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| 00:11.24 | Kristoffer | Im only getting sound on one speaker, any ideas? |
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| 00:13.22 | Greg2 | hello all |
| 00:16.06 | hvontres|poodle | hi Greg2 |
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| 00:19.58 | Greg2 | hvontres|poodle: hey |
| 00:24.57 | Greg2 | hvontres|poodle: are you still building images for your z? |
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| 01:54.02 | siriusnova | howdy |
| 01:54.10 | siriusnova | anyone here have an SL-5500? |
| 02:28.25 | sleeplap | lots of ppl here use collie |
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| 09:20.24 | lardman | morning |
| 09:21.30 | hrw|work | hi lardman |
| 09:32.28 | lardman | morning hrw|work |
| 09:32.31 | lardman | how's things? |
| 09:33.45 | hrw|work | lardman: quite good |
| 09:34.05 | hrw|work | I'm writing small 'about' me for today/tomorrow company meeting |
| 09:34.21 | lardman | Cool - payrise/new job? |
| 09:34.30 | hrw|work | we takeover other company so our management want to tell more about us to new people |
| 09:34.37 | lardman | ah right |
| 09:34.39 | hrw|work | same job, same small cash |
| 09:34.49 | lardman | same here :) |
| 09:35.00 | lardman | hrw|work: Are you working on Angstrom at all these days? |
| 09:35.08 | hrw|work | lardman: not now |
| 09:35.25 | hrw|work | lardman: currently I have oedem and my company on todolist |
| 09:35.31 | lardman | I'm just wondering when the transition will occur, from OZ->Angstrom |
| 09:35.40 | lardman | When/where's oedem? |
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| 09:36.54 | lardman | hmm, ml transitions happened while I was away, must re-subscribe |
| 09:36.56 | hrw|work | OEDEM: 2006.10.05-08 Berlin, Germany |
| 09:37.14 | hrw|work | lardman: first angstrom has get to work |
| 09:37.28 | hrw|work | lardman: and angstrom has more strict release policy |
| 09:37.29 | lardman | hrw|work: Yes, that was to be the next question :) |
| 09:37.50 | hrw|work | there has to be machine mentors to get machine included in release |
| 09:38.24 | lardman | I see |
| 09:40.01 | lardman | I mainly want Angstrom so I can have vfp (for Octave/R) and I'd like to get scratchbox up and running so I can actually provide R ipks again (though that could be done for OZ I suppose) |
| 09:40.21 | lardman | Nice to have some time now (no more weddings/conferences/presentations/etc.) |
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| 10:17.05 | kerwood | RP: Thanks for your response. BTW, Is there also a headset function present with the collie's sound system? |
| 10:17.24 | RP | kerwood: I have no idea about collie |
| 10:17.47 | kerwood | RP: ok, thanks! |
| 10:22.39 | hrw|work | kerwood: collie/2.4 has mic on left channel |
| 10:28.35 | kerwood | hrw|work: for that to happen, is there a specific jack function on the collie to which the mixer needs to be set, |
| 10:28.35 | kerwood | hrw|work: or is the collie's jack always set for mic on L? |
| 10:34.47 | hrw|work | do not know how it know which one is now to set |
| 10:37.28 | kerwood | hrw|work: ok |
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| 12:52.50 | alan|mac | hello there |
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| 13:38.41 | lardman | hrw|work: Just modified slightly your FAQ entry on the wiki (point 2) |
| 13:40.40 | hrw|work | ok |
| 13:41.38 | lardman | I also added the info from koen's native OOo build page as a howto, if there's anyone here who's interested in this, could they modify this page as they go along please |
| 13:42.07 | lardman | http://wiki.openzaurus.org/HowTos/Native_Development to be exact |
