00:01.00 | sirius | yeah i definetly need opera |
00:01.00 | sirius | konquerer-embedded has trouble with my web mail account |
00:01.00 | sirius | and doesnt work with yahoo either |
00:01.16 | hvontres|poodle | hmmm, that could be difficult in OZ...:( I think the softfloat/hardfolat thing might bite you there |
00:01.25 | sirius | damn |
00:01.37 | sirius | are there any browsers available? |
00:01.40 | sirius | that work |
00:01.40 | hvontres|poodle | check the oesf forums tho... |
00:01.47 | hvontres|poodle | links? |
00:01.59 | sirius | yeah might try links |
00:02.11 | hvontres|poodle | since I don't have wifi for my Z, I don't do much browsing. |
00:02.18 | blibbet | lynx? |
00:02.33 | sirius | links is a better fork of lynx |
00:02.36 | sirius | imho |
00:03.10 | blibbet | thx, thought it was a typo... |
00:03.53 | hvontres|poodle | ohh, and I run BitchX through ssh (right now actually) |
00:04.35 | sirius | i like irssi |
00:06.00 | hvontres|poodle | irssi is not in the feed atm...but I know the recipie is in OE...so if you feel adventerous, you can set up an OE evironment and roll you own. :) |
00:08.53 | sirius | hmm k |
00:12.44 | sirius | i can do stuff like ipkg install bitchx xmms-embedded right? |
00:12.48 | sirius | like in dpkg |
00:12.57 | sirius | as in chain install stuff |
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00:16.44 | hvontres|poodle | sirrius: yes |
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00:19.33 | sirius | i just installed a ton of stuff |
00:19.50 | sirius | bitchx, notez, opie-reader, wellenwrieter etc.. |
00:19.54 | sirius | and kismet ;) |
00:20.49 | sirius | crap |
00:20.52 | sirius | i tried to reboot and it hung |
00:20.56 | sirius | how do i power off? |
00:24.42 | hvontres|poodle | flip the battery switch, open the battery compartment and hit the little reset button with the stylus |
00:25.36 | sirius | noo |
00:25.41 | sirius | that will delete everything no? |
00:27.44 | hvontres|poodle | aren't you using a 64-0 kernel? |
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00:44.58 | summatusmentis | hvontres|poodle, poodle is the 5500 right? |
00:47.09 | hvontres|poodle | ~poodle |
00:47.16 | ibot | from memory, poodle is sl-5600/b500, or a dog |
00:47.16 | hvontres|poodle | ~collie |
00:47.17 | ibot | somebody said collie was sharp zaurus SL-5000 (often called SL-5000D because it was developer version) or SL-5500 (also SL-5500G with QWERTZ keyboard) or a dog |
00:48.09 | summatusmentis | ok, thanks, are you using opie or gpe? |
00:48.59 | hvontres|poodle | opie...gpe in 32MB is just too painfull :( |
00:51.20 | summatusmentis | understandable, what is there for aim? what about word documents? |
00:51.32 | summatusmentis | currently I'm on GPE, but I want IRC available |
00:52.17 | summatusmentis | what software, that is... |
00:52.24 | hvontres|poodle | i think gaim runs on opie |
00:53.02 | hvontres|poodle | for IRC, there is opie irc for the gui or bitchx for console/ssh (which is what I am using right now) |
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01:06.32 | sirius | crpa i cant suspend my 5500 in 3.5.4 |
01:06.36 | sirius | anyone know how to fix that? |
01:14.00 | JustinP | sirius: perhaps you shuld let us know what you're trying and how it's failing |
01:14.58 | sirius | trying to suspend using the Cancel Button |
01:15.01 | sirius | it fails and just hangs |
01:15.10 | sirius | but interestingly it works fine when i select suspend via amenu |
01:15.11 | sirius | *a menu |
01:17.07 | JustinP | this is/was a known issue |
01:17.12 | JustinP | I thought it was fixed a while ago, though |
01:17.16 | JustinP | check the bug system |
01:17.21 | JustinP | bugs.openembedded.org |
01:17.21 | sirius | guess not |
01:17.24 | sirius | k |
01:20.21 | sirius | OZ is so nice though |
01:20.34 | sirius | i wish i could use opera though |
01:20.35 | sirius | :( |
01:24.16 | JustinP | you can try....it's just going to crash someitmes |
01:24.22 | sirius | hrmm k |
01:24.48 | JustinP | if you can even get it to run |
01:25.00 | sirius | damn i cant find an email client |
01:25.04 | sirius | any suggestions? |
01:25.44 | sirius | nvm found one |
01:25.58 | sirius | sorry if i ask too many questions |
01:26.02 | sirius | im new to the z |
