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| 01:08.45 | Necronom | I've been using a Linuxsys WUSB54GV4 with a powered USB hub. |
| 01:09.20 | Necronom | It works with the rt2570 driver on my x86 linux box, and the device is recognized on the zaurus, but it doesn't seem to find any access points. |
| 01:41.41 | Wicked_ | hey, so my zaurus seems pretty screwed over :/ I can't boot it into opie, let alone turn it on, or even go to the update menu, but I can access the system menu |
| 02:17.45 | Wicked_ | meh anyone? |
| 02:28.15 | wpiku | Wicked_, you could reflash your NAND |
| 02:28.32 | wpiku | maybe an easier way to fix it though |
| 02:28.54 | Wicked_ | I've been looking for that online >.> |
| 02:29.02 | Wicked_ | is that in the wikie by any chance? |
| 02:29.06 | Wicked_ | wiki* |
| 02:34.18 | agaffney | what does it mean when the mail light is flashing on the collie with the opie oz image? |
| 02:34.44 | agaffney | it's certaintly not mail since I haven't set that up :P |
| 02:35.13 | Wicked_ | that happened when I had the charger plugged in and no battery in |
| 02:35.45 | agaffney | nah, it started when it was just on battery |
| 02:35.51 | agaffney | and it's still doing it now that it's on AC |
| 02:36.06 | agaffney | it's a bit "frozen" atm |
| 02:36.06 | Wicked_ | no idea, sorry |
| 02:36.21 | agaffney | I overwhelmed it by running a wireless scanner and it finding ~150 APs\ |
| 02:36.31 | agaffney | apparently there's a wireless ISP in my apartments :P |
| 02:36.39 | Wicked_ | nice O_o |
| 02:36.58 | agaffney | they're WEP encrypted, but of course, that doesn't mean much :P |
| 02:37.07 | agaffney | I'll have my laptop and airsnort on the job :P |
| 02:38.16 | azgor | how does aircrack compare to airsnort? |
| 02:38.44 | agaffney | I've never really used either |
| 02:39.22 | Wicked_ | a friend used aircrack and mdk2 to crack a wireless wep key, and reak havoc on a network |
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| 02:41.44 | scorn | So I'm looking for the addressbook data file in my SL-5600, I find a file called addressbook.xml, and I'm sure this is it, however when I look at the file directly, its does not contain any of the entries that my real address book does. |
| 02:41.54 | scorn | Using Sharp ROM. |
| 02:42.09 | scorn | Haven't mustered up the courage to try OZ yet. |
| 02:42.13 | scorn | getting there though. |
| 03:04.10 | nil | hi! |
| 03:04.42 | scorn | helloo |
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| 03:34.01 | Wicked_ | where can I get a NAND backup >_> |
| 03:35.03 | Kevin` | I have one of my sl-c3200.. |
| 03:36.03 | Wicked_ | I need one for c1000, but if those 2 are close enough (if there is any difference at all) is there any way you could be so gracious as to send me it? |
| 03:36.28 | Kevin` | I could make it available if you want it.. i'm not sure if it's compatible though |
| 03:36.36 | Kevin` | how much flash does c1000 have? |
| 03:36.50 | Wicked_ | 64mb I think |
| 03:36.58 | Kevin` | 3200 has 128m |
| 03:37.03 | Kevin` | if you want, i'll put it up.. |
| 03:37.17 | Wicked_ | that would be wonderful :) |
| 03:38.35 | Kevin` | http://kwzs.be/systc320.dbk |
| 03:39.03 | Kevin` | there must be more.. correct sources out there though |
| 03:39.03 | Wicked_ | oh man your awesome |
| 03:39.11 | Kevin` | I suppose if it works, it doesn't matter, but |
| 03:39.19 | Wicked_ | I've triend looking, I'll look harder :s |
| 03:40.05 | Kevin` | is there any kind of unique id included with the firmware that matters? I don't think it has a mac address.. |
| 03:42.00 | Wicked_ | it doesn't have enough flash I think, I just checked |
| 03:42.12 | Wicked_ | im sorry for causing you any trouble =( |
| 03:42.26 | Kevin` | all I had do do was make a symlink. no trouble |
| 03:42.52 | Wicked_ | thanks |
| 03:43.44 | Kevin` | you could possibly make your own files for upload using the c+d method |
| 03:44.29 | Kevin` | or find a firmware that used that, I suppose |
| 03:57.20 | wpiku | speaking of airsnort, aircrack, etc |
| 03:57.27 | wpiku | I've been meaning to try those to see how easy it is to crack my network |
| 04:01.53 | Wicked_ | the moment of truth |
| 04:01.56 | Wicked_ | restoring :s |
| 04:02.09 | Wicked_ | omfg a little meter bar |
| 04:02.11 | Wicked_ | yay |
| 04:05.38 | Wicked_ | awesome, RESTORE...OK |
| 04:06.40 | Kevin` | wpiku I cracked my own in about 10 minutes |
| 04:06.50 | Kevin` | wep I really consider a deterrant |
| 04:07.08 | Kevin` | if someone takes the time to get in, I probably wouldn't remove them unless they tried to break things |
| 04:08.10 | Wicked_ | damn |
| 04:08.20 | Wicked_ | now I can't seem to get it to leave the D+M menu |
| 04:08.29 | Kevin` | just reboot it |
| 04:08.49 | Wicked_ | oh there it goes >.> |
| 04:08.57 | Wicked_ | it works |
| 04:09.04 | Wicked_ | 1337 hax FTW |
| 04:14.39 | Wicked_ | hey, is there anyway to switch from the zaurus os to opie? |
| 04:14.40 | Wicked_ | at will |
| 04:15.20 | Kevin` | doesn't OZ have opie? |
| 04:15.54 | Kevin` | oh |
