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00:54.06 | Kevin` | i'm thinking of buying an sl-c3200.. what are the best places to get it form (i'm in usa), and how do you recover when I mess up the linux install on it (failsafe modes, jtag, whatever?) |
01:11.30 | Kevin` | I suppose nobody is here at the moment then? :( |
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01:27.03 | NAbyss | Kevin`: I got my 3100 through pricejapan.com, I'd imagine they'd have 3200s too.. as long as you don't overwrite the NAND recovery partition (i.e. don't force a big kernel into your 3200 when it warns you), you just use the standard method to reflash it. If you completely bugger it up, IIRC, there's jtag pins on the expansion port on the back |
01:27.22 | NAbyss | You'd have to check with one of the devs here about the jtag though.. never used it myself |
01:27.53 | Kevin` | how big is too big? |
01:29.51 | Kevin` | and where can I get a jtag cable with the approprate connector (sounds rather hard to make myself) |
01:32.01 | NAbyss | Kevin`: Not sure, it'll warn you when building with OE though if the kernel's too large. |
01:32.05 | NAbyss | IIRC, it's around 1.2mb |
01:32.21 | Kevin` | OE? |
01:33.33 | NAbyss | Openembedded.. the thing that OZ's built from |
01:33.39 | NAbyss | I've got no idea about the JTAG stuff. |
01:35.02 | NAbyss | Kevin`: Ah, actually, after digging around, it appears that there's a ROM-bootable thing that'll restore your flash off a CF card without JTAG |
01:35.31 | Kevin` | meaning I can't change it to break this function? |
01:35.33 | Kevin` | url? |
01:36.28 | NAbyss | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=2897&st=15 |
01:42.51 | Kevin` | it looks to me like that's made for c700, c750, c760 |
01:43.23 | NAbyss | Again, as I said, I have no experience with the JTAG stuff. I'm just going on what's out there. |
01:43.33 | Kevin` | I mean, the rom restore |
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06:47.53 | hrw|gone | http://www.hrw.one.pl/2006/08/09/sharp-zaurus-jtag-cable/ |
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08:40.46 | zedkatuf | ~convert 200 usd gbp |
08:40.58 | zedkatuf | nope |
08:41.04 | zedkatuf | not that command :) |
08:41.43 | ade|desk | ~change 200 usd to gbp |
08:41.50 | zedkatuf | ta :) |
08:41.53 | ade|desk | np |
08:42.32 | zedkatuf | ~change 257 usd gbp |
08:42.42 | zedkatuf | ~change 257 usd to gbp |
08:42.46 | zedkatuf | :) |
08:44.04 | zedkatuf | ~change 317 usd to gbp |
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09:08.48 | zedkatuf | ~seen poushag |
09:08.54 | ibot | poushag is currently on #oe (3d 4h 6m 1s) #openzaurus (3d 4h 6m 1s) #opie (3d 4h 6m 1s). Has said a total of 360 messages. Is idling for 1h 20m 6s, last said: 'hi xora'. |
09:09.25 | zedkatuf | poushag: http://pastebin.ca/123454 |
09:10.17 | zedkatuf | just symlink /usr/lib/libetpan.so.0.0.3 to /usr/lib/libetpan3.so IIRC |
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10:36.05 | Kerwood | Are there any guidelines for porting a small KDE app to Opie/Qt besides "Don't do it"? |
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10:57.27 | alan|philo | Kerwood: may i ask which app ? |
10:57.28 | Kerwood | alan|philo: kcalc |
10:57.28 | alan|philo | i don't do Opie, but i think there is a calc app for opie, isn't there ? |
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11:14.43 | Kerwood | hrw|work: Trolltech is going where the money is, I guess... |
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13:01.06 | lostboy1 | is there a ipkg command to see what dependency a package has? |
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13:12.50 | hrw|work | ipkg info package? |
13:13.19 | lostboy1 | thanks :-) |
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13:32.56 | lostboy1 | any ideas on why iwconfig would segfault on a SL-5500 running OZ 3.5.4 with opie after performing an upgrade |
13:33.05 | lostboy1 | http://sh.nu/p/2640 is all the info I can think of so far |
13:34.14 | hrw|work | install hostap-conf? |
13:34.26 | hrw|work | I will check it when find time |
13:34.31 | hrw|work | it worked on my collie ;( |
13:34.38 | lostboy1 | it was installed, but no files were present, so i downloaded and re-installed |
13:35.15 | lostboy1 | I am wondering if it is because I am running root on loop image on SD card |
13:36.03 | lostboy1 | oh, and after i installed hostap-conf a second time, the /etc/pcmcia/hostap.conf file did appear :-) |
13:37.39 | lostboy1 | hrw|work: which rom are you using? |
13:38.49 | hrw|work | lostboy1: in collie? 64Mbit Flash Memory LF28F640BX |
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13:39.09 | hrw|work | like every collie |
13:39.26 | lostboy1 | i meant OZ or Hentges |
13:39.31 | hrw|work | ah |
13:39.36 | hrw|work | now it has OZ 3.5.4 |
13:39.43 | lostboy1 | okay |
13:39.47 | hrw|work | but do not ask when it was powered on last time |
13:43.47 | darkschneider | hrw|work: suggestion: make the new rom smaller, cause it takes all the available space and you can't even change the root password (you can't write to any file even existing, cause of jffs2 write policy) note that ipkg have problems with no space too cause it can0t update package information files |
13:44.01 | hrw|work | darkschneider: opie? |
13:44.09 | darkschneider | yes |
13:44.15 | hrw|work | darkschneider: what to remove? |
13:44.25 | darkschneider | no idea :) |
13:45.03 | darkschneider | take out even somethign small, at least one can then uninstall more files with ipkg |
13:45.52 | darkschneider | i perosnally think that in 5600 case, since opieplayes does not work, removing it is a good plocy |
13:46.20 | hrw|work | qpdf also out |
13:46.23 | darkschneider | in the past only in one version opieplayer worked and only after editing of some files |
13:47.02 | darkschneider | so since it is not workign out of the box removing it can0t be so bad.. many install mplayer and madplay /cause madplay uses much less cpu) |
13:47.38 | darkschneider | parashot is probably to exchange with tetris |
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13:48.06 | hrw|work | rebuilding image |
13:48.19 | darkschneider | parashot feature was use of audio, that in this case is not working, tetris feature is permanet highscore that probably is better wanted |
13:49.10 | darkschneider | and the fact that the central enter key (the silver one on the sliding palle) does not work makes parashot quite complex to play :D |
13:49.23 | darkschneider | apart that, GREAT WORK! |
13:49.57 | darkschneider | i'm impressed... after years 5600 start to work as it should.. it did not crashed.. never |
13:50.56 | darkschneider | a thing i noticed is that after a first reboot all the devices that were listed on the "network settigns" of opie disappeared |
13:51.41 | darkschneider | i personally think now that most of the problems are opie related... and that some opie guy shoudl help us a bit by following the problems that are spotted |
13:56.13 | hrw|work | -rw-r--r-- 1 hrw hrw 16302080 Aug 9 15:55 opie-image-3.5.4.2-rc1-poodle.rootfs.jffs2.bin |
13:56.17 | hrw|work | better? |
13:56.42 | hrw|work | 5.7M smaller |
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14:05.51 | darkschneider | much better :) |
14:06.14 | darkschneider | lot of space and nearly no change in functionality |
14:06.45 | darkschneider | i hate qt programming.. cause a very simple interface for madplay would be what is needed |
14:10.25 | hrw|work | I removed all addons - now image is nearly like collie one |
14:10.31 | hrw|work | no konqueror even |
14:11.17 | hrw|work | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/3.5.4.2-test/status.txt |
14:11.23 | hrw|work | read this package list |
14:17.08 | darkschneider | yes i think that for testing that is a good pllicy, when everithing works, it can be asked what more needed |
14:18.45 | darkschneider | modules are still missing? i can0t see them all in the list, but i was used to 2.4 list |
14:19.10 | hrw|work | did not checked |
14:19.20 | darkschneider | probably the serial modules should not be isntalled by default, cause sserial cable is rather rare |
14:20.10 | darkschneider | if you are positive i'll write some of those things on the wiki page you did for the release |
14:20.18 | hrw|work | serial_cs is in kernel |
14:20.52 | darkschneider | kk, probably some other thing use it's infrastructure |
14:22.25 | darkschneider | ok, back studing (automatics... ), will work on the wiki discussion later |
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16:03.31 | Laibsch | Hi, has anybody ever tried to install altboot on a Cacko ROM to boot to OZ? |
16:05.35 | Laibsch | The Cacko system is a 2.4.18 kernel. Shouldn't it work? |
16:06.48 | hrw|work | maybe |
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16:09.12 | Laibsch | hrw|work: I guess that means nobody knows. |
16:09.47 | zedkatuf|pda | poushag: could u post ur comment/Q here agin.....my kids r using my desktop box atm & I can't see tge screen :) |
16:11.35 | Tomoe | lol |
16:14.37 | poushag | zedkatuf, i just saw your post on oz: 'just symlink /usr/lib/libetpan.so.0.0.3 to /usr/lib/libetpan3.so IIRC' - on my system these two are not symlinked to each other - are you sure they are on your Z? |
16:16.11 | poushag | yeah my little ones have their own pc - but for some reason my son (16mo) always wants to sit on my lap and watch the cursor move or look at my hands while typing |
16:17.00 | Laibsch | http://www.hentges.net/misc/openzaurus/docs/altboot.shtml: Does altboot really not support the SL-C860 or is it just untested? CoreDump|afk? |
16:17.32 | poushag | my daughter now 5 started using a reaaallly old pc (486!) when only 2 and after a month was a mousing wizard - with a regular old mouse too |
16:20.11 | hrw|work | Laibsch: altboot support all zaurus models now |
16:20.52 | Laibsch | OK, good to know. ping CoreDump|afk, please update the website. Thank you. |
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16:24.28 | zedkatuf|pda | poushag: yep re libetpan symlinking: |
16:24.29 | zedkatuf|pda | <PROTECTED> |
16:25.32 | zedkatuf|pda | poushag: was there another Q too? |
16:26.08 | poushag | zed, well yeah - can you run * find / -name '*ompi*' * |
16:26.19 | poushag | sry too many asterisks |
16:26.34 | poushag | find / -name '*ompi*' |
16:28.04 | zedkatuf|pda | k, trying now |
16:28.28 | zedkatuf|pda | ....doing an ipkg list on sthng else too aaaaat same time so ma take a while :) |
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16:40.13 | poushag | k zed, i hope you will be around in about 45 min or so - i gotta eat and get the kids lunch |
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17:46.32 | summatusmentis | if I were to flash to OPIE, from GPE on my 5500, could I use the same zImage? |
18:15.43 | poushag | summatus, yes - its the kernel and does not change not matter what window manager or X you put over it |
18:16.43 | poushag | you just change the initrd.bin file and, optionally, the cardfs tar |
18:17.57 | poushag | (if you use hentges rom he also provides matching cardfs with many useful apps) |
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18:52.22 | arm-bar | hello, I cannot seem to find a ipk for rxvt, xterm or aterm. Is there one avalible under opie? |
18:56.28 | Kerwood | Alright, I gave opie a good try on my terrier (C3200), but decided to install gpe over it due to the better apps available. |
18:56.28 | Kerwood | So now things are working fairly well, except that when the screen goes dim it never "un-dims" in response to a tap or keypress |
18:56.28 | Kerwood | Also, the Date/Time setting app starts and immediately quits. So, before I submit a bug report I'd like to know if it's just misconfigured. |
18:57.16 | webmind | arm-bar, aren't those X apps ? |
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19:34.53 | summatusmentis | webmind, arm-bar, they are. I believe that means you need to be running GPE in order to use them. There might be something like Konsole in opie though.... |
19:35.49 | summatusmentis | poushag, I've been reading up on the loop-devices(I think that's what their called, loop-images maybe?), could one run opie and gpe as loop-images, and not have to have anything on the 5500 itself? |
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19:37.17 | arm-bar | summatusmentis, webmind, now i see why I will go back to GPE... I may test BSD also. Thanks |
19:38.06 | summatusmentis | arm-bar, I'm sure there's a terminal program for opie, but yes, my understanding is that GPE is better, if you're looking for 'standard linux apps' |
19:42.15 | summatusmentis | zedkatuf, you run a loop-image right? |
19:42.24 | summatusmentis | or was that someone else? |
19:50.53 | Kerwood | Yeccccch...now I remember what I hated about GPE... |
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19:54.14 | arm-bar | Kerwood what is that? |
19:54.39 | summatusmentis | yes Kerwood, enlighten us |
19:58.58 | Kerwood | No, no, I'm terribly sorry, I forgot my place. I'll not say anymore about it. |
19:59.18 | summatusmentis | no please, just curious |
19:59.35 | summatusmentis | you've been here longer than me... |
20:01.13 | arm-bar | I diss-like the single app per desktop... |
20:01.31 | summatusmentis | the waht? |
20:01.32 | summatusmentis | what** |
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20:20.11 | zedkatuf | summatusmentis: not for gpe & opie.they're both installed onto the fs |
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20:28.11 | Kevin` | anyone know about jtag for the zaurus (c3200 if it matters) |
20:31.47 | Tomoe | night |
20:31.54 | Tomoe | Kevin`: why does it interest you? |
20:32.13 | Kevin` | reocovery |
20:32.26 | Tomoe | wow |
20:32.26 | Kevin` | testing things that will break stuff |
20:32.42 | hrw | 'http://www.hrw.one.pl/2006/08/09/sharp-zaurus-jtag-cable/' |
20:32.45 | Tomoe | well I doubt you're going to be able to brick it that hard |
20:32.53 | Kevin` | i'll find a way |
20:32.55 | Tomoe | and here's the man to help you |
20:33.03 | Tomoe | --> hrw |
20:33.08 | Tomoe | and I'm off2bed |
20:33.10 | Tomoe | night |
20:33.13 | Kevin` | night |
20:34.37 | Kevin` | cool :) |
20:34.56 | Kevin` | that works for all models right? |
20:35.56 | hrw | read post again |
20:38.03 | Kevin` | I don't see it :/ |
20:38.16 | hrw | then read again |
20:38.39 | Kevin` | well it says "for zaurus machines", so I suppose yes.. |
20:39.03 | hrw | second paragraph |
20:39.36 | Kevin` | well that doesn't have to do with jtag, it's just another method of fixing things if the flash isn't messed up too bad |
20:39.45 | Kevin` | right? |
20:40.10 | hrw | during years when I use zaurus I never heard about someone who bricked >collie |
20:40.39 | Kevin` | what can you do if you erase the flash |
20:41.31 | hrw | zaurus has NOR (diagnostics, 1st stage bootloader) and NAND (2nd stage bootloader, rescue kernel, rescue system, system kernel, rootfs, home partition) |
20:41.52 | Kerwood | hrw: I gave gpe another try today, and I think I may revert to opie once again, in spite of the limited app availability |
20:41.52 | Kerwood | hrw: GPE is what you use, right? |
20:42.02 | hrw | NOR (or it is not NOR - do not remember) cannot be changed by users |
20:42.02 | Kevin` | hm I thought the diagnostics was in nand |
20:42.10 | hrw | Kerwood: depends |
20:42.27 | Kerwood | hrw: hmm |
20:42.39 | hrw | Kerwood: I have opie on tosa, c7x0, collie, gpe on poodle |
20:42.45 | Kevin` | well I suppose as long as I can't change it and it restores things i'm happy :) |
20:44.02 | Kevin` | can you restore using the diagnostic mode from an sd card? |
20:44.28 | hrw | only cf |
20:46.32 | Kevin` | bbl |
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21:18.14 | hrw | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2006/08/09/openzaurus-on-non-zaurus-machines/ |
21:22.01 | poushag | 'koen *uses*' and 'there *were* plans' in case you want to correct grammar on that |
21:22.27 | poushag | nice post btw - glad we are expanding our influence :) |
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21:33.46 | hrw|gone | cu |
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21:40.59 | CoreDump|home | hi |
21:51.28 | ljp | hi |
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22:00.59 | ljp | hmmm. interesting also becuase of the discussion we had about openzaurus for ipaq a while ago... |
22:03.12 | CoreDump|home | since OZ is basically mostly just a collection of fixed-version software it should run on many devices just fine |
22:03.32 | ljp | agreed |
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