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| 00:04.59 | sirius|pda | yo |
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| 02:05.00 | seth1248 | How can I make it so that my nfs files can be mounted as a non-root user (I keep getting: permission denied. (are you root?))? |
| 02:05.49 | NAbyss | Put user in the fstab options? |
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| 02:09.22 | AzzIzzA | depends on your settings, some versions of nfs expect connections to come from privledged ports, in that case im not sure that users in fstab will be enough |
| 02:10.25 | seth1248 | NAbyss: user in fstab options made no difference. |
| 02:10.55 | NAbyss | seth1248: You might have to setup a shellscript and allow users to sudo it |
| 02:12.26 | AzzIzzA | seth1248: im sure its possible but i dont know how off the top of my head, if the zaurus is the client and its unlikely you will get evil hackers on it, i would be tempted to make mount suid |
| 02:19.39 | summatusmentis | I had X forwarding working like, a week ago, and then last night it would tell me that it couldn't find the display |
| 02:19.52 | summatusmentis | I'm trying to forward apps from the Z to my laptop |
| 02:20.03 | summatusmentis | and I've got openssh on the Z |
| 02:20.46 | summatusmentis | any suggestions? the X11DisplayOffset is set to 10, and uncommented in sshd_config |
| 02:24.10 | seth1248 | How do I make mount suid? |
| 02:25.07 | summatusmentis | isnt' it just an option in fstab? |
| 02:25.11 | NAbyss | chmod u+s `which mount` |
| 02:27.27 | AzzIzzA | seth1248: just make sure you understand the security issues with using suid |
| 02:28.04 | AzzIzzA | imho its an ok solution but you might not consider it suitable |
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| 03:04.48 | seth1248 | AzzIzzA: chmod u+s Is ok with me, in fact after trying everything else it seems the only way. |
| 03:05.32 | NAbyss | seth1248: The only other way would be to make a shellscript and allow people to run 'sudo script' to mound it. |
| 03:05.38 | NAbyss | mount even |
| 03:05.49 | seth1248 | btw the which command is not available on the zaurus. I did chmod u+s /bin/mount . |
| 03:05.49 | NAbyss | Gah, my brain's phonetically inaccurate today. |
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| 03:07.58 | seth1248 | Is it possible to run an nfs server on the zaurus ? |
| 03:08.06 | siriusnova | hmm should be |
| 03:08.37 | NAbyss | IIRC, you can either install a userspace nfs daemon, or a slim userspace tool to control the kernel nfs daemon |
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| 03:16.18 | seth1248 | There are 2 nfs packages in the openzaurus feed kernel-module-nfs-2.6 and nfs-utils. kernel-module-nfs-2.6 seems to install fine, but installing nfs-utils returns: cannot satify the following dependencies for nfs-utils: kernel-module-nfsd |
| 03:29.34 | siriusnova | hmm glib-config isn't in libglib-2.0 |
| 03:29.37 | siriusnova | any ideas? |
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| 03:29.48 | kantlivelong | lo all |
| 03:30.06 | siriusnova | hi |
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| 04:22.08 | TheFool | anyone around with experince using cardfs? |
| 04:24.08 | TheFool | I just flashed my collie with OZ and had cardfs siting on an SD card, not quite sure what to do as far as installing it. It seems according to the instructions that it was supposed to prompt me to install cardfs on first boot, it didn't.... I am not quite sure what to do... |
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| 05:26.22 | AzzIzzA | TheFool: what does cardfs do? |
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| 15:16.55 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://www.openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | Current release: 3.5.4/3.5.4.1 | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ | Feed browser: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/fb/ | feeds.openzaurus.org rotates through all available mirrors |
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| 16:40.14 | TheFool | ack TheFool needs help... |
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| 16:47.27 | tobb | why is ipkg so darn slow on my c860, is there any way to speed it up? |
| 16:47.51 | TheFool | not that I know of |
| 16:48.39 | TheFool | it shouldn't be particularly slow though, the only reasons I could see for slowness is a slow connection to whatever media you are installing the ipk off of. |
| 16:48.46 | tobb | takes like two minutes two even begin installing something |
| 16:50.29 | tobb | no it's not the media, because it takes a long time to decide that there is no package available if I do ipkg install foo |
| 16:51.48 | tobb | no it didn't, my bad |
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| 18:25.52 | TheFool | anyone know when CoreDump is usually active? |
| 18:27.16 | hrw | misc times |
| 18:27.25 | TheFool | ah |
| 18:27.51 | TheFool | I am having a problem getting CardFS to work and I think it's because I misread the instructions. |
| 18:28.28 | TheFool | I was originally under the impression that I could install CardFS by having it on an SD card while I flashed with my CF card. |
| 18:29.08 | TheFool | It seems I was mistaken and I need both on the same card. My card is only 16MB so that is not possible. So I am looking for another way to get CardFS working. |
| 18:30.00 | TheFool | Unless there is a better way to stick everything on my SD card and leave the system mem for RAM |
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| 19:12.08 | thefool | is it possible/reasonable to install a bootstrap image on my collie and use altboot from the bootstrap to boot off of a loop image on my SD card? |
| 19:13.06 | hvontres|poodle | thefool: I believe that should work fine. |
| 19:13.31 | thefool | sweet that seems to be the way to go for me then |
| 19:19.37 | thefool | so exactly how do I install a bootstrap image lol |
| 19:23.27 | thefool | nevermind it seems the process is the same as flashing a full OZ |
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| 19:26.19 | kantlivelong | hey all |
| 19:26.32 | kantlivelong | whats all this ramfs stuff? |
| 19:28.39 | thefool | its basically a ramdisk |
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| 19:31.27 | kantlivelong | thefool: but for what.. theres like 4.. it doesnt specify ne mount point |
| 19:32.59 | kantlivelong | i dont get it |
| 19:33.31 | kantlivelong | ramfs on /dev |
| 19:33.34 | kantlivelong | whats that about |
| 19:33.54 | thefool | not quite sure what you mean, ramfs is basically a way to use ram like a hard disk, I can't see why that would be used on a zaurus |
| 19:34.11 | thefool | kantlivelong: lol, thats just there in case you ever wanted to mount one |
| 19:34.32 | kantlivelong | thefool: i type `mount` and it says ramfs /dev |
| 19:34.49 | thefool | like there are hda, hdb...hdn and sda sdb etc |
| 19:35.54 | kantlivelong | thefool: your not getting it... /dev is mounted on a ramdisk |
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| 19:36.31 | thefool | ah, thats a little odd (I think) but not quite sure why it matters |
| 19:36.59 | thefool | I mean /dev doesn't really contain any real data so... |
| 19:37.23 | kantlivelong | exactly.. |
| 19:37.35 | kantlivelong | this is a stock install |
| 19:38.40 | kantlivelong | gah |
| 19:38.44 | kantlivelong | it keeps turning itself off |
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| 19:39.26 | kantlivelong | my batt cant be dead can it? |
| 19:39.58 | kantlivelong | and whats up w/ updater.sh why isnt it shell code? |
| 19:40.07 | thefool | easiest way to double check that is run it with your charger plugged in and see if it shuts off |
| 19:40.18 | thefool | no clue haven't looked at it |
| 19:40.24 | kantlivelong | it dun shut off when AC on |
| 19:45.47 | camousse | hello |
| 19:46.03 | kantlivelong | heya |
| 19:46.25 | kantlivelong | is there like a svn for 2.6 or anything |
| 19:47.34 | camousse | sorry, i'm a newbie :-( |
| 19:47.48 | camousse | bought my zaurus 3 week ago |
| 19:48.21 | kantlivelong | same |
| 19:48.37 | kantlivelong | i want latest apm like now |
| 19:48.50 | camousse | why do you want it ? |
| 19:49.19 | camousse | i have a pdaxrom, but i will install the openzaurus 3.5.4.2 rc2 i compiled few days ago |
| 19:51.49 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong: I think the reason /dev is on ramdisk is that udev changes it a lot and you don't want to wear out the flash |
| 19:52.18 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: ah ok thats fine then... |
| 19:52.45 | kantlivelong | im fearing that 2.6 apm/battery is gonna kill my batt |
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| 19:53.22 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong: how so? |
| 19:53.38 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: overcharging |
| 19:54.22 | hvontres|poodle | I've been using it for ~3 months now without any issues |
| 19:55.02 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: well idk whats wrong but it drops from 100% to 75% instantly |
| 19:55.22 | kantlivelong | and the charge light never goes away |
| 19:56.00 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : hmm, well mine will charge up and then the light does go out. |
| 19:56.11 | kantlivelong | mine stays on |
| 19:56.18 | kantlivelong | is it apm controlled? |
| 19:56.32 | kantlivelong | how can i check my versions |
| 19:56.58 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong: I think the charging is controlled in HW. |
| 19:57.13 | kantlivelong | so wat could be my problem? |
| 19:57.33 | hvontres|poodle | just for sanity, you could go back to the sharp rom to make sure it bahaves the same way. |
| 19:57.34 | kantlivelong | im using direct AC |
| 19:57.53 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: i tried the sharp rom... it refused to boot |
| 19:58.20 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: would u happen 2 have it handy? |
| 19:58.37 | hvontres|poodle | as far as the charge dropping in 25% incs, I think the 2.6 apm code still needed some work...but its a low priority |
| 19:59.07 | kantlivelong | im surprised something as critical as battery is low pri |
| 19:59.26 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong: you have a poodle, right? |
| 19:59.29 | kantlivelong | but do u happen 2 have the sharp roms handy? |
| 19:59.30 | kantlivelong | yes |
| 20:00.44 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : pm me your e-mail, I have the zip file handy (only 30mb) :) |
| 20:01.49 | kantlivelong | get it |
| 20:01.52 | kantlivelong | ? |
| 20:02.11 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong: or just get it from here : http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate6.asp |
| 20:02.22 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: yeah i went there |
| 20:02.23 | kantlivelong | it didnt work |
| 20:02.40 | kantlivelong | should i do it from CF? |
| 20:02.42 | kantlivelong | or SD? |
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| 20:05.28 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : I've never tried SD. Just make sure your card is formatted FAT16 |
| 20:06.18 | kantlivelong | ill try both |
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| 20:06.59 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : actually, I don't have the Rom files here...just the windows crap...I think I used it to get the old 2.4 usb driver here at work :) |
| 20:07.25 | kantlivelong | ah |
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| 20:10.07 | kantlivelong | sharp bl says cant locate devinfo module |
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| 20:12.12 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: hmm? |
| 20:14.26 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : never seen that one... |
| 20:15.00 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: yeah after it does the SHARP logo it goes to init and says module devinfo not found |
| 20:15.06 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : BTW: the 25% jumps are hardcoded. I just looked at the patch for the 2.6 kernels: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/patches/poodle_pm-r3.patch |
| 20:15.21 | kantlivelong | ah ok |
| 20:15.25 | kantlivelong | so thats ok? |
| 20:15.51 | hvontres|poodle | I think somebody needs to sit down and figure out the correct numbers |
| 20:16.05 | kantlivelong | im willin to do it |
| 20:16.10 | hvontres|poodle | I think the old sharp rom only had high,medium and low. |
| 20:16.12 | kantlivelong | what does it require |
| 20:16.46 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : you might want to contact RP over on #oe. He is the zaurus kernel god and should have an Idea whats needed. |
| 20:17.02 | kantlivelong | ok |
| 20:18.00 | RP | kantlivelong: This is probably more appropriate here |
| 20:18.14 | RP | kantlivelong: What do you think it wrong with apm? |
| 20:18.19 | kantlivelong | RP: ah didnt notice u were here |
| 20:18.21 | hvontres|poodle | RP: hey...:) |
| 20:18.29 | kantlivelong | RP: nothing i just wanna improve the battery levels |
| 20:18.41 | kantlivelong | also RP im having issues w/ sharprom |
| 20:18.45 | RP | Basically someone needs to measure the battery dischange over time and improve that table |
| 20:18.56 | RP | kantlivelong: With the 2.4 kernel? |
| 20:18.59 | kantlivelong | 2.6 |
| 20:19.09 | kantlivelong | erm sharprom is 2.4 but yeah |
| 20:19.13 | kantlivelong | 2.6 for apm fixing |
| 20:19.15 | RP | sharprom with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 20:19.25 | kantlivelong | the sharprom is freaking out |
| 20:19.34 | RP | freaking out about what? |
| 20:19.39 | kantlivelong | file not found |
| 20:19.48 | kantlivelong | it wont boot |
| 20:19.51 | kantlivelong | and |
| 20:20.06 | kantlivelong | after the Bootloader for the updater it says module devinfo not found |
| 20:20.20 | RP | I think that message is normal |
| 20:20.30 | kantlivelong | ok |
| 20:20.34 | RP | but I really don't care about sharprom |
| 20:20.40 | kantlivelong | yeah i figured.. |
| 20:20.47 | kantlivelong | but im curious on why it wont boot |
| 20:20.54 | kantlivelong | does oz change the part table? |
| 20:21.04 | RP | nope |
| 20:21.07 | kantlivelong | hmm |
| 20:21.08 | kantlivelong | odd |
| 20:21.11 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong: Did you replace the updater.sh on your cf card with the one from the Sharp .zip file? |
| 20:21.17 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: yep |
| 20:21.47 | kantlivelong | im gettng "INIT: ld "ln" respawning too fast" |
| 20:22.01 | kantlivelong | and "ERROR: /usr/sharp/******* ---- cannot open file" |
| 20:22.46 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong: do you have anyting in /home you want to keep? |
| 20:22.48 | kantlivelong | RP: also is the charging hw controlled or sw? my charge light never turns off.... |
| 20:22.52 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: no.... |
| 20:23.00 | RP | kantlivelong: software |
| 20:23.13 | kantlivelong | RP: so could it potentially kill my battery? |
| 20:23.18 | RP | kantlivelong: poodle_pm could use some refinement - patches are welcome |
| 20:23.23 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong: try the format option form the update menu |
| 20:23.29 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: ok |
| 20:23.42 | RP | kantlivelong: The charging code shouldn't be that wrong |
| 20:24.14 | kantlivelong | RP: yeah i trust everyones coding.. i just worry that the batt will overcharge because this light never turns off |
| 20:24.37 | RP | kantlivelong: It should be checking the temperature... |
| 20:25.07 | kantlivelong | RP: are the temp/batt levels in /proc? |
| 20:25.16 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: the format did it ;) |
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| 20:25.52 | kantlivelong | i hope im not comming off as a whiney guy to you all.. im just very curious and egar to help out |
| 20:26.00 | RP | kantlivelong: /proc/apm is as good as it gets |
| 20:26.10 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : hey, we all started off as newbs...:) |
| 20:26.12 | RP | kantlivelong: there is debug in the kernel you can turn on |
| 20:26.29 | kantlivelong | im dev a newb w/ OE related things... thats for sure |
| 20:26.43 | kantlivelong | RP: any docs explaining how? |
| 20:27.08 | RP | kantlivelong: Other than reading the source, no |
| 20:27.35 | kantlivelong | RP: ok.. well may i ask what i should to to monitor these values? |
| 20:28.12 | RP | kantlivelong: We have one active poodle kernel dev (me) and I'm a "bit" stretched :-( |
| 20:28.32 | RP | kantlivelong: I'd enable the debug in the kernel. This presumes you can recompile a kernel? |
| 20:28.49 | kantlivelong | RP: im not sure how to cross compile on gentoo |
| 20:29.21 | RP | kantlivelong: Use OE to build kernels |
| 20:29.27 | kantlivelong | oh? |
| 20:29.38 | kantlivelong | like i said OE newb here lol |
| 20:29.38 | RP | kantlivelong: You need to learn about that before trying to do any kernel dev work :-( |
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| 20:31.03 | kantlivelong | ok |
| 20:31.40 | kantlivelong | so i need a devkit |
| 20:32.40 | hvontres|poodle | RP: do you nedd a serial console for the debug messages? |
| 20:33.23 | kantlivelong | thats what i was wondering |
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| 20:34.52 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: is it possible to have java on oZ? i noticed there wasnt a feed for it |
| 20:40.33 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: where can i get the devkit? |
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| 20:43.23 | kantlivelong | bah got dc |
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| 20:56.40 | kantlivelong | wheres the OZ svn.. |
| 20:57.54 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong: start here: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted |
| 20:58.16 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: ah i completely overlooked that |
| 20:58.17 | kantlivelong | th |
| 20:58.18 | kantlivelong | x |
| 20:59.39 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : you might want to start in the .oz354 branch for now...It's pretty stable and that is what the current releases are based on. |
| 21:00.01 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: would that be 2.6? |
| 21:00.05 | hvontres|poodle | the .dev branch can be pretty bleeding edge... havn't tried it myself in a while. |
| 21:00.23 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : yes. for everything but collie (5500)... |
| 21:00.30 | kantlivelong | ight |
| 21:01.17 | kantlivelong | bitbake a compiler? |
| 21:02.18 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : sort of... it's a bunch of python scripts that take the recipies (.bb files) and configure the env for propper compiling and packaging... |
| 21:03.08 | hvontres|poodle | when you have it set up right you can just bitbake <distro-image> and walk away...depending on your hardware for a long while :) |
| 21:03.32 | kantlivelong | ah |
| 21:03.34 | kantlivelong | cool |
| 21:03.46 | kantlivelong | i doubt it will take too long |
| 21:04.27 | hvontres|poodle | the kernel, no..a whole opie-image took me 3 days... on a dual P-II 333. :) so if you have modern hw, it shouldn't be too bad. |
| 21:05.16 | kantlivelong | i dont plan on building opie/gpe |
| 21:05.48 | kantlivelong | can i use solaris to compile this? |
| 21:05.57 | kantlivelong | ive got a sun box i could do it w/ |
| 21:06.07 | kantlivelong | if SMP is supported |
| 21:07.23 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : not sure.. just kernel only takes me ~1 hr now. The first time through will be a bear tho...glibc takes forever.. |
| 21:07.47 | kantlivelong | ah |
| 21:07.48 | kantlivelong | ok |
| 21:07.59 | kantlivelong | can i compile the gpe package and not opie? |
| 21:09.26 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : sure...so far GPE on poodle hasn't been all theat great tho..It really needs more than 32MB of ram. |
| 21:09.50 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: i use a swapfile :) |
| 21:09.53 | hvontres|poodle | But with a 32-64 MB swapfile on SD, it at least runs, but kinda slow |