| 04:15.59 | Kevin` | nm, read that wrong |
| 04:16.01 | Wicked_ | heh |
| 04:16.41 | Wicked_ | hmm |
| 04:17.06 | Kevin` | is there an openoffice package for oz? or at least something that can read powerpoint presentations? |
| 04:18.28 | Wicked_ | hmm |
| 04:18.44 | Wicked_ | the Zaurus sharp rom seems to be more oriented to what I could use during school |
| 04:19.00 | Wicked_ | where as the openzaurus one just looks/is cool |
| 04:19.58 | Wicked_ | meh |
| 04:19.58 | Wicked_ | nvm |
| 04:20.02 | Kevin` | well does the sharp rom have remote desktop, an ssh client, kismet, firefox, .. |
| 04:20.11 | Wicked_ | no it doesn't >.> |
| 04:20.16 | Wicked_ | OZ has firefox/ |
| 04:20.22 | Kevin` | that's about what I use during school :) |
| 04:20.23 | Wicked_ | couldn't find it in the package manager |
| 04:20.38 | Kevin` | would like to have something that reads powerpoint though |
| 04:21.51 | Kevin` | just do ipkg install firefox |
| 04:21.54 | Wicked_ | yea, that would be nice furing school |
| 04:22.04 | Wicked_ | great |
| 04:22.10 | Wicked_ | konquerer sucks |
| 04:22.41 | Kevin` | couldn't find ethereal though, that kinda made me sad |
| 04:23.08 | Wicked_ | meh, I could never figure out how to use ethereal |
| 04:23.15 | Wicked_ | on windows that is |
| 04:23.32 | Wicked_ | but still, I have no idea how to get packets, other than the ones from my computer |
| 04:24.11 | Kevin` | it's really most useful as a troubleshooting tool, rather then a hacking tool |
| 04:30.30 | Wicked_ | meh, I dont want it as hacking, exactly |
| 04:30.31 | Wicked_ | just something I can use to learn more |
| 04:30.33 | Kevin` | if you use a hub you can view all traffic |
| 04:30.48 | Wicked_ | aw |
| 04:30.54 | Wicked_ | I couldn't figure out how to do that though |
| 04:30.56 | Wicked_ | or |
| 04:31.08 | Wicked_ | did that just happen by defualt? |
| 04:31.15 | Wicked_ | I only tried it on like, 1 computer |
| 04:31.50 | Kevin` | Wicked_ most all modern networking equiptment won't deliver all packets to all computers |
| 04:31.59 | Kevin` | it's horribly inneficient to do that |
| 04:32.04 | Kevin` | (unless you have some reason to) |
| 04:32.37 | Wicked_ | yea, I can understand why it would be inefficient to do that |
| 04:32.47 | Wicked_ | thats why I couldn't figure out why ethereal worked |
| 04:32.51 | Wicked_ | >.> |
| 04:33.30 | Kevin` | there are software ways around that, to trick all computers to send to you for example |
| 04:34.08 | Kevin` | but once you start doing that your causing other problems, so it's really only a hacking thing =p |
| 04:34.37 | Kevin` | I think you can tell some switches to forward all traffic to a certain port |
| 04:39.45 | Wicked_ | aw |
| 04:40.31 | Wicked_ | is there any usefull way of using the IRda thing? |
| 04:58.10 | Wicked_ | Kevin`, it can't find firefox >.> |
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| 05:28.26 | pgas | oz/gpe has firefox |
| 05:28.42 | pgas | oz/opie is not X based so no firefox |
| 05:29.07 | pgas | Wicked_: you have restored your 1000 with a 3200 nand? |
| 05:30.06 | pgas | http://www.trisoft.de/en_c1000howto.htm <there you'll find a nand backup for 1000 |
| 05:30.25 | Kevin` | I thought he found a c1000 one |
| 05:30.34 | Kevin` | 3200 wouldn't even fit, would it? |
| 05:30.58 | Kevin` | (I think not fitting would have caused some kind of error) |
| 05:31.27 | pgas | hmm fit yes, at least you have to rename the file |
| 05:31.35 | pgas | then it depends.. |
| 05:31.58 | Kevin` | which of the clamshells has less flash? |
| 05:32.19 | pgas | the 3000 |
| 05:32.21 | Kevin` | ah |
| 05:32.31 | pgas | (and some older models) |
| 05:33.35 | Wicked_ | I got the c1000 nand |
| 05:33.44 | Wicked_ | I think I might switch to gpe just for firefox :/ |
| 05:33.55 | Wicked_ | is there any really major difference? |
| 05:34.09 | Kevin` | I have to admit, i never even tried opie.. i really like having X |
| 05:34.10 | pgas | apart that it's completely different? |
| 05:34.16 | Wicked_ | . |
| 05:34.17 | Wicked_ | >.> |
| 05:34.18 | Wicked_ | I mean |
| 05:34.37 | Wicked_ | will I still have the same range of applications I have on opie on gpe? |
| 05:34.44 | pgas | opie is a fork from qtopia |
| 05:35.04 | pgas | so it looks like the original software |
| 05:35.11 | Kevin` | what kind of applications do you need? |
| 05:35.39 | Kevin` | hm you can run both at the same time, too, if you wanted |
| 05:35.39 | pgas | for what gpe? gpe is a desktop env like say gnome over X windows |
| 05:35.39 | Wicked_ | I don't really need any applications |
| 05:35.43 | Kevin` | probably uses a lot of ram |
| 05:35.50 | Wicked_ | I preffer x windows >.> |
| 05:35.56 | pgas | not really |
| 05:36.45 | pgas | Kevin`: it's more the applications that you use afterwards that were designed for normal desktop pc that uses a lot of ram |
| 05:37.40 | Kevin` | I mean running 2 desktop environments at the same time.. doesn't that use quite a bit of ram? |
| 05:38.02 | Kevin` | oh, is there openoffice for openzaurus? |
