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| 04:21.16 | izm99 | i just tried installed openzaurus and now it doesn't bring up usbd0 ... it's been so long. do i have to do something? |
| 04:21.27 | izm99 | s/tried// |
| 04:21.55 | hobbs | izm99: 2.6 kernel? |
| 04:22.07 | izm99 | hobbs, yah. i believe so |
| 04:22.27 | hobbs | izm99: it's not usbd0, it's usb0, and you want to "modprobe g_ether" to make it happen. If you're in GPE there's also some sort of applet that's supposed to change the USB functionality if you prefer that |
| 04:23.55 | izm99 | hobbs, I thought it was usbd0 on the zaurus end and usb0 on the desktop... I'm coming from the sharp rom, and on that it was usbd0, i think |
| 04:24.09 | hobbs | izm99: that was 2.4 |
| 04:24.31 | hobbs | things have changed with 2.6 and gadget; they're more consistent now :) |
| 04:24.53 | JustinP | i.e. your Z now has a 2.6 kernel just like your desktop and uses usb0 just like your desktop |
| 04:25.30 | izm99 | ok. I'm happy if they both use usb instead of usbd |
| 04:25.31 | izm99 | :) |
| 04:25.34 | hobbs | JustinP: well even back when the world ran on 2.4, the Z had a custom hacky client-side driver that did usbd0, and the desktop had a custom hacked usbnet that did usb0 |
| 04:25.54 | izm99 | hobbs, modprobe did not work. |
| 04:26.25 | izm99 | and my cursor keys are all messed up... |
| 04:26.33 | hobbs | fun ;) |
| 04:26.35 | izm99 | like... the screen is rotated. but it isn't. |
| 04:26.49 | izm99 | yes. fun. >.< |
| 04:27.26 | izm99 | speaking of which... the screen is supposed to rotate, no? |
| 04:27.29 | izm99 | :) |
| 04:28.46 | izm99 | sorry... I have tonnes of questions... |
| 04:28.54 | izm99 | is there a /var/log/messages equiv? |
| 04:29.05 | izm99 | I'm using GPE on a Husky, btw. |
| 04:30.01 | hobbs | logging stuff is pretty much done away with so it won't fill up your filesystem. You can rig syslog to log over the network though. Or fix it so it writes to a file :) |
| 04:30.07 | hobbs | and yes, rotation is supposed to work |
| 04:30.29 | hobbs | I've noticed with GPE that sometimes it will be really funny until the first time you reboot after you've installed. Have you rebooted? |
| 04:30.40 | izm99 | no... haven't rebooted. |
| 04:31.01 | izm99 | but after unplugging the usb and replugging it in.. usb0 at least exists... |
| 04:31.13 | hobbs | when GPE is being "really funny" it has issues with keymaps and rotation, among other things |
| 04:31.22 | hobbs | also the visual style and font sizes come out wrong |
| 04:31.38 | izm99 | oh.. you mean i might normally be able to read this?! |
| 04:31.42 | izm99 | I'd better restart. :) |
| 04:32.12 | hobbs | yeah :) |
| 04:32.46 | izm99 | is there a menu item to restart? I logged out... hoping that would work. |
| 04:33.02 | hobbs | might be, I don't remember |
| 04:33.07 | hobbs | you can become root and run "reboot" ;) |
| 04:33.23 | izm99 | k |
| 04:34.13 | izm99 | rebooting... |
| 04:34.38 | izm99 | i think once I get the network over usb working, GPE will be pretty awesome. |
| 04:35.35 | hobbs | wifi is nicer. But USB is alright for installing stuff and some basic things :) |
| 04:35.53 | izm99 | could use with some serious UI lovin, tho.... might look into that if I get some time.. |
| 04:36.25 | izm99 | I'm surprised how quick it is... everything I read on the net seemed to say GPE was slow |
| 04:37.05 | hobbs | I don't know about that. It's always seemed pretty light and snappy to me |
| 04:37.35 | hobbs | Also the 2.6 kernel apparently makes everything work more quickly compared to the 2.4-embedix crap |
| 04:37.51 | hobbs | it's an awesome piece of work that they managed to get that working |
| 04:38.12 | JustinP | hell yes |
| 04:38.20 | izm99 | hah |
| 04:38.24 | JustinP | izm99: logread |
