| 00:03.16 | pasky | I guess I'll try to put the root on the CF first |
| 00:07.06 | JustinP | pasky: good luck :-) |
| 00:07.16 | JustinP | pasky: of course that means no wifi :-( |
| 00:09.06 | pasky | yeah.. well, I don't mind that *that* much, I use Zaurus for network access only in emergencies where GPRS is enough and I'm most likely not anywhere near wifi signal anyway |
| 00:09.47 | pasky | ok, so the trick now is to tell altboot to look at /dev/hda2, not /dev/hda1 ;) |
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| 00:21.01 | wayne | 3.5.4.2rc2 on poodle: I insert a spectrum24 wifi card and get "Cannot find firmware: symbol_sp24t_prim_fw". Any ideas? |
| 00:54.04 | pasky | omg |
| 00:54.07 | pasky | this altboot thing is awful |
| 00:55.57 | wayne | how'S that? |
| 00:56.14 | pasky | I'm trying to use the install-from-tarball functionality |
| 00:56.38 | pasky | which won't work if I have SD card inserted in the slot, even if I'm doing nothing with it |
| 00:56.58 | pasky | ok, then there are some problems I had to fix wrt. my ext2 partition being /dev/hda2, not altboot's fault |
| 00:57.22 | pasky | now it turns out I'll have to hack it again because it can't go on without wiping the card clean before unpacking the tarball |
| 00:57.52 | wayne | :( |
| 00:58.06 | wayne | well join the club, i can't get a simple enough spectrum wifi card to work |
| 00:59.18 | pasky | if only the collie vty would work properly :( |
| 01:00.35 | wayne | it'S also broken? |
| 01:00.46 | wayne | i know vt'S are inaccessible with opie so heh |
| 01:00.49 | pasky | it seems to be larger than framebuffer size |
| 01:01.08 | pasky | causing really weird effects |
| 01:01.16 | wayne | oh funny, i have a similar problem with the terminal |
| 01:01.22 | wayne | the window extends under the taskbar |
| 01:01.31 | wayne | so the line you'Re typing is effectively hidden |
| 01:01.40 | pasky | yeah, but that's bearable compared to this :) |
| 01:01.45 | wayne | indeed it is : |
| 01:01.46 | wayne | :) |
| 01:01.54 | wayne | well, no wifi for me is showstopper |
| 01:04.25 | hvontres|poodle | pasky: which version of altboot do you have?\ |
| 01:05.54 | pasky | hvontres|poodle: the one coming with latest collie opie image |
| 01:06.09 | pasky | hmm, and it doesn't show progress of unpacking |
| 01:06.10 | wayne | i love documentation such as this: " |
| 01:06.17 | wayne | Unzip package and install the apps in the usual way." Right. And what'S the usual way? |
| 01:07.53 | hvontres|poodle | wayne: do you know if the spectrum is a prism-3 card? |
| 01:08.40 | hvontres|poodle | pasky: what does "ipkg info alboot" say |
| 01:08.45 | wayne | hvontres|poodle: prism2.5 from what i recall. |
| 01:11.40 | hvontres|poodle | wayne: I just checked the feed browser, and there is a spectrum-fw package out in the feed. Maybe that needs to be added. |
| 01:12.13 | pasky | hmm, something went wrong since it didn't yet finish unpacking |
| 01:12.17 | wayne | hrm, a challenge. Grabbing a package from the net to fix the wifi which is required to get the package :( |
| 01:12.31 | wayne | i guess i could go back to sharprom, put the file on SD, and try again |
| 01:12.41 | hvontres|poodle | wayne: do you have a cradle or a usb cable? |
| 01:12.51 | pasky | and to make sure I wouldn't know, altboot redirects stderr to /dev/null |
| 01:12.53 | wayne | but indeed, the package you'Ve found is most probably it, since it complains about firmware |
| 01:12.57 | pasky | who _wrote_ that? |
| 01:13.18 | wayne | hvontres|poodle: yes but openzaurus + windowspc = noconnect... |
| 01:13.30 | hvontres|poodle | pasky: that would be the all mighty CoreDump.. |
| 01:14.11 | hvontres|poodle | wayne: actually, I am typing this from my poodle connected to a windows XP box thru ssh...:) |
| 01:14.53 | wayne | hvontres|poodle: USB link with OZ? Last time i checked this couldn't be done! well then, good news i guess |
| 01:15.13 | hvontres|poodle | you need to modprobe g_ether first and then bring up and configure usb0 not usbd0 (on 2.6 kernels) |
| 01:15.31 | hvontres|poodle | actually that was the first thing I got working under 2.6 :) |
| 01:15.48 | wayne | but what does windows XP have to do to map the internet through usb ? |
| 01:16.19 | pasky | hvontres|poodle: 1.0.5-r0 |
| 01:16.31 | Kevin` | on xp all you need is a linux.inf file to install the driver.. someone probably already said this though |
| 01:16.35 | hvontres|poodle | I set up ICS on the LAN card on my work machine ... just don't tell my IS guys :) |
| 01:16.54 | wayne | i'm confused but i'll take your word for it |
| 01:17.02 | Kevin` | hvontres|poodle i'd have put the pda in front, with an ethernet card |
| 01:17.18 | Kevin` | hm does OZ kernel have ip forwarding and iptables nat? |
| 01:17.47 | hvontres|poodle | pasky: try installing 1.0.8 from the feeds, it works much better. |
| 01:18.59 | hvontres|poodle | Kevin: Don't know. I have the pc take care of that stuff :) |
| 01:19.10 | pasky | hvontres|poodle: which means that (i) I will have to setup the whole system again, just for that (ii) lose my changes, which is bad if it's still broken :( |
| 01:19.33 | Kevin` | well I can take a device in my pocket that can easily act as a wireless ap or router in a pinch.. i'd like to use that at times :) |
| 01:20.18 | Kevin` | (or a wireless client bridge, for a pc with only usb) |
| 01:20.50 | hvontres|poodle | Kevin: you might need to check with one of the main devs. |
| 01:21.57 | Kevin` | hvontres|poodle once I ask enough random quesions they generally wake up and start answering :) |
| 01:23.18 | hvontres|poodle | Kevin: actually RP is probably your best bet, since he is the Zaurus Kernel God.. I got him to get the poodle audio to work after a little pestering :) |
| 01:24.32 | Kevin` | should pester him to get key combos to work for right+middle click |
| 01:24.55 | wayne | hmm poodle sound.. that didn'T quite work for me |
| 01:25.03 | wayne | not that i've investigated it. |
| 01:25.20 | wayne | I'd just like to point out that I have absolutely nothing to contribute to this conversation. |
| 01:25.27 | wayne | :) |
| 01:27.59 | hvontres|poodle | wayne: I think you need to poke around in alsamixer to enable some stuff. Also the opie volume control dosn't work with the new poodle sound stuff. |
| 01:28.26 | hvontres|poodle | its been a while tho.. |
| 01:29.30 | wayne | ahh so that'S why, the volume control, right i've read about this in the wiki i think.. hmm.. |
| 01:42.30 | hvontres|poodle | wayne: I think there is also some stuff on oesf... when it ever comes back. |
| 01:47.00 | hvontres|poodle | wayne: as a matter of fact, I did post some instructions on how to get windows usb networking to work. |
| 01:50.36 | hvontres|poodle | going home now. |
| 02:23.44 | pasky | hmm |
| 02:23.56 | pasky | so I finally managed to install the root fs on CF card |
| 02:24.05 | pasky | but sure enough, the system did not survive suspend/resume |
| 02:24.06 | pasky | :-(( |
| 02:24.15 | agaffney | what device? |
| 02:24.18 | agaffney | collie? |
| 02:24.20 | pasky | yep |
| 02:24.31 | agaffney | I bet you installed the cardfs with altboot |
| 02:24.45 | pasky | I don't know anything about cardfs |
| 02:24.51 | pasky | Yes, I used altboot |
| 02:25.06 | agaffney | it's a known issue |
| 02:25.14 | agaffney | previously thought to only be with SD |
| 02:25.27 | agaffney | but apparently there's something "weird" with the userland and/or altboot |
| 02:25.37 | agaffney | I had to do it "manually" with a card reader and my laptop |
| 02:25.43 | agaffney | to get it to work right |
| 02:25.50 | pasky | to do what? |
| 02:26.15 | agaffney | install the cardfs onto a SD card to boot from it |
| 02:26.51 | pasky | hmm |
| 02:27.09 | pasky | when altboot tries to boot from CF, kernel doesn't see the CF yet |
| 02:27.10 | pasky | *sigh* |
| 02:27.26 | pasky | I should've stayed with my good ole' 3.3.6-pre1 with all its flaws :/ |
| 02:27.35 | pasky | at least the basics worked roughly |
| 02:29.58 | pasky | agaffney: I'm not using cardfs |
| 02:30.02 | pasky | agaffney: I used the tarball method |
| 02:30.27 | agaffney | yes, that's called a cardfs |
| 02:30.46 | agaffney | a pre-packaged filesystem meant for a card (CF or SD) |
| 02:31.16 | pasky | but this one was meant for the internal flash |
| 02:31.21 | pasky | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/images/collie/tarballs/opie-image-3.5.4-collie.rootfs.tar.gz |
| 02:35.08 | pasky | when the system starts up fully, the kernel sees /dev/hda |
| 02:35.21 | pasky | but not in the altboot stage, thus altboot can't boot from /dev/hda |
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| 02:41.37 | pasky | So, judging by http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/familiar/290/29025.html I have just wasted three hours and having rootfs on CF card in fact does not really work. :-(( |
| 02:41.43 | pasky | Oh well. |
| 02:44.14 | agaffney | well, that's talking about an ipaq |
| 02:44.28 | agaffney | and really, a collie with rootfs on CF is a bit useless |
| 02:44.40 | agaffney | no wireless or any other cool accessories |
| 02:46.04 | pasky | I don't care about wireless. |
| 02:46.34 | pasky | collie with rootfs on SD would be totally useless for me, OTOH |
| 02:48.51 | agaffney | why? |
| 02:48.57 | agaffney | it works well for many other people |
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| 03:07.41 | JoseJX | Works okay here |
| 03:07.45 | JoseJX | :) |
| 03:09.09 | JoseJX | agaffney: What kind of Z do you have? I've just gotten a 5000D from a friend. |
| 03:11.07 | agaffney | 5500 I got from gerrynjr |
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| 03:14.36 | pasky | agaffney: because I commonly share sd cards between my camera and zaurus, and juggle with multiple sd cards |
| 03:14.56 | pasky | and also share it with my notebook; much more convenient than having to carry around the usb dock |
| 03:21.00 | agaffney | JoseJX: your 5000D sux0rz :P |
| 03:21.19 | agaffney | JoseJX: only half the internal memory of my 5500, iirc |
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| 03:39.44 | vom | hi all |
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| 03:39.47 | unomi | morning |
| 03:39.58 | vom | anyone know if there are issues with serial_cs module in 3.5.4.1 ? |
| 03:40.09 | vom | im on a 3100, oz opie |
| 03:40.21 | vom | i cant get anything out of a modem and/or gprs card |
| 03:40.32 | vom | and both work in my lt using the cf/pcmcia adapter |
| 03:40.50 | vom | ive tried minicomand kermit on the z |
| 03:41.05 | vom | and ive also even tried echoing directly to the dev |
| 03:41.11 | vom | to make a voice call to my cell |
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| 03:44.08 | JoseJX | agaffney: Yeah, that's why I went with SD root, to free as much internal memory as possible. |
| 03:44.17 | vom | hello Oxin |
| 03:44.34 | agaffney | JoseJX: I'm using SD root as well |
| 03:44.41 | agaffney | the 64MB only goes so far, though |
| 03:44.48 | JoseJX | 32MB is worse :( |
| 03:45.22 | agaffney | JoseJX: got a wifi card or anything yet? |
| 03:45.31 | agaffney | JoseJX: I'll do that right after you buy me one :P |
| 03:45.42 | agaffney | JoseJX: there's always adopt-a-dev ;) |
| 03:46.04 | unomi | i tell ya wifi rocks, just got my card a week ago. |
| 03:46.14 | unomi | now i need a batt pack though :p |
| 03:46.25 | unomi | whats the easiest way to go about that? |
| 03:46.37 | agaffney | ebay or apparently amazon.com |
| 03:46.39 | unomi | just 3.7s in parallel? |
| 03:46.39 | JoseJX | agaffney: Yep, Socket Low Power WLAN card |
| 03:46.39 | Kevin` | adopt-a-dev? |
| 03:46.48 | JoseJX | agaffney: Eh, I'm happy enough with it for now |
| 03:47.08 | JoseJX | agaffney: I started documenting the SD/MMC slot already :p |
| 03:47.21 | unomi | agaffney: this is sexy: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=124 |
| 03:48.01 | agaffney | Kevin`: ignore us :P |
| 03:48.03 | unomi | are V-man or Shdwdrgn still around? |
| 03:48.10 | agaffney | Kevin`: JoseJX and I know each other from elsewhere |
| 03:48.27 | JoseJX | :) |
| 03:48.31 | Kevin` | well i'd love to have a pet developer, heh :) |
| 03:48.51 | agaffney | heh |
| 03:48.58 | agaffney | eh, they pee all over the rug |
| 03:49.02 | agaffney | JoseJX: me to |
| 03:49.03 | agaffney | o |
| 03:49.04 | JoseJX | Mine lasts about 10 minutes |
| 03:49.07 | agaffney | I've got 2 |
| 03:49.08 | JoseJX | :p |
| 03:49.17 | agaffney | one lasts ~45 minutes if I'm lucky |
| 03:49.20 | agaffney | the other is ~5 |
| 03:49.30 | vom | so other than minicom or kermit is there any other way i can 'test' basic IO on my cf serial_cs based card ? |
| 03:49.43 | vom | i dont think its even getting that far |
| 03:49.52 | vom | i.e. this isnt even making it to ppp yet |
| 03:51.34 | unomi | any of you use samba shares on your Z? |
| 03:51.46 | unomi | im using it on a collie, but it seems crazy slow. |
| 03:52.13 | unomi | not copying per se, but navigating the filesystem is a mission. |
| 03:52.25 | unomi | any hints or tips? |
| 04:02.11 | agaffney | I've asked this before but in a slightly different way |
| 04:02.36 | agaffney | does anyone know if Sharp actually *cares* if anyone reverse engineers the 2.4 collie SD driver and fixes it? |
| 04:02.47 | agaffney | is it just that nobody has ever done it? |
| 04:03.06 | agaffney | or that Sharp would whip out the DCMA (or the equivelant in whatever country you're in)? |
| 04:03.52 | agaffney | someone told me part of the reason it hasn't been done it because OZ has no real kernel hackers |
| 04:03.58 | agaffney | is that all there is to it? |
| 04:22.18 | ljp | its that the kernel hacker in oz thinks 2.6 is the bees knees |
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| 04:50.24 | unomi | and 2.6 isnt collie compatible? |
| 04:50.57 | unomi | what is keeping 2.6 from being on collie? |
| 05:10.47 | joshin | sd-card support |