| 05:38.24 | pgas | ah yes this uses a bit of ram |
| 05:38.52 | pgas | see what's available there http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/fb/ (x11 and gpe) |
| 05:38.53 | Kevin` | I want it to view powerpoint presentations |
| 05:39.02 | pgas | Kevin`: no |
| 05:39.22 | pgas | there is an openoffice 1.something compiled for debian/arm |
| 05:39.36 | pgas | some people uses it under x/qt under qtopia |
| 05:40.23 | pgas | you can also run it in a chrooted debian (using pocketworkstation for instance) under oz if you want |
| 05:41.11 | Kevin` | hm |
| 05:42.36 | pgas | http://openzaurus.berlios.de/Opie_vs_GPE |
| 05:43.00 | Wicked_ | im out, night guys |
| 05:43.09 | Wicked_ | thanks for the help =D |
| 05:44.33 | Kevin` | irc is addictive |
| 05:45.09 | Kevin` | I could be starting my laptop to install pocketworkstation, but instead i'm sitting here, doing nothing but irc |
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| 06:14.03 | Necronom | Aha! There is a "make arm" targetg for the rt2570 package. |
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| 10:48.03 | Varoudis|Laptop | hello again :) anyone to have done GPE+opie in the same system? |
| 10:48.18 | hrw|work | .cr |
| 10:48.38 | zedkatuf | Varoudis|Laptop - yes |
| 10:48.46 | zedkatuf | various apm issues though |
| 10:48.58 | zedkatuf | you need to log in to gpe |
| 10:49.02 | zedkatuf | & then switch back to opie |
| 10:49.31 | zedkatuf | .if you don't, then gpe causes screen blank in opie after a short while |
| 10:49.57 | Varoudis|Laptop | I only need opie if I run qpegps |
| 10:50.09 | zedkatuf | ok, that's easier then! |
| 10:50.23 | Varoudis|Laptop | how can I do it? |
| 10:50.34 | zedkatuf | Well, I cheated |
| 10:50.41 | zedkatuf | I installed hentges gpe 3541 |
| 10:50.50 | zedkatuf | & then ipkg install'ed opie |
| 10:51.20 | Varoudis|Laptop | ipkg install opie?? |
| 10:51.36 | hrw|work | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/fb/ |
| 10:51.49 | *** topic/#openzaurus by hrw|work -> OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://www.openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | Current release: 3.5.4/3.5.4.1 | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ | Feed browser: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/fb/ |
| 10:51.57 | pgas | Varoudis|Laptop: seen http://wiki.openzaurus.org/HowTos/OPIE_and_GPE ? i think there is a thread also |
| 10:52.22 | zedkatuf | Varoudis|Laptop - yes, that more or less works without any mods to what it says |
| 10:52.25 | zedkatuf | IIRC |
| 10:52.59 | Varoudis|Laptop | pgas, the howto is for someone with opie... I have a gpe based system |
| 10:53.27 | zedkatuf | Varoudis|Laptop: might be ipkg install opie-base |
| 10:53.34 | zedkatuf | or opie-something-or-other |
| 10:53.43 | zedkatuf | ..which pulls in everything else |
| 10:53.44 | Kerwood | hrw|work: I saw a bit of that list night but you went to bed before I could say, "awesome!" |
| 10:53.49 | zedkatuf | CireDump is your man here |
| 10:53.51 | Kerwood | s/list/last/ |
| 10:54.02 | zedkatuf | CireDump=CoreDump |
| 10:54.16 | Varoudis|Laptop | zedkatuf, then how to I start it in other VT? |
| 10:54.22 | hrw|work | Kerwood: it was changed a lot yesterday and a bit today |
| 10:54.38 | zedkatuf | in the wiki there's details of a shell script you can write |
| 10:54.42 | zedkatuf | or just do chvt 2 |
| 10:54.45 | zedkatuf | chvt 3 |
| 10:54.52 | zedkatuf | to switch between gpe & opie |
| 10:54.55 | zedkatuf | from cmndline |
| 10:55.39 | Varoudis|Laptop | lets see :) |
| 10:55.40 | zedkatuf | ...my main problem with opie & gpe at same time was that sometimes gpe would crash whilst I was doing something quite intensive in opie |
| 10:55.49 | zedkatuf | .but I guess that won't be an issue for you |
| 10:55.55 | zedkatuf | as you're working in gpe most of the time |
| 10:56.24 | zedkatuf | ...I just couldn't allow crashing to happen at all as I need gnumeric for my school markbook (I'm a teacher) |
| 10:56.26 | Kerwood | hrw|work: many non-network apps are in the main network category. Why? |
| 10:56.47 | hrw|work | Kerwood: because thats how sections in OE was done |
| 10:56.54 | hrw|work | Kerwood: we need to clean it.. |
| 10:56.56 | Kerwood | ok |
| 10:58.17 | Kerwood | still, it's quite well-done and will certainly impress potential OZ or OE-derived users |
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| 11:14.06 | max06|Zaurus | good morning :) |
| 11:14.42 | max06|Zaurus | I just finished installing opie ... but now I want to know how to unzip a zip-file? |
| 11:15.51 | hrw|work | ipkg install unzip;unzip x file.zip |
| 11:16.32 | max06|Zaurus | i did that... but i couldn't install unzip |
| 11:17.11 | hrw|work | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/fb/?action=details&pnm=unzip |
| 11:17.18 | hrw|work | unzip IS in 3.5.4 and in 3.5.4.1 |
| 11:17.26 | hrw|work | ipkg update;ipkg install unzip |
| 11:17.33 | max06|Zaurus | I did... |
| 11:21.16 | max06|Zaurus | the installation takes a very long time... |