| 04:39.54 | izm99 | heheh. it rotates now, but the taskbar goes the right side of the screen in portrait mode. is that normal? |
| 04:39.56 | JustinP | I believe it's the equivalent of /var/log/syslog |
| 04:40.01 | JustinP | yes, normal |
| 04:40.17 | izm99 | hmm. ok. |
| 04:42.42 | izm99 | ok... font size 7?! seriously..... on 3" 640x480 screen? :| |
| 04:42.43 | JustinP | at least it's done that for quite some time for me ;-) |
| 04:43.46 | izm99 | hmm.. ok.. it's not "point" sizing.. just "size" |
| 04:46.06 | izm99 | where can i change the font size of window titles? |
| 04:46.13 | izm99 | that's the one that's super tiny |
| 04:48.17 | JustinP | uhhhh.... |
| 04:48.26 | JustinP | font sizes have me pretty much stumped |
| 04:48.34 | JustinP | probably in /etc/X11 somewhere... |
| 04:49.02 | izm99 | ok.. so it's probably a setting w/the window manager.. what is the window manager that gpe uses? |
| 04:49.22 | izm99 | "matchbox" |
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| 05:19.02 | izm99 | i have to manually modprobe g_ether which brings up usb0 interface. but it doesn't set the ip address, so I do that manually. But I still can't ping my desktop. any ideas? |
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| 05:58.59 | izm99 | *bump |
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| 07:32.12 | JustinP | izm99: set up /etc/network/interfaces correctly? |
| 07:35.23 | izm99 | JustinP, I just tried plugging it into my laptop and it worked. :D so, something wrong w/my desktop, maybe. I'll figure it out, now. |
| 07:36.16 | izm99 | i think maybe because it's been on since being connected to the original sharp rom.. which used 2.4 kernel and it maybe has some modules that it shouldn't? dunno. |
| 07:36.26 | izm99 | i have a feeling it will work if i restart my desktop, tho |
| 07:40.11 | JustinP | yeah, try that or unload some modules |
| 07:41.57 | izm99 | it works! woooo |
| 07:42.19 | izm99 | just plugged it back in.... |
| 07:42.21 | izm99 | :| |
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| 08:53.45 | lardman | morning |
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| 09:56.00 | PolicyBased | Hi |
| 09:56.58 | PolicyBased | The udev by the start up takes quiet a lot of time. What can I do to make this faster? |
| 09:58.41 | hrw|work | udevsyntethise is shellcode and probably this is why |
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| 15:07.01 | flux | hum, is it possible with altboot to choose to boot on internal flash (a cacko is on it, which allows me to boot also on OpenBSD) or on /dev/hda1 where there is OZ ? |
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| 15:31.30 | agaffney | flux: "Normal boot" should get you internal memory |
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| 15:37.43 | flux | agaffney: on my borzoi, the 1 normal boot make me boot on /dev/hda1 ... |
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| 16:55.55 | cedricb | hvontres|poodle: can I take yr brain? |
| 16:57.48 | cedricb | ~ping hvontres|poodle |
| 16:57.50 | ibot | pong hvontres|poodle |
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| 17:03.02 | cedricb | has anyone build oz from .dev for poodle recently? |
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| 17:03.41 | siriusnova | hello |
| 17:03.45 | siriusnova | anyone awake? |
| 17:04.01 | siriusnova | I just bought a Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 off of ebay for $200 + Accessories |
| 17:04.03 | siriusnova | good deal? |
| 17:04.38 | siriusnova | anyway i was thinking of replacing the built in sharp rom, what do i need to know on the difference between the 2 roms? |
| 17:05.25 | Kevin` | if I were you i'd try them both for a while, and see which you like |
