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| 00:44.12 | agaffney_ | what do I need to do a pptp connection? |
| 00:47.16 | agaffney_ | from my Z, that is |
| 00:48.01 | agaffney_ | and I can't get ipkg to install kernel-module-ppp-mppe |
| 00:51.05 | agaffney_ | via command line or package manager applet |
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| 02:59.02 | Wicked_ | I can't find the conf file for kismet is, anyone know? >_> |
| 03:00.18 | flux | usually, in /etc/kismet.conf |
| 03:00.30 | flux | as most of config file in unix |
| 03:01.30 | Wicked_ | aw, holy crap I screwed that one up |
| 03:01.40 | Wicked_ | I thought it was somewhere completly else |
| 03:02.25 | Wicked_ | becuase on the kismet documentary, it says /usr/local/etc/kismet.conf |
| 03:02.34 | flux | ... |
| 03:02.55 | Wicked_ | yea... |
| 03:02.56 | flux | "/etc" -> config ..... and /*/etc -> config ... |
| 03:03.06 | Wicked_ | alright |
| 03:03.08 | flux | :) |
| 03:05.18 | hobbs | Wicked_: it depends on your installation prefix. kismet lives in /usr/local by default if you build it yourself, but distros usually move it up to standard locations :) |
| 03:05.32 | Wicked_ | aw |
| 03:07.01 | Wicked_ | alright, another question for kismet, what would I set the source to if I have an ambicom WL1100c-cf? |
| 03:07.09 | Wicked_ | how would I find out I should ask :s |
| 03:09.50 | Wicked_ | meh, I think I've got it |
| 03:11.21 | Wicked_ | got it huzzah |
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| 12:45.05 | Schmooster | anyone know if the c3200 deals with swap space well? |
| 12:48.37 | Schmooster | ..or what the max transfer rate of the internal microdrive is? |
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| 13:01.08 | mimecar | hi |
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| 14:04.38 | dgym | has anyone seen the Xaw libraries and headers for gpe? Wikipedia thinks they should come bundled with X, but I can't find them or any references to them in any Packages.filelist |
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| 14:19.29 | rover_orna | Hi! |
| 14:19.53 | rover_orna | anyone tryed python on collie? |
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| 15:25.33 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 16:22.24 | wpiku | :( |
| 16:22.35 | wpiku | I got the islsm driver compiled for arm and it doesn't seem to do anything |
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| 16:42.10 | wpiku | can the spitz handle usb 2.0 devices? |
| 16:42.24 | wpiku | is there backward compatibility and such? |
| 16:43.46 | wpiku | ah.. yeah seems to |
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| 17:14.34 | enginuitor | What do people currently use on their Collie units? |
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| 17:15.32 | enginuitor | 3.5.4.2-test RC1 won't even boot all the way for me, and the lack of SD/MMC and sound support would make my Collie pretty much useless anyway |
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| 17:28.49 | balle_ | hello! does anyone know a program that i could use to read and write odt documents? |
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| 17:48.21 | Laibsch | enginuitor: I use the normal OZ release. |
| 17:48.36 | Laibsch | balle_: openoffice.org ;-) |
| 17:48.49 | Laibsch | But I guess you are talking about reading it on the Z. |
| 17:49.01 | Laibsch | I do not think that is available yet. |
| 17:49.47 | pgas | well, you can run OO in a chrooted debian ;) |
| 17:50.15 | pgas | I think there might exists some plugins for abiword that handle odt...not sure though |
| 17:50.42 | balle_ | yeah i tried abiword but i am using opie |
| 17:51.53 | balle_ | any other text formats beside txt that one could read and write on Z? |