| 11:22.06 | hrw|work | lot of packages makes ipkg slow |
| 11:30.12 | pgas | max06|Zaurus: alternatively download the package by hand and ipkg install unzipxxx.ipk |
| 11:31.24 | max06|Zaurus | moment |
| 11:34.16 | max06|Zaurus | that takes very long, too |
| 11:34.41 | pgas | have a beer, come and chat :) |
| 11:35.24 | max06|Zaurus | I'm holding a beer im my left hand and I'm chatting, too :) |
| 11:38.46 | max06|Zaurus | brb |
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| 14:15.07 | ibot | coredump|home is currently on #gpe (2d 8h 47m 21s) #oe (2d 8h 47m 21s) #openzaurus (2d 8h 47m 21s), last said: '~lartv woglinde '. |
| 14:16.28 | agaffney | well, my collie seems to like this SD card. I've got a nice loopback install on the SD card and it hasn't blown up yet :P |
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| 15:43.49 | Varoudis|Laptop | have anyone use gpsdrive? |
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| 15:54.01 | Wicked_ | wheres is the moveRootToSd.sh script? on the wiki, it says that it is on the attachment tab at the top, but I see nothing >.> |
| 16:13.14 | azgor | Will I want a swap partition when I put OZ on my SL-C3200? If so, how big? 64MB? 128? |
| 16:14.13 | azgor | The installation instructions don't suggest that I create a swap partition at all. |
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| 17:06.10 | Wicked_ | so far I like gpe better |
| 17:06.19 | Wicked_ | it has a volume control >.> |
| 17:11.33 | hobbs | er |
| 17:11.57 | hobbs | GPE has a volume control that _doesn't work_. Opie has one that generally _does_, last time I looked ;) |
| 17:12.27 | Wicked_ | oh |
| 17:12.34 | Wicked_ | well I couldn't find the one for opie >.> |
| 17:13.08 | Wicked_ | I like gpe better I think ;s |
| 17:14.47 | hobbs | It was the jigger in the taskbar with the speaker icon ;) |
| 17:14.47 | hobbs | but yeah, I'm beginning to like GPE better myself |
| 17:14.59 | hobbs | but there's still some bits that are rough |
| 17:14.59 | Wicked_ | I don't really like KDE that much D= |
| 17:15.05 | Wicked_ | yea |
| 17:15.07 | hobbs | what does KDE have to do with anything? |
| 17:15.45 | azgor | opie =? kde-embedded? |
| 17:15.55 | Wicked_ | I thought opie was kde |
| 17:15.55 | Wicked_ | er |
| 17:15.58 | Wicked_ | related to it |
| 17:15.59 | Wicked_ | I dont know |
| 17:16.01 | Wicked_ | nvm >.> |
| 17:16.09 | azgor | well, analagous to, at least |
| 17:16.46 | Wicked_ | <_< |
| 17:17.05 | hobbs | Wicked_: not really. There are a couple KDE-related apps that are ported to opie, but you have to tear out 99% of KDE :) |
| 17:17.23 | azgor | opie is a fork of qtopia which is qt-embedded. whereas qt is what kde uses on the desktop. but that doesn't make opie = kde |
| 17:17.26 | Wicked_ | aw |
| 17:17.42 | Wicked_ | I'm still really new to, well, all of linux in general |
| 17:22.17 | azgor | what is the difference between using the backup/restore applet that comes with the sharp rom, vs. the nand flash backup/restore feature of the bios? the former only backs-up/restores a single file while the latter backs-up/restores the entire flash chip? |
| 17:24.08 | hobbs | yeah, the backup/restore app just backs up various files on the user partition. the NAND flash tools copy the entire flash (system apps, kernel, and all), and also take about a year |
| 17:24.24 | hobbs | restoring one of those is potentially useful if you screw up your entire operating system :) |
| 17:24.56 | azgor | aha. good to know. :) |
| 17:25.35 | azgor | how long is a year? |
| 17:25.49 | azgor | 12 hours? 1 hour? |
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| 17:26.10 | hobbs | under an hour. It's just slow :) |
| 17:26.25 | hobbs | way longer than it _should_ take to move 128MB of data anywhere :) |
| 17:26.30 | azgor | ok |
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| 17:38.57 | iamliam | Wicked_. |
| 17:39.16 | Wicked_ | hm? |
| 17:39.24 | iamliam | PMage |
| 17:39.26 | iamliam | on IBO |
| 17:39.32 | iamliam | <_< |
| 17:39.34 | Wicked_ | this isn't the channel to talk |
| 17:39.38 | iamliam | I knows. |
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| 17:40.15 | Wicked_ | sorry about that :s |
| 17:43.15 | azgor | will the nand flash backup overwrite my entire CF card? or will it simply create a file in the root of it or in Backup_Files ? |
| 17:44.24 | hobbs | azgor: creates a file |
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| 17:50.56 | D4rkly | hi does anyone want to help port (J2ME)CLDC + MIDP2.0 to zaurus ? |
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| 18:15.38 | azgor | are the handwriting recognition and text-to-speech features that ship with the zaurus (SL-C3200) proprietary? or are they also present in OZ with opie or gpe? |
| 18:17.51 | Laibsch | Can anybody confirm that they have a working 1GB SD card in their collie? I have problems with my Kingston card and Kingston support voiced the opinion that the collie only supports 256MB cards anyway. |