| 17:05.53 | siriusnova | what are the main differences, i know the OZ lacks Opera and Hancom etc.. but i dont really use them |
| 17:05.56 | Kevin` | I personally like this one |
| 17:06.26 | siriusnova | does it come with a web browser, konqueror right? |
| 17:06.51 | Kevin` | it comes with a web browser yes.. I put firefox on it instead though |
| 17:06.55 | siriusnova | what else is out there, I know of Openzaurus but is that the only rom? |
| 17:06.58 | Kevin` | well in addition to |
| 17:06.58 | siriusnova | lol how did firefox run? |
| 17:07.10 | Kevin` | it's in the packages, yes it runs |
| 17:07.42 | siriusnova | i mean how was the speed of firefox etc..? |
| 17:07.43 | Kevin` | pdaxrom, cacko rom |
| 17:07.52 | Kevin` | siriusnova little slow :) |
| 17:07.56 | Kevin` | usable imo |
| 17:07.56 | siriusnova | lol |
| 17:07.59 | siriusnova | cool |
| 17:08.03 | siriusnova | do you have an sl-5500 ? |
| 17:08.14 | Kevin` | I have an sl-c3200 |
| 17:08.23 | siriusnova | ahh k |
| 17:23.43 | hvontres|poodle | cedricb: pong |
| 17:24.02 | cedricb | hi |
| 17:24.24 | cedricb | do you build from .dev for yr poodle? |
| 17:24.58 | hvontres|poodle | cedricb: No. I did build from .oz354x a while back... you might want to talk to hrw or koen |
| 17:25.24 | cedricb | thx |
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| 19:24.12 | kerwood|afk | RP: I have in mind an amateur radio application which acts as a modem for a radio |
| 19:24.13 | kerwood|afk | RP: this would be very useful to have running on a clamshell |
| 19:24.13 | kerwood|afk | RP: do you know of any coding examples where the jack function is changed back and forth per such an application? |
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| 19:42.50 | wsuetholz | hello |
| 19:43.20 | wsuetholz | does OZ 3.5.4.1 include the ZyDAS ZD1211 driver? |
| 19:43.40 | wsuetholz | I see mention of it in the OE commit traces... |
| 19:44.04 | wsuetholz | If it does, is it the old driver or the new one that's going to be in 2.6.18 as standard? |
| 19:48.58 | hrw|tv | wsuetholz: zd1211 is in feeds |
| 19:48.58 | hrw|tv | but which exactly version I do not remember |
| 20:01.38 | wsuetholz | thanks |
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| 20:07.07 | Fripi | Hm, someone here who could explain to me in a short understandable way how to install some software on my zaurus? Somehow I seem to be too stupid -.- |
| 20:08.36 | wsuetholz | is your zaurus networked in some way? |
| 20:08.40 | Fripi | Nope |
| 20:09.00 | wsuetholz | do you have the ability to transfer files to it? |
| 20:09.06 | Fripi | Yes |
| 20:09.33 | wsuetholz | what version of OS are you running on it, and what model is it? |
| 20:09.46 | Fripi | I just wanted to put the xmms player on it, its on my sd card. |
| 20:09.48 | hrw|tv | Fripi: other way then using card and cardreader? |
| 20:09.58 | Fripi | hrw|tv: No |
| 20:10.09 | Fripi | 5500g is the model |
| 20:10.34 | wsuetholz | the package management tool is called ipkg |
| 20:10.41 | Fripi | opie 1.1.7 |
| 20:12.04 | Fripi | wsuetholz: Yes, i tied to use it, unfortunately I have no clue how it works. |
| 20:13.39 | Fripi | I tried: "ipkg install /path/xmmms.ipkg" |
| 20:14.20 | Fripi | Then the system tells me it can not find xmms-e |
| 20:15.23 | Fripi | And I might like to run "ikg update" wich is senseles without networking |
| 20:15.59 | Fripi | and finally it says there was an error, return value is 4 |
| 20:16.14 | wsuetholz | sounds like a dependency |
| 20:16.22 | wsuetholz | problem |
| 20:17.49 | Fripi | oh, okay. Right, I think about it. Makes sense, just one package to install xmms - would be too simple |
| 20:18.36 | hrw|tv | ipkg without network access is hard.. |
| 20:18.42 | Fripi | Unfortunately i can neither find my Wlan CF card nor my Wireless AP... |
| 20:18.47 | hrw|tv | manual tracing of dependencies.. |
| 20:19.36 | Fripi | Yes, i had to do that once and I finally asked someone else. Is there a way to let the Zaurus have Internet connection via USB? |
| 20:19.39 | hrw|tv | Fripi: use feed-browser to easier trace of them |
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| 20:24.18 | hvontres|poodle | Fripi: Do you have the cradle? |
| 20:24.45 | Fripi | hvontres|poodle: Yes |
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| 20:25.48 | siriusnova | helloo |
| 20:26.27 | hvontres|poodle | Fripi: What OS is your desktop? |
| 20:26.42 | Fripi | XP |
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| 20:27.05 | hvontres|poodle | And you are on OZ 3.5.4? |
| 20:28.45 | Fripi | hvontres|poodle: 3.5.2 |
| 20:29.10 | hvontres|poodle | Fripi: The Basic method would be to install the sharp network drivers from the CD, set up XP to to Internet Connection Sharing and to run you Z through that. |
| 20:29.27 | hvontres|poodle | I think there are some pages for that on oesf and on the openzaurus wiki |
| 20:29.58 | Fripi | Okay... I will go on for an hour or so searching my CF Wlan card, then i will use your way :) |
| 20:30.01 | Fripi | Thanks |
| 20:30.28 | hvontres|poodle | Fripi:3.5.2 should work as well, but you might want to try out either the stock 3.5.4 or the 3.5.4.1 hentges Version |
| 20:31.09 | Fripi | Maybe I should just flash it completely since there is no important data on i right now |
| 20:31.29 | Fripi | And the system is older then a year |
| 20:31.35 | hvontres|poodle | Fripi: that sounds like a very good plan. Do you have an SD card? |
| 20:31.41 | Fripi | Yes |
| 20:32.21 | Fripi | 32 128 256 nd 1GB plus an 1GB CF card... |
| 20:32.23 | Fripi | But I thought you cant flash the zaurus with a SD card? |
| 20:32.36 | hvontres|poodle | The I would strongly recommend trying out the hentges Version with root on SD and a 64-0 kernel. |
| 20:33.23 | Fripi | 256MB should be enough for the system? |
| 20:33.32 | hvontres|poodle | Fripi:plenty. |
| 20:34.16 | siriusnova | anyone here use the 64-0 memory configuration on their zaurus? |
| 20:34.24 | siriusnova | on the sl-5500 |
| 20:34.24 | Fripi | hmhm, sounds good. I still need a CF between 128 and 512Mb to flash the system, right? |
| 20:34.50 | hvontres|poodle | Fripi: yes. Formated as Fat16 |
| 20:35.22 | hvontres|poodle | siriusnova: I think hrw does... or used to :) |
| 20:35.33 | Fripi | That might be a problem. Somehow computer stores are not opened here right now. Maybe some geeks are still awake :D |
| 20:36.08 | siriusnova | if i use the 64-0 memory config for the sl-5500 it will use up all my ram, does that make it use the SD card by default for storage? |
| 20:36.12 | siriusnova | or do i have to do something special |
| 20:36.24 | siriusnova | to get it to use my SD card as persistant storage |
| 20:37.45 | hvontres|poodle | siriusnova: Check out www.hentges.net. If you use his packages, it can set up root on SD automagically :) |
| 20:38.07 | hvontres|poodle | being on a 5600, I don't know much about that tho. |
| 20:38.16 | siriusnova | whatsa the difference between henteges and the oz rom? |
| 20:39.01 | hvontres|poodle | hentges is oz with a few extra tweaks. altboot originaly came from hentges. |
| 20:39.17 | siriusnova | ahh ok |
| 20:39.39 | hvontres|poodle | btw, look for CoreDump|home on IRC... he should be on soon |
| 20:39.54 | hrw|tv | you also use altboot to have 'root on sd' |
| 20:41.01 | siriusnova | btw is the 5500 fast enough for stuff like kismet and web browsing? |
| 20:41.11 | agaffney | yes |
| 20:41.14 | siriusnova | i just bought one off of ebay like this morning heh |
| 20:41.32 | agaffney | I use konqueror on mine |