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02:31.26 | siriusnova | anyone know of any web browser that works on OZ 3.5.4 and doesnt suck like Konq? |
02:31.28 | siriusnova | :( |
02:32.44 | JustinP | firefox |
02:33.03 | siriusnova | JustinP - does it work on opie? |
02:35.00 | JustinP | siriusnova: nope |
02:35.16 | JustinP | GPE is just as good as Opie and can run more useufl apps |
02:35.18 | siriusnova | JustinP - what device do y ou have? |
02:35.22 | siriusnova | I have an SL-5500 |
02:35.32 | JustinP | C3000 |
02:35.40 | JustinP | but I ran GPE on a collie back in the say |
02:35.44 | JustinP | day |
02:35.47 | siriusnova | does it work well? |
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02:42.25 | JustinP | yeah, somewhat slow, but it's th eonly one that works as well as it does |
02:42.36 | siriusnova | hrmm k |
02:42.59 | siriusnova | i guess im flashing to gpe then |
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03:46.14 | D4rkly | hi does anyone know which java vm's work with OZ. the sun personal profile install reports: Qt does not appear to be installed ? |
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04:11.12 | JustinP | sun personal profile? |
04:11.29 | JustinP | only packages in the OZ feeds will work with OZ |
04:11.49 | JustinP | there are no java VMs in OE to my knowledge |
04:18.47 | D4rkly | is there any way i can make the installation think im running Qt ? |
04:25.18 | JustinP | install Opie? |
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14:34.26 | Cyorxamp | Hey, I've got a 512mb CF and a 512mb SD card in my zaurus and i've got the choice of a zImage - whats my best option? |
14:34.56 | Cyorxamp | p.s. Have done the OZ thing before but -this- time my zaurus is actually fully workin :P so it's been a while |
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14:35.23 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: you have a collie? I aalways suggest 64-0 |
14:35.32 | Cyorxamp | 5500 |
14:35.45 | JustinP | ~collie |
14:35.46 | ibot | [collie] sharp zaurus SL-5000 (often called SL-5000D because it was developer version) or SL-5500 (also SL-5500G with QWERTZ keyboard) or a dog |
14:35.52 | Cyorxamp | well last I was on this site I saw something about installing the OS on the SD card so that I have more RAM |
14:36.04 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: yes |
14:36.13 | Cyorxamp | So which zImage is that one? |
14:36.19 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: there's the hentges roms which are slightly altered OZ images |
14:36.36 | Cyorxamp | would that be my best option? |
14:36.42 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: there's also just installing a bootstrap-image on flash and then installing a loopback image to SD with altboot |
14:36.50 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: 64-0, as I said |
14:36.56 | TuomasT | I'm using Collie with 64-0 and I recommedent it. No more lost programs due to battery change etc |
14:36.59 | TuomasT | Is openzaurus.org down? |
14:37.09 | Cyorxamp | your not making any sense - when did the OZ site get so slow and shitty |
14:37.27 | Cyorxamp | i would read up on things but it's so damn slow and half the info that was on there last time is missing |
14:37.30 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: sometimes websites go down |
14:39.41 | TuomasT | What are the "ext2" versions of images for Collie OZ 3.5.4? (ext2 is a filesystem, but..) |
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14:41.20 | JustinP | not sure |
14:42.45 | Cyorxamp | I'm not sure how 64-0 is gonna install the OS to the SD card |
14:42.56 | Cyorxamp | Infact I can't even find the original page that mentioned it |
14:45.28 | Cyorxamp | ~hentges |
14:45.42 | Cyorxamp | ~useless |
14:45.43 | ibot | ACTION starts crying and hides from cyorxamp in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
14:49.35 | TuomasT | Can a bad zImage / initrd flash cause Zaurus to not be able to flash again? Or am I safe trying different images? |
14:49.45 | TuomasT | Zaurus = Collie |
15:00.57 | JustinP | TuomasT: no, it shouldn't although it may be possible if it's too big |
15:01.01 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: hentges.net |
15:01.14 | Cyorxamp | Already there but I had to use google to get to certain pages on the domain |
15:01.21 | Cyorxamp | Seems like half the links are missing |
