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00:19.10Wicked_is there any way to use the irda thing for something useful
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00:31.55joshinIs openzaurus big endian or little endian?  (I thought it was big endian)
00:40.45JiniDogdepends on the CPU
00:40.52JiniDogcat /proc/cpuinfo
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02:13.28nilhi everyone
02:13.54nilI'm enjoying my Zaurus 3200, bought and flashed last week
02:14.07nilbut I have a few questions...
02:14.23nil-> how to access the linux virtual terminals?
02:15.05nil(usually accessed by Alt-F1, Alt-F2... on a Linux PC with a real keyboard)
02:59.15fluxnil: fn + left arrow
04:05.25nilflux: doesn't work...
04:06.10nilflux: btw, thanks tor the help last week, for partitioning/flashing, it worked perfectly
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04:20.53fluxnil: it should work
04:21.40flux(yes, i know, what i just said doesn't mean nothing :/  )
04:24.00hobbshooray, finally found DVD media that makes my PS2 happy :)
04:24.36fluxhehe :)
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04:29.38nilflux: hehe.... well, i'm on oz/gpe... the only way I could find to access the console was to kill X
04:30.58fluxwhen you're in gpe login, or when you have load you're matchbox in user, i swear, "fn-'left_arrow_key" should bring you to console...
04:31.05fluxtry again an other time
04:36.36hobbsoh whoops
04:36.42nilflux: well it works from the login, but not from matchbox
04:36.43hobbsI thought I was in an entirely different channel ;)
04:36.55hobbsdifferent network, actually ;)
04:37.22fluxhobbs: we didn't see nothing ;)
04:54.54agaffneywhat would cause the new mail LED to be blinking?
04:55.07agaffneyit's been blinking 3 times every second or two since yesterday
05:29.55nilqq
05:30.01nilooops....
05:30.11hobbsprint qq{Hi there!};
05:32.23hobbsagaffney: Have you used qpe-gaim? ;)
05:36.34Wicked_is there any way to use the irda thing for something useful?
05:37.55nilWicked_: using your zaurus as an universal remote controller?
05:38.32Wicked_I wanted to do that
05:38.37nilmust be possible, but don'ask me how...
05:38.43Wicked_but I can't get that app to work
05:38.50nilerf
05:39.10Wicked_http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/System-Utilities/IR-Apps/Zaurus-IR-Remote-Controller-15844.shtml
05:39.11Wicked_that
05:39.23Wicked_but I need the qtupia rom I think
05:53.05Wicked_well, with that app, I get this error
05:53.09Wicked_ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for zirrem:        qpe-base (1.5.0)
05:53.32Wicked_and apparently its an extremely old dependeny
05:53.53Wicked_could I force dependencies?
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06:42.38pgasWicked_: only apps from the OZ feeds will work in OZ
06:44.24pgasnil: you need to use chvt in a terminal to switch to another VT in X
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06:46.16pgasjoshin: openzaurus is most probably little endian
06:46.57pgas(Jinidog arm can do both big and little endian IIRC)
06:48.00joshinpgas, thanks.  I know it can.  I have a NSLU (arm based network storage device) that runs OpenSlug and wanted to be able to share packages with my Zaurus running OZ
06:50.47pgasopenslug is build with  OE like OZ non?
06:59.10joshinpgas, yup.  And it is big endian while OZ is little.  Argh!!!  What a pain.
07:21.30nilpgas: great, thanks
07:24.25hobbsnil: the fn+arrow keybindings _should_ work, but I have an issue where sometimes my keymap gets all freaked out, my desktop is the wrong color, and all sort of settings don't load properly -- and so the hotkey stops working ;)
07:24.38hobbsnil: you might be seeing something like that
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10:55.09dgymis there any way to search all the available packages for a particular file? I am looking for X's Imake.tmpl which should be included in one of the X development packages but I don't know which (if any) it has been put in.
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11:01.24Geppetohello. which is the multimedia player of choice for oz/gpe ?