| 18:24.15 | agaffney | Laibsch: I do |
| 18:24.21 | agaffney | I had a problem with my Kingston 1GB |
| 18:24.33 | agaffney | I got an a-data 50x 1GB card and it works great |
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| 18:25.25 | Laibsch | agaffney: Thanks for confirming. This is an SD card, right? |
| 18:25.33 | Laibsch | Sorry to be obnoxious ;-) |
| 18:25.34 | mimecar | evening guys |
| 18:25.44 | Laibsch | mimecar: Evening. |
| 18:26.59 | Laibsch | agaffney: Oh, and a collie, right? |
| 18:29.28 | agaffney | Laibsch: yes, SD flash and a Collie |
| 18:29.42 | Laibsch | agaffney: Thanks. |
| 18:29.49 | mimecar | collie is a little model |
| 18:29.55 | mimecar | brick size :) |
| 18:29.56 | agaffney | Laibsch: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820211309 |
| 18:30.11 | agaffney | I bought that one at the recommendation of another collie user |
| 18:30.20 | mimecar | is cheap |
| 18:30.26 | agaffney | yep |
| 18:30.33 | agaffney | I'm running my entire system off of it |
| 18:30.35 | agaffney | loopback install |
| 18:31.03 | mimecar | is the best option for collie device |
| 18:31.51 | mimecar | agaffney: have you free space on the card ? |
| 18:33.58 | agaffney | mimecar: a lot :P |
| 18:34.13 | agaffney | I'm only using ~24MB within my loopback image |
| 18:34.16 | agaffney | which is 300MB |
| 18:34.23 | agaffney | still leaving ~700MB free on the SD card |
| 18:34.24 | mimecar | ok |
| 18:34.37 | mimecar | I use all the space for the loopback |
| 18:34.57 | mimecar | but I don't know I can install now |
| 18:35.37 | hobbs | I'm the one that recommended that card, yeah, it's cheap, but it really is a good card. I'm still using it in my akita (my collie is pretty much retired) |
| 18:36.19 | mimecar | hobbs: akita is better than collie |
| 18:36.25 | mimecar | I want one ... |
| 18:36.29 | hobbs | no kidding ;) |
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| 18:41.21 | Laibsch | agaffney and hobbs: Thanks for the comment. I'll get one if I can pick it up in .de But it seems like it is a rather obscure brand so the chances are slim. |
| 18:41.51 | hobbs | it's an "off brand", but they're not that uncommon |
| 18:42.29 | wpiku | evolution exchange support sucks ...... |
| 18:44.51 | Laibsch | hobbs: Indeed, it does seem to be available. Maybe I can even get it cheaply. Thanks for the hint. The lifetime warranty on the Kingston sure was nice but I guess, anything more than the two years we get by default is not much of a killer argument. |
| 19:04.18 | Laibsch | hobbs and agaffney: I want to update http://wiki.openzaurus.org/FAQ#SD_Card_related_questions and include info that the Kingston seems to be problematic and that the A-DATA card works. Is it OK if I include your IRC nicks there? |
| 19:04.44 | hobbs | Laibsch: sure, go for it |
| 19:09.00 | agaffney | Laibsch: sure |
| 19:14.28 | Laibsch | OK, then it is done. |
| 19:31.01 | azgor | should I do a nand backup before starting the OZ install? |
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| 19:35.06 | Laibsch | OK, similar question to the SD card one: Is there a size limit for the CF slot? I want to transfer lots of big dictionaries to my Z. I often use the CF slot for WLAN but less important dicts could be stored there. |
| 19:35.31 | baldurk | hey, I have a collie running (I think an old) 3.5.3. I don't want to flash to 3.5.4.1 because my only storage is an SD card. Is my only option for upgrading to wait until it's supported? |
| 19:38.01 | Laibsch | baldurk: I would assume so. You can run 3.5.4, though. |
| 19:38.47 | Laibsch | baldurk: I think the chance is there that SD on collie with kernel 2.6 will never be supported. But then, I hope I am wrong on this account. |
| 19:39.22 | baldurk | I thought 3.5.4 was clamshell only? maybe I misread the news post |
| 19:39.42 | baldurk | oh wait no, I was confusing that with 3.5.4.1 sorry |
| 19:47.12 | JustinP | 3.5.4 supports collie on 2.4 kernel |
| 19:47.31 | JustinP | 2.6 kernel does not have SD (or MMC) support for collie due to the closed nature of the chip |
| 19:47.42 | JustinP | (and the driver, which is binary only) |
| 19:48.12 | baldurk | yeh I confused the version numbers. Now I just need to find my compactflash card so I can actually flash 3.5.4 onto it.. |
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| 19:58.22 | Greg2 | hello all |
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| 20:48.10 | mimecar | re |
| 20:51.25 | mimecar | what's the file with the ipkg feeds ? |
| 20:52.01 | pgas | Packages? |
| 20:52.09 | mimecar | yes |
| 20:52.21 | mimecar | i want add an extra feed for install programs |
| 20:53.02 | pgas | you want to know what? how to generate it or what is it's function? |
| 20:53.23 | mimecar | there's a file with the feed adress |
| 20:53.57 | pgas | ah where to configure the feeds. it was /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 20:54.02 | mimecar | ok |
| 20:54.17 | pgas | but I think oz now also use some files in /etc/ipkg/ |
| 20:54.20 | mimecar | another question |