15:01.25 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: 64-0 won't install anything to SD of course. It's just the one you should use. |
15:01.26 | Cyorxamp | Found cardfs and altboot |
15:01.54 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: install the bootstrap image to flash, then put the tarball on your SD card and go to the altboot advanced menu and install it on a loopback image on SD |
15:02.04 | JustinP | altboot is on our images automatically, btw |
15:02.05 | Cyorxamp | If I use 64-0... isn't it the one that wont let me have space for new apps? |
15:02.10 | JustinP | NO |
15:02.21 | JustinP | it doesn't create a *ramdrive* for use as an FS |
15:02.24 | Cyorxamp | 0 storage space |
15:02.27 | JustinP | NO |
15:02.35 | Cyorxamp | look your completely loosing me, and shouting at me |
15:02.37 | JustinP | you still have all the normal flash |
15:02.45 | Cyorxamp | forget it |
15:02.53 | JustinP | and besides, you want to install to SD, so.... |
15:03.06 | JustinP | I'm trying to help, have a little tenacity |
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15:03.26 | Cyorxamp | your an ass from what I can see, swept up in your own superiority |
15:04.07 | JustinP | excuse me? |
15:04.53 | JustinP | if you don't want help, don't ask for it |
15:05.01 | JustinP | as I said, I was only trying to help |
15:05.12 | Cyorxamp | hey I said forget it and you kept yabbering away |
15:05.14 | hrw|work | some people will never learn that others can help them.. |
15:05.17 | hrw|work | ~lart Cyorxamp |
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15:09.23 | Cyorxamp | cardfs-gpe-collie-openzaurus_oz3.5.4.1-rc4-gpe2.7-T1.bin |
15:10.07 | Cyorxamp | hentges-gpe-image-collie_T1.tar.gz |
15:10.36 | Cyorxamp | is there a hentges channel - might that guy know what he means? |
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15:12.18 | siriusnova | anyone here know how to play shoutcast streams on their zaurus? |
15:12.27 | Cyorxamp | use VLC |
15:12.40 | siriusnova | Cyorxamp - there is no vlc port for my zaurus |
15:12.45 | siriusnova | SL-5500 |
15:12.47 | Cyorxamp | has built in support for the on2 cocdecs, nsv, etc... |
15:13.05 | Cyorxamp | sure there is... go to the VLC site... i've installed it on my 5500 before |
15:13.22 | Cyorxamp | and if I can ever fucking work out how to flash this thing i'll be putting it back on |
15:13.31 | siriusnova | hrmm k |
15:13.58 | siriusnova | it needs gpe |
15:14.01 | siriusnova | im using opie :/ |
15:14.11 | Cyorxamp | yeah I use gpe... as opie stinks |
15:14.27 | siriusnova | hmm k |
15:14.36 | siriusnova | whats better about gpe? |
15:14.44 | siriusnova | im debating wether to reflash to gpe |
15:14.47 | Cyorxamp | a severe lack of anything QT |
15:14.54 | Cyorxamp | QT is evil |
15:14.57 | siriusnova | yeah thats a problem, but it is slower? |
15:15.02 | Cyorxamp | naah |
15:15.03 | siriusnova | ive had problems finding apps |
15:15.11 | siriusnova | most of the stuff is really old |
15:15.22 | siriusnova | xmms embedded crashes a ton too |
15:15.24 | siriusnova | :/ |
15:15.50 | Cyorxamp | well u'll have vlc |
15:15.50 | siriusnova | true |
15:16.06 | Cyorxamp | i still can't work out how the hell i'm suppose to flash this so it uses my SD card for storing the OS |
15:16.26 | siriusnova | which z? |
15:16.33 | Cyorxamp | same as yours |
15:16.40 | siriusnova | i flashed mine yesterday |
15:16.44 | siriusnova | its not that hard |
15:16.50 | siriusnova | im using a loop image |
15:16.53 | siriusnova | on my SD |
15:30.11 | siriusnova | also mplayer on the 5500 and is borked |
15:30.16 | siriusnova | crashes with libmad0 problems |
15:30.35 | siriusnova | mpd? |
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15:33.32 | JustinP | mpd |
15:53.52 | lardman | ~google mpd |
15:54.16 | lardman | ibot: wakey wakey |
15:54.26 | lardman | http://www.musicpd.org/ |
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16:08.23 | siriusnova | do you guys reccomend gpe or opie for more apps? |
16:09.46 | hrw | check by yourself |
16:09.55 | hrw | it depend what you need, what you like etc |
16:11.39 | siriusnova | the gpe rom can run X apps right? |
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17:56.28 | Kevin` | hello? |
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18:17.54 | meebey | isnt there a 2.6 kernel for tosa? |