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| 13:48.23 | hrw|work | fixed faq |
| 13:50.33 | hrw|work | fixed native devel |
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| 13:55.10 | kerwood | lardman: Splendid! |
| 13:55.10 | kerwood | lardman: however, per OE bug 1423, you may need to run bison on another platform until it's fixed in OZ |
| 13:56.55 | pgas | lardman: update http://wiki.openzaurus.org/Developing ;) |
| 13:57.10 | pgas | (you can perhaps delete the emacs howto) |
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| 14:12.36 | hvontres|poodle | ~botmail check |
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| 14:54.29 | sirius | helloo |
| 14:54.52 | siriusnova | anyone here own an SL-5500 ? |
| 14:55.32 | joerg | yepp |
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| 14:55.44 | siriusnova | joerg - you you have an SL-5500? |
| 14:57.54 | joerg | this is what I just said. |
| 14:58.21 | siriusnova | joerg - what ram configuration do you run 64-0 ? |
| 14:59.25 | siriusnova | if id a 64-0 configuration is that the best option if i have a 256mb SD card? |
| 15:01.38 | joerg | hmm, I didn't try any other configs... |
| 15:01.55 | joerg | I am running 64-0 with 512 MB SD card |
| 15:02.13 | joerg | but 256 MB should fit as well |
| 15:02.43 | siriusnova | joerg - im new to the 5500 is it fast enough for videos? |
| 15:02.59 | joerg | try it out. |
| 15:03.16 | joerg | I am new to it too... |
| 15:03.20 | joerg | got it one week ago |
| 15:03.24 | siriusnova | i dont have it yet, i just got one and its being shipped |
| 15:03.41 | siriusnova | joerg - do you like the OZ rom better? whats the main difference between that and the stock zaurus rom |
| 15:04.12 | joerg | I never used the sharp rom :P |
| 15:04.27 | siriusnova | oh lol |
| 15:04.55 | joerg | probably it is on one of these cds here... |
| 15:05.05 | joerg | I don't want to try it out. |
| 15:05.36 | joerg | OZ fits my needs |
| 15:05.41 | siriusnova | joerg - does the oz rom come with a web browser? |
| 15:06.07 | joerg | gpe has some mini browser |
| 15:06.12 | joerg | opie hasn't |
| 15:06.16 | siriusnova | :( |
| 15:06.22 | joerg | I installed konqueror/embedded |
| 15:06.22 | siriusnova | so what do you use Konqueror? |
| 15:06.33 | siriusnova | how is that on the zaurus, does it work well? |
| 15:07.14 | joerg | I noticed that the display doesn't get refreshed sometimes when I load a page... |
| 15:07.22 | joerg | but apart from that it works well. |
| 15:07.39 | siriusnova | hmm k |
| 15:07.44 | siriusnova | how is battery life? |
| 15:08.41 | joerg | don't know. |
| 15:08.47 | joerg | I have to buy a new battery first. |
| 15:09.43 | joerg | this is a used device with a used battery :) |
| 15:10.38 | siriusnova | ya |
| 15:10.51 | siriusnova | anything else you like aboutit? |
| 15:10.56 | siriusnova | or stuff i should know of |
| 15:12.33 | joerg | everything runs very unstable. |
| 15:12.50 | joerg | I was disappointed when I played around with it. |
| 15:12.59 | siriusnova | reall? |
| 15:13.02 | siriusnova | really? |
| 15:13.06 | siriusnova | using the OZ rom? |
| 15:13.59 | joerg | yes |
| 15:14.13 | siriusnova | like it crashes a lot? |
| 15:15.14 | joerg | thats it. |
| 15:15.18 | siriusnova | hrmm |
| 15:15.35 | siriusnova | is it opie that crashes or the kernel? |
| 15:15.42 | joerg | play around with it a few weeks and sell it at ebay :P |
| 15:15.44 | siriusnova | because im just going to run the consolemainly |
| 15:15.49 | siriusnova | *console |
| 15:16.09 | joerg | the kernel I think |
| 15:16.11 | siriusnova | i mainly intend to use it as a kismet wireless sniffer |
| 15:16.15 | siriusnova | hrmm k |
| 15:16.39 | joerg | kismet works |
| 15:16.42 | joerg | at least sometimes ;) |
| 15:17.31 | joerg | don't expect to much... |
| 15:17.46 | joerg | the wlan card needs battery too... |
| 15:17.46 | hobbs | kismet gives me no issues |
| 15:17.51 | siriusnova | well im not |
| 15:18.01 | siriusnova | i have a Palm PDA as my regular pda |
| 15:18.13 | siriusnova | i bought the zaurus to run linux on and play around with |
| 15:18.16 | hobbs | siriusnova: it's actually the 5500 that's unstable moreso than OZ :) |
| 15:18.17 | siriusnova | and to use wifi with |
| 15:18.23 | siriusnova | hobbs, really? |
| 15:18.29 | joerg | hobbs: it sometimes crashes my collie when I quit it :) |
| 15:18.48 | hobbs | siriusnova: my C1000 is about as close to rock-solid as you could expect running OZ 3.5.4.1 |
| 15:19.08 | siriusnova | i spent $200 on the SL-5500, with 1 256mb SD AND CF card, screen protectors, case, extra stylus, 2 cradles, and wifi card |
| 15:19.09 | hobbs | siriusnova: but the 5500 is a goofy piece of hardware that's forced to run inferior software |
| 15:19.15 | siriusnova | i bought mine off of ebay |
| 15:19.19 | siriusnova | hobbs that sucks :( |
| 15:19.24 | siriusnova | so should i sellit? |
| 15:19.37 | hrw|work | 5500 is in worst condition now when it comes to stability |
| 15:19.54 | siriusnova | i dont understand why, bad hardware? |
| 15:19.55 | hrw|work | no one wants to work on its 2.4 kernel |
| 15:20.09 | hrw|work | other models got 2.6 nice working |
| 15:20.26 | siriusnova | so switch to 2.6 kernel then? |
| 15:20.40 | hrw|work | no way - sd is not supported due to lack of docs |
| 15:20.43 | hrw|work | ~locomo |
| 15:20.44 | ibot | locomo is probably a completely undocumented chip in the Sharp Zaurus |
| 15:21.04 | hobbs | siriusnova: running 2.6 on collie is unreasonable due to certain pieces of proprietary, unspecced hardware |
| 15:21.25 | hobbs | siriusnova: it actually boots these days, from what I hear, but it's no picnic |
| 15:21.27 | siriusnova | damn |
| 15:21.48 | hobbs | siriusnova: the newer systems are a good deal less bizarre, they're built around a common Intel platform, and work with a near-stock Linux kernel |
| 15:22.09 | hobbs | more eyes, less bugs :) |
| 15:22.20 | siriusnova | so i should sell it and get a 5600? |
| 15:22.25 | siriusnova | but they are expensive :( |
| 15:22.49 | hrw|work | 5600? rather clamshell |
| 15:22.57 | hobbs | that's 'cause they're way out of production |
| 15:23.05 | hobbs | you can get a C1000 cheaper than a 5600 |
| 15:23.17 | siriusnova | hobbs - where? |
| 15:23.31 | mrz80 | (*blink*) |
| 15:23.47 | hobbs | siriusnova: pricejapan.com if you want the best price from an importer, conics.net if you want better service for a little bit more :) |
| 15:24.32 | siriusnova | i just want a linux pda thats cheap |
| 15:24.33 | siriusnova | :( |
| 15:24.55 | hobbs | _any_ PDA that's cheap is going to be an old piece of crap ;) |
| 15:25.06 | hobbs | or in the case of certain palms, a brand new piece of crap |
| 15:25.24 | siriusnova | well my zire is really nice |
| 15:25.36 | siriusnova | imho its a basic thing but its good at what it does |
| 15:27.35 | hobbs | meh. There's an awful lot of things they can't do, for lack of memory or cycles or resolution or expansion ports or connectivity or... ;) |
| 15:28.25 | siriusnova | yeah but i bought it for like $99, and its a basic organizer, and its really good at being an organizer with a few other apps |
| 15:28.35 | siriusnova | it also gets like 10 hours of battery life and fits in my pocket |
| 15:28.37 | siriusnova | its tiny |
| 15:31.32 | siriusnova | hrmm |
| 15:31.43 | siriusnova | i might put the SL-5500 on ebay and then just get a C1000 |