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12:37.35pgasdgym: in the feeds there is a Packages.filelist
12:38.41pgasie http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/feed/x11/Packages.filelist
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14:57.27mimecarhi
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15:13.51poushagbaldurk, 3.5.4.1 is available for collie from hentges.net
15:14.22poushagstill uses 2.4 kernel so no change to support of your sd card
15:20.10baldurkyeh thanks,I confused 3.5.4.2 for 3.5.4.1
15:24.14poushagright - and im also letting you know that hentges compiled a later release than oz
15:26.32baldurkoh right I see what you mean, sorry :)
15:26.42poushaghttp://wiki.openzaurus.org/Collie/TipsAndTricks
15:26.59poushagthis might help you get it running quickly using hentges
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16:22.42mistereeanyone awake?
16:25.12Laibschyes
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16:26.55mistereehave you used a loop image on a cf or sd card before?
16:31.48dgymthanks pgas, thats great
16:32.04agaffneyhobbs: yes, I've used qpe-gaim
16:36.56Laibschmisteree: Yes, I use that all the time.
16:37.14LaibschBut what is your question really?
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16:38.13mimecarre's
16:38.23mistereewell, whenever my zaurus freezes up (which is quite frequently), the image becomes unusable. altboot says the mount fails. is there a way to fix it, or is there a trick to getting the direct install to work?
16:38.51mimecarmisteree: have you free space on the image ?
16:39.20mistereeyeah. i made a 200 meg image, and didnt do much with it.
16:39.22Laibschmisteree: what card, what Z model?  Are you sure your card works fine?
16:39.38mimecarmisteree: have you a pc with linux near?
16:39.41LaibschI had problems with my Kingston card and the SL-5500.
16:39.55mistereeim sure the card works fine. i can read and write to my hearts content until at some point the zaurus freezes its a 5500
16:40.01Laibschmimecar: Just boot into the original OZ ;-)
16:40.15mistereemimecar: im using one. yeah.
16:40.32mimecaryou can mount the loop image on linux
16:40.35Laibschmisteree: How big is it? What brand?  Have you verified via md5sum? Have you done dmesg on the Z?
16:40.38mimecarand run fsck...
16:40.51mistereemimecar: and that should fix it?
16:41.03mimecarit's an option
16:41.05Laibschmimecar: You can also start altboot via the first entry and fsck.
16:41.14mimecaryes
16:41.36Laibschmisteree: How big is your card?
16:41.40mistereebut does anyone use direct install? seems like it would be more convenient.
16:41.45mistereeits 2 gigs. brand new.
16:41.52Laibschmisteree: There you go
16:41.54mimecarpda model ?
16:42.00LaibschThat will never work on the collie.
16:42.03mimecarcollie only works with 1 GB card
16:42.11mistereereally? its working away at the moment...
16:42.14Laibschmimecar: Beat you to it ;-)
16:42.30Laibschmisteree: Obviously it is not, isn't it?
16:42.30mimecarI don't know the reason
16:42.41mimecarbut collie only runs ok with 1 GB card
16:42.44LaibschThe driver only supports 1 Gig.
16:42.56LaibschNo way around it.
16:43.36mistereewel, it works until the zaurus freezes up, then just that image breaks. the freezing appears to be irrespective of a card being used
16:43.54mimecarI got some problems with gpe
16:43.55Laibschmisteree: If you are in the US, get this card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820211309
16:44.12Laibschmisteree: OK, I give up.  Do whatever.
16:44.55mistereewell, thanks anyway.
16:45.13Laibschmisteree: If you do not believe me check the wiki on openzaurus.  It says clearly that 2 G is NOT POSSIBLE!
16:45.32mimecarit's posible that run some time
16:45.39mimecarand then crash ,..
16:46.33mistereeok, but just from observations, before i bought the card, i was running oz from the ram, ant it freezed up just as often.
16:46.49mimecarwhat's your pda and rom ?
16:47.17mistereesl5500 and 3.5.4
16:47.43mimecarOpie or GPE ?
16:47.55mistereeopie
16:48.01mimecarok
16:48.12mimecardid you upgrade the full system ?
16:48.17mistereeanyway, ill try fscking it the next time.
16:48.27mimecarok
16:49.02mistereewhat do you mean? i flashed it, then followed the altboot faq to install the same version on the card
16:49.23mimecarif I upgrade all the packages on gpe
16:49.31mimecarI lost wifi card run
16:49.44mimecarit's posible the problems start after upgrading system
16:57.38agaffneymimecar: I ran into problems letting altboot create the loopback on the SD card
16:57.48agaffneywith the oz-opie-3.5.4 rom
16:57.54agaffneyor are you not using loopback?
16:57.58mimecarI use the altboot image
16:58.15agaffneyI had to use a card reader to create loopback and populate it
16:58.36mimecarI formated card with a photo camera
16:58.52agaffneywhich likely means it's fat16
16:59.01mimecarthat's important
16:59.02agaffneyand that'll you'll need to use a loopback install
16:59.11agaffneyyou can't install directly on fat16
16:59.36mimecarthe loop file ?
17:00.55agaffneyyou can install in an ext2-formatted loopfile on fat16
17:01.00agaffneybut you can't install directly on fat16
17:01.14agaffneysince it doesn't support unix permissions, links, /dev nodes, etc.
17:01.19mimecaryou can create the loop file
17:01.23mimecarand format it as ext2
17:01.30agaffneyyes
17:01.44agaffneybut I'm saying I had trouble doing that from altboot
17:01.46agaffneyso did someone else
17:01.53agaffneyit seems to be an issue with the 3.5.4 image
17:01.54mimecarok ok
17:01.59agaffneyon Collie
17:02.03mimecarI don't know
17:02.09mimecartry formating card as fat32
17:02.19agaffneywon't make a difference
17:02.38agaffneyI just created my loopback by hand using a card reader and my linux laptop
17:03.32mimecarif that works for you
17:03.37mimecarbetter
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18:04.57Wicked_how easy would it be for someone to right an application for the irda to make a controller?
18:05.31joshinWicked_, application isn't too hard.  IRDA signal strength would be.
18:05.40Wicked_>.>
18:05.48joshinAssumming you're talking about a remote control for TV & stuff.
18:05.51Wicked_yes
18:06.15Wicked_I would like to get this same type of thing
18:06.16Wicked_http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/System-Utilities/IR-Apps/Zaurus-IR-Remote-Controller-15844.shtml
18:07.11Wicked_And I wouldn't be using it to far
18:07.23Wicked_just as a simple replacement for you universal remote
18:09.17NAbyssWicked_: Look up 'lirc'.. iirc, there's a qt/e gui for it too
18:09.43Wicked_I thought that had to do with IRC so I ignored it >.>
18:09.54NAbyssNah.. linux infrared remote control
18:10.03Wicked_awesome
18:10.20NAbyssI can't remember the name of the qt/e app (it's going on 4am here).. let me have a dig around
18:10.28Wicked_heh
18:10.48NAbyssopie-remote
18:11.08NAbyssI had issues getting the two to work about 6 months ago.. haven't tried since
18:11.39NAbyssIf I remember correctly though, it was pretty minor.. just getting the right lirc config file for my TV
18:12.33Wicked_=o
18:14.06Wicked_thanks NAbyss =D
18:14.15pgasI think the major problem is range for this kind of thing no?
18:15.28pgashttp://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=919
18:15.38pgasBesides Zaurus has very low power IrDA port so range is short (depend on device, battery status, lighting of the room - from 1 to 5 ft (30 - 150 cm).
18:17.13Wicked_saw that
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18:26.29Schmoosterwoohoo! new toy!
18:28.42agaffneywhat model?
18:28.49Schmoosterc3200
18:29.10Schmoosterhaving stoopid issues getting it booted to a NAND console
18:32.36Schmoosterfollowing the OZ.org instructions of holding down "D" and "B" whilst pressing on/off doesn't do anything apart from boot me into the usual interface :/
18:35.18pgasYou should hold D+B when you close the battery switch
18:36.04Schmoosteraha, nice.. cheers bundles, pgas :)
18:38.44Schmoosterhmmm...no joy. It is definately the D and B letters, I take it...not some other thing....