| 05:14.56 | unomi | :/ |
| 05:15.22 | unomi | and sd tech is proprietary and covered in patents? |
| 05:16.09 | unomi | what about the sd drivers for other z's? |
| 05:16.35 | unomi | or were the other z's born with 2.6? sounds unlikely. |
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| 06:50.16 | asittler | I'm, uh. Having a little problem with 3.5.4 on my Collie |
| 06:50.34 | asittler | namely, with ipkg update and pretty much anything involving downloading packages |
| 06:51.20 | asittler | Every mirror I try gets about 20% of any file I try to get, and then stalls and stays stalled... forever. |
| 06:51.42 | asittler | I'm using a Socket LPE CF Ethernet card, if it helps any |
| 06:52.40 | asittler | Is this a known issue, or am I misconfigured somehow? |
| 06:53.18 | unomi | never had it continously stall when dl'ing |
| 06:53.28 | unomi | try ipkg -verbose_wget ? |
| 06:53.35 | asittler | that's how I know it's stalling. |
| 06:53.40 | unomi | yeah.. weird. |
| 06:53.57 | asittler | I'm wondering now if it isn't possibly an issue with my ethernet card. |
| 06:53.59 | unomi | how about manual wget? |
| 06:54.03 | asittler | it is, after all, Low Power. |
| 06:54.10 | asittler | hrm. lemme try that. |
| 06:54.15 | unomi | mhhm. well, it should pick up the connection again? |
| 06:55.08 | unomi | sspace issues? |
| 06:59.21 | asittler | nope. |
| 06:59.27 | asittler | manual wget works fine. |
| 06:59.36 | asittler | it wouldn't even install less to SD without stalling out |
| 06:59.44 | asittler | less is like... 10kb |
| 07:01.01 | asittler | so it's not my network configuration either, even though that is a little wooly because I'm too poor to buy DSL... or WiFi cards for all my machines |
| 07:01.27 | unomi | and /tmp has space? |
| 07:01.52 | asittler | all the wired computers (including the Z atm) run through a WRT54G configured as an infrastructure client |
| 07:03.29 | asittler | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.27 | unomi | sorry, dunno. |
| 07:04.32 | asittler | This is extremely perplexing. And more than a bit annoying :X |
| 07:04.36 | unomi | yeah |
| 07:04.48 | asittler | hmm. |
| 07:04.54 | unomi | ipkg update? |
| 07:04.58 | asittler | what if I tried the --passive-ftp option on my manual wget |
| 07:04.59 | unomi | same deal? |
| 07:05.05 | asittler | Sometimes that stalls out too |
| 07:05.07 | unomi | mhhm |
| 07:05.51 | asittler | bingo. |
| 07:06.02 | unomi | gw |
| 07:06.09 | asittler | Now, how do I disable wget from using the --passive-ftp option when ipkg calls it? |
| 07:06.20 | unomi | =) |
| 07:06.29 | asittler | oh, please tell me it's possible |
| 07:06.49 | unomi | http://www.devicescape.com/docs/wip/package_guide/pkg_ipkg.php |
| 07:09.10 | unomi | http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Ipkg has some troubleshooting details |
| 07:10.16 | asittler | I see that, neither of those sites are doing me much good |
| 07:10.21 | unomi | yeah. |
| 07:10.41 | unomi | http://info2html.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/info2html-demo/info2html?(wget.info.gz)Wgetrc%2520Commands |
| 07:10.59 | unomi | could hope for a wgetrc to also dictate how ipkg uses wget.. |
| 07:11.26 | asittler | let's hope so. |
| 07:11.50 | unomi | `passive_ftp = never' |
| 07:12.37 | asittler | now, if that involves making my own wgetrc I'm gonna be slightly irritated :X |
| 07:12.43 | asittler | but not so much so that I won't do it |
| 07:12.46 | unomi | probably does. |
| 07:12.49 | asittler | because I need a web browser. |
| 07:13.13 | unomi | or link wget to wget --passive... |
| 07:13.42 | asittler | that would also work |
| 07:13.48 | asittler | hmm. |
| 07:14.02 | asittler | is ipkg designed like apt-get? Like a wrapper script? |
| 07:14.25 | unomi | no :/ |
| 07:14.31 | unomi | ipkg looks like a binary |
| 07:14.35 | hobbs | not exactly. It's dpkg on steroids, with bits of APTish behavior tacked on :) |
| 07:15.18 | hobbs | s/It's/It's like/ |
| 07:15.22 | hobbs | stupid bot |
| 07:16.04 | asittler | er. yes. definitely a binary. |
| 07:16.10 | unomi | hey hobbs, you konw how to set proxy with konq-e? |
| 07:16.37 | hobbs | unomi: not offhand. Have you tried setting "http_proxy" in the environment? |
| 07:16.48 | asittler | rightey-oh then. |
| 07:16.53 | asittler | I get to make my own wgetrc. |
| 07:16.59 | asittler | FUN FUN FUN not. |
| 07:17.30 | unomi | hobbs, yeah, tried different variants :/ cant really test it here though |
| 07:17.40 | hobbs | asittler: is putting one line of text in a file really worth so much comment? |
| 07:17.56 | asittler | sometimes it requires more than one line. |