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| 15:39.26 | mrand | I want to change my default editor. Does anyone know offhand where it is defined? |
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| 15:48.25 | mrand | nevermind :) |
| 15:53.54 | Pimpinella | mrand: i added it manually in ~/.bash_profile , dunno if thats the best way to go |
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| 16:00.49 | hrw|work | cu |
| 16:04.09 | lardman | kerwood: Could you note that in the wiki in that case please |
| 16:04.18 | lardman | pgas: Ah, I didn't see that part |
| 16:15.38 | mrand | Is it true that only SD cards up to a certain capacity are compatible with my terrier? What is the maximum size SD card I should try to buy? |
| 16:16.58 | hobbs | mrand: nope, if you're running recent OZ you should be fine for any capacity they make today. :) |
| 16:17.11 | mrand | hobbs: great! thanks |
| 16:23.02 | kerwood | lardman: done |
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| 16:27.23 | mrand | hobbs: how about SDHC? Do you know if that is supported? |
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| 16:27.33 | hobbs | what's that? |
| 16:27.55 | mrand | SD 2.0 technology. allows 8GB and larger |
| 16:28.14 | mrand | not compatible with SD 1.1 devices |
| 16:28.40 | hobbs | mrand: probably not |
| 16:28.55 | mrand | hobbs: ok. thanks |
| 16:30.30 | mrand | sounds like 4GB is the ceiling for now, unless non SDHC cards come out in larger capacities. |
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| 16:36.22 | lardman | have a nice weekend all |
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| 20:32.31 | mrand | I am trying to use cron to mute my terrier while I'm in class, but I find that cron doesn't execute events while the lid is closed. Do you think this is a solveable problem? |
| 20:33.03 | mimecar | if zaurus is off, only the clock works |
| 20:33.26 | mimecar | you can off the screen only |
| 20:33.31 | mrand | but kopi-alarm causes the z to wake up... |
| 20:34.12 | mimecar | no idea |
| 20:34.16 | JustinP | mrand: cron doesn't schedule wake-ups the way that schedulers do....if your Z is suspending normal programs aren't running and this includes cron |
| 20:34.16 | mimecar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.21 | mrand | ok |
| 20:34.47 | JustinP | mrand: you may be able to schedule it to wake-up somehow, but I know nothing about how those work |
| 20:37.29 | mrand | maybe I should petition the kopi devs to add a quiet-times feature. ;-) |
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| 20:46.49 | JustinP | nothing to do with kopi |
| 20:47.07 | JustinP | there's a generic way to set up alarms for wake-up. all of the calendar programs use it |
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| 21:57.37 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 22:01.25 | wsuetholz | hello |
| 22:01.52 | wsuetholz | What's the best way to compile a new driver for the Z (OZ 3.5.4.1) |
| 22:02.55 | wsuetholz | I have a next generation ZD1211 driver (zd1211rw) which also requires the softmac drivers |
| 22:12.06 | wsuetholz | I have done a successful OE build of the 3.5.4.1 (haven't run what I produced yet...) |
| 23:42.55 | Laibsch | Is the flash ROM on let's say the C-3100 used at all if I altboot a loop image from SD? |
| 23:54.24 | JustinP | Laibsch: altboot has to boot from a similar operating system, yes |
| 23:54.46 | JustinP | Laibsch: although on the C3x00 the flash isn't used for OZ, it's hda1 on HD |
| 23:54.52 | JustinP | Laibsch: so I don't know why you'd boot from SD..... |
| 23:56.26 | Laibsch | I meant the C1000. I am considering if I should buy one. The display of my collie seems to have been broken from a few drops of water. It lost the touch-sensitivity. |