
| 15:32.21 | XorA | RP: I shall try and get that to him tonight then |
| 15:32.27 | XorA | got an hour |
| 15:33.06 | XorA | RP: crap, sound/Makefile patch fails |
| 15:33.24 | RP | XorA: Just add soc to the end of the line |
| 15:33.54 | RP | I have to fix that each time we upgrade - Liam is diffing against a git kernel |
| 15:52.33 | REdOG | of the kernel patches listed in be bb file... what is the influence of status= on patching? |
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| 15:53.15 | REdOG | s/be/the |
| 15:53.32 | hrw|work | status can be: merged (in mainline), pending (going to be merged), hack (not be merged) |
| 15:55.00 | REdOG | mainline being upstream? |
| 15:55.20 | hrw|work | yes |
| 15:56.00 | REdOG | I wonder why patch=1 on those then |
| 15:56.12 | REdOG | does it fail gracefully ? |
| 15:56.24 | REdOG | or am I misunderstanding .... something |
| 15:56.30 | hrw|work | patch=1 mean 'this file is a patch' |
| 15:56.34 | REdOG | o |
| 15:56.38 | REdOG | ha ok |
| 15:57.13 | REdOG | where do they get applied? |
| 15:57.25 | hrw|work | during building of kernel |
| 15:58.30 | REdOG | hrm, I supposed im too accustomed to ebuilds |
| 15:58.43 | hrw|work | bitbake recipes are similar |
| 15:58.58 | REdOG | then where do they cause the build to happen? |
| 15:59.04 | hrw|work | ? |
| 15:59.15 | hrw|work | I do 'bitbake linux-openzaurus' and it will build kernel |
| 15:59.16 | REdOG | looking at ./linux-openzaurus_2.6.17.bb |
| 15:59.25 | hrw|work | look at SRC_URI |
| 16:01.17 | REdOG | right, looks like those are the sources & patches & maybe .configs |
| 16:01.30 | hrw|work | its files + patches |
| 16:01.45 | REdOG | file://defconfig-??? |
| 16:01.52 | REdOG | config patch? |
| 16:02.11 | hrw|work | its file with default kernel config |
| 16:02.15 | REdOG | k |
| 16:02.44 | REdOG | so how does bitbake know which patches to apply? does it just apply them all |
| 16:03.08 | hrw|work | it apply all patches (files with 'patch=1') from SRC_URI |
| 16:03.13 | REdOG | even if status=merged ? |
| 16:03.46 | hrw|work | merged does not mean that it is in tarball extracted |
| 16:03.52 | REdOG | ah |
| 16:04.07 | hrw|work | you look at 2.6.17 - status=merged means that patch was merged AFTER 2.6.17 |
| 16:04.13 | REdOG | got it |
| 16:05.24 | REdOG | and the SRC_URI_append_??? is applied to a particular target only ? |
| 16:05.34 | hrw|work | yes |
| 16:05.38 | REdOG | k tks |
| 16:05.43 | hrw|work | ok time to go |
| 16:05.44 | hrw|work | cu |
| 16:05.49 | REdOG | laters |
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| 17:15.15 | Varoudis | I Q ppl: hda1 is also used for install new packs? |
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| 18:27.45 | florolf | hi |
| 18:28.15 | florolf | anyone using a collie with the dlink dcf-660w-card here? |
| 18:28.23 | florolf | can't get it to work in 3.5.4 |
| 18:28.32 | florolf | but it worked perfectly in 3.5.3 |
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| 18:38.04 | poushag | florolf, i am using collie with 3.5.4.1 from hentges (but not with your wifi card) - tried that? |
| 18:48.36 | florolf | according to the release notes, there is no 3.5.4.1 for collie? |
| 18:48.48 | florolf | ah |
| 18:48.57 | florolf | that one |
| 18:49.08 | florolf | overseen the "hentges" |
| 18:49.15 | florolf | that's on my collie right now |
| 18:49.18 | florolf | doesn't work either |
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| 19:16.40 | al_do_spitz | hi all |
| 19:16.43 | al_do_spitz | I need help: I'd like to try OZ 3.5.4.1 but I want to backup my address book... what should I do? |