18:44.10Schmoosterahhh
18:44.40Schmoosterholding ddown d+b when pressing the reset botton itself does the job
18:47.28Wicked_is there any simple way of fixing this?
18:47.28Wicked_http://pastebin.ca/150315
18:47.30Wicked_>.>
18:49.28Schmoosterok. odd question, maybe. Does anyone know if fdisking the main disk will still allow me to boot & run a terminal (and function as a usbhost )?
18:49.35Schmoosteri have no CF/SD card :/
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18:56.45mimecarre
18:57.01fluxhello mimecar
18:57.19mimecarI got my first compiled program on zaurus :)
18:57.31fluxyeah ! which one ?
18:57.42mimecarit's only a test
18:57.56mimecarhttp://handhelds.org/scap/port.26337.png
18:58.08mimecarthe gpe-calculator with a minor change
18:59.01Laibschgood work.
18:59.13mimecaronly two numbers are changed
18:59.14LaibschDid you copy the ipk or did you set up a feed?
18:59.26mimecarit's the calculator of gpe
18:59.45mimecarI got the source code, wrote a small modification and compiled it on zaurus
19:00.01mimecarnumbers 7 and 8 for '0' and '1'
19:00.24LaibschOh, you compiled on target.  I thought you compiled via OE.
19:00.32mimecarnot yet
19:00.39LaibschAny problems with OE?
19:00.46mimecartime
19:00.58LaibschI think it is worth it.
19:01.07mimecarI got the system ready on 30 minutes more or less
19:01.10LaibschOE is also getting better all the time.  The momentum is right.
19:01.11mimecaron zaurus
19:01.24mimecarOE is very useful
19:01.31LaibschI can get OE set up on a modern linux system in less time ;-)
19:01.57mimecaryou will tell me on september :P
19:02.37mimecardo you need compile all the libs ?
19:02.49Laibschlibs?
19:02.54mimecaryes
19:02.59LaibschOE takes care of everything for you.
19:03.00mimecarfor compile the programas
19:03.15LaibschYou just say "bitbake gpe-calculator"
19:03.16mimecarhow many time would I need to setup the system ?
19:03.34LaibschYou ask weird questions ;-)
19:03.41LaibschI guess just once of course.
19:03.43mimecaryes
19:03.51mimecarhave you free time now ?
19:03.54mimecar;)
19:03.55LaibschDo you set up yours more than once.
19:03.59LaibschNo
19:04.02mimecarok
19:04.04LaibschBut go right ahead ;-)
19:04.07mimecaranother day
19:04.52LaibschWhat Linux are you using on your desktop?
19:04.57mimecarubuntu
19:05.39LaibschOK, same as my compile machine.
19:06.10LaibschDo "apt-get install python python-dev python-psyco ccache patch m4 sed bison make \ wget bzip2 cvs gawk libc6-dev g++ subversion sharutils coreutils \ docbook openjade quilt libmpfr-dev libpcre3-dev unzip texi2html texinfo" as mentioned on http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro
19:06.25LaibschThen get monotone straight from the monotone ppl at venge.net
19:06.29mimecarwait
19:06.35mimecar<PROTECTED>
19:06.37mimecarrebooting...
19:07.03LaibschAnd follow the instructions on http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted
19:07.20LaibschThat should be it.  GettingStarted is about configuring your stuff.
19:07.25LaibschAfter that you compile away.
19:07.31LaibschIt is very easy to set up.
19:07.37mimecarif I can compile calculator on PC...
19:07.38mimecarok
19:14.20pgasWicked_: you have installed lirc in /or to another destination?
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19:16.13mimecarre
19:16.23pgasyo
19:16.30mimecarflux: downloading packages
19:17.11mimecarhey pgas
19:17.58Laibschmimecar: the stuff needed for OE?