| 07:18.06 | asittler | and syntax isn't exactly my strong point |
| 07:18.09 | asittler | on such a small keyboard |
| 07:18.26 | pgas | it's probably not the real wget..but the busybox version of it. and feeds are available through ftp? |
| 07:18.50 | asittler | Are they, though? |
| 07:19.05 | hobbs | not that I've seen |
| 07:19.22 | unomi | fpgas rock |
| 07:19.51 | pgas | so I'don't know what passive_ftp will do |
| 07:20.53 | unomi | well, his wget works with the passive switches. |
| 07:21.06 | unomi | just if it actually looks for a wgetrc. |
| 07:21.45 | asittler | well now, let's give that a shot. |
| 07:22.18 | pgas | hmm, I would say the problem is elsewhere...but who knows. |
| 07:22.42 | pgas | I don't think the passive ftp option affects an http transfer |
| 07:23.35 | unomi | good call =) |
| 07:23.59 | unomi | hmm, well he tried with the passive on and maual wget stalled, didnt without it. |
| 07:25.05 | pgas | maybe the place where ipkg downloads the package is the difference? maybe the servers works better now? |
| 07:25.51 | hobbs | unomi: could be luck. He said _sometimes_ :) |
| 07:26.22 | hobbs | flaky hardware or software always flakes out in the way that will be most confusing when you try to debug it ;) |
| 07:27.50 | unomi | too true |
| 07:28.15 | unomi | so any of you want to teach me to be a hacker? |
| 07:28.42 | unomi | reasonably intelligent though naive. will learn :p |
| 07:32.08 | pgas | easy: RTFM |
| 07:33.26 | pgas | hacker of what? |
| 07:34.51 | asittler | well, that didn't work. |
| 07:35.39 | asittler | it actually worked perfectly when I wasn't using passive_ftp, but it flaked when I did use passive_ftp. |
| 07:35.41 | asittler | Hence. |
| 07:38.16 | asittler | hrm. Wget doesn't really have any dependencies, does it? |
| 07:39.09 | asittler | I could download the ACTUAL wget package from a feed onto this handy CF card I have, install said Wget package, and unlink the busycrap version, that way it MIGHT respect wgetrc |
| 07:42.58 | pgas | if it has missing dependencies, ipkg tells you about them during installation |
| 07:44.07 | asittler | which it didn't. |
| 07:44.16 | asittler | so I'm assuming there weren't any. |
| 07:46.27 | asittler | now, let's try that. |
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| 07:47.24 | pgas | try dmesg if you have an error |
| 07:47.52 | pgas | maybe you'll see something about wifi problems, problems with the sd etc... |
| 07:48.52 | unomi | pga, well, id like to be in a position where i could reverse engineer the ds driver :p |
| 07:50.55 | pgas | perhaps you can start with http://www.heyrick.co.uk/assembler/ ;) |
| 07:52.55 | unomi | yeah, no, starting with assembler seems a bit excessive? |
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| 07:53.57 | pgas | well, I don't know what you allready knows |
| 07:54.28 | asittler | That worked. |
| 07:54.39 | unomi | http://www.heyrick.co.uk/assembler/podule.html ? |
| 07:55.07 | asittler | I unlinked the gigantastic bundled wgetrc and created my own 1-liner and fixed all my problems. |
| 07:55.25 | hobbs | pgas: what in the world kind of machine is that written for? :) |
| 07:55.39 | hobbs | oh, an actual Acorn |
| 08:11.31 | hrw|work | morning |
| 08:12.23 | pgas | dzien dobry |
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| 08:12.52 | hobbs | a dozen dobermans to you as well |
| 08:13.56 | pgas | you are right english only here ;) |
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| 10:36.29 | Schmoople | pgas, is that czech? |
| 10:36.50 | pgas | I hope it's polish :) |
| 10:37.28 | hrw|work | Polish without diacristics |
| 10:37.33 | hrw|work | ibot: spell diacristics |
| 10:37.48 | hrw|work | proper Polish would be: "dzień dobry" |
| 10:38.08 | pgas | it's from http://www.ehow.com/how_6106_learn-key-phrases.html |
| 10:40.09 | hrw|work | Warnings: The Polish language includes accent marks not noted here. |
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| 13:13.42 | YoG|gone | sorry for the stupid question, but, what does bitbake nano builds? |
| 13:14.34 | hrw|work | YoG: nano and everything needed to build it |
| 13:15.21 | YoG | hrw: so, why did it broke at qemu? it's not needed for nano is it? |
| 13:15.52 | hrw|work | glibc need it |
| 13:16.01 | hrw|work | and qemu-native need gcc3 on host |
| 13:17.51 | YoG | hrw: oh. do you remeber whats the path of gcc, I want to link it to gcc3.4... 3.4 is ok right? |
| 13:18.17 | hrw|work | gcc-3.4 gcc-3.3 gcc32 are checked |
| 13:19.01 | YoG | gcc: /usr/bin |
| 13:19.11 | YoG | thanx |
| 13:21.41 | YoG | hrw: I changed gcc to point to gcc-3.4, do I need to clean the previous compile? |