| 19:19.27 | thejapa | in your home directory there is a dir named applications, I believe. There resides all PIM data. |
| 19:19.45 | thejapa | There is backup app too. |
| 19:20.10 | thejapa | And you can sync you OZ to desktop, if you configured it. |
| 19:20.31 | thejapa | Make all sorts of copies, better safe than sorry. :) |
| 19:21.02 | thejapa | the dir is named ~/Applications |
| 19:27.21 | magnet | evening. |
| 19:27.43 | magnet | I wonder why coreutils are not installed by default on Zaurus with hard drive. |
| 19:27.51 | magnet | busybox is a pain :) |
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| 19:29.32 | dan2003 | i've flashed and had a quick play with 3.5.4.1 for both gpe and opie.. both seem pretty responsive.. first thing ive noticed is it insists on mounting my microdrive as follows /dev/hda /media/hda as vfat!! its partioned with one ext3 foratted partition however. |
| 19:30.12 | magnet | dan2003: what does /etc/fstab tell about /dev/hda ? |
| 19:31.05 | dan2003 | it says /dev/hda1 /mnt/cf auto, no mention of /dev/hda at all |
| 19:32.57 | magnet | you could try to replace auto, by ext3 . |
| 19:34.10 | dan2003 | could do, but I dont think its using that entry at all, for its mounting /dev/hda /media/hda , where as the entry there says /dev/hda1 /mnt/cf |
| 19:45.16 | _law_ | doesn anyone has got a /etc/gpe/locale.default on his Z ? |
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| 20:29.02 | florolf | nacht |
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| 21:30.23 | SadaraX | !rules |
| 21:30.24 | cdbot | SadaraX: ?? |
| 21:30.28 | SadaraX | Yes |
| 21:31.05 | SadaraX | Hello, is anyone here? |
| 21:31.32 | hobbs | I say, is this thing on, wot wot? |
| 21:32.21 | SadaraX | I have some questions about OpenZaurus and Debian. Would this be an appropriate place to ask them? |
| 21:37.51 | thejapa | yes, proper. May you get help. :) |
| 21:54.36 | SadaraX | Err, sorry. I was away for a bit |
| 21:54.57 | SadaraX | My questions are about trying to get Debian onto my Zaurus 3100 |
| 21:55.22 | SadaraX | I really would rather not use Opie or GPE, and I think I could get Debian small enough to fit onto the normal OS drive |
| 21:55.32 | SadaraX | However I am not sure how to do this... |
| 21:55.57 | SadaraX | I figure it must involve booting from a Compact flash card |
| 21:56.04 | SadaraX | or something like that |
| 21:56.10 | hobbs | SadaraX: start at http://www.eleves.ens.fr/home/leurent/zaurus.html perhaps? |
| 21:56.31 | SadaraX | I have seen that page actually |
| 21:57.18 | SadaraX | I think that page has you install debian onto the internal 4gb drive |
| 21:57.35 | SadaraX | i was wondering if there is a way to put it on the 128 mb drive and boot from there |
| 21:57.53 | hobbs | SadaraX: why would you do that? |
| 21:58.26 | SadaraX | I do not need a big OS, just some basic debian and a windows manager. If Damn-Small linux can do it in 50mb, why can I not do it in less than 128mb? |
| 21:58.50 | hobbs | you can, but why do you want to make things complicated? :) |
| 21:59.09 | hobbs | If you've got a nice 4GB partition (or whatever), why not make use of it to keep things simple? |
| 21:59.16 | thejapa | SadaraX: afaik, you need a lot of space for debian. debian is for those that want tons of stuff, like doing openoffice on a handheld. |
| 21:59.31 | thejapa | not that is wise |
| 22:00.12 | SadaraX | I think the real deal I have is that none of the tutorials for putting debian on my 4gb have worked |
| 22:00.27 | SadaraX | they either never tell me how to 'start' my install of debian, like the greenant tutorial |
| 22:00.33 | SadaraX | or VNC never works |