18:18.23 | JustinP | yes |
18:18.34 | meebey | I flashed using openzaurus 3.5.4 and its 2.4.18, when I bring the wlan interface up, khubd oopses the kernel |
18:18.57 | meebey | JustinP: how can I install it? just like a normal package? |
18:19.18 | meebey | have to find out how to transfer it without wlan, probably usb... |
18:19.56 | JustinP | meebey: 3.5.4? try 3.5.4.1 or 3.5.4.2 RC |
18:22.03 | meebey | JustinP: I read they are not made for tosa |
18:23.20 | hobbs | meebey: where did you read that? It obviously wasn't openzaurus.org :) |
18:23.54 | JustinP | .1 doesn't have a tosa package apparently, but .2 RC does |
18:23.56 | JustinP | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/3.5.4.2-test/rc2/ |
18:24.29 | meebey | hobbs: main page lists .1 "for c7x0, akita, spitz, borzoi, terrier" |
18:24.39 | hobbs | OZ 3.5.4.2-rc2 released |
18:24.39 | hobbs | <PROTECTED> |
18:24.39 | hobbs | Third version of OpenZaurus with 2.6 kernel support poodle (sl-5600) and tosa (sl-6000) |
18:24.56 | meebey | hmmm release candidate... |
18:25.23 | meebey | isnt it possible to upgrade by using packages? |
18:25.34 | meebey | upgrading by flashing seems to be overkill |
18:26.27 | hobbs | not to get a new kernel |
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18:27.10 | meebey | hobbs: the kernel is on some special blockdevice that isn't accessable within the running system? |
18:27.24 | hobbs | meebey: more or less |
18:27.37 | meebey | :) |
18:28.41 | meebey | "but machines are far more usable then they were under 2.4-crapix kernel." |
18:28.42 | meebey | hehehee |
18:29.03 | meebey | s/then/than/ btw |
18:29.43 | meebey | the kernel oops I see doesn't speak for it :) |
18:30.08 | meebey | someone got sl6000 wlan running with openzaurus 3.5.4? |
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18:39.31 | mimecar | hi |
18:39.49 | meebey | could be a dumb question but how do I right-click? |
18:40.02 | meebey | on the sharprom it was a long click |
18:45.41 | alan|greve | alt-click ? |
18:45.58 | alan|greve | never used right click, though |
18:46.14 | meebey | I added the light applet a second time |
18:46.22 | meebey | so I want to remove it now using right-click |
18:46.33 | meebey | do I need to push a button? |
18:49.57 | JustinP | long press on the bar should do it I think... |
18:50.22 | meebey | ah |
18:50.23 | meebey | true :) |
18:50.33 | meebey | I always tried long press on the light applet |
18:50.34 | meebey | :-P |
18:50.36 | meebey | thanks |
18:53.28 | meebey | wth 5MB memory for that simple clock applet? |
18:53.30 | meebey | thats bloaty :) |
18:54.35 | meebey | oh busybosy shows vm size, that doesnt say much, *doh* |
18:54.44 | meebey | wondering why it has no rss column |
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20:36.57 | meebey | which directories in /home was created by openzaurus? I want to delete the old sharprom stuff |
20:37.33 | hrw | OZ does not touch /home |
20:37.44 | meebey | ah ok |
20:37.50 | meebey | so only my home directory was created |
20:38.09 | meebey | sharp left alot of trash |
20:38.20 | meebey | wondering if they ever heard anything about FHS |
20:39.10 | hrw | you are kidding? |
20:39.55 | meebey | hrw: /home/etc /usr/mnt.rom and other funny things, no I am not kiddingf |
20:40.09 | hrw | meebey: I know that sharp left crap in /home |
20:40.21 | hrw | I have c760, 6000, 5600, 5500 on desk here |
20:40.26 | meebey | :) |
20:40.45 | meebey | so I will delete everything besides my home directory |
20:41.02 | hrw | remove also $HOME/Settings/qpe.conf |
20:41.33 | meebey | doesnt exist |
20:41.48 | meebey | had no gpe on it before |
21:00.44 | blibbet | i have SL-6000L. what is best Z hardware (with English buttons) these days? |
21:02.20 | hrw | hardware or software? |
21:02.32 | blibbet | sorry, best Z hardware. |
21:03.27 | blibbet | "best" == any interesting new hardware features since the 6000L. |
21:03.59 | hrw | c3x00 maybe |
21:04.16 | hrw | pxa27x cpu (faster then one in 6000l) |
21:04.21 | hrw | microdrive built in |
21:04.28 | hrw | usbhost also present |
21:04.33 | meebey | microdrive? interesting |
21:04.45 | hrw | but no Z can beat screen used in 6000... |
21:08.10 | hrw | cu |
21:09.00 | blibbet | screen res is a good indicator, thanks for all the info. |
