00:00.13 | kantlivelong | CoreDump|home: yeah ive done it.. but like i mentioned... leaves unused items :) |
00:00.28 | kantlivelong | i acctually had fluxbox on my poodle |
00:00.35 | kantlivelong | i liked it |
00:00.41 | CoreDump|home | kantlivelong: heh how did that one go? |
00:00.48 | kantlivelong | great acctually |
00:00.54 | kantlivelong | it ran flawlessly |
00:01.42 | CoreDump|home | yeah, but was it useable / useful? |
00:01.42 | kantlivelong | i mean it uses barely anything |
00:01.49 | kantlivelong | yeah it was acctually |
00:02.15 | kantlivelong | i had a menu |
00:02.17 | kantlivelong | and apps |
00:02.22 | kantlivelong | works amazing tbh |
00:02.51 | kantlivelong | i used the HOME key to spawn a menu |
00:02.51 | kantlivelong | the fluxmenu |
00:02.51 | CoreDump|home | I'm using a GPE+fluxbox combo+ |
00:02.55 | kantlivelong | yeah i saw that |
00:03.11 | kantlivelong | idk i use fluxbox as my main WM on my comps |
00:03.29 | kantlivelong | grew old of KDE but i love KDE |
00:03.57 | kantlivelong | KDE is the future for linux.. its what will get it on main vendors |
00:04.25 | kantlivelong | gnome is great also but it doesnt have that feel that windows people are used to |
00:05.00 | CoreDump|home | screw the windows people |
00:05.16 | kantlivelong | CoreDump|home: well yeah but im just saying.. |
00:05.29 | kantlivelong | were u on windows b4? |
00:05.34 | kantlivelong | if u were im sure ur WM was KDE |
00:06.06 | kantlivelong | if it was fluxbox or IceWM im sure u would still be on windows |
00:06.06 | CoreDump|home | kantlivelong: "my" last windows was win98 |
00:06.12 | kantlivelong | my last was 2k |
00:06.15 | CoreDump|home | and I started on WindowMaker actually =) on slackware hehe |
00:06.23 | kantlivelong | but you get what im saying right? |
00:06.31 | CoreDump|home | 9-disk floppy install |
00:06.44 | kantlivelong | thats always fun :) |
00:07.13 | kantlivelong | yeah ive never used 2.4 kernel for a desktop.. ive only used it on servers |
00:08.36 | kantlivelong | neways... would ya like to get this new boot load idea a go? |
00:09.46 | CoreDump|home | kantlivelong: a go, yeah. Can't promise anything tho |
00:10.03 | kantlivelong | well no one can promise these kinds of things |
00:10.36 | seth1244 | What is the difference between samba and samba-essential? |
00:11.16 | kantlivelong | there needs to be a smaller dm then gpe something to simply go into the WM |
00:11.29 | kantlivelong | i no im suggestin alot of crap |
00:11.41 | CoreDump|home | seth1244: essential is a cut-down version of samba |
00:12.31 | kantlivelong | where the heck is the kernel source neways |
00:12.53 | seth1244 | So I can install samba-essential in stead of samba and save about 6mb? Would I be missing any major functions? |
00:13.26 | CoreDump|home | seth1244: I don't remember the details, sorry. I do however know that one can export smb shares w/ it just fine |
00:14.01 | kantlivelong | or sshfs |
00:16.55 | seth1244 | I guess samba-essential won't work when trying to install I get: /etc/init.d/samba does not exist . |
00:17.24 | kantlivelong | seth1244: what about smb* |
00:17.26 | kantlivelong | ? |
00:17.34 | CoreDump|home | you didn't install into / right? |
00:21.21 | seth1244 | I installed to home because / is getting almost full. I think the problem may be that I havn't yet done ipkg-link. |
00:22.10 | CoreDump|home | seth1244: indeed |
00:22.20 | CoreDump|home | kantlivelong: /dev/loop0 147.7M 104.8M 35.4M 75% / <- poodle ftw |
00:22.43 | kantlivelong | whats this for now? |
00:23.06 | CoreDump|home | a poodle ext2 image, fully populated w/ need for cardfs |
00:23.19 | kantlivelong | ah |
00:23.45 | kantlivelong | see i dont use loops.. i just have my sd formatted in ext2 |
00:24.20 | CoreDump|home | that's was the tarballs are for |
00:24.31 | kantlivelong | yep |
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00:27.17 | kantlivelong | CoreDump|home: how can i tell oZ what modules to load on boot? |
00:28.53 | CoreDump|home | /etc/modules or something in that corner |
00:29.28 | CoreDump|home | time for bed |
00:29.31 | CoreDump|home | n8 all |
00:30.06 | kantlivelong | l8r |
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02:02.03 | thefool | anyone around? |
02:02.49 | hvontres|poodle | thefool: yes? |
02:02.53 | summatusmentis | yes |
02:02.58 | siriusnova | im here |
02:02.59 | siriusnova | sorta |
02:03.21 | kantlivelong | lo |
02:03.31 | thefool | having an odd problem. I have a loop image on an SD card and I am trying to install via altboot |
02:03.50 | thefool | It seems to go through all the steps and then I get the error "losetup: ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: No such device or address" |
02:04.23 | hvontres|poodle | thefool: can you boot from flash? |
02:04.29 | thefool | when trying to boot from the SD card I get "not found" errors on literally everything |
02:05.00 | thefool | hvontres|poodle: I have a 1gb SD and a 16mb flash so SD is sorta needed |
02:05.23 | hvontres|poodle | thefool: no, I mean does your bootstrap image work? |
02:05.45 | thefool | oh yea |
02:05.57 | thefool | I even tried full install of opie and it worked |
02:06.10 | thefool | except I had no room to install anything ...lol |
02:06.15 | hvontres|poodle | can you ssh in ? |
02:06.44 | thefool | no, no way of networking with it until I have OZ on it. No USB cable etc. |
02:07.06 | thefool | do you have any clue what that error means? |
02:07.34 | hvontres|poodle | thefool: it sounds like your loopback file is not being created correctly. |
02:08.02 | hvontres|poodle | thefool: you might want to try to do it "by hand" instead of having altboot do it for you. |
02:08.11 | thefool | so...what would cause that? bad image? |
02:08.15 | hvontres|poodle | what version of altboot do you have |
02:08.29 | thefool | hvontres|poodle: how do I do that? Never done something like this before. |
02:08.34 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: my charge light went off:) |
02:08.42 | thefool | 1.0.5 |
02:08.55 | hvontres|poodle | thefool: no, I think it might be failing before it gets to the point of installing the files. |
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02:09.11 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : yay... |
02:09.15 | siriusnova | thefool - yeah thats a normal error |
02:09.20 | siriusnova | that happens to me too |
02:09.23 | siriusnova | i just shutdown at that point |
02:09.25 | siriusnova | and restart |
02:09.28 | siriusnova | and it works fine |
02:09.37 | thefool | hm,m I've done that half a dozen times |
02:09.50 | kantlivelong | im so excited that my wifi comes tommarow.. how well does roaming work? |
02:10.01 | siriusnova | lol |
02:10.18 | thefool | removed the boot-image folder and try reinstalling etc. |
02:10.44 | thefool | so hvontres|poodle: any guidance on installing "by hand" |
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02:13.33 | siriusnova | join #ubuntu-offtopic |
02:13.34 | siriusnova | err |
02:15.08 | summatusmentis | kantlivelong, what kind of battery life do you get? |
02:17.45 | kantlivelong | summatusmentis: pretty long ... i really couldnt give a number tho... but it depends on my task.. if im doin airodump usually 6 hours |
02:18.25 | summatusmentis | what? you get six hours w/ wifi, on a 5600? |
02:18.42 | siriusnova | 6 hours? |
02:18.49 | hvontres|poodle | thefool: try this : http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=12915&st=40&p=91005&#entry91005 |
02:18.54 | siriusnova | what kind of battery gives you 6 hours + battery |
02:18.58 | siriusnova | err + wifi |
02:19.28 | hvontres|poodle | except, instead of creating your own tar image, use one of the pre-made rootfs tarballs for collie |
02:20.33 | kantlivelong | yeh i keep my screen off |
02:20.35 | thefool | ok thanks, need to read through it for a while but it seems prett straight forward |
02:20.38 | kantlivelong | and no x' |
02:21.06 | summatusmentis | kantlivelong, interesting |
02:21.48 | hvontres|poodle | thefool: basically, start at step #6 and see if you get any errors along the way |
02:22.12 | siriusnova | i made a extended battery pack that gives me like 4 hours + wifi |
02:22.17 | siriusnova | with screen at max |
02:22.18 | siriusnova | for my 5500 |
02:22.36 | siriusnova | probably twice that if i turn off the backlight |
02:23.16 | hvontres|poodle | kantlivelong : which wifi card do you have? |
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02:23.44 | summatusmentis | hrm... it almost makes the 5500 seem worthwhile....now it needs some form of storage... |
02:23.47 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: senao i just bought but i used by freinds the day i tried aircrack |
02:24.30 | hvontres|poodle | ahh, I just bought a symbol la-4137 off ebay for ~$25...:) |
02:25.57 | kantlivelong | hvontres|poodle: KOO i <3 senao |
02:30.35 | hvontres|poodle | time to go home :) |
02:45.53 | thefool | alright how do I write a bloody "|" (pipe) lol |
02:46.33 | summatusmentis | fn-<space? |
02:46.42 | summatusmentis | sorry, spacebar + fn |
02:46.49 | summatusmentis | at least on the 5500... |
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02:54.50 | thefool | thats what I have :) thanks |
02:55.16 | seth1244 | Could anyone help me figure out how to get samba server working on my zaurus? |
02:55.35 | seth1244 | I get error: Could not connect to server AKITA-INACTIVE . |
02:56.04 | summatusmentis | seth1244, I know nothing about samba, is there a daemon running? |
02:57.03 | seth1244 | AFAIK yes. |
02:57.46 | summatusmentis | ps aux | grep samba |
02:59.19 | seth1244 | Returns: /usr/sbin/nmbd -s /etc/samba/smb-essential-inactive.c |
02:59.32 | summatusmentis | anyone have X11 forwarding working? |
02:59.47 | summatusmentis | it's calling a source file? |
02:59.57 | summatusmentis | what does man nmbd say? |
03:00.13 | summatusmentis | oh wait, on a Z, mmm.... I don't have any ideas |
03:01.26 | seth1244 | No manual entry for nmbd |
03:02.28 | summatusmentis | hmmm....anyone else have ideas? |
03:09.32 | summatusmentis | X11 forwarding anyone? |
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04:29.23 | thefool | anyone around? |
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04:35.18 | thefool | hvontres|home: are you active? Could use some more guidance :-) |
04:35.39 | hvontres|home | thefool: what's up? |
04:35.57 | thefool | well I followed the direction on http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=12915&st=40&p=91005&#entry91005l |
04:36.29 | thefool | and it errored out at losetup -d /dev/loop1, the detatching of the loop device |
04:36.49 | thefool | it gave the same error message as altboot gave me, not quite sure where to go from there |
04:38.26 | hvontres|home | thefool: try remounting the loop image to see if there are any files in it |
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04:40.46 | thefool | ok, it seems to be full of stuff |
04:41.12 | hvontres|home | thefool: did you try booting from it? |
04:41.18 | thefool | yea |
04:41.49 | thefool | trying again |
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04:43.09 | thefool | ha this time it seems to work. The problem is those instructions involved copying my current root into the image, being that my current root was a bootstrap... |
04:43.44 | thefool | There was no place where I could just pop in the hentges tarball or something |
04:44.15 | thefool | I am thinking I could mount the hentgez tarball and copy it to my loop image though? |
04:44.34 | thefool | or is there some better way I am missing |
04:45.33 | hvontres|home | thefool: that should do the trick, mount the loop image, untar the hentges tarball, reboot from the loop file and install the cardfs image to / |
04:46.07 | thefool | great sounds good. |
04:46.40 | thefool | thanks so much, I doubt I would have gotten this working without your help. |
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04:54.21 | hvontres|home | thefool: hey, just trying to give back some of the hard earned knowlege I have :) |
04:54.36 | hvontres|home | I once was a raw newb myself :) |
04:55.40 | thefool | well thanks |
04:56.02 | thefool | it seems I have encountered yet another issue, I can't untar the bloody thing |
04:57.27 | hvontres|home | thefool: is it a tar.bz file? |
04:57.35 | thefool | tar.gz |
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04:58.09 | thefool | it seems it does not like to untar hidden files, it fails on both my desktop and the zaurus |
04:58.30 | thefool | and yes I double checked the md5sum :) |
05:00.23 | hvontres|home | thefool: does it keep untaring or does it exit early? |
05:00.39 | thefool | it exits early |
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05:01.26 | thefool | file is from http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/images/collie/tarballs/ |
05:01.52 | hvontres|home | thefool: hmmm not sure what to do about that... |
05:04.16 | thefool | would you mind seeing if you could uncompress it? If you can then I know it's an error on my end. If you can't I know I need to look for another way around this. |
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05:09.33 | thefool | there is another set of images in an ext2 folder on the server, the size is much larger (64MB vs 9.8MB) could it be that I am supposed to use these? |
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05:11.39 | hvontres|home | thefool: I think the ones in the ext2 folder are pre-configured loop images. you coluld try to copy one of those to your SD. |
05:12.31 | thefool | well it can't hurt to try. |
05:13.30 | hvontres|home | thefool: are you trying opie or gpe? |
05:13.38 | thefool | opie |
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05:23.28 | thefool | anyways I must be heading to bed. If you have any ideas don't hesitate to type them up as I do log my chats. |
05:24.46 | thefool | thanks again, and goodnight all |
05:27.00 | hvontres|home | thefool: I untared the image and the files seemed to come out fine. the only thing that gave errors were the device nodes |
05:27.57 | thefool | hmm good to hear |
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10:24.33 | lardman | morning |
10:27.43 | CoreDump|home | morning |
10:35.08 | seth1246 | morning |
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12:02.19 | lardman | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18036&st=0&p=117262&#entry117262 |
12:02.29 | lardman | Is this libc thing still an issue? |
12:02.37 | lardman | Due to lack of bug report perhaps? |
12:02.37 | hrw|work | no |
12:02.42 | lardman | oh |
12:02.45 | hrw|work | binutils 2.16 solved it |
12:03.11 | lardman | which release uses binutils 2.16? |
12:04.13 | lardman | It appears that 3.5.4.1 uses something broken still: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=21885&st=0&p=145480&#entry145480 |
12:04.18 | hrw|work | 3.5.4.1 got it in upgrades |
12:04.24 | lardman | ah, cool |
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14:06.04 | thefool | can someone tellme how to print a backslash on the Z? |
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15:17.15 | hvontres|poodle | Morning TheFool |
15:17.30 | TheFool | good morning |
15:18.21 | hvontres|poodle | TheFool : any luck getting a loopback image working? |
15:18.30 | TheFool | after fiddling around with making my own loop file off of the tar.gz I reformated my card fat and let altboot try again |
15:18.58 | TheFool | it worked lol |
15:19.10 | TheFool | I fell of my chair laughing, I guess ext2 formatted SD cards are disliked ... |
15:19.28 | hvontres|poodle | TheFool : maybe you were suffering from PEBCAK |
15:20.16 | TheFool | whats |
15:20.20 | TheFool | PEBCAK? |
15:20.40 | hvontres|poodle | Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard :) |
15:20.51 | TheFool | :) most likely |
15:25.07 | TheFool | aw well everyhting is working now. Now I need to install prism3 support and start randomly downloading packages ;) |
15:27.12 | TheFool | the only thing left that irks me is two altboot prompts, given that that is my only complaint :-) |
15:28.09 | joshin | TheFool: You can modify altboot to do what you want. |
15:28.57 | agaffney | TheFool: you can just uninstall altboot from the rootfs on the SD card |
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15:29.31 | TheFool | hmm good point |
15:29.46 | TheFool | but then I have nothing left to complain about |
15:29.56 | agaffney | I get the 2 altboot prompts on mine, but it's never bothered me |
15:29.57 | agaffney | haha |
15:30.25 | TheFool | WOOT SanDisk ConnectPlus now working |
15:30.32 | TheFool | too easy :) |
15:31.15 | hvontres|poodle | TheFool : wow... "too easy"... not something you hear in this channel to often :) |
15:31.32 | agaffney | heh |
15:31.45 | TheFool | there were giant how-tos on getting that stupid card to work |
15:31.50 | agaffney | TheFool: is this a collie? |
15:32.07 | TheFool | now all I have to do is install prism3_support |
15:32.08 | TheFool | yea |
15:32.09 | hvontres|poodle | a lot of times it's more like " why won't this #@$%^ing thing work when I ignore your advice" |
15:32.32 | agaffney | TheFool: altboot was able to successfully create the loopback and extract the rootfs when the SD card was FAT formatted? |
15:32.41 | TheFool | yea |
15:32.45 | hvontres|poodle | ~seen Cyorxamp |
15:32.50 | ibot | cyorxamp <n=EvilJane@87.112.54.13> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 6d 16h 46m 48s ago, saying: '*thinks'. |
15:32.50 | agaffney | I think mine is FAT, but I still had no luck |
15:32.53 | TheFool | but it errored out when it was ext2 formatted |
15:33.01 | agaffney | I ended up creating the loopback manually with my linux laptop and a card reader |
15:33.12 | agaffney | and many other people have run into the same issue on collie |
15:33.19 | agaffney | nobody knows what the issue is |
15:34.18 | TheFool | hmm time to complain again :( all my apps are terminating with SIGSEGV |
15:34.54 | TheFool | Network only stays up for a few seconds once I go into configure, package manager dies when I try to install konquerer... |
15:35.31 | agaffney | I get that kind of stuff every once in a while |
15:35.35 | TheFool | any clue what I did wrong this time? :) |
15:35.40 | agaffney | but I think it was more prevelant when I had the bad SD card |
15:35.53 | joshin | hvontres|poodle, are you looking for him or hