00:19.10 | Wicked_ | is there any way to use the irda thing for something useful |
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00:31.55 | joshin | Is openzaurus big endian or little endian? (I thought it was big endian) |
00:40.45 | JiniDog | depends on the CPU |
00:40.52 | JiniDog | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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02:13.28 | nil | hi everyone |
02:13.54 | nil | I'm enjoying my Zaurus 3200, bought and flashed last week |
02:14.07 | nil | but I have a few questions... |
02:14.23 | nil | -> how to access the linux virtual terminals? |
02:15.05 | nil | (usually accessed by Alt-F1, Alt-F2... on a Linux PC with a real keyboard) |
02:59.15 | flux | nil: fn + left arrow |
04:05.25 | nil | flux: doesn't work... |
04:06.10 | nil | flux: btw, thanks tor the help last week, for partitioning/flashing, it worked perfectly |
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04:20.53 | flux | nil: it should work |
04:21.40 | flux | (yes, i know, what i just said doesn't mean nothing :/ ) |
04:24.00 | hobbs | hooray, finally found DVD media that makes my PS2 happy :) |
04:24.36 | flux | hehe :) |
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04:29.38 | nil | flux: hehe.... well, i'm on oz/gpe... the only way I could find to access the console was to kill X |
04:30.58 | flux | when you're in gpe login, or when you have load you're matchbox in user, i swear, "fn-'left_arrow_key" should bring you to console... |
04:31.05 | flux | try again an other time |
04:36.36 | hobbs | oh whoops |
04:36.42 | nil | flux: well it works from the login, but not from matchbox |
04:36.43 | hobbs | I thought I was in an entirely different channel ;) |
04:36.55 | hobbs | different network, actually ;) |
04:37.22 | flux | hobbs: we didn't see nothing ;) |
04:54.54 | agaffney | what would cause the new mail LED to be blinking? |
04:55.07 | agaffney | it's been blinking 3 times every second or two since yesterday |
05:29.55 | nil | qq |
05:30.01 | nil | ooops.... |
05:30.11 | hobbs | print qq{Hi there!}; |
05:32.23 | hobbs | agaffney: Have you used qpe-gaim? ;) |
05:36.34 | Wicked_ | is there any way to use the irda thing for something useful? |
05:37.55 | nil | Wicked_: using your zaurus as an universal remote controller? |
05:38.32 | Wicked_ | I wanted to do that |
05:38.37 | nil | must be possible, but don'ask me how... |
05:38.43 | Wicked_ | but I can't get that app to work |
05:38.50 | nil | erf |
05:39.10 | Wicked_ | http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/System-Utilities/IR-Apps/Zaurus-IR-Remote-Controller-15844.shtml |
05:39.11 | Wicked_ | that |
05:39.23 | Wicked_ | but I need the qtupia rom I think |
05:53.05 | Wicked_ | well, with that app, I get this error |
05:53.09 | Wicked_ | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for zirrem: qpe-base (1.5.0) |
05:53.32 | Wicked_ | and apparently its an extremely old dependeny |
05:53.53 | Wicked_ | could I force dependencies? |
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06:42.38 | pgas | Wicked_: only apps from the OZ feeds will work in OZ |
06:44.24 | pgas | nil: you need to use chvt in a terminal to switch to another VT in X |
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06:46.16 | pgas | joshin: openzaurus is most probably little endian |
06:46.57 | pgas | (Jinidog arm can do both big and little endian IIRC) |
06:48.00 | joshin | pgas, thanks. I know it can. I have a NSLU (arm based network storage device) that runs OpenSlug and wanted to be able to share packages with my Zaurus running OZ |
06:50.47 | pgas | openslug is build with OE like OZ non? |
06:59.10 | joshin | pgas, yup. And it is big endian while OZ is little. Argh!!! What a pain. |
07:21.30 | nil | pgas: great, thanks |
07:24.25 | hobbs | nil: the fn+arrow keybindings _should_ work, but I have an issue where sometimes my keymap gets all freaked out, my desktop is the wrong color, and all sort of settings don't load properly -- and so the hotkey stops working ;) |
07:24.38 | hobbs | nil: you might be seeing something like that |
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10:55.09 | dgym | is there any way to search all the available packages for a particular file? I am looking for X's Imake.tmpl which should be included in one of the X development packages but I don't know which (if any) it has been put in. |
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11:01.24 | Geppeto | hello. which is the multimedia player of choice for oz/gpe ? |
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12:37.35 | pgas | dgym: in the feeds there is a Packages.filelist |
12:38.41 | pgas | ie http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/feed/x11/Packages.filelist |
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14:57.27 | mimecar | hi |
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15:13.51 | poushag | baldurk, 3.5.4.1 is available for collie from hentges.net |
15:14.22 | poushag | still uses 2.4 kernel so no change to support of your sd card |
15:20.10 | baldurk | yeh thanks,I confused 3.5.4.2 for 3.5.4.1 |
15:24.14 | poushag | right - and im also letting you know that hentges compiled a later release than oz |
15:26.32 | baldurk | oh right I see what you mean, sorry :) |
15:26.42 | poushag | http://wiki.openzaurus.org/Collie/TipsAndTricks |
15:26.59 | poushag | this might help you get it running quickly using hentges |
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16:22.42 | misteree | anyone awake? |
16:25.12 | Laibsch | yes |
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16:26.55 | misteree | have you used a loop image on a cf or sd card before? |
16:31.48 | dgym | thanks pgas, thats great |
16:32.04 | agaffney | hobbs: yes, I've used qpe-gaim |
16:36.56 | Laibsch | misteree: Yes, I use that all the time. |
16:37.14 | Laibsch | But what is your question really? |
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16:38.13 | mimecar | re's |
16:38.23 | misteree | well, whenever my zaurus freezes up (which is quite frequently), the image becomes unusable. altboot says the mount fails. is there a way to fix it, or is there a trick to getting the direct install to work? |
16:38.51 | mimecar | misteree: have you free space on the image ? |
16:39.20 | misteree | yeah. i made a 200 meg image, and didnt do much with it. |
16:39.22 | Laibsch | misteree: what card, what Z model? Are you sure your card works fine? |
16:39.38 | mimecar | misteree: have you a pc with linux near? |
16:39.41 | Laibsch | I had problems with my Kingston card and the SL-5500. |
16:39.55 | misteree | im sure the card works fine. i can read and write to my hearts content until at some point the zaurus freezes its a 5500 |
16:40.01 | Laibsch | mimecar: Just boot into the original OZ ;-) |
16:40.15 | misteree | mimecar: im using one. yeah. |
16:40.32 | mimecar | you can mount the loop image on linux |
16:40.35 | Laibsch | misteree: How big is it? What brand? Have you verified via md5sum? Have you done dmesg on the Z? |
16:40.38 | mimecar | and run fsck... |
16:40.51 | misteree | mimecar: and that should fix it? |
16:41.03 | mimecar | it's an option |
16:41.05 | Laibsch | mimecar: You can also start altboot via the first entry and fsck. |
16:41.14 | mimecar | yes |
16:41.36 | Laibsch | misteree: How big is your card? |
16:41.40 | misteree | but does anyone use direct install? seems like it would be more convenient. |
16:41.45 | misteree | its 2 gigs. brand new. |
16:41.52 | Laibsch | misteree: There you go |
16:41.54 | mimecar | pda model ? |
16:42.00 | Laibsch | That will never work on the collie. |
16:42.03 | mimecar | collie only works with 1 GB card |
16:42.11 | misteree | really? its working away at the moment... |
16:42.14 | Laibsch | mimecar: Beat you to it ;-) |
16:42.30 | Laibsch | misteree: Obviously it is not, isn't it? |
16:42.30 | mimecar | I don't know the reason |
16:42.41 | mimecar | but collie only runs ok with 1 GB card |
16:42.44 | Laibsch | The driver only supports 1 Gig. |
16:42.56 | Laibsch | No way around it. |
16:43.36 | misteree | wel, it works until the zaurus freezes up, then just that image breaks. the freezing appears to be irrespective of a card being used |
16:43.54 | mimecar | I got some problems with gpe |
16:43.55 | Laibsch | misteree: If you are in the US, get this card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820211309 |
16:44.12 | Laibsch | misteree: OK, I give up. Do whatever. |
16:44.55 | misteree | well, thanks anyway. |
16:45.13 | Laibsch | misteree: If you do not believe me check the wiki on openzaurus. It says clearly that 2 G is NOT POSSIBLE! |
16:45.32 | mimecar | it's posible that run some time |
16:45.39 | mimecar | and then crash ,.. |
16:46.33 | misteree | ok, but just from observations, before i bought the card, i was running oz from the ram, ant it freezed up just as often. |
16:46.49 | mimecar | what's your pda and rom ? |
16:47.17 | misteree | sl5500 and 3.5.4 |
16:47.43 | mimecar | Opie or GPE ? |
16:47.55 | misteree | opie |
16:48.01 | mimecar | ok |
16:48.12 | mimecar | did you upgrade the full system ? |
16:48.17 | misteree | anyway, ill try fscking it the next time. |
16:48.27 | mimecar | ok |
16:49.02 | misteree | what do you mean? i flashed it, then followed the altboot faq to install the same version on the card |
16:49.23 | mimecar | if I upgrade all the packages on gpe |
16:49.31 | mimecar | I lost wifi card run |
16:49.44 | mimecar | it's posible the problems start after upgrading system |
16:57.38 | agaffney | mimecar: I ran into problems letting altboot create the loopback on the SD card |
16:57.48 | agaffney | with the oz-opie-3.5.4 rom |
16:57.54 | agaffney | or are you not using loopback? |
16:57.58 | mimecar | I use the altboot image |
16:58.15 | agaffney | I had to use a card reader to create loopback and populate it |
16:58.36 | mimecar | I formated card with a photo camera |
16:58.52 | agaffney | which likely means it's fat16 |
16:59.01 | mimecar | that's important |
16:59.02 | agaffney | and that'll you'll need to use a loopback install |
16:59.11 | agaffney | you can't install directly on fat16 |
16:59.36 | mimecar | the loop file ? |
17:00.55 | agaffney | you can install in an ext2-formatted loopfile on fat16 |
17:01.00 | agaffney | but you can't install directly on fat16 |
17:01.14 | agaffney | since it doesn't support unix permissions, links, /dev nodes, etc. |
17:01.19 | mimecar | you can create the loop file |
17:01.23 | mimecar | and format it as ext2 |
17:01.30 | agaffney | yes |
17:01.44 | agaffney | but I'm saying I had trouble doing that from altboot |
17:01.46 | agaffney | so did someone else |
17:01.53 | agaffney | it seems to be an issue with the 3.5.4 image |
17:01.54 | mimecar | ok ok |
17:01.59 | agaffney | on Collie |
17:02.03 | mimecar | I don't know |
17:02.09 | mimecar | try formating card as fat32 |
17:02.19 | agaffney | won't make a difference |
17:02.38 | agaffney | I just created my loopback by hand using a card reader and my linux laptop |
17:03.32 | mimecar | if that works for you |
17:03.37 | mimecar | better |
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18:04.57 | Wicked_ | how easy would it be for someone to right an application for the irda to make a controller? |
18:05.31 | joshin | Wicked_, application isn't too hard. IRDA signal strength would be. |
18:05.40 | Wicked_ | >.> |
18:05.48 | joshin | Assumming you're talking about a remote control for TV & stuff. |
18:05.51 | Wicked_ | yes |
18:06.15 | Wicked_ | I would like to get this same type of thing |
18:06.16 | Wicked_ | http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/System-Utilities/IR-Apps/Zaurus-IR-Remote-Controller-15844.shtml |
18:07.11 | Wicked_ | And I wouldn't be using it to far |
18:07.23 | Wicked_ | just as a simple replacement for you universal remote |
18:09.17 | NAbyss | Wicked_: Look up 'lirc'.. iirc, there's a qt/e gui for it too |
18:09.43 | Wicked_ | I thought that had to do with IRC so I ignored it >.> |
18:09.54 | NAbyss | Nah.. linux infrared remote control |
18:10.03 | Wicked_ | awesome |
18:10.20 | NAbyss | I can't remember the name of the qt/e app (it's going on 4am here).. let me have a dig around |
18:10.28 | Wicked_ | heh |
18:10.48 | NAbyss | opie-remote |
18:11.08 | NAbyss | I had issues getting the two to work about 6 months ago.. haven't tried since |
18:11.39 | NAbyss | If I remember correctly though, it was pretty minor.. just getting the right lirc config file for my TV |
18:12.33 | Wicked_ | =o |
18:14.06 | Wicked_ | thanks NAbyss =D |
18:14.15 | pgas | I think the major problem is range for this kind of thing no? |
18:15.28 | pgas | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=919 |
18:15.38 | pgas | Besides Zaurus has very low power IrDA port so range is short (depend on device, battery status, lighting of the room - from 1 to 5 ft (30 - 150 cm). |
18:17.13 | Wicked_ | saw that |
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18:26.29 | Schmooster | woohoo! new toy! |
18:28.42 | agaffney | what model? |
18:28.49 | Schmooster | c3200 |
18:29.10 | Schmooster | having stoopid issues getting it booted to a NAND console |
18:32.36 | Schmooster | following the OZ.org instructions of holding down "D" and "B" whilst pressing on/off doesn't do anything apart from boot me into the usual interface :/ |
18:35.18 | pgas | You should hold D+B when you close the battery switch |
18:36.04 | Schmooster | aha, nice.. cheers bundles, pgas :) |
18:38.44 | Schmooster | hmmm...no joy. It is definately the D and B letters, I take it...not some other thing.... |
18:44.10 | Schmooster | ahhh |
18:44.40 | Schmooster | holding ddown d+b when pressing the reset botton itself does the job |
18:47.28 | Wicked_ | is there any simple way of fixing this? |
18:47.28 | Wicked_ | http://pastebin.ca/150315 |
18:47.30 | Wicked_ | >.> |
18:49.28 | Schmooster | ok. odd question, maybe. Does anyone know if fdisking the main disk will still allow me to boot & run a terminal (and function as a usbhost )? |
18:49.35 | Schmooster | i have no CF/SD card :/ |
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18:56.45 | mimecar | re |
18:57.01 | flux | hello mimecar |
18:57.19 | mimecar | I got my first compiled program on zaurus :) |
18:57.31 | flux | yeah ! which one ? |
18:57.42 | mimecar | it's only a test |
18:57.56 | mimecar | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.26337.png |
18:58.08 | mimecar | the gpe-calculator with a minor change |
18:59.01 | Laibsch | good work. |
18:59.13 | mimecar | only two numbers are changed |
18:59.14 | Laibsch | Did you copy the ipk or did you set up a feed? |
18:59.26 | mimecar | it's the calculator of gpe |
18:59.45 | mimecar | I got the source code, wrote a small modification and compiled it on zaurus |
19:00.01 | mimecar | numbers 7 and 8 for '0' and '1' |
19:00.24 | Laibsch | Oh, you compiled on target. I thought you compiled via OE. |
19:00.32 | mimecar | not yet |
19:00.39 | Laibsch | Any problems with OE? |
19:00.46 | mimecar | time |
19:00.58 | Laibsch | I think it is worth it. |
19:01.07 | mimecar | I got the system ready on 30 minutes more or less |
19:01.10 | Laibsch | OE is also getting better all the time. The momentum is right. |
19:01.11 | mimecar | on zaurus |
19:01.24 | mimecar | OE is very useful |
19:01.31 | Laibsch | I can get OE set up on a modern linux system in less time ;-) |
19:01.57 | mimecar | you will tell me on september :P |
19:02.37 | mimecar | do you need compile all the libs ? |
19:02.49 | Laibsch | libs? |
19:02.54 | mimecar | yes |
19:02.59 | Laibsch | OE takes care of everything for you. |
19:03.00 | mimecar | for compile the programas |
19:03.15 | Laibsch | You just say "bitbake gpe-calculator" |
19:03.16 | mimecar | how many time would I need to setup the system ? |
19:03.34 | Laibsch | You ask weird questions ;-) |
19:03.41 | Laibsch | I guess just once of course. |
19:03.43 | mimecar | yes |
19:03.51 | mimecar | have you free time now ? |
19:03.54 | mimecar | ;) |
19:03.55 | Laibsch | Do you set up yours more than once. |
19:03.59 | Laibsch | No |
19:04.02 | mimecar | ok |
19:04.04 | Laibsch | But go right ahead ;-) |
19:04.07 | mimecar | another day |
19:04.52 | Laibsch | What Linux are you using on your desktop? |
19:04.57 | mimecar | ubuntu |
19:05.39 | Laibsch | OK, same as my compile machine. |
19:06.10 | Laibsch | Do "apt-get install python python-dev python-psyco ccache patch m4 sed bison make \ wget bzip2 cvs gawk libc6-dev g++ subversion sharutils coreutils \ docbook openjade quilt libmpfr-dev libpcre3-dev unzip texi2html texinfo" as mentioned on http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro |
19:06.25 | Laibsch | Then get monotone straight from the monotone ppl at venge.net |
19:06.29 | mimecar | wait |
19:06.35 | mimecar | <PROTECTED> |
19:06.37 | mimecar | rebooting... |
19:07.03 | Laibsch | And follow the instructions on http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted |
19:07.20 | Laibsch | That should be it. GettingStarted is about configuring your stuff. |
19:07.25 | Laibsch | After that you compile away. |
19:07.31 | Laibsch | It is very easy to set up. |
19:07.37 | mimecar | if I can compile calculator on PC... |
19:07.38 | mimecar | ok |
19:14.20 | pgas | Wicked_: you have installed lirc in /or to another destination? |
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19:16.13 | mimecar | re |
19:16.23 | pgas | yo |
19:16.30 | mimecar | flux: downloading packages |
19:17.11 | mimecar | hey pgas |
19:17.58 | Laibsch | mimecar: the stuff needed for OE? |
19:18.12 | mimecar | the necesary packages |
19:18.20 | mimecar | after I'll get bitbake |
19:18.58 | pgas | mimecar there is also a cross-sdk for OZ but I don't know how much documentation comes with it |
19:19.08 | mimecar | I know |
19:19.24 | mimecar | I compiled on my zaurus this afternoon |
19:19.42 | mimecar | and flux tell me install the base system is easy ;) |
19:19.52 | mimecar | on PC side |
19:21.30 | flux | hum ? |
19:21.36 | flux | what did i tell you ? |
19:21.41 | mimecar | the webpage |
19:21.45 | flux | base system of what ? |
19:21.51 | mimecar | xDDD |
19:21.58 | flux | OZ ? |
19:22.01 | flux | debian ? |
19:22.02 | mimecar | yes |
19:22.10 | mimecar | OE and ubuntu |
19:22.58 | Wicked_ | damnit, I dont have a controller that will work |
19:23.12 | pgas | I was talking about this http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.orgøfficial/unstable/3.5.4/sdk/oe-cross-sdk-20060317204954.tar.bz2 |