| 22:00.51 | SadaraX | plus I have heard VNC is not that fast on the zaurus (it takes resources to run afterall) |
| 22:01.04 | SadaraX | I am not against using the 4gb for debian |
| 22:01.18 | SadaraX | i just don't care for Opie or anything else, and I figured I could get it to work on the small drive |
| 22:02.30 | thejapa | there is people trying to make e17 and fluxbox work on OZ |
| 22:02.37 | JustinP | e17 does work |
| 22:02.53 | JustinP | there are just some problems with rxvt font size at the moment |
| 22:03.15 | JustinP | I still have an old build (from far before 3.5.1 days with 2.4 kernel) that works fine |
| 22:03.20 | thejapa | yeah, correcting myself, fluxbox also is reported to work. |
| 22:03.39 | JustinP | the only thing wrong right now is rxvt font size |
| 22:03.40 | SadaraX | I have thought about trying fluxbox, but IceWM seemed to work better for my purposes |
| 22:03.51 | JustinP | well...and that hrw has constant problems compiling but I think it's his system |
| 22:05.00 | thejapa | yeah, he keeps teasing us. it looks darn nice |
| 22:06.48 | JustinP | I'd build images on my system but there's that rxvt problem.... |
| 22:08.57 | SadaraX | A general question about OpenZaurus: It is the base of the operating system, and the desktop/palmtop environment is Opie/GPE? |
| 22:10.50 | SadaraX | or something like Opie/GPE anyway... |
| 22:11.13 | thejapa | SadaraX: OZ is a distro, for many handhelds. OPIE and GPE are just like KDE and Gnome. All distros use one at least. |
| 22:11.22 | SadaraX | oh... |
| 22:11.34 | thejapa | Besides OZ, there is familiar, angstrom, debian and some others I can't remember now. |
| 22:11.51 | SadaraX | Then I think I understand your reaction to my original question |
| 22:12.01 | SadaraX | I do not am not partial to using debian for anything big |
| 22:12.13 | thejapa | no problem. :) i've learned such facts a few months ago. |
| 22:12.20 | thejapa | brb |
| 22:17.59 | redguy | what should I do to access my usb pendrive? |
| 22:18.22 | redguy | modprobing usb-storage and sd_mod doesn't help |
| 22:19.17 | redguy | syslog says "no configuration chosen from 1 choice" |
| 22:19.29 | redguy | it used to be fine with -rc4 |
| 22:19.47 | redguy | any hints on what I might be missing? |
| 22:22.15 | JustinP | you could try "dmesg | tail" and "mount /dev/sda1 -t vfat /media/usb" (/dev/sda1 replaced by the device in dmesg) |
| 22:22.30 | JustinP | assuming /media/usb exists ;-) |
| 22:24.19 | redguy | JustinP, well the problem is that /dev/sda1 is not created |
| 22:24.47 | JustinP | ah...then I have no idea |
| 22:26.44 | redguy | :( |
| 22:27.39 | SadaraX | redguy: thejapa is not here right now |
| 22:27.44 | SadaraX | maybe he might know something |
| 22:29.02 | redguy | SadaraX, is it likelu that he comes tonight? |
| 22:29.17 | redguy | s/likelu/likely/ |
| 22:29.20 | SadaraX | this is all he said: 15:13 < thejapa> brb |
| 22:29.29 | redguy | hah |
| 22:29.31 | SadaraX | that was about 10 minutes ago |
| 22:29.37 | redguy | ah |
| 22:29.37 | SadaraX | i'm waiting for him to come back |
| 22:30.36 | redguy | SadaraX, I'll wat with you then |
| 22:30.50 | redguy | wait that is |
| 22:31.00 | redguy | darn keyboard :/ |
| 22:31.50 | redguy | there's another thing I wanted to ask: do any of the wifi SDIO cards work with oz ? |
| 22:38.10 | JustinP | SDIO is a closed spec |
| 22:38.25 | JustinP | although they did release something lately I don't know of any implementations of any drivers yet |
| 22:38.36 | JustinP | and the cards themselves likely don't have open drivers so.... |
| 22:38.47 | redguy | JustinP, i get the opint... |
| 22:39.01 | JustinP | in addition some of the SD chips in the Z's have closed chips (such as the collie) |
| 22:39.09 | JustinP | so :-( |
| 22:40.29 | thejapa | i'm back, but me just a little better than ibot in answers |
| 22:40.45 | thejapa | ibot must know more than me. |
| 22:40.50 | thejapa | ~udev |
| 22:40.52 | ibot | somebody said udev was at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit |
| 22:40.55 | thejapa | see |
| 22:41.02 | redguy | hah |
| 22:41.07 | SadaraX | Hey thejapa, may I with queries for you? |
| 22:41.21 | SadaraX | *may I continue with queries for you? |
| 22:42.21 | thejapa | yeah, hope I can help |
| 22:42.36 | thejapa | i'll be leaving in 15min though. |
| 22:42.59 | SadaraX | OK, I'll be quick. We were talking about how OZ is an actual distro, and Opie/GPE is a desktop environment |
| 22:43.04 | SadaraX | I just want something other than Opie (like IceWM or fluxbox) and some certain applications such as Mplayer, a decent music player, and maybe gwenview... |
| 22:43.18 | SadaraX | Is there a way I can do this? |
| 22:44.09 | JustinP | SadaraX: install bootstrap-image then install the pakcages you want |
| 22:44.19 | JustinP | SadaraX: or get OE and set up an image target with the packages you want |
| 22:44.57 | thejapa | yeah, it's quite painfull to get OE working at first (personal experience) but you get to build whatever you want for your particular handheld |
| 22:45.06 | thejapa | your mileage *WILL* vary. |
| 22:46.07 | JustinP | whereas if everything you want is already in OE (and the feeds) you're better off just installing from there |
| 22:46.39 | JustinP | if you don't want to mess with OE but want more packages in OE you can always ask....but people have their own things to finish |
| 22:46.48 | zedkatuf|desktop | SadaraX: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18503&st=105# |
| 22:47.05 | Varrraaa | hello, any oz user on 3100? |
| 22:47.11 | zedkatuf|desktop | SadaraX: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18503&st=105# |
| 22:47.14 | zedkatuf|desktop | whoops |
| 22:47.15 | thejapa | JustinP is right oh, and get a stable branch in OE, it will be less troublesome. :) |
| 22:47.19 | zedkatuf|desktop | soz for posting twice |
| 22:47.29 | zedkatuf|desktop | Varrraaa: I'm on a 3200 |
| 22:48.13 | Varrraaa | will my planex wifi card (the one that needs firmware upload on 2.4.20) work with new OZ? |
| 22:48.30 | zedkatuf|desktop | soz, no idea....I'm using an Ambicom 1100C |
| 22:48.48 | zedkatuf|desktop | SadaraX: http://hentges.net/tmp/do_not_use/spitz/ |
| 22:49.06 | Varoudis | Im trying to bid one ambicom on ebay :) |
| 22:49.12 | JustinP | and a spitz |
| 22:49.24 | JustinP | I got one for ~$60 on ebay |
| 22:49.24 | zedkatuf|desktop | JustinP: I have a few probs with mine.... |
| 22:49.27 | redguy | so the "no configuration chosen from 1 choice" message is generated by udev? |
| 22:49.36 | JustinP | redguy: I assume so |
| 22:49.57 | zedkatuf|desktop | JustinP: ....it sometimes causes the terrier screen to fade out with lots of wlan traffic |
| 22:50.40 | hobbs | I have an 1100C, no problems :) |
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| 22:52.24 | zedkatuf|desktop | hmm...mebbe I need to update my kernel modules... |
| 22:52.52 | zedkatuf|desktop | hobbs: which hardware r u using? |
| 22:53.00 | hobbs | akita |
| 22:53.15 | zedkatuf|desktop | & oz 3.5.4.1? |
| 22:53.16 | hobbs | running 3.5.4.1-rc4 |
| 22:53.19 | zedkatuf|desktop | k |
| 22:53.26 | zedkatuf|desktop | JustinP: 3.5.4.1 ? |
| 22:54.25 | SadaraX | What is OE? |
| 22:54.32 | thejapa | ~OE |