| 17:52.28 | enginuitor | Don't we have an RTF editor of some sort? |
| 17:52.30 | hobbs | text is text |
| 17:52.32 | enginuitor | Or am I imagining things? |
| 17:54.21 | balle_ | hobbs: but in txt i cannot use formats like bold and such things |
| 17:54.38 | hobbs | balle_: granted. Those things aren't text :) |
| 17:55.22 | balle_ | okay... :) |
| 18:00.24 | enginuitor | Did anyone ever get "deactivate LCD only" working on 3.5.4 ? |
| 18:00.36 | enginuitor | That's a rather critical feature for me |
| 18:05.17 | balle_ | i just tested it and i dont know its doing nothing? |
| 18:06.41 | Schmooster | anyone have a particular preference for OPIE or GPE? I@m nearly ready to flash my 3200 |
| 18:07.22 | Schmooster | any ideas which is more responsive? |
| 18:07.30 | enginuitor | I personally feel that GPE is more "ready" for the palmtop environment |
| 18:08.19 | pgas | http://openzaurus.berlios.de/Opie_vs._GPE |
| 18:08.45 | enginuitor | I tried GPE for a while because the idea of X on my Zaurus was somewhat exciting |
| 18:08.53 | hobbs | I wouldn't say that. GPE is easier to devel for, and runs more stuff, but Opie has more in the way of a PDA-looking design |
| 18:09.14 | enginuitor | hobbs: Right, so, I suppose it's a matter of personal taste and intended use |
| 18:09.32 | hobbs | X wasn't meant to run on handhelds, and GPE doesn't do much to fix up UIs that were meant to work with desktop monitors and mice |
| 18:09.54 | hobbs | not that it _can_ in most cases :) |
| 18:09.55 | enginuitor | By the way, when I said "GPE" that first time, I meant Opie |
| 18:09.58 | enginuitor | :-D |
| 18:10.10 | enginuitor | Sheesh... Way to screw up a statement |
| 18:10.16 | hobbs | enginuitor: heh ;) |
| 18:10.17 | Schmooster | hehehe |
| 18:10.25 | Schmooster | i'll start on the opie |
| 18:10.28 | hobbs | well in that case I agree |
| 18:10.39 | hobbs | but I still run GPE right now... unless I switch my SD card back to the other one ;) |
| 18:10.47 | enginuitor | Anyway, my point was that Opie is, in my case, better suited to those looking to use their Zaurus for traditional PDA tasks |
| 18:10.54 | hobbs | Opie is a better place to start, I think :) |
| 18:11.01 | Schmooster | are QT completely OSS now? I seem to remember they were retaining some copyrights a few years back |
| 18:11.10 | enginuitor | There's always the option of putting two loopfiles on an SD card, and running dualboot :-) |
| 18:11.30 | enginuitor | SD cards are getting incredibly cheap |
| 18:11.33 | Schmooster | enginuitor, I'll leave that task for a short while, yet |
| 18:11.51 | enginuitor | Fry's Electronics recently had, if I recall correctly, a 2GB SD card for $35 |
| 18:11.56 | Schmooster | just want to make sure I can _not_ turn my new toy into a brick, first |
| 18:12.20 | Schmooster | i can get a 4gb one for about £90 I think |
| 18:12.52 | hobbs | Schmooster: Qt offers GPL versions of all of their platforms except Win32 for 3.x |
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| 18:12.58 | Schmooster | but plumped for a 1gb one today, as I understand that's the default limitation on this machine _before_ an OZ install |
| 18:13.05 | hobbs | Schmooster: and GPL versions of all platforms for Qt 4.0 |
| 18:13.13 | Schmooster | cool, hobbs |
| 18:13.38 | Schmooster | oh yeah...total came to £318 + £64 (customs charge). Arrived on Friday |
| 18:13.52 | hobbs | (they also license a commercial version, but that doesn't affect things too much) |
| 18:14.00 | Schmooster | decent price, as Figlabs were saying , like, £465 |
| 18:14.24 | Schmooster | ADLink wifi card was £15-ish, 1gb SD was £25 |
| 18:14.42 | Schmooster | all in all, a decent price for a portable perl machine ;) |
| 18:14.53 | Schmooster | pocketable, even |
| 18:24.54 | enginuitor | Where does OZ keep its network settings? |