| 13:21.58 | hrw|work | no |
| 13:22.07 | hrw|work | leave gcc as it is |
| 13:22.22 | hrw|work | you can use gcc 4.x as gcc |
| 13:22.35 | hrw|work | you need to have gcc-3.4 or gcc-3.3 or gcc32 in PATH |
| 13:22.48 | YoG | ah |
| 13:25.36 | YoG | hrw: now I get: "block-qcow.c:26:18: zlib.h: No such file or directory" |
| 13:25.59 | hrw|work | check RequiredSoftware then... |
| 13:26.14 | hrw|work | zlib devel headers are required |
| 13:26.16 | YoG | in openembedded.org? |
| 13:26.20 | hrw|work | yes |
| 13:26.37 | YoG | ah, ok. |
| 13:30.45 | hrw|work | ;) |
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| 13:41.35 | YoG | hrw: I'm trying this on debian etch, I found "python-psyco" is that good enough for the "psyco-JIT-compiler" recomendation? |
| 13:41.43 | hrw|work | yes |
| 13:41.47 | YoG | ok |
| 13:44.14 | agaffney | I asked this last night, but I didn't really get an answer: |
| 13:44.20 | agaffney | I've asked this before but in a slightly different way |
| 13:44.24 | agaffney | does anyone know if Sharp actually *cares* if anyone reverse engineers the 2.4 collie SD driver and fixes it? |
| 13:44.53 | agaffney | is it just that nobody has ever done it or that Sharp would whip out the DCMA (or the equivelant in whatever country you're in)? |
| 13:44.53 | agaffney | someone told me part of the reason it hasn't been done it because OZ has no real kernel hackers. is that all there is to it? |
| 13:45.58 | agaffney | I know of someone that is starting to spec out the driver from the asm, but he's afraid to actually rewrite it due to legal reasons |
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| 13:53.19 | hrw|work | agaffney: 1. we do not know does sharp care about all Zaurus projects or not |
| 13:53.34 | hrw|work | 2. OZ has kernel hackers team |
| 13:53.57 | hrw|work | 3. OZ kernel team is busy with working on all newer models |
| 13:54.21 | hrw|work | 4. when newer models will work OK then team will work more on collie |
| 13:55.01 | hrw|work | 5. reverse-engineering is not legal in many countries so even if someone did it then I will not tell |
| 13:55.48 | agaffney | isn't "clean room" reverse engineering legal in most cases? picking it apart and writing a detailed set of specs? |
| 13:56.02 | agaffney | and then someone else using those specs to write a driver that does the same |
| 13:56.21 | agaffney | or is that even sketchy with the DCMA and friends? |
| 13:57.21 | pgas | it's not even clear if writing a sd driver is legal, but it may have change lately |
| 13:57.29 | hrw|work | locomo specs were available under NDA |
| 13:57.55 | pgas | (an open source sd driver that is) |
| 13:58.37 | agaffney | iirc, the "clean room" approach was how the original IBM PC BIOS was reverse engineered |
| 13:58.46 | agaffney | much to IBM's disapproval |
| 14:00.44 | pgas | hrw|work: hmm, it must be quite difficult to write an open source driver using nda specs without disclosing something about the specs |
| 14:01.37 | hrw|work | pgas: who told 'open source'? |
| 14:02.44 | pgas | ah oki |
| 14:03.54 | pgas | I thought you were talking about something oz devs had access to (for working on an open source driver) |
| 14:08.40 | pgas | agaffney: anyway I don't think anyone can answer you but a lawyer or sharp |
| 14:10.54 | agaffney | pgas: hmm, I guess it can't hurt to just *ask* sharp |
| 14:12.28 | hrw|work | Sharp Japan |
| 14:12.40 | YoG | hrw: I installed all the missing packages (except pcre headers I dont know which package it is) I'm still missing the zlib header... |
| 14:13.04 | YoG | hrw: I tried zlibc - that didn't do the trick ... sob... |
| 14:13.20 | pgas | IMHO helping on the 2.6 is more interesting, both from a personal point of view and general point of view |
| 14:13.34 | hrw|work | YoG: apt-get install zlib1g-dev |
| 14:20.48 | YoG | hrw: that seems to do the trick... should this build take so long? |
| 14:21.29 | hrw|work | yes ;( |
| 14:21.44 | hrw|work | I want amd64 x2.... |
| 14:23.27 | rmrfchik | re |
| 14:23.58 | agaffney | hrw|work: I've got one...they're damn nice :P |
| 14:24.22 | YoG | hrw: I'm still missing one required packge, the "pcre headers" can you tip me what package to install? |
| 14:24.47 | hrw|work | agaffney: I know.. I had remote access to x2 4400+ |
| 14:24.54 | agaffney | I've got a 4200 |
| 14:25.05 | agaffney | and I've built 2 "servers" with 4400s |
| 14:25.29 | hrw|work | I have normal athlonxp 2200+ (1.8GHz/133FSB) at home but it need stability work ;( |
| 14:26.38 | agaffney | my 4200 replaced by old athlon-tbird 1.3GHz system |
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| 16:43.40 | mrand | Opera is not available for 3.5.4.1, is it? |
