| 00:00.17 | SlickMcSly | i'm either going to get a c3k2 for internal cf slot or a htc universal, either way i won't be keeping the c1k |
| 00:02.08 | summatusmentis | found something that'll do gprs? |
| 00:03.19 | agaffney | SlickMcSly: does it have to be in san diego? do you not want to ship it? |
| 00:04.36 | SlickMcSly | agaffney, i can ship it. just thought ppl would desire convenience 1st |
| 00:05.00 | agaffney | out of curiosity, how much are you asking? |
| 00:06.15 | SlickMcSly | it's almost 2 months old ordered new from japan, aside frmo some dust int he screw slot it's in great condition so $300 |
| 00:06.58 | SlickMcSly | the screw slots being the holes the screws are screed into |
| 00:07.11 | SlickMcSly | screed = screwed |
| 00:07.21 | summatusmentis | just the Z? |
| 00:07.40 | SlickMcSly | that and a 256 MB sd card for flashing |
| 00:08.03 | summatusmentis | mm.. |
| 00:08.04 | SlickMcSly | i guess i can release the host cable too, box and client cable, sd and cf covers included of course |
| 00:08.20 | SlickMcSly | original box, japanese manual plastic bags and the rest of course |
| 00:08.31 | summatusmentis | shipping across country would be rough |
| 00:09.06 | SlickMcSly | we'd need a mediator to cover both sides |
| 00:09.15 | SlickMcSly | that's why i like dealing in person |
| 00:10.00 | summatusmentis | mediator? |
| 00:10.07 | summatusmentis | like paypal? |
| 00:10.12 | SlickMcSly | like ebay or something that can hold both side responsible for their conduct |
| 00:10.17 | summatusmentis | ah |
| 00:10.17 | SlickMcSly | yeah |
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| 00:11.10 | SlickMcSly | i sold my c860 and 64MB mmc card for $275 to buy my c1k so i think i can sell a c1k with 256 for $300 |
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| 00:14.43 | summatusmentis | hrm... it's tempting |
| 00:14.50 | summatusmentis | keep me updated at least, if you don't mind |
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| 00:18.41 | Cyorxamp | I'm going for the loopback - don't want all the hassle of last time |
| 00:18.49 | Cyorxamp | I'm flashing the bootstrap initrd.bin now |
| 00:19.08 | Cyorxamp | This -ought- to be a walk in the park |
| 00:19.24 | Cyorxamp | I'm also going opie because well I think i'm defecting to kde/opie |
| 00:19.41 | Cyorxamp | how evil of me |
| 00:19.43 | summatusmentis | KDE is nice, don't know about opie |
| 00:20.18 | Cyorxamp | isnt opie what zaurus comes with anyway>? |
| 00:20.31 | Cyorxamp | the 'opie' OZ rom looks very much like the same GUI as the sharp one |
| 00:21.03 | summatusmentis | based on qt, yeah, like sharp |
| 00:21.24 | Cyorxamp | hmm this aint right |
| 00:21.32 | Cyorxamp | i just flashed it and it come up saying sharp not OZ |
| 00:21.35 | SlickMcSly | summatusmentis, update: i'm writing up my craig's list posting right now |
| 00:22.34 | summatusmentis | heh, ok |
| 00:24.01 | Cyorxamp | I just delcared war on ubuntu big time :S |
| 00:24.18 | Cyorxamp | Infact joshin will love this |
| 00:25.11 | Cyorxamp | the only thing keeping me on ubuntu was apt-get anyways... and urmpi seems good enough |
| 00:26.15 | summatusmentis | shame |
| 00:26.20 | Cyorxamp | why? |
| 00:26.28 | summatusmentis | apt-get is way better |
| 00:26.35 | Cyorxamp | i don't get this... i keep flashin my zaurus with the OZ rom and sharp keeps coming up |
| 00:26.36 | summatusmentis | although portage is supposed to be better than apt |
| 00:26.55 | JustinP | portage is awesome ;-) |
| 00:26.58 | Cyorxamp | well apt was good I guess, but ubuntu is just too horrid, and debian aint better |
| 00:27.10 | agaffney | portage++ :P |
| 00:27.14 | JustinP | bitbake is actually based on portage (bitbake is what builds OE/OZ) |
| 00:27.19 | summatusmentis | what was so bad about ubuntu? |
| 00:27.20 | Cyorxamp | I feel as tho Mandriva is going somewhere and ubuntu is just standing still |
| 00:27.41 | Cyorxamp | this new edgy release seems more like a patch for dapper than anything to be excited about |
| 00:28.16 | Cyorxamp | I may try gentoo again one day |
| 00:28.30 | agaffney | I do the x86 releases and the installer |
| 00:28.36 | Cyorxamp | I might have gained a much much better understanding of linux over the last year but gentoo is pretty complex |
| 00:28.40 | agaffney | summatusmentis: satellite internet sucks goat nuts |
| 00:28.48 | summatusmentis | better than dial-up |
| 00:28.53 | agaffney | not much |
| 00:29.09 | Cyorxamp | why stuck with satnet? |
| 00:29.13 | agaffney | they do *horrid* things with the TCP/IP protocol to compensate for the latency |
| 00:29.19 | agaffney | and it only works for http |
| 00:29.20 | summatusmentis | well, in a town of 600, dsl just doesn't happen |
| 00:29.26 | agaffney | any other protocol has *horrible* latency |
| 00:29.31 | agaffney | I'm talking 2 seconds |
| 00:29.41 | Cyorxamp | summatusmentis, shouldnt be hard to do ADSL2+ tho |
| 00:29.56 | summatusmentis | Cyorxamp, what do you mean? |
| 00:29.59 | Cyorxamp | most of the british countryside can at least get 512kbps internet |
| 00:30.11 | Cyorxamp | adsl2+ it's extremely long range |
| 00:30.36 | summatusmentis | hrm, I suppose a local company would need to supply that service though right? |
| 00:31.05 | Cyorxamp | just enable it at the exchange (im guessing in the local big town/city) then all the surrounding countryside towns/villages can get it |
| 00:31.24 | summatusmentis | what's the range on it? |
| 00:31.34 | Cyorxamp | look it up on wikipedia im not sure |
| 00:31.44 | summatusmentis | ok, thanks, I'll look into it |
| 00:31.48 | NAbyss | 8km, iirc for 1mbps |
| 00:31.49 | Cyorxamp | its cropping up all over the UK but then the UK has always been ahead of the USA in tech |
| 00:32.00 | Cyorxamp | ADSL2+ is capable of 24mbps |
| 00:32.09 | Cyorxamp | will be gettin that soon :P |
| 00:32.26 | NAbyss | Cyorxamp: Yeah, but the range is pathetic for 24mbps |
| 00:32.36 | NAbyss | something like 500m from the exchange |
| 00:32.55 | Cyorxamp | sure it is! but for countrysides to loose 16mbps or 20mbps - who cares? |
| 00:32.55 | Cyorxamp | it's BB :P |
| 00:33.11 | NAbyss | True :) |
| 00:33.17 | Cyorxamp | i didnt rename zimage, thats why it didnt work :S |
| 00:33.32 | JustinP | agaffney: cool :-) |
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| 00:33.43 | NAbyss | Cyorxamp: www.internode.on.net/adsl2/graph/index.htm - max range of ReADSL2 is about 6800m, normal adsl2 is 6200m |
| 00:33.45 | Cyorxamp | does the states not have ADSL? |
| 00:33.46 | summatusmentis | Cyorxamp, I'm pretty sure nothing like that is available in my area |
| 00:34.01 | Cyorxamp | all i hear is 'DSL' |
| 00:34.06 | Cyorxamp | but we always call it ADSL over there |
| 00:34.14 | Cyorxamp | so did ADSL not take off or something in the states? |
| 00:34.44 | Cyorxamp | summatusmentis, yeah its unlikely - but at least u know it aint impossible for dsl in ur area - maybe one day it wil happen |
| 00:34.50 | agaffney | most DSL here in the US is ADSL or XDSL |
| 00:34.56 | Cyorxamp | xdsl?! |
| 00:35.16 | summatusmentis | 8km == ? mi. ? |
| 00:35.20 | agaffney | I've only heard of XDSL being used in a few cases to get an extra bit of distance |
| 00:35.32 | Cyorxamp | lol... you americans |
| 00:35.37 | agaffney | I've got ADSL |
| 00:35.39 | Cyorxamp | and your crappy imperial measurements |
| 00:35.51 | Cyorxamp | get metric! |
| 00:36.06 | Cyorxamp | except for road signs, beer, and fastfood menu's :P |
| 00:36.15 | Cyorxamp | were such hypacrits |
| 00:36.23 | Cyorxamp | with bad spelling |
| 00:36.55 | SlickMcSly | summatusmentis, http://sandiego.craigslist.org/sys/225773045.html |
| 00:37.00 | summatusmentis | ~5 mi. nearest town is 7 mi |
| 00:37.02 | ibot | okay, summatusmentis |
| 00:37.03 | summatusmentis | SlickMcSly, thanks |
| 00:37.09 | SlickMcSly | i'd make an acception for paypal verified |
| 00:37.17 | SlickMcSly | err exception |
| 00:37.20 | Cyorxamp | ok option [8] on altboot :P |
| 00:37.26 | Cyorxamp | here we go! |
| 00:38.11 | Cyorxamp | does 256mb of 1gb sound enough for OZ? |
| 00:38.20 | Cyorxamp | or should it be bigger? |
| 00:38.40 | summatusmentis | Depends on what you're looking for... |
| 00:38.43 | Cyorxamp | i know the min is 30mb, but i wanna see how much i can get done with it - lots of apps |
| 00:39.13 | summatusmentis | why not just use the full 1gb? |
| 00:39.20 | Cyorxamp | games too!, hmm they take a substantial about of memory |
| 00:39.23 | Cyorxamp | like quake pak files |
| 00:39.42 | SlickMcSly | Cyorxamp, whish Z are you using? |
| 00:39.49 | Cyorxamp | summatusmentis, i want to leave some of the SD empty so i can use it to easily store temporary files on it like music |
| 00:39.57 | Cyorxamp | and i can dump music on the sd from windows then |
| 00:39.59 | Cyorxamp | collie |
| 00:40.12 | summatusmentis | ah |
| 00:40.32 | SlickMcSly | if you're serious about games get a Cxx00, better performance, largers screen, PLAYSTATION EMULATOR |
| 00:40.44 | Cyorxamp | the guys over at #theora think an hour and a half movie at 320x240 resolution should be about 200mb |
| 00:40.54 | Cyorxamp | SlickMcSly, im not that serious :P |
| 00:41.01 | Cyorxamp | and i cant stand consoles |
| 00:42.08 | SlickMcSly | if you're concerned at all about regular use then you at least want a c7x0 for the vga display |
| 00:42.11 | Cyorxamp | can I make the loopfile bigger later on? |
| 00:42.25 | SlickMcSly | also, movies can be playingw ith greater bitrates than on a collie |
| 00:42.25 | Cyorxamp | SlickMcSly, look i'm sticking to what i've got - okay? |
| 00:43.00 | Cyorxamp | can I make the loopfile bigger later on? |
| 00:43.27 | Cyorxamp | like tar'ing the contents.. deleting it... remake it... untar the contents maybe? |
| 00:43.30 | SlickMcSly | nope, it's equivalent to partition resizing without actually doing it |
| 00:43.52 | summatusmentis | SlickMcSly, which can be done... |
| 00:43.59 | Cyorxamp | Your sentence makes as much sense as a pink banana |
| 00:44.21 | Cyorxamp | i'm guessing it can be done... 256mb it is |
| 00:44.38 | Cyorxamp | ok its making it |
| 00:44.41 | SlickMcSly | once you make a loopback and install a filesystem there's no tool that can resize the fs regardless of the loopback's size change |
| 00:44.52 | SlickMcSly | the extra space just won't be used |
| 00:44.56 | Cyorxamp | didnt you even read what I put? |
| 00:45.05 | summatusmentis | why can't one resize an fs? |
| 00:45.17 | Cyorxamp | ....<Cyorxamp> like tar'ing the contents.. deleting it... remake it... untar the contents maybe? |
| 00:45.49 | SlickMcSly | sry, distracted |
| 00:45.52 | agaffney | SlickMcSly: uhh, why couldn't you use resize2fs on an unmounted loopback image? |
| 00:46.39 | agaffney | or whatever tool is relevant for the filesystem you're using |
| 00:47.28 | SlickMcSly | is there relevant tool for every fs? i guess if you pick a fs jst for that then ok |
| 00:47.50 | Cyorxamp | don't worry we know its big |
| 00:49.34 | Cyorxamp | Ok i have an error |
| 00:49.47 | Cyorxamp | it did mounting the loopfile |
| 00:49.59 | Cyorxamp | it installed the rootfs and synced drives |
| 00:50.23 | Cyorxamp | then it said losetup: ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: No such device or address |
| 00:50.34 | Cyorxamp | then just Press enter to go back to altboot |
| 00:51.36 | Cyorxamp | anyone know why? |
| 00:51.47 | SlickMcSly | Cyorxamp, why not format the entire card to ext2 and use a windows app for reading ext2? |
| 00:51.57 | summatusmentis | cuz they suck |
| 00:52.06 | Cyorxamp | i did that before... and my sd card got ruined |
| 00:52.08 | summatusmentis | cause corruption, or at least the 3 I tried did |
| 00:52.09 | Cyorxamp | this is the second one |
| 00:52.13 | SlickMcSly | which did you use? |
| 00:52.24 | Cyorxamp | which sd? |
| 00:52.30 | SlickMcSly | which prog |
| 00:52.34 | Cyorxamp | for what? |
| 00:52.38 | SlickMcSly | for ext2 |
| 00:52.42 | SlickMcSly | ...in windows |
| 00:52.47 | Cyorxamp | i didnt |
| 00:52.53 | Cyorxamp | i barely use windows |
| 00:53.18 | SlickMcSly | so you sd card for ruined using ext2 period? |
| 00:53.39 | Cyorxamp | well yeah, it was formatted so many times trying to get the fucker to work |
| 00:53.46 | Cyorxamp | in the end it didnt and the sd card got fucked |
| 00:54.36 | SlickMcSly | i very well doubt you formated the card enough times to reach it's write limit |
| 00:54.52 | Cyorxamp | well think what you like, it fucked up - no way to recover it |
| 00:55.02 | Cyorxamp | tried dd on linux to zero it and killdisk on windows |
| 00:55.17 | Cyorxamp | windows wont format it fat32 and on linux it can format it ext2 but cant mount it - io error |
| 00:55.22 | Cyorxamp | so its screwed |
| 00:55.41 | Cyorxamp | and whats more in the bin... so not even any need to go there |
| 00:55.57 | Cyorxamp | does anyone know why i got ... losetup: ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: No such device or address |
| 00:56.26 | SlickMcSly | my point is that, whatever happened tot he last one, coudl very well happen to this one |
| 00:56.38 | SlickMcSly | ...may already be happening |
| 00:57.07 | Cyorxamp | yup i know |
| 00:57.11 | Cyorxamp | the collie sucks balls |
| 00:57.18 | Cyorxamp | especially OZ |
| 00:58.03 | SlickMcSly | nope, i formated a sd card to reiserfs and bootstrapped a full debian arm installation with some key OZ packages |
| 00:58.18 | SlickMcSly | served me well for months, even with journaling |
| 00:59.06 | Cyorxamp | Contratulations! Your a bragging twat.... oh jolly well good, good show - we do hope you've enjoyed the contest - Good Bye! |
| 00:59.34 | SlickMcSly | there aren't enough ppl in this channel to cop an attitude or ignore them when they're trying to help |
| 01:00.26 | summatusmentis | Cyorxamp, I'd listen to him, he seems to know what he's talking about |
| 01:00.45 | Cyorxamp | Nah he doesn't, he is more content in telling me what is pointless to my current problem |
| 01:00.59 | Cyorxamp | Like a different zaurus, or what -he- managed to do, wtf is up with that? |
| 01:01.29 | summatusmentis | Zaurii all tend to be similar, what works on one, should or at least likely could, work on another |
| 01:01.33 | agaffney | Cyorxamp: the latest OZ images are unsuitable for using altboot to create your loopback |
| 01:01.42 | agaffney | multiple people (including me) have run into the same issue on collie |
| 01:01.45 | Cyorxamp | summatusmentis, yeah but he was trying to get to buy another one ffs |
| 01:01.59 | agaffney | I had to create my loopback and extract the rootfs using a card reader on my laptop |
| 01:02.03 | agaffney | then it booted just fine |
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| 01:02.40 | Cyorxamp | well thats what im already doing now |
| 01:02.45 | SlickMcSly | summatusmentis, don't bother with him, he just convince himself it's every1's fault but his |
| 01:03.07 | Cyorxamp | its probably the only way |
| 01:03.23 | SlickMcSly | he'll get frustrated and sell his Z to a compotent user with a better attitude |
| 01:03.41 | summatusmentis | perhaps, perhaps not |
| 01:04.03 | Cyorxamp | i've spent too long repairing this Z with other collies parts and installing crap over the last year to give up now |
| 01:04.12 | Cyorxamp | i know the inners of this thing like the back of my hand |
| 01:04.16 | summatusmentis | SlickMcSly, have you found anything that will allow gsm/grps capability? |
| 01:04.24 | SlickMcSly | yes several links hold on |
| 01:05.01 | Cyorxamp | i have a spare collie btw if anyone wants one? it'll go on ebay soon |
| 01:05.02 | summatusmentis | tested any of it yet? |
| 01:05.08 | Cyorxamp | altho theres no touchscreen |
| 01:05.23 | SlickMcSly | not yet but i've foudn a working example: http://tuxmobil.org/pcmcia_cf_anycom_gprs.html |
| 01:05.26 | Cyorxamp | so prob best for parts |
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| 01:05.51 | SlickMcSly | you want the links for where to order such cards? |
| 01:06.21 | summatusmentis | no, thanks anyway |
| 01:06.22 | SlickMcSly | that website also has a direct link to a list of other cards tested under linux |
| 01:06.27 | summatusmentis | curiousity mostly |
| 01:07.12 | Cyorxamp | im gonna have to boot into linux to get this loopback made, i thought there were loopback images on the hentges site |
| 01:07.16 | Cyorxamp | just tar.gz'as |
| 01:08.27 | SlickMcSly | if he hadn't ignored me i could tell him about OE build process and how to build his own loopback images |
| 01:08.56 | Cyorxamp | whats the line i need for making a loopback? |
| 01:09.00 | Cyorxamp | i know the mkfs side of it |
| 01:09.06 | Cyorxamp | but i just need an empty file right? |
| 01:09.14 | Cyorxamp | dd is it? |
| 01:09.41 | summatusmentis | I thought bitbake did something to make linux unusable(x.org on linux at fault)? |
| 01:10.01 | SlickMcSly | you mean the host system? |
| 01:10.27 | summatusmentis | right, x.org on the host system broke bitbake? |
| 01:10.38 | summatusmentis | or vice versa? |
| 01:10.55 | SlickMcSly | nope, don't think so. bitbake is just a python script |
| 01:11.02 | Cyorxamp | ill boot the gparted cd on my other pc - should be able do it on there |
| 01:11.15 | SlickMcSly | the oe build process compiles it's own compiler, glibc, and everything else too |
| 01:11.20 | SlickMcSly | so it's not installing anything either |
| 01:11.35 | SlickMcSly | you do need gcc 3.4.x for certain packages |
| 01:11.38 | summatusmentis | SlickMcSly, ok, I was worried about that, I'll get around to setting up a cross-compile env sometime then |
| 01:12.46 | SlickMcSly | is it possible for you to idle in the channel for multiple days? some ppl dont respond during convenient hours because of timezone differences |
| 01:13.07 | summatusmentis | me? |
| 01:13.11 | SlickMcSly | yeah |
| 01:13.15 | summatusmentis | not really, dial-up |
| 01:13.20 | SlickMcSly | ough |
| 01:13.25 | SlickMcSly | that hurts |
| 01:13.33 | summatusmentis | that is does, that it does |
| 01:14.19 | SlickMcSly | when the hell are they going to make spintronic modems!? |
| 01:15.40 | summatusmentis | spintronic? |
| 01:16.06 | Cyorxamp | is he using randomly thrown in terminology to make you feel small? |
| 01:16.29 | summatusmentis | I'll try to be more wary of time differences, you're just always logged in, sorry about that |
| 01:16.43 | summatusmentis | Cyorxamp, I'm not getting in the middle of this |
| 01:17.06 | Cyorxamp | ok :{P |
| 01:17.11 | Cyorxamp | oh a tash! |
| 01:18.56 | Cyorxamp | jeez the gparted cd doesnt even have tar |
| 01:18.57 | SlickMcSly | summatusmentis, jk, spintronics are those entangled electron devices for the upcoming quantum computing technology |
| 01:19.19 | SlickMcSly | they've already done successful tests |
| 01:19.26 | Cyorxamp | ok I have to break silence for this one.... do you see what I mean?! |
| 01:19.30 | SlickMcSly | too costly/bulky for the public still |
| 01:19.36 | Cyorxamp | wtf is up with you? |
| 01:19.47 | summatusmentis | SlickMcSly, ok, that's kind of what I thought |
| 01:20.48 | Cyorxamp | if you get a mirror with a whole in it you can fuck yourself with it |
| 01:21.00 | Cyorxamp | its probably the closest you'll get to sex |
| 01:21.49 | SlickMcSly | i get the feeling i've been unignored, in which case: don't spam the channel with personal attacks, pm me |
| 01:22.04 | SlickMcSly | i'll ignore it, but don't bother others with it |
| 01:22.28 | Cyorxamp | I have a rude little head |
| 01:23.20 | Cyorxamp | Can someone tell me wtf I am supposed to do now? |
| 01:23.29 | Cyorxamp | Yet again the OZ installer has messed up for unknown reasons |
| 01:23.45 | Cyorxamp | tbh id be supprised if there any -known- reasons |
| 01:30.19 | SlickMcSly | any1 have any experience with the oqo? know of any rally points (web, irc) for oqo or umpc discussion in general? |
| 01:31.13 | summatusmentis | oesf.org/forums do a screenname search for meanie |
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| 01:31.37 | summatusmentis | he'll have a link in his sig for his page, and has a page about oqo experiences on there |
| 01:31.59 | SlickMcSly | cool, ta! |
| 01:33.10 | SlickMcSly | i'm looking for a "device to end all device [purchases]" |
| 01:33.35 | summatusmentis | SlickMcSly, http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myZaurus/ |
| 01:33.42 | SlickMcSly | i'm on it, thx |
| 01:34.39 | summatusmentis | I though he linked from it there...maybe not |
| 01:35.22 | SlickMcSly | it does, it's at the bottom |
| 01:35.52 | summatusmentis | ok |
| 01:37.33 | summatusmentis | SlickMcSly, you want pda/phone/camera/<insert here> all in one device? |
| 01:37.58 | SlickMcSly | no, i'm not that greedy... |
| 01:38.17 | summatusmentis | then what is it you're looking for? |
| 01:38.55 | SlickMcSly | i want vga, cellular, and wifi |
| 01:39.05 | SlickMcSly | but the oqo has x86 so i'm making an exception |
| 01:39.26 | summatusmentis | I think some people got ubuntu running on the oqo also |
| 01:39.49 | SlickMcSly | yeah i saw those links. i was hoping there was some community site or forum dedicated to the issue |
| 01:40.08 | SlickMcSly | i'm looking to get off of desktop dependency |
| 01:40.14 | summatusmentis | yeah |
| 01:40.21 | SlickMcSly | but there's so much binary only software that's x86 only |
| 01:40.29 | SlickMcSly | flash player being the worst of it |
| 01:40.33 | summatusmentis | this is true, laptop? |
| 01:40.45 | SlickMcSly | too big, i want something i don't need to "deploy" |
| 01:40.54 | SlickMcSly | you can't stand up with a laptop |
| 01:41.00 | summatusmentis | hrm... |
| 01:41.16 | SlickMcSly | even the small ones are risky if it's not mounted somewhere |
| 01:41.34 | SlickMcSly | tablet comes close but still a little too big |
| 01:41.34 | Kevin` | what kinda stuff you you need to do with mobile device? |
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| 01:42.15 | SlickMcSly | i want web browsing, openoffice absolutely, something things are negotiable |
| 01:42.39 | SlickMcSly | usb host and cellular access would be nice |
| 01:42.47 | Kevin` | hmm, I haven't tested openoffice on mine |
| 01:43.09 | SlickMcSly | i've read some posts and even on the cxx00 it's pretty slow |
| 01:43.33 | SlickMcSly | it'd just use abiword but it has a lot of short comings for technical documents |
| 01:43.42 | SlickMcSly | equations, pics, diagrams, etc |
| 01:43.43 | Kevin` | I have a c3200, if you remind me sometime after I install openoffice, however you do that, i'd check |
| 01:43.53 | Kevin` | I use abiword regularly though |
| 01:44.16 | SlickMcSly | there's no wysiwyg equation editor for abiword is there? |
| 01:44.34 | Kevin` | I never needed somthing like that, I don't know |
| 01:46.18 | SlickMcSly | i got a 1.7GHz 1GB RAM desktop and i still see performance issues with oo.org. i don't imagine a 416MHz (or even 624MHz) 64MB RAM pda could ever run it fast enough |
| 01:46.38 | SlickMcSly | also, video transcoding is an issue |
| 01:46.49 | Kevin` | newer OO versions go faster then old I think |
| 01:47.05 | Cyorxamp | OO is kinda bloaty |
| 01:47.23 | Kevin` | I predict within a few weeks someone will come out with an accellerated mplayer again |
| 01:47.24 | Cyorxamp | think i'd rather have the seperate simpler apps |
| 01:48.28 | SlickMcSly | there doesn't need to be an optimized mplayer video out right? pxafb_overlay (is that even accelerated) and bvdd using sdl should both be transparent right? |
| 01:49.12 | Kevin` | I don't think the fb is accellerated |
| 01:49.19 | Kevin` | it seems like a logical thing to do |
| 01:49.26 | Kevin` | but I don't know how to code such a thing |
| 01:50.05 | SlickMcSly | sashz frmo pdax posted a coding example, it's like normal fb coding, only you HAVE to assign a resolution before using |
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| 01:50.30 | SlickMcSly | i think it's just a normal fb device, 1 layer among others |
| 01:51.06 | SlickMcSly | i wish i could locate the pdax acceleration patch used on the 2.6 kernel |
| 01:51.13 | SlickMcSly | any1 know which one it is? |
| 01:51.38 | SlickMcSly | i got the builder files but i can't identify it or locate a link to it |
| 01:51.55 | SlickMcSly | if i had video accel in 2.6 i'd stick with a Z |
| 01:53.15 | SlickMcSly | ah |
| 01:54.11 | SlickMcSly | summatusmentis, do you have an pending questions? i could try to answer them so you can log off or send you a copy of the chat history when you come back |
| 01:54.31 | SlickMcSly | wam, isn't there a website that logs the OZ channel? |
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| 01:54.45 | summatusmentis | SlickMcSly, I'm sorry, I haven't really been paying attention, questions about what? |
| 01:54.45 | SlickMcSly | ibot has something to do with it |
| 01:55.14 | SlickMcSly | summatusmentis, i was wondering if you were staying online waiting for a reply to one of your questions |
| 01:55.18 | SlickMcSly | .bot test |
| 01:55.20 | SlickMcSly | .ibot test |
| 01:55.26 | SlickMcSly | .ibot google test |
| 01:55.44 | SlickMcSly | ibot does something |
| 01:55.56 | summatusmentis | SlickMcSly, no, not really, I'm a HS senior w/ no real life, so I'm here ;-) |
| 01:56.09 | summatusmentis | i think the '~' character triggers it |
| 01:56.16 | SlickMcSly | ~ibot google test |
| 01:56.29 | Kevin` | ~help |
| 01:56.41 | SlickMcSly | i'm close, college senior w/ pt job and still no life |
| 01:57.08 | summatusmentis | heh |
| 01:57.43 | SlickMcSly | but if i had a oqo, then all the chicks would love me |
| 01:57.44 | summatusmentis | oh, you bought from pricejapan? |
| 01:57.49 | SlickMcSly | yeah |
| 01:57.56 | summatusmentis | I'm sure that's it, cuz chicks dig computers |
| 01:58.10 | SlickMcSly | i posted a link to geekstuff4u.com where it's cheaper |
| 01:58.12 | Cyorxamp | 30 yeahs ago maybe |
| 01:58.27 | summatusmentis | I guess I dont' fully understand how streamlinecpus vs. pricejapan works... |
| 01:58.33 | summatusmentis | yeah, I've still got the link |
| 01:58.53 | Cyorxamp | ok im gettin the zaurus to make this loopback again, only this time ive gone all the way into opie first |
| 01:59.10 | Cyorxamp | now i just hope it can install opie to sd instead of just booting from the ram |
| 01:59.12 | SlickMcSly | you can buy the host cable in stores, it's jut a general mini-usb -> full usb female |
| 01:59.31 | NAbyss | SlickMcSly: You have to make sure it's a mini-A, and not mini-B . |
| 01:59.46 | NAbyss | mini-A has a pulldown resistor between two pins, iirc |
| 01:59.57 | SlickMcSly | is it the same form factor? |
| 02:00.04 | Kevin` | yes |
| 02:00.11 | SlickMcSly | scary |
| 02:00.13 | Kevin` | well, the zaurus end of it |
| 02:00.18 | NAbyss | Slightly different outside shroud |
| 02:00.40 | SlickMcSly | that resistor triggers host mode? |
| 02:01.13 | Kevin` | thinking of making a cable with a switch and 2 ends? :) |
| 02:01.37 | NAbyss | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:USB_Mini-A%2C_B_Plugs.PNG |
| 02:01.42 | NAbyss | SlickMcSly: Yes |
| 02:01.54 | summatusmentis | SlickMcSly, I'm worried about shipping costs et al |
| 02:02.03 | SlickMcSly | nah, just want video accel in 2.6 for cxx00 or i'm selling my z all together |
| 02:02.31 | summatusmentis | what/ |
| 02:03.04 | SlickMcSly | pdax 2.6 kernel has an accel hack, but i can't find the patch in the build software |
| 02:03.27 | Cyorxamp | ok its made the loopback file |
| 02:03.34 | Kevin` | I think the newest OZ kernel has this also, but no libs compiled for it.. |
| 02:04.12 | Cyorxamp | wow i think its working |
| 02:04.21 | Cyorxamp | i think it was the bootstrap initrd that was crapping out |
| 02:05.25 | Cyorxamp | i select option 1 on the second altboot screen? right? |
| 02:05.36 | Cyorxamp | cuz its the sd card |
| 02:05.48 | SlickMcSly | i don't think OZ has acceleration at all because mplayer is accelerated using fbdev in pdax but not OZ |
| 02:05.49 | Cyorxamp | ffs its finally working |
| 02:06.47 | Cyorxamp | oh god damn it not again |
| 02:07.02 | Cyorxamp | how do i get past the stupid 'new storage medium detected' screens? |
| 02:07.12 | Cyorxamp | its a gui just before Opie loads |
| 02:07.27 | Cyorxamp | looks like the dialog box is bigger than the screen itself? |
| 02:07.32 | Cyorxamp | anyone? CoreDump|afk? |
| 02:08.16 | Cyorxamp | what an absolutely retarded dialog box |
| 02:09.30 | Cyorxamp | what the hell am i supposed to do about it? |
| 02:09.42 | Cyorxamp | is this retarded oversight #934 or something? |
| 02:10.26 | Cyorxamp | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=21324 |
| 02:10.31 | Cyorxamp | infact someone else has had this |
| 02:10.58 | Cyorxamp | but naturally i cant take the sd out as that is what its booting from! |
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| 02:12.13 | Cyorxamp | I'd just like you all to know... really really hate you all for being smug bastards without a fucking clue |
| 02:12.33 | SlickMcSly | is he trying not to get helped? |
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| 02:12.42 | Cyorxamp | I'm beyond caring |
| 02:12.48 | kantlivelong | hey all |
| 02:12.56 | Cyorxamp | I'm like 1 nano breath away from this finally fucking working |
| 02:12.56 | summatusmentis | hey there kantlivelong |
| 02:13.01 | SlickMcSly | hey kantlivelong |
| 02:13.07 | kantlivelong | is there a way i can install altboot on a bootstrap fs? |
| 02:13.25 | Cyorxamp | CoreDump... you may have some good ideas but your implementation sucks like a donkeys cock |
| 02:13.29 | SlickMcSly | it isn't installed by default? |
| 02:13.52 | SlickMcSly | if not then sd/cf is the easiest |
| 02:14.28 | SlickMcSly | use http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/fb/ to dl the package and it's dependencies |
| 02:14.41 | Cyorxamp | ok new Q... when i eventually get in opie - will it keep itself updated? its got a wifi card in it |
| 02:14.46 | Cyorxamp | yes/no ? |
| 02:14.58 | SlickMcSly | no |
| 02:15.07 | Cyorxamp | why not! |
| 02:15.46 | SlickMcSly | because updates can break things, and it's generally bad practice for a computer to administer itself |
| 02:16.03 | Cyorxamp | umm... many a linux distro self-updates after a prompt here and there |
| 02:16.25 | summatusmentis | does OZ have cron? |
| 02:16.28 | kantlivelong | is there a way to install altboot using a bootstrap fs? |
| 02:17.29 | kantlivelong | ... |
| 02:17.51 | SlickMcSly | when you're dealing with a distro designed to live within a specific software set it can work, but OZ changes so much (eg altboot) i wouldnt' try it |
| 02:18.20 | SlickMcSly | kantlivelong, are sd and cf not an option? do you have usd0 networking setup? |
| 02:18.25 | summatusmentis | good night all |
| 02:18.27 | SlickMcSly | err usb networking |
| 02:18.31 | SlickMcSly | summatusmentis, cya |
| 02:19.13 | kantlivelong | SlickMcSly: i have no networking right now... and i want to install a bootstrap fs on the fllash w/ alboot.. then have the real opie/gpe fs on SD |
| 02:20.23 | SlickMcSly | kantlivelong, you want to use loopback or use the card directly as root? |
| 02:20.45 | kantlivelong | SlickMcSly: a direct fs on the sd... no loop img |
| 02:21.33 | Cyorxamp | kantlivelong, don't! |
| 02:21.41 | Cyorxamp | direct fs is buggy as fuck |
| 02:22.01 | kantlivelong | Cyorxamp: y? |
| 02:22.14 | SlickMcSly | isn't there a menu option in altboot to boot from sd? you could flash opie, extract to the card, then use the menu |
| 02:22.18 | Cyorxamp | dunno but me and kev were trying for like 6 hours |
| 02:22.23 | Cyorxamp | in the end it wrecked my sd card |
| 02:22.32 | SlickMcSly | it's not, it's been used succesfully many times by many ppl |
| 02:22.57 | Cyorxamp | ok im gonna do it right now :P |
| 02:23.02 | Cyorxamp | and i'll prove the point |
| 02:23.17 | SlickMcSly | i'm sure it'll fail, but it won't be a the pda's fault... |
| 02:23.31 | kantlivelong | SlickMcSly: i just dont wanan waste space on the cf |
| 02:23.32 | SlickMcSly | or if it is the pda, it's the hardware |
| 02:23.43 | SlickMcSly | kantlivelong, you want a compressed filesystem? |
| 02:23.55 | kantlivelong | SlickMcSly: id prefer direct fs |
| 02:24.33 | Cyorxamp | say bye byes to ur sd then |
| 02:24.44 | kantlivelong | Cyorxamp: y |
| 02:24.45 | SlickMcSly | then you can extract to the card and use the altboot menu, if it's not there i can send you my boot script |
| 02:25.01 | kantlivelong | SlickMcSly: i dont have altboot.. |
| 02:25.16 | SlickMcSly | the opie image you're using doesn't have altboot? |
| 02:25.21 | kantlivelong | SlickMcSly: ive been asking how to get it w/o a full opie img |
| 02:25.31 | Cyorxamp | bootstrap may work |
| 02:25.35 | Cyorxamp | but bootstrap always fucks up |
| 02:25.45 | SlickMcSly | ooooohohoho |
| 02:25.57 | Cyorxamp | everything infact fucks up |
| 02:26.03 | kantlivelong | idk y but this distro seems so sloppy |
| 02:26.09 | Cyorxamp | exactly :P |
| 02:26.12 | kantlivelong | i give it credit for its efforts |
| 02:26.23 | kantlivelong | but i thnk it needs reworking |
| 02:26.31 | Cyorxamp | half the time the site doesnt bloody work |
| 02:27.09 | SlickMcSly | kantlivelong, what exactly i the setup you're using? |
| 02:28.12 | Cyorxamp | ok direct fs :P here goes |
| 02:28.15 | kantlivelong | SlickMcSly: i have a sl-5600 |
| 02:28.35 | kantlivelong | i wanna use bootstrap w/ altboot on the flash |
| 02:28.38 | Cyorxamp | option 8 |
| 02:28.47 | kantlivelong | but i have no net on it |
| 02:28.57 | kantlivelong | so i cant just ipkg it |
| 02:29.14 | Cyorxamp | installing... |
| 02:29.18 | Cyorxamp | lets wait for fuck up |
| 02:30.03 | SlickMcSly | what image do you have flashed onto the collie's internal flash? |
| 02:30.13 | kantlivelong | SlickMcSly: i use poodle |
| 02:30.18 | Cyorxamp | hentges opie rc1 |
| 02:31.03 | Cyorxamp | oh look it fAILED! |
| 02:31.12 | kantlivelong | Cyorxamp: you complain too much |
| 02:31.15 | Cyorxamp | and just when you had left for some crap tv show |
| 02:31.35 | Cyorxamp | im complaining at SlickMcSly for being an egotistical shit |
| 02:32.18 | Cyorxamp | and this must be the 6th long nighter (its 3:30am here) that ive done getting this fucking thing to work |
| 02:32.29 | Cyorxamp | so im pissed |
| 02:33.27 | kantlivelong | shoulda researched things more |
| 02:33.36 | kantlivelong | im prolly gonna recompile the kernel myself |
| 02:33.39 | Cyorxamp | you dont even have a fucking clue what i ahve or have not done |
| 02:33.46 | Cyorxamp | so dont be a smart ass shithead |
| 02:34.16 | kantlivelong | then make it work and stop complaining.. its a linux compatible device.. you just need to make it work |
| 02:34.34 | Cyorxamp | ha! easier said than done |
| 02:35.37 | kantlivelong | obviously |
| 02:35.42 | kantlivelong | its not suposed to be easy |
| 02:35.53 | Cyorxamp | Oh thats a nice idea isn't it? |
| 02:35.59 | Cyorxamp | Linux: It's not supposed to be easy! |
| 02:36.00 | Cyorxamp | lmao! |
| 02:36.11 | kantlivelong | not on a handheld device |
| 02:36.20 | Cyorxamp | Ah stop spouting shit |
| 02:36.33 | kantlivelong | laf |
| 02:36.56 | kantlivelong | hmm |
| 02:37.00 | kantlivelong | got it working |
| 02:37.16 | kantlivelong | manually installed altboot |
| 02:37.29 | JustinP | kantlivelong: don't encourage him |
| 02:37.36 | kantlivelong | JustinP: haha |
| 02:37.42 | Cyorxamp | Yeah, don't encourage me |
| 02:37.48 | kantlivelong | why doesnt neone just kick him |
| 02:37.49 | Cyorxamp | I'll eat you alive for breakfast |
| 02:38.02 | Cyorxamp | Because when things go good I'm rather nice :P |
| 02:38.08 | Cyorxamp | But at the moment I'm a shithead |
| 02:38.20 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: then you're not welcome |
| 02:38.31 | Cyorxamp | Shut the fuck up |
| 02:38.32 | kantlivelong | channels arent meant for bipolar users |
| 02:38.34 | Cyorxamp | (see?) |
| 02:38.40 | Cyorxamp | lol |
| 02:38.46 | JustinP | kantlivelong: because....AFAIK...no-one has the power.... |
| 02:38.55 | kantlivelong | thats wack |
| 02:39.03 | Cyorxamp | wack? eh? |
| 02:39.06 | Cyorxamp | oh deary me |
| 02:39.13 | JustinP | if you can't be nice when you're asking for help then you're not welcome |
| 02:39.18 | kantlivelong | JustinP: you use altboot? |
| 02:39.32 | JustinP | kantlivelong: extensively |
| 02:39.33 | Cyorxamp | I am not nice when I ask for help and i get egotistical shits not helping but hindering |
| 02:39.38 | kantlivelong | JustinP: can i PM you? |
| 02:39.51 | Cyorxamp | as per fucking usual |
| 02:40.02 | kantlivelong | no one helps rude people |
| 02:40.11 | Cyorxamp | Oh they do :P |
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| 02:53.47 | Cyorxamp | Whats the diff between using cardfs and "install to sd" on the altboot menu? |
| 02:53.57 | Cyorxamp | surely the altboot way is more complete? |
| 02:54.14 | Cyorxamp | whereas cardfs is a bunch of symlinks or something? |
| 02:56.07 | Cyorxamp | i.e. rootfs vs cardfs ? |
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| 03:23.44 | TheFool | and I thought I complained a lot when asking questions... |
| 03:23.51 | Cyorxamp | stfu |
| 03:24.18 | TheFool | Cyorxamp: as far as I can tell they both sorta do the same thing, but altboot is a cleaner way of doing it |
| 03:24.28 | Cyorxamp | well it never fucking works |
| 03:24.41 | TheFool | Cyorxamp: what doesn't exactly? |
| 03:24.43 | Cyorxamp | it gets as far as that stupid dialog box about 'what shall i do about the sd card' |
| 03:24.50 | Cyorxamp | and u cant click cancel or X |
| 03:24.55 | Cyorxamp | cuz the resolution is all fucked |
| 03:25.07 | Cyorxamp | and naturally u cant take the sd out either as its fucking booting from it |
| 03:25.22 | Cyorxamp | here...http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19980 |
| 03:25.31 | Cyorxamp | many more people are screwed by thbis |
| 03:25.43 | Cyorxamp | no good solution as of yet |
| 03:25.48 | Cyorxamp | OZ is a joke |
| 03:26.34 | TheFool | well first off OZ is far from a joke, altboot may be broken, but that doesn't mean the whole OS is |
| 03:26.51 | Cyorxamp | its all broke |
| 03:26.56 | TheFool | my suggestion would be to simply try cardfs |
| 03:27.10 | Cyorxamp | and does cardfs give me 64mb of usable ram? |
| 03:27.15 | Cyorxamp | like the altboot way does? |
| 03:27.50 | TheFool | no reason it shouldn't (maybe a tad bit less) but yea it just sticks a boot image on the zaurus and the rest is on the SD |
| 03:28.13 | Cyorxamp | but the zaurus (as its been flashed) ALREADY has opie on it |
| 03:28.18 | Cyorxamp | are u sayin it gets deleted? |
| 03:29.02 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: you obviously know nothing about your zaurus and have not been listening to those who do |
| 03:29.03 | TheFool | hmm never worked with one I didn't mind wiping, let me gogole around a bit I am sure you can do it without deleting your system |
| 03:29.22 | Cyorxamp | no i dont give a damn about wiping it |
| 03:29.30 | Cyorxamp | if its booting entirely from SD thats fine |
| 03:29.36 | Cyorxamp | but nothing ever fucking works |
| 03:29.45 | Cyorxamp | not cardfs, not loopback and CERTAINLY not direct fs |
| 03:29.49 | TheFool | well you can always go back to the sharp rom |
| 03:30.03 | Cyorxamp | sharp rom works... but doesnt boot from SD does it>? |
| 03:30.09 | Cyorxamp | so kinda pointless |
| 03:30.12 | TheFool | no, nor does it need to |
| 03:30.21 | Cyorxamp | well I want something that does |
| 03:30.24 | TheFool | you can install all your programs on the sd |
| 03:30.27 | Cyorxamp | and theres 3 methods here and none seem to work |
| 03:30.55 | Cyorxamp | I've already ruined one 512mb sd card trying direct fs |
| 03:32.11 | TheFool | just so I know what model Z do you have? |
| 03:32.17 | Cyorxamp | collie |
| 03:33.13 | TheFool | great this should definitely work then |
| 03:33.20 | TheFool | http://www.hentges.net/misc/openzaurus/docs/cardfs_howto.shtml#installation |
| 03:33.22 | Cyorxamp | no! it doesn;t |
| 03:33.32 | Cyorxamp | yeah ive read that already einstein |
| 03:33.54 | Cyorxamp | i dont give a damn about cardfs as its not entirely on the SD |
| 03:33.58 | Cyorxamp | I want it booting FROM the sd |
| 03:34.01 | TheFool | I am sure you have, have you tried it? Plenty of other people have and it worked for them |
| 03:34.15 | TheFool | WHY? |
| 03:34.16 | Cyorxamp | i dont want to try it - its not what I want! |
| 03:34.21 | Cyorxamp | Have you tried gay sex? |
| 03:34.43 | JustinP | and too immature to listen to those who know better than him |
| 03:34.59 | Cyorxamp | Ah your attitude stinks just as much as mine |
| 03:35.05 | TheFool | why must it boot from the SD, who freaking cares what it boots from, the whole point of it booting from the SD is to clear space for RAM installing apps to the SD does that... |
| 03:35.26 | Cyorxamp | because there will be MORE space free in RAM when booting TOTALLY from SD |
| 03:35.47 | Cyorxamp | I don't want anything but a boot header on the zaurus |
| 03:36.01 | TheFool | yea a handful of MB's not enough to go through the headache involved in booting from an SD |
| 03:36.16 | Cyorxamp | it is for me |
| 03:36.35 | Cyorxamp | Now are you or are you not competant to help in the thing I am actually trying to do? |
| 03:36.42 | Cyorxamp | Or just wasting my time with stuff I don't want to do? |
| 03:36.59 | SlickMcSly | no1 is compotent Cyorxamp, leave now |
| 03:37.01 | TheFool | Cyorxamp: in that case you have one choice, it's called altboot, if that doesn't work your sorta sol. That is if you don't want to write your own bootloader |
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| 03:37.24 | Cyorxamp | Yeah I have tried altboot MILLIONS of times by now |
| 03:37.35 | Cyorxamp | I can boot into my SD card using altboot |
| 03:37.37 | kantlivelong | can swap be file based? or must it be a partition? |
| 03:37.43 | Cyorxamp | and then i get that retarded dialog box! |
| 03:37.51 | SlickMcSly | i think you could do a loopback swap |
| 03:38.03 | Cyorxamp | the one saying 'oh theres a sd card' ... who gives a flying fuck |
| 03:38.11 | Cyorxamp | just load opie - and u cant get rid of it |
| 03:38.20 | Cyorxamp | SlickMcSly, I already AM! |
| 03:38.22 | Cyorxamp | oh FFS |
| 03:39.11 | SlickMcSly | kantlivelong, when you use mount -o loop there's a hidden step where /dev/loop is [something]ed to the file and it become a normal device |
| 03:39.19 | Cyorxamp | the loopback file exists, it boots it perfectly fine |
| 03:39.28 | Cyorxamp | opie loads for first time and a dialog box comes up |
| 03:39.35 | Cyorxamp | which is too big for the resolution |
| 03:39.40 | Cyorxamp | asking what i wanna do with the sd card |
| 03:39.56 | Cyorxamp | normally to get around this bug (since u cant get past the dialog box since res is fucked) u take out the sd |
| 03:40.00 | SlickMcSly | if you find that step (assuming there is one) you shold be able to use it to turn a file into a device node and mount it like swap |
| 03:40.03 | Cyorxamp | but I cant since its booting from the fucker |
| 03:40.06 | TheFool | well you have an OK button, if resolution is the ONLY problem you can just click it. |
| 03:40.12 | Cyorxamp | NO! ok doesnt work |
| 03:40.19 | SlickMcSly | Cyorxamp, i was talking to kantlivelong |
| 03:40.24 | kantlivelong | :) |
| 03:40.24 | Cyorxamp | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19980 |
| 03:40.44 | Cyorxamp | Many more people have had this stupid dialog box |
| 03:42.40 | TheFool | Cyorxamp: there also seems to be solutions there. |
| 03:43.09 | Cyorxamp | none appropriate |
| 03:43.14 | SlickMcSly | kantlivelong, check the man page on swapon. it says you and use a file straight out, but you'd need something outside of fstab for that route |
| 03:43.18 | Cyorxamp | i havent a clue about usb networking or ssh |
| 03:43.23 | Cyorxamp | and the first solution doesnt work |
| 03:44.02 | kantlivelong | kk |
| 03:44.23 | TheFool | well usb networking is rather simple and ssh is built in doesn't require too much knoledge. It seems to be the only work around. I suggest concentrating your efforts on trying it. |
| 03:45.01 | Cyorxamp | and that means having a linux box don't it? |
| 03:45.20 | TheFool | nope there are freeware apps for windows that allow you to ssh |
| 03:45.36 | Cyorxamp | well i can put a wifi card in the fucker... will that help? |
| 03:45.55 | Cyorxamp | whack a wifi cf in it and connect to 192.168.0.9 over some win-app |
| 03:46.28 | kantlivelong | bah i hate loop images |
| 03:46.35 | kantlivelong | im just gonna use a true fs |
| 03:46.47 | Cyorxamp | bye bye SD card :P |
| 03:46.57 | kantlivelong | Cyorxamp: why would it hhurt it |
| 03:47.04 | TheFool | I beleive so, (can't confirm as I haven't tried) but that may get around the need to connect via USB |
| 03:47.22 | Cyorxamp | because it never fucking works and ull end up formatting and reformatting so many times it will fuck up |
| 03:47.36 | Cyorxamp | TheFool: ok and the name of this app? |
| 03:47.39 | kantlivelong | Cyorxamp: maybe for you :) nothing wrong w/ formatting a sd |
| 03:48.04 | Cyorxamp | kantlivelong, no there aint for me either - worked fine on my linux box |
| 03:48.10 | Cyorxamp | but OZ is an incompetant piece of shit |
| 03:48.17 | kantlivelong | haha then dont use it |
| 03:48.30 | Cyorxamp | its the best there is, im stuck with it |
| 03:48.36 | kantlivelong | hwh |
| 03:48.41 | kantlivelong | theres gentoo for it |
| 03:48.47 | kantlivelong | which i was debating to try |
| 03:48.50 | Cyorxamp | wha whhahwh wha!? |
| 03:48.54 | kantlivelong | or make ur own os |
| 03:48.58 | Cyorxamp | link! |
| 03:49.01 | Cyorxamp | link link link! |
| 03:49.29 | kantlivelong | http://www.opensistemas.com/Gentoo_for_Zaurus.715.0.html |
| 03:49.32 | Cyorxamp | gentooforzaurus.opensistemas.com/ |
| 03:49.55 | kantlivelong | TheFool: ahaha |
| 03:49.56 | Cyorxamp | TheFool, you haven't been through what I have |
| 03:50.10 | TheFool | been through a stage 1 gentoo install though |
| 03:50.18 | kantlivelong | same |
| 03:50.18 | Cyorxamp | At this stage I feel like knocking down a wall with my fists in anger |
| 03:50.22 | kantlivelong | i use gentoo as my main os |
| 03:50.40 | Cyorxamp | ok the sd is booting for the first time/.... TheFool |
| 03:50.55 | TheFool | I actually switched to kanotix |
| 03:50.59 | Cyorxamp | do i wanna store ipkg crap in ram? yes/no ? |
| 03:51.04 | kantlivelong | i got a bootstrap w/ altboot.. works awsome |
| 03:51.06 | TheFool | heck no |
| 03:51.25 | Cyorxamp | do i wanna keep sd cf /home targit thingies?! |
| 03:51.29 | Cyorxamp | yes/no# |
| 03:51.40 | Cyorxamp | default is no |
| 03:51.42 | TheFool | you install it in ram you 1. waste ram 2. get your apps wiped when you reboot |
| 03:51.52 | kantlivelong | yep |
| 03:51.53 | kantlivelong | = lame |
| 03:51.55 | TheFool | yea |
| 03:52.04 | Cyorxamp | so no to the second question too!? |
| 03:52.36 | Cyorxamp | Do you want to keep the SD, CF and /home ipkg installation targets? [N:y] ? |
| 03:53.17 | kantlivelong | oz isnt bad acctually |
| 03:53.21 | Cyorxamp | fuck it ill say No |
| 03:53.22 | kantlivelong | it just needs some revamping |
| 03:53.26 | TheFool | well I don't know as I don't know what those targets are... I would assume that it would be best to just let it set them, so no |
| 03:53.56 | kantlivelong | the whole fs bins are unreliable |
| 03:53.58 | Cyorxamp | ok booting from the 2nd altboot now |
| 03:54.00 | Cyorxamp | so its loading up |
| 03:54.07 | SlickMcSly | oqo doesn't look so sexy anymore: half the battery life and twice the weight of a zaurus c1k, heat issues, a poor ergonomics |
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| 03:54.17 | TheFool | yay, so what solved your problem? |
| 03:54.24 | Cyorxamp | NOTHING! |
| 03:54.29 | Cyorxamp | This IS not the problem |
| 03:54.29 | TheFool | lol |
| 03:54.34 | Cyorxamp | Your not even listening! |
| 03:54.47 | SlickMcSly | Cyorxamp, your attitude makes that difficult |
| 03:55.09 | Cyorxamp | If you were in my shoes you'd have the SAME attitude |
| 03:55.26 | Cyorxamp | after SO many nights in here fucking about on tiny freakin keyboard typing in bollox |
| 03:55.26 | NAbyss | Hardly. |
| 03:55.34 | SlickMcSly | i wouldn't be in your shoes because i'd have a better attitude and get more help |
| 03:55.38 | TheFool | ah sorry misunderstood when you said you got it booting |
| 03:55.52 | Cyorxamp | ok now its installing CF |
| 03:55.56 | Cyorxamp | i mean CardFS |
| 03:56.10 | Cyorxamp | after this it'll boot Opie right? |
| 03:56.28 | Cyorxamp | and before it says 'welcome' a gui dialog box will come up asking me what I wanna do with the SD card (like an autorun) |
| 03:56.37 | Cyorxamp | but the resolution is fucked and i cant click the X in the corner |
| 03:56.44 | Cyorxamp | So.... well im fucked :S |
| 03:56.49 | Cyorxamp | i cant get into opie |
| 03:57.00 | Cyorxamp | now do u know the problem? |
| 03:57.25 | kantlivelong | !away |
| 03:57.26 | cdbot | kantlivelong: Don't know, don't care |
| 03:57.41 | SlickMcSly | oh cdbot is it |
| 03:57.49 | SlickMcSly | .cdbot google test |
| 03:57.55 | SlickMcSly | aw |
| 03:58.08 | Cyorxamp | ok cardfs is entirely wierd and full of error messages |
| 03:58.42 | Cyorxamp | this must be oh set back number #20045 ? |
| 03:58.48 | Cyorxamp | nothing fucking works! |
| 03:58.52 | TheFool | I find it interesting that you seem to have so many more issues then the rather larger community of collie users that have done the same exact thing. |
| 03:59.15 | Cyorxamp | show me the statistics |
| 03:59.30 | SlickMcSly | i bet he's a maemo zealot trying to make us look bad |
| 03:59.50 | Cyorxamp | i bet your an egotistic shit who needs to get laid |
| 03:59.51 | TheFool | ask anyone in this forum, most if not everyone got it running from SD on their collie |
| 04:00.13 | Cyorxamp | well its hung! |
| 04:00.25 | Cyorxamp | i told it to install cardfs from the image on my CF to / |
| 04:00.33 | Cyorxamp | and it cant up with a load of INIT lines |
| 04:00.44 | Cyorxamp | cannot execut getty |
| 04:00.46 | Cyorxamp | wtf is getty |
| 04:01.14 | TheFool | anyways I am going to sleep so good night, and good luck. My advice about following the forum's fix still stands, as this seems to be the "only" proven route. |
| 04:04.48 | Cyorxamp | then u get this shit |
| 04:04.56 | Cyorxamp | u reboot it cuz it freezes |
| 04:05.00 | Cyorxamp | then it wont mount any more |
| 04:05.06 | Cyorxamp | fs is fucked |
| 04:05.20 | Cyorxamp | ITS A JOKE! |
| 04:30.24 | joshin | Cyorxamp, what's wrong with your Zaurus? Don't terribly care to read 4 hours worth of logs. |
| 04:31.11 | joshin | Did your direct SD install blow up like I told you it would? |
| 04:36.45 | joshin | Cyorxamp: Dude. Um, wow. Way to treat people helping you! |
| 04:42.20 | JustinP | and good riddance |
| 04:43.45 | joshin | Yup. Night (here)! |
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| 05:09.02 | SlickMcSly | finally his bedtime, yay! |
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| 07:39.31 | hrw | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2006/10/26/mirrors-situation/ |
| 07:39.40 | hrw | CoreDump|afk: http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2006/10/26/mirrors-situation/ - feel free to edit |
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| 14:00.05 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 14:01.54 | hrw|work | 26 09:39 < hrw> CoreDump|afk: http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2006/10/26/mirrors-situation/ - feel free to edit |
| 14:02.49 | CoreDump|home | will do;) |
| 14:03.14 | CoreDump|home | btw, someone needs to update the linuxtogo mirror (whoever has access to it) |
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| 14:04.29 | CoreDump|home | hrw|work: contacts for all mirrors: http://mirror.hentges.net/www.openzaurus.org/.openzaurus-mirrors.txt |
| 14:08.28 | webmind | 3does anyone know anything about the zaurus expansion port ? |
| 14:08.33 | webmind | -3 |
| 14:08.40 | webmind | what it is used for for example |
| 14:11.13 | CoreDump|home | on SL-5x00 it's used for the dockingstation (obviously) and for bluetooth dongles / serial cables. On SL-Cxx00 it is just a JTAG connector AFAIK, dunno about cxx |
| 14:11.51 | webmind | any idea about the sl-6000 ? |
| 14:12.35 | webmind | I know it's not for the docking or serial.. since that's on an different connector already |
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| 14:17.07 | SlickMcSly | on the sl6k there's an exapnsion sleeve that provides a battery pack and extra cf slot, that may be it |
| 14:17.37 | webmind | hmm |
| 14:17.43 | webmind | that would be intresting :) |
| 14:20.16 | hrw|work | ~serial i/o |
| 14:20.32 | hrw|work | ~sharp i/o |
| 14:20.34 | ibot | well, sharp i/o is http://www.sharp.de/php/a_d.php?par=17_no_no_107 sio.zip, or http://www.sharp.de/pdat/sio.zip |
| 14:21.28 | hrw|work | ibot: sharp i/o is also port used for Serial/USB client/JTAG on sl-5x00/6000/c7x0 and as JTAG on cxx00 |
| 14:21.29 | ibot | hrw|work: okay |
| 14:21.31 | hrw|work | ~sharp i/o |
| 14:21.32 | ibot | [sharp i/o] http://www.sharp.de/php/a_d.php?par=17_no_no_107 sio.zip, or http://www.sharp.de/pdat/sio.zip, or port used for Serial/USB client/JTAG on sl-5x00/6000/c7x0 and as JTAG on cxx00 |
| 14:22.06 | hrw|work | cxx00 can use it as serial too but only one way and its unofficial |
| 14:22.18 | hrw|work | http://www.viewsonic.com/support/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/proseries/vp2290b/index.htm - I want one |
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| 14:23.00 | EJ | Hi, i've put the opie oz image on my card but when im in opie i cant see the sd card to use normally (using a loopback, so theres space free) and my wifi wont work neither |
| 14:23.24 | hrw|work | EJ: we do not support sl-a300 yet |
| 14:23.34 | EJ | no this is the collie |
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| 14:24.53 | hrw|work | ;( |
| 14:25.02 | EJ | :S |
| 14:25.23 | hrw|work | working sl-a300 (with good battery) would be nice... even without cf jacket |
| 14:25.36 | webmind | but I think it's indeed for the extra CF/Battery thing |
| 14:25.50 | hrw|work | webmind: bottom one is sharp i/o |
| 14:26.00 | hrw|work | webmind: top one (big one) is cf jacket one |
| 14:26.15 | EJ | does anyone why i cant access my sd card at all? |
| 14:26.20 | webmind | ah |
| 14:26.21 | webmind | ok |
| 14:26.30 | EJ | its obviously booting the loopback from it |
| 14:30.49 | hrw|work | EJ: collie (sl5000/5500) can be flashed ONLY from cf card |
| 14:30.55 | hrw|work | and boot only from flash |
| 14:32.18 | EJ | I don't see what new information you have given me |
| 14:33.14 | EJ | I flashed the bootstrap from CF, installed the loopback from the tarball on the CF to the loopback on the SD... it now boots from the SD |
| 14:33.39 | EJ | but when in Opie it cant see the SD for normal every day things (like accessing music) altho its obviously booting from it |
| 14:34.00 | EJ | and also it recognizes my wifi and knows its of type 'network' but wont bring up wlan0 |
| 14:34.12 | EJ | when the wifi card works fine on the sharp rom |
| 14:34.44 | hrw|work | 26 16:29 < EJ> Can I flash the sharp rom to an SD card? and boot from that? |
| 14:34.53 | EJ | Thats not this channel |
| 14:35.08 | EJ | If you want to respond to that seperate channel then do to in that channel |
| 14:35.09 | hrw|work | EJ: what card you have? |
| 14:35.13 | agaffney | doesn't mean you didn't say it :P |
| 14:35.28 | EJ | hrw|work, its a 1gb SD card |
| 14:35.39 | hrw|work | EJ: wifi card |
| 14:35.40 | agaffney | EJ: I think he meant wireless card |
| 14:35.53 | EJ | a D-Link DCF-660W |
| 14:36.12 | EJ | its thingy based, whats that chipset called? the one that works well |
| 14:36.21 | agaffney | ... |
| 14:36.23 | hrw|work | EJ: its prism2 based card |
| 14:36.28 | EJ | thats it prism2 |
| 14:36.32 | hrw|work | quite nice when work (mine is broken) |
| 14:36.55 | EJ | like i say it works fine on the sharp rom, nothing ever works on OZ |
| 14:37.03 | EJ | but then only OZ as far as i know can boot from SD |
| 14:37.25 | hrw|work | EJ: you have 3.5.4 with upgraded hostap-modules or plain 3.5.4? |
| 14:37.36 | EJ | plain 3.5.4 i think |
| 14:37.43 | EJ | ill find the mirror i used |
| 14:37.47 | hrw|work | should work.. |
| 14:37.54 | EJ | http://linuxtogo.org/mirror/openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/images/collie/ |
| 14:38.48 | agaffney | EJ: my prism2 card works fine in OZ on my collie |
| 14:39.02 | EJ | well something is a miss here |
| 14:39.34 | EJ | anyone feel like getting onto the diagnosing part of this excersize? |
| 14:39.48 | hrw|work | EJ: not until sunday |
| 14:40.30 | EJ | Your not funny |
| 14:41.27 | hrw|work | EJ: I have many things to do, but I can flash my collie with 3.5.4 and test it with dcf-660w during sunday |
| 14:41.51 | EJ | wether it works or does not, how would it even remotely help my situation? |
| 14:42.06 | hrw|work | EJ: test one thing for me |
| 14:42.20 | hrw|work | eject wifi card, reboot |
| 14:42.21 | EJ | ok... what? |
| 14:42.31 | EJ | lol, already done that before |
| 14:42.34 | hrw|work | insert wifi card and tell me which module it loaded: orinoco_cs or hostap_cs |
| 14:43.03 | EJ | how do i work that out? |
| 14:43.08 | NAbyss | lsmod | head |
| 14:43.11 | agaffney | lsmod |
| 14:43.17 | EJ | well its rebooting |
| 14:44.45 | EJ | infact it wont get past the OZ logo now |
| 14:45.12 | EJ | you know, screw it - oz isnt work it. im sellin this and getting an ipaq |
| 14:45.21 | hrw|work | so you have something really fscked |
| 14:45.31 | hrw|work | 3.5.4 was working on collie when was released |
| 14:45.43 | EJ | yeah OZ is fucked, always has been |
| 14:45.47 | hrw|work | it was tested by ~50 testers |
| 14:46.09 | hrw|work | EJ: and users always complain nevermind what happen |
| 14:46.13 | EJ | well its decided to boot now. i did a proper reset instead of Settings|Shutdown |
| 14:46.19 | agaffney | OZ 3.5.4 works just fine on my collie |
| 14:46.29 | agaffney | including my prism2 card |
| 14:46.31 | hrw|work | EJ: go, buy ipaq, meet other problems with same software? |
| 14:46.39 | agaffney | with SD loopback boot even |
| 14:46.58 | EJ | at least with an ipaq i have the option to give up on linux and try something that actually works - windows |
| 14:47.21 | hrw|work | EJ: then go for it ;) |
| 14:47.23 | EJ | ok opie is back up |
| 14:47.29 | EJ | im puttin the wifi back in |
| 14:47.39 | hrw|work | still using collie? |
| 14:47.49 | EJ | successfully activated card in socket #0 (it sez) |
| 14:47.52 | EJ | yeah collie |
| 14:47.56 | EJ | so what? lsmod? |
| 14:48.04 | hrw|work | lsmod |
| 14:48.28 | EJ | it just lists sharp_mmcs_m |
| 14:49.03 | hrw|work | only? |
| 14:49.11 | EJ | yes... only |
| 14:49.15 | hrw|work | do me a favour: 'ipkg configure' |
| 14:49.29 | EJ | nothing to be done |
| 14:49.40 | hrw|work | so 'depmod' |
| 14:49.54 | EJ | io error |
| 14:50.03 | hrw|work | so you have fscked system |
| 14:50.09 | EJ | why? |
| 14:50.17 | joshin | EJ: How you doing Cyxoramp? |
| 14:50.18 | hrw|work | collie does not like your sd card? |
| 14:50.45 | EJ | bugger knows |
| 14:50.49 | EJ | its brand new |
| 14:52.18 | kerwood | When a USB<->serial interface is plugged into an OZ system, shouldn't a /dev/ttyUSB0 device be present? |
| 14:53.13 | joshin | Hmmm: Cyorxamp [n=Cyorxamp@87.112.21.19.bbplus.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] & EJ [n=EvilJane@87.113.5.7.bbplus.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] |
| 14:53.53 | EJ | should I reflash? |
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| 15:01.09 | hrw|work | try to boot from flash instead of sd and then check does card works |
| 15:01.30 | EJ | ok |
| 15:01.59 | Coviti | EJ = Cyorxamp |
| 15:02.03 | Coviti | Cyorxamp = Troll |
| 15:02.07 | Coviti | You are warned |
| 15:02.29 | EJ | its booting |
| 15:02.45 | EJ | its only the bootstrap, will it mount it automatically for me? |
| 15:02.48 | Coviti | And btw EJ is not a girl |
| 15:02.48 | Coviti | ;p |
| 15:04.13 | EJ | Yeah i can view the mount from the bootstrap hrw|work |
| 15:04.17 | EJ | so the sd is fine |
| 15:05.12 | EJ | also the wifi is up and its got an IP |
| 15:05.28 | EJ | so the bootstrap is working very well indeed... but naturally wanna boot opie off the sd |
| 15:08.02 | EJ | you following hwtechnik |
| 15:08.07 | EJ | sorry hrw|work |
| 15:08.49 | pmaxroyC | MUAHAHAHAHA |
| 15:13.45 | hrw|work | EJ: I would reformat sd and retry |
| 15:13.55 | EJ | yeah |
| 15:14.06 | EJ | it that fails I may re-try directfs |
| 15:16.44 | EJ | ok its remaking the loopfile now |
| 15:28.01 | EJ | ok hrw|work, what i get after it makes the loopback and 'syncs' drives is this... |
| 15:28.24 | EJ | losetup: ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: No such device or address |
| 15:28.31 | pmaxroyC | yay |
| 15:28.34 | pmaxroyC | lol |
| 15:28.36 | EJ | but after it just asks me to press enter to go onto altboot again |
| 15:28.40 | EJ | and it will boot it |
| 15:28.50 | EJ | im assuming it didnt finish whatever it was doing tho |
| 15:28.51 | hrw|work | never used loopback to boot |
| 15:29.07 | EJ | what do u use? directfs? |
| 15:29.17 | hrw|work | my collie gather dust |
| 15:29.29 | EJ | you should sell it :P |
| 15:29.34 | EJ | someone else can give it life |
| 15:29.52 | hrw|work | EJ: it is not worth selling |
| 15:30.25 | EJ | nonsense! they sell for a tidy amount |
| 15:30.26 | hrw|work | 50 usd? |
| 15:30.26 | EJ | they make for a decent pda... cover on the front, sd and cf... and a keyboard |
| 15:30.31 | EJ | not exactly top of the range, but very usable |
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| 15:31.16 | EJ | they sell for about £100 here in the UK |
| 15:31.28 | hrw|work | EJ: I have 4 zaurus models on desk, 2 palms in drawer |
| 15:31.39 | pmaxroyC | You live in the UK, EJ? |
| 15:32.08 | EJ | ill prob get a htc universal after this one... linux is coming on well with them |
| 15:32.22 | EJ | just dont like the thought of an E (pocket internet explorer) key on my keyboard |
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| 15:36.00 | EJ | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/howto/the-altboot-faq/#comment-2905 |
| 15:36.07 | EJ | infact it seems im not the only one with this issue |
| 15:36.17 | EJ | but no one ever gave a solution i dont think :S |
| 15:36.25 | pmaxroyC | EJ - reformat |
| 15:36.27 | pmaxroyC | lol |
| 15:37.53 | EJ | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/howto/the-altboot-faq/#comment-4209 |
| 15:38.01 | EJ | and this guy cant get the same wifi card working either |
| 15:38.11 | EJ | oz is just riddled with problems |
| 15:38.21 | pmaxroyC | EJ - they're both you, with MPD |
| 15:38.23 | pmaxroyC | ;p |
| 15:39.23 | EJ | hardly stable... infact all the images are in a dir called unstable |
| 15:39.29 | EJ | is there actually an older stable version>? |
| 15:40.36 | SlickMcSly | gd Cyorxamp, how can you still be bitching? it's one thing to have a problem and try to solve it, but not to keep complain this long. either shutup or give up |
| 15:40.42 | CoreDump|home | <EJ> but after it just asks me to press enter to go onto altboot again |
| 15:40.42 | CoreDump|home | <EJ> and it will boot it |
| 15:40.44 | CoreDump|home | grrr |
| 15:40.55 | CoreDump|home | select "Boot from $MEDIA" |
| 15:40.55 | EJ | yes but not everything is there coredump |
| 15:41.10 | EJ | so its an incomplete loopfile |
| 15:41.26 | CoreDump|home | the second prompt is not comming from the loopfile |
| 15:41.35 | EJ | which would explain why half the apps dont work and no wifi |
| 15:41.53 | EJ | i dont think you are following this too well |
| 15:42.21 | CoreDump|home | ... |
| 15:42.27 | SlickMcSly | $50 syas when it's all over Cyorxamp will claim his little brother was doing the typing |
| 15:42.30 | EJ | well what do u think the situation is? |
| 15:43.01 | SlickMcSly | that's usually how these things work out |
| 15:43.28 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: we need to release next release in ultra-stable/VERSION/{feed,images}/MACHINE/ ;D |
| 15:43.35 | hrw|work | cu |
| 15:43.36 | EJ | ive flashed the OZ 3.5.4 bootstrap and used option 8 to install to SD and after making the loopback and syncing it sez..... |
| 15:43.36 | EJ | LOOP_CLR_FD: No such device or address |
| 15:43.37 | CoreDump|home | hrw|work: =) |
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| 15:43.46 | EJ | it -will- boot the sd but its incomplete |
| 15:44.08 | EJ | what does 'LOOP_CLR_FD: No such device or address' mean? |
| 15:44.09 | CoreDump|home | EJ: which usually means that your SD card is crap - which I told you before btw |
| 15:44.21 | EJ | theres absolutely nothing wrong with it |
| 15:44.29 | EJ | this is the second one I have had that this has occurred with |
| 15:44.33 | EJ | its brand new! |
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| 15:44.54 | CoreDump|home | EJ: try booting a pre-prepared image |
| 15:44.56 | joshin | EJ, did you get it free with a bunch of bananas at the store? |
| 15:45.13 | EJ | CoreDump|home, i can download a loppback image? where abouts from? |
| 15:45.29 | TheFool | joshin: shoot if he did I want to go to that store. |
| 15:45.48 | joshin | TheFool, :) |
| 15:45.49 | SlickMcSly | EJ, earlier as Cyorxamp you said you'd been repairing your collie with parts from other pda's. is that true? if so then how do you know the collie itself wasn't damaged during that process? |
| 15:46.09 | CoreDump|home | http://oz.hentges.net/releases/3.5.4.1/T1/collie/ext2/ |
| 15:46.14 | EJ | thanx CoreDump|home |
| 15:46.27 | EJ | so i just put oen of those in boot-images dir? |
| 15:47.23 | CoreDump|home | no, you read the link from the topic of that URL. Because, you know, it is THERE to be read so users actually know what they are doing when they are doing it |
| 15:47.43 | EJ | which requires a linux box to make the loopback yes |
| 15:47.45 | EJ | ? |
| 15:48.18 | CoreDump|home | "Welcome to the Hentges ROM download section. |
| 15:48.19 | CoreDump|home | The .ext2 images can be used with altboot to boot of SD, CF or NFS. |
| 15:48.19 | CoreDump|home | Check The Altboot FAQ |
| 15:48.19 | CoreDump|home | " |
| 15:48.25 | joshin | Cyxor^H^H^H^H EJ: That's what you use getty for! |
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| 15:48.45 | EJ | your not making any sense CoreDump|home |
| 15:48.55 | Coviti | Knowing him he'd try putty |
| 15:48.56 | Coviti | lol |
| 15:49.19 | CoreDump|home | let me cut it down: It boils down to just one sentence: " Check The Altboot FAQ" |
| 15:49.37 | CoreDump|home | Everything is explained there |
| 15:49.45 | EJ | but that faq is useless! it even mentions the error i get but gives to solution! |
| 15:49.51 | EJ | *no |
| 15:49.57 | Coviti | lol! |
| 15:50.05 | CoreDump|home | sigh |
| 15:50.12 | Coviti | FAQs are only useless because you don't read them |
| 15:50.13 | CoreDump|home | so which error is it? |
| 15:50.16 | joshin | CoreDump|home, its like talking to a brick wall |
| 15:50.27 | EJ | CoreDump|home, ive already said it like twice now! |
| 15:50.31 | EJ | LOOP_CLR_FD: No such device or address |
| 15:50.48 | joshin | EJ, lsmod |grep loop |
| 15:51.00 | Coviti | EJ - userdel -r root |
| 15:51.10 | EJ | and the faq dioesnt mention how to use the .ext2 images |
| 15:51.12 | CoreDump|home | bleh, that's from a comment not the FAQ |
| 15:51.34 | CoreDump|home | EJ: actually there is a dedicated paragraph for just that |
| 15:51.55 | EJ | entitled? |
| 15:52.10 | CoreDump|home | How can I use an already existing loop-image? |
| 15:52.43 | EJ | umm that just states what I already guessed i needed to do with it in the first place |
| 15:52.49 | EJ | are you trying to waste my time? |
| 15:53.33 | Coviti | EJ - you're wasting your own time trolling every channel on freenode |
| 15:53.50 | CoreDump|home | this is getting tiresome |
| 15:54.06 | Coviti | /ignore EJ |
| 15:54.09 | Coviti | ;p |
| 15:54.11 | EJ | yeah fixing whats broken so much would get tiresome |
| 15:54.12 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 15:54.30 | EJ | well im downloading the file to the boot-images |
| 15:54.38 | EJ | ill rename it after |
| 15:55.05 | Coviti | /kb EJ!*@*.bbplus.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net |
| 15:55.08 | CoreDump|home | EJ: for the last time: altboot was _writting_ on a collie (mostly anyway). I bloody know it boots of SD / CF and NFS on a collie. |
| 15:55.38 | EJ | well obviously not all too well! |
| 15:55.51 | EJ | especially since theres about 15 god damn approaches to everything |
| 15:55.52 | CoreDump|home | so either _you_ are doing something wrong (because you ignore any docs thrown at you) or your hardware is crap |
| 15:55.54 | joshin | EJ, why don't you port Gentoo to the Collie so that you can get a full KDE working on it |
| 15:56.16 | CoreDump|home | joshin: IIRC pdax has KDE packages ;) |
| 15:56.22 | Coviti | EJ - Or better yet, port Windows Vista |
| 15:56.24 | Coviti | lol |
| 15:56.28 | SlickMcSly | if any effort were to be made porting a distro to zaurus it would be debian |
| 15:56.30 | EJ | ok downloaded |
| 15:56.46 | CoreDump|home | SlickMcSly: OZ is as close to debian as it gets ;) |
| 15:56.53 | EJ | ive called it OpenZaurus.rootfs.bin |
| 15:57.07 | joshin | CoreDump|home, That's awesome. I'll get installing it right now. Should be able to fit it in flash if I gzip the image and then bzip it after. Sweet! |
| 15:57.09 | CoreDump|home | after extracting it I hope |
| 15:57.13 | EJ | yeah |
| 15:57.15 | EJ | no |
| 15:57.21 | EJ | it wont extract |
| 15:57.23 | SlickMcSly | CoreDump|home, but it's not completely compatible with the package names right? |
| 15:57.27 | Coviti | yeah |
| 15:57.27 | Coviti | no |
| 15:57.29 | Coviti | wth |
| 15:58.07 | SlickMcSly | most importantly the xserver implementation isn't complete. you can't just drop the kdrive files into a debian arm disto and use it, nor can you use the debian x server |
| 15:58.09 | CoreDump|home | SlickMcSly: no it isn't. I was talking abour distro tools / behaviour / kinks |
| 15:58.24 | EJ | ok 7zip is doing it now |
| 15:58.32 | EJ | 150mb, that sounds better |
| 15:59.07 | SlickMcSly | CoreDump|home, i'd just like to see x11 debian running on my Z again |
| 15:59.16 | SlickMcSly | without that vnc mess |
| 15:59.49 | Coviti | EJ - no, it's supposed to be 208.9 GB |
| 16:00.01 | CoreDump|home | SlickMcSly: trust me. a stock debian would be far from useable on a Z. You kinda need the tweaks offered by OZ / pdaX etc |
| 16:00.51 | SlickMcSly | CoreDump|home, i know, i've done it before that way: bootstrap debian arm then overwrite it when zaurus specific apps, worked for collie, but not c7x0 or akita |
| 16:01.13 | SlickMcSly | at least not the kdrive x server |
| 16:01.22 | EJ | CoreDump|home, can i make it bigger than 150mb later? |
| 16:01.46 | CVT | EJ - 208.9 GB! |
| 16:01.59 | EJ | coviti? i remember that name |
| 16:02.09 | CoreDump|home | EJ: not easily, no. But it should be enough to verify your hardware |
| 16:02.14 | CVT | go buy some bananas |
| 16:02.24 | EJ | ah on ignore, that explains it... have fun changing nicks! |
| 16:02.30 | EJ | CoreDump|home... ok |
| 16:03.33 | SlickMcSly | CVT, he doesn't really ignore you. he just pretends to so long as stay focused on him. when you try to carry on another conversation he'll disrupt it |
| 16:03.47 | CVT | true, true |
| 16:03.48 | CVT | ;p |
| 16:04.35 | EJ | and your good co-troll joshin is here too! |
| 16:04.54 | CVT | SlickMcSly - actually I've been following him around the network for months now since a large trolling incident in another channel |
| 16:04.59 | CVT | He has me on ignore |
| 16:05.00 | CVT | ;p |
| 16:05.15 | CVT | Oh trust me, you can't count them |
| 16:05.30 | EJ | ok copying to the SD now |
| 16:05.54 | EJ | CoreDump|home: so hentges-opie-image-collie_T1-3.5.4.1-rc4-collie.rootfs.ext2 -becomes- OpenZaurus-rootfs.bin ? |
| 16:06.26 | joshin | EJ, I've been in #openzaurus far longer than you. For a time, I was helping to update and fix OpenEmbedded packages. What have you ever contributed to any project. Sarcasm and bad manners do not count. |
| 16:06.53 | CoreDump|home | EJ: correct |
| 16:07.06 | EJ | marvellous |
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| 16:07.35 | EJ | at least if this sd messes up i can still take it back |
| 16:07.42 | FooBarBaz | EJ - trash it and buy a new one |
| 16:07.44 | EJ | i couldnt find the warrenty for the last one so i had to chuck it |
| 16:08.02 | EJ | FooBarBaz, nah its brand new... ill just get the seller give me a new one |
| 16:08.08 | FooBarBaz | heh |
| 16:08.23 | EJ | ok copied! |
| 16:08.25 | EJ | here goes! |
| 16:09.13 | EJ | no boot images found it says |
| 16:09.21 | EJ | ill reboot just incase |
| 16:09.38 | FooBarBaz | nice. now go buy some bananas. maybe you'll get a new one. |
| 16:09.52 | EJ | pivoting root |
| 16:10.18 | EJ | im past the 2nd altboot |
| 16:10.33 | EJ | warning... i am running the wrong kernel ?! |
| 16:10.37 | FooBarBaz | lol |
| 16:10.39 | FooBarBaz | Good job |
| 16:10.59 | EJ | coredump gave me the damn file! |
| 16:11.08 | FooBarBaz | Be sure to thank it, now |
| 16:11.12 | CoreDump|home | skip the warning with ctrl-c |
| 16:11.23 | EJ | ok |
| 16:11.33 | EJ | booting.. |
| 16:11.38 | FooBarBaz | EJ - This channel has a special key sequence for help. It's Alt-F4 |
| 16:11.47 | EJ | FooBarBaz, get fucked |
| 16:11.54 | FooBarBaz | ditto |
| 16:11.59 | EJ | thats 4 now! |
| 16:12.17 | EJ | lol, he even has 'Troll' in his whois |
| 16:12.25 | CoreDump|home | JustinP: you might be interested in the latest altboot_0.0.0 ( see commit from today) |
| 16:12.26 | AntiEJDude | idiot |
| 16:12.27 | AntiEJDude | lol |
| 16:12.39 | EJ | oh dear, how sad |
| 16:13.02 | EJ | and also... how coviti |
| 16:13.05 | CoreDump|home | would you please stop the swearing |
| 16:13.18 | joshin | Remember EJ, altboot is a script so you should be able to read it to figure out where things are going wrong for you. |
| 16:13.21 | CoreDump|home | this is a support channel, not a troll-party |
| 16:13.30 | EJ | lol, im not the one trolling! |
| 16:13.33 | EJ | im getting help |
| 16:13.36 | Coviti | hahaha! |
| 16:13.42 | joshin | Or modify it to suit your needs. |
| 16:13.43 | EJ | btw its asking about cardfs |
| 16:13.47 | EJ | shall i just skip it? |
| 16:13.55 | CoreDump|home | EJ: yes, skip it |
| 16:14.07 | Coviti | EJ - Why don't you suggest that OpenZaurus become a bootloader |
| 16:14.10 | EJ | ok starting opie |
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| 16:14.23 | Coviti | *opium |
| 16:14.25 | Coviti | lol |
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| 16:14.35 | EJ | CoreDump|home, ive got a screen i cant quit |
| 16:14.42 | EJ | about 'new storage medium detected' |
| 16:14.45 | Coviti | smash it with a hammer |
| 16:14.50 | EJ | the resolution looks b0rked |
| 16:15.24 | IWillEatCyorxamp | EVIL |
| 16:15.25 | CoreDump|home | well, that would be the cursed YEARS-old Opie bug. That is actually quite a problem heh |
| 16:15.26 | EJ | is there a key combination to bypass it ? |
| 16:15.31 | IWillEatCyorxamp | Alt-F4 |
| 16:15.36 | IWillEatCyorxamp | Ctrl-Alt-Delete |
| 16:16.05 | EJ | CoreDump|home... sooooooo? |
| 16:16.17 | IWillEatCyorxamp | So get used to it |
| 16:16.29 | CoreDump|home | do you have Opie installed into flash as well? |
| 16:16.30 | EJ | i dont get this bug with normal OZ opie |
| 16:16.38 | EJ | thats why I didnt use the hentges roms in the first place |
| 16:16.43 | EJ | cuz i couldnt get around this dialog box |
| 16:17.07 | EJ | nah its the normal oz bootstrap on the flash |
| 16:17.18 | EJ | flash == internal sharp |
| 16:17.54 | CoreDump|home | I somehow doubt that you managed to install altboot on SharpROM hehe |
| 16:18.07 | EJ | eh? no im not on about sharprom |
| 16:18.21 | EJ | i mean i have the OZ bootstrap flashed to the zaurus |
| 16:19.03 | EJ | are you purposely misunderstanding to get out of a problem you can't solve? |
| 16:19.20 | CoreDump|home | this bug can not be easily worked-around w/o an already existing opie installation in flash. For testings sake you might just wanna use the GPE image |
| 16:19.56 | EJ | well i can flash opie to the zaurus and to the sd if u like |
| 16:20.10 | EJ | but i went back to using bootstrap as i thought id end up with more available ram |
| 16:20.35 | CoreDump|home | which is true but won't let you route around that cursed bug |
| 16:20.47 | CoreDump|home | you need opie. In flash. |
| 16:20.57 | EJ | ok... well one sec ill reflash |
| 16:21.08 | EJ | why use the hentges roms anyway if they have this bug? |
| 16:21.12 | EJ | why not the OZ ones? |
| 16:21.45 | CoreDump|home | This bug is 2+ years old and is present on _all_ opie images, be it hentges or OZ |
| 16:21.48 | EJ | http://linuxtogo.org/mirror/openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/images/collie/ext2 |
| 16:21.53 | EJ | that has ext2 images as well |
| 16:22.03 | EJ | assuming they are non-hentges they wont have the bug... right? |
| 16:22.10 | CoreDump|home | they work as well, and "feature" the same bug |
| 16:22.32 | EJ | well i flashed oz opie to my sd and booted my sd and never got this when using the non hentges ones |
| 16:22.43 | EJ | but they -may- be because the making of the loopfile was never completed ok |
| 16:23.38 | EJ | can i take advantage of cardfs too? |
| 16:24.02 | CoreDump|home | I'm using and developing OZ for many years. When I say that bug is known and present in all existing Opie images from OZ and hentges, then you'd better believe it |
| 16:24.19 | EJ | well i cant beleive in what i dont see can I? |
| 16:24.34 | EJ | i cant believe in the existance of something that doesnt occur on my system |
| 16:24.59 | EJ | try not to get all too uptight about this now. im not calling you a liar ffs |
| 16:25.21 | EJ | so u want me to use the files from http://oz.hentges.net/releases/3.5.4.1/T1/collie/ext2/ ? |
| 16:25.43 | EJ | and the other dirs... initrd, zimage, opie etc... |
| 16:26.13 | CoreDump|home | for testings sake it doesn't matter. The test requires you to boot a GPE or Opie image off SD. Since Opie is bugged, you could try GPE |
| 16:27.05 | EJ | well ive got the opie initrd, zimage and cardfs on my cf now |
| 16:27.07 | EJ | gonna reflash |
| 16:27.11 | EJ | u can tell me this work around |
| 16:27.41 | EJ | i tried some work arounds on forums with no luck |
| 16:28.24 | EJ | infact no i dont have cardfs on it - lol |
| 16:28.35 | EJ | i wont need it will I? its a part of the ext2 already yeah? |
| 16:29.44 | CoreDump|home | the only work-around is to insert your SD / CF card into an alreay running Opie system (which is quite difficult if you have _booted_ of said CF or SD card) |
| 16:30.24 | EJ | well im reflashing now ill tell u when im done |
| 16:31.21 | EJ | should i press a key when it counts down from 5 to boot opie? |
| 16:31.33 | EJ | whats the first thing i should do -after- booting from the SD |
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| 16:32.52 | CoreDump|home | hmm just boot the image and check if it works |
| 16:33.30 | CoreDump|home | and the countdown is coming from flash, so you have to select "boot from SD |
| 16:33.50 | EJ | `no not that countdown |
| 16:34.00 | EJ | the 'Starting opie in 5 seconds...' countdown |
| 16:34.09 | EJ | i.e. to quit to command line - is that a part of your solution>? |
| 16:34.27 | CoreDump|home | ah no. Just fire up opie as usual but w/o any media inserted |
| 16:34.39 | CoreDump|home | after opie is up, insert CD / SD cards |
| 16:34.43 | EJ | i dont wanna boot the sd... get stuck again... have to reboot then find out the loopback is corrupt cuz i didnt eject properly |
| 16:34.49 | EJ | it always happens that way |
| 16:34.58 | EJ | right ok... will do |
| 16:36.28 | EJ | booting off internal flash |
| 16:37.45 | EJ | skipping cardfs and moving /home bits... |
| 16:37.47 | EJ | yes? |
| 16:38.25 | EJ | oh it never asked about /home lol nm |
| 16:38.29 | EJ | opie is up now - what next? |
| 16:39.13 | EJ | i popped the sd in now coredump |
| 16:39.22 | EJ | this time the dialog comes up correct resolution |
| 16:39.35 | CoreDump|home | that was the plan |
| 16:39.42 | EJ | next? |
| 16:40.02 | CoreDump|home | well make your choice in that dialog and finish w/ "ok" |
| 16:40.17 | EJ | well i cba making any chocies to ill just click ok |
| 16:40.33 | EJ | now wha? |
| 16:40.59 | EJ | btw i can read the sd card in /media/card |
| 16:41.04 | CoreDump|home | try booting off SD again with the SD card you've just inserted. The bug will not show up again |
| 16:41.09 | EJ | theres a boot-images and usr dir's |
| 16:41.18 | EJ | ok... how should I reboot? |
| 16:41.22 | EJ | whats the best way? |
| 16:41.32 | CoreDump|home | settings/quit IIRC |
| 16:41.44 | EJ | settings|shutdown |
| 16:41.55 | EJ | reboot |
| 16:41.59 | Spudulike | Has anyone succeeded in getting Dasher to work on a C760. I have it installed but it doesn't appear as an input method. |
| 16:42.19 | CoreDump|home | Spudulike: no idea sorry |
| 16:42.23 | EJ | coredump... ok booting sd |
| 16:42.41 | EJ | if this does work... can i put bootstrap back on to maximize ram? |
| 16:42.59 | EJ | uh oh loop0 was not unmounted probly -check forced |
| 16:43.23 | EJ | oh it got past it yey! |
| 16:43.44 | EJ | ok its past the 2nd altboot |
| 16:43.59 | EJ | does this ext2 image have cardfs apps on it already coredump? |
| 16:44.12 | CoreDump|home | EJ: yes, however, if you ever format that SD card again, you'll have to go through the work-around another time |
| 16:44.18 | CoreDump|home | nope |
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| 16:44.39 | EJ | right, should i install cardfs later then for now? |
| 16:44.50 | EJ | and whenever i do in the future it installs to / right? |
| 16:44.59 | EJ | cuz / is sd now? yeah? |
| 16:45.04 | CoreDump|home | correct |
| 16:45.11 | CoreDump|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.16 | EJ | loading opie |
| 16:45.26 | CoreDump|home | and you can install cardfs any time you wish |
| 16:45.30 | EJ | yey! |
| 16:45.33 | EJ | align screen |
| 16:45.46 | EJ | well the last time i installed cardfs is messed up majorly |
| 16:45.53 | EJ | lots of 'getty' lines |
| 16:46.30 | EJ | lol theres absolutely near buggery in these tabs |
| 16:46.42 | EJ | i take it i need cardfs to make it to anything magical!? |
| 16:46.48 | EJ | *do |
| 16:46.49 | joshin | EJ, *social skills tip* -> Now would a a good time to thank CoreDump|home. |
| 16:46.58 | CoreDump|home | EJ: that is the point of cardfs |
| 16:47.12 | EJ | ok well im trying my wifi first |
| 16:48.07 | EJ | i think its up :S |
| 16:49.07 | EJ | whats the /usr dir for coredump? |
| 16:49.19 | EJ | i thought its supposed to just have boot-images on the sd |
| 16:49.57 | CoreDump|home | EJ: the usr directory is created on every inserted media due to ipkg requirements |
| 16:50.30 | CoreDump|home | but yes, it is unused when booted off SD |
| 16:50.47 | EJ | cuz ipkg files go inside the loopback? |
| 16:51.03 | EJ | so i can delete /usr ? |
| 16:51.18 | CoreDump|home | you could, but it will be back eventually =) |
| 16:51.33 | EJ | bugger it... ill just hide boot-images and usr |
| 16:51.51 | CoreDump|home | you should probably leave boot-images alone |
| 16:52.07 | EJ | oooOOOooho yes |
| 16:52.13 | EJ | this zaurus is never being flashed ever again |
| 16:52.44 | EJ | will cardfs give me a web browser? |
| 16:52.48 | CoreDump|home | you can flash it anytime you want. The SD loop-image will not be effected |
| 16:53.04 | CoreDump|home | yes and plenty more |
| 16:53.11 | EJ | hmm ok ill give it a try |
| 16:53.18 | EJ | last time it messed up tho |
| 16:53.20 | EJ | which browser? |
| 16:53.59 | EJ | im gonna use cardfs-opie-collie-openzaurus_oz3.5.4.1-rc4-opie1.2.1-T1.bin |
| 16:55.09 | EJ | also whats the equivalent to startx ? |
| 16:55.26 | CoreDump|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.32 | CoreDump|home | and it is konqueror |
| 16:55.39 | EJ | mini konquerer? |
| 16:55.56 | EJ | hmm, im gonna need summat else me thinks - cant stand konquerer |
| 16:56.04 | EJ | altho i used to love it :S |
| 16:56.28 | CoreDump|home | konq is the best there is on opie. |
| 16:56.39 | EJ | downloading cardfs to my cf card now anyways |
| 16:56.56 | EJ | i used to like konq back on the redhat uni pc's... it was Mozilla or Konq |
| 16:57.07 | EJ | and mozill aways failing with the profiles so id use konq |
| 16:57.16 | EJ | but then konq became a file manager too and i really went off it |
| 17:00.40 | EJ | CoreDump: can i just quit opie and from the command line install cardfs? |
| 17:01.00 | CoreDump|home | yes that works |
| 17:01.10 | CoreDump|home | cardfs_install.sh or something like that |
| 17:01.23 | EJ | ok great |
| 17:02.15 | EJ | ok its giving it a go... it sez its installing |
| 17:02.38 | *** join/#openzaurus Sonic|Laptop (n=garrett@unaffiliated/sonicvanajr) |
| 17:04.13 | *** join/#openzaurus hvontres|poodle (n=henry@redhill.orthodyne.com) |
| 17:04.54 | *** join/#openzaurus bronson__ (n=bronson@c-71-198-75-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 17:07.33 | EJ | coredump - how might i increase this 150mb file to 256mb? |
| 17:08.25 | CoreDump|home | well, on a linux desktop you could create an empty loop-image of 256Mb and copy the files over I guess |
| 17:08.43 | EJ | simple as that? |
| 17:09.14 | EJ | remind me, wats the command for making an empty file on linux? i know the mkfs bit |
| 17:09.41 | EJ | wow! ive got lotsa programs now! |
| 17:09.44 | EJ | and games!! |
| 17:11.03 | EJ | hmm konquerer dunna work tho - no supprise there |
| 17:11.11 | EJ | altho my wifi has its ip address ok |
| 17:11.19 | *** join/#openzaurus mickeyl (n=mickeyl@linuxtogo.org) |
| 17:12.04 | EJ | minehunt seems somewhat b0rked tho |
| 17:12.10 | EJ | the squares are too big |
| 17:12.25 | *** part/#openzaurus Coviti (n=Coviti@pool-71-99-29-82.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 17:12.48 | EJ | coredump? |
| 17:12.57 | CoreDump|home | ? |
| 17:13.22 | EJ | howcome konqueuer may not work? |
| 17:13.28 | EJ | my wifi has an IP address alright |
| 17:13.46 | EJ | and howcome minehunt is full of scroll bars?! |
| 17:14.04 | CoreDump|home | the usual network debugging rules apply. |
| 17:14.13 | EJ | well ive done them :P |
| 17:15.29 | *** join/#openzaurus NAbyss_ (n=foo@220-253-0-186.VIC.netspace.net.au) |
| 17:33.21 | EJ | whats ctrl+alt on a zaurus? |
| 17:33.26 | EJ | i.e. how do i get back to tty2? |
| 17:35.16 | mickeyl | chvt 2 |
| 17:35.27 | mickeyl | there's a keycombo, but it depends on your model |
| 17:35.36 | mickeyl | should be listed in release notes |
| 17:35.59 | EJ | hmm i pressed cancel+tab and now im stuck in an ever looping list of commands |
| 17:36.20 | EJ | ok chvt works! thanx |
| 17:38.14 | joshin | EJ, did you know you can overclock your collie? |
| 17:38.41 | joshin | modprobe registers ; echo 0x0000000C > /proc/cpu/registers/PPCR |
| 17:39.09 | joshin | Needs to be plugged in or have a fresh battery |
| 17:39.29 | joshin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.02 | TheFool | joshin: Please NO |
| 17:40.23 | joshin | TheFool, why not? I run mine at 0x0000000B all the time. |
| 17:40.24 | EJ | whats he saying? |
| 17:40.38 | TheFool | why would you overclock it |
| 17:41.03 | TheFool | less reliability barely any extra speed, more battery usage...the 5500 eats batteries normally... |
| 17:41.24 | joshin | TheFool, because it works fine, gives a noticable improvement in Konq performance, and doesn't affect the battery much. |
| 17:41.54 | TheFool | really?!? thats rather surprising. how do you go about that again :) |
| 17:42.05 | joshin | And I modified my 5500 to use the cheap and more powerful MP1 batteries. |
| 17:42.34 | joshin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.42 | EJ | TheFool, whatever he is proposing.. if it was directed at me - chances are its a way of ruining whatever I am doing |
| 17:42.52 | joshin | The screen uses most of the battery power. |
| 17:43.14 | joshin | And I have made a script to upclock and downclock the collie depending on what I'm doing. |
| 17:43.28 | TheFool | EJ: thats what I figured originally :) finally got your Z working here is the next thing that might screw it up :) |
| 17:43.38 | joshin | It is fun torturing EJ. Even when I'm being helpful, he thinks I'm out to get him. |
| 17:43.41 | *** join/#openzaurus otherspud (n=otherspu@ql4ever.demon.co.uk) |
| 17:44.03 | TheFool | joshin: very nice, I have to steal that from you sometime |
| 17:44.51 | TheFool | with EJ as an example I know that whatever problems I have getting OZ working on my collie will be overcome ;) |
| 17:45.00 | joshin | LOL |
| 17:45.42 | EJ | hmm this tetris is crap |
| 17:45.53 | EJ | so far your choice in programs stink coredump |
| 17:46.14 | TheFool | EJ: dude, your runing OZ get your own programs |
| 17:46.28 | joshin | EJ so reminds me of Cartman from Southpark. |
| 17:46.38 | TheFool | stick a SNES emulater on there and play the original if you feel like it |
| 17:46.49 | EJ | i dont like consoles |
| 17:46.51 | EJ | they smell |
| 17:48.02 | TheFool | EJ: whats your real name? If/when you win a darwin award I want to be able to cheer for you. |
| 17:48.23 | joshin | His name is Stephen Maddox and can be found at www.cyorxamp.info |
| 17:48.30 | EJ | George Bungle :P |
| 17:49.09 | TheFool | joshin: thats just a bit sad that you looked that up |
| 17:49.26 | EJ | let me guess, he googled me? |
| 17:49.31 | EJ | oh deary me |
| 17:49.32 | joshin | Nope, I knew it from when he was banned in #ubuntu, #reactos, and a bunch of other groups. |
| 17:49.45 | EJ | this guy has been following me from channel to channel for over 6 months |
| 17:49.47 | joshin | Plus he had it in his signoff message as Cyxoramp last night |
| 17:49.49 | EJ | whos the real troll? |
| 17:49.59 | TheFool | um you... |
| 17:50.13 | *** join/#openzaurus Cyorxamp (n=Cyorxamp@87.113.5.7.bbplus.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net) |
| 17:50.19 | TheFool | no but seriously you may not be a "troll" but you complain more than anyone else I have ever seen |
| 17:50.20 | Cyorxamp | Or me! |
| 17:50.36 | Cyorxamp | I'm on the zaurus |
| 17:50.40 | Cyorxamp | woooo |
| 17:50.49 | Cyorxamp | ikle tiny keyboard |
| 17:50.56 | Cyorxamp | ok this irc program is good |
| 17:51.30 | EJ | yup :P{ |
| 17:51.46 | EJ | now why the fuck wont konquerer work if irc will |
| 17:51.55 | joshin | User error. |
| 17:52.01 | TheFool | because konquerer is evil lol |
| 17:52.07 | EJ | it is evil |
| 17:52.19 | EJ | i obvisouly have my wifi connection working |
| 17:52.32 | EJ | just keeps saying its timed out going to goole |
| 17:52.35 | TheFool | just use opera, the zooming features quite simply rock. |
| 17:52.36 | *** join/#openzaurus Laibsch (n=Laibsch@84.245.185.160) |
| 17:52.59 | EJ | where can i get the ipkg from for OZ opie? |
| 17:53.26 | joshin | TheFool, do you want to guide him though getting Opera working? |
| 17:53.35 | TheFool | joshin: would I be mistaken in telling him he can use the same one from the sharp rom? |
| 17:53.49 | EJ | yeah you would |
| 17:53.53 | joshin | TheFool, he'd need to install the compat-libraries |
| 17:53.55 | EJ | lol, i know that much :P |
| 17:54.13 | EJ | ive noticed theres a thing in settings called compat-libereires tho |
| 17:54.23 | EJ | for using using sharp rom ipkg's |
| 17:54.47 | EJ | hmm gaim wont connect either |
| 17:56.12 | TheFool | hmm as of 3.5.1 compat-libraries are broken |
| 17:56.14 | joshin | Tis a shame EJ has me ignored. I bet I could figure it out. |
| 17:56.34 | EJ | it is isn't it?! |
| 17:58.24 | TheFool | wow I dind't realize that hrw was the main guy behind OZ |
| 17:58.55 | EJ | he is a badger |
| 17:59.23 | TheFool | ? |
| 17:59.29 | EJ | ok i can access my routers page from konq |
| 17:59.33 | EJ | but not any web sites |
| 18:01.21 | joshin | EJ, did you set your IP address manually or pick it up via DHCP? |
| 18:01.24 | TheFool | joshin: any thoughts on this? DNS not setup? (ie names not translating to ip's) some konq specific stuff? but why wouldn't gaim work if it was konq stuff? and why would IRC work? |
| 18:01.42 | EJ | lol |
| 18:01.43 | joshin | TheFool, I think you're on the right track. |
| 18:01.52 | EJ | well it has the IP and the DNS fine |
| 18:01.56 | EJ | and irc works ok |
| 18:01.57 | joshin | I'd be interested in nsswitch.conf |
| 18:02.16 | joshin | Or maybe trying to see if I could hit a remote site's IP address with konq |
| 18:02.32 | EJ | and i can ping my other pcs from konsole |
| 18:02.43 | joshin | Or running them from a command line to see if there's an error |
| 18:03.06 | TheFool | ping google.com |
| 18:03.16 | TheFool | that will tell you if DNS is up or not |
| 18:03.32 | EJ | its havin a long think :S |
| 18:03.49 | EJ | home name lookup failure |
| 18:03.57 | TheFool | then try accessing 64.111.96.127 via konq |
| 18:04.11 | EJ | should I configure my wifi manually? |
| 18:04.16 | EJ | instead of letting it dhcp? |
| 18:04.38 | joshin | EJ, did DHCP assign all the right info? |
| 18:04.48 | TheFool | definitely wouldn't hurt |
| 18:04.51 | joshin | Did it set your nameservers correctly? |
| 18:05.00 | joshin | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:05.01 | TheFool | well maybe it would if you typed the wrong stuff in... |
| 18:05.44 | EJ | i typed nothing in |
| 18:05.49 | EJ | its just auto-dhcp |
| 18:05.50 | TheFool | I have to figure out how to save the last 2 days IRC logs so if I encounter the smae probs I won't have to be pestering you guys |
| 18:06.17 | TheFool | EJ: thats great, but check resolv.conf and make sure it has the right nameservers in there |
| 18:06.55 | joshin | TheFool, I have most of them saved. I knew Coviti would want to see the troubles Cyxoramp had after he ignored my advice to use a loopback filesystem in the first place :) |
| 18:07.08 | joshin | See, I mix trolling and good advice. ;P |
| 18:07.17 | TheFool | ... |
| 18:07.27 | joshin | TheFool, what client are you using for IRC? |
| 18:07.44 | TheFool | stupid mirc, because right now I am in stupid windows... |
| 18:08.04 | *** join/#openzaurus EvilJaneway (n=EvilJane@87.113.26.167.bbplus.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net) |
| 18:08.29 | joshin | Aah, irssi has some nice features to allow for logging. I run it on my NSLU2 (gentoo) and then use Xchat via a proxy to it. |
| 18:08.44 | joshin | EvilJaneway, your Zaurus I imagine? |
| 18:08.45 | EvilJaneway | i oh so h8 oz |
| 18:09.02 | joshin | Then sell it and buy a Ipaq |
| 18:09.15 | TheFool | no no no not another one... why do you hate OZ? |
| 18:09.27 | EvilJaneway | EJ... EvilJaneway |
| 18:09.28 | EvilJaneway | keep up |
| 18:09.35 | TheFool | grr |
| 18:09.38 | EvilJaneway | lol |
| 18:09.58 | joshin | zzzzz |
| 18:09.59 | EvilJaneway | and shut the hell up joshin |
| 18:10.03 | TheFool | lol I wish I had op privs here /ban kick all your clones |
| 18:10.19 | EvilJaneway | i disconnected and reconnected (dunno why) |
| 18:10.22 | joshin | Nope. I'll say what I want. If you don't like it, come to my home in Arizona and pull my net connection. |
| 18:10.23 | EvilJaneway | EJ will vanish in a sec |
| 18:10.28 | joshin | Good riddance! |
| 18:10.53 | TheFool | joshin: care to pay for the plane ticket? |
| 18:11.13 | joshin | TheFool, I'd consider it. Especially since the law here would allow me to shoot him. :) |
| 18:11.29 | TheFool | my thoughts exatly |
| 18:11.38 | TheFool | exactly* |
| 18:11.39 | joshin | I would have to wait until after he pulled the cable though. |
| 18:12.02 | TheFool | ah see here I would just have to wait until he got to my doorstep, then say I felt threatened... |
| 18:12.09 | Cyorxamp | I could shoot you since i was in the states :P |
| 18:12.09 | joshin | TheFool, Texas? |
| 18:12.17 | TheFool | florida |
| 18:12.24 | joshin | Florida. Nice! |
| 18:12.41 | TheFool | ack, too bloody hot down here |
| 18:12.41 | Cyorxamp | swamp hell |
| 18:12.48 | joshin | Cyorxamp, Bet you $1 you'd not succeed |
| 18:13.00 | Cyorxamp | thats not much |
| 18:13.25 | joshin | TheFool, we've got the same or slightly higher temps but there is some truth to the "dry heat" comments. |
| 18:13.41 | TheFool | Cyorxamp: nah right near the beach, they got rid of most of the swamp and built $500,00 houses 3 feet from eachother |
| 18:13.53 | joshin | TheFool, so has the grey haired invasion started for you yet? It has here. |
| 18:13.56 | TheFool | $500,000 |
| 18:14.38 | TheFool | oh yea, but they sorta have their own communities. They are sorta scared off by the the young crowds at the beaches downtown etc |
| 18:14.41 | joshin | Cyorxamp, stop flirting. |
| 18:14.49 | Cyorxamp | i cant help it |
| 18:14.57 | joshin | TheFool, except for the old guys with their binoculars. ;P |
| 18:15.02 | TheFool | thats not flirting thats full on sexual harrasment |
| 18:15.15 | Cyorxamp | yey! |
| 18:15.22 | joshin | Or at least being a leacherous geezer |
| 18:15.26 | TheFool | joshin: I actually saw one of those the other day, girl beat himpretty bad...then she was arrested... |
| 18:15.32 | joshin | :) |
| 18:15.44 | Cyorxamp | ok this wifi is still fucked |
| 18:15.46 | TheFool | that just wasn't right he sorta deserved it... |
| 18:15.48 | Cyorxamp | i want answers! |
| 18:16.03 | joshin | Cyorxamp, so did you connect via IP address to an external machine? |
| 18:16.03 | TheFool | the answer is...............................................41 |
| 18:16.11 | joshin | I thought it was 42!? |
| 18:16.12 | Cyorxamp | FOURTY ONE!? |
| 18:16.38 | Cyorxamp | Yeah I think its 42 |
| 18:17.06 | TheFool | joshin: no no no thats the answer to life the universe and everything... 41 is the "other" answer |
| 18:17.26 | joshin | Aah, I thought that was the third answer with 69 being the second. |
| 18:17.31 | Cyorxamp | you dont wanna be a random nut head like joshin |
| 18:17.41 | Cyorxamp | it aint even funny now ffs |
| 18:17.47 | joshin | True, you could be a random nutsack like Cyorxamp |
| 18:17.52 | TheFool | anyways, did you mange to connect via ip with konq? |
| 18:17.53 | Cyorxamp | yes! |
| 18:17.58 | Cyorxamp | no |
| 18:18.04 | Cyorxamp | nothing works, OZ stinks of horse shit |
| 18:18.12 | TheFool | ok then dns is your problem you just have to point it to the right nameservers |
| 18:18.21 | joshin | It's not your zaurus that stinks. |
| 18:18.31 | Cyorxamp | TheFool theres nothing wrong with it |
| 18:18.34 | TheFool | joshin gave you the file to do that with earlier do that and then be happy |
| 18:18.54 | Cyorxamp | yes but joshin is on ignore :P |
| 18:18.54 | joshin | TheFool, remember. He doesn't know what getty does. :) |
| 18:19.06 | joshin | Yeah, I'm ignored. Uh huh. |
| 18:19.08 | TheFool | joshin: shutup lol, I had to google it... |
| 18:19.25 | Cyorxamp | yes IGNORED! |
| 18:19.36 | joshin | TheFool, sorry. Been using *nix of some sort since 1986. :) |
| 18:19.58 | TheFool | joshin: it's all good I am a recent (4 years) convert |
| 18:20.08 | joshin | Which is about when I think Cyorxamp was born |
| 18:20.15 | TheFool | I shoudl have known as I have actually used it |
| 18:20.16 | joshin | Or hatched |
| 18:20.23 | Cyorxamp | 1985 |
| 18:20.24 | TheFool | hey I was born in 86... |
| 18:20.52 | TheFool | don't insult my year |
| 18:21.12 | joshin | Sorry TheFool! |
| 18:21.47 | TheFool | joshin: if he isn't full of bullox and the nameservers are setup right, is there anything you can think of that would keep them from working? |
| 18:22.23 | joshin | TheFool, maybe nsswitch.conf isn't setup for using dns. But I think he's full of it. |
| 18:22.39 | joshin | He should edit that other file and make sure that the nameservers are set right. |
| 18:22.47 | TheFool | joshin: no reason for him to lie... |
| 18:22.54 | Cyorxamp | i hate all of you |
| 18:23.03 | joshin | TheFool, I doubt he's lying. Just clueless and unable to listen. |
| 18:23.11 | TheFool | thats nice...but we are still trying to help |
| 18:23.12 | Cyorxamp | exactly! |
| 18:23.31 | Cyorxamp | im in 'why the fuck isnt it working now' mode |
| 18:23.38 | joshin | Cyorxamp, really we just want to help you resolve your broken conf |
| 18:23.40 | Cyorxamp | just DO IT! |
| 18:23.47 | joshin | iguration |
| 18:23.54 | Cyorxamp | theres nothing broken with the conf |
| 18:24.02 | JustinP | Cyorxamp: go pay someone to deal with your crap, we're doing this for free, remember |
| 18:24.03 | Cyorxamp | its default conf, with default dhcp |
| 18:24.04 | joshin | so it is resolved? |
| 18:24.09 | TheFool | tell you what, ship your Z to me and I will fix it and ship it back. |
| 18:24.09 | Cyorxamp | no its not! |
| 18:24.17 | Cyorxamp | TheFool, ok your address? |
| 18:24.44 | TheFool | 5264 North Andrews Ave 33309 Florida :) |
| 18:24.51 | Cyorxamp | waits to see who is more the maniac for giving the other maniac the address |
| 18:24.53 | Cyorxamp | ok you win |
| 18:24.59 | TheFool | lol |
| 18:25.15 | joshin | TheFool, I thought it was 1600 pensylvania ave, washington dc? |
| 18:25.42 | Cyorxamp | why is there no conenction box |
| 18:25.43 | TheFool | no no no, I prefer the local mayors house no one knows his adrress |
| 18:25.47 | joshin | :) |
| 18:25.52 | Cyorxamp | the sharprom had a connection box tray icon |
| 18:25.58 | Cyorxamp | where is it? |
| 18:26.04 | joshin | Cyorxamp, you can add it via ipkg |
| 18:26.12 | Cyorxamp | :( |
| 18:26.18 | joshin | And turn off the bluetooth ones (if they're there in the current version) |
| 18:26.31 | Cyorxamp | ive already turned off the bluetooth one |
| 18:26.43 | joshin | Cyorxamp, are the nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf the same as the ones that your windows box or ubuntu one has? |
| 18:27.00 | TheFool | hey is there a port of QPSword to OZ? I know it works great in sharp rom, and I really want it on OZ |
| 18:27.05 | Cyorxamp | it would help to know where the fuck the konquere status bar is |
| 18:27.33 | joshin | Damn, the stock market is doing nice things today... |
| 18:27.47 | Cyorxamp | JUST WORJK!! |
| 18:27.47 | Cyorxamp | ! |
| 18:27.48 | Cyorxamp | ! |
| 18:27.58 | Cyorxamp | oh shit it did |
| 18:28.06 | Cyorxamp | I must scream more often |
| 18:28.10 | Cyorxamp | google is up! |
| 18:28.34 | TheFool | yea I can die in peace now |
| 18:28.48 | Cyorxamp | so nothing to do with ur conf files like i said it wouldnt be |
| 18:29.00 | Cyorxamp | just another wild fucking goose chase that would waste 8 hours of my time |
| 18:29.11 | TheFool | unhuh it just magically started working... |
| 18:29.16 | joshin | So what was the solution? Your sweet voice? |
| 18:29.18 | Cyorxamp | yeah! |
| 18:29.27 | Cyorxamp | my sweat voice made it work |
| 18:29.30 | TheFool | of course... |
| 18:29.37 | joshin | Ick. Sweat voice. |
| 18:29.41 | Cyorxamp | but i think konquerer is just a slow piece of shit |
| 18:29.44 | TheFool | can we kick him now? |
| 18:29.48 | Cyorxamp | can i have minimo or opera or something? |
| 18:29.49 | joshin | Cyorxamp, so is the Collie |
| 18:29.59 | joshin | Please do. |
| 18:30.05 | TheFool | HEY! I love my little collie. |
| 18:30.08 | joshin | Cyorxamp, if you can figure out how to compile it. |
| 18:30.11 | TheFool | well I can't lol |
| 18:30.16 | Cyorxamp | bah fuck that |
| 18:30.20 | joshin | Me neither. |
| 18:30.34 | TheFool | dang no ops in channel. |
| 18:30.40 | joshin | There never are. |
| 18:30.50 | joshin | Cyorxamp is the most abusive person here ever. |
| 18:31.04 | joshin | But he should be going away now that his Z works. At least for an hour or 2 |
| 18:31.08 | TheFool | it's ok I have a little sister. They are about the same |
| 18:31.17 | Cyorxamp | yeah but its as slow as shit now |
| 18:31.23 | joshin | TheFool, little sisters at least often have cute friends. |
| 18:31.34 | JustinP | damn, no freenode staff members listed... |
| 18:31.45 | joshin | Cyorxamp, what kernel are you running? (How much free ram) |
| 18:31.46 | TheFool | 4 years difference ... |
| 18:32.00 | Cyorxamp | joshin, all the ram is free... its booted off sd |
| 18:32.09 | TheFool | definitely not hitting on her friends...now some of her friends older sisters... |
| 18:32.16 | joshin | Cyorxamp, 64/0, 32/32, 48/16 ? |
| 18:32.17 | CoreDump|home | would you please watch you tongue...no swearing please, this is a distro support channel after all |
| 18:32.20 | Cyorxamp | 64 |
| 18:32.44 | TheFool | hmm thats the best one for it... |
| 18:32.48 | Cyorxamp | hey coredump wb |
| 18:33.32 | TheFool | so besidesn general slowness is there anything else not working Cyorxamp? |
| 18:33.44 | Cyorxamp | minehunt |
| 18:33.59 | Cyorxamp | its full of scroll bars, it looks ugly... something up with it |
| 18:34.24 | TheFool | right...don't know what to tell you there. |
| 18:34.55 | Cyorxamp | basically the panel that houses the buttons has an object in it bigger than its size |
| 18:35.01 | Cyorxamp | so its put stupid scroll bars on it |
| 18:35.04 | TheFool | Cyorxamp: usually the first good boot takes a while as it sets up all the config stuff. It might not be a bad idea to do a full reboot to sorta start froma fresh slate. |
| 18:35.29 | joshin | But make sure to scream at it the whole time so that it remembers who is boss! |
| 18:35.32 | Cyorxamp | rebooting |
| 18:35.33 | TheFool | might not help either but... sure as heck won't hurt |
| 18:36.17 | Cyorxamp | are the collies displays supposed to flicker sometimes? |
| 18:36.26 | TheFool | during reboot yea |
| 18:36.31 | Cyorxamp | nah when in opie |
| 18:36.43 | TheFool | um no... |
| 18:36.48 | joshin | Mine does. Gives me a headache. |
| 18:37.02 | Cyorxamp | ill replace the screen me thinks with my other one |
| 18:37.07 | TheFool | crap not what I wanted to hear |
| 18:37.28 | Cyorxamp | oh! important IMPORTANT question plz answer... |
| 18:37.28 | joshin | Which is why I'm about to order that PepperPad. Unless I decide on the 3200. Sigh. Too many choices |
| 18:37.43 | Cyorxamp | how can I access samba shares on my network from the pda? |
| 18:37.46 | joshin | TheFool, I think it is the backlight. |
| 18:38.04 | Cyorxamp | it only does it occasionally |
| 18:38.12 | TheFool | well I am keeping to the 5500, just can't beat the price...and I am your typical broke college student |
| 18:38.13 | joshin | Cyorxamp, you need all the appropriate kernel modules and software. It is possible. |
| 18:38.18 | Cyorxamp | the backlight flickers i think,but ive been it do it on sharprom too |
| 18:38.22 | Cyorxamp | joshin, ok how |
| 18:38.35 | Cyorxamp | any link with a guide? |
| 18:38.52 | joshin | Cyorxamp, how about instead of wasting my time, take 3 minutes and do a google search. |
| 18:39.05 | Cyorxamp | I like wasting your time |
| 18:39.08 | TheFool | why on earth would you use samba? wouldn't a sftp session be faster/easier? |
| 18:39.10 | joshin | Or pay me my normal consulting rates. |
| 18:39.11 | Cyorxamp | You have wasted so much of mine! |
| 18:39.22 | Cyorxamp | Nah fuck that |
| 18:39.41 | TheFool | would you please watch you tongue...no swearing please, this is a distro support channel after all |
| 18:39.41 | joshin | Cyorxamp, how so? Had you listened to me in the first place, you would have done the loopback mount a month ago. |
| 18:39.54 | joshin | And not killed your SD card. |
| 18:40.06 | Cyorxamp | yeah but I DIDNT WANT A LOOPBACK |
| 18:40.19 | Cyorxamp | and tbh im still tempted do direct fs again |
| 18:40.34 | joshin | Cyorxamp, so what? I want a rocket ship. Doesn't mean I can have one. |
| 18:41.04 | joshin | Cyorxamp, you should try it again. |
| 18:41.15 | TheFool | oh come on you can have one for pretty cheap nowadays. It might be 80's tech but hey... it's a rocket ship |
| 18:41.56 | joshin | TheFool, I'd like something with hyperdrive at least. |
| 18:42.20 | Cyorxamp | ok wifi not working again |
| 18:42.21 | TheFool | theres actually an engine from one of the old shuttles sitting in a junkyard abnout 10miles from me |
| 18:42.48 | TheFool | um what exactly isn't working? |
| 18:43.05 | joshin | TheFool: :) You should get it and bolt in onto Cyorxamp's car. |
| 18:43.14 | Cyorxamp | times out on sites |
| 18:43.20 | Cyorxamp | i dont drive |
| 18:43.22 | TheFool | nah would bolt it to mine :) |
| 18:43.33 | joshin | Cyorxamp, your name server is probably too slow. Try the same address again in about 15s. |
| 18:43.40 | TheFool | best drag race ever |
| 18:44.07 | *** join/#openzaurus mrz80 (i=1000@caledonia.cns.ufl.edu) |
| 18:44.46 | joshin | Another Floridian? Goodness... |
| 18:45.20 | TheFool | we are taking over the world |
| 18:46.15 | TheFool | I gotta stop wasting time in here and get some homework done... |
| 18:46.32 | TheFool | it's just fun to watch sometime :) |
| 18:47.31 | joshin | Yup, I should be working too. Gotta get my patent application done. |
| 18:47.53 | joshin | Cyorxamp, did it work or are you just shouting at it again? |
| 18:48.28 | joshin | Remember, laughter is 5x more powerful than fear. Mike and Sully taught me that. |
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| 18:51.00 | joshin | http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/openzaurus.html.gz |
| 18:58.56 | *** part/#openzaurus goxboxlive (n=goxboxli@9.80-202-160.nextgentel.com) |
| 19:10.22 | TheFool | dumb question, is there any one place that has a majority of the apps I can get running on OZ? I want to sorta pick out the replacements for what I am using now. |
| 19:13.45 | TheFool | nevermind finally found the feedbrowser link hrw gave me a while back |
| 19:14.48 | joshin | TheFool, if you are linux literate, you can build your own version of OZ. I found it much easier to do than to go searching and fighting with other packages. |
| 19:15.41 | TheFool | I was sorta hoping to install OZ and add and add and add as I wanted not recompile the OS everytime I wanted a change. |
| 19:17.05 | joshin | TheFool, you'd build OZ on your desktop and have your own ipkg feed. |
| 19:17.41 | TheFool | ah |
| 19:17.49 | TheFool | well no clue how to do that but sounds cool |
| 19:18.51 | TheFool | once I get my CF card, and can flash my collie (FINALLY) I will look into that. any reason why it would be unwise to just use someone elses feed? |
| 19:21.02 | *** join/#openzaurus agaffney (n=agaffney@gentoo/developer/pdpc.active.agaffney) |
| 19:30.01 | Cyorxamp | BLEH! |
| 19:30.49 | *** join/#openzaurus JoeSchmo (n=jciccone@pool-71-251-44-108.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) |
| 19:31.28 | TheFool | Cyorxamp: whats wrong? |
| 19:31.46 | Cyorxamp | this wifi still doesnt work |
| 19:32.14 | TheFool | the wifi works, your DNS doesn't work. Big difference |
| 19:32.32 | Cyorxamp | dns does work fine |
| 19:33.15 | Cyorxamp | if it can connect to irc within 5 seconds flat by resolving irc.freenode.net |
| 19:33.21 | Cyorxamp | then it connect to a damn website - but it wont |
| 19:33.49 | TheFool | really!?! since when? You know that thing that allows you to type a name and go to an IP thats DNS. When you can type an IP and go there but not a name, that means your DNS is not setup right. |
| 19:34.15 | TheFool | ah, it resolves irc.freenode.net? That is odd... |
| 19:34.15 | Cyorxamp | i know what a fucking dns is |
| 19:34.21 | Cyorxamp | exactly |
| 19:34.23 | *** join/#openzaurus Flikker (n=mattnosp@24-49-208-30.bflony.adelphia.net) |
| 19:34.25 | Cyorxamp | smart ass |
| 19:34.50 | TheFool | quite sorry, but as I have seen before, you tend to miss the simple soulutions. |
| 19:35.04 | Cyorxamp | theres something opieirc does that gaim and konquerer doesnt do |
| 19:35.21 | TheFool | except resolve a name that is... |
| 19:35.27 | Cyorxamp | no everyone -thinks- i miss the simplist solutions then i have at go at them for suggesting them |
| 19:35.40 | Cyorxamp | then i end up with 8 more thrown at me which are just as wild and stupid |
| 19:35.54 | Cyorxamp | then i end up hating everyone for wasting my time and not listenting to what i said in the first place |
| 19:35.59 | Cyorxamp | then i get called a troll |
| 19:36.04 | Cyorxamp | are we seeing the pattern here? |
| 19:36.31 | CoreDump|home | Cyorxamp: last warning |
| 19:36.32 | TheFool | right, well expecting DNS not to work when hostnames aren't resolving is neither wild nor stupid... |
| 19:36.41 | Cyorxamp | Basically... everyone on freenode are egotistical patronising fuckwits that assume EVERY entering a channel dont know there ass from there elbow |
| 19:36.53 | Cyorxamp | *everone |
| 19:37.05 | *** mode/#openzaurus [+o CoreDump|home] by ChanServ |
| 19:37.09 | Cyorxamp | TheFool, but you didnt even read what i put |
| 19:37.14 | *** kick/#openzaurus [Cyorxamp!n=mhentges@hentges.net] by CoreDump|home (CoreDump|home) |
| 19:37.14 | *** join/#openzaurus Cyorxamp (n=EvilJane@87.113.26.167.bbplus.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net) |
| 19:37.14 | Cyorxamp | your too quick to judge |
| 19:37.28 | TheFool | Cyorxamp: anyways... can we get backto trying to figure out what is wrongbefore you get permkicked? |
| 19:37.28 | *** mode/#openzaurus [+b *!n=EvilJane@*.113.26.167.bbplus.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] by CoreDump|home |
| 19:37.33 | TheFool | too late ... |
| 19:37.35 | *** kick/#openzaurus [Cyorxamp!n=mhentges@hentges.net] by CoreDump|home (CoreDump|home) |
| 19:38.10 | *** part/#openzaurus Flikker (n=mattnosp@24-49-208-30.bflony.adelphia.net) |
| 19:38.42 | kerwood | good heavens...Trolltech is even talking up the greenphone in EDN magazine... |
| 19:38.50 | TheFool | hmm even though he is gone now I would love to know what would cause qirc to resolve hostnames but nothing else? |
| 19:41.38 | TheFool | kerwood: anything specific about it? it looks like a modern linux phone to me, nothing more nothing less. Without a touch screen or a full size keyboard it doesn't make a decent PDA, though it would certainly be an interesting phone. |
| 19:42.43 | kerwood | TheFool: actually, I wasn't really paying attention to the phone per se; I was just marveling at the major ad blitz TT seems to be pressing |
| 19:43.10 | TheFool | haven't actually seen any ads for it here so... ;) |
| 19:43.52 | *** mode/#openzaurus [-b *!n=EvilJane@*.113.26.167.bbplus.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] by CoreDump|home |
| 19:44.35 | *** mode/#openzaurus [-o CoreDump|home] by CoreDump|home |
| 19:46.14 | TheFool | Cyorxamp is now pinging me like crazy... |
| 19:48.40 | *** join/#openzaurus Cyorxamp (n=EvilJane@87.113.26.167.bbplus.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net) |
| 19:48.44 | CoreDump|home | he certainly is a difficult person |
| 19:48.47 | Cyorxamp | That was easy :S |
| 19:49.02 | Cyorxamp | Me? difficult- yup |
| 19:52.29 | hrw | hi |
| 19:52.50 | hrw | 1st thing to do: /ignore Cyorxamp - status: done |
| 19:52.50 | TheFool | hello |
| 19:53.36 | Cyorxamp | yes the people with problems need ignoring immediately! |
| 19:54.24 | CoreDump|home | wb hrw |
| 19:54.55 | TheFool | I really fail to understand people like him, it is not as if the members of this chat room sold him an application that did not work, developers spent their own time unpaid to create an OS that seems to work for all but an unlucky few. |
| 19:55.23 | Cyorxamp | and then get all arogant and bitchy about it when people don't get it |
| 19:55.53 | TheFool | btw, I must reallllly be slow I just realized earlier today that you two were someof the lead developers for OZ |
| 19:56.00 | hrw | :) |
| 19:56.10 | Cyorxamp | hrw and coredump as the best people to insult |
| 19:56.50 | TheFool | I was wondering why you had such a massive feed of applications for OZ |
| 19:57.03 | hrw | and few more |
| 19:57.20 | hrw | ah.. and I organize developers for donated machines from time to time |
| 19:57.22 | TheFool | and CoreDump|home is the hentges guy right? |
| 19:57.27 | CoreDump|home | hrw: you are pretty much OZ ;) |
| 19:57.39 | hrw | TheFool: Matthias 'CoreDump' Hentges he is |
| 19:58.02 | Cyorxamp | or the guy who goes afk when it gets too difficult |
| 19:58.14 | hrw | die, collie, die! |
| 19:58.27 | TheFool | no no never say die |
| 19:59.09 | hrw | I can exchange working collie (with original box even) for working sl-a300 (with working battery and cf jacket) |
| 19:59.15 | TheFool | I know its a pain in the butt to get something working on 14mb's but with OZ the collie is super useful |
| 19:59.27 | CoreDump|home | hrw: any news about kergoth writing the 2.6 SD driver for collie? |
| 19:59.37 | hrw | TheFool: I even connected mine to charger today ;) |
| 19:59.40 | hrw | CoreDump|home: no |
| 20:00.01 | hrw | TheFool: just to recognize that it has 3.5.4.2-rc1 bootstrap/2.6 image on it. |
| 20:00.05 | CoreDump|home | damn shame |
| 20:00.11 | kerwood | hrw: now that the SNR of the channel is higher now, perhaps you could answer my questions about USB<->serial adapters |
| 20:00.11 | kerwood | do I have to mknod /dev/ttyUSB0 or will it "appear" when the module gets loaded? |
| 20:00.42 | hrw | kerwood: no idea |
| 20:02.04 | kerwood | hrw: ah, well...it does seem as though all the right modules are present...I'll pursue it later... |
| 20:02.21 | joshin | Now with a 2.6 kernel, I'd actually use my collie (and could standardize my NSLU2 & collie feeds) |
| 20:02.36 | hrw | kerwood: run udevmonitor and then plug device |
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| 20:02.44 | TheFool | would I be correct in assuming that is a long way off? |
| 20:02.45 | hrw | ~lart vmware |
| 20:02.55 | Cyorxamp | Does anyone have the opera ipkg to save me from making one by reflashing? |
| 20:03.31 | CoreDump|home | Cyorxamp: check oesf.org |
| 20:03.48 | Cyorxamp | if it was on oesf.org wouldnt it be blatently illegal to advertise it?> |
| 20:04.10 | CoreDump|home | search the posts, you should come up w/ links |
| 20:04.55 | Cyorxamp | i dont like konquerer much, it just doesnt work |
| 20:06.00 | Cyorxamp | nope i cant see any links... there used to be one |
| 20:06.07 | Cyorxamp | got pulled down tho... do u have the file coredump? |
| 20:06.25 | CoreDump|home | nope |
| 20:07.36 | Cyorxamp | ill reflash then |
| 20:08.11 | kerwood | hrw: thanks, I'll have to try it at home tonight -- duty calls... |
| 20:09.56 | hrw | np |
| 20:10.16 | hrw | kerwood: I do not have usb<>serial devices so cant tell now |
| 20:10.45 | Cyorxamp | while im on the sharp rom.. is the anything else worth pulling off? |
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| 20:11.34 | kantlivelong | hey all |
| 20:11.42 | CoreDump|home | hi kantlivelong |
| 20:11.44 | kantlivelong | i have a question about the latest poodle kernel |
| 20:11.54 | kantlivelong | does the clock work? |
| 20:12.00 | kantlivelong | mine keeps resetting to 1970 |
| 20:12.12 | hrw | kantlivelong: zaurus machines lack hardware clock |
| 20:13.06 | kantlivelong | hrw: oh.. why does gpe/poodle have a clock then? |
| 20:13.13 | kantlivelong | erm |
| 20:13.20 | kantlivelong | s/poodle/opie/g |
| 20:13.43 | hrw | ? |
| 20:14.03 | kantlivelong | why do gpe/opie have clock support then? |
| 20:14.51 | kantlivelong | im surprised sharp hasnt release docs about the sl-5600 yet |
| 20:15.07 | hrw | kantlivelong: 5600 is good supported under 2.6 |
| 20:15.12 | hrw | 5000/5500 is nightmare |
| 20:15.23 | kantlivelong | i have 5600 |
| 20:15.25 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong: you only loose your clock if you reboot the machine. |
| 20:15.31 | kantlivelong | but theres no sd |
| 20:15.33 | kantlivelong | on 2.6 |
| 20:15.45 | hrw | kantlivelong: NO SHIT |
| 20:15.47 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong: there is on poodle :) |
| 20:15.48 | hrw | please.... |
| 20:16.09 | Cyorxamp | scowls at coredump |
| 20:16.13 | kantlivelong | ...? |
| 20:16.25 | hvontres|poodle | ~poodle |
| 20:16.26 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, poodle is sl-5600/b500, or a dog |
| 20:16.31 | kantlivelong | so theres 2.6poodle sd? |
| 20:16.31 | hrw | the ONLY situation WHEN zaurus DOES NOT have sd/mmc support IS collie (5000/5500) under kernel 2.6 |
| 20:16.40 | kantlivelong | oh |
| 20:16.44 | kantlivelong | im sorry |
| 20:17.02 | kantlivelong | i hate to say it tho but the docs arent very organized.. |
| 20:17.03 | kantlivelong | but ok |
| 20:17.05 | hvontres|poodle | I am running 2.6 on my 5600 and I can report that SD works fine...rumor has it you can even go over 1 GB now :) |
| 20:17.11 | kantlivelong | where do i get a 2.6 kernel for poodle? |
| 20:17.17 | hrw | kantlivelong: I used 2.4 on ALL zaurus families, and 2.6 too |
| 20:17.22 | hrw | kantlivelong: grab OZ 3.5.4.2-rc2 |
| 20:17.29 | kantlivelong | hrw ok |
| 20:17.35 | hrw | hvontres|poodle: I tested 2G on c7x0 |
| 20:17.43 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong: I would highly reccomend the latest release from CoreDump |
| 20:17.48 | kantlivelong | hrw do i need to reinstall my fs too? |
| 20:17.53 | hvontres|poodle | err, I mean RC |
| 20:17.53 | hrw | yes |
| 20:18.02 | kantlivelong | aww... |
| 20:18.48 | hvontres|poodle | hrw : cool. I wasn't sure, so I only bought a 1 GB card... maybe next time I'll go bigger..:) |
| 20:19.46 | kantlivelong | so does altboot work w/ 2.6? |
| 20:19.55 | Cyorxamp | CoreDump, your instructions for getting opera on ur site aint working so well - i dont seen any libqte.so.2.3.2 in my /lib |
| 20:20.03 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong: yes. |
| 20:20.06 | Cyorxamp | altho it has made the opera 6 ipkg file |
| 20:20.39 | hrw | the only thing which does not work on poodle is 'suspend on cancel' |
| 20:20.50 | Cyorxamp | so your saying its your instructions but you dont care they dont work? |
| 20:21.25 | kantlivelong | suspend on cancel? |
| 20:21.28 | kantlivelong | oh |
| 20:21.32 | kantlivelong | so theres no suspend support? |
| 20:21.39 | CoreDump|home | Cyorxamp: correct |
| 20:21.40 | hrw | you can suspend |
| 20:21.49 | hrw | but not via holding cancel key |
| 20:21.52 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : no, you just have to use the menu..:) |
| 20:22.00 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: oh ok :) |
| 20:22.08 | hrw | OT: someone know how to give USB devices for vmware? |
| 20:22.14 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home : Where did the poodle images go to? |
| 20:22.15 | Cyorxamp | coredump, and thats exactly why you belong on freenode :P |
| 20:22.25 | kantlivelong | are there any plans to reorganize oZ? maybe a cleaner approach? |
| 20:22.32 | hrw | I need to sniff some usb traffic from windows. |
| 20:22.45 | hrw | kantlivelong: more details please |
| 20:23.10 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : try here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ |
| 20:23.54 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: whats thart |
| 20:24.26 | kantlivelong | ah |
| 20:24.27 | kantlivelong | ok |
| 20:24.29 | hvontres|poodle | It is sort of like OZ TNG..:) |
| 20:24.59 | CoreDump|home | hvontres|poodle: they are gone for now |
| 20:25.00 | hrw | kantlivelong: angstrom is a distro which will replace OZ and few other distros |
| 20:25.17 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home : When do you think they will be back? |
| 20:25.18 | Cyorxamp | but doesnt look like its doing anything new - at all |
| 20:25.50 | CoreDump|home | hvontres|poodle: that might take some time :\ |
| 20:26.10 | Cyorxamp | ok now you have my attention |
| 20:26.19 | kantlivelong | ah' |
| 20:26.19 | Cyorxamp | Angstrom is HTC universal!? |
| 20:26.43 | kantlivelong | i aprreciate the efforts of oZ. :) |
| 20:26.52 | Cyorxamp | i dont! |
| 20:26.59 | kantlivelong | does clock work in 2.6 either? |
| 20:30.25 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong: the clock works fine as long as you don't reboot. The 5600 does not have a seprate RTC, so on a hard reboot, the clock is lost. |
| 20:30.26 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: even on the stock install? |
| 20:30.26 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : shap cheated by writing the time to a file every so often and on reboot you would only be off by ~2-3 minutes |
| 20:30.26 | kantlivelong | ah |
| 20:30.27 | kantlivelong | so stock roms reset the time too then rite? |
| 20:30.27 | hvontres|poodle | I think the new OZ releaes set the clock the the build time of the kernel... |
| 20:30.27 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : yes |
| 20:30.27 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: ah ok :) |
| 20:30.27 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : it is just not that obvious :) |
| 20:30.51 | kantlivelong | yeah, when using linux or any pc, you get used to a RTC |
| 20:30.52 | hvontres|poodle | ntpate is /me's friend |
| 20:31.25 | kantlivelong | now may i ask why oZ doesnt use /boot? |
| 20:31.50 | hrw | kantlivelong: for kernels? |
| 20:31.50 | kantlivelong | hrw: yes |
| 20:31.54 | hrw | kantlivelong: because sharp bootloader does not support it |
| 20:32.24 | kantlivelong | hrw: ah.. not possible to mod it? |
| 20:32.50 | JustinP | kantlivelong: it's built into the Z |
| 20:32.55 | JustinP | kantlivelong: not quite the same as a desktop |
| 20:33.19 | hrw | some models can be switched to u-boot but this give too many problems for users so we do not follow this way |
| 20:33.20 | JustinP | kantlivelong: we'd welcome hacking of it, but you're likely to brick your Z |
| 20:33.20 | kantlivelong | JustinP: yeah i figured.. |
| 20:33.30 | kantlivelong | im just being curious |
| 20:33.50 | kantlivelong | now is there a way to update the kernel w/o removing the fs |
| 20:33.53 | hrw | kantlivelong: flash only kernel |
| 20:34.20 | kantlivelong | yeah |
| 20:34.20 | hrw | argh.. vmware is sluggish today |
| 20:35.50 | kantlivelong | hrw: anyway? |
| 20:36.20 | hrw | kantlivelong: put kernel and updater on card and flash |
| 20:36.28 | kantlivelong | hrw: ah i had a feeling thats all that was needed.. didnt wanna try for fear of brick |
| 20:36.45 | hrw | only collie can be bricked |
| 20:36.50 | kantlivelong | ah ok |
| 20:37.20 | kantlivelong | i just like to play it safe.. the zaurus is rare and i dun wanna loose it :) |
| 20:37.20 | kantlivelong | i spent months lookin for it @ a ggood price |
| 20:37.21 | kantlivelong | i got mine for $180 |
| 20:37.28 | kantlivelong | i got it new pratically |
| 20:38.50 | hrw | I would not pay 180$ for poodle |
| 20:39.24 | kantlivelong | hrw: why not? |
| 20:39.50 | kantlivelong | hrw: where u live? |
| 20:39.50 | hrw | kantlivelong: Poznan, Poland, Europe |
| 20:40.21 | kantlivelong | hrw: thats why.. im in US where they cant be bought newheres but ebay |
| 20:40.22 | hrw | anyway I had to pay 100$ at customs when poodle/tosa for OE project arrived |
| 20:40.50 | hrw | kantlivelong: show me place outside of Japan when I can buy zaurus... |
| 20:40.56 | kantlivelong | hrw: they used to be sold in the US |
| 20:41.00 | kantlivelong | the 5600 that is |
| 20:42.23 | hrw | ARGH!!!!!!!1 |
| 20:42.29 | kantlivelong | hrw: |
| 20:42.30 | kantlivelong | ? |
| 20:42.50 | hrw | I want vmware to WORK |
| 20:42.51 | hrw | its so fucking sluggish... |
| 20:43.20 | hrw | at work I have much slower machine and win2k is much faster in vwmare then here... |
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| 20:44.21 | mimecar | hi |
| 20:44.21 | kantlivelong | heya |
| 20:51.30 | mimecar | hi kantlivelong |
| 20:51.51 | kantlivelong | sup? |
| 20:52.21 | mimecar | there is no many conversation today |
| 20:52.21 | kantlivelong | so if i install gpe i can use fluxbox instead rite? |
| 20:52.22 | mimecar | all the peopple is dinning ;) |
| 20:52.22 | kantlivelong | nope |
| 20:52.22 | Cyorxamp | Packages was terminated due to signal code SIGSEGV |
| 20:52.22 | CoreDump|home | n8 |
| 20:52.22 | mimecar | what's your zaurus model ? |
| 20:52.22 | hrw | mimecar: good idea |
| 20:52.22 | hrw | cu CoreDump|home |
| 20:52.26 | kerwood | hrw: http://sourceforge.net/projects/usbsnoop |
| 20:52.30 | kantlivelong | mine is a poodle |
| 20:52.52 | mimecar | SL-6000, isn't it ? |
| 20:53.00 | mimecar | hrw: you should dinner before 23:00 |
| 20:53.17 | kerwood | cu |
| 20:53.25 | hrw | mimecar: 7 minutes left |
| 20:53.53 | mimecar | 23:00 + - 7 minutes ;) |
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| 20:54.55 | mimecar | hrw: you said some time ago you have some zaurus |
| 20:55.22 | mimecar | and you didn't use for "dalily" use |
| 20:55.52 | mimecar | did you use some pda or only use a paper and pen? (it's only curiosity) |
| 20:56.59 | hrw | mimecar: no pda usage. phone took simple pim tasks |
| 20:57.22 | mimecar | ok |
| 20:58.33 | hrw | ~curse vmware |
| 20:58.34 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, vmware ! |
| 21:00.22 | mimecar | is related perl with vmware ? |
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| 21:14.23 | Cyorxamp | Packages was terminated due to signal code SIGSEGV |
| 21:14.32 | Cyorxamp | Why do I get that when I go on the Packages icon? |
| 21:14.36 | Cyorxamp | it used to work fine |
| 21:14.45 | mimecar | can you launch it on console ? |
| 21:14.50 | Cyorxamp | whats the command? |
| 21:15.09 | mimecar | I don't know the program your are running |
| 21:15.20 | mimecar | on opie you have a terminal application |
| 21:15.26 | Cyorxamp | yeah im already on it |
| 21:15.29 | Cyorxamp | im using opie |
| 21:15.41 | Cyorxamp | im in konsole - what should I try? |
| 21:16.29 | mimecar | what's the program you want run ? |
| 21:16.49 | Cyorxamp | the 'Packages' program thats listing in the settings tab |
| 21:17.04 | mimecar | i think is opie-packagemanager |
| 21:17.14 | mimecar | have you update the system ? |
| 21:17.35 | Cyorxamp | dunno what ive done |
| 21:18.30 | hrw | cu |
| 21:18.44 | mimecar | running from console or after updating ? |
| 21:18.51 | Cyorxamp | what? |
| 21:18.57 | Cyorxamp | whats all this about updating? |
| 21:19.06 | mimecar | running the package manager from console |
| 21:19.16 | Cyorxamp | i cant konsole keeps crashing |
| 21:19.26 | mimecar | if you have a net connection you can upgrade the programs |
| 21:19.38 | mimecar | if that's the problem, you should reflash |
| 21:19.42 | Cyorxamp | tried that |
| 21:19.49 | Cyorxamp | ipkg updater |
| 21:19.51 | Cyorxamp | *update |
| 21:19.57 | Cyorxamp | and i put my wifi cf in it |
| 21:20.07 | mimecar | ipkg update |
| 21:20.11 | mimecar | ipkg upgrade |
| 21:21.23 | Cyorxamp | your not making very much sense |
| 21:21.48 | mimecar | sorry |
| 21:21.56 | mimecar | first you must update the package list on zaurus |
| 21:22.02 | Cyorxamp | why? |
| 21:22.12 | Cyorxamp | btw this is opie running from an SD |
| 21:22.26 | mimecar | your zaurus don't know if the're update programs on the net |
| 21:22.37 | mimecar | and ? |
| 21:22.44 | Cyorxamp | and ? |
| 21:22.50 | mimecar | there's no problem with that configuration |
| 21:22.51 | mimecar | opie on sd |
| 21:22.57 | Cyorxamp | ok |
| 21:23.06 | Cyorxamp | well i rebooted im back in opie |
| 21:23.19 | Cyorxamp | 'Packages' icon still wont load up |
| 21:23.40 | mimecar | after the two command (ipkg update and upkg upgrade) ? |
| 21:24.22 | Cyorxamp | running update now |
| 21:24.37 | Cyorxamp | keeps getting 404 erros |
| 21:24.44 | Cyorxamp | and looking in a colli not a collie directory |
| 21:25.09 | mimecar | 1º you must have a wifi card |
| 21:25.20 | Cyorxamp | yeah its already in |
| 21:25.21 | mimecar | 2º net conection must run (try ping www.google.es) |
| 21:25.28 | Cyorxamp | i can already ping it |
| 21:25.42 | mimecar | if you write ipkg update, zaurus will connect to internet |
| 21:25.52 | Cyorxamp | its already on the net |
| 21:26.05 | Cyorxamp | but the update fails |
| 21:26.11 | Cyorxamp | some attempts result in 404 errors |
| 21:26.34 | Cyorxamp | is there a sources.list like apt-get uses? |
| 21:27.11 | mimecar | what zaurus and rom version do you use ? |
| 21:27.24 | Cyorxamp | the latest hentges opie rom on a collie |
| 21:27.54 | Cyorxamp | 3.5.4.1-rc4 |
| 21:27.57 | mimecar | I don't know if hentege rom change some things |
| 21:28.06 | mimecar | rc are inestable version |
| 21:28.09 | Cyorxamp | well it tries to connect to the hentges servers |
| 21:28.11 | mimecar | ir can not work |
| 21:28.27 | Cyorxamp | CoreDump you about? |
| 21:28.49 | Cyorxamp | theres gotta be a sources.list file someplace |
| 21:28.56 | Cyorxamp | i get coredump just spelt an entry in it wrong |
| 21:28.59 | Cyorxamp | *bet |
| 21:29.19 | mimecar | on etc/ipkg.conf |
| 21:29.22 | mimecar | for openzaurus |
| 21:30.23 | Cyorxamp | let me check these URLS with firefox on my pc |
| 21:31.34 | Cyorxamp | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4.1/feed/upgrades/ |
| 21:31.36 | Cyorxamp | exists |
| 21:31.47 | Cyorxamp | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4.1/feed/upgrades/machine/colli |
| 21:31.50 | Cyorxamp | does not exist tho |
| 21:32.01 | mimecar | it should be ..../collie |
| 21:32.28 | Cyorxamp | theres no machine dir in upgrades neither |
| 21:32.37 | Cyorxamp | only a machine dir in the feed dir |
| 21:32.58 | mimecar | 3.5.4.1 is not a stable version for collie |
| 21:33.03 | mimecar | only 3.5.4 |
| 21:33.16 | Cyorxamp | well this is 3.5.4.1 as coredump told me to use it |
| 21:33.41 | mimecar | hentege can use a more update packages |
| 21:33.44 | Cyorxamp | im going thru the rigmaroll of getting it to work again - its taken me days |
| 21:34.30 | Cyorxamp | well well only that one dir dont exist |
| 21:35.01 | Cyorxamp | / |
| 21:35.01 | Cyorxamp | <Cyorxamp> exists |
| 21:35.05 | Cyorxamp | oops |
| 21:35.07 | Cyorxamp | http://www.oz.hentges.net/hentges-feeds/3.5.4.1/ |
| 21:35.14 | Cyorxamp | in there machine and upgrades exists |
| 21:35.22 | Cyorxamp | which is what ive got in ipkg.conf |
| 21:35.45 | Cyorxamp | so it looks fine |
| 21:35.48 | Cyorxamp | whats next upgrade? |
| 21:36.03 | mimecar | after ipkg update |
| 21:36.07 | mimecar | ipkg upgrade |
| 21:36.22 | mimecar | all the system is updated with both commands |
| 21:36.37 | Cyorxamp | well its thinking |
| 21:37.02 | Cyorxamp | its tryin to download but gets lots of host name lookup failures |
| 21:37.16 | mimecar | that's a problem |
| 21:37.30 | Cyorxamp | infact i cant ping google anymore :S |
| 21:37.32 | Cyorxamp | wtf |
| 21:37.49 | Cyorxamp | restartin wifi |
| 21:38.47 | Cyorxamp | now my d-link wifi card is showing as 'Anonymous Memory; |
| 21:39.39 | mimecar | with gpe I "lost" the wifi card |
| 21:39.57 | mimecar | it can be a similar problem after upgrade |
| 21:39.57 | Cyorxamp | ok i can ping google again |
| 21:40.00 | Cyorxamp | ill update and upgrade |
| 21:40.04 | mimecar | xDD |
| 21:41.00 | Cyorxamp | ok the wifi has gone again |
| 21:41.07 | Cyorxamp | im sick of this |
| 21:41.22 | mimecar | with the upgrade process ? |
| 21:41.30 | Cyorxamp | yeah |
| 21:41.37 | Cyorxamp | it just stopped half way thru |
| 21:41.47 | Cyorxamp | the update process did, host name error |
| 21:42.15 | mimecar | there's something wrong with net connection |
| 21:43.09 | Cyorxamp | its downloading upgrades |
| 21:43.29 | Cyorxamp | and installing them |
| 21:44.11 | Cyorxamp | how will this fix me getting into the packages icon? |
| 21:44.49 | mimecar | it can be some update for your problem |
| 21:45.04 | Cyorxamp | so your taking a wild guess? |
| 21:45.12 | mimecar | no |
| 21:45.19 | mimecar | if there's a bug on a program |
| 21:45.27 | mimecar | the only solution is upgrade the program |
| 21:45.44 | mimecar | if the author have release a solution, it will find it on the update |
| 21:45.57 | Cyorxamp | well it didnt work |
| 21:46.14 | mimecar | did update all the programs ? |
| 21:46.18 | Cyorxamp | yup |
| 21:46.18 | mimecar | or you got errors ? |
| 21:46.20 | Cyorxamp | no |
| 21:46.52 | mimecar | if the problem is not solve |
| 21:47.03 | mimecar | you must try another day for an update version |
| 21:47.24 | Cyorxamp | never speak to me again |
| 21:47.44 | mimecar | ok |
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| 21:48.09 | mimecar | hi kantlivelong |
| 21:48.13 | kantlivelong | hmm 2.6 wont install |
| 21:48.27 | mimecar | zaurus model ? |
| 21:51.18 | kantlivelong | poodle |
| 21:51.21 | kantlivelong | 5600 |
| 21:52.09 | mimecar | with the 3.5.4.2 version ? |
| 21:52.27 | kantlivelong | yeah its not copying the latest kernel, and yes.. it wont update to 2.6.. it installed the fs tho |
| 21:52.32 | mimecar | or upgrading for a previous version |
| 21:52.40 | kantlivelong | fresh install |
| 21:53.43 | Cyorxamp | does anyone have libqte.so.2.3.2 ?? |
| 21:53.43 | mimecar | then you have installed 3.5.4.2 , haven't you ? |
| 21:54.30 | kantlivelong | mimecar: im trying to yes |
| 21:55.43 | mimecar | that's a release candidate |
| 21:55.57 | mimecar | it can not work |
| 21:56.29 | kantlivelong | there we go |
| 21:56.31 | kantlivelong | it went now |
| 21:56.37 | kantlivelong | the new logo is nice |
| 21:56.56 | mimecar | yes |
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| 21:57.57 | kantlivelong | hmm 3.5.4.2 has a kernel version problem.. says it expects rc0 but i hhave rc1 |
| 21:58.16 | kantlivelong | wack |
| 21:58.17 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong: you can ignore that for now |
| 21:58.40 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: OK |
| 21:58.52 | kantlivelong | wow simply love the bootsplash thing |
| 22:00.01 | mimecar | xDD |
| 22:00.06 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong: once you are up, you can edit /etc/init.d/checkverson |
| 22:00.25 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong: err, I mean /etc/init.d/checkversoin |
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| 22:00.33 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong: err, I mean /etc/init.d/checkversion |
| 22:00.39 | hvontres|poodle | ~lard lysdexia |
| 22:00.41 | kantlivelong | ok ty :) |
| 22:00.41 | mimecar | perfect :) |
| 22:00.45 | hvontres|poodle | ~lart lysdexia |
| 22:00.56 | mimecar | ~lart windows |
| 22:01.14 | mimecar | who wrote that :) ? |
| 22:01.44 | hvontres|poodle | mimecar: who wrote what? |
| 22:02.00 | mimecar | the ibot response for windows |
| 22:02.25 | hvontres|poodle | mimecar: its a random thing... |
| 22:02.28 | hvontres|poodle | ~lart windows |
| 22:03.26 | kantlivelong | also the boot image doesnt exit :| |
| 22:04.04 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong: what do you mean? |
| 22:04.32 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: the bootsplash wont go back to a term in the bootstrap install, like it stays on the splash until i switch terms manually |
| 22:05.42 | kantlivelong | does suspend work on cf for 2.6? |
| 22:05.48 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong: ahh,yes.. the bootspalsh is on vt2, which gets overwritten by opie eventually. you can do a <fn>-left arrow during boot to see you boot messages |
| 22:06.06 | hvontres|poodle | do you mean suspend on off? |
| 22:06.18 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: yeah suspend the z not the cf |
| 22:06.27 | kantlivelong | when installed on the cf |
| 22:07.17 | hvontres|poodle | hmmm, I have never tried that.. I have always used my SD |
| 22:07.45 | kantlivelong | yah just asking cuz i have a 1gb cf and a 1gb sd |
| 22:07.54 | kantlivelong | id much rather have SD for storage |
| 22:08.09 | hvontres|poodle | do you have wifi? |
| 22:08.48 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: oh duh, not yet but i am buying a CF wifi so that wont work lol |
| 22:09.40 | hvontres|poodle | I used a 1 GB SD for installing stuff and I have a 5GB æ-Drive for my mp3's/ogg's |
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| 22:09.59 | kantlivelong | gaim crash lol |
| 22:10.14 | hvontres|poodle | I used a 1 GB SD for installing stuff and I have a 5GB æ-Drive for my mp3's/ogg's |
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| 22:11.21 | kantlivelong | is it possible to extract the fs .bins? |
| 22:11.32 | hvontres|poodle | opps, I think I might have killed your gaim...:) |
| 22:11.50 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: hah what you do |
| 22:12.07 | hvontres|poodle | I had a non-ascii char in my line |
| 22:12.25 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: ah :) odd im on 2.0.0 beta |
| 22:12.27 | kantlivelong | so thats odd |
| 22:12.36 | kantlivelong | but neways |
| 22:12.53 | kantlivelong | i want just rootfs/swap on SD then the CF then the ROM |
| 22:12.57 | kantlivelong | do i need /mnt/ram? |
| 22:13.35 | kantlivelong | as i asked b4 tho.. (dunno if it sent) can i extract the initrd.bin's? |
| 22:14.21 | hvontres|poodle | I think so, but I am not sure how. But I think there is a rootfs tarball at oesf as well. |
| 22:14.37 | kantlivelong | for the zaurus GPE? |
| 22:16.11 | kantlivelong | ive tried OPIE but i really want true X11.. |
| 22:16.33 | hvontres|poodle | try here: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/3.5.4.2-test/rc2/poodle/tarballs/ |
| 22:16.52 | mimecar | gpe looks fine |
| 22:17.01 | mimecar | but there are not many applications |
| 22:17.01 | kantlivelong | ah ty |
| 22:17.14 | hvontres|poodle | well, I have tried GPE on my 5600 and it was not pretty. I think it needs more tweaking to fit into 32MB |
| 22:17.27 | kantlivelong | mimecar: i wanted X11 support that the GPE package provides... i really am gonna use fluxbox |
| 22:17.42 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: well i have 128mb swap on sd |
| 22:17.49 | mimecar | hvontres|poodle: gpe is equal to gnome |
| 22:17.55 | mimecar | not prety by default |
| 22:18.14 | kantlivelong | i hate gnome.. but i like gtk :) |
| 22:18.18 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : might work, but it will be dog slow. |
| 22:18.38 | hvontres|poodle | but again, your milage may vary :) |
| 22:18.50 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: :) |
| 22:19.19 | mimecar | hvontres|poodle: look this screenshot http://handhelds.org/~gpe/albums/themes-and-art/pantalla_utilidades.thumb.png |
| 22:19.22 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: ill give it a try.. now w/ the 2.4 kernel i had to hack my fs to disable SD manager cuz for some reason the bootstrap already loaded ut |
| 22:19.33 | mimecar | or http://handhelds.org/~gpe/albums/themes-and-art/port_20135.thumb.png |
| 22:19.41 | mimecar | gpe look & feel can be improved |
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| 22:20.11 | kantlivelong | whoops accedently exited |
| 22:20.35 | hvontres|poodle | mimecar: I did not mean the ui was ugly, just the experience of running GPE on a 5600 |
| 22:20.45 | mimecar | ok |
| 22:20.53 | mimecar | you have some apps bigger than screen |
| 22:21.07 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: im sure the swap will work fine |
| 22:21.15 | mimecar | night all |
| 22:21.19 | kantlivelong | night |
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| 22:21.52 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : oh it will work... eventually :) |
| 22:22.10 | kantlivelong | <3 swap |
| 22:22.15 | kantlivelong | so i dont need /media/ram etc? |
| 22:22.45 | hvontres|poodle | I need to play with GPE again some time. I have my machine set up to boot GPE from my SD card.. |
| 22:22.55 | kantlivelong | <3 sd |
| 22:23.23 | hvontres|poodle | where are you looking? |
| 22:23.51 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: ? |
| 22:24.27 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : yes, you still need it. thats where your /tmp and /var are mounted |
| 22:24.51 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: i was hoping to do it all on sd |
| 22:25.27 | hvontres|poodle | hmmm... I wonder if GPE puts a bunch of stuff in /var..... |
| 22:25.44 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: putting on sd wont hurt rite? |
| 22:26.48 | hvontres|poodle | The only problem I could see would be that a lot of files in /var get overwritten a bunch so you could wear a "hole" into your flash |
| 22:27.08 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: dunno how |
| 22:27.26 | hvontres|poodle | s/flash/sd/ |
| 22:28.16 | kantlivelong | eh it would take awhile tho rite? |
| 22:28.49 | hvontres|poodle | probaly. I have been using swap on SD for quite some time now. :) |
| 22:29.14 | kantlivelong | thats fine then... i buy my sds on ebay for like $20 anyways |
| 22:29.36 | hvontres|poodle | give it a shot then...:) |
| 22:34.14 | kantlivelong | wow |
| 22:34.20 | kantlivelong | only using 30% mem |
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| 22:40.01 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : running bootstrap or GPE? |
| 22:40.44 | kantlivelong | GPE, it mustve calced something wrong |
| 22:41.12 | kantlivelong | gah i need a CF reader/writer lol |
| 22:41.24 | kantlivelong | would help me stop rebooting every 5 secs |
| 22:41.52 | hvontres|poodle | what does free say? |
| 22:42.28 | kantlivelong | 29mb used thats y i was confused.. but it ran rather fast still, but im gonna try fluxbox :) |
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| 23:04.55 | kantlivelong | gah |
| 23:05.10 | kantlivelong | how do i install libstdg++ !? the + signs make it fail |
| 23:05.49 | kantlivelong | libstd++ |
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| 23:08.19 | kantlivelong | ne1 here? |
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| 23:10.07 | kantlivelong | how can i start fluxbox on the gpe fs? |
| 23:12.05 | Cyorxamp | sometimes when my wifi card is in the screen goes into a frantic multicolour mess all over |
| 23:12.16 | Cyorxamp | when i take it out the screen goes perfectly back to normal |
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| 23:21.01 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : did you install fluxbox or fluxbox-gpe? |
| 23:21.08 | kantlivelong | fluxbox.. |
| 23:21.24 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: i dont want anything to do w/ GPE apps.. i want a plain fluxbox wm |
| 23:22.38 | hvontres|poodle | you might want to check with CoreDump|afk tomorow, but as i recall, fluxbox-gpe was intended to install in a gpe install and replace matchbox |
| 23:23.14 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: hmmm but how would i start a blank wm? |
| 23:23.39 | kantlivelong | i just want pure fluxbox.. no PIM stuff.. |
| 23:23.44 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : sorry, can't help you there |
| 23:23.49 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: ah ok np |
| 23:24.43 | hvontres|poodle | you might want to check over on #gpe or #oe, but I think all the "smart" people are off for the night... |
| 23:24.58 | kantlivelong | awww |
| 23:24.58 | hvontres|poodle | ~lart 8hr time shift |
| 23:25.12 | kantlivelong | hah |
| 23:25.14 | kantlivelong | shift? |
| 23:30.07 | JustinP | kantlivelong: "blank"? |
| 23:30.15 | JustinP | kantlivelong: did you install the gpe image? |
| 23:30.41 | JustinP | sorry, I don't read everything in the channel, just pop in now and then ;-) |
| 23:31.05 | kantlivelong | JustinP: i have GPE installed, but i wanna use fluxbox instead of GPE... |
| 23:32.43 | JustinP | kantlivelong: ok, well, if you installed GPE then you have the PIM and all the apps...installing another WM won't change that |
| 23:32.44 | JustinP | kantlivelong: if you want bare X then install bootstrap-image and then install fluxbox |
| 23:32.44 | JustinP | kantlivelong: and then whichever progs you want |
| 23:33.01 | kantlivelong | JustinP: i dont mind having the pim stuff but i wanna use fluxbox as the wm |
| 23:35.12 | JustinP | kantlivelong: ok...well....install fluxbox then uninstall matchbox I'd think |
| 23:35.49 | kantlivelong | still need to tell GPE login mgr how to run flux |
| 23:36.01 | JustinP | it *should* automatically do it... |
| 23:36.11 | JustinP | but if it doesn't, look in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ |
| 23:36.16 | kantlivelong | kk' |
| 23:36.42 | *** join/#openzaurus summatusmentis (n=summatus@206-15-138-240.dialup.ziplink.net) |
| 23:36.51 | kantlivelong | mmm scooter |
| 23:36.52 | kantlivelong | :) |
| 23:36.58 | hvontres|poodle | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/fb/?action=details&pnm=fluxbox-gpe |
| 23:37.58 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: yeah that still loads the desktop tho doesnt it? |
| 23:38.42 | JustinP | "the desktop" is what matchbox does....AFAIK |
| 23:39.30 | kantlivelong | ah |
| 23:39.42 | kantlivelong | well ill try it after.. this is just a mess around w/ install anyways |
| 23:41.21 | kantlivelong | woo |
| 23:41.24 | kantlivelong | i got it |
| 23:41.26 | kantlivelong | mmm fluxbox |
| 23:41.46 | kantlivelong | need to shrink the font massivly |
| 23:41.47 | kantlivelong | lol |
| 23:43.43 | kantlivelong | haha this is too cool |
| 23:44.58 | summatusmentis | I came in late, running fluxbox on your Z? |
| 23:45.06 | kantlivelong | summatusmentis: yep :) |
| 23:45.32 | summatusmentis | heh, I'll have to try it, once I get a 1000 |
| 23:45.41 | kantlivelong | summatusmentis: im using 5600 tho lol |
| 23:46.19 | summatusmentis | yeah, I liked fluxbox because of keybindings and stuff, but I think the keys on the 5x00 series are too small |
| 23:46.29 | kantlivelong | ah :P |
| 23:46.34 | kantlivelong | well gota remember |
| 23:46.37 | kantlivelong | theres the menu button |
| 23:46.45 | kantlivelong | so u can use fluxmenu |
| 23:47.09 | kantlivelong | im playin w/ it now |
| 23:47.33 | kantlivelong | i liked opie but its too bad its not X11 |
| 23:47.42 | kantlivelong | and i need x11 |
| 23:47.54 | summatusmentis | I think you can do X in opie, or something like that |
| 23:48.08 | kantlivelong | well i mean id prefer opie run on X |
| 23:48.23 | summatusmentis | some package, if I'm correct, will enable x for opie |
| 23:48.27 | kantlivelong | hmm |
| 23:49.03 | summatusmentis | don't quote me on that, I'd make sure before re-flashing |
| 23:49.11 | JustinP | xqt |
| 23:49.23 | kantlivelong | summatusmentis: im not concerned.. its on SD :) |
| 23:49.44 | summatusmentis | I think that's what I'd heard about, JustinP |
| 23:50.21 | kantlivelong | yep it is |
| 23:50.27 | kantlivelong | but its prolly a mem hog |
| 23:50.57 | kantlivelong | is gpe skinabble? |
| 23:51.22 | JustinP | themes, yeah |
| 23:51.42 | kantlivelong | JustinP: toolbar too rite? |
| 23:52.05 | JustinP | I would assume so |
| 23:52.30 | kantlivelong | hmm |
| 23:52.33 | kantlivelong | ill try it |
| 23:52.48 | kantlivelong | i must say.. 2.6 kernel is amazing |
| 23:52.52 | summatusmentis | kantlivelong, yes |
| 23:52.57 | summatusmentis | for some anyway |
| 23:53.07 | summatusmentis | :-/ another reason for upgrading |
| 23:53.21 | kantlivelong | :| |
| 23:54.01 | kantlivelong | i need a cf r/w for my laptop.. i keep needing to reboot Z to add ipkgs |
| 23:54.09 | kantlivelong | idk how to do the usb net w/ gentoo |
| 23:55.40 | kantlivelong | so is cpufreq a good idea to use? or is 100mhz way to low |