| 18:24.56 | balle_ | could i install all that libs needed by abiword and run it on opie? or would i have to dualboot? |
| 18:25.14 | enginuitor | Every time I go in and change something in the Network Settings applet, my changes are ignored |
| 18:25.19 | balle_ | in /etc/network |
| 18:26.54 | enginuitor | odd... there's nothing there :-/ |
| 18:27.11 | Schmooster | oh. here's a question. is there a browser in which Flash functions? |
| 18:27.47 | Schmooster | hmm. or does mplayer play flv's |
| 18:28.01 | enginuitor | It's funny... every OZ release calls my WiFi CF card by a different name :-D |
| 18:28.10 | enginuitor | Now it's a "Farallon SkyLine" |
| 18:28.22 | Schmooster | must be a polynomial CF car d;) |
| 18:28.33 | balle_ | hehe |
| 18:29.06 | enginuitor | Gosh dang it |
| 18:29.14 | enginuitor | Looks like network functionality is totally defective in 3.5.4 |
| 18:29.19 | Schmooster | i have wit, but it's rare & directed at a very eclectic audience :) |
| 18:29.23 | enginuitor | Seems like someone would have mentioned that in the release notes |
| 18:29.55 | Schmooster | yeah, that would've been nice. is your wlan-ng.conf or whatever file correct for your card? |
| 18:30.06 | enginuitor | I'm trying with an ethernet card now |
| 18:30.31 | enginuitor | I can't bring it up (it doesn't even try... just immediately spits out "starting interface failed"), and there's still nothing in /etc/network/ |
| 18:31.04 | balle_ | you need a /etc/network/interfaces to automatically configure your network device |
| 18:31.07 | Schmooster | goddamn, copying 1.7 gb over usb is sloooooooww |
| 18:31.21 | balle_ | i dont think its written after inserting |
| 18:32.29 | balle_ | need an example? |
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| 18:44.26 | enginuitor | ow |
| 18:44.31 | enginuitor | stupid router, locking up |
| 18:44.54 | enginuitor | Anyway, how do I convince networksettings that wlan0 is not an "ethernet" interface? |
| 18:45.05 | enginuitor | ...and why do I have both "wifi0" and "wlan0"? |
| 18:45.47 | balle_ | you have both because of using hostap |
| 18:46.00 | balle_ | just ignore wifi0 and use wlan0 |
| 18:46.07 | enginuitor | ok |
| 18:46.30 | enginuitor | wow |
| 18:46.36 | enginuitor | Pretty violent crash just now |
| 18:46.46 | balle_ | ? |
| 18:46.59 | enginuitor | Screen turned grey and started "snowing", and the thing made this horrible extremely high pitched screeching noise |
| 18:47.17 | balle_ | oO |
| 18:50.38 | enginuitor | hmm |
| 18:50.46 | enginuitor | Still thinks my WiFi card is an "ethernet" interface |
| 18:51.02 | enginuitor | Is there some sort of flag I need to put in the "interfaces" file to tell it otherwise? |
| 18:51.38 | Kerwood | enginuitor: does it bother you that it likes to regard it as eth0 and not wlan0? |
| 18:51.53 | Kerwood | what function is preventing by the way thigns are? |
| 18:52.02 | Kerwood | s/ing/ed/ |
| 18:52.13 | enginuitor | It's calling it "wlan0" but it's listed as an "ethernet" interface in networksettings |
| 18:52.23 | enginuitor | I can't change the wireless settings... there is no tab for it.. |
| 18:52.47 | Kerwood | I found the network settings app to be useless except for doing initial sniffing |
| 18:53.07 | Kerwood | I edit the /etc/network/interfaces file now |
| 18:53.46 | Kerwood | then I type "ifup eth0=home" or whatever according to the multiple setups in the intefaces file for eth0 |
| 18:54.58 | enginuitor | What does "auto wlan0" do in the interfaces file? |
| 18:55.13 | Kerwood | dunno |
| 18:55.53 | enginuitor | ifup isn't even trying to configure the card |
| 18:56.02 | Kerwood | suuposedly the 'interface' file is based on the Debian model, so you should read up on it likewise |
| 18:56.09 | enginuitor | The LED stays off, but it tries to get a DHCP lease anyway |