| 21:10.45 | kantlivelong | i just use fluxbox |
| 21:10.51 | kantlivelong | thats all i use GPE for |
| 21:11.17 | kantlivelong | dont need all the fancy GPEness |
| 21:13.32 | hvontres|poodle | plus, most of the stuff I use dosn't have a good GPE replacement.. |
| 21:13.51 | kantlivelong | wa u use |
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| 21:15.08 | TheFool | grr my Z hates me |
| 21:15.54 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : mostly xmms-embedded, kopi and timesleuth and BitchX..but that is console..:) |
| 21:16.16 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: ah :) im havin probs w/ OE.. i dun have `mtn` what is it |
| 21:18.26 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : that would be monotone. that is the SCM oe uses :) |
| 21:18.43 | kantlivelong | ah i see it |
| 21:18.47 | kantlivelong | <3 portage |
| 21:19.22 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: so u use opie or x on ur z? |
| 21:19.34 | kantlivelong | ewww i need boost |
| 21:19.35 | kantlivelong | lame |
| 21:20.00 | TheFool | I flashed my collie with a bootstrap image and I stuck a loopback image on my SD card, I choose option 8 to install rootfs |
| 21:20.00 | kantlivelong | fun fun time |
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| 21:20.40 | TheFool | after filling in the info and waiting for forever and a day I tried to boot off of the SD card and got a sleu of error messages that is simply can't find anything in the image |
| 21:20.56 | kantlivelong | TheFool: ouch.. |
| 21:21.09 | kantlivelong | im debating using fat on my sd and making images now... |
| 21:21.14 | TheFool | I've done this twice now, not sure what I am doing wrong |
| 21:21.30 | kantlivelong | right now i use ext2 |
| 21:21.40 | TheFool | ? should I be using fat on my SD? I amusing ext2 |
| 21:21.50 | kantlivelong | fat is normal yeah |
| 21:22.00 | kantlivelong | i use ext2 tho |
| 21:22.00 | TheFool | didn't see a reason to use fat |
| 21:22.09 | kantlivelong | same |
| 21:24.40 | TheFool | so is there anything I am doing that is obviously stupid? |
| 21:25.19 | kantlivelong | what version u puttin on ur collie? |
| 21:25.36 | TheFool | 3.5.4 |
| 21:25.46 | kantlivelong | kernel? |
| 21:25.55 | TheFool | 2.4 |
| 21:26.02 | kantlivelong | hmmm |
| 21:26.08 | TheFool | 2.6 doesn't have SD support yet on collie so... |
| 21:26.12 | kantlivelong | i no |
| 21:29.30 | kolla | I'd say 2.6 doesnt support much at all on the collie :) |
| 21:30.32 | TheFool | ah ok I do get an error when trying to install the rootfs "iosetup: ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: No such device or address" |
| 21:31.25 | kantlivelong | im determined to get the battery levels set in 2.6 |
| 21:33.27 | TheFool | So if anyone has any clue what that error means or how to resolve it I would greatly appreciate it. |
| 21:34.33 | kantlivelong | srry but im lost |
| 21:34.57 | kantlivelong | i hope i can compile boost on my ram |
| 21:34.57 | kantlivelong | lol |
| 21:37.24 | kantlivelong | mmm yay |
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| 21:41.31 | kantlivelong | hmm mtn not workin |
| 21:42.07 | kantlivelong | schemas dun match |
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| 21:46.47 | mimecar | hi |
| 21:47.05 | kantlivelong | lo |
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| 21:58.13 | tobb | is there any way to set the resolution to 320x240 with xrandr? |
| 21:58.25 | summatusmentis | anyone have any experience purchasing a used Z through conics.net? |
| 21:58.45 | tobb | summatusmentis: I bought mine from conics |
| 21:58.52 | summatusmentis | used? |
| 21:59.02 | tobb | no a new one |
| 21:59.12 | tobb | couple of years ago though, when the 860 was new |
| 21:59.22 | summatusmentis | ah |
| 21:59.35 | kantlivelong | lala |
| 21:59.52 | summatusmentis | I'm still trying to decide between the 1000 and 3200 |
| 22:01.03 | summatusmentis | tobb, I've never heard of people resizing the resolution... is there anything like an xorg.conf or something? |
| 22:02.22 | tobb | I used to do it in pdaxrom, seems like 320x240 mode isn't available in oz |
| 22:02.51 | kantlivelong | gah mtn refuses to work |
| 22:03.07 | summatusmentis | tobb, it's obviously possible as the 5500 works... |
| 22:03.23 | summatusmentis | now whether or not it cn be change is different |
| 22:03.26 | summatusmentis | kantlivelong, mtn? |
| 22:04.14 | kantlivelong | summatusmentis: monotone |
| 22:04.21 | summatusmentis | oh |
| 22:04.57 | kantlivelong | gah |
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| 22:16.25 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: mtn isnt working |
| 22:16.46 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : how so? |
| 22:16.53 | kantlivelong | sec |
| 22:17.18 | kantlivelong | "doesnt match this version of monotone" |
| 22:17.30 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : are you using 0.30? |
| 22:17.37 | kantlivelong | .28 |
| 22:17.43 | kantlivelong | emr .29 |
| 22:18.22 | hvontres|poodle | can you get 0.30? |
| 22:18.32 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: if gentoo has it |