| 20:41.42 | agaffney | it isn't the fastest thing in the world, but it's acceptable for what it is |
| 20:41.54 | siriusnova | hmm k |
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| 20:42.45 | mimecar | hi |
| 20:48.46 | Fripi | hmm, I already found 2 access points wiche arent working any more. maybe i am getting nearer... |
| 20:49.03 | mimecar | Fripi: ? |
| 20:49.33 | Fripi | hi mimecar |
| 20:49.41 | Fripi | I am searching an AP and my CF Wlan card |
| 20:50.13 | mimecar | AP can encrypt the connection |
| 20:50.27 | mimecar | or filter the users can connect to it |
| 20:50.33 | Fripi | So what? |
| 20:51.11 | mimecar | have you an AP |
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| 20:51.22 | mimecar | or they're from other peopple ? |
| 20:51.50 | Fripi | mimecar: I am literally searching it. You know, physically. |
| 20:52.03 | Fripi | Going through your stuff trying to find it |
| 20:53.04 | mimecar | if the router filter your CF |
| 20:53.10 | mimecar | you won't be able to access |
| 20:53.16 | Fripi | Wich I have not found either... |
| 20:53.48 | Fripi | You know, i own those two things, they are somewhere |
| 20:53.58 | Fripi | but i do not know where exactly |
| 20:54.08 | mimecar | that's a problem :P |
| 20:54.33 | Fripi | and untill my CF Wlan card is not inside my CF slot I will not worry about connection problems ;) |
| 20:59.09 | siriusnova | i cant wait to get my zaurus |
| 20:59.18 | siriusnova | but ive been told the battery life sucks : |
| 20:59.19 | siriusnova | :/ |
| 20:59.28 | siriusnova | in general heh |
| 20:59.36 | mimecar | siriusnova: zaurus model ? |
| 20:59.45 | siriusnova | SL-5500 |
| 20:59.56 | Fripi | well they old you the truth |
| 20:59.56 | mimecar | yes, battery is a ***** |
| 21:00.07 | siriusnova | heh |
| 21:00.14 | siriusnova | well mine comes with the AA battery pack |
| 21:00.27 | hvontres|poodle | hmmm, 5600= twice the battery with half the RAM.... |
| 21:00.44 | siriusnova | and you can buy a 2000mah mugen battery as well |
| 21:00.55 | siriusnova | which replaces the 950mah battery |
| 21:01.09 | Fripi | hmm, I found my ex girlfriends pants while searching for my wlan card... Sometimes life is really strange. |
| 21:01.30 | mimecar | Fripi: is your house very big ? |
| 21:01.43 | Fripi | mimecar: At least my room is very full :D |
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| 21:10.53 | mimecar | Fripi: why don't you install a GPS on the AP ? ;) |
| 21:11.37 | mimecar | night all |
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| 21:11.57 | Fripi | mimecar: Wouldnt help since it is not plugged in at all |
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| 21:28.35 | hrw|tv | ;))) |
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| 21:48.01 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 21:54.38 | hvontres|poodle | hi CoreDump|home. |
| 21:56.39 | hvontres|poodle | I suggested your stuff to two 5500 owners, Frippi and siriusnova |
| 21:56.49 | hvontres|poodle | They might have some more questions |
| 21:57.33 | hvontres|poodle | ~seen Frippi |
| 21:57.52 | ibot | hvontres|poodle: i haven't seen 'frippi' |
| 21:58.01 | CoreDump|home | ;) |
| 21:58.12 | hvontres|poodle | ~seen Fripi |
| 21:58.16 | ibot | fripi is currently on #zaurus (1h 53m 28s) #openzaurus (1h 53m 28s). Has said a total of 44 messages. Is idling for 46m 19s, last said: 'mimecar: Wouldnt help since it is not plugged in at all'. |
| 22:16.27 | RP | kerwood|afk: You'd want to use the jack socket in headset mode - mono in. mono out |
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| 22:45.02 | darkschneider | btw, do someone toyed with qemu-arm and tried to run OZ programs? |
| 22:52.38 | darkschneider | mm too late, will see towmorrow for that |
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