| 18:56.41 | Schmooster | is it necessary to mke2fs before re-flashing? |
| 18:57.07 | Kerwood | let me get my interfaces file pastebinned -- stby |
| 18:57.57 | enginuitor | 'k, thanks |
| 18:58.38 | enginuitor | OK, I can't set the essid with iwconfig |
| 18:58.45 | enginuitor | "SET failed" |
| 18:58.49 | enginuitor | "invalid argument" |
| 18:59.15 | enginuitor | I can't take any more of this today |
| 18:59.19 | enginuitor | I'll try more tomorrow |
| 19:03.21 | Kerwood | enginuitor: http://rafb.net/paste/results/VXNBld75.html |
| 19:03.59 | Kerwood | so I type "ifup eth0=home" and it sets a static IP with my router as the gateway |
| 19:04.45 | Kerwood | at work we only use dynamic addresses, so "ifup eth0=work" uses the default behavior described at the first line |
| 19:05.46 | Kerwood | I also have an USB ethernet dongle, and it works in exactly the same way when I using a wired connection to the same networks |
| 19:06.27 | Kerwood | actually the "work" target only support wired connections, but you get the idea |
| 19:07.51 | Kerwood | this method was described by koen in the OE forums |
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| 19:08.59 | Schmooster | hey, anyone...critical point here..? |
| 19:09.46 | Kerwood | Schmooster: sorry, what are you in the middle of? |
| 19:10.10 | Schmooster | flashing to an opie install :) |
| 19:10.23 | Schmooster | I've just fdisk'd |
| 19:10.44 | Schmooster | about to try the 'Update' from an SD card |
| 19:11.07 | Kerwood | well, yeah, I seem to remember not only making the e2 FS but also the FAT32 FS as well before proceeding with the flash |
| 19:11.31 | Kerwood | you ARE following the directions in the wiki, aren't you? |
| 19:11.37 | Schmooster | yar |
| 19:11.58 | Schmooster | no mention of a mke2fs :/ |
| 19:12.00 | Kerwood | seems to me like the wiki was pretty clear about that point |
| 19:12.04 | Schmooster | ah.. |
| 19:12.08 | Kerwood | lemme see... |
| 19:12.17 | balle_ | i did the mkfs stuff after re-flashing yesterday |
| 19:12.21 | Schmooster | seems it's saying "Now formatting" |
| 19:12.36 | Schmooster | ...now extracting |
| 19:12.43 | Schmooster | wooohoo ;) ! |
| 19:13.11 | balle_ | *g* |
| 19:13.13 | Kerwood | when it says it's rebooting, be sure to remove the SD card |
| 19:13.21 | Schmooster | will do |
| 19:13.34 | Schmooster | me likee this device :) |
| 19:13.42 | Kerwood | with the very first boot, it want's to run the media config nonsense and gets all wonky |
| 19:14.11 | Schmooster | all I wanna do is hack perl on the tube ;) |
| 19:14.25 | Schmooster | withut getting out a bulk laptop |
| 19:14.32 | Schmooster | without, even |
| 19:14.49 | Schmooster | errm, bulky, even |
| 19:14.53 | Schmooster | I must be pissed |
| 19:15.23 | Schmooster | I'm nervous |
| 19:15.57 | Schmooster | aha.."Finish !" |
| 19:16.12 | Schmooster | woohoo! Open (Dragon) Zaurus |
| 19:17.01 | Schmooster | altboot v1.0.7 |
| 19:17.05 | Schmooster | all good so far |
| 19:17.14 | Schmooster | weee...nice startup image |
| 19:17.31 | Schmooster | very cute dragon: kudos to the designed |
| 19:17.38 | Schmooster | designer, even |
| 19:18.05 | Schmooster | "Welcome to Opie" |
| 19:20.16 | Schmooster | it worketh!! |
| 19:21.14 | CoreDump|bbl | =) |
| 19:21.33 | Schmooster | wifi working, it appears :) |
| 19:21.57 | Schmooster | much sweeter interface than the default |
| 19:22.23 | Schmooster | ipkg upgrading now :) |
| 19:22.30 | Schmooster | i :) too much |
| 19:24.06 | Schmooster | sooooo...what are good packages to install... |
| 19:24.35 | Schmooster | rrrr 'Cannot find package perl" |
| 19:25.11 | balle_ | you have to add the feed perl to /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 19:25.53 | Schmooster | umm...the feed linked to from the wiki? |
| 19:27.52 | balle_ | damn i cannot do copy and paste on my zaurus |
