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| 08:22.47 | alan-mac | hi all |
| 08:23.00 | alan-mac | here i am a new mac user !! |
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| 10:02.55 | PolicyBased | Hi |
| 10:09.44 | PolicyBased | Isn't there a ts.conf from tslib in the etc directory? Do I need this ts.conf just to compile tslib? |
| 10:10.05 | PolicyBased | I can't found any ts.conf file in my etc directory on my zaurus device |
| 10:12.49 | PolicyBased | ah I found it |
| 10:13.01 | PolicyBased | in /usr/share/tslib/ts.conf-corgi |
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| 10:19.45 | hobbs | anyone with a working OE tree want to do me a small favor and see if a more modern musicpd (0.12 or newer) will build with the existing bb? |
| 10:19.52 | hobbs | It's got Tremor support, and ogg sucks without it ;) |
| 10:22.15 | hobbs | (so yes, you would want to add a depends on "tremor") |
| 10:22.43 | hrw|work | hobbs: you mean mpd/mpc etc? |
| 10:22.58 | hobbs | hrw|work: right. Only mpd matters |
| 10:23.01 | hobbs | the rest don't deal with music |
| 10:23.26 | hrw|work | MPD 0.12.0 RC3 Released |
| 10:24.09 | hobbs | suppose that's it then. Sorry, the source I was reading called it "0.12" |
| 10:25.15 | hobbs | still it's a major feature improvement |
| 10:30.10 | hrw|work | interesting addon |
| 10:30.59 | hobbs | hmm? |
| 10:32.09 | hobbs | The standard libvorbis uses floating-point math, which means that it takes a _huge_ amount of processor on arm. Tremor (libvorbisidec) is just a fixed-point decoder |
| 10:32.28 | hobbs | libvorbis can't manage real-time on average music files on an Akita |
| 10:33.04 | hrw|work | I cannot work on it anyway now |
| 10:33.18 | hobbs | okay |
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| 14:32.45 | Interrobang | how do you change the resolution to 320x240 (or 240x320) on an akita? i want to play videos fullscreen but without acceleration vga is too slow |
| 14:37.41 | hrw|work | 3541 does not support it iirc |
| 14:38.40 | Interrobang | 354 uses the 2.4 kernel right? that doesn't support hostap very well does it? |
| 14:46.01 | hrw|work | 2.4/Oz supports hostap without problems |
| 14:46.45 | Interrobang | doesn't oz 2.4 use the same kernel as sharp and cacko? if now does it support bvdd acceleration? |
| 14:46.51 | Interrobang | s/now/not |
| 14:47.57 | hrw|work | OZ supports cxx00 devices only in 3.5.4.1 release |
| 14:48.10 | hrw|work | and it use 2.6 kernel |
| 14:49.19 | Interrobang | i'd really like to play videos at 320x240@30 fps, but without resolution switch, full vga on oz 2.6 kernel is too slow |
| 14:49.49 | Interrobang | so i'm considering using a 2.4 kernel rom and maintaining the packages myself |
| 14:50.02 | hrw|work | feel free |
| 14:50.24 | hrw|work | you can also work on getting qvga<>vga switching code working under 2.6 kernel |
| 14:50.37 | hrw|work | there are patches for it but we did not tested them yet |
| 14:50.41 | Interrobang | but i'm havign trouble using my sandisk connectplus in cacko which is 2.4, and i'm wondering if oz 2.4 will have the same problem |
| 14:51.10 | hrw|work | we have those cards working with 2.4.18 |
| 14:51.33 | hrw|work | noone tried them under 2.4.20 (as this kernel is even much worse then 2.4.18-crapix) |
| 14:51.42 | Interrobang | ah so there is a difference |
| 14:52.08 | Interrobang | well, about my 2nd idea... |
| 14:52.54 | Interrobang | i realize no1 official supports using the pdaX 2.6 bvdd kernel patch, but has any1 tried it on the OZ 2.6 kernel? |
| 14:53.19 | hrw|work | pdax patch has nothing common with bvdd |
| 14:53.46 | hrw|work | pdax use pxafb overlay patches from intel |
| 14:54.01 | hrw|work | we have them in 2.6.17 kernel (current development one) |
| 14:54.04 | Interrobang | so there are 2 kinds of video acceleration for cxx00? |
| 14:54.24 | Interrobang | bvdd and pxafb overlay? |
| 14:54.32 | hrw|work | cxx00 under 2.4 kernel use bvdd and there are packages hacked for it |
| 14:54.59 | hrw|work | cxx00 under 2.6 can use intel pdafb overlay patches but iirc no patched apps exist even in pdax |
| 14:55.46 | Interrobang | are bvdd and pxafb overlay different kinds of video acceleration, or does one encompass the other? |
| 14:55.58 | hrw|work | different |
| 14:57.39 | Interrobang | i always thought video accel on cxx00 worked by special hardware access to the lcd device? are there difference kinds of accelerated access, like another chip with ati w100 c7x0? |
| 14:58.59 | hrw|work | cxx00 does not have separate gfx chip |
| 14:59.16 | hrw|work | they use CPU capabilities (which are enough to drive VGA lcd screen) |
| 15:00.38 | Interrobang | i've heard bvdd uses some kind of simd/vector instruction set on the pxa270, is that all it uses? |
| 15:01.28 | hrw|work | I never checked how it works |
| 15:01.33 | hrw|work | I do not have cxx00 machine |
| 15:02.45 | Interrobang | ok, sorry to bother you with all these questions. i experiment and research the rest myself, thanks |
| 15:03.17 | hrw|work | no problem |
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| 15:06.06 | mimecar | hi |
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| 19:02.29 | Kristoffer | is the parameter "o" correct on http://wiki.openzaurus.org/Spitz/Install? On help it says "o = create a new empty DOS partition table" but in howto it says that o should blow away all partitions |
| 19:03.34 | hobbs | creating an empty partition table _is_ blowing away all your partitions |
| 19:03.56 | Kristoffer | ah, and DOS != msdos right? |
| 19:04.16 | hobbs | well, basically it is |
| 19:04.23 | Kristoffer | Oki |
| 19:04.38 | hobbs | it's just that 99.44% of the linux systems in the world use MSDOS disklabels (aka "partition tables") on their drives |
| 19:05.18 | agaffney | msdos disklabels are the bane of my existance |
| 19:05.23 | agaffney | extended/logical partitions-- |
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| 19:06.22 | agaffney | not the easiest things to work with when writing partitioning software |
| 19:07.02 | hobbs | heh |
| 19:07.23 | hobbs | basically amounts to indirect addressing, right? |
| 19:07.59 | agaffney | no, it's actually 2 separate partition tables |
| 19:08.10 | agaffney | one in the first sector that holds 4 partitions |
| 19:08.22 | agaffney | and then another in the first sector of the extended partition |
| 19:08.27 | agaffney | that has a different layout |
| 19:08.32 | agaffney | that can hold up to 64 "logical" partitions |
| 19:08.38 | hobbs | right |
| 19:08.44 | JustinP | yay |
| 19:08.58 | JustinP | ok, Spitz/Install "D"+"B" instructions fixed |
| 19:09.27 | agaffney | mac disklabels have their own silliness as well: the partition "map" being a partition itself, unallocated space being "free space" partitions, etc. |
| 19:09.58 | hobbs | agaffney: everything in its place ;) |
| 19:10.18 | agaffney | sun disklabels are "easy" with just the silly whole disk partition |
| 19:10.31 | agaffney | mips gets the whole disk and the "volume header" |
| 19:10.47 | agaffney | nobody can just make it easy :P |
| 19:11.36 | hobbs | I like using labels on my filesystems. Especially now that linux+udev has nifty support for it |
| 19:12.26 | hobbs | instead of it being userspace haxx in mount and fsck, userspace just checks when it gets the register event for the device, and if hda1 has a filesystem with a label, it gets linked to /dev/disk/by-label/schmoopie |
| 19:13.15 | agaffney | nice |
| 19:15.16 | Kristoffer | Do I need to create the fs on the microdrive or will the installation process do that for me? |
| 19:15.29 | hrw|afk | need |
| 19:16.00 | Kristoffer | hrw|afk, oki, but theres no mkfs.ext2 inside this shell.. |
| 19:16.16 | hrw|afk | ignore me |
| 19:16.20 | Kristoffer | hrw|afk, will do :D |
| 19:16.21 | hrw|afk | I never saw c3x00 |
| 19:19.19 | Kristoffer | Btw, is it possible to brick a sl-c3200?.. Can one overwrite the maintenance stuff? |
| 19:19.35 | Kevin` | it's not easy to do |
| 19:20.06 | Kevin` | the maintenance stuff isn't part of the flash chip you install things too |
| 19:20.29 | Kristoffer | Aha, really nice.. :D IF this had been an ipaq I would already have managed to brick it |
| 19:20.53 | Kevin` | ya I was worried about that when I first got it |
| 19:21.02 | Kevin` | make a backup of the flash though! |
| 19:21.18 | Kristoffer | how you mean, or rather why? |
| 19:21.31 | Kevin` | maintenance screen has an option for it |
| 19:21.48 | Kristoffer | Oki, this is for the sharprom then?.. |
| 19:22.45 | hobbs | Kristoffer: it's a function that allows you to back up the entire contents of NAND flash. Loaders, OS, everything |
| 19:22.45 | Kevin` | well I find it useful to be able to restore the flash to a working state.. so the OK menu installer works, for example |
| 19:22.45 | hobbs | Kristoffer: which is required for restoring from "not quite bricked" state ;) |
| 19:22.45 | Kevin` | which OZ still uses |