| 20:54.31 | mimecar | I'm going to see it now |
| 20:54.47 | mimecar | can I block a package for not updating ? |
| 20:55.04 | pgas | hmm |
| 20:55.05 | mimecar | I don't want the hostap ipkg |
| 20:55.16 | mimecar | I don't want update..... |
| 20:55.22 | pgas | after you have done ipkg update |
| 20:55.40 | mimecar | ipkg upgrade |
| 20:55.45 | mimecar | sorry |
| 20:55.49 | pgas | you can go and edit the list in /usr/lib/ipkg/ |
| 20:56.01 | pgas | and delete the entry corresponding to hostap |
| 20:56.08 | mimecar | ok |
| 20:56.14 | pgas | this way ipkg won't find the hostap package |
| 20:56.24 | mimecar | interesting |
| 20:56.30 | flux | genial |
| 20:56.44 | flux | i wouldn't have think about that |
| 20:56.49 | mimecar | flux: genial? are you spanish ? |
| 20:56.52 | pgas | in /usr/lib/ipkg you'll find the Packages file of you feed but renamed with the name you gave in /etc/ipkg |
| 20:56.55 | flux | no, french |
| 20:56.59 | mimecar | ok |
| 20:57.28 | pgas | salut flux :) |
| 20:57.50 | flux | hola pgas :) ca va ? |
| 20:58.07 | pgas | voui |
| 20:58.21 | flux | j'ai fini par migrer sous OZ aussi... |
| 20:58.34 | mimecar | xDDD |
| 20:59.18 | pgas | pas moi. I have cacko at this time...but I don't use my Z too much these days |
| 20:59.33 | mimecar | pgas: me to |
| 21:00.43 | flux | pgas: do you remember (or still have somewhere) the /etc/X11 of pdaxrom-beta2 ... i'm looking for script + config file that tells " MOUSE_BUTTON_2_EMULATION="keycode_xx" " ... because i don't like xmonobut... |
| 21:00.55 | pgas | http://www.callme.nm.ru/schild.swf?namee=we+love+OZ |
| 21:01.12 | flux | and would like to try to try it on OZ |
| 21:01.34 | pgas | flux: it won't work for OZ, I think sashz had hack the X server for this to work |
| 21:01.38 | mimecar | pgas: /usr/lib/ipkg haven't files |
| 21:02.02 | flux | pgas: ok |
| 21:02.10 | pgas | mimecar: hmmm, maybe the place has changed |
| 21:02.14 | flux | mimecar: /etc/ipkg |
| 21:02.20 | flux | mimecar: /var/lib/ipkg |
| 21:02.20 | mimecar | let's see |
| 21:02.21 | pgas | mimecar: you have done ipkg update right? |
| 21:02.24 | flux | (iirc) |
| 21:02.38 | pgas | ah flux maybe right |
| 21:02.39 | mimecar | yes |
| 21:02.45 | mimecar | upgrade give me the problem |
| 21:02.47 | flux | for pgas hack, /var/lib/ipkg .... for add feed, /etc/ipkg |
| 21:06.01 | mimecar | let's install python :) |
| 21:09.38 | Laibsch | OK, similar question to the SD card one: Is there a size limit for the CF slot? I want to transfer lots of big dictionaries to my Z. I often use the CF slot for WLAN but less important dicts could be stored there. Where are the people with big CF cards on the collie? What is your max? |
| 21:10.11 | pgas | I don't think there is a limit |
| 21:10.38 | mimecar | Laibsch: why don't you use a sd card ? |
| 21:11.30 | Laibsch | mimecar: I do. But that one is "only" 1 Gig (if I find one that works). I am looking into several Gigs possibly (think wikipedia, etc.) |
| 21:11.41 | mimecar | ok |
| 21:11.49 | Laibsch | pgas: Do you have a CF card? |
| 21:11.56 | mimecar | the maximum for collie on sd is 1 GB |
| 21:12.06 | Laibsch | mimecar: right. |
| 21:12.11 | pgas | not a big one and not a collie but yes |
| 21:12.24 | mimecar | I don't know if CF card has the same problem |
| 21:12.44 | hobbs | Laibsch: I could try putting my 8GB microdrive in my collie tonight and tell you. I don't _believe_ there's a size issue though |
| 21:12.46 | flux | Laibsch: a friend told me that on his sl-6000, he puts CF 4Go ... he doesn't know if more is allright, but 4Go works |
| 21:12.50 | mimecar | but it's very posible |
| 21:12.54 | Laibsch | mimecar: I doubt it. The problem for the SD is the closed driver. CF does not need a driver. |
| 21:13.01 | pgas | afaik there is no limit for cf |
| 21:13.05 | mimecar | ok Laibsch |
| 21:13.08 | hobbs | yeah, CF storage cards appear as IDE |
| 21:13.18 | JustinP | CF is just PCMCIA which supports basically any IDE device |
| 21:13.30 | mimecar | interesting |
| 21:13.31 | Laibsch | hobbs: Would be nice. But I will do CF because of the battery issue. |
| 21:14.05 | hobbs | there's probably a 160GB limit, if we ever get there :) |
| 21:14.06 | hobbs | Laibsch: I mean, just for testing purposes |
| 21:14.06 | mimecar | hobbs: do you want run an emule server on zaurus ;) |
| 21:14.13 | Laibsch | mimecar: why not? |
| 21:14.14 | Laibsch | ;-) |
| 21:14.22 | flux | he he :) |
| 21:14.37 | mimecar | the server's name |
| 21:14.48 | mimecar | Zaurus-windows :P |
| 21:15.20 | pgas | amule is in the pdaxrom feed IIRC... |
| 21:15.28 | mimecar | really ??? |
| 21:15.55 | flux | hum... talking about windows... |
| 21:16.03 | flux | sl-c3200 comes with windows ? |
| 21:16.08 | mimecar | NO |
| 21:16.11 | flux | http://www.sarutek.com/pda/c3200/page-04.jpg |
| 21:16.35 | flux | at the 1/3 of the page, on the right... |
| 21:16.37 | mimecar | OS: windows XP |
| 21:16.38 | mimecar | ? |
| 21:16.39 | mimecar | :P |
| 21:16.43 | flux | "OS" ... windows XP |
| 21:17.01 | pgas | ehe for the sync software probably |
| 21:17.01 | hobbs | mimecar: that's the system requirements, looks like |
| 21:17.05 | mimecar | it's a mistake |
| 21:17.13 | flux | pgas: hum... probably |
| 21:17.22 | hobbs | mimecar: no, it's not ;) |
| 21:17.42 | mimecar | I saw windows 3.1 on a zaurus |
| 21:18.01 | mimecar | pygtk is installed.... |
| 21:18.03 | mimecar | le's test |
| 21:18.16 | pgas | I think some guys had booted win95 on qemu on zaurus... |
| 21:18.28 | flux | i hope it was for the "exploit" to put it... and not to run it all the days... |
| 21:21.14 | pgas | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=9651 |
| 21:21.39 | Laibsch | hobbs and agaffney: Do you have your adata card handy? Does it have an EAN number? I found a store close by that sells it: http://www.cssc.de/produktinformationen.php?produkt=15463 and want to make sure it is the same card. The EAN number is 4710423346406 |
| 21:21.45 | pgas | http://www.its.caltech.edu/þzer-jen/zbochs/index.html |
| 21:22.04 | Laibsch | I think http://www.dealtime.com/xPO-A_Data_Technology_A_Data_1GB_Secure_Digital_Card_4710423346406 also lists the corresponding UPC and Product ID codes if you can find those and not EAN. |
| 21:22.06 | mimecar | oo, seg fault on my program |
| 21:22.12 | pgas | http://www.its.caltech.edu/~tzer-jen/zbochs/index.html |
| 21:23.35 | hobbs | Laibsch: sorry, no |
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| 21:31.52 | pgas | night |
| 21:31.59 | mimecar | night |
| 21:33.37 | mimecar | do fluxbox run on zaurus ? |
| 21:33.53 | flux | pgas: 'night |
| 21:34.12 | flux | mimecar: i tried fluxbox-gpe that comes with ipkg. |
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| 21:34.28 | mimecar | that's the version I saw |
| 21:34.56 | flux | i tried, with matchbox, to have the "xmonobut" in order to be able to "right click" |
| 21:35.04 | mimecar | I can install gimp on collie |
| 21:35.07 | mimecar | ..... |
| 21:35.32 | flux | i tried to build the last version 1.0 |
| 21:36.02 | flux | i couldn't :( |
| 21:36.16 | mimecar | you have a compiled version |
| 21:36.22 | mimecar | for the latest version |
| 21:36.25 | flux | i'll see it after my exam |
| 21:36.31 | flux | no, build from sources |
| 21:36.43 | flux | but it failed |
| 21:36.55 | flux | didn't understand why |
| 21:37.23 | mimecar | abiword crash |
| 21:38.50 | hobbs | mimecar: by the way, the heading above where it says "OS: Windows XP etc" says "Requirements for link to personal computer" :) |
| 21:39.04 | mimecar | did you found a japanese translator ? |
| 21:39.38 | mimecar | do anyone run gpe on another language than english ? |
| 21:39.46 | hobbs | I used wwwjdic, after entering in the text myself :) |
| 21:40.33 | flux | mimecar: this is the error where the "./configure" ends when i tried to build fluxbox 1.0 |
| 21:40.36 | flux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.47 | hobbs | flux: look at config.log and find out why |
| 21:40.55 | flux | (just before, it was : checking for gcc yes ) |
| 21:41.24 | flux | hobbs: i looked, but all that don't speak to me very much. |
| 21:41.41 | flux | i thought maybe that it was because fluxbox is written in C++ |
| 21:41.53 | flux | and i would need "g++" |
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| 21:41.58 | hobbs | flux: well find the part where it tells you the error that gcc gave anyway. |
| 21:42.44 | flux | but, as i'm having exam next week, i decided to look deeper on 1st september |
| 21:43.02 | mimeca1 | flux: good luck with exams |
| 21:43.06 | hobbs | it's funny, besides "PC" the japanese are likely to write "PASOCON" in katakana :) |
| 21:44.03 | flux | mimeca1: :) |
| 21:46.28 | flux | gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `as' : no such file or directory |
| 21:46.34 | hobbs | there we go |
| 21:46.45 | flux | yep |
| 21:46.46 | hobbs | install... binutils and binutils-symlinks, I believe |
| 21:47.23 | flux | ok :) thx a lot :) |
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| 21:47.43 | Wicked_ | how would I download things from the net onto my zaurus? <.< konquerer and the other mini browser sucks |
| 21:47.53 | flux | Wicked_: wget |
| 21:48.17 | mimeca2 | Wicked_: what's mini browser, gpe version ? |
| 21:48.25 | flux | dillo2 ? |
| 21:48.31 | Wicked_ | yes, gpe version |
| 21:48.48 | mimeca2 | gpe mini browser runs ok on my collie |
| 21:48.49 | Wicked_ | I don't know if I want to switch to opie |
| 21:48.53 | Wicked_ | I want firefox >.> |
| 21:48.57 | Wicked_ | it runs fine |
| 21:49.00 | flux | Wicked_: maybe try dillo (or firefox... but firefox... heavy heavy...) |
| 21:49.01 | Wicked_ | it just doesn't download files |
| 21:50.01 | flux | Wicked_: so "copy link location" with your FF, and then, in a shell, just : wget -c <paste link location> |
| 21:50.02 | mimeca2 | how can i change the locale ? |
| 21:50.15 | flux | (i know, that's not a "beautiful method") |
| 21:50.41 | flux | mimeca2: add to your ipkg feed the one to your locale ... |