| 22:54.34 | ibot | hmm... oe is OpenEmbedded (see http://www.openembedded.org ), or "Opportunistic Encryption" (see http://www.wavesec.org ), or an email client which is not to be spoken of. |
| 22:54.45 | thejapa | i love using ibot, no kidding. |
| 22:54.52 | SadaraX | my job is getting people to work with OE |
| 22:54.55 | SadaraX | I hate that app |
| 22:55.18 | thejapa | the latter one? curious coincidence! :) |
| 22:55.42 | SadaraX | I hate OE, i do not know much of ibot |
| 22:55.54 | SadaraX | Well, on my zaurus I already have Opie 1.2 running |
| 22:56.12 | SadaraX | I will look into OE and see if I can get IceWM or Fluxbox working.... |
| 22:56.50 | zedkatuf|desktop | SadaraX: fluxbox is working on hentges version of gpe |
| 22:57.00 | zedkatuf|desktop | (I have it working on my 3200) |
| 22:57.09 | thejapa | SadaraX, I believe you will have option in latest OZ to use gpe + fluxbox in a few weeks. |
| 22:57.26 | SadaraX | zedkatuf|desktop: have you have you ever heard of FTMenu for fluxbox? |
| 22:58.21 | MNeimeyer | Can anyone recommend any resources/how-tos/etc? I'm having trouble syncing Outlook to Qtopia Desktop (even though Opie is syncing off my Z to Qtopia Desktop just fine) |
| 22:58.32 | SadaraX | basically its an app for fluxbox that puts the regular menu on the taskbar as a button |
| 22:58.35 | SadaraX | its quite handy |
| 22:58.36 | redguy | since it worked in -rc4, are there any diffs availible online I could see? |
| 22:58.52 | zedkatuf|desktop | SadaraX: nice app |
| 22:59.13 | SadaraX | zedkatuf|desktop: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ftmenu/ |
| 22:59.18 | SadaraX | Its customizable |
| 22:59.27 | SadaraX | I wanted to get it working for fluxbox on my handheld |
| 23:00.11 | zedkatuf|desktop | that'd be cool |
| 23:02.00 | zedkatuf|desktop | hmm |
| 23:02.05 | thejapa | i'm probably being a lot optimistic and simplifying things a bit here, but it would be about configuring OpenEmbedded, getting a bitbake recipe right and submit it to some uberhacker for inclusion in official packages. Then all distros using OE could use it. |
| 23:02.37 | zedkatuf|desktop | I'm using 3.5.4 feed on 3.5.4.1.is this a bad idea? |
| 23:02.53 | zedkatuf|desktop | (3.5.4.1 machine) |
| 23:03.49 | SadaraX | thejapa: were you talking to me about the OE config and bitbake stuff? |
| 23:03.51 | thejapa | zedkatuf|desktop: afaik, that's the only option available, but to tell you the truth, my handheld is an ipaq h2200 running familiar. |
| 23:04.11 | thejapa | SadaraX: just a wild idea. :) more a teaser |
| 23:05.23 | thejapa | hey, i must go, i'll be back in like 1 hour. |
| 23:05.29 | SadaraX | thejapa: later |
| 23:06.38 | *** join/#openzaurus thejap1 (n=thejapa@240c.prudente.unesp.br) |
| 23:14.42 | SadaraX | anyone of openzaurus knowledge still present? |
| 23:19.24 | *** part/#openzaurus hobbs (n=andrew@p3m/member/hobbs) |
| 23:19.38 | zedkatuf|desktop | SadaraX: hentges gpe/fluxbox is very good..totem player works well for videos, mplayer & gui-based mp3 players work too |
| 23:21.19 | SadaraX | zedkatuf|desktop: how do I get that? I am not against using fluxbox... |
| 23:21.35 | SadaraX | BTW, does it rotate the desktop properly? |
| 23:21.43 | zedkatuf|desktop | SadaraX |
| 23:21.48 | SadaraX | ? |
| 23:21.53 | zedkatuf|desktop | sorry |
| 23:21.57 | zedkatuf|desktop | pasted wrong thing |
| 23:22.15 | zedkatuf|desktop | http://hentges.net/tmp/do_not_use/spitz/ |
| 23:22.48 | JustinP | SadaraX: zaurusd listens for the hinge button and uses xrandr to rotate |
| 23:22.53 | zedkatuf|desktop | re desktop rotation - I'll check after my ipk upgrade (gulp!) has finished |
| 23:22.53 | JustinP | /etc/zauruds/ |
| 23:22.56 | JustinP | /etc/zaurusd |
| 23:23.11 | SadaraX | yes JustinP ? |
| 23:23.24 | JustinP | it's not GPE specific, it works for any X (such as e17, and I can confirm this) |
| 23:23.51 | SadaraX | I thought so, just wanted to confirm |
| 23:24.16 | SadaraX | Does anyone have screen shots of fluxbox on in OZ? |
| 23:24.40 | zedkatuf|desktop | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18503&st=105# |
| 23:24.49 | zedkatuf|desktop | http://www.igotfree.com/zaurus |
| 23:24.56 | SadaraX | Oh, those were from Fluxbox? I thought those were GPE... |
| 23:25.13 | zedkatuf|desktop | (whoops - latter one isn't fluxbox..haven't uplaoded those yet) |
| 23:25.27 | zedkatuf|desktop | ahh, ok..true |
| 23:25.41 | SadaraX | Well, that's more like it |
| 23:25.46 | zedkatuf|desktop | I'm running the fluxbox toolbar & minimizations |
| 23:25.49 | zedkatuf|desktop | on gpe |
| 23:25.52 | zedkatuf|desktop | which works well |
| 23:26.06 | SadaraX | on that second link |
| 23:26.13 | SadaraX | there is a screenshot at the top... |
| 23:26.13 | zedkatuf|desktop | (providing my ipkg upgrade doesn't bork my 3200, I'll upload some snapshots l8r) |
| 23:26.22 | zedkatuf|desktop | yes |
| 23:26.33 | SadaraX | the little red button on the bottom far left |
| 23:26.51 | SadaraX | what does that access? |
| 23:26.53 | zedkatuf|desktop | the ^ u mean? |
| 23:26.56 | SadaraX | yes |
| 23:27.04 | zedkatuf|desktop | that's the menu button |
| 23:27.10 | zedkatuf|desktop | non-floating |
| 23:27.11 | SadaraX | oh, very cool |
| 23:27.23 | zedkatuf|desktop | so a bit like a K desktop start button |
| 23:27.27 | zedkatuf|desktop | yes, very useful |
| 23:27.41 | SadaraX | the lack of a standard menu button in normal fluxbox on the desktop has been a pain for me |
| 23:27.55 | SadaraX | i look forward to when they add it into the taskbar in future versions... |
| 23:28.00 | zedkatuf|desktop | yep. for sure...CoreDump is to be thanked for this |
| 23:28.31 | SadaraX | He did the menu? Or the whole fluxbox thing? |
| 23:28.38 | zedkatuf|desktop | whole thing afaik |
| 23:28.43 | SadaraX | wowo |
| 23:28.52 | SadaraX | cool |
| 23:29.02 | zedkatuf|desktop | yeah, he's a good bloke |
| 23:29.08 | SadaraX | I have mostly been using my zaurus to look at pictures |
| 23:29.19 | zedkatuf|desktop | gimp works ok under gpe |
| 23:29.25 | zedkatuf|desktop | provided u have enough swap |
| 23:29.32 | SadaraX | I don't need something that big |
| 23:29.39 | SadaraX | I have been using the image viewer in Opie |
| 23:29.46 | SadaraX | it works alright (better than I had hoped) |
| 23:29.49 | SadaraX | but its not perfect |
| 23:30.04 | SadaraX | I figure if I cannot find a decent image viewer app for GPE/fluxbox, I will write one |
| 23:30.06 | zedkatuf|desktop | it didn't like a 6mpixel jpeg I tried to look at though :( |
| 23:30.14 | zedkatuf|desktop | gpe-gallery might be ok |
| 23:30.30 | zedkatuf|desktop | .I haven't tried usng that though yet |
| 23:32.00 | zedkatuf|desktop | bother..should've screened the ipkg upgrade...forogot how long it'd take :( |
| 23:32.53 | SadaraX | I will look at the GPE image viewer |
| 23:33.05 | SadaraX | If it needs improvement, I may fork it or write my own from scratch |
| 23:33.29 | SadaraX | If I succeed, I will of course make it available.... |
| 23:33.31 | zedkatuf|desktop | ..nice to be able to do that sort of thing..I'm just an end user :( |
| 23:33.51 | SadaraX | Yeah, that's the whole reason I learned to program. I have done this sort of thing more than once |
| 23:34.18 | zedkatuf|desktop | which part of the world are u in? |
| 23:34.27 | SadaraX | USA, pacific cost |