19:18.12mimecarthe necesary packages
19:18.20mimecarafter I'll get bitbake
19:18.58pgasmimecar there is also a cross-sdk for OZ but I don't know how much documentation comes with it
19:19.08mimecarI know
19:19.24mimecarI compiled on my zaurus this afternoon
19:19.42mimecarand flux tell me install the base system is easy ;)
19:19.52mimecaron PC side
19:21.30fluxhum ?
19:21.36fluxwhat did i tell you ?
19:21.41mimecarthe webpage
19:21.45fluxbase system of what ?
19:21.51mimecarxDDD
19:21.58fluxOZ ?
19:22.01fluxdebian ?
19:22.02mimecaryes
19:22.10mimecarOE and ubuntu
19:22.58Wicked_damnit, I dont have a controller that will work
19:23.12pgasI was talking about this http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.orgøfficial/unstable/3.5.4/sdk/oe-cross-sdk-20060317204954.tar.bz2
19:24.05pgasit contains the toolchain and some libs, adjusting some paths on your system you should be able to compile things right away
19:24.15mimecaryes
19:24.21mimecarthat's another method
19:24.32mimecarI only wanted run gcc on zaurus
19:24.42mimecarI haven't plans on installing bitbake today
19:24.49pgassure
19:26.36pgasah, I was pretty sure you had a lot of posts on oesf, but when I checked mimecar had only 4 posts....but you are mimeca there :)
19:26.52mimecarpgas: not really
19:27.01mimecarmimeca and mimecar are the same user
19:27.16mimecarI had some problems with mimecar nick and create the other :P
19:28.04pgasI know what you mean...there is a pgas2 there ;)
19:28.16mimecarpgas: I have only 550 post
19:28.30agaffneywhat's a decent text edit for opie?
19:28.35agaffneys/edit/editor/
19:28.46mimecarxDDD
19:29.17mimecarpgas: greece ?
19:29.28pgasmimecar: well, only 34 people have posted more than you :)
19:29.37pgasmimecar: yeah I live in greece
19:30.11mimecaryou're one of them :P
19:41.58agaffneyanyone? good text editor for opie? :P
19:42.13agaffneyI'd rather not have to resort to nano :P
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19:50.20Laibschagaffney: I like nano.
19:50.37agaffneyyeah, but the console is a bit cumbersome on my 320x240 screen :P
19:51.21dgymagaffney, both vim + emacs should be available, and if you can run java stuff that makes a few other editors available too
19:52.14agaffneyI had been ignoring the "Pim" tab. it appears there's a text editor there
19:52.20agaffneyand it doesn't suck like the one on the sharp rom
19:52.30dgymnedit would be nice, considering it is a little lighter on resources, but i'm not sure if you can get that easily
19:56.17agaffneyanyone have a lircd.conf for a Collie they'd like to share with me?
19:56.33agaffneyit would be nice if the lirc package came with a default one :P
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20:39.37Schmoosterur, vi?
20:40.23mimecarre
20:40.34Schmoosteranyone tried accessing a usb device from a NAND console?
20:41.05mimecarI don't
20:42.24Schmoosteri think I need to goo out and get a small CF/SD card before installing OZ
20:42.37Schmoosterwhich sucks, as I have time atm..
20:43.24mimecarSchmooster: have you problems with the sd card ?
20:49.12Schmoosterno, I just don't have one :) I have an external USB disc, though, and was wondering if I could get it recognised from under a NAND boot
20:49.26mimecarno idea
20:49.33mimecarmy collie doesn't like usb devices :P
20:49.44Schmoosterah, damn :/
20:57.04mimecarI have lost monotone...
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22:49.00LaibschIs altboot even needed on the loop-images being altboot'ed to?  Or can it be deinstalled on those images?
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23:31.53Wicked_will Gaim work on opie?
23:32.05Wicked_if not, is there something simillar to gaim that will work?
23:34.37tanqi got gaim installed but when i add a new account it terminates .. i forget the signal though
23:34.52Wicked_D=
23:34.55tanqsigsegv
23:36.21Wicked_are there any other similar programs to it?
23:51.03LaibschHow do you restart GPE?
23:54.49Wicked_hey guys, where is the config file for kismet?
23:54.50Wicked_>_>

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