| 19:28.12 | flux | balle_: launch "xmonobut" |
| 19:29.10 | Kerwood | Schmooster: calm down, and try using the package manager |
| 19:29.46 | Kerwood | Schmooster: as you can see in http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4.1/feed/perl, |
| 19:29.46 | Kerwood | there's a lot to the Perl feed, yo |
| 19:31.45 | Schmooster | ahhhh, it's seperate |
| 19:31.49 | Schmooster | nice, ta |
| 19:33.17 | Schmooster | I'm going to kiss everyone who contributed to this....or, umm, I may just give them a hearty handshake |
| 19:35.18 | Schmooster | (not really, just using a texstual representation of how I feel ;) |
| 19:37.21 | balle_ | drinking too much coffee? ;) |
| 19:38.39 | Schmooster | yeah, that's always a problem with me :D |
| 19:43.28 | Schmooster | rey...perl viable |
| 19:44.35 | balle_ | looks like i cannot run gpe apps under opie |
| 19:45.55 | JustinP | balle_: ummm....yeah, and likewise. GPE = X, Opie = QT/e |
| 19:46.08 | JustinP | different graphical systems |
| 19:46.24 | Schmooster | is that rott what I think it is? |
| 19:48.13 | balle_ | okay on my normal desktop i can run gnome apps on kde. but not on zaurus. now i know it :D |
| 20:19.38 | enginuitor | hmm |
| 20:19.53 | enginuitor | Maybe I'll try upgrading hostap |
| 20:19.56 | Kerwood | enginuitor: wondered where you went |
| 20:20.10 | enginuitor | Out to lunch :-) |
| 20:20.14 | Kerwood | ah |
| 20:20.27 | enginuitor | I'm upgrading a pile of packages, including hostap |
| 20:20.29 | Kerwood | you saw my spew earlier? |
| 20:20.33 | enginuitor | Yeah |
| 20:20.58 | enginuitor | I think there must have been a bug in my copy of hostap |
| 20:21.10 | enginuitor | The driver wouldn't let me set the card's essid |
| 20:21.24 | enginuitor | Plus, after about 30 seconds with the card in, the screen would start flickering |
| 20:21.36 | Kerwood | yeesh |
| 20:21.36 | enginuitor | ...and then the OS would start acting "jerky" |
| 20:21.41 | enginuitor | Sometimes it would crash altogether |
| 20:22.40 | enginuitor | This is a run-of-the-mill brandless imported Prism2 card |
| 20:22.47 | enginuitor | I had it working nicely before |
| 20:22.54 | enginuitor | We'll see if the upgrade fixes anything... |
| 20:23.03 | Kerwood | roger dat |
| 20:23.13 | enginuitor | Then my next problem will be the "Deactivate LCD only" problem :-D |
| 20:24.54 | Kerwood | y'know, that was something that gave me a fright earlier. Under opie, I learned to NEVER set the LCD brightness to zero, because there doesn't seem to be a way to reverse that mistake! |
| 20:25.17 | Laibsch | Still wondering about the best method to backup my altboot'ed loop image. I guess just copying and fsck'ing the copy is better than nothing or is it? |
| 20:26.10 | enginuitor | I just copy it over and hide it somewhere where I won't accidentally delete it :-) |
| 20:26.27 | enginuitor | OK, well... |
| 20:26.38 | enginuitor | At least networksettings shows the interface as a wireless interface now |
| 20:26.47 | enginuitor | ...and it seems to be preserving my settings |
| 20:27.24 | Kerwood | I don't know. Right now I'm running vanilla Opie on a terrier, and I have a script that tars the /home/root and /etc directories |
| 20:27.24 | Kerwood | then copies that tar to SD, to minimize the price of the "sync" mount |
| 20:27.25 | enginuitor | Of course, when I try to view the 802.11b tab in the start/stop dialog (what the heck is it doing there, anyway?) networksettings SIGSEGV's |
| 20:28.19 | enginuitor | oh, marvelous |
| 20:28.28 | enginuitor | Now iwconfig segfaults when I try to view the card status |
| 20:29.06 | Kerwood | Laibsch: BTW, I was rooting for you when you went toe-to-toe with koen yesterday, even though I knew it would do little real good. |
| 20:29.06 | Kerwood | Laibsch: Petulance has no known limits |