| 22:19.08 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: yeh i found a build brb |
| 22:19.40 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : good...its faster than 0.28 too :) |
| 22:21.04 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: mmm :) yeh i found an ebuild i can use |
| 22:21.25 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: how long it take for poodle to charge neways.. its been charging since i put sharprom on it |
| 22:22.28 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : not sure.. how far down was the battery? |
| 22:23.07 | kantlivelong | 50% accordng to sharp |
| 22:23.22 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : are you using the 2A sharp charger? |
| 22:24.20 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: im using the stock one |
| 22:24.41 | kantlivelong | EA-70 |
| 22:24.57 | kantlivelong | y |
| 22:25.33 | hvontres|poodle | hmm, probably should finish in ~2-3 hrs max... |
| 22:25.54 | kantlivelong | its been |
| 22:25.55 | hvontres|poodle | mine ususally charges from 75% in < 1hr at home |
| 22:26.02 | kantlivelong | :| |
| 22:26.29 | hvontres|poodle | you bought yours used right? |
| 22:26.34 | kantlivelong | yeh |
| 22:27.12 | hvontres|poodle | hmm, maybe your battery is going. Did the previous owner have WiFi? |
| 22:28.13 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: no.. the prev owner worked @ IBM and used it for a week |
| 22:28.41 | kantlivelong | and it charged fine b4 i put 2.6 on it |
| 22:28.48 | kantlivelong | or oZ for that matter |
| 22:30.11 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : is it on right now? |
| 22:30.21 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: yes its on |
| 22:30.31 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: the light and sharp is booted |
| 22:30.41 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: no oZ on it right now |
| 22:31.09 | hvontres|poodle | I ussually put mine in the cradel while suspended .... maybe it'll charge faster that way :) |
| 22:31.44 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: w/ USB plugged in? |
| 22:31.55 | kantlivelong | hmm i have a feeling thats it.. |
| 22:32.30 | hvontres|poodle | yeah, or you can just plug the adapter straight into the 5V jack on the bottom :) |
| 22:32.52 | kantlivelong | thats what i did :P |
| 22:33.16 | kantlivelong | when i unplug it the pic of the battery is all blue cept the tip.. |
| 22:33.42 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : well, your almost there then :) |
| 22:33.57 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: the cap needs to be blue too? |
| 22:34.20 | hvontres|poodle | not sure..I haven't used sharp in a long time :) |
| 22:34.55 | hvontres|poodle | but I think the tip stays grey :) |
| 22:35.08 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: it should say charged to right? |
| 22:35.50 | hvontres|poodle | I think so... mine is in my usb powered cradle right now and if I unplug it, I'l go away :) |
| 22:36.35 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: does it say charged or charging when its done tho |
| 22:37.04 | kantlivelong | yay mtn works |
| 22:37.53 | hvontres|poodle | not sure, mine is still charging right now... Forot to charge it at home last night and USB takes forever @ .5A, especially when alsp running ssh and playing mp3's :) |
| 22:38.14 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: haha |
| 22:38.24 | kantlivelong | i wish mine charged USB |
| 22:39.41 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : I have a modded cradle here at work...but you can pick up a USB/Charging cable for ~$8 on ebay |
| 22:39.44 | kantlivelong | (*&#(a79 my cat just got a claw in my nose |
| 22:40.47 | kantlivelong | ah well my white cat just got red |
| 23:00.39 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: yay got all thru mtn |
| 23:00.40 | kantlivelong | now wat |
| 23:01.44 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 23:01.49 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : keep following the Getting started page..:) |
| 23:01.57 | hvontres|poodle | hey CoreDump|home |
| 23:02.17 | kantlivelong | sup CoreDump|home |
| 23:14.50 | CoreDump|home | ~lart Collie & Poodle |
| 23:15.46 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: im gettin an error when trying bb |
| 23:16.08 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home : what's wrong now? |
| 23:16.21 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : did you set up your local.conf? |
| 23:16.23 | kantlivelong | unabled to open bitbake.conf.... but idk y |
| 23:16.31 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: yep |
| 23:16.48 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : hmm, not sure. how late will you be here? |
| 23:16.48 | CoreDump|home | hvontres|poodle: their small rootfs is a PITA to work with |
| 23:16.56 | kantlivelong | awhile |
| 23:17.33 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : I'm at work right now. I'll be able to help you better once I get home to my build machine |