| 23:34.36 | SadaraX | you? |
| 23:34.43 | zedkatuf|desktop | UK, southwest England |
| 23:35.09 | SadaraX | I figured as much, I don't hear the word 'bloke' outside of Merry Ol' England much... |
| 23:35.27 | zedkatuf|desktop | wierd really....my elder son can't get his head around the idea of chatting to people you've never met :) |
| 23:35.50 | SadaraX | Have you ever read the posts as bash.org? |
| 23:35.54 | zedkatuf|desktop | "Do you know him daddy?" "Nope" |
| 23:36.09 | zedkatuf|desktop | no....amusing?? |
| 23:36.16 | SadaraX | yes, let me pull one up here |
| 23:36.20 | zedkatuf|desktop | k |
| 23:37.23 | SadaraX | http://bash.org/?142934 |
| 23:37.59 | zedkatuf|desktop | lol...my content filterer got in the way..hang on :) |
| 23:38.49 | SadaraX | Yeah, bash.org is not necessary child safe. It does not have any pictures, but the stories and jokes are not restrained. The top 100/200 are really quite funny |
| 23:41.45 | zedkatuf|desktop | boy, that post was very funny (& sad!) |
| 23:41.50 | zedkatuf|desktop | :) |
| 23:42.16 | SadaraX | yeah, bash.org's top 100 are rather good |
| 23:42.51 | SadaraX | Anyway zedkatuf|desktop and others, thanks for all the help. I will be trying CoreDump's fluxbox on my zaurus soon |
| 23:42.57 | zedkatuf|desktop | k |
| 23:43.15 | SadaraX | Whenever that hits stable, it should really be added to the main openzaurus website. I would have much prefered fluxbox.... |
| 23:44.42 | *** part/#openzaurus thejap1 (n=thejapa@240c.prudente.unesp.br) |
| 23:49.07 | zedkatuf|desktop | yeah, fluxbox/gpe combo is nice...even T2 hentges will be pretty stable I should think |
| 23:49.32 | thejapa | duh, instead of hitting "activate screensaver" i opened another gaim session. :\ |
| 23:49.36 | thejapa | anyway, i'm back |
| 23:51.49 | SadaraX | thejapa: zedkatuf|desktop has been helpful with pointing to me hentges's gpe/fluxbox for OZ |
| 23:51.52 | SadaraX | I will be trying that |
| 23:52.08 | SadaraX | one question though, why is that not on the main OZ website? I would have loved to try that |
| 23:52.48 | zedkatuf|desktop | well, because CoreDump is releasing bleeding-edge stuff for people to try out |
| 23:52.53 | SadaraX | oh |
| 23:53.05 | zedkatuf|desktop | though, I must say, I haven't found much in the way of blood yet :) |
| 23:53.21 | thejapa | never been to the main OZ site. If it's a wiki, it's only waiting someone with a bit of writing time to afford. :) |
| 23:53.28 | zedkatuf|desktop | (ie his releases tend to be as stable as any other) |
| 23:53.57 | thejapa | s/afford/spend |
| 23:54.02 | thejapa | must be going nuts |
| 23:55.29 | zedkatuf|desktop | newb Q: Do I need the locale stuff in the feed? |
| 23:55.39 | zedkatuf|desktop | (I'm doing an ipkg upgrade) |
| 23:58.32 | thejapa | zedkatuf|desktop: the locale is needed only for your language, if you have one available, and you are using it. |
| 23:58.41 | thejapa | I use plain english, so I never worry about it. |
| 23:58.49 | zedkatuf|desktop | k, tnx |
| 23:58.52 | thejapa | just remember I don't use OZ. :) |
| 23:59.03 | zedkatuf|desktop | what rom are u using? |
| 23:59.10 | thejapa | no rom too. |
| 23:59.13 | SadaraX | later guys |
| 23:59.14 | zedkatuf|desktop | :) |
| 23:59.16 | *** join/#openzaurus Flikker (n=mattnosp@dpc674778229.direcpc.com) |
| 23:59.17 | SadaraX | thanks for all the help |
| 23:59.20 | zedkatuf|desktop | np |
| 23:59.32 | zedkatuf|desktop | let us know if u get on with flux/gpe... |
| 23:59.55 | thejapa | I can install familiar in my h2200, in a SD or a CF card, or I can save it on the ROM, but it's 32MB, I prefer saving it to the memory card. |