| 20:29.30 | Laibsch | rooting? |
| 20:29.43 | Kerwood | cheering you on |
| 20:30.23 | Laibsch | OK, thanks for your support. |
| 20:31.10 | enginuitor | Oh, what a marvelous piece of sh** I have here |
| 20:31.19 | Laibsch | enginuitor: I think that is what I will do as well. When there is no activity on the Z, it seems that e2fsck does not even find errors. Not a perfect backup but better than nothing. |
| 20:31.32 | Kerwood | enginuitor: are you running vanilla 3.5.4.1? |
| 20:31.39 | enginuitor | 3.5.4 |
| 20:31.47 | enginuitor | 3.5.4.1 sounds even more broken |
| 20:31.58 | enginuitor | No sound? No SD/MMC? Bleh! |
| 20:32.17 | Kerwood | enginuitor: is your platform a clamshell? |
| 20:32.24 | enginuitor | Collie |
| 20:32.26 | enginuitor | SL-5500 |
| 20:33.03 | enginuitor | err, 3.5.4.2 was the one I was referring to |
| 20:33.17 | enginuitor | 3.5.4.1 wasn't even released for Collie |
| 20:33.51 | enginuitor | HAHAHA |
| 20:33.59 | enginuitor | Now it's gone back to calling it an "ethernet" interface |
| 20:34.29 | Kerwood | enginuitor: OK, that explains my confusion. I must say that the 3.5.4.1 release seems to work more than it fails on my terrier |
| 20:35.10 | enginuitor | My regular ethernet card works fine, but that doesn't do me much good when I'm away from the desk |
| 20:36.01 | Laibsch | Wow, I just mounted my 250GB NFS dir on the Z. This is amazing! |
| 20:37.54 | enginuitor | Good to hear that *somebody* is having fun... :-P |
| 20:40.16 | Laibsch | hehe |
| 20:40.23 | Laibsch | I am enjoying myself. |
| 20:40.30 | enginuitor | I seem to remember having, at one point, an OZ rom that actually worked reasonably well |
| 20:40.40 | enginuitor | I just can't remember what ancient version that was |
| 20:40.49 | Laibsch | Well, I am at that point now. |
| 20:40.56 | Laibsch | It can only go downhill ;-) |
| 20:41.02 | enginuitor | heh |
| 20:41.15 | enginuitor | Why the heck does the Collie release have bluetooth stuff in it? |
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| 20:41.55 | mimecar | hi |
| 20:42.17 | enginuitor | hello |
| 20:42.37 | enginuitor | Hey, solid green light |
| 20:44.04 | enginuitor | hmm, never mind |
| 20:44.19 | enginuitor | OK, Zaurus goes back in the drawer until 3.5.5 |
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| 20:45.31 | Schmooster_Zauru | oh, sweet |
| 20:45.48 | mimecar | enginuitor: why ? |
| 20:45.51 | Schmooster_Zauru | all connected from thee 32200 :) |
| 20:46.17 | Schmooster_Zauru | damn key repeat is too fast |
| 20:46.24 | mimecar | xDDDDDDD |
| 20:47.19 | Schmooster_Zauru | i love this machine |
| 20:47.37 | mimecar | Schmooster_Zauru: what's your model ? |
| 20:47.38 | CoreDump|home | SL-Cxxxx rocks |
| 20:47.57 | mimecar | SL5500 is better ;( |
| 20:47.59 | mimecar | ;) |
| 20:48.04 | mimecar | wrong sign |
| 20:48.26 | Kerwood | I have to agree, the SL-Cxxx is frumpy but usable in the real world |
| 20:48.31 | Schmooster_Zauru | well, I'm happy for now........ |
| 20:48.39 | Schmooster_Zauru | frumpy? |
| 20:49.27 | Kerwood | Schmooster_Zauru: frumpy == not really glitzy |
| 20:50.11 | Schmooster_Zauru | ah, but this is all the laptop I need :) |
| 20:51.33 | Schmooster_Zauru | and Oz has a proper wm :) |
| 20:51.36 | mimecar | I would like buy a C1000 |
| 20:51.42 | mimecar | some day... |
| 20:51.47 | Kerwood | Many years ago I grieved when my HP 100LX died |
| 20:51.47 | Kerwood | I never was able to replace it's level of utility, even when I went through my PalmOS phase |
| 20:51.47 | Kerwood | but a Linux-based Zaurus...yeaahhh baybee |
| 20:52.15 | mimecar | you can compile programs on the same devide |
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| 20:52.25 | mimecar | with C or develop with python |
| 20:52.36 | Schmooster_Zauru | this is plainly the coolest techie device ever |
| 20:52.53 | mimecar | I have both zaurus and palm |
| 20:53.10 | mimecar | I can do things with my collie I can't do with the palm |
| 20:53.19 | mimecar | 2002 VS 2006 model... |
| 20:53.38 | Schmooster_Zauru | surprisingly responsive.... |
| 20:54.38 | wpiku | zaurus WAS the coolest device |
| 20:54.44 | wpiku | now it's the new green phone |
| 20:54.47 | mimecar | I'm speaking about SL-5500, not a Cx00 |
| 20:54.47 | wpiku | I want one of those BAD |
| 20:55.09 | wpiku | though I don't like that the baseband stuff is closed |
| 20:55.19 | wpiku | which means openembedded probably will never happen easily |
| 20:55.46 | mimecar | wpiku: with green phone ? |
| 20:57.12 | Kerwood | wpiku: That's why I walked away from a smartphone. I needed a PDA, but I knew that the telephone half would drive all the design decisions |
| 20:57.12 | Kerwood | I wanted a PDA first, not a cellphone which did crippled PDA-like things |
| 20:57.56 | mimecar | a phone with the basic things (IR and bluetooth) and a good pda |
| 20:58.12 | mimecar | if you have a cool pda, you don't need pay for the extras on the phone side |
| 20:58.29 | mimecar | and some models suchs as greephone will lock the phone system |
| 20:58.38 | mimecar | for wrong manipulations |
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| 21:22.58 | enginuitor | The greenphone looks pretty, but... dammit! Why'd they have to put a camera on it? |
| 21:24.08 | mimecar | camera + wifi... |
| 21:24.21 | enginuitor | OK, good point |
| 21:24.34 | enginuitor | Still, I will never buy any mobile phone with a non-removable camera |
| 21:24.36 | mimecar | I think it has wifi |
| 21:25.11 | enginuitor | They are banned outright in most schools around here, as well as businesses and government facilities where any kind of information secrecy is necessary |
| 21:26.00 | enginuitor | I love the school district's thinking... "People might do something illegal with them, so let's make it against the rules to possess them" |
| 21:26.02 | enginuitor | uhhhhhhhh |
| 21:26.25 | enginuitor | Let's see here... |
| 21:27.28 | enginuitor | You're *already* breaking the rules if you use a mobile phone to cheat or photograph a fellow student an an inappropriate way... |
| 21:27.50 | enginuitor | ...so what's the difference if you're breaking three rules instead of two? |
| 21:29.13 | enginuitor | The only thing accomplished by banning camera-phones outright is to give administrators an excuse to confiscate them without real justification, and to make things hard on those who need communications capability for legitimate purposes and happen to have a camera stuck on their phone |
| 21:29.59 | enginuitor | Actually, technically, any and all electronic image capture devices are banned |
| 21:30.19 | enginuitor | I think the administrators should raid the photography classroom and disband the photo club |
| 21:32.33 | enginuitor | Not only can one not possess any electronic device with an imaging sensor in it... even normal mobile telephones must be turned off and kept out of sight during all school hours, including passing periods and lunch break |
| 21:32.52 | Laibsch | I cannot find out what package ships the mount command. /usr/lib/ipkg/info/*.list does not have it. |
| 21:32.58 | Laibsch | Anybody know? |
| 21:33.11 | mimecar | Laibsch: coreutils ? |
| 21:33.20 | enginuitor | I think I should buy a whole crate of ancient first-gen GSM phones, and let them confiscate as many as they want until they run out of space to store them |
| 21:33.25 | Laibsch | It is busybox mount |
| 21:36.34 | enginuitor | Oh, here's an idea... I'll take the little embedded GSM brick I've got in my parts box and mount it inside a hollowed-out textbook! :-D |
| 21:38.28 | enginuitor | Nobody will suspect a thing! |