| 16:44.19 | mrand | or is it strictly for SharpROM? |
| 16:46.15 | mrand | I plan to install OZ tonight, but I don't know what browser I'm going to have to start using once I do. I assume firefox is heavy, and konqueror might be too... so is there another option that is comprable to Opera? |
| 16:47.29 | mrand | something light but still capable enough? |
| 16:50.13 | mrand | Well, I had hoped there'd be someone here to answer this question, but now I have to start heading to class. |
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| 17:22.30 | hvontres|poodle | hrw|tv: If I flash the 3.5.4.2-rc2 kernel only, should I also untar the kenel modules to make sure everything is in sync? |
| 17:23.34 | hrw|tv | you can do 'ipkg update; ipkg upgrade' to update them |
| 17:23.58 | hvontres|poodle | hrw|tv: which machine feed should I use? |
| 17:24.05 | hrw|tv | default ones |
| 17:28.29 | hvontres|poodle | hrw|tv: thanks. BTW, the 3.5.4.2 feeds don't show up in the http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/ folder |
| 17:28.38 | Schmoople | anyone had a problem with perl's cpan ? |
| 17:30.30 | hrw|tv | hvontres|poodle: now it does |
| 17:32.01 | hvontres|poodle | hrw|tv: thanks |
| 17:34.35 | hvontres|poodle | ~seen CoreDump|afk |
| 17:34.47 | ibot | coredump|afk is currently on #gpe #oe #openzaurus, last said: 'RP: any news on pxa270 cpu frequency scaling or the fb speed hacks?'. |
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| 21:03.57 | mimecar | hi |
| 21:27.38 | pasky | any jffs2 hacker around? |
| 21:27.54 | pasky | I just don't get it why jffs2 will not make use of 4M of my flash |
| 21:29.03 | pasky | or only extremely slowly (that is less than 0.25kb/s) |
| 21:30.04 | mimecar | pasky: jffs2 ? |
| 21:30.20 | pasky | yes |
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| 21:32.04 | mimecar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.49 | mimecar | what's the state of kernel 2.6 on collie ? |
| 21:36.55 | mimecar | do SD run? |
| 21:37.19 | pasky | not according to the wiki |
| 21:37.33 | agaffney | there is no collie SD support in 2.6 |
| 21:37.49 | mimecar | yes |
| 21:38.18 | mimecar | agaffney: but SD works on other zaurus, isn't it ? |
| 21:38.22 | mrand | I have a terrier and I want to record everything I can about the original configuration before I fdisk and install OZ. How can I determine the filesystem used on hdd1 and hdd2? I know hdd3 is FAT32, but I don't know about the other ones and I'm not sure how to find out either. |
| 21:38.22 | agaffney | mimecar: yes |
| 21:38.43 | agaffney | mrand: 'mount' will tell you if it's currently mounted |
| 21:38.44 | mimecar | what's the difference between collie and another devices ? |
| 21:39.03 | agaffney | collie has a different SD controller |
| 21:39.17 | mimecar | for hardware ? |
| 21:39.19 | mrand | lo and behold. thanks, agaffney |
| 21:39.27 | agaffney | mrand: np |
| 21:39.32 | agaffney | mimecar: yes, the hardware |
| 21:39.36 | mimecar | ok |
| 21:39.47 | mimecar | I was reading about it |
| 21:43.53 | mimecar | night all |
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| 21:52.13 | Schmoople | anyone alive? |
| 22:02.02 | JustinP | pasky: because using the last few bits of any FS is slow and possibly because you don't really have the space... |
| 22:02.05 | JustinP | pasky: df? |
| 22:06.20 | pasky | as I said, 4M free.. that's not what I consider last few bits, it's 1/4 of the FS |
| 22:06.24 | pasky | /dev/mtdblock4 14464 10364 4100 72% / |
| 22:07.22 | pasky | the space _is_ there - after flashing only 1.3M was free, I moved stuff away to the CF card, there were no read errors |
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| 22:14.01 | pasky | so this is pure viciousness on the side of jffs2 |
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| 22:19.07 | pasky | but, woo-hoo, managed ipkg upgrade on collie with rootfs on the flash! ;) |
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| 22:24.46 | pasky | at least I'm not alone - http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=450 |
| 22:25.07 | JustinP | pasky: did you try bootstrap image and just installing what you wanted? |
| 22:27.39 | pasky | nope, well, I still expected 4M of space free to be plenty |
| 22:27.55 | pasky | will anything bad happen if I do ipkg remove task-bootstrap now and then remove whatever I want? |
| 22:27.58 | pasky | there's plenty of garbage |
| 22:28.06 | pasky | I don't care about any bluetooth or wifi stuff, for example |
| 22:30.21 | pasky | and I don't believe bootstrap image would help too much, since it appears to already contain that stuff.. I want most of opie, but not many of the bootstrap stuff |