| 21:50.51 | mimeca2 | I did it |
| 21:50.51 | flux | (for me : http://........../locale/fr |
| 21:50.59 | mimeca2 | and I can select spanish on login |
| 21:51.08 | mimeca2 | but apps doesn't change the language |
| 21:51.12 | mimeca2 | should I reboot the pda ? |
| 21:51.34 | Wicked_ | flux, how do I copy in the terminal? <.< |
| 21:51.45 | flux | mimeca2: you have to install all package-es that exist on your system and that aren't downloaded/installed for the moment |
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| 21:52.04 | flux | Wicked_: surligne with stylus |
| 21:52.07 | mimeca2 | for all the apps ? |
| 21:52.14 | flux | and then "middle click" with stylus |
| 21:52.27 | flux | that need to start "xmonobut" ... |
| 21:52.32 | Wicked_ | aw |
| 21:52.41 | flux | mimeca2: for all apps that have been translated, yes |
| 21:52.48 | mimeca2 | ok |
| 21:53.46 | Wicked_ | how do I install a ipk file? |
| 21:53.46 | Wicked_ | >_> |
| 21:53.48 | flux | look in your package-manager... apps-es ... (for french, there is lots that i had to install) |
| 21:53.56 | mimeca2 | ipkg install file |
| 21:53.57 | Wicked_ | in my packet manager? |
| 21:54.08 | Wicked_ | sorry for being a burdon >.> |
| 21:54.13 | mimeca2 | Wicked_: you can use the package manager or the console |
| 21:54.46 | mimeca2 | flux: I installed the most important (with the terminal) |
| 21:55.00 | YoG | Hi, I'm trying to run qplot on 3.5.4.1 (from the feeds) and I'm getting "QPlot was terminated due to signal code SIGABRT", does anyone knows anything about this? |
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| 21:55.18 | mimeca2 | YoG: have you launch the program from terminal ? |
| 21:56.04 | YoG | mimeca2: yes it returns without any message |
| 21:56.18 | flux | 'later :) |
| 21:59.13 | Kerwood | YoG: yes, I was pretty much shut down when I looked into it |
| 22:00.17 | Kerwood | YoG: The problem seems related to the reassignment of stdin and stdout fds when setting up communications with bc |
| 22:00.31 | YoG | Kerwood: ? |
| 22:01.24 | Kerwood | I tried to run it with gdb to find the place it failed, but I saw really odd behavior, as though the two processes were getting confused by gdb |
| 22:01.48 | YoG | Kerwood: So... in simple words, it doesn't work... |
| 22:01.57 | Kerwood | I gave up because I'd never debugged with gdb to that depth |
| 22:02.33 | YoG | shuldn't it be taken of the feeds? |
| 22:02.33 | Kerwood | well, right, it doesn't work right now, although there doesn't seem to be any good reason for it NOT to work -- very frustrating |
| 22:03.33 | YoG | well... thats too bad because it looks like a very good app. |
| 22:03.41 | Kerwood | from the OZ guys point of view, no, because while it complies OK but doesn't run, someday it will, so it's kept on the list of apps |
| 22:04.31 | YoG | thanx anyway |
| 22:05.29 | Kerwood | I had hoped that Kcalc might be easily adapted to the qt/e environment. When I run out of important things to do I'll look into it. :) |
| 22:06.53 | YoG | somebody mentioned slcalc, but it doesn't look as good as qplot |
| 22:39.10 | mimeca2 | do gcc run on zaurus ? |
| 22:39.58 | mimeca2 | I have installed, but I can't find it |
| 22:40.20 | flux | it's called "linux-arm-gcc" |
| 22:40.42 | mimeca2 | i wrote |
| 22:40.43 | flux | install gcc-sym (or stuff like that) |
| 22:40.46 | mimeca2 | ipkg install gcc |
| 22:41.12 | mimeca2 | ipkg downloads the package, but i lost it :P |
| 22:41.19 | flux | ipkg install gcc -> /usr/bin/linux-arm-gcc |
| 22:41.30 | mimeca2 | ok |
| 22:41.36 | mimeca2 | binary name is linux... |
| 22:41.58 | flux | mimeca2: ipkg install gcc-symlinks |
| 22:42.10 | flux | and you'll get your /usr/bin/gcc |
| 22:42.21 | mimeca2 | ok |
| 22:42.25 | mimeca2 | one moment |
| 22:43.19 | flux | hum ... not "linux-arm-gcc" ... but "arm-linux-gcc" ... excuse me ^^ |
| 22:44.18 | mimeca2 | running... |
| 22:44.44 | mimeca2 | I coul not run pygtk |
| 22:44.51 | mimeca2 | it give me a seg fault |
| 22:47.13 | mimeca2 | night all |
| 22:47.16 | *** part/#openzaurus mimeca2 (n=Miguel@53.Red-83-42-116.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 23:24.14 | *** join/#openzaurus azgor (i=azgor@gateway/tor/x-f8d5b15b38ff721d) |
| 23:36.58 | Wicked_ | hey guys, I have a small problem |
| 23:37.28 | Wicked_ | when I go to install either OS, (Opie or GPE) I get an error |
| 23:37.34 | Wicked_ | unoftunatly it's in japanase |
| 23:37.37 | Wicked_ | and I cannot read it |
| 23:37.46 | Wicked_ | does anyone know what the error could possibly mean? |
| 23:38.34 | Wicked_ | I get the same error when I don't have the flash card in D= |
| 23:38.44 | Wicked_ | er |
| 23:38.45 | Wicked_ | SD |
| 23:38.53 | Wicked_ | which is odd, becuase I've tried 2 different card |
| 23:39.13 | Wicked_ | wich leads me to believe that it has something to do with my zaurus |
| 23:39.32 | JustinP | Wicked_: plug in your AC |
| 23:39.42 | JustinP | Wicked_: You have ot have AC plugged in to flash |
| 23:49.57 | Wicked_ | oh crap |
| 23:50.01 | Wicked_ | haha |