| 23:17.58 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: ok cool |
| 23:18.06 | kantlivelong | CoreDump|home: why so? |
| 23:18.18 | CoreDump|home | <CoreDump|home> hvontres|poodle: their small rootfs is a PITA to work with |
| 23:18.26 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home: hmmm. |
| 23:18.38 | kantlivelong | ah |
| 23:19.28 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home : The last rc worked ok on poodle at least |
| 23:21.03 | CoreDump|home | well, recent images "work" as well, sort of. Moving the rootfs to SD permanently would make working with them / for them a lot easier |
| 23:21.03 | kantlivelong | :) |
| 23:21.03 | kantlivelong | CoreDump|home: how u plan on doin that |
| 23:21.40 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home : have you tried loopback images under 2.6 on poodle lately? |
| 23:21.59 | CoreDump|home | barebone jffs2 image to kickstart altboot, probably no option to boot into the flash image at all. Then the normal root-on-sd stuff |
| 23:22.10 | CoreDump|home | hvontres|poodle: nope |
| 23:22.15 | kantlivelong | i was debating ext2 loopbacks but i couldnt decide on them |
| 23:22.32 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home : I was having problems a couple of months ago but haven't had a chance to dig deeper. |
| 23:22.34 | kantlivelong | CoreDump|home: hey im willing to help u test it |
| 23:22.52 | kantlivelong | CoreDump|home: i use the bootstrap just to boot sd.. so im willing to do it |
| 23:23.03 | CoreDump|home | kantlivelong: great =) I'll let you know when I get something up and running |
| 23:23.12 | kantlivelong | CoreDump|home: no prob.. |
| 23:23.46 | CoreDump|home | hvontres|poodle: I very rarely boot off SD or CF. I mostly boot off an NFS drive (which is almost the same) |
| 23:24.32 | kantlivelong | CoreDump|home: how fast is NFS boot? |
| 23:25.24 | CoreDump|home | well, not terribly fast =) But once the beast is booted, it is useable |
| 23:25.29 | kantlivelong | CoreDump|home: also may i ask.. im no sure on it... which kernel modules get loaded into mem.. the Int or the SD/CF |
| 23:26.21 | CoreDump|home | kantlivelong: I don't understand the question |
| 23:29.03 | kantlivelong | CoreDump|home: ok when booting... what path are the modules loaded from.. the internal memory or the rootfs? |
| 23:29.51 | kantlivelong | like if i were booting up altboot to use my SD.. would hostap be loaded from int or sd |
| 23:32.15 | seth1244 | Does anyone know if there are any plans of having nfs-server for openzaurus? |
| 23:34.01 | CoreDump|home | kantlivelong: ahh, the first few modules (like sound, or if req'ed network / IDE) are loaded from flash |
| 23:34.31 | CoreDump|home | seth1244: there should be a samba package available |
| 23:34.57 | CoreDump|home | kantlivelong: in your example hostap would be loaded from SD |
| 23:35.46 | kantlivelong | CoreDump|home: ok wat about alsa? |
| 23:36.21 | CoreDump|home | kantlivelong: ALSA is loaded from flash for the inital "beep" of altboot. |
| 23:36.28 | kantlivelong | CoreDump|home: would there be a way to skip the bootstrap and just go directly to a SD kernel? |
| 23:36.42 | CoreDump|home | kantlivelong: hmmmm |
| 23:36.58 | CoreDump|home | kantlivelong: with kernel 2.6 that *should* be possible, yes |
| 23:37.07 | CoreDump|home | so poodle: yeah, collie: nope |
| 23:37.10 | kantlivelong | CoreDump|home: should attempt it... |
| 23:37.30 | CoreDump|home | kantlivelong: you'd have to recompile the kernel for that |
| 23:37.47 | kantlivelong | CoreDump|home: yeah i figured.. im still trying to get bb to work... |
| 23:38.21 | CoreDump|home | kantlivelong: I made the experience that if one follows GettingStarted to the letter, the setup usually works fine |
| 23:38.24 | kantlivelong | im surprised its not possible to get lilo/grub to work |
| 23:38.29 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home : So you think a minmal kernel+sd modules +kexec in flash |
| 23:38.45 | kantlivelong | CoreDump|home: i followed it completely.. its just an odd error |
| 23:38.49 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : you can thank the kind folks at sharp for that |
| 23:38.51 | CoreDump|home | kantlivelong: not possible :\ |
| 23:38.55 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: yeah |
| 23:39.20 | CoreDump|home | hvontres|poodle: kantlivelong made the suggestion to rig the kernel to boot the SD card directly |
| 23:39.25 | kantlivelong | youd imagine someone installing a linux os on anything would have the brains for changing the BL or even the BL config |
| 23:40.29 | kantlivelong | very odd.. |
| 23:40.31 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home : yeah, but how do you get the sharp bootloader to see the SD card? |
| 23:41.00 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: you dont.. a kernel from the nand would still boot.. but very minimal just to detect SD |
| 23:41.32 | kantlivelong | then if possible kexec and boot a kernel image from the SD |
| 23:41.43 | hvontres|poodle | like I said: kernel+sd+kexec ...:) |
| 23:41.50 | kantlivelong | yeah :) |
| 23:41.54 | CoreDump|home | the bootloader would boot the kernel, kernel uses SD for root |
| 23:42.06 | kantlivelong | yep |
| 23:42.07 | CoreDump|home | hvontres|poodle: there would be no kexec involved at all |
| 23:42.22 | kantlivelong | no need for even installing a FS on the nand then rite? |
| 23:42.29 | kantlivelong | as long as u build SD/CF directly |
| 23:42.30 | CoreDump|home | leaves the not-so-small problem of installing the OS |
| 23:42.41 | CoreDump|home | kantlivelong: correct |
| 23:43.28 | kantlivelong | CoreDump|home: but would it use the kernel on the nand? or would it then use a new one on the sd? |
| 23:43.28 | CoreDump|home | one could probably use / hack the spitz updater.sh along w/ gnutar |
| 23:43.48 | CoreDump|home | kantlivelong: there can only be one kernel, the one flashed into the NAND |
| 23:43.52 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home : Otoh, 16MB leaves room for one hell of a Bootloader :) |
| 23:44.09 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 23:44.19 | kantlivelong | CoreDump|home: thats the only thing i dun like.. id prefer being able to update the kernel often but not constantly flashing |
| 23:44.43 | CoreDump|home | kantlivelong: that is not possible w/ a Z |
| 23:44.59 | hvontres|poodle | not even with kexec? |
| 23:45.31 | kantlivelong | well i wasnt saying dont have a kernel on nand.. i was suggesting having one just for the sake of booting.. then using an updated on on sd via kexec as hvontres|poodle has said |
| 23:46.18 | kantlivelong | especially for devs it would be useful to do this.. as they must constantly write to nand... |
| 23:46.49 | kantlivelong | the kernel on nand would prolly never need an update... if so rarel |
| 23:46.50 | kantlivelong | y |
| 23:47.46 | CoreDump|home | that would be possible yes. Altboot can be hacking to do this kind of thing |
| 23:48.11 | kantlivelong | CoreDump|home: the prob w/ altboot is that you still need a filesystem to run altboot |
| 23:48.35 | kantlivelong | know what i mean? |
| 23:48.44 | CoreDump|home | yeah |
| 23:48.52 | CoreDump|home | well, can't kexec w/o FS :\ |
| 23:48.56 | kantlivelong | id rather use nearly 5% of the nand |
| 23:49.06 | kantlivelong | CoreDump|home: thats true.. |
| 23:49.32 | kantlivelong | CoreDump|home: well even the bootstrap install is large.. it has packages... rather bloated.. im sure it can be cut massively correct? |
| 23:50.17 | CoreDump|home | http://hentges.net/tmp/screenshots/Zaurus/Akita/Misc/essential-to-boot+wifi.jpg correct |
| 23:50.55 | kantlivelong | hmmm 404 |
| 23:51.55 | kantlivelong | still no go |
| 23:52.25 | kantlivelong | needed the www for some reason |
| 23:52.32 | kantlivelong | ippool must be outdated |
| 23:53.04 | kantlivelong | hmmm /home isnt needed.. /media/ram isnt needed |
| 23:53.11 | kantlivelong | whats /dev/.static/dev? |
| 23:53.18 | CoreDump|home | kantlivelong: udev |
| 23:53.31 | kantlivelong | 2udevs? |
| 23:53.42 | CoreDump|home | 4.5M rootfs w/ _full_ WIFI support |
| 23:53.43 | kantlivelong | or is this a 2.4 kernel running udev? |
| 23:53.59 | CoreDump|home | one udev on 2.6 |
| 23:54.04 | kantlivelong | ah |
| 23:54.09 | kantlivelong | shouldnt it just be /dev then? |
| 23:54.27 | CoreDump|home | uhh, dunno |
| 23:54.44 | kantlivelong | ive never heard of /dev/.static/dev... unless its something extra |
| 23:54.56 | CoreDump|home | anyway, you get the point. bootstrap *could* be shrunk a lot |
| 23:55.00 | kantlivelong | yeah |
| 23:55.02 | kantlivelong | i do |
| 23:55.13 | kantlivelong | i knew it could be |
| 23:55.21 | kantlivelong | hmm |
| 23:55.24 | kantlivelong | well |
| 23:55.29 | kantlivelong | we dont need ipkg |
| 23:55.37 | kantlivelong | wifi is debatable |
| 23:55.44 | *** join/#openzaurus hrw|gone (n=hrw@intranet.conecto.pl) |
| 23:55.45 | kantlivelong | only if u plan on doing NFS |
| 23:56.06 | CoreDump|home | w/o wifi you could get it down to *maybe* 3M |
| 23:56.17 | kantlivelong | smaller the better.. |
| 23:56.27 | kantlivelong | is the /dev here mounted on a ramfs? |
| 23:56.49 | CoreDump|home | tmpfs yes |
| 23:57.04 | kantlivelong | 10M is rather large... |
| 23:57.16 | kantlivelong | should be dropped to like 1M |
| 23:57.28 | kantlivelong | also may i ask what the /media/ram was ever for? |
| 23:57.42 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: btw my charge light went off :) |
| 23:57.50 | CoreDump|home | kantlivelong: actually that doesn't matter since only the "used" space inside the tmpfs is actually taken |
| 23:58.21 | CoreDump|home | kantlivelong: left-over from collie *cough*, also some GPE stuff needs it |
| 23:58.24 | kantlivelong | ah yes thats right.. i keep thinking windows where it takes it completely.... (havent used windows in 3 years) |
| 23:59.07 | kantlivelong | im a very minimal person.. i hate seeing unused things... i acctually wish there was more of a plain X11 image.. |
| 23:59.32 | kantlivelong | know what i mean? |
| 23:59.50 | kantlivelong | im seeing bootstrap,opie,gpe,X11 as images... |
| 23:59.52 | CoreDump|home | kantlivelong: GPE can be hacked to be pretty much plain X |