| 21:39.50 | enginuitor | The undereducated campus supervisory staff members will be clueless! |
| 22:29.01 | hobbs | Schmooster: were you looking for something? |
| 22:30.54 | Laibsch | Anybody using kopi and/or kapi on the Z? |
| 22:30.59 | flux | hum... i was looking for something... or wondering... |
| 22:31.28 | flux | is it normal that "uptime" don't say me the number of days that my Z was "awake" ? |
| 22:33.24 | flux | (and only hours, that comes back to "0" every 24h... |
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| 23:00.05 | dgym | you know its a truly great PDA when you can run gentoo on it... now if only I could sort out the darned keyboard on the c3000, does anyone have any chording software? |
| 23:00.45 | dgym | i hoped to get a twiddler (extern chording keyboard) before I went travelling again but it looks like it won't arrive in time |
| 23:01.12 | dgym | so I was thinking about turning the present keyboard into a chorded input device |
| 23:02.26 | flux | what does it mean ? |
| 23:02.31 | dgym | i think the easiest way to do that would be to modify a vnc viewer, as that avoids any kernel or X work |
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| 23:03.19 | dgym | ... you press several keys in different combinations to enter a character, a dedicated chorded keyboard might only have 7 keys |
| 23:03.45 | flux | oh, ok |
| 23:04.08 | dgym | on the c3000 I can place my thumbs to be over 6 keys all the time (the buttons are a bit too hard to press to use fingers) |
| 23:04.40 | dgym | so it might work... |
| 23:04.55 | flux | why don't you plug an usb-keyboard ? |
| 23:05.15 | dgym | does anyone have any idea how hard this would be to add to the kernel? i presume some custom input handling had to be added for the keyboard in the first place |
| 23:05.50 | dgym | external keyboards tend to be kind of big, not a good thing when travelling by bicycle |
| 23:06.35 | flux | happy hacking keyboard ain't really big. and i got a keyboard perfect for bicycle and other stuff... wait |
| 23:06.38 | dgym | oh, and I want to use the usb for networking, it is a shame there is only one port |
| 23:07.05 | flux | (if you usbnet... i can't say a word...) |
| 23:07.39 | dgym | it is even more of a shame that my usb hub drains more battery power than my zaurus, i think it might be faulty... |
| 23:08.26 | flux | http://www.nauticom.fr/store/product_info.php?cPath=48_55&products_id=1071 |
| 23:08.29 | dgym | i prefer bluetooth to usbnet, if it can be powered as well as the prerequisite hub and keyboard |
| 23:08.37 | flux | (it's in french, but you might understand) |
| 23:09.24 | dgym | does that roll up? it looks kind of soft |
| 23:09.26 | flux | and this one is bigger, but same system |
| 23:09.31 | flux | that the one i have |
| 23:09.37 | flux | yes, it's soft |
| 23:09.43 | flux | and you can roll it |
| 23:09.43 | dgym | ah, souple |
| 23:10.29 | dgym | doesn't that seem a bit overpowering when plugged into a little zaurus :) |
| 23:11.02 | flux | the big one -> 100mA |
| 23:11.29 | flux | (and you may plug 150mA max, after, you need a powered hub |
| 23:12.20 | dgym | i just meant the size of the thing... any idea what a typical hub drains? mine actually gets very ot to the touch which I am sure isn't right |
| 23:16.27 | dgym | could you not use an unpowered hub if you attached a 5v battery directly to a usb device, i.e. cut the positive cable and attach the device side to the battery? |
| 23:17.14 | dgym | (i am sure there is an electronics engineer turning in their grave at that suggestion) |
| 23:20.49 | hobbs | dgym: I would think it would make more sense to use a powered hub that takes a couple batteries :) |
| 23:20.54 | hobbs | they do exist |
| 23:24.45 | dgym | oh, thanks, that might be safer. |
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