| 22:30.37 | pasky | hmm, http://blog.hentges.net/?p=75 shares my sentiments :) |
| 22:34.41 | pasky | Package bluez-utils-nodbus is depended upon by packages: |
| 22:34.41 | pasky | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.52 | pasky | that's needed for anything else than bluetooth? |
| 22:46.48 | JustinP | the task packages are meta packages. They don't actually *do* anything |
| 22:47.07 | JustinP | so if you want to remove a package depended on by a task you can force it, but br sure you know what you're doing |
| 23:14.10 | pasky | hmm, resume is broken on my collie after upgrade to the latest openzaurus :( |
| 23:14.35 | pasky | ide_attach() |
| 23:14.35 | pasky | ide_config(0xc3f5d480) |
| 23:14.35 | pasky | Trying to free nonexistent resource <c4850000-c485000f> |
| 23:14.35 | pasky | ide-cs: ide_register() at 0xc4850000 & 0xc485000e, irq 35 failed |
| 23:14.39 | pasky | hda: lost interrupt |
| 23:14.52 | pasky | and goes downside from that point on |
| 23:17.03 | mrand | what's the difference between foo_arm.ipk and foo_armv5te.ipk? |
| 23:18.59 | mrand | perhaps I should ask instead which one I want to use with an SL-C3200. |
| 23:19.04 | mrand | ? |
| 23:20.01 | JustinP | pasky: yep...moving system critical stuff to CF doesn't work |
| 23:20.16 | JustinP | mrand: arm is for 5x00, armv5te is for newer ones |
| 23:20.26 | JustinP | mrand: ipkg takes care of this for you |
| 23:20.47 | pasky | JustinP: there's no mission critical stuff on CF |
| 23:20.51 | mrand | oh no. there aren't as many armv5te's in the 3.5.4.1 feed as there are arms |
| 23:21.19 | pasky | JustinP: it's just that talking with the CF card is broken after resume |
| 23:21.36 | JustinP | pasky: oh, that's what you mean. normal stuff is ok? |
| 23:22.05 | pasky | everything else seems to be ok |
| 23:22.14 | mrand | since OZ can be made to run on non-zaurus hardware, should the name be changed? Perhaps to OpenArms or something? |
| 23:22.47 | pasky | but CF is not mission-critical for the system but quite mission-critical for me ;) |
| 23:22.58 | pasky | ide-cs: ide_register() at 0xc4850000 & 0xc485000e, irq 35 failed |
| 23:23.02 | pasky | I think this is the culprit |
| 23:27.53 | mrand | I notice there are no cron daemons with armv5te packages in the 3.5.4.1 feed. Is there a reason for this? Is there one on the way? Can I brew my own? |
| 23:29.24 | mrand | My primary motivation for installing OZ at the moment is because I intend to use cron+alsamixer == automatically mute during classes and unmute afterwards. If I can't get a cron daemon, then I'm stuck. |
| 23:31.05 | mrand | ...and I thought I would get both programs by switching to OZ. |
| 23:32.58 | JustinP | pasky: try ejecting it and reinserting (cardctl eject 0) |
| 23:33.34 | JustinP | mrand: OZ is for Zauruses. It uses metadata (OpenEmbedded, OE) to build it. A new distribution is coming (Angstrom) which will support Zauruses, Simpads, and iPaqs. |
| 23:34.05 | JustinP | mrand: if cron is missing mention it to hrw or file a bug. You can try the arm version as well...it *should* work |
| 23:34.09 | mrand | JustinP: ok. I was sortof kidding. "OpenArms" <-- heh. not so funny, I guess. nm |
| 23:34.35 | JustinP | mrand: you could also just turn off your Z during class....or just pause your music....that's not very hard |
| 23:34.41 | JustinP | mrand: mpc pause ;-) |
| 23:35.36 | mrand | the problem is not that I forget to turn it off... the problem is that I forget to turn it back on (or unmute) and then I miss appointment reminders and stuff. |
| 23:35.43 | pasky | JustinP: problem persists |
| 23:44.23 | mrand | where will I find .bb files for use with bitbake? |
| 23:46.40 | pasky | hmm, playing with this CF bug makes me quite nervous |
| 23:46.45 | pasky | Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks... |
| 23:46.56 | pasky | Entry '..' in .../??? (9866) has deleted/unused inode 9865. Clear<y>? yes |
| 23:46.57 | pasky | eh |
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| 23:49.11 | Greg2 | hello all |
| 23:49.11 | pasky | so, this is even more mysterious |
| 23:49.24 | pasky | merely ejecting the card before suspending causes the ide_register() failed error message as well |
| 23:49.36 | pasky | but after inserting the card back, everything continues to work fine |
| 23:51.54 | pasky | no, it doesn't, the directory was probably just in case |
| 23:52.06 | pasky | so I don't even need to suspend, just ejecting the card messes things up reliably |
| 23:57.53 | pasky | hmm |
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