| 00:00.54 | Cyorxamp | hang on, isn't that the same bloody file? |
| 00:01.15 | Cyorxamp | should I be using 3.5.4.1. on a Sl-5500 ? |
| 00:02.07 | CoreDump|afk | the do-not-use stuff should work just fine |
| 00:02.27 | Cyorxamp | well ive flashed it 3 times and it just hangs at the logo |
| 00:03.19 | Cyorxamp | hentges-gpe-image-collie_T1-RC1.tar.gz right? |
| 00:03.24 | lindenle | Cyorxamp: did you ever flash back to original rom? |
| 00:03.33 | Cyorxamp | lindenle, yup |
| 00:03.40 | Cyorxamp | that works fine |
| 00:03.43 | lindenle | k, sorry not following too close |
| 00:03.51 | lindenle | and before i di that my Z acted extremely strange |
| 00:03.59 | lindenle | with OZ |
| 00:04.05 | Cyorxamp | the Z always acts strange |
| 00:04.13 | lindenle | not mine ;) |
| 00:04.16 | hvontres|poodle | Cyorxamp: try flashing a bootstrap image to see if that even works |
| 00:04.34 | lindenle | could it be bad hardware |
| 00:04.41 | lindenle | or does it work with default rom |
| 00:04.52 | Cyorxamp | works with the original rom fine |
| 00:05.02 | lindenle | k |
| 00:05.05 | Cyorxamp | it's just OZ... never ever worked properly |
| 00:05.19 | CoreDump|afk | hvontres|poodle: give me a /tell when he gets too annoying again |
| 00:05.50 | Cyorxamp | CoreDump|afk, yes because being the creator of this mess you couldn't possibly know what the hell is wrong with it |
| 00:05.53 | Cyorxamp | go back to sleep :{P |
| 00:06.01 | Cyorxamp | o_O I gave myself a tash |
| 00:07.14 | hvontres|poodle | Cyorxamp: how long did you let the Z sit at the logo? Irc, the first boot can take a while |
| 00:07.30 | Cyorxamp | i gave it a couple of minutes |
| 00:07.43 | Cyorxamp | normally it just fires straight up asking for an altboot password |
| 00:08.10 | Cyorxamp | you see i've done all this bit ok before... all the menus and whatnot for using the SD but it never works - now it works even less |
| 00:08.30 | hvontres|poodle | Cyorxamp: Which SD card do you have? |
| 00:08.44 | Cyorxamp | err its a samsung I think... a 512mb |
| 00:08.54 | Cyorxamp | it's the blue one :P |
| 00:09.00 | lindenle | did you check the md5 sums before flashing? |
| 00:09.14 | Cyorxamp | nope, but I have been thinking perhaps I should have |
| 00:09.22 | Cyorxamp | the hentges site is dreadfully slow |
| 00:09.37 | hvontres|poodle | wrong side of a DSL link :) |
| 00:10.04 | Cyorxamp | i think i've downloaded like 6 files now |
| 00:10.16 | kantlivelon1 | so does SNES work on Z? |
| 00:10.18 | Cyorxamp | both do_not_use ones and the others |
| 00:10.20 | Cyorxamp | GPE |
| 00:10.35 | CoreDump|afk | hentges.net has a pretty good uplink, peaks at 2.5Mega*Byte*/sec |
| 00:10.55 | Cyorxamp | i've got 29kb/sec on ur files |
| 00:11.19 | CoreDump|afk | something in between is causing that then. Server is in germany |
| 00:11.20 | Cyorxamp | and i'm an impatient fucker at 1am |
| 00:11.26 | hvontres|poodle | opps, my bad...I thought you were stuck behind a 128 KBps DSL |
| 00:11.38 | Cyorxamp | hvontres|poodle this line is 8mbps |
| 00:11.52 | hvontres|poodle | no, I meant hentges.net |
| 00:11.56 | Cyorxamp | oh |
| 00:11.57 | CoreDump|afk | hvontres|poodle: I am, the server is not =) |
| 00:12.18 | Cyorxamp | ok, can i list the files i have so far CoreDump|afk? |
| 00:12.19 | hvontres|poodle | ahh...I see, so just updating the server is hell then :) |
| 00:12.22 | Cyorxamp | that is, if ur not sleeping now |
| 00:12.27 | Cyorxamp | and your onboard with helping |
| 00:12.37 | Cyorxamp | you'll have my eternal begging and apologies if it works :P |
| 00:12.47 | CoreDump|afk | hvontres|poodle: indeed :\ |
| 00:12.58 | CoreDump|afk | well, post aways |
| 00:13.08 | Cyorxamp | cardfs-gpe-collie-openzaurus_oz3.5.4.1-gpe2.7-T1-RC1.bin |
| 00:13.12 | Cyorxamp | hentges-gpe-image-collie_T1-3.5.4.1-rc4-collie.rootfs.tar.gz |
| 00:13.15 | Cyorxamp | hentges-gpe-image-collie_T1-RC1.tar.gz |
| 00:13.17 | Cyorxamp | cardfs-gpe-collie-openzaurus_oz3.5.4.1-rc4-gpe2.7-T1.bin |
| 00:13.20 | Cyorxamp | hentges-gpe-image-collie_T1.tar.gz |
| 00:13.42 | Cyorxamp | and it all looks as confusing as fuck... oh and i also have OSPACK (just incase) |
| 00:14.01 | Cyorxamp | CF at the ready and a blank ext2 formatted SD card at the ready |
| 00:15.09 | CoreDump|afk | extract initrd.bin from hentges-gpe-image-collie_T1-RC1.tar.gz and flash away |
| 00:15.20 | Cyorxamp | should I md5 sum check first? |
| 00:15.49 | kantlivelon1 | does jre work on GPE? |
| 00:16.00 | CoreDump|afk | can't hurt, but the tar.gz compression should -in theory - prevent anyone from extracting damaged files |
| 00:16.10 | Cyorxamp | ok well bugger it then |
| 00:16.14 | Cyorxamp | cant find the md5 tool anyways |
| 00:16.25 | kantlivelon1 | Cyorxamp: md5sum?? |
| 00:16.27 | CoreDump|afk | hvontres|poodle: http://hentges.net/tmp/screenshots/mhcln03/Bildschirmfoto-3.jpg ;) |
| 00:16.30 | Cyorxamp | yeah that fucker |
| 00:16.49 | Cyorxamp | oh and I need zImage on there too right? |
| 00:16.55 | Cyorxamp | 64-0 variety I have |
| 00:17.05 | CoreDump|afk | yep |
| 00:17.11 | Cyorxamp | should I md5sum check that? |
| 00:17.15 | Cyorxamp | its 891kb |
| 00:17.50 | CoreDump|afk | yeah |
| 00:17.55 | Cyorxamp | ok initrd.bin and zimage on the CF... should I put one of the bins on there? |
| 00:18.32 | Cyorxamp | like cardfs-gpe-collie-openzaurus_oz3.5.4.1-gpe2.7-T1-RC1.bin ? |
| 00:18.59 | hvontres|poodle | Cyorxamp: CoreDump|afk: phhhhtppppp :) |
| 00:19.14 | CoreDump|afk | Cyorxamp: that, too yes |
| 00:19.28 | Cyorxamp | CoreDump|afk, ok while flashing should i have the sd in or not? |
| 00:19.39 | CoreDump|afk | doesn't matter |
| 00:19.50 | Cyorxamp | ok flashing... |
| 00:19.58 | Cyorxamp | this is the exact setup I did before |
| 00:20.00 | lindenle | good luck!!!! |
| 00:20.42 | lindenle | IMHO OZ rocks!! |
| 00:21.04 | Cyorxamp | i hope whatever ends up on here works with my wifi adapter like the original one originally did before it had a fit |
| 00:21.14 | Cyorxamp | i reeeeeeally hate inexplicable problems |
| 00:22.07 | lindenle | agreed |
| 00:22.20 | Cyorxamp | CoreDump|afk, i wait till the lights go off... press the reset button again, turn back to normal battery mode, then turn it on - right? |
| 00:22.21 | hvontres|poodle | Cyorxamp: do you have a cf to pcmcia adapter and a laptop to see it the card isn't buggerd? |
| 00:22.40 | Cyorxamp | hvontres|poodle, i can try this using another CF card |
| 00:22.48 | Cyorxamp | but no... not got a PCMCIA adapter |
| 00:23.04 | hvontres|poodle | Cyorxamp: no, I meant the wlan card |
| 00:23.21 | Cyorxamp | ok the OZ logo is up - i'm timing it |
| 00:23.31 | Cyorxamp | hvontres|poodle, oh... well no pcmcia anyways |
| 00:23.38 | Cyorxamp | so theres no other way of testing it |
| 00:24.02 | Cyorxamp | 50 seconds |
| 00:24.05 | hvontres|poodle | any buddies with ipaqs or something of that ilk? |
| 00:24.30 | Cyorxamp | nope |
| 00:24.42 | Cyorxamp | 1:30 minutes |
| 00:25.09 | Cyorxamp | normally it asks me for an altboot password about now - surely? |
| 00:25.32 | Cyorxamp | 2:30 |
| 00:26.01 | Cyorxamp | CoreDump|afk, any ideas? |
| 00:26.32 | CoreDump|afk | not really and my collie is not with me ATM |
| 00:28.00 | hvontres|poodle | Cyorxamp: did you try removing both the cf and the sd cards? |
| 00:28.10 | Cyorxamp | removing them? |
| 00:28.16 | Cyorxamp | no both sd and cf are in atm |
| 00:28.34 | Cyorxamp | this will solve it |
| 00:28.40 | Cyorxamp | i remember doing something like this last time |
| 00:29.06 | hvontres|poodle | remove cards, reboot, see if it comes up, tell it not to look for cardfs, shut down, insert cards, restart... |
| 00:29.07 | Cyorxamp | noep maybe not - wishful thinking |
| 00:29.24 | Cyorxamp | hvontres|poodle, it aint even getting past showin the OZ logo |
| 00:29.31 | Cyorxamp | theres buggery else on the screen |
| 00:30.02 | hvontres|poodle | get dinner, come back to see if something hapend??? |
| 00:30.19 | Cyorxamp | its 1:30am |
| 00:31.39 | Cyorxamp | well the md5 checks out on the do_not_use init thingy and the cardfs bin file |
| 00:31.44 | Cyorxamp | maybe the zImage is fucked |
| 00:31.55 | Cyorxamp | anyone got a link to get that from? |
| 00:32.08 | Cyorxamp | ive been usin http://mirror.hentges.net/www.openzaurus.org/3.5.4/images/collie/ |
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| 00:33.32 | Cyorxamp | nope its md5sum checks out too |
| 00:33.37 | Cyorxamp | i'll try my other CF card |
| 00:33.44 | hvontres|poodle | you could try http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/images/collie/ |
| 00:34.01 | hvontres|poodle | but i think that is the same as the hentges mirror |
| 00:34.09 | Cyorxamp | i think OZ is unstable enough... don't you? |
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| 00:34.23 | hvontres|poodle | heheh |
| 00:34.48 | hvontres|poodle | I don't think there ever was a STABLE oz release :) |
| 00:34.57 | kantlivelong | does prelinking work w/ oZ? |
| 00:35.16 | hvontres|poodle | not sure |
| 00:35.27 | Cyorxamp | ok trying my 512mb cf card now instead of the 256mb |
| 00:35.52 | hvontres|poodle | dumb queston, is CF card FAT 16 or FAT 32? |
| 00:36.08 | Cyorxamp | lindenle - this is your q |
| 00:36.18 | Cyorxamp | hvontres|poodle, dunno |
| 00:36.28 | Cyorxamp | *cue |
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| 00:36.52 | hvontres|poodle | cause fat 32 won't work ...:) |
| 00:37.25 | Cyorxamp | well if it is fat32 (unlikely) then its worked enough to give me the OZ logo hasn't it? |
| 00:37.49 | hvontres|poodle | hmmmm. true... |
| 00:38.09 | kantlivelong | sniffles.. i get sad when i see finalfantasy7 |
| 00:39.41 | hvontres|poodle | Cyorxamp: When was the last time you had the original sharp rom on there? |
| 00:39.43 | Cyorxamp | might have an idea what could be wrong |
| 00:39.55 | Cyorxamp | hvontres|poodle, maybe an hour or so ago - worked fine |
| 00:40.46 | hvontres|poodle | Cyorxamp: So what is your latest diagnosis? |
| 00:41.07 | Cyorxamp | my button on the back being at the wrong position |
| 00:41.14 | Cyorxamp | the replace battery switch |
| 00:41.26 | Cyorxamp | doing it properly paying close attention now |
| 00:41.26 | hvontres|poodle | DOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 00:41.48 | Cyorxamp | cover is off... replace battery is ON... reflashing |
| 00:42.05 | Cyorxamp | when its done i'll press full reset , put cover back on and flip switch |
| 00:42.10 | Cyorxamp | then turn on.... right? |
| 00:42.29 | hvontres|poodle | I think so....I have only done poodle so far. |
| 00:42.39 | Cyorxamp | ok i see oz logo |
| 00:42.51 | Cyorxamp | and again... nada |
| 00:42.57 | hvontres|poodle | does collie show progress indicator while flashing? |
| 00:43.04 | Cyorxamp | nope |
| 00:43.23 | Cyorxamp | just the mail light goes green while its doing it |
| 00:43.42 | hvontres|poodle | hmmm, too bad. the poodle tells you what it is doing. |
| 00:43.59 | Cyorxamp | ok im sick of this - i'd try a normal OZ image if the site was up |
| 00:44.05 | hvontres|poodle | I think your initrd might not be flashing correctly. |
| 00:44.20 | Cyorxamp | initrd.bin ? |
| 00:44.31 | Cyorxamp | well the md5 sum is fine |
| 00:45.05 | hvontres|poodle | which updater.sh are you using? |
| 00:45.15 | Cyorxamp | which who what where when how? |
| 00:45.34 | hvontres|poodle | on the cf card, there should be a file called updater.sh |
| 00:45.39 | Cyorxamp | nope |
| 00:46.03 | Cyorxamp | theres initrd.bin, zImage, and cardfs-gpe-collie-openzaurus_oz3.5.4.1-gpe2.7-T1-RC1.bin |
| 00:46.24 | Cyorxamp | never heard of a updater.sh |
| 00:47.30 | Cyorxamp | gonna try the normal OZ bootstrap image |
| 00:48.08 | Cyorxamp | actually I have another collie here i can try things on too |
| 00:48.28 | Cyorxamp | will try what I just did on this one... on that one |
| 00:49.24 | hvontres|poodle | the wiki is still up: http://openzaurus.berlios.de/Collie/Install |
| 00:49.43 | Cyorxamp | i know how to flash |
| 00:50.03 | hvontres|poodle | also, the main mirror is at: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/images/collie/ |
| 00:50.04 | Cyorxamp | ok trying exactly the same CF card and process on my other collie |
| 00:50.28 | hvontres|poodle | sorry, updater.sh is for poodle... my bad |
| 00:51.54 | Cyorxamp | ok now I have 2 collies showing the OZ logo... this is stupid |
| 00:52.15 | Cyorxamp | you getting this CoreDump|afk ? |
| 00:52.21 | Cyorxamp | can't possibly be me! |
| 00:52.32 | Cyorxamp | TWO zaurus SL-5500's doing the same |
| 00:53.24 | Cyorxamp | bugger it i'll try the bootstrap |
| 00:53.36 | Cyorxamp | will extract the tarball onto the ext2 sd card like i was going to |
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| 00:54.10 | Cyorxamp | might turn this second collie into a linux powered alarm clock some day |
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| 00:54.22 | Cyorxamp | it has no touch screen and the sound is slightly dodgy :P |
| 00:54.28 | hvontres|poodle | but you need to get at least the bootstrap image to work first...otherwise no altboot |
| 00:54.41 | Cyorxamp | well bootstrap has altboot |
| 00:54.46 | Cyorxamp | so i'll try flashing that now |
| 00:56.13 | Cyorxamp | i like having collies strune about the place |
| 00:56.20 | Cyorxamp | it's like janeways desk covered in PADDs |
| 00:56.26 | agaffney | hah |
| 00:56.45 | agaffney | except the Collie is more functional than the PADDs :P |
| 00:56.57 | Cyorxamp | ok flashing |
| 00:57.09 | agaffney | I've only ever seen 2 interactive PADDs in all the ST series |
| 00:57.20 | Cyorxamp | agaffney, yeah a bit of cardboard, a bulb and some transparent coloured plastic |
| 00:57.43 | Cyorxamp | i wanna know how they type messages on them |
| 00:57.45 | agaffney | the screen is a bit bigger than the collie's, though ;) |
| 00:57.57 | Cyorxamp | sisko's sun wrote fucking books on them and papers |
| 00:58.03 | Cyorxamp | *son |
| 00:58.03 | agaffney | Cyorxamp: very carefully |
| 00:58.11 | summatusmentis | anyone have a 3200? |
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| 00:58.19 | agaffney | Cyorxamp: Jake |
| 00:58.20 | Cyorxamp | well theres no on-screen keyboard from what i can tell |
| 00:58.24 | agaffney | and he used a stylus |
| 00:58.29 | Cyorxamp | its that black box where the thumb goes |
| 00:58.37 | Cyorxamp | no he didnt! |
| 00:58.54 | Cyorxamp | i swear he doesnt use a stylus |
| 00:59.02 | agaffney | there have been episodes where he was using a stylus |
| 00:59.19 | agaffney | it didn't show him using it, but he had one |
| 00:59.21 | Cyorxamp | well ok maybe that explains it, but in others i swear he doesnt |
| 00:59.38 | agaffney | it's "magic" |
| 00:59.52 | Cyorxamp | ok... oz logo |
| 00:59.55 | agaffney | magical advanced technology that we couldn't possibly comprehend :P |
| 00:59.56 | Cyorxamp | WOOO |
| 01:00.02 | Cyorxamp | altboot wants a password |
| 01:00.19 | agaffney | just enter whatever |
| 01:00.25 | Cyorxamp | CoreDump|afk, your images are now officially proven as FUCKED - (no offense :P, but i like my drama) |
| 01:00.26 | Cyorxamp | sorry! |
| 01:00.37 | agaffney | I think it uses it if you want to password protect an entry |
| 01:00.40 | Cyorxamp | agaffney, yeah I know... you missed like 2 hours of convo here |
| 01:00.45 | Cyorxamp | please dont butt in |
| 01:00.56 | agaffney | heh, ok |
| 01:01.01 | agaffney | I never read scrollback |
| 01:01.20 | Cyorxamp | ok time to raise hell :P |
| 01:01.22 | Cyorxamp | brb |
| 01:01.40 | hvontres|poodle | Cyorxamp: hrw likes to substitute fsck ...:) |
| 01:02.00 | Cyorxamp | reminds me of a webpage i read about how a unix geek has sex |
| 01:02.02 | hvontres|poodle | of course his disk at home was giving him hell too...:) |
| 01:04.20 | Cyorxamp | i might make some random program for the collie called walkies :P |
| 01:04.29 | Cyorxamp | gonna take my two collies for walkies :P |
| 01:04.49 | hvontres|poodle | time to go home now...:) |
| 01:05.00 | Cyorxamp | you? |
| 01:05.06 | Cyorxamp | or me for the bad jokes? |
| 01:05.08 | kantlivelong | wats a good CF wifi carg (b/g) |
| 01:05.17 | hvontres|poodle | yes.. time to leave work :) |
| 01:05.23 | hvontres|poodle | bye |
| 01:05.25 | Cyorxamp | bye |
| 01:05.35 | Cyorxamp | kantlivelong, the one i had.... maaaybe |
| 01:05.52 | kantlivelong | Cyorxamp: WA 1 |
| 01:05.52 | agaffney | kantlivelong: Ambicom WL1100C |
| 01:05.54 | Cyorxamp | D-Link Air DCF-660W worked |
| 01:06.13 | agaffney | the WL1100C is the recommended one |
| 01:06.39 | agaffney | :P |
| 01:06.44 | kantlivelong | agaffney: what chip it use? |
| 01:06.50 | agaffney | prism2 |
| 01:06.52 | agaffney | iirc |
| 01:06.53 | summatusmentis | kantlivelong, you want b and g for a Z? |
| 01:07.00 | kantlivelong | summatusmentis: yeah |
| 01:07.02 | kantlivelong | summatusmentis: y |
| 01:07.04 | agaffney | I think it's only B, though |
| 01:07.17 | summatusmentis | g isn't gonna work, afaik |
| 01:07.22 | kantlivelong | oh ok |
| 01:07.30 | summatusmentis | the throughput on the cf slot doesn't support that kind of speed |
| 01:07.32 | kantlivelong | whats the best i can get for cracking? |
| 01:08.19 | summatusmentis | cracking wep? |
| 01:08.26 | kantlivelong | haha :) im big into cracking wep :) |
| 01:08.27 | summatusmentis | as in, wardriving stuff? |
| 01:08.32 | kantlivelong | summatusmentis: yessir |
| 01:08.49 | summatusmentis | oh wow, I have no idea |
| 01:08.49 | Cyorxamp | i never use wpa/wep all that crap |
| 01:08.55 | Cyorxamp | just register the MAC addresses :P |
| 01:09.07 | agaffney | I know my collie freaks out just when doing scanning in a busy area |
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| 01:09.07 | kantlivelong | Cyorxamp: mac filtering? |
| 01:09.13 | summatusmentis | my friend and I tried to do that at our school once, and we would've succeeded, but we had hardware issues |
| 01:09.18 | Cyorxamp | yeah, can't get past that east ;P |
| 01:09.26 | agaffney | starts slowing down and then "freezes" |
| 01:09.31 | agaffney | ran out of memory :P |
| 01:09.39 | kantlivelong | haha |
| 01:09.47 | kantlivelong | i have an app that floods ESSIDs |
| 01:09.50 | agaffney | there are a *lot* of APs around my apartment |
| 01:09.51 | kantlivelong | its evil.. |
| 01:09.57 | agaffney | I took the collie on a walk |
| 01:10.00 | summatusmentis | my 5500 is really terrible at scanning, but then again, it's terrible at a lot of things, because of hardware constraints |
| 01:10.03 | kantlivelong | agaffney: same here... around 50 |
| 01:10.03 | agaffney | it froze up after ~10 minutes |
| 01:10.23 | kantlivelong | so what card would u guys recommend? |
| 01:11.01 | summatusmentis | My spectrum24 works well |
| 01:11.09 | kantlivelong | summatusmentis: for cracking? |
| 01:11.16 | summatusmentis | although I don't do any of that stuff |
| 01:11.21 | summatusmentis | but for wifi it's solid |
| 01:11.36 | kantlivelong | hmm |
| 01:13.13 | summatusmentis | what kind of stuff do you need? |
| 01:13.59 | kantlivelong | summatusmentis: B and injection support would be nice |
| 01:14.32 | summatusmentis | mmmm.... |
| 01:14.42 | summatusmentis | are you still looking at PCMCIA? |
| 01:15.38 | kantlivelong | summatusmentis: CF is fine |
| 01:16.16 | summatusmentis | when I was looking at purchasing a wifi card, I wasn't looking for injection, just compatability, so I don't really know |
| 01:16.40 | kantlivelong | ah ok |
| 01:17.02 | summatusmentis | but search around |
| 01:17.26 | summatusmentis | the linksys are supposed to work, the symbol spectrum24s work |
| 01:17.39 | Cyorxamp | ok.... ive got further now |
| 01:17.52 | Cyorxamp | ive just put the filesystem on my ext2 SD card |
| 01:17.55 | summatusmentis | I think netgear works(certain models), and the SanDisk wifi/128MB storage works, but only for one of the options |
| 01:17.58 | Cyorxamp | and told altboot to boot the SD |
| 01:18.12 | Cyorxamp | No INIT found on target |
| 01:18.23 | Cyorxamp | No boot-images found in .... blah blah blah |
| 01:18.29 | Cyorxamp | ERROR nothing to do |
| 01:18.35 | Cyorxamp | so what should -I- do ? |
| 01:18.55 | Cyorxamp | should I set the ext2 partition on the SD card as a bootable one? |
| 01:19.25 | agaffney | Cyorxamp: when I did my loopback install on SD, I had to create the loopback with my laptop and a card reader |
| 01:19.43 | agaffney | because I kept getting weird errors when I created it from altboot |
| 01:19.48 | agaffney | I/O errors and such |
| 01:19.56 | agaffney | as loopback or ext2 directly on the card |
| 01:19.58 | Cyorxamp | your talking in riddles |
| 01:20.05 | Cyorxamp | i dont have a fucking clue what you mean |
| 01:20.08 | agaffney | but it worked fine when I created the image with my laptop |
| 01:20.15 | Cyorxamp | yet you continue to talk, i hate you |
| 01:20.24 | agaffney | o_O |
| 01:20.39 | Cyorxamp | i hate everyone, don't take offense by it |
| 01:20.42 | summatusmentis | Cyorxamp, what did you put on your SD? |
| 01:20.53 | Cyorxamp | the contents of hentges-gpe-image-collie_T1-3.5.4.1-rc4-collie.rootfs.tar |
| 01:21.35 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: from linux or windows? |
| 01:21.39 | Cyorxamp | linux |
| 01:21.55 | Cyorxamp | extracted using file-roller |
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| 01:22.48 | Cyorxamp | with the rootfs on the ext2 SD card.... it should boot using altboot - right!? |
| 01:23.54 | agaffney | an image with altboot should be flashed to the internal memory |
| 01:24.09 | Cyorxamp | yeah I have bootstrap flashed on it |
| 01:24.23 | Cyorxamp | i select option 3 on altboot to boot it |
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| 01:26.50 | Cyorxamp | it keeps looking for /media/card/boot-images |
| 01:26.57 | Cyorxamp | but there is no dir called boot-images on my sd card |
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| 01:26.59 | Cyorxamp | only 'boot' |
| 01:27.01 | Cyorxamp | is that the problem? |
| 01:27.05 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: no |
| 01:27.12 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: altboot can also boot a loopback image |
| 01:27.24 | Cyorxamp | well what on earth is wrong with this then?> |
| 01:27.25 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: did you try having altboot create a loopback image on your card? |
| 01:27.36 | kantlivelong | will type 1 CFs work in a type 2 slot? |
| 01:27.40 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: do you have an sbin/init on your card? |
| 01:27.46 | Cyorxamp | JustinP, yeah ages ago and it never bloody works |
| 01:27.46 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: is it executable? |
| 01:27.56 | JustinP | kantlivelong: yes |
| 01:28.05 | kantlivelong | JustinP: ty |
| 01:28.50 | Cyorxamp | hmm is it me or did file-roller copy bugegr all |
| 01:28.56 | Cyorxamp | this is madness |
| 01:30.15 | Cyorxamp | ok... what things need to be executable JustinP? |
| 01:30.28 | Cyorxamp | all i've done is copy the files to the ext2 SD card |
| 01:30.47 | Cyorxamp | ull have to remind me which command to use as well cuz i forgot :P |
| 01:30.53 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: I don't know anything about "file-roller" |
| 01:31.00 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: I suggest you try "tar" |
| 01:31.04 | Cyorxamp | u dont need to... that bit is done |
| 01:31.07 | agaffney | file-roller is the gnome archiving app, iirc |
| 01:31.09 | Cyorxamp | move on... :P |
| 01:31.39 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: I can't just tell you what files need to be executable. It's a *lot* and it's in the tarball. |
| 01:32.02 | Cyorxamp | oh ffs |
| 01:32.56 | Cyorxamp | ok the SD is empty again now |
| 01:33.05 | Cyorxamp | i'll let the zaurus fill it |
| 01:36.27 | agaffney | that's what I was saying before doesn't work right from the latest OZ and hentges images |
| 01:36.37 | agaffney | at least on collie |
| 01:37.04 | agaffney | altboot messes up creating the ext2 filesystem directly on the card and the loopback filesystem |
| 01:37.05 | Cyorxamp | oh ffs thats not working now |
| 01:37.10 | agaffney | you get I/O errors and such |
| 01:37.13 | Cyorxamp | yeah it does |
| 01:37.34 | agaffney | but it worked fine for me when I created my loopback image from my linux laptop using a card reader |
| 01:37.50 | Cyorxamp | well i dont want a loopback image |
| 01:37.54 | Cyorxamp | i want a direct install |
| 01:38.06 | agaffney | you can do a direct install that way, too :P |
| 01:38.06 | Cyorxamp | i dont even know how the fuck the loopback supposed to work |
| 01:38.20 | Cyorxamp | agaffney, are you blind? i've been trying that for hours |
| 01:38.32 | Cyorxamp | JustinP, just told me that i need to have some of them as executables |
| 01:38.39 | agaffney | apparently not correctly ;) |
| 01:38.44 | Cyorxamp | BUT! in magical wisdom doesnt know which ones |
| 01:38.53 | agaffney | if some of them aren't executable, the tarball is messed up or you're extracting it wrong |
| 01:39.02 | agaffney | he didn't say he didn't know |
| 01:39.07 | agaffney | he said there are a *lot* of them |
| 01:39.25 | Cyorxamp | well it extracts fine from file-roller so i dont know why he even mentioned it |
| 01:39.40 | Cyorxamp | look i just want this fucker working |
| 01:39.58 | Cyorxamp | i've been trying for like a month now - this is getting old |
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| 01:40.38 | agaffney | if none of the files are executable, then it's not extracting fine from file roller |
| 01:40.45 | agaffney | use `tar` by hand |
| 01:40.46 | Cyorxamp | well I presume they were! |
| 01:40.57 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: stop presuming and look at it |
| 01:40.58 | Cyorxamp | doesnt matter now the SD is empty again |
| 01:41.09 | Cyorxamp | and direct install failed |
| 01:41.22 | agaffney | yes, I told you it would fail |
| 01:41.31 | agaffney | it failed on mine |
| 01:41.32 | Cyorxamp | well WHY! |
| 01:41.36 | Cyorxamp | WHY does the fucker fail? |
| 01:41.37 | agaffney | and it failed on someone else's collie |
| 01:41.46 | Cyorxamp | ive got 2 collies here and it does the same on both |
| 01:41.57 | agaffney | because there's something subtly broken in the images :P |
| 01:42.09 | agaffney | perhaps it's mke2fs |
| 01:42.12 | agaffney | dunno |
| 01:42.18 | agaffney | I haven't looked too far into it |
| 01:42.49 | Cyorxamp | loopback image making fails too |
| 01:42.49 | Cyorxamp | it just comes back saying FAILED! |
| 01:42.49 | agaffney | yes, I told you that as well |
| 01:42.57 | Cyorxamp | well I have tried both methods - so thats it? |
| 01:43.04 | Cyorxamp | its fucked? never gonna work? is that the idea? |
| 01:43.45 | agaffney | you've already been told how to do it |
| 01:43.52 | Cyorxamp | no i have not |
| 01:43.56 | agaffney | use a regular computer and `tar` |
| 01:44.04 | Cyorxamp | how the hell do u use tar! |
| 01:44.08 | agaffney | ... |
| 01:44.20 | agaffney | man tar |
| 01:44.36 | Cyorxamp | what command does the zaurus try and use? |
| 01:44.49 | agaffney | tar usage is typically considered among basic *nix knowledge |
| 01:45.01 | agaffney | don't piss and moan...learn |
| 01:45.03 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: you have been told numerous times by the very patient agaffney that it works fine if you set up your loopback image on your linux desktop/laptop |
| 01:45.26 | Cyorxamp | tar -xzf source -C destination |
| 01:45.28 | Cyorxamp | right |
| 01:45.34 | agaffney | indeed, I've only tried the loopback method that way |
| 01:45.40 | agaffney | never direct to filesystem |
| 01:45.45 | agaffney | but it shouldn't make a difference |
| 01:46.06 | JustinP | loopback is generally what "we" use anyway, so I would be surprised if non-loopback failed in some strange way |
| 01:46.11 | Cyorxamp | ok well this aint a tar.gz its just the tar |
| 01:46.15 | Cyorxamp | whats the command for that? |
| 01:46.23 | JustinP | get rid of the z |
| 01:46.26 | Cyorxamp | k |
| 01:46.28 | JustinP | again, "man tar" |
| 01:46.34 | JustinP | you can figure this out yourself |
| 01:46.48 | Cyorxamp | ok place ur bets on paypal.com |
| 01:46.50 | agaffney | and why is it just a .tar? |
| 01:46.55 | Cyorxamp | this wont fucking work.... u watch! |
| 01:47.33 | Cyorxamp | I WIN! |
| 01:47.37 | Cyorxamp | pay up! |
| 01:47.49 | Cyorxamp | exactly the same god damn message |
| 01:48.04 | Cyorxamp | theres nothing wrong with file-roller... probably uses fucking tar anyway |
| 01:48.05 | agaffney | where did you get the .tar file? iirc, the file on the mirrors is .tar.gz |
| 01:48.22 | Cyorxamp | i extracted the tar from the .tar.gz using 7zip on windows |
| 01:48.34 | agaffney | ... |
| 01:48.38 | agaffney | why? |
| 01:49.00 | Cyorxamp | because it was downloaded on my windows box and shared via my samba share to my linux box |
| 01:49.10 | Cyorxamp | so while i was there i extracted the tar to share |
| 01:49.11 | agaffney | altboot is failing to create your image because you don't have the proper file |
| 01:49.18 | agaffney | it looks for something named *rootfs.tar.gz |
| 01:49.22 | Cyorxamp | no the .tar.gz is on the CF card |
| 01:49.23 | Cyorxamp | jeez |
| 01:49.23 | agaffney | to create the filesystem |
| 01:49.35 | Cyorxamp | this is just the file I am using to untar on my linux box |
| 01:49.39 | Cyorxamp | get a grip |
| 01:49.40 | agaffney | use the original .tar.gz |
| 01:49.40 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: did you create a *loopback image*? |
| 01:49.54 | Cyorxamp | JustinP, someone has yet to explain what the hell one of those is |
| 01:50.22 | Cyorxamp | ok im mkfs'ing again |
| 01:50.30 | Cyorxamp | then i'll re untar |
| 01:51.03 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: you need to ask to learn. If you continue to act immaturely I doubt you'll get any help at all. |
| 01:51.25 | Cyorxamp | very nice... go cower away from the problem |
| 01:51.37 | agaffney | it's your problem, not mine |
| 01:51.41 | agaffney | my collie works fine |
| 01:51.46 | kantlivelong | ugh can we just kick him |
| 01:51.46 | Cyorxamp | and you don't have a fucking clue |
| 01:52.30 | Cyorxamp | well you don't do you! |
| 01:52.39 | Cyorxamp | we have tried everything asked of me and it still dont work |
| 01:52.45 | kantlivelong | Cyorxamp: you obviously have no clue.. |
| 01:53.30 | kantlivelong | Cyorxamp: ur whining about something as simple as tar.. go RTFM |
| 01:53.38 | Cyorxamp | TAR works fine |
| 01:53.50 | Cyorxamp | EVERYTHING has been done according to INSTRUCTIONS (or lack thereof) |
| 01:54.02 | Cyorxamp | and yet funny isn't it how it still DOES NOT WORK |
| 01:54.14 | kantlivelong | Cyorxamp: then your doing something wrong |
| 01:54.34 | Cyorxamp | no im not... we have been over this a dozen times already |
| 01:54.45 | kantlivelong | Cyorxamp: then give up |
| 01:56.09 | Cyorxamp | ok JustinP, kantlivelong, agaffney.... i have used the .tar.gz this time |
| 01:56.19 | Cyorxamp | who's betting it wont make fuck all difference? |
| 01:56.33 | agaffney | you never know wtf 7zip did to the file |
| 01:56.41 | kantlivelong | Cyorxamp: whos betting i dont care anymore.. |
| 01:56.55 | Cyorxamp | again... nothing |
| 01:57.03 | Cyorxamp | absolutely no difference at all |
| 01:57.14 | Cyorxamp | this is supposed to be an ext2 sd card right? |
| 01:57.22 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: look up loopback images online |
| 01:57.39 | Cyorxamp | JustinP, i don't want a god damn loopback image |
| 01:58.14 | Kevin` | Cyorxamp what are you trying to do |
| 01:58.28 | Cyorxamp | oh no its connection box boy |
| 01:58.38 | Kevin` | connection box? |
| 01:58.52 | Cyorxamp | short memory too? |
| 01:58.52 | agaffney | Cyorxamp: wtf is your problem? |
| 01:59.02 | Kevin` | Cyorxamp Oh |
| 01:59.02 | agaffney | people are just trying to help you and you're just being an ass |
| 01:59.02 | Kevin` | ya |
| 01:59.24 | Cyorxamp | my problem is this room is full of fucking attitude and yet the thing in question doesnt fucking work anyway |
| 01:59.37 | agaffney | the only attitude I see is coming from you |
| 02:00.52 | Kevin` | I never used the sharp rom for more then a few minutes, as I can't read japanese :) |
| 02:01.03 | Cyorxamp | i think i found the issue |
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| 02:01.28 | Cyorxamp | linux's silly antiques as usual |
| 02:01.41 | Cyorxamp | no nm still wont work |
| 02:07.18 | Cyorxamp | ok this is odd, i get different error messages with the CF card taken out |
| 02:08.18 | Cyorxamp | theres I/O errors on usr, lib, gpl.txt.gz, readme.txt, and lost+found |
| 02:08.25 | Cyorxamp | but the rest I am see using LS ok |
| 02:08.45 | Cyorxamp | what the!? |
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| 02:15.28 | Cyorxamp | Note; No INIT [/sbin/init.sysvinit] found on target |
| 02:15.57 | Cyorxamp | Note: No boot-images found in [/media/card/boot-images] |
| 02:16.07 | Cyorxamp | ERROR: Nothing to do! |
| 02:16.33 | Cyorxamp | /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off |
| 02:16.54 | Kevin` | sounds like there's a few files missing |
| 02:16.58 | Kevin` | from your root |
| 02:17.01 | Cyorxamp | they are all there |
| 02:17.03 | Cyorxamp | I have checked |
| 02:17.19 | Cyorxamp | well i checked for /sbin/init.sysvinit |
| 02:17.22 | Cyorxamp | and it's there! |
| 02:21.42 | Cyorxamp | http://pastebin.ca/207565 |
| 02:21.46 | Cyorxamp | that is exactly what I get |
| 02:22.09 | Cyorxamp | the .tar.gz was extracted without error onto the ext2 sd card on my ubuntu box and i unmounted the sd card cleanly |
| 02:23.13 | summatusmentis | Cyorxamp, maybe this is a stupid question, but are you sure you're supposed to extract? |
| 02:23.26 | Cyorxamp | i.e. tar ? |
| 02:23.57 | summatusmentis | yes, are you supposed to extract the files? or leave it as a *.tar.gz? |
| 02:24.38 | Cyorxamp | root@Media:/media/sd/sbin# tar -xzf /mediadisk/hentges-gpe-image-collie_T1-3.5.4.1-rc4-collie.rootfs.tar.gz -C . |
| 02:24.55 | Cyorxamp | thats how it looks on my ubuntu box |
| 02:25.05 | Cyorxamp | and yeah I am pretty sure its supposed to be extracted summatusmentis |
| 02:25.22 | summatusmentis | ok, I'm trying to check the OZ site, but it seems to be down, or something |
| 02:25.23 | joshin | Wow, you guys are patient |
| 02:25.33 | Cyorxamp | so come on them Kevin`, agaffney, JustinP, kantlivelong.... in your perls of wisdom |
| 02:25.36 | Cyorxamp | what the hell is next! |
| 02:25.56 | Kevin` | I don't have much experience with what your doing |
| 02:25.59 | Kevin` | well, I do |
| 02:26.10 | Kevin` | but only if I compile the kernel myself :) |
| 02:26.12 | joshin | such appreciation |
| 02:27.34 | joshin | So why is alt-boot not an acceptable solution? |
| 02:27.52 | Cyorxamp | bollox to this i'll write coredump an email |
| 02:27.59 | summatusmentis | Cyorxamp, http://www.hentges.net/misc/openzaurus/docs/altboot.shtml <-- have you seen that? |
| 02:28.00 | Cyorxamp | joshin, ur not even on the same page it seems |
| 02:28.28 | joshin | Nope, my Zaurus works fine with alt-boot and I no longer suffer corrupted sdcards |
| 02:29.29 | Cyorxamp | summatusmentis, joshin.... I don't want a loopback image |
| 02:29.42 | joshin | Why not? |
| 02:29.45 | Cyorxamp | this is a 'Direct Install' i,e. the filesystem is actually on the SD card |
| 02:30.23 | summatusmentis | right, you want a 'real filesystem' on the SD |
| 02:30.28 | Cyorxamp | yeah |
| 02:30.44 | Cyorxamp | it seems to look for the INIT thingy and says its not there (when it is) |
| 02:30.50 | joshin | Yeah and if you spent 10 seconds googling problems that people had with your 'Direct Install' on Collie, you'd see why people use loopback mounts. |
| 02:30.52 | Cyorxamp | then it looks for the boot-image which isnt there |
| 02:31.00 | Cyorxamp | but its not supposed to me |
| 02:31.01 | Cyorxamp | *be |
| 02:31.07 | summatusmentis | ah, ok |
| 02:31.16 | Cyorxamp | joshin, either help in the task I am trying to accomplish or stfu |
| 02:31.19 | summatusmentis | can I ask why you're against a loopback image? |
| 02:31.34 | JustinP | because he doesn't understand what he's talking about |
| 02:31.41 | Cyorxamp | because I want to treat the SD card a permanent HDD-like for the zaurus |
| 02:31.43 | JustinP | and he doesn't listen |
| 02:31.49 | Cyorxamp | i.e. not to be removed |
| 02:31.59 | joshin | summatusmentis, because he is a pathetic little weasel who's mommy never told him no. |
| 02:32.00 | Cyorxamp | i figure a direct install will be quicker |
| 02:32.36 | Cyorxamp | AND! it an option presented on alt-boot...so i expect it to fucking work |
| 02:33.25 | summatusmentis | I'm gonna assume you have a relatively solid background w/ linux? |
| 02:33.34 | Cyorxamp | not solid but getting there |
| 02:33.43 | Cyorxamp | shoot |
| 02:35.19 | Cyorxamp | /sbin/init.sysvinit DOES exist on the SD card despite what altboot says |
| 02:36.00 | Cyorxamp | im no expert in file attributes here (well on linux anyways) |
| 02:36.07 | Cyorxamp | but on an LS (on my ubuntu box) of the sbin |
| 02:36.19 | Cyorxamp | init shows up as red and init.sysvinit as green |
| 02:36.29 | Cyorxamp | does init.sysvinit need to be red like init? |
| 02:36.57 | joshin | Actually, you need a nice mauve color for it to work. |
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| 02:37.10 | joshin | But if you get pale green, you better run. |
| 02:37.18 | Cyorxamp | joshin, go bug someone else you lowlife |
| 02:37.36 | joshin | Nah, this is too much fun. :) |
| 02:37.36 | Cyorxamp | #reactos is calling for their village idiot |
| 02:39.08 | joshin | Cyorxamp, It is a shame you can neither listen, nor act like a civil human being. If you could, your Zaurus would have been working fine an hour ago. |
| 02:39.21 | Cyorxamp | Bollox would it |
| 02:39.28 | summatusmentis | Cyorxamp, http://www.oesf.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t20444.html |
| 02:39.31 | Cyorxamp | I have tried EVERY little fucking thing anyone has said |
| 02:39.37 | Cyorxamp | joshin, your just a troll... so fuck off |
| 02:39.45 | joshin | Did you try loopback? |
| 02:39.53 | joshin | Did you try to understand the error you got? |
| 02:39.54 | Cyorxamp | NO! Because loopback IS NOT THE GOAL |
| 02:39.57 | Cyorxamp | YOU FUCKTARD |
| 02:40.08 | joshin | Your goal is wrong. |
| 02:40.13 | Cyorxamp | Get fucked |
| 02:40.28 | Kevin` | loopback shouldn't be the goal |
| 02:40.36 | Kevin` | loopback is a hack, and not really what he wants |
| 02:40.41 | Cyorxamp | exactly |
| 02:41.35 | Cyorxamp | lost the will to speak joshin? |
| 02:41.36 | joshin | Kevin`, problem is that the SD driver for Collie is so buggy that using a non-loopback root will cause corruption. |
| 02:41.50 | joshin | Especially if you mount the sd-card async for the best performance. |
| 02:42.09 | Kevin` | how would using loop help that at all |
| 02:42.16 | joshin | Take a look at the IRC logs from about a year ago when MickeyL and I spent days on it. |
| 02:42.32 | Cyorxamp | yeah exactly Kevin` |
| 02:42.50 | joshin | Kevin`, because it is a stupid hack that doesn't hit the sd-driver the same way. |
| 02:42.51 | Kevin` | joshin what happens if you create a loop device from the entire drive? |
| 02:43.08 | Cyorxamp | which is what i'd end up in doing anyway |
| 02:43.11 | Kevin` | losetup /dev/loop0 /dev/mmcwhatever |
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| 02:43.14 | joshin | Kevin`, that works fine. |
| 02:43.17 | Cyorxamp | why have a 512mb sd card if u dont use 512mb of it |
| 02:43.25 | Kevin` | that seems like a usuable solution |
| 02:43.50 | joshin | It is how my Collie is currently setup and I have gcc, mysql, apache, and python on it. |
| 02:43.52 | Cyorxamp | i dont want a damn loopback file |
| 02:44.03 | Kevin` | Cyorxamp why? |
| 02:44.21 | Cyorxamp | i want to be able to happy as larry save files to my / on the zaurus, pop the sd in my linux pc and get at it no hassle |
| 02:44.37 | Kevin` | then create a loop device using the entire sd card, or the partition |
| 02:44.42 | Kevin` | that won't affect how files are stored |
| 02:44.45 | Cyorxamp | a loopback image is just the extra piece of shit |
| 02:44.52 | Cyorxamp | I don't want to have to 'partition' the thing |
| 02:44.53 | Kevin` | (do the partition, not the whole device) |
| 02:44.57 | Kevin` | um |
| 02:45.03 | joshin | "modprobe loopback ; mount -o loop /dev/sd? /mnt/sdcard2" is too hard? |
| 02:45.03 | Kevin` | sd cards are normally partitioned |
| 02:45.09 | Cyorxamp | that means deciding how much for this and that |
| 02:45.09 | Kevin` | windows won't read it if it's not |
| 02:45.40 | Cyorxamp | ive partitioned this one |
| 02:45.40 | Kevin` | why not make it all one partition |
| 02:45.42 | Kevin` | like it probably came from the store |
| 02:45.45 | Cyorxamp | type 83 (linux) mkfs formatted it to ext2 |
| 02:46.14 | Cyorxamp | then I untarred the contents |
| 02:46.22 | Kevin` | Cyorxamp have init make a loop device from /dev/mmc0p1 (or whatever it's called) then mount that |
| 02:46.32 | Cyorxamp | NO! |
| 02:46.32 | Kevin` | that won't change at all how the files are stored on the drive |
| 02:46.35 | Kevin` | why? |
| 02:46.39 | Cyorxamp | I dont want a FUCKING LOOPBACK! |
| 02:46.41 | Kevin` | why? |
| 02:46.46 | Cyorxamp | I have already said whY! |
| 02:46.55 | Kevin` | because you can't use all the space then |
| 02:46.57 | Kevin` | which isn't true |
| 02:47.09 | Cyorxamp | because I'd have to decide how much for each area |
| 02:47.13 | Kevin` | sigh |
| 02:47.18 | Kevin` | no, you DON'T |
| 02:47.22 | Cyorxamp | I WOULD! |
| 02:47.28 | Kevin` | all you would be doing |
| 02:47.29 | Cyorxamp | THE LOOPBACK FILE HAS TO BE OF A CERTAIN SIZE |
| 02:47.38 | Cyorxamp | I.E. 384mb/512mb |
| 02:47.42 | Kevin` | Cyorxamp the loopback file can be a RAW DEVICE |
| 02:47.50 | Kevin` | like the entire sd card, or a partition on it |
| 02:47.59 | Cyorxamp | But then it cant be read on linux! |
| 02:48.10 | Kevin` | that's simply incorrect. |
| 02:48.26 | Cyorxamp | well what the fuck is the difference between that and what im doing now!? |
| 02:48.37 | Kevin` | it won't break the driver? |
| 02:48.38 | Cyorxamp | i cant just pop the fucker in and ubuntu to just mount it can I? |
| 02:48.55 | Kevin` | the only difference it's it's going through another layer as a loop device |
| 02:49.07 | Kevin` | it's normally a useless thing to do, but in this case works with the buggy driver |
| 02:49.13 | Cyorxamp | loopbacks have to be files found at /media/card/boot-images/ |
| 02:49.21 | Kevin` | that is incorrect |
| 02:49.21 | Cyorxamp | i see NO MENTION of ruddy raw shits |
| 02:49.51 | Kevin` | by the way, you can use loopback images in ubuntu too |
| 02:49.53 | Kevin` | it's a linux thing |
| 02:49.55 | Cyorxamp | this is supposed to work as a proper filesystem on ext2 |
| 02:49.56 | Kevin` | not an OZ thing |
| 02:49.58 | Cyorxamp | so I expet it to work |
| 02:50.23 | Kevin` | Cyorxamp if you actually understood what i'm telling you to do you wouldn't be complaining |
| 02:50.24 | Kevin` | :/ |
| 02:50.47 | Cyorxamp | I understand it fine and I don't want to do it that way |
| 02:50.52 | Kevin` | why? |
| 02:50.56 | Cyorxamp | I want what is advetised to WORK |
| 02:51.04 | Kevin` | you think you need to use some special file or format |
| 02:51.10 | Kevin` | and it won't work with normal systems |
| 02:51.12 | Kevin` | that's not true |
| 02:51.18 | Cyorxamp | no i know all that |
| 02:51.23 | Cyorxamp | but i still dont give a flying fuck |
| 02:51.30 | Kevin` | suit yourself, have it not work. |
| 02:51.33 | Cyorxamp | I want it to work the way it was originally advertised in the fucking first place |
| 02:51.59 | Cyorxamp | not spend another 8 fuckin days learning someone else fucked up plan on how to cock this thing up even more |
| 02:52.03 | Kevin` | couldn't he use an old kernel with the original SD driver? |
| 02:52.11 | Cyorxamp | im not changing my direction AGAIN |
| 02:52.27 | joshin | He's stuck at 2.4.18 |
| 02:52.38 | joshin | Anyone that wants the SD card to work is stuck there. |
| 02:53.00 | Kevin` | is that using an oss driver then? |
| 02:53.19 | Cyorxamp | Answer me this simple question.... |
| 02:53.34 | joshin | Until someone figures out how to reverse engineer the sdcard driver for collie, collie is pretty much a dead platform. |
| 02:53.46 | Cyorxamp | I have the file it wants '/sbin/init.sysvinit' on the SD card.... WHY cant it see it? |
| 02:54.16 | Kevin` | Cyorxamp start with init=/bin/sh and try to do the steps to mount the sd card as root yourself |
| 02:54.22 | Kevin` | perhaps the reason will become obvious |
| 02:54.29 | Cyorxamp | it already IS mounted! |
| 02:54.51 | Kevin` | so pivot_root to the sd card and run init |
| 02:55.15 | Cyorxamp | what!? |
| 02:55.19 | Kevin` | :/ |
| 02:55.28 | Cyorxamp | look.... i get... |
| 02:55.29 | Cyorxamp | Note: No INIT [/sbin/init.sysvinit] found on target |
| 02:55.29 | Cyorxamp | Note: No boot-images found in [/media/card/boot-images] |
| 02:55.29 | Cyorxamp | ERROR: Nothing to do! |
| 02:55.29 | Cyorxamp | /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off |
| 02:55.30 | Cyorxamp | /etc/altboot-menu # |
| 02:55.33 | Cyorxamp | then what? |
| 02:55.49 | Kevin` | Cyorxamp cat /proc/mounts |
| 02:56.16 | Cyorxamp | ok i see it mounted in the list |
| 02:56.31 | Kevin` | what all is mounted |
| 02:56.47 | Cyorxamp | ? |
| 02:57.03 | Kevin` | read off the list of filesystems |
| 02:57.20 | Cyorxamp | /dev/mmcda1 /media/card ext2 rw,noatime 0 0 |
| 02:57.41 | Cyorxamp | /dev/root / jffs2 rw 0 0 |
| 02:57.58 | Cyorxamp | /proc /proc proc rw 0 0 |
| 02:58.13 | Cyorxamp | ramfs /dev ramfs rw 0 0 |
| 02:58.16 | joshin | Cyorxamp, alt-boot is a freaking shellscript. You should be able to read it and figure out where it is not working for you. |
| 02:58.28 | Cyorxamp | thats all I get Kevin` |
| 02:58.29 | Kevin` | cd /media/card |
| 02:58.32 | Kevin` | umount /proc |
| 02:58.42 | Cyorxamp | theres nothing in /media/card Kevin` |
| 02:58.46 | Kevin` | Oh |
| 02:58.48 | Kevin` | that's.. odd |
| 02:58.53 | Kevin` | don't do what I said then |
| 02:58.55 | Kevin` | hm |
| 02:58.57 | Cyorxamp | havent |
| 02:59.03 | Kevin` | umount /media/card |
| 02:59.20 | Cyorxamp | done |
| 02:59.22 | Kevin` | mount -o loop /dev/mmcda1 /media/card -t ext2 |
| 02:59.32 | Kevin` | ls /media/card |
| 03:00.03 | Cyorxamp | invalid argyument |
| 03:00.32 | Kevin` | dmesg |
| 03:00.48 | Cyorxamp | the last item says.... unable to read superblock |
| 03:01.14 | Kevin` | losetup /dev/loop0 /dev/mmcda1 |
| 03:01.21 | Kevin` | less /dev/loop0 |
| 03:01.48 | Kevin` | hm, while where at it, do alt+sysrq+9 |
| 03:01.56 | Kevin` | if you know what the sysrq key is.. I don't |
| 03:02.02 | Cyorxamp | i did 'losetup /dev/loop0 /dev/mmcda1' |
| 03:02.11 | Cyorxamp | now what? |
| 03:02.19 | Kevin` | less /dev/loop0 - try to read it |
| 03:02.32 | Cyorxamp | less? |
| 03:02.35 | Cyorxamp | theres no command called less |
| 03:02.52 | Kevin` | dd if=/dev/loop0 count=1|hexdump |
| 03:03.15 | Kevin` | cmon, have some useful commands thing :) |
| 03:03.22 | Cyorxamp | what!? |
| 03:03.29 | Cyorxamp | youve totally lost me |
| 03:03.35 | Cyorxamp | <Cyorxamp> i did 'losetup /dev/loop0 /dev/mmcda1' |
| 03:03.35 | Cyorxamp | <Cyorxamp> now what? |
| 03:03.45 | Kevin` | all I want to do is read from /dev/loop0 |
| 03:03.53 | Cyorxamp | thats nice but what do I type? |
| 03:03.54 | Kevin` | if you feel brave you could just cat /dev/loop0 |
| 03:04.05 | Kevin` | this will mess up the terminal, and stop when you press ctrl+c |
| 03:04.14 | Kevin` | (if it works, that is) |
| 03:04.25 | Cyorxamp | cat returns nothing |
| 03:04.33 | Kevin` | dmesg again |
| 03:04.45 | Cyorxamp | unknown partition table |
| 03:05.00 | Kevin` | echo /dev/mmcd* |
| 03:05.07 | Kevin` | what's the name of the full device |
| 03:05.32 | Cyorxamp | well theres /dev/mmcda /dev/mmcda1 and /dev/mmcda2 |
| 03:05.32 | Kevin` | oh, and do you have the device partitioned? |
| 03:05.42 | Kevin` | the sd card |
| 03:05.42 | Cyorxamp | i paritioned it using fdisk on linux |
| 03:05.44 | Kevin` | ok |
| 03:05.53 | Cyorxamp | 1 primary parition... type 83 |
| 03:05.53 | Kevin` | hexdump </dev/mmcda |
| 03:06.00 | Cyorxamp | then i did a mkfs -t ext2 |
| 03:06.11 | Kevin` | mkfs -t ext2 what? |
| 03:06.20 | Cyorxamp | /dev/sda1 |
| 03:06.23 | Kevin` | k |
| 03:06.49 | Kevin` | someone who knows how to get.. anything working on this silly driver, help would be appreciated :) |
| 03:06.53 | Cyorxamp | ok hexdump has alot of shit |
| 03:07.10 | Cyorxamp | it just keeps coming and coming |
| 03:07.15 | Kevin` | and the same from mmcda1 returns nothing? |
| 03:07.20 | Kevin` | press ctrl+c to stop it |
| 03:07.31 | Cyorxamp | there is no ctrl |
| 03:07.47 | Kevin` | what key is mapped to the control key on collie? |
| 03:07.56 | Cyorxamp | i dunno! |
| 03:08.25 | Kevin` | i'm asking the channel |
| 03:08.46 | Cyorxamp | well while were waiting, du think were getting anywhere? |
| 03:08.58 | Kevin` | well that it can read the device at all is a good thing |
| 03:09.10 | Cyorxamp | and this mess means it can |
| 03:09.17 | Kevin` | yes |
| 03:09.20 | summatusmentis | Kevin`, I think it's the calendar key |
| 03:09.22 | Cyorxamp | should I not have used fdisk to partition it? |
| 03:09.34 | Cyorxamp | tried that summatusmentis |
| 03:09.37 | Kevin` | Cyorxamp it's standard to do that.. I would have in your place too |
| 03:10.00 | Kevin` | Cyorxamp although there's technically no reason you HAVE to partition it |
| 03:10.06 | Cyorxamp | Kevin`, actually I used fdisk in the beginning but I think i used cfdisk for this one |
| 03:10.10 | Kevin` | if it works without partitioning, I wouldn't complain |
| 03:10.11 | Cyorxamp | but cfdisk uses fdisk anyway i trhink |
| 03:10.33 | Cyorxamp | so should I mkfs on /dev/sda instead of sda1 ? |
| 03:10.40 | summatusmentis | Cyorxamp, worked for me |
| 03:10.52 | Kevin` | Cyorxamp worth a try |
| 03:11.02 | Cyorxamp | ok... will give it a go |
| 03:11.04 | Kevin` | but keep in mind, everything expects it to be partitioned :) |
| 03:11.12 | Kevin` | in linux you won't have much of a problem though |
| 03:11.21 | Cyorxamp | well what will i have an issue with? |
| 03:11.36 | Kevin` | windows, and any automounting scripts in linux maybe |
| 03:11.40 | Cyorxamp | i mean windows/dos cant read ext2 anyways |
| 03:11.55 | Kevin` | you can get drivers to do that |
| 03:11.56 | Kevin` | in windows |
| 03:12.07 | Cyorxamp | yeah i already use ext2fsd but thats for hdd's |
| 03:12.16 | Cyorxamp | cant find anything for card readers |
| 03:12.18 | Kevin` | it doesn't work for sd? |
| 03:12.23 | Kevin` | should tell the author |
| 03:12.36 | Cyorxamp | nah u have to state which primary/logical parition on ur hd |
| 03:12.44 | Cyorxamp | its not a bug... just not a feature |
| 03:12.55 | Cyorxamp | windows has no /dev remember? |
| 03:12.57 | Kevin` | it's a bug imo if it doesn't read usb devices |
| 03:13.08 | Cyorxamp | theres no way to reference it |
| 03:13.15 | Kevin` | yes there is |
| 03:13.23 | Cyorxamp | well not from I can tell |
| 03:13.31 | Cyorxamp | anyways it off topic |
| 03:13.35 | Kevin` | oh, it's not obvious, but it's there |
| 03:13.43 | Cyorxamp | should I mkfs the whole thing then and untar again? |
| 03:13.54 | Kevin` | Cyorxamp worth a try.. |
| 03:14.05 | Cyorxamp | ok, what were u gonna try if i dont try that? |
| 03:14.15 | Cyorxamp | i.e. where were u going - after the hexdump |
| 03:14.23 | Cyorxamp | which is still dumping as we speak |
| 03:14.24 | Kevin` | was going to try the same thing on the partition |
| 03:14.41 | Kevin` | heh just unplug it, the worst it will do is crash the device |
| 03:15.15 | Cyorxamp | :( |
| 03:15.29 | Cyorxamp | i wanna know where ctrl is! |
| 03:15.36 | Cyorxamp | calander+c doesn't work |
| 03:15.36 | Kevin` | so do I |
| 03:16.10 | Cyorxamp | ok shall i reboot into altboot again? |
| 03:16.16 | Cyorxamp | and we can hexdump the other thing? |
| 03:16.20 | Kevin` | boot into init=/bin/sh |
| 03:16.58 | Cyorxamp | done |
| 03:17.17 | Kevin` | ya go ahead and see if you can read the partition the same way |
| 03:17.31 | Cyorxamp | mount it? |
| 03:17.35 | Kevin` | no |
| 03:17.39 | Cyorxamp | cuz theres nothing in /media/card |
| 03:17.52 | Kevin` | do hexdump </dev/mmcda1 |
| 03:18.13 | Kevin` | I suppose if nobody knows what the ctrl key is, also nobody knows what the sysrq key for collie is? |
| 03:18.14 | Cyorxamp | ok lots of shit |
| 03:18.36 | Cyorxamp | now what? |
| 03:18.38 | Cyorxamp | reboot again? |
| 03:19.31 | Cyorxamp | maybe its summat altboot cant do but normal linux can |
| 03:19.48 | Kevin` | you are using linux |
| 03:19.54 | Cyorxamp | ok ignore me then :S |
| 03:19.58 | Cyorxamp | now what? |
| 03:20.12 | Kevin` | losetup /dev/loop0 /dev/mmcda1 |
| 03:20.17 | Cyorxamp | reboot? |
| 03:20.17 | Kevin` | hexdump </dev/loop0 |
| 03:20.33 | Kevin` | well if you can't stop the command, yes |
| 03:20.37 | Cyorxamp | ok |
| 03:21.19 | Cyorxamp | mmcda1 no such device |
| 03:21.27 | Cyorxamp | on the losetup bit |
| 03:21.40 | Kevin` | odd, isn't that what you just used before? |
| 03:21.54 | Cyorxamp | i didnt do losetup before |
| 03:21.57 | Cyorxamp | just hexdump |
| 03:22.07 | Kevin` | yes, but mmcda1 obviously exists.. |
| 03:22.14 | Cyorxamp | want me do hexdump </dev/mmcda1 again? |
| 03:22.29 | Kevin` | if you want, doubt the outcome will be different |
| 03:22.50 | Kevin` | sure go ahead |
| 03:22.52 | Cyorxamp | no such device |
| 03:22.59 | Kevin` | dmesg |
| 03:23.13 | Cyorxamp | unable to open an inital console |
| 03:23.25 | Kevin` | cat /proc/kmsg |
| 03:23.28 | Kevin` | :/ |
| 03:23.42 | Cyorxamp | same thing |
| 03:23.51 | Kevin` | unable to open initial console? |
| 03:23.53 | Cyorxamp | but i cant get out of it |
| 03:23.55 | Cyorxamp | yeah |
| 03:24.06 | Kevin` | oh ya, kmsg is a loop.. |
| 03:24.13 | Cyorxamp | before that it sez freeing init memory 80k |
| 03:24.20 | Kevin` | I bet "unable to open initial console" was the message |
| 03:24.22 | Kevin` | heh |
| 03:24.32 | Kevin` | Anyway |
| 03:24.35 | Cyorxamp | 'open AN initial console' |
| 03:24.41 | Kevin` | I would try to format the entire sd card |
| 03:25.07 | Cyorxamp | well IMO it looks like it can read the SD |
| 03:25.15 | Cyorxamp | but doesnt understand the partition |
| 03:25.26 | Kevin` | uhuh |
| 03:25.30 | Cyorxamp | why is that? |
| 03:25.36 | Kevin` | dunno |
| 03:25.43 | Cyorxamp | ok well ill mkfs /dev/sda now |
| 03:26.40 | Cyorxamp | done... untarring |
| 03:28.02 | Cyorxamp | booting.. |
| 03:28.41 | Kevin` | when booted, cat /proc/mounts.. just list the mount points, not the devices |
| 03:28.45 | Cyorxamp | ok new error |
| 03:28.54 | Kevin` | which option did you try |
| 03:28.59 | Cyorxamp | 3 |
| 03:29.04 | Kevin` | which is? heh |
| 03:29.05 | Cyorxamp | i.e. Boot from SD card |
| 03:29.27 | Kevin` | doubt it understands an unpartitioned drive |
| 03:29.28 | Kevin` | but |
| 03:29.31 | Kevin` | what's the error |
| 03:29.43 | Cyorxamp | Mounting /media/card...ERROR: /bin/mount -t auto -o defaults,noatime /dev/mmcda1 /media/card failed |
| 03:29.50 | Kevin` | ok yeah |
| 03:29.52 | Cyorxamp | i take it its thinking theres gotta be a partition |
| 03:29.54 | Kevin` | boot with init=/bin/sh |
| 03:30.09 | Cyorxamp | ok |
| 03:30.17 | Cyorxamp | im in |
| 03:30.31 | Kevin` | what filesystems are listed in /proc/mounts |
| 03:30.56 | Cyorxamp | root, proc and ramfs |
| 03:31.23 | Kevin` | mount /dev/mmcda /media/card -o defaults,noatime,async |
| 03:32.13 | Cyorxamp | no such device or address |
| 03:32.41 | Kevin` | mount /dev/mmcda /media/card -o loop,defaults,noatime,async |
| 03:33.06 | Cyorxamp | no such device or address |
| 03:33.13 | Cyorxamp | could not setup loop device |
| 03:33.14 | Kevin` | hexdump </dev/mmcda |
| 03:33.33 | Cyorxamp | no such device or address |
| 03:33.38 | Kevin` | wtf? :) |
| 03:33.54 | Kevin` | dmesg, looking for sd/mmc mentions |
| 03:34.19 | Cyorxamp | cant see anything |
| 03:34.46 | Kevin` | you booted the same as when it did work, yes? |
| 03:34.54 | Cyorxamp | option 7 |
| 03:35.01 | Cyorxamp | 'init=/bin/sh' |
| 03:35.12 | Kevin` | is that what you did when hexdump </dev/mmcda worked? |
| 03:35.16 | Cyorxamp | yeah |
| 03:35.17 | Cyorxamp | shall I reboot and try again? |
| 03:35.24 | Kevin` | sure :/ |
| 03:36.13 | Cyorxamp | hexdump says the same thing |
| 03:36.36 | Cyorxamp | i take it... without a partition... OZ doesnt think theres anything at all there? |
| 03:36.40 | Kevin` | ok then, |
| 03:36.51 | Kevin` | partition the drive, however you want, but do NOT format it |
| 03:36.56 | Cyorxamp | ok |
| 03:37.02 | Cyorxamp | well u tell me how to parition it |
| 03:37.06 | Cyorxamp | just to be on safe side |
| 03:37.11 | Kevin` | one primary partition |
| 03:37.20 | Cyorxamp | type 83 ? |
| 03:37.22 | Kevin` | whatever you do don't use extended partitions |
| 03:37.27 | Kevin` | do what you did before |
| 03:37.34 | Cyorxamp | yeah that is what I did before |
| 03:37.39 | Cyorxamp | type 83 is Linux |
| 03:37.57 | Kevin` | the partitions themselves don't matter, I just want it to have a partition table |
| 03:38.10 | Kevin` | since the partition table shouldn't effect the existing filesystem |
| 03:38.22 | Cyorxamp | done |
| 03:38.33 | Cyorxamp | try booting using option 3 again? |
| 03:38.44 | Kevin` | no, it won't work |
| 03:38.44 | Cyorxamp | k |
| 03:38.45 | Kevin` | boot with init=/bin/sh |
| 03:38.47 | Cyorxamp | k |
| 03:38.51 | Kevin` | and hexdump </dev/mmcda |
| 03:39.35 | Cyorxamp | no such device |
| 03:39.45 | *** join/#openzaurus qwerty (n=favorite@216.186.222.19) |
| 03:39.47 | Kevin` | now that doesn't make sense |
| 03:40.17 | Kevin` | your computer is behaving inconsistantly :( |
| 03:40.42 | Cyorxamp | the zaurus? |
| 03:40.45 | Kevin` | yes |
| 03:40.50 | Cyorxamp | well :S |
| 03:40.52 | Cyorxamp | i dunno! |
| 03:41.10 | Cyorxamp | the sd card is in it |
| 03:41.25 | Kevin` | perhaps someone else here who has used this platform has any ideas? |
| 03:41.42 | Cyorxamp | i'll reflash |
| 03:41.51 | Cyorxamp | maybe altboot has been b0rked |
| 03:42.03 | Kevin` | I don't see how it would be, but.. ok |
| 03:42.12 | Cyorxamp | and ill pop the sd back in my pc and check fdisk still says theres a part |
| 03:42.36 | Cyorxamp | ah! i didnt write |
| 03:42.56 | Kevin` | heh |
| 03:43.07 | Kevin` | try it again now |
| 03:43.42 | Cyorxamp | which command? |
| 03:43.50 | Kevin` | hexdump </dev/mmcda |
| 03:43.56 | Kevin` | well wait |
| 03:44.07 | Kevin` | eh, just do that |
| 03:44.07 | Cyorxamp | ok |
| 03:44.12 | Kevin` | might as well be consistant |
| 03:44.12 | Cyorxamp | no such device |
| 03:45.00 | Cyorxamp | mmcda1 says the same |
| 03:45.29 | Kevin` | I don't get it. |
| 03:45.31 | Cyorxamp | just checked with my linux pc, and the partition is there |
| 03:45.36 | Cyorxamp | maybe it needs to be formatted |
| 03:45.40 | Cyorxamp | then it will see it |
| 03:45.45 | Cyorxamp | shall I mkfs? |
| 03:45.54 | Kevin` | well that would destroy the partition that's on the entire disk |
| 03:46.03 | Kevin` | and we'd be back to where you were before |
| 03:46.19 | Cyorxamp | yeah but at least wed rule out a random error with the zaurus :P |
| 03:46.23 | Kevin` | k |
| 03:47.11 | Cyorxamp | rebooting zaurus |
| 03:48.05 | Cyorxamp | no such device |
| 03:48.16 | Cyorxamp | ill reflash |
| 03:49.03 | Cyorxamp | reflashing... |
| 03:49.15 | Kevin` | wonder if you could get a combo cf storage+wifi card |
| 03:49.40 | Cyorxamp | would be nice |
| 03:49.52 | Cyorxamp | its 4:49am here |
| 03:50.02 | Cyorxamp | i'm not giving up till its working |
| 03:51.15 | Cyorxamp | ok booting.... |
| 03:52.17 | Cyorxamp | no such device |
| 03:52.38 | Cyorxamp | "hexdump </dev/mmcda" |
| 03:52.58 | Kevin` | odd. |
| 03:53.15 | Cyorxamp | ill try mounting it normally in linux |
| 03:53.31 | Cyorxamp | works |
| 03:53.43 | Cyorxamp | if the SD reader on the collie is bust then I have a replacement |
| 03:54.01 | agaffney | Kevin`: the combo cards aren't well supported (if at all) |
| 03:54.06 | Cyorxamp | but before jumping to that conclusion, anything else u can think of? |
| 03:54.35 | Kevin` | Cyorxamp since we did the exact same thing as before, and it worked once, but didn't work now, no |
| 03:54.46 | Kevin` | I doubt it would just break though |
| 03:55.00 | Cyorxamp | i have absolutely inexplicable things |
| 03:55.03 | Cyorxamp | *hate |
| 03:56.12 | Cyorxamp | i see mmcda and mmcda1 and mmcda2 in /dev |
| 03:57.12 | Cyorxamp | ok Kevin`, what if that 'format the whole device' thing fucked it? |
| 03:57.30 | Cyorxamp | anyway I can totally 'blank' the SD card without need for partition tables? |
| 03:57.37 | Kevin` | yes |
| 03:57.39 | Cyorxamp | and start a fresh |
| 03:57.45 | Cyorxamp | ok how |
| 03:57.51 | Kevin` | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M |
| 03:58.04 | Cyorxamp | thats what i type into my linux terminal? |
| 03:58.12 | Kevin` | then partition, then format, then extract.. |
| 03:58.14 | Kevin` | yes |
| 03:58.22 | Kevin` | assuming sda is the sd card! |
| 03:58.30 | Kevin` | not your sata hard drive or something :) |
| 03:58.34 | Cyorxamp | ok and it will effectlive 00000 all 512mb of it? |
| 03:58.37 | Kevin` | yes |
| 04:01.57 | Cyorxamp | ok that seems to be taking its time |
| 04:02.12 | Cyorxamp | but i can tell by the card reader activity light its doing it |
| 04:03.36 | Cyorxamp | Kevin`: i suspect alof the wifi circuitry can be put in the buldge part of at the top with the aerial |
| 04:03.45 | Cyorxamp | leaving the rest for a normal CF card |
| 04:04.17 | Kevin` | how would you connect it to the cpy |
| 04:04.19 | Kevin` | cpu* |
| 04:04.39 | Cyorxamp | i dunno |
| 04:04.49 | Cyorxamp | i've never heard of a CF hub |
| 04:04.51 | Kevin` | that's the first question, not where to put it :) |
| 04:05.14 | Cyorxamp | effectively 3 CF devices... the hub, the CF card, the wifi |
| 04:05.50 | Cyorxamp | god this 'dd-ing' takes its time |
| 04:06.12 | Kevin` | you did bs=1M right? or some other large number |
| 04:06.38 | Cyorxamp | i did what you typed |
| 04:06.50 | Cyorxamp | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M |
| 04:06.55 | Kevin` | ok |
| 04:06.59 | Cyorxamp | done! |
| 04:07.09 | Cyorxamp | Segmentation fault |
| 04:07.13 | Kevin` | O_o |
| 04:07.14 | Kevin` | dmesg |
| 04:07.31 | Kevin` | dd should NOT segfault |
| 04:07.34 | Cyorxamp | i think its normal |
| 04:07.44 | Cyorxamp | it basically got to the end of what it could write to |
| 04:07.53 | Cyorxamp | said it occurred at 515mb |
| 04:07.57 | Kevin` | that would not cause it to crash |
| 04:07.58 | Cyorxamp | and its a 512mb card |
| 04:08.18 | Kevin` | well whatever, as long as it did it's work |
| 04:08.20 | Cyorxamp | shall I make partions |
| 04:08.27 | Kevin` | uhuh |
| 04:09.36 | Cyorxamp | formatting.. |
| 04:10.25 | Cyorxamp | the error before may have been cuz it was mounted |
| 04:10.45 | Cyorxamp | untarring... |
| 04:11.46 | Cyorxamp | rebooting Z |
| 04:12.40 | Cyorxamp | no such devide |
| 04:12.43 | Cyorxamp | *device |
| 04:13.17 | Cyorxamp | and yet its perfectly mountable on linux |
| 04:13.39 | Cyorxamp | ok... hypathetical question Kevin` |
| 04:13.56 | Cyorxamp | if I was to sell this 512mb (most people use them for cameras and fat16 anyways) on eBay |
| 04:14.08 | Cyorxamp | and get a new one... which make would be the best for this purpose? |
| 04:14.23 | Kevin` | I don't know |
| 04:14.39 | Cyorxamp | should I dd while its not mounted and try again? |
| 04:14.45 | Kevin` | they should all behave the same in mmc mode.. i've never heard of any problems of that sort |
| 04:14.58 | Kevin` | I doubt it will make a difference |
| 04:15.12 | Cyorxamp | well im trying anyways |
| 04:15.13 | Kevin` | there's something wrong with OZ or the hardware |
| 04:15.18 | Kevin` | imo |
| 04:15.37 | Cyorxamp | this only occurred after the 'format whole disk' thing |
| 04:15.44 | Cyorxamp | before that it was fine |
| 04:15.52 | Kevin` | ok, ok, go test it :) |
| 04:16.01 | Cyorxamp | go test it? |
| 04:16.16 | Cyorxamp | u mean do dd again? |
| 04:16.32 | Kevin` | yes |
| 04:16.54 | Cyorxamp | im not used to all this mount and unmount stuff normally |
| 04:16.57 | Cyorxamp | it sure is a pain |
| 04:17.19 | Kevin` | well there's no way to tell when a usb (or sd) card is about to be removes |
| 04:17.23 | Cyorxamp | the most advanced stuff in filesystems id done up to this share was getting /MediaDisk to be my windows share from my other pc |
| 04:17.28 | Kevin` | so unmounting is needed on any os |
| 04:17.53 | Cyorxamp | Kevin`, nonsense.... i noticed when I 'untarred' it didnt actually write to the disk |
| 04:17.58 | Cyorxamp | it only does that upon unmount |
| 04:18.04 | Cyorxamp | which is just plain silly |
| 04:18.12 | Kevin` | it's done for performance reasons |
| 04:18.22 | Kevin` | and helps to avoid damaging the flash chip |
| 04:18.22 | Cyorxamp | well its stupid IMO |
| 04:18.30 | Kevin` | it's not stupid, IMO |
| 04:19.08 | Cyorxamp | it explains why OH so many dozens of times I have been frustrated trying to put the odd text file on a floppy from a linux box and finding theres no files on it at the other end |
| 04:19.26 | Kevin` | you really should unmount it on windows too |
| 04:19.36 | Cyorxamp | unmount a floppy? |
| 04:19.58 | Kevin` | well not a floppy, since there's no option for that and it does it immediately |
| 04:20.00 | Kevin` | usb devices |
| 04:20.12 | Cyorxamp | u just whack em in and out |
| 04:20.40 | Kevin` | that has the possibility of causing filesystem corruption if there is still something bieng done to the drive |
| 04:20.50 | Cyorxamp | however if theres an option i may consider it - might save me from having to rebuild thunderbirds address book after OH so many times its got corrupted |
| 04:21.19 | Cyorxamp | u close thunderbird, then take ur USB pen stick out (with the thunderbird profiles dir on it) and then find out thunderbird (although closed) didnt finish writing to it |
| 04:21.27 | Cyorxamp | thunderbird is retarded |
| 04:21.40 | Kevin` | there's a little icon on the taskbar, 'remove device' |
| 04:21.51 | Cyorxamp | yeah I ignore it :P |
| 04:22.22 | Cyorxamp | quite possibly I wont be now :P |
| 04:22.28 | Kevin` | :) |
| 04:22.40 | Cyorxamp | yey its done! |
| 04:22.45 | Cyorxamp | paritioning time! |
| 04:22.55 | Cyorxamp | i got segmentation fault again btw |
| 04:23.06 | Kevin` | stupid ubuntu |
| 04:25.30 | Cyorxamp | mkfs'ing .. |
| 04:25.32 | Cyorxamp | untarring/umounting |
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| 04:25.33 | Cyorxamp | because they are so retarded they are one and the same |
| 04:25.41 | Cyorxamp | rebooting Z |
| 04:26.29 | Cyorxamp | IT WORKS! |
| 04:26.40 | Kevin` | hm, that's good |
| 04:26.41 | Cyorxamp | ok... everyone back on the diagnosis train! |
| 04:27.02 | Cyorxamp | rebooting.. |
| 04:27.05 | Kevin` | formatted on the partition? |
| 04:27.14 | Cyorxamp | yeah |
| 04:27.16 | Kevin` | k |
| 04:27.19 | Cyorxamp | and untarred the system files |
| 04:27.19 | Kevin` | init=/bin/sh |
| 04:27.23 | Cyorxamp | already in |
| 04:27.41 | Kevin` | mount /dev/mmcda1 /media/card -o noatime,async |
| 04:28.16 | Cyorxamp | no such device |
| 04:28.20 | Cyorxamp | :P |
| 04:28.28 | Kevin` | hexdump </dev/mmcda1 |
| 04:28.49 | Cyorxamp | no such device |
| 04:29.00 | Kevin` | dd if=/dev/mmcda count=1 |hexdump |
| 04:29.05 | Cyorxamp | if i go on option 3 'Boot SD card' and let it fail me to the command prompt |
| 04:29.08 | Cyorxamp | then hexdump works |
| 04:29.15 | Kevin` | odd, but ok |
| 04:29.16 | Kevin` | do so |
| 04:29.27 | Cyorxamp | shut i reboot into option 3? |
| 04:29.30 | Kevin` | yes |
| 04:29.30 | Cyorxamp | *shud |
| 04:29.33 | Cyorxamp | ok |
| 04:30.13 | Cyorxamp | well |
| 04:30.15 | Cyorxamp | i say it works... |
| 04:30.24 | Kevin` | mount -o loop,async,noatime /dev/mmcda1 /media/card |
| 04:30.25 | Cyorxamp | its showing me the crap as usual |
| 04:30.33 | Cyorxamp | but its shows it me very slowely |
| 04:30.40 | Cyorxamp | like its page by page |
| 04:30.52 | Cyorxamp | ill reboot and try ur mount command |
| 04:31.33 | Kevin` | hey, someone made an accellerated mplayer for sl-c3200 |
| 04:32.02 | Cyorxamp | invalid argument |
| 04:32.11 | Kevin` | dmesg |
| 04:32.28 | Cyorxamp | attempt to mount non-NTD |
| 04:32.49 | Kevin` | eh? before that? |
| 04:33.11 | Cyorxamp | <Kevin`> mount /dev/mmcda /media/card -o loop,defaults,noatime,async |
| 04:33.19 | Cyorxamp | do u mean that? |
| 04:33.28 | Kevin` | mount -t ext2 -o loop,async,noatime /dev/mmcda1 /media/card |
| 04:33.48 | Cyorxamp | why have u reversed the order of the arguments? |
| 04:34.04 | Kevin` | because the order doesn't matter |
| 04:35.20 | Cyorxamp | invalid argyument |
| 04:35.48 | Kevin` | dmesg shows? |
| 04:36.05 | Cyorxamp | cant find ext2 on dev loop |
| 04:36.45 | Kevin` | try it without loop |
| 04:37.16 | Cyorxamp | invalid argyment |
| 04:37.48 | Cyorxamp | cant find ext2 on device mmcd |
| 04:38.53 | JustinP | http://pear.reversefold.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=zaurus:loopbackimages |
| 04:38.58 | JustinP | and good luck to you |
| 04:39.16 | Cyorxamp | Can't you just give it a rest? |
| 04:39.55 | Kevin` | JustinP that would work if he could mount /media/card |
| 04:40.32 | Kevin` | (and, at that time, wouldn't be useful) |
| 04:40.48 | Cyorxamp | next step? |
| 04:40.51 | JustinP | ah, well, sounds like he's royally fubared his card, then. I suggest he format it FAT and use a loopback image, as described above. |
| 04:41.13 | Cyorxamp | JustinP, the card works fine on my linux box |
| 04:42.16 | Cyorxamp | Kevin`, i'm gonna turn it into a fat card again... give it windows - use a program I know for wiping it... then give it back to linux |
| 04:43.06 | Kevin` | Cyorxamp the wiping you did was thorough |
| 04:43.19 | Cyorxamp | well i wanna try another proggy |
| 04:43.29 | Kevin` | whatever.. |
| 04:43.31 | Cyorxamp | plus in the middle of it I can test if it will mount fat32 ok |
| 04:43.36 | Cyorxamp | should i do 32 or 16? |
| 04:43.43 | Kevin` | 32 |
| 04:44.09 | Kevin` | I suppose 16 should work though |
| 04:44.12 | Cyorxamp | ok disk management has done it |
| 04:44.22 | Cyorxamp | shall i try mounting it on the Z? |
| 04:44.38 | Kevin` | if you want |
| 04:44.39 | Cyorxamp | worked |
| 04:44.53 | Cyorxamp | the mount command worked |
| 04:45.02 | Kevin` | I wonder why ext2 is not working |
| 04:45.14 | Cyorxamp | ok now I know that works... shall i delete the fat32 part off it in windows |
| 04:45.22 | Cyorxamp | then use fdisk in linux to make the ext3 one again |
| 04:45.35 | Kevin` | I don't know :) |
| 04:45.40 | Cyorxamp | maybe its that segmentation fault |
| 04:45.43 | Cyorxamp | but this is a neat way around it |
| 04:45.48 | Cyorxamp | windows has done the formatting itself |
| 04:46.56 | Cyorxamp | this is odd... windows wont let me delete the fat32 partition |
| 04:47.03 | Cyorxamp | i can make/remove files off it tho |
| 04:47.11 | Kevin` | don't delete the partition |
| 04:47.13 | Cyorxamp | ok |
| 04:47.17 | Cyorxamp | do that in linux? |
| 04:47.23 | Kevin` | that could have been the problem, that it was created wrongly |
| 04:47.27 | Kevin` | leave the partition, |
| 04:47.29 | Cyorxamp | ok |
| 04:47.30 | Kevin` | just format it ext2 |
| 04:47.40 | Cyorxamp | so just do mkfs now? |
| 04:47.48 | Kevin` | yes |
| 04:48.19 | Cyorxamp | done, untarring.. |
| 04:49.24 | Cyorxamp | booting using option 3 |
| 04:49.28 | Cyorxamp | ... |
| 04:49.55 | Cyorxamp | ok same error as usual |
| 04:50.00 | Cyorxamp | shal I go into option 7? |
| 04:50.13 | Kevin` | just try to mount it like you did last time |
| 04:50.14 | Kevin` | when it worked |
| 04:50.25 | Cyorxamp | <Kevin`> mount -t ext2 -o loop,async,noatime /dev/mmcda1 /media/card |
| 04:50.26 | Cyorxamp | ? |
| 04:50.31 | Kevin` | no |
| 04:50.36 | Kevin` | what command did you type that worked |
| 04:50.44 | Cyorxamp | same thing but without the -t ext2 |
| 04:50.48 | Kevin` | then do that |
| 04:51.34 | Cyorxamp | invalid argumnt |
| 04:51.56 | Kevin` | mke2fs /dev/mmcda1 |
| 04:52.22 | Cyorxamp | working.. |
| 04:53.26 | Cyorxamp | jus sez writing superblocks and fs accounting info |
| 04:53.45 | Cyorxamp | infact i remember it hanging at this stage about a month ago when I was trying it the 'prescribed' way |
| 04:53.45 | Kevin` | let it do it's thing |
| 04:54.05 | Cyorxamp | £20 says it wont snap out of it :P |
| 04:54.11 | Kevin` | heh |
| 04:54.30 | Cyorxamp | or $20 or €20 ... whatever! |
| 04:55.44 | Kevin` | I suppose it's possible |
| 04:56.11 | Cyorxamp | i have another collie I can try this on |
| 04:56.26 | Cyorxamp | infact ill flash it with the bootstrap same as this while i wait to win the bet |
| 04:57.41 | Cyorxamp | if this sd card wont format on 2 collies... but will format on PC.... what will that tell you? |
| 04:58.12 | Kevin` | your pc has a better sd card reader, or driver |
| 04:58.24 | Cyorxamp | i cant believe after over 4 horus of working on this we have got to the same issue i got 1 month ago |
| 04:58.24 | Kevin` | or it's very slow :) |
| 04:58.28 | Cyorxamp | what started it all off |
| 04:58.39 | Cyorxamp | yeah well i remember giving it a few hours the last time |
| 04:59.22 | Cyorxamp | shall i give up and try it on the other collie? |
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| 04:59.46 | Kevin` | i'd let it sit there and try it on the other collie |
| 05:00.13 | Cyorxamp | theres only 1 SD card you know :P |
| 05:00.27 | Kevin` | Oh |
| 05:00.41 | Kevin` | take it out while it's still formatting |
| 05:00.45 | Kevin` | and see what it does |
| 05:00.58 | Cyorxamp | its said nothing |
| 05:01.05 | Kevin` | ctrl+c? |
| 05:01.07 | Cyorxamp | oh no |
| 05:01.08 | Kevin` | Oh, wait |
| 05:01.18 | Cyorxamp | its pretending as tho it finished |
| 05:01.26 | Cyorxamp | said its 'done' |
| 05:01.35 | Kevin` | try to mount it? heh |
| 05:01.36 | Cyorxamp | shall i pop it back in and try to mount? |
| 05:01.40 | Cyorxamp | ok |
| 05:01.49 | Cyorxamp | invalid argyment |
| 05:02.21 | Cyorxamp | my linux box cant read it |
| 05:02.41 | Cyorxamp | whatever it did... it messed it up |
| 05:03.03 | Cyorxamp | ok nuts to this i give up |
| 05:03.17 | Cyorxamp | FAT32... 2/3rds used by the loop image |
| 05:03.27 | Kevin` | why not completely used |
| 05:03.30 | Cyorxamp | 1/3rd can be 'My Documents'-like |
| 05:03.36 | Kevin` | oh |
| 05:03.42 | Cyorxamp | i take it, it will show up like a notmal SD card? |
| 05:03.45 | Cyorxamp | that last 128mb or so? |
| 05:04.06 | Kevin` | it will show up as free space.. |
| 05:04.17 | Cyorxamp | ok ill have a 341mb loopback |
| 05:04.34 | Cyorxamp | shall i format as ext2 again on my linux box? |
| 05:04.42 | Kevin` | yes |
| 05:04.50 | Cyorxamp | ext2? |
| 05:04.55 | Cyorxamp | sorry I mean FAT32 |
| 05:05.08 | Kevin` | mount -o async /dev/mmcda1 /media/card |
| 05:05.22 | Cyorxamp | if I'm gonna have 128mb of 'normal SD card memory space' then i want it fat32 |
| 05:05.26 | Cyorxamp | can that be done? |
| 05:05.38 | Kevin` | mount -o loop,async,noatime /media/card/loop /mnt/root |
| 05:05.48 | Kevin` | mount -o bind /media/card /mnt/root/media/card |
| 05:05.51 | Kevin` | umount /pro |
| 05:05.54 | Kevin` | umount /proc * |
| 05:05.56 | Kevin` | umount /dev |
| 05:05.57 | Cyorxamp | im speaking to a terminal obviously |
| 05:06.00 | Cyorxamp | hello? |
| 05:06.05 | Kevin` | chroot /mnt/root |
| 05:06.09 | Kevin` | > |
| 05:06.11 | Kevin` | ? |
| 05:06.20 | Cyorxamp | whats wrong with you? |
| 05:06.27 | Kevin` | Cyorxamp the loop image is just a file |
| 05:06.35 | Cyorxamp | on FAT32? |
| 05:06.37 | Kevin` | yes |
| 05:06.48 | Kevin` | my thoughts on having root on the loop image ^ |
| 05:06.51 | Cyorxamp | so no need for the SD to be ext2? |
| 05:07.10 | Kevin` | well it would be a lot cleaner to have it ext2 |
| 05:07.18 | Cyorxamp | bollox to that |
| 05:07.31 | Cyorxamp | if it aint gonna be a real filesystem then it can be fat32 |
| 05:07.45 | Kevin` | it is a 'real' filesystem |
| 05:07.52 | Cyorxamp | bollox is it |
| 05:07.53 | Kevin` | and you could mount it on linux if you wanted |
| 05:08.07 | Cyorxamp | can I alter the size of the loopback when its made? |
| 05:08.10 | Kevin` | it's just a filesystem on a formatted file instead of a formatted block device |
| 05:08.13 | Cyorxamp | without destroying data? |
| 05:08.26 | Kevin` | Cyorxamp not easily, it's about as easy as resizing a partition |
| 05:08.34 | Kevin` | only there aren't many automatic tools |
| 05:08.35 | Cyorxamp | which is piss easy |
| 05:09.05 | Kevin` | I doubt gparted knows to add data on to a loop image to resize it :) |
| 05:09.06 | Cyorxamp | windows cant format this SD now |
| 05:09.10 | Cyorxamp | its real fucked |
| 05:09.14 | Kevin` | Heh |
| 05:09.15 | Kevin` | :) |
| 05:09.22 | Cyorxamp | i'll get linux to DD it |
| 05:09.27 | Kevin` | format it as fat32 on linux |
| 05:09.44 | Cyorxamp | linux is confused too |
| 05:10.08 | Cyorxamp | dd'ing now anyways |
| 05:10.18 | Cyorxamp | what the hell does dd stand for? |
| 05:10.55 | Cyorxamp | and how do I turn this .tar.gz rootfs into a file for inside a 'boot-image' directory on my FAt32 part? |
| 05:11.12 | Cyorxamp | or should I let alt boot do that? |
| 05:11.50 | Kevin` | uh |
| 05:11.53 | Kevin` | boot-image directory? |
| 05:12.12 | Cyorxamp | well however all this loopy crap is done- i dont know |
| 05:12.15 | Kevin` | well wherever you intend to put the loop file |
| 05:13.02 | Cyorxamp | the hentges stuff is really vague and contradictive |
| 05:13.02 | Kevin` | make an empty file of the size you want |
| 05:13.02 | Kevin` | then format it with ext2 |
| 05:13.02 | Kevin` | then mount it |
| 05:13.02 | Kevin` | then copy files to it |
| 05:13.05 | Cyorxamp | wow... that sounds......... fun |
| 05:13.13 | Cyorxamp | how do i make an empty file? |
| 05:13.31 | Kevin` | dd if=/dev/zero of=loopfile bs=1M count=300 |
| 05:13.33 | Kevin` | or so |
| 05:13.40 | Cyorxamp | 300 is 300mb? |
| 05:13.43 | Kevin` | yes |
| 05:13.47 | Cyorxamp | 300mb exaclty? |
| 05:13.50 | Kevin` | yes |
| 05:13.52 | Cyorxamp | ok |
| 05:14.06 | Cyorxamp | loopfile is the name of the file? |
| 05:14.21 | Kevin` | it can be whatever you want, or whatever those silly instructions say :) |
| 05:14.45 | joshin | Wow, you guys are still at it. Kevin`: I nominate you for sainthood. :) Night all |
| 05:14.48 | Cyorxamp | well im ignorin the silly instructions as I have man who was patient enough to do all this for 4 hours |
| 05:15.12 | Cyorxamp | joshin: night shit head |
| 05:16.29 | Cyorxamp | i don't think i'll sleep tonight its like 6:16am now |
| 05:16.39 | Cyorxamp | id never be able to get back to a normal pattern |
| 05:16.56 | Kevin` | hm I should go to sleep |
| 05:17.12 | Cyorxamp | so if theres a file called 'loopfile' on my fat32 sd card.... thats it? |
| 05:17.16 | Cyorxamp | just option 3 to boot SD? |
| 05:17.29 | Kevin` | I don't know what files, if any, altboot will look for |
| 05:17.37 | Kevin` | might help to read the altboot script |
| 05:17.51 | Kevin` | but, I have to go to sleep |
| 05:17.54 | Cyorxamp | The images must be named XXX-rootfs.bin (where XXX can be any description you'd like, just don't use space) and placed onto the SD or CF card inside the folder configured by IMAGE_PATH. The default is "boot-images". So, to boot an image called "opie-snapshot-rootfs.bin" from SD, you'd place it into /media/card/boot-images. The full path then is /media/card/boot-images/opie-snapshot-rootfs.bin |
| 05:17.58 | Kevin` | have school tomorrow |
| 05:18.22 | Kevin` | so make a boot-images/somename-rootfs.bin |
| 05:18.26 | Cyorxamp | ok... nn |
| 05:18.31 | Kevin` | night |
| 05:18.32 | Cyorxamp | thanx for ur help! |
| 05:18.51 | Kevin` | np |
| 05:22.40 | Cyorxamp | it wont format back to fat32 |
| 05:22.46 | Cyorxamp | windows keep failing! NOOOO! |
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| 10:44.11 | lardman | morning |
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| 10:45.20 | hrw|work | hi lardman |
| 10:47.20 | lardman | hrw|work: sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday |
| 10:47.33 | hrw|work | no problem |
| 10:47.34 | lardman | got caught up, then had to head home to wait for my new PC |
| 10:50.25 | hrw|work | how goes finding job for your girl? |
| 10:51.24 | lardman | She had an interview last week, but the job didn't grab her. Got a couple more applications in now, so generally good I think |
| 10:51.51 | lardman | job didn't grab her, but she was offered it, so she's pleased |
| 10:52.29 | lardman | How's the threaded bitbake working? |
| 10:53.23 | lardman | as I'll be running smp (still umming about 64bit though) once I get around to installing Linux on the new beast |
| 10:53.24 | hrw|work | I do not use trunk but 1.6 |
| 10:54.30 | lardman | I remember reading on the ml, a long time ago, about 64bit issues, is this resolved? |
| 10:54.45 | hrw|work | most of them iirc |
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| 10:59.05 | kryl | hi |
| 10:59.49 | kryl | the web site seems to be down ! |
| 11:00.40 | kryl | I install a recent rom on sl-c760 with gpe and I have problem to install packages via network. ipkg works under terminal but not with the gui soft |
| 11:01.45 | lardman | interesting, www.openzaurus.org does just return a blank page |
| 11:02.01 | lardman | kryl: This is a known issue with the GUI tool |
| 11:02.56 | kryl | so the gui package manager is brocken? |
| 11:02.56 | hrw|work | I lack time to fix webpage |
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| 11:03.10 | hrw|work | kryl: updated version is in upgrades feed |
| 11:03.10 | lardman | kryl: Yes |
| 11:03.11 | kryl | hrw|work, so you are human ? :) |
| 11:03.25 | lardman | hrw|work: Updated package manager? |
| 11:03.30 | hrw|work | kryl: no - cyborg with only one live cell |
| 11:03.37 | hrw|work | lardman: gpe-package was updated iirc |
| 11:03.37 | kryl | :) |
| 11:03.48 | lardman | kryl: there's always the wiki if you need info: http://wiki.openzaurus.org/ |
| 11:03.53 | kryl | ok |
| 11:03.55 | kryl | thanks |
| 11:03.56 | hrw|work | gpe-package 0.3-r3 for arm (OpenZaurus 3.5.4.1 upgrades feed) |
| 11:03.58 | lardman | hrw|work: Ah, okay |
| 11:04.13 | kryl | and I have some problems to install package on SD with ipkg command line |
| 11:04.35 | kryl | (ldconfig is missing and I don't know where I can find it) |
| 11:05.26 | lardman | kryl: Use "su -" not "su" |
| 11:05.46 | lardman | kryl: to ensure that you get /sbin and /usr/sbin added to your $PATH |
| 11:05.54 | kryl | I'm not sure to well understand why ipgk update work and not the gui package manager |
| 11:05.57 | kryl | lardman, k |
| 11:06.27 | lardman | hrw|work: I'm looking for the checkin for gpe-package, do you know how old it is? |
| 11:07.00 | lardman | 6 weeks |
| 11:07.03 | lardman | fair enough |
| 11:08.09 | sander | hi, just a note, compiling openzaurus-3.5.4.2 for my tosa using a parallel build on a smp system, failed at compiling e2fsprogs-1.38, I fixed it adding PARALLEL_MAKE="" to the .bb file |
| 11:08.33 | lardman | sander: How do you setup the parallel build system? |
| 11:10.00 | sander | using PARALLEL_MAKE="-j 4" in my local.conf |
| 11:10.12 | lardman | sander: With the standard version of bitbake? |
| 11:11.27 | sander | svn info states Revision: 618 |
| 11:11.38 | lardman | sander: ok, thanks |
| 11:12.10 | lardman | That flag gives you 4 threads? Is that the recommended number for dual core? Are there any docs about for this? |
| 11:18.01 | lardman | sorry, too many questions |
| 11:20.09 | sander | its said 2 multiples of physical cores |
| 11:22.14 | lardman | thanks |
| 11:22.43 | Laibsch | hrw|work: Are you webmaster@openzaurus.org? www.openzaurus.org is empty and has been at least since yesterday. |
| 11:25.19 | lardman | hrw|work: redirect it to the wiki if you want |
| 11:30.49 | hrw|work | lardman: the problem is that I do not know what is wrong there |
| 11:32.21 | lardman | hrw|work: Oh, I see |
| 11:38.54 | _law_|iBook | could someone send me the url form the passwordless ssh howto |
| 11:39.09 | _law_|iBook | how to i import a pub-key? |
| 11:41.39 | lardman | http://wiki.openzaurus.org/HowTos/Passwordless_SSH |
| 11:43.55 | _law_|iBook | lardman thanks |
| 11:45.07 | hrw|work | _law_|iBook: ssh-copy-id user@remotemachine |
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| 12:05.53 | _law_|iBook | hrw|work ssh-copy-id doesnt exist i have done it via ssh-keygen ... |
| 12:06.12 | _law_|iBook | hrw|work i use red hat linux |
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| 12:57.37 | sander | hi, usb-networking via usb-cradle with my tosa using .oz354x kernel 2.6 does not work, is it known? I modprobed g_ether and configured usb0, on tosa side everything seems to be ok, but on host side lsusb lists no Z? |
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| 13:36.05 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 14:16.02 | Laibsch | hi CoreDump|home. How is it going? We have openzaurus mirrors? Learnt that from the forum today. |
| 14:16.12 | CoreDump|home | yeah |
| 14:16.24 | CoreDump|home | they are listed on oz.org |
| 14:17.16 | Laibsch | which is down ATM. |
| 14:18.31 | CoreDump|home | oops lol |
| 14:18.39 | hrw|work | and I do not know why |
| 14:19.03 | hrw|work | the funny thing is that openzaurus.sf.net works |
| 14:19.17 | CoreDump|home | feeds.openzaurus.org rotates through all mirrors |
| 14:20.04 | Laibsch | hrw|work: I think wordpress has problems. Coming to subpages from google gives a 403 error -> file permissions? What does apache error log say? |
| 14:20.20 | Laibsch | CoreDump|home: Wow, that is cool. Since when has this been up? |
| 14:20.21 | hrw|work | Laibsch: its sf.net - you do not get logs iirc |
| 14:20.30 | Laibsch | bummer |
| 14:20.36 | CoreDump|home | mhentges@h6563:..S/asus-p5w-dh-deluxe/tmp >ping openzaurus.org |
| 14:20.36 | CoreDump|home | PING openzaurus.org (66.35.250.210): 56 data bytes |
| 14:20.48 | CoreDump|home | mhentges@h6563:..S/asus-p5w-dh-deluxe/tmp >ping openzaurus.sourceforge.net |
| 14:20.48 | CoreDump|home | PING projects.sourceforge.net (66.35.250.209): 56 data bytes |
| 14:20.49 | Laibsch | hrw|work: Maybe you can open a support request ticket. |
| 14:20.55 | CoreDump|home | different IPs |
| 14:21.16 | hrw|work | Laibsch: looks like need it |
| 14:21.20 | CoreDump|home | other than that it appears that the webserver is configured from for "openzaurus.org" |
| 14:21.31 | CoreDump|home | s/from/wrong |
| 14:22.21 | CoreDump|home | it is quite possible that sf.org has done that on purpose :\ |
| 14:22.59 | Laibsch | hrw|work: If you are really lucky maybe someone in #sourceforge can help you. But it usually is rather quiet and I do not think the admins hang out there. |
| 14:23.41 | Laibsch | CoreDump|home: Why do you think so? sf.net gives the explicit possibility to host your own domain if it is for FOSS-stuff. |
| 14:24.05 | CoreDump|home | Laibsch: just a guess. |
| 14:24.24 | CoreDump|home | didn't know they really allowed that |
| 14:26.04 | hrw|work | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1579736&group_id=1&atid=200001 |
| 14:31.47 | lardman | Does anyone have Windows to 2.6 kernel Z usb networking working? |
| 14:33.06 | Laibsch | hrw|work: Let's hope it gets fixed soon. BTW, I think you have to show a sf.net logo or link or something. CAnnot be sure 100% now though. It is part of the agreement, though. |
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| 14:38.43 | hrw|work | Laibsch: we have sf logo |
| 14:40.45 | Laibsch | Really. Well hidden. Looked for it and could not find it. But if it is there, everything is OK. |
| 14:41.26 | hrw|work | Laibsch: its in footer |
| 14:41.33 | Laibsch | hrw|work: Well, I looked through openzaurus.sf.net now. And no, there is nothing. No link, no logo. |
| 14:42.06 | hrw|work | iirc its in stylesheet |
| 14:43.01 | Laibsch | Sorry, but there is nothing. |
| 14:45.24 | Laibsch | hrw|work: I would not be surprised if this was the reason they took down oz.org |
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| 14:46.30 | Laibsch | Look for http://sourceforge.net/project/admin/prweb.php?group_id=141800 and search for logo |
| 14:48.08 | hrw|work | Access to this page is restricted (either to project members or to project administrators) and you do not meet the requirements to access this page. Please contact the administrator of this project for further assistance. |
| 14:49.18 | Laibsch | Well, no should log in with your sf account. I guess you are a project admin on sf.net? |
| 14:49.56 | Laibsch | One of the requirements for web services is "Your project web site must display the SourceForge.net logo, as described below." OS my recollection was correct. |
| 14:50.28 | Laibsch | hrw|work: Can you read http://sourceforge.net/docs/E07#logo |
| 14:50.33 | Laibsch | ? |
| 14:50.50 | hrw|work | Laibsch: I can - we had a logo in past |
| 14:52.20 | Laibsch | I am sure. |
| 14:52.27 | Laibsch | It just isn't there anymore. |
| 14:52.48 | Laibsch | And maybe that is why it was working in the past but not anymore ;-) |
| 14:53.11 | Laibsch | BTW, this has to be on all pages hosted on sf.net |
| 14:54.47 | hrw|work | maybe |
| 15:04.20 | polyonymous_ | I still don't get it. Something breaks my locale and I don't see a way to find out what breaks it. |
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| 15:09.28 | lindenle | can I use kismet with a symbol cf wireless card that is using th orinoco driver? |
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| 15:13.22 | polyonymous_ | Okay, I figured the locale thing by finally installing strace. It was looking at /lib/locale, I've symlinked it, but I think it needs a better fix. |
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| 16:40.54 | hvontres|poodle | ~seen Cyorxamp |
| 16:41.13 | ibot | cyorxamp <i=JackONei@87.112.1.37.bbplus.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 11h 18m 27s ago, saying: 'windows keep failing! NOOOO!'. |
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| 17:03.25 | TheFool | WOOT, just got my zaurus in! |
| 17:04.12 | TheFool | now to figure out if I can flash it using my sandisk connectplus wifi card . . . |
| 17:06.24 | Laibsch | TheFool: Congrats! |
| 17:06.39 | Laibsch | Have fun and enjoy the freedom |
| 17:06.45 | TheFool | Laibsch: thank you. |
| 17:07.22 | TheFool | Laibsch: you wouldn't happen to have any experience with a 5500 would you? |
| 17:09.21 | TheFool | ack is it just me or is the openzaurus.org web site down? |
| 17:12.15 | *** mode/#openzaurus [+o CoreDump|home] by ChanServ |
| 17:13.07 | *** topic/#openzaurus by CoreDump|home -> OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://www.openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | Current release: 3.5.4/3.5.4.1 | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ | Feed browser: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/fb/ | openzaurus.org is down, please use one of the mirrors: feeds.openzaurus.org |
| 17:13.41 | *** mode/#openzaurus [-o CoreDump|home] by CoreDump|home |
| 17:14.41 | CoreDump|home | TheFool: yes, oz.org is currently down |
| 17:15.32 | TheFool | ok, lol I thouggt firefox was just trying to keep me from getting my new Z running ;-) |
| 17:15.50 | TheFool | their wiki seems to have everything I need though. |
| 17:18.16 | TheFool | nope, nevermind, I can't get the zimage :( |
| 17:19.21 | TheFool | any idea about when openzaurus.org will be back up? |
| 17:21.10 | CoreDump|home | feeds.openzaurus.org |
| 17:27.02 | TheFool | CoreDump|home: thanks, but there doesn't seem to be any images there for the 5500. Only the clamshell models. |
| 17:27.58 | CoreDump|home | 3.5.4 is the latest release for collie. there's a 3.5.4.2-rc hiding somewhere as well |
| 17:30.48 | TheFool | well I must be slow because all I see in the images directory are images specifically labelled for the clamshell models. And I thought the feeds directory was just precompiled apps. |
| 17:31.42 | TheFool | wow ignore me, somehow I went to the wrong url |
| 17:32.55 | hvontres|poodle | TheFool: I noticed that some of the mirroros in feeds.openzaurus.org only cary the 3.5.4.1 stuff |
| 17:33.53 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home: so did you enjoy the "Cyorxamp" show yesterday ? I think he finally got a bootstrap image to boot |
| 17:34.42 | CoreDump|home | hvontres|poodle: i was close to just /kick him. |
| 17:35.11 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home: I guess flashing and sleep deprivation don't mix |
| 17:35.19 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
| 17:35.56 | hvontres|poodle | and I think he thought the 'c' in irc stands for Clairvoiant :) |
| 17:38.07 | TheFool | is there a specific memory distribution (memory/storgae) that is considered optimal for a 5500? |
| 17:38.41 | CoreDump|home | TheFool: 64/0 if you have an SD card |
| 17:38.51 | TheFool | ok |
| 17:39.41 | TheFool | 64-0 it is, just wanted to make sure that I wouldn't be needing some onboard storage to get something up and running. |
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| 18:07.15 | thefool | so is there any chance that I would be able to flash with a sandisk 128MB + WiFi card? It shows up on my computer as a storage device, and I know it is supposed to "work" with 3.5.4 ... |
| 18:08.47 | JustinP | thefool: depends if the flashing kernel recognizes it as storage |
| 18:09.02 | JustinP | thefool: my guess is no, the flasher is 2.4 kernel based |
| 18:09.12 | JustinP | thefool: you're welcome to try, though :-P |
| 18:15.51 | thefool | darn, couldn't even get the lights to flash :( |
| 18:16.13 | thefool | I guess that means I am going to need to bum a cf card from someone |
| 18:21.13 | thefool | accoriding to the installation instruction "Alternatively to pressing C+D+Reset, you can press D+P (G+P in some models), enter the internal diagnostics menu, and start the flashing process from there." does anyone know at what time this is to be done? |
| 18:21.44 | thefool | during boot it just porints a string of dppppppppppppppp... to the screen and anyother time it doesn't seem to do anything at all |
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| 18:48.48 | mimecar | hi |
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| 18:56.42 | JustinP | thefool: same as flashing procedure, when the battery is out (IIRC) |
| 18:56.52 | JustinP | thefool: just buy one....smaller cards are cheap |
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| 20:08.45 | TheFool | Is there any possibility of getting a sandisk connectplus card to flash my Z? I don't own any other CF cards and I would hate to spend $30 on a low capacity CF card which I would never use again. |
| 20:09.48 | TheFool | Oh, and by the way, OpenZaurus.org is back up. |
| 20:10.42 | hrw|tv | TheFool: it cant be used to flash |
| 20:11.08 | TheFool | figured as much. |
| 20:11.43 | TheFool | thanks though, will have to see if I can bum a CF card from someone :) |
| 20:12.24 | hrw|tv | which Z you have? |
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| 20:12.27 | siriusnova | howdy |
| 20:12.35 | TheFool | 5500, so no SD flashing :( |
| 20:12.37 | hrw|tv | ho siriusnova |
| 20:12.43 | hrw|tv | TheFool: 16m is enough |
| 20:13.14 | TheFool | hrw|tv: ? |
| 20:13.34 | siriusnova | hrw|tw - hey i ran into a weird problem heh |
| 20:13.43 | siriusnova | regarding SD cards |
| 20:13.56 | siriusnova | i have a 256mb SD card and i have a 241mb image on it |
| 20:14.09 | siriusnova | i copied the 241mb image onto my Windows XP computer and now the file shows up as 246mb |
| 20:14.13 | siriusnova | so i cant copy it back to the SD card |
| 20:14.56 | TheFool | 246 won't fit on a 256? |
| 20:15.08 | siriusnova | nope |
| 20:15.30 | hrw|tv | TheFool: to flash collie you need 16M cf card (or bigger) |
| 20:15.46 | siriusnova | TheFool - its weird - i was trying to do a backup |
| 20:15.52 | siriusnova | even though the file _fits_ on the SD card |
| 20:15.54 | TheFool | hrw|tv ah, ok. |
| 20:16.00 | siriusnova | once on my windows xp laptop i cant copy it back |
| 20:16.03 | siriusnova | too big :/ |
| 20:16.30 | hrw|tv | TheFool: I got mine from friend which got it with digital camera |
| 20:17.33 | TheFool | thats a shame, I knew you gained a bit of size when changing between differently formated partitions but 10mb is ridiculous |
| 20:17.36 | hrw|tv | do some research |
| 20:18.07 | hvontres|poodle | 256MB card = 249513 K = 244 MB |
| 20:18.16 | siriusnova | yeah wtf this is weird |
| 20:18.27 | siriusnova | the file was originally ON the SD card |
| 20:18.35 | siriusnova | all i did was copy it over and erase the files on the SD |
| 20:18.39 | siriusnova | and try to copy it back |
| 20:18.40 | siriusnova | lol |
| 20:18.43 | hvontres|poodle | in the hdd and card world 1MB = 1e6 Bytes.... |
| 20:19.19 | hvontres|poodle | in the os worls 1 MB= 1024^2 Bytes |
| 20:19.43 | siriusnova | so basically im screwed :/ |
| 20:19.58 | TheFool | hrw|tv: not sure what you mean by that, I knew I needed 16mb, and I know they are used in cameras etc. the only thing I didn't know, and was googling around for quite a bit to try and find out was if I could modify the initd to allow me to flash with the card I have |
| 20:20.19 | TheFool | siriusnova: basically |
| 20:20.33 | hrw|tv | TheFool: modify in which way? |
| 20:20.35 | siriusnova | heh i made a backup specifically so i wouldnt lose the files |
| 20:20.44 | siriusnova | now i cant copy _the backup_ back to the card i copied it from |
| 20:20.48 | siriusnova | lol |
| 20:20.54 | siriusnova | i hate computers |
| 20:20.55 | TheFool | hrw|tv: build in the prism3 drivers |
| 20:21.11 | TheFool | siriusnova: you can always compress it |
| 20:21.23 | siriusnova | TheFool - its zaurus loop file image |
| 20:21.26 | siriusnova | its a |
| 20:21.42 | siriusnova | i cant really compress that and even if i did i need it as a regular file for the Z to boot off it |
| 20:21.52 | TheFool | siriusnova: ah |
| 20:24.15 | TheFool | siriusnova: well I guess it's time to get a bigger SD card, new egg sells 1GB's for $20 or so ;-) |
| 20:24.34 | siriusnova | well i guess i can try copying the files onto my 256mb card which shows more capacity |
| 20:24.41 | siriusnova | then copy from CF to SD card directly on the Z |
| 20:24.44 | siriusnova | which is kinda weird |
| 20:25.03 | siriusnova | 256mb CF ard |
| 20:25.06 | siriusnova | *card |
| 20:29.02 | summatusmentis | is OZ usable on the 3200? |
| 20:31.54 | siriusnova | wth |
| 20:32.04 | siriusnova | now when i mount my SD card it shows up as multiple partitions on the Z |
| 20:32.20 | siriusnova | like /dev/mmcda1-4 |
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| 21:09.46 | hrw|tv | summatusmentis: yes |
| 21:10.31 | summatusmentis | hrw|tv, thanks, I didn't know how supported it was yet |
| 21:10.49 | hrw|tv | summatusmentis: OZ support EVERY zaurus model except sl-a300 |
| 21:12.21 | hrw|tv | but it you will find working sl-a300 (or two) then it can be supported sooner or later too... |
| 21:13.22 | summatusmentis | right, right, but my understanding was that the 6000 was having issues, and the 3200 is relatively new |
| 21:13.22 | summatusmentis | I'm not bashing OZ at all, just curious |
| 21:13.23 | hrw|tv | 3000/3100/3200 are now handled as one |
| 21:13.23 | summatusmentis | ah |
| 21:13.26 | hrw|tv | and I have sl-c3000 now (OE project device) |
| 21:13.48 | summatusmentis | GPE? or OPIE? |
| 21:14.51 | hrw|tv | depends |
| 21:14.59 | hrw|tv | 4 zauruses here |
| 21:15.04 | hrw|tv | 6000 has gpe |
| 21:15.07 | hrw|tv | 3000 has opie |
| 21:15.18 | hrw|tv | c760 has hmm... probably opie |
| 21:15.31 | hrw|tv | 5500 has bootstrap/2.6 iirc |
| 21:15.56 | summatusmentis | will the 3x00 series handle firefox/openoffice well enough on GPE? my 5500 can't do it |
| 21:16.36 | hrw|tv | openoffice.org is not supported in OZ |
| 21:16.48 | hrw|tv | it's buildsystem is nightmare |
| 21:16.57 | hrw|tv | and I go sleep |
| 21:16.58 | hrw|tv | cu |
| 21:17.26 | summatusmentis | why in the world do I have the impression that it is... |
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| 21:21.05 | OPP | does anyone have a cl-3200 |
| 21:21.37 | summatusmentis | no, but I'm looking into getting one |
| 21:22.41 | OPP | same |
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| 21:22.51 | OPP | i want to know if that psx emulator runs well on it |
| 21:23.51 | summatusmentis | ah, can't help you there |
| 21:24.00 | summatusmentis | coming from which version of the Z? |
| 21:24.03 | OPP | well :-D what do you know abou it |
| 21:24.12 | OPP | i dont have one |
| 21:25.08 | summatusmentis | know about what? the 3200? |
| 21:25.18 | summatusmentis | not too much, I do have some experience w/ Zaurii though |
| 21:25.34 | OPP | o |
| 21:25.47 | OPP | where can i see a compatibillity list for cf/sd wifi cards |
| 21:25.55 | summatusmentis | oesf.org |
| 21:26.01 | summatusmentis | there's a link on there somewhere... |
| 21:27.53 | summatusmentis | OPP, maybe not, there is for the 5500 |
| 21:28.05 | OPP | ok |
| 21:28.17 | OPP | hmm |
| 21:28.26 | summatusmentis | sd wifi won't work |
| 21:29.17 | OPP | is there a way that you could install an OS on it like debian |
| 21:29.20 | OPP | and use repositories |
| 21:29.22 | summatusmentis | spectrum symbol24 will, netgear(some)will, Linksys should, the SanDisk Wifi +128Mb will work, but only one, not both storage and wifi |
| 21:29.36 | summatusmentis | Openzaurus is very similar to debian, and has it's own repositories |
| 21:29.42 | OPP | o it does? |
| 21:29.44 | OPP | thats grea |
| 21:29.46 | OPP | great* |
| 21:29.50 | OPP | does it use apt |
| 21:30.02 | summatusmentis | it uses ipkg, which is similar to apt |
| 21:30.10 | summatusmentis | although lacking some of apts functionality |
| 21:30.41 | OPP | so like |
| 21:30.51 | OPP | ipkg install x11 |
| 21:31.11 | summatusmentis | yes, except GPE is the only version of OZ that does X |
| 21:31.24 | summatusmentis | OPIE is qt based, and doesn't work w/ most applications |
| 21:31.36 | summatusmentis | but yes, ipkg install <packagename> |
| 21:31.46 | OPP | ok |
| 21:32.00 | OPP | and i want this thing in english |
| 21:32.05 | OPP | so Cacko rom, right? |
| 21:33.24 | summatusmentis | most roms do english |
| 21:33.37 | summatusmentis | I think the standard rom will do english too |
| 21:33.50 | summatusmentis | OZ is a ROM, replacing the original |
| 21:34.06 | summatusmentis | if you're looking at other roms, pdaXrom also has X |
| 21:34.10 | summatusmentis | and I think Cacko as well |
| 21:35.15 | OPP | thats cool |
| 21:35.19 | OPP | so if i install X |
| 21:35.29 | OPP | can i really put on on app |
| 21:35.36 | summatusmentis | it'll come w/ X, you don't need to install it |
| 21:35.43 | OPP | o |
| 21:36.03 | OPP | is there a repository list anywhere |
| 21:36.15 | summatusmentis | and that depends, the Zaurii have a different architecture than your standard desktop, so in theory yes, in practicality, no |
| 21:36.37 | summatusmentis | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/fb/ |
| 21:36.44 | summatusmentis | that's a way to search all the packages in OZ |
| 21:36.54 | OPP | you seem to know alot |
| 21:36.57 | OPP | is there an FAQ |
| 21:37.05 | OPP | that you read this stuff |
| 21:37.13 | JustinP | :-/ |
| 21:37.15 | summatusmentis | most of it is from hanging out here, and tinkering |
| 21:37.27 | summatusmentis | afaik, there is no centralized documentation |
| 21:37.45 | summatusmentis | I'm also pretty versed in linux |
| 21:37.55 | OPP | ya i use debian |
| 21:37.59 | OPP | linux is tits |
| 21:38.16 | summatusmentis | pardon? |
| 21:38.30 | OPP | awesome |
| 21:38.33 | summatusmentis | ah |
| 21:38.51 | summatusmentis | JustinP, how usable is the 1000? |
| 21:38.57 | OPP | so whats some awesome stuff about this cl-3200 i probably dont know and also some bad stuff i probably dont know |
| 21:39.05 | summatusmentis | presumably, more so than the 5500... |
| 21:39.15 | summatusmentis | 6GB internal HD |
| 21:39.22 | summatusmentis | very nice screen |
| 21:39.26 | summatusmentis | keyboard |
| 21:39.34 | OPP | ya good stuff |
| 21:39.41 | OPP | 1 sd and 1 CF slot right |
| 21:39.42 | summatusmentis | as for bad, I don't know, never actually seen one |
| 21:39.46 | summatusmentis | yes, one of each |
| 21:39.51 | summatusmentis | CF is usually used for wifi |
| 21:39.56 | OPP | ya |
| 21:40.04 | summatusmentis | there's bad, no internal wifi/bluetooth |
| 21:40.14 | summatusmentis | USB host system |
| 21:40.39 | OPP | battery life |
| 21:40.47 | summatusmentis | not sure |
| 21:40.56 | summatusmentis | relatively good |
| 21:41.04 | OPP | what is opie |
| 21:41.13 | summatusmentis | my 5500(OLD Zaurus) get's 3 hours-ish, no wifi |
| 21:41.23 | summatusmentis | opie is one of the window managers for OZ |
| 21:41.33 | summatusmentis | similar to KDE on debian |
| 21:41.37 | OPP | i see |
| 21:41.42 | summatusmentis | but it doesn't support X |
| 21:41.55 | OPP | opie, x11,gpe,gnome? |
| 21:42.02 | OPP | are those all the wm's |
| 21:42.10 | summatusmentis | OPIE ~= KDE |
| 21:42.17 | summatusmentis | GPE ~= GNOME |
| 21:42.28 | summatusmentis | X is the entire windowing system, on a normal linux system |
| 21:42.34 | OPP | ya |
| 21:42.43 | summatusmentis | gnome is for full fledged systems, not PDA's |
| 21:42.43 | OPP | so opie/gpe requiere x11? |
| 21:42.56 | summatusmentis | GPE has X11, OPIE uses qt |
| 21:43.03 | OPP | i see |
| 21:43.15 | summatusmentis | I'm not doing a very good job explaining this, I know |
| 21:43.31 | OPP | na its fine |
| 21:43.38 | OPP | so to run app |
| 21:43.57 | OPP | that requiere X, you would need to install x11 if you were running Opie |
| 21:44.08 | summatusmentis | you can't install X on OPIE |
| 21:44.15 | OPP | o |
| 21:44.25 | OPP | isnt opie the most supported |
| 21:44.26 | summatusmentis | apps that need X need to be compiled for qt, and most aren't capable of that |
| 21:44.34 | OPP | oooooooo |
| 21:44.36 | OPP | i get it now |
| 21:44.45 | OPP | so most people just use opie? |
| 21:44.55 | summatusmentis | it's personal preference |
| 21:45.04 | summatusmentis | I like GPE, because I like being able to use X apps |
| 21:45.17 | summatusmentis | others like OPIE, as it's more polished, more integrated |
| 21:45.57 | OPP | i thought you said that most apps dont work on gpe |
| 21:46.02 | OPP | because its in qt |
| 21:46.18 | summatusmentis | most apps don't work on OPIE, because it's qt |
| 21:46.26 | summatusmentis | and 'most' is relative |
| 21:46.32 | summatusmentis | OPIE has apps for most everything |
| 21:46.41 | summatusmentis | just not more 'well known' apps |
| 21:46.53 | OPP | but for GPE |
| 21:46.58 | OPP | you said you like X apps |
| 21:47.01 | OPP | so you prefer that |
| 21:47.13 | ljp | actually, you can install x/qt which runs an x server in a qtopiua window |
| 21:47.31 | summatusmentis | I don't use OPIE |
| 21:47.41 | OPP | so you CAN install x in opie? |
| 21:47.48 | ljp | sort of |
| 21:47.52 | ljp | x/qt |
| 21:47.57 | OPP | o |
| 21:47.59 | summatusmentis | I prefer GPE, because i like the idea of using things like firefox |
| 21:48.17 | OPP | but you CAN install x in gpe |
| 21:48.17 | ljp | x/qt lets you run any x app |
| 21:48.19 | ljp | in a qtopia/opie window |
| 21:48.32 | summatusmentis | kind of like a vm? |
| 21:48.44 | OPP | so ljp, whats the best one |
| 21:49.35 | ljp | not a vm. |
| 21:49.46 | ljp | well, I am biased for opie/qtopia |
| 21:50.01 | OPP | so if you wanted to install like gaim, on opie |
| 21:50.04 | OPP | or firefox |
| 21:50.07 | OPP | you could |
| 21:50.12 | ljp | sure. |
| 21:50.14 | OPP | but they're not in the repository |
| 21:50.57 | summatusmentis | both gaim and firefox are in the repos for GPE, which, afaik, are the same fo OPIE |
| 21:51.21 | OPP | o |
| 21:51.23 | OPP | neat |
| 21:51.48 | summatusmentis | firefox is terribly slow on a 5500, but I don't know about the 3200 |
| 21:52.24 | OPP | what do you use |
| 21:52.25 | OPP | dillo? |
| 21:52.27 | JustinP | summatusmentis: 1000 is what CoreDump uses. AFAIK it works fine. |
| 21:52.37 | JustinP | summatusmentis: I have a 3000 and it kicks ass ;-) |
| 21:53.06 | summatusmentis | JustinP, I'm used to size constraints of the 5500, which is why I ask |
| 21:53.31 | JustinP | summatusmentis: sorry, I don't understand what the size constraints of the 5500 have to do with how well the 1000 works ;-) |
| 21:53.50 | OPP | JustinP:have you tried psx4zaurus emulator |
| 21:54.02 | summatusmentis | I didn't know if there were similar constraints, what w/ the 128MB |
| 21:54.03 | JustinP | summatusmentis: I had a 5500 previously. It got fried by a bad power cable. |
| 21:54.15 | JustinP | OPP: eh? do you have a link? |
| 21:54.25 | summatusmentis | I understand that's way more than the 5500, but I didn't know how that compares |
| 21:54.25 | ljp | IMHO, opera is the best |
| 21:54.46 | JustinP | summatusmentis: constraints such as? the 128MB is pretty good size for base OS at least. Like I said I have the 3000. ;-) I love the 4GB HD. |
| 21:54.59 | OPP | http://www.psx4all.net/ |
| 21:55.15 | summatusmentis | ok, thanks |
| 21:55.59 | JustinP | OPP: really.....never tried it. Is it open source? It looks like they're supporting Sharp ROM and Cacko (whichis modified Sharp). OZ is very different. |
| 21:56.37 | OPP | o |
| 21:56.56 | OPP | im very, very confused |
| 21:57.15 | OPP | can you run opie from cacko? |
| 21:57.19 | OPP | or is that an OZ thing |
| 21:57.30 | summatusmentis | opie is OZ |
| 21:57.41 | summatusmentis | although cacko, and sharp, are also qt based |
| 21:57.47 | OPP | oo |
| 21:57.50 | OPP | does cacko use a repositroy |
| 21:57.54 | OPP | repository |
| 21:59.04 | JustinP | Cacko and Sharp use Sharp's qt gui. Opie is a replacement for it also built on qt. OZ also has GPE (X). |
| 22:00.01 | JustinP | hmmm...it's for pdaXrom.... |
| 22:00.13 | JustinP | if it's open source and works on 2.6 kernel it could be added to OE.... |
| 22:00.43 | JustinP | sh....bvdd....yeah, it's not going to work in OZ....at least not playably |
| 22:00.53 | OPP | i see |
| 22:00.58 | JustinP | looks like it's written for 2.4 kernel, OZ uses 2.6 |
| 22:01.13 | OPP | i see |
| 22:01.16 | JustinP | faster for everything *but* graphics/movie playback at full screen |
| 22:01.23 | JustinP | but it's being worked on |
| 22:01.28 | summatusmentis | JustinP, usually anyway :-/ |
| 22:01.35 | OPP | i see |
| 22:01.37 | summatusmentis | 2.6 that is |
| 22:01.38 | JustinP | IIRC some proper overlay support was added to the kernel but no libraries/programs support it yet |
| 22:01.43 | OPP | god i want one of these little gadgets |
| 22:01.48 | OPP | where should i get oen |
| 22:01.49 | OPP | one |
| 22:02.05 | JustinP | dynamism.com is where I got mine |
| 22:02.12 | summatusmentis | pricejapan.com is cheapest(I think) |
| 22:02.29 | OPP | ok |
| 22:02.30 | OPP | thanks |
| 22:02.39 | OPP | o wait |
| 22:02.40 | summatusmentis | conics.net also |
| 22:02.44 | OPP | so can Cacko run x11? |
| 22:03.54 | OPP | wow |
| 22:03.56 | OPP | these arent cheap |
| 22:04.16 | summatusmentis | omg, way cheaper on pricejapan.com |
| 22:05.52 | JustinP | OPP: I can't find any source code, only builds. |
| 22:06.08 | OPP | i see |
| 22:07.24 | OPP | for the sl-c1000 |
| 22:07.39 | OPP | is it worse than the cl-3200 in any ways other than storage |
| 22:07.46 | summatusmentis | not that I knowof |
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| 22:12.07 | OPP | do any of you use it for gaming |
| 22:13.01 | summatusmentis | tetris in econ. class, that's it |
| 22:13.14 | OPP | lol |
| 22:13.35 | OPP | ooo |
| 22:13.41 | OPP | here |
| 22:13.44 | OPP | on i found it |
| 22:13.50 | OPP | "Note: The Sharp Zaurus build has only been tested to work on pdaXrom. Cacko, OpenZaurus, and 2.6 Kernel distro builds are being worked on. |
| 22:13.50 | OPP | Thanks, |
| 22:13.50 | OPP | psx4all team |
| 22:14.04 | OPP | and cacko works now |
| 22:14.26 | OPP | its incredible what reading will do :-D |
| 22:14.52 | summatusmentis | yeah, usually helps |
| 22:16.29 | JustinP | OPP: well, if they want to support OZ it would be nice if they'd release source and create a bbfile for it... |
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| 22:30.28 | polyonymous_ | what was the vnc client for opie? or is it just my phantasy? |
| 22:35.39 | JustinP | keypebble |
| 22:37.17 | OPP | thats cool |
| 22:37.24 | OPP | so what do you guys use the zaurus manly for |
| 22:37.28 | OPP | mainly* |
| 22:39.09 | polyonymous_ | ah, thanks, that sounds like the word. |
| 22:39.37 | polyonymous_ | OPP, ssh, reading books and keeping addressbook. |
| 22:40.05 | OPP | cool |
| 22:40.27 | JustinP | ssh, notes, fooling around, a little web browsing, lots of music playing |
| 22:40.59 | OPP | :-D |
| 22:41.02 | OPP | hows battery life with music |
| 22:41.05 | polyonymous_ | yeah, I forgot fooling around (whatever it is) |
| 22:41.11 | OPP | and i love ssh |
| 22:41.37 | JustinP | with the cover closed and screen off I've had it run an entire work-day |
| 22:41.43 | JustinP | while playing music |
| 22:41.49 | JustinP | 6-8 hours I'd say |
| 22:42.02 | polyonymous_ | I used to play music on palm before, but didn't have a chance to listen to it since I got Z. |
| 22:42.04 | OPP | thats good |
| 22:42.23 | JustinP | actually using it, with the screen on, I'd say around 4h |
| 22:42.30 | OPP | i think i like pdaXrom the best so far |
| 22:42.30 | JustinP | with wifi you're looking at 2h |
| 22:42.39 | JustinP | remember there's GPE |
| 22:42.42 | polyonymous_ | 6-8 hours is a lot. |
| 22:42.46 | JustinP | GPE runs on X so yu can run whatever you want |
| 22:42.55 | OPP | ya but i want that psx emulator :-D |
| 22:43.09 | JustinP | and OZ's build system is far ahead anyone else's (IMHO) |
| 22:43.22 | JustinP | well, they said they're working on it |
| 22:43.31 | JustinP | but hey, your choice, if you do get one |
| 22:43.34 | polyonymous_ | Unfortunately, my experience with gpe and opie keeps me onthe opie side... Not that I'm excited about the state of the affairs in opie land. |
| 22:44.00 | OPP | can't i swithc? |
| 22:44.01 | OPP | switch |
| 22:44.04 | OPP | if i dont like it? |
| 22:44.09 | polyonymous_ | you can. |
| 22:44.30 | polyonymous_ | remember to make a nand backup tho :) |
| 22:45.05 | OPP | ok |
| 22:49.54 | hvontres|poodle | polyonymous_:The opie VNC server is fbvncserver. pgfeller is working on gettig uinput to work with it. currently the keyboard works but the ts stuff does not. |
| 22:50.17 | polyonymous_ | hvontres|poodle, thanks, last time I tried it it didn't work. But asked for a client ;-) |
| 22:50.32 | polyonymous_ | this time. Your information is valuable nonetheless. |
| 22:50.41 | polyonymous_ | JustinP, about nand backup? |
| 22:50.43 | hvontres|poodle | polyonymous_: oops...my bad.. |
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| 22:50.59 | Cyorxamp | Anyone know what a good vlc server would be for the zaurus? |
| 22:51.03 | polyonymous_ | hvontres|poodle, thanks anyway. |
| 22:51.23 | OPP | how do you overclock the zaurus |
| 22:51.26 | Cyorxamp | hey Kevin` |
| 22:51.31 | polyonymous_ | I don't. |
| 22:51.46 | hvontres|poodle | polyonymous_: viewer i think is keypebble... |
| 22:52.09 | polyonymous_ | hvontres|poodle, Yes, thanks, JustinP has answered already. |
| 22:53.04 | JustinP | polyonymous_: no, about GPE |
| 22:53.34 | hvontres|poodle | Cyorxamp: how's the Z doing today? |
| 22:53.41 | polyonymous_ | JustinP, ah.. Well, the worst of all is lack of something like opie-reader. |
| 22:54.29 | polyonymous_ | JustinP, another thing is speed, but it's not that critical. |
| 22:55.13 | polyonymous_ | JustinP, but this is why I keep saying that, not sure if this is what keeps the rest ;-) |
| 22:55.30 | JustinP | polyonymous_: seems to run fast enough to me....and as for opie-reader, well, if we don't have a reader app of some kind it shouldn't be hard to get one in. It is X, after all. Find a good, simple reader on linux and cretae/ask for a bb file for it. ;-) |
| 22:55.31 | Cyorxamp | hvontres|poodle, its back to the sharp rom |
| 22:55.47 | Cyorxamp | my SD card is completely bust after all the formatting me and kevin did last night |
| 22:56.22 | polyonymous_ | JustinP, I did expect this answer. Well, you're totally right here and I wanted to say that the lack of reader is my fault when I mentioned it first. |
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| 22:57.18 | polyonymous_ | I keep fooling around gpe, though and maybe one day... |
| 22:57.29 | JustinP | polyonymous_: well, it's not your fault, per-se, but it's also not the developer's fault per-se either ;-). It's kind of a community fault. That's what's nice about Open Source. :-) |
| 22:57.33 | hvontres|poodle | Cyorxamp: are you looking for a VNC server? |
| 22:57.47 | polyonymous_ | JustinP, I didn't blame anyone! ;-) |
| 22:57.49 | Cyorxamp | yeah, a nice ipkg package maybe? |
| 22:58.09 | hvontres|poodle | Cyorxamp: for sharp rom, get fbvncserver from sdg.com |
| 22:58.49 | Cyorxamp | thanx |
| 22:59.05 | JustinP | polyonymous_: I realize that, just pointing it out for anyone listening. |
| 22:59.38 | JustinP | polyonymous_: I'd be happy to try to make a bb file for some reader if you're not up to it. I just don'thave time to find something suitable. Hell, one might already be in OE but just not known. |
| 22:59.44 | polyonymous_ | JustinP, ah, ok. Well, even thought I "keep saying" that about gpe, I don't mean doing any harm to the latter. |
| 23:00.11 | hvontres|poodle | Cyorxamp: http://sdgsystems.com/download/fbvncserver-sl5500_0.9.4_arm.ipk |
| 23:00.48 | polyonymous_ | JustinP, could be ;-) And, anyway, I also don't know of good readers for X since I never needed one. I may do some research on it when I get time. But I have to admit that opie-reader does its thing very well. |
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| 23:04.20 | JustinP | polyonymous_: there's a mention of an X version of opie-reader compiled with fltk here: http://www.openpsion.org/howtos/series5mx_new/x628.htm |
| 23:04.48 | polyonymous_ | JustinP, thanks, I'll take a look. |
| 23:05.59 | polyonymous_ | JustinP, yes, that's interesting. I'm leaving for two weeks in two days, so I'll just bookmark it for now. |
| 23:12.14 | JustinP | polyonymous_: sounds good. You could also try asking the opie-reader author whether he's ever thought of an X version. |
| 23:20.13 | polyonymous_ | In two weeks or so ;-) |
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| 23:46.21 | Cyorxamp | what servers can I add to the Package Manager? |
| 23:47.10 | Cyorxamp | hvontres|poodle, ok its working fine and i can watch what the zaurus does on my pc - but it wont send my mouse clicks on the pc to the pda - howcome? |
| 23:47.37 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: if you're not using OZ I suggest you ask for help elsewhere. This is the OpenZaurus channel. |
| 23:48.03 | Cyorxamp | well considering OZ does not work, what else am I left with? |
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