19:24.05 | pgas | it contains the toolchain and some libs, adjusting some paths on your system you should be able to compile things right away |
19:24.15 | mimecar | yes |
19:24.21 | mimecar | that's another method |
19:24.32 | mimecar | I only wanted run gcc on zaurus |
19:24.42 | mimecar | I haven't plans on installing bitbake today |
19:24.49 | pgas | sure |
19:26.36 | pgas | ah, I was pretty sure you had a lot of posts on oesf, but when I checked mimecar had only 4 posts....but you are mimeca there :) |
19:26.52 | mimecar | pgas: not really |
19:27.01 | mimecar | mimeca and mimecar are the same user |
19:27.16 | mimecar | I had some problems with mimecar nick and create the other :P |
19:28.04 | pgas | I know what you mean...there is a pgas2 there ;) |
19:28.16 | mimecar | pgas: I have only 550 post |
19:28.30 | agaffney | what's a decent text edit for opie? |
19:28.35 | agaffney | s/edit/editor/ |
19:28.46 | mimecar | xDDD |
19:29.17 | mimecar | pgas: greece ? |
19:29.28 | pgas | mimecar: well, only 34 people have posted more than you :) |
19:29.37 | pgas | mimecar: yeah I live in greece |
19:30.11 | mimecar | you're one of them :P |
19:41.58 | agaffney | anyone? good text editor for opie? :P |
19:42.13 | agaffney | I'd rather not have to resort to nano :P |
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19:50.20 | Laibsch | agaffney: I like nano. |
19:50.37 | agaffney | yeah, but the console is a bit cumbersome on my 320x240 screen :P |
19:51.21 | dgym | agaffney, both vim + emacs should be available, and if you can run java stuff that makes a few other editors available too |
19:52.14 | agaffney | I had been ignoring the "Pim" tab. it appears there's a text editor there |
19:52.20 | agaffney | and it doesn't suck like the one on the sharp rom |
19:52.30 | dgym | nedit would be nice, considering it is a little lighter on resources, but i'm not sure if you can get that easily |
19:56.17 | agaffney | anyone have a lircd.conf for a Collie they'd like to share with me? |
19:56.33 | agaffney | it would be nice if the lirc package came with a default one :P |
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20:39.37 | Schmooster | ur, vi? |
20:40.23 | mimecar | re |
20:40.34 | Schmooster | anyone tried accessing a usb device from a NAND console? |
20:41.05 | mimecar | I don't |
20:42.24 | Schmooster | i think I need to goo out and get a small CF/SD card before installing OZ |
20:42.37 | Schmooster | which sucks, as I have time atm.. |
20:43.24 | mimecar | Schmooster: have you problems with the sd card ? |
20:49.12 | Schmooster | no, I just don't have one :) I have an external USB disc, though, and was wondering if I could get it recognised from under a NAND boot |
20:49.26 | mimecar | no idea |
20:49.33 | mimecar | my collie doesn't like usb devices :P |
20:49.44 | Schmooster | ah, damn :/ |
20:57.04 | mimecar | I have lost monotone... |
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22:49.00 | Laibsch | Is altboot even needed on the loop-images being altboot'ed to? Or can it be deinstalled on those images? |
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23:31.53 | Wicked_ | will Gaim work on opie? |
23:32.05 | Wicked_ | if not, is there something simillar to gaim that will work? |
23:34.37 | tanq | i got gaim installed but when i add a new account it terminates .. i forget the signal though |
23:34.52 | Wicked_ | D= |
23:34.55 | tanq | sigsegv |
23:36.21 | Wicked_ | are there any other similar programs to it? |
23:51.03 | Laibsch | How do you restart GPE? |
23:54.49 | Wicked_ | hey guys, where is the config file for kismet? |
23:54.50 | Wicked_ | >_> |