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21:15.11 | D4rkly | hi just out of interest has qtopia 2.2 been released or do i have to compile the source to test it ? |
21:21.54 | JustinP | blibbet: the resolution is the same but the screen on the 6000 is the best of any Zaurii. Also, the 6000 has built-in wifi. |
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21:22.11 | TuomasT | Can I make GPE image's package manager use proxy? |
21:22.12 | JustinP | blibbet: the 6000 also has a usb host IIRC |
21:22.24 | JustinP | blibbet: the C3x00 family, however, is a clamshell, larger keyboard, usb host, microdrive, and faster CPU |
21:29.26 | meebey | TuomasT: /etc/ipkg.conf |
21:39.48 | TuomasT | altboot seems nice. So I place gpe-image-3.5.4-collie.rootfs.ext2 where altboot wants it, and rename it from .ext2 to .bin and I get the choise in the menu? |
21:39.52 | blibbet | i have been thinking about trying to get that tiny USB thing to work on the 6000. either i have bad cables, or (i believe) i need to shave some of the metal down to get it to work. |
21:51.10 | meebey | only 485euro for the c3200, with a 6gb hdd? omg :) |
21:51.22 | meebey | ah wifi is missing... |
21:52.25 | meebey | schouldn't ipkg create symlinks when I use a different destination than root? |
21:52.37 | meebey | else the application will not be usable, not finding the libs etc... |
21:57.59 | CoreDump|home | TuomasT: -rootfs.bin IIRC |
21:58.13 | CoreDump|home | meebey: that is handled by ipkg-link |
21:58.33 | meebey | ah ok, I will check that |
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22:12.27 | meebey | CoreDump|home: worked, thanks |
22:12.35 | CoreDump|home | np |
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22:44.13 | TuomasT | Is there a movie/music player in the GPE feeds? |
22:45.15 | JustinP | TuomasT: of course. vlc might be in there, mplayer, mpd |
22:47.56 | TuomasT | I had little luck with mplayer (the best) atleast fro 3.5.4 feed.. By the way, does the package system prevent installing OPIE programs in GPE? |
22:49.14 | TuomasT | As if not, I see allkind of problems with installing programs avaible to both platforms. For example xmms. |
22:49.40 | TuomasT | How to update the program icons without logging out & in ? |
22:49.57 | hobbs | TuomasT: but xmms doesn't run on opie, qxmms does ;) |
22:50.05 | JustinP | you can install whatever you want. If you try to install an opie package, opie (or most of it) will be brought in, yes |
22:50.07 | TuomasT | There was a button for that in Opie, but I'm not sure if there is one in GPE |
22:50.12 | JustinP | xmms-embedded does |
22:50.39 | hobbs | TuomasT: there isn't a problem because if the same thing runs on both systems, then fine, and if not, then there are two different packages |
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23:09.25 | summatusmentis | does anyone have gpe-irc working? |
23:12.49 | TuomasT | Oh I wish I could use Gentoo's portage to install stuff into Z |
23:17.09 | JustinP | TuomasT: bitbake is a derivative of portage ;-) |
23:17.55 | TuomasT | Yes I know. But I'm familiar with portage and it has very extensive collection of 'stuff |
23:19.51 | TuomasT | Something like "emerge nano > zaurus" would make my day ;-) |
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23:27.12 | TuomasT | Then again, it is the fault of portage, that there is no inbuilt support for crosscompiling |
23:40.57 | JustinP | exactly |
23:41.15 | JustinP | and portage is mostly for building packages for immediate use on the same system, not for building distros |
23:41.25 | JustinP | bitbake is quite different now :-) |
23:45.46 | TuomasT | No more waiting 10 minutes after each 'emerge' command before anything happens? :-) |
23:48.42 | SpudULike | On a C760, can I do a NAND flash restore from an SD card? |
23:52.04 | TuomasT | Help: mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libmad.so.0: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Error 14 (starting mplayer from 3.5.4 feed) |
23:53.05 | TuomasT | And justreader is broken too.. darn I miss 3.5.2 already. "justreader: symbol lookup error: justreader: undefined symbol: _2Qt.darkCyan" |
23:56.07 | TuomasT | Apparently there is a working one in the feeds.. |
23:59.14 | TuomasT | Apparently the mplayer in 2.5.4 feed only works with 2.6.X kernels |