| 19:23.06 | Kristoffer | Oki roger, so basicly the only way to brick a zaurus is to mess up the flash in some way? |
| 19:23.23 | hobbs | Kristoffer: nono. Even if you do you're not bricked |
| 19:23.35 | Kevin` | I'm not sure of the rom with the maintenence stuff is writable |
| 19:23.37 | hobbs | Kristoffer: there's an app in ROM ROM that can restore the flash |
| 19:23.38 | Kristoffer | Oki so flash and maintenance stuff is get seperate |
| 19:23.42 | Kristoffer | lol |
| 19:23.43 | Kevin` | i've never seen a method to read it |
| 19:23.44 | hobbs | Kristoffer: if you have such a backup |
| 19:23.59 | Kristoffer | Heard of anyone bricking their zaurus then? |
| 19:24.13 | Kevin` | well you can brick it by physically breaking things |
| 19:24.19 | Kevin` | writing the flash too much |
| 19:25.01 | hobbs | Kristoffer: by the way, just as a disclaimer, none of this applies to the collie or poodle, and I don't know for sure about tosa :) |
| 19:25.28 | hobbs | Kristoffer: but the clamshells are unbrickable except by extreme measures ;) |
| 19:26.28 | Kristoffer | hobbs, yeah got it. big thx :D Just got Openzaurus installed on it. Piece of cake now |
| 19:26.55 | hobbs | on collie, the "loader" that handles reflashing is itself in flash |
| 19:26.55 | hobbs | so it's possible to trash that |
| 19:26.56 | hvontres|poodle | hobbes: actually, poodles are relatively imune to true "bricking" as well... (also has NAND Backup/Restore)... now "pseudo bricking" is another story |
| 19:27.14 | hobbs | hvontres|poodle: hmm okay. Handy :) |
| 19:27.24 | hobbs | hvontres|poodle: so it was only collie that they put really sucky ROM on ;) |
| 19:27.56 | hobbs | ah well. Perils of the early adopter |
| 19:28.04 | Kristoffer | btw, how is the bootloader handled? I mean even if I break stuff on the partition will the bootloader work (like lilo/grub) |
| 19:28.53 | hvontres|poodle | hobbes: hmmm, actually, I need to check... podle has three flash partions, 1st is restore stuff, second / and third /home... |
| 19:29.07 | hobbs | Kristoffer: things are a little more low-level here. But yeah, the kernel and some system stuff are stored in their own partition, which makes them relatively difficult to screw up |
| 19:29.33 | hvontres|poodle | so I guess borking the first flash partition might still break a poodle :( |
| 19:29.50 | Kevin` | I recommend you repartition the microdrive before installing |
| 19:29.52 | hobbs | hvontres|poodle: that's what I thought but I've never actually used one |
| 19:29.54 | Kevin` | give all space to root |
| 19:30.07 | Kevin` | (default the first partition, hda1) |
| 19:30.55 | hobbs | Akita is such an easy device to install on |
| 19:31.38 | Kevin` | heh at least you don't have to use jtag, or xmodem over a 9600bps serial cable :) |
| 19:33.08 | Kevin` | what's a vnc client for X/gpe on openzaurus? |
| 19:33.17 | hrw | x11vnc? |
| 19:33.26 | Kevin` | thats a server |
| 19:33.55 | hrw | hvontres|poodle: even when you fsck first one you have access to diagnostics iirc |
| 19:34.41 | hrw | Kevin`: then I do not know |
| 19:34.51 | hobbs | Kevin`: is xvncviewer available? |
| 19:35.05 | hobbs | old-school but it works |
| 19:35.36 | Kevin` | updating package lists.. |
| 19:37.02 | Kevin` | no, there is not |
| 19:37.49 | hobbs | sorry, don't know offhand. There's something |
| 19:41.27 | Kristoffer | any suggestions for good CF-wifi cards? |
| 19:42.06 | hobbs | Kristoffer: #1, Ambicom WL1100C. #2, Linksys WCF12 |
| 19:42.31 | Kristoffer | Oki, thx. Any motivation? |
| 19:42.54 | hobbs | Kristoffer: they're both good bog-standard prism2 cards, both not too cheap |
| 19:43.02 | hobbs | the ambicom is also rounded and smaller :) |
| 19:43.19 | hobbs | s/not too cheap/not too expensive/ |
| 19:44.21 | Kristoffer | oki thx |
| 19:45.03 | Kristoffer | sd wlan cards doesnt work yet right? |
| 19:45.21 | Kevin` | SD is a proprietary format |
| 19:45.33 | Kevin` | luckily they are required to support mmc mode for storage cards |
| 19:56.13 | Kristoffer | What can I run with the usb port (that doesnt require extra hub power)? |
| 19:57.48 | hrw | pendrives |
| 19:57.50 | hrw | card readers |
| 19:57.56 | hrw | some of BT dongles |
| 19:58.07 | agaffney | hrw: he's gone :P |
| 19:58.19 | hrw | ops ;D |
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| 20:19.00 | hvontres|poodle | hrw: hmm, good to know...but I don't think I'm gonna test it anytime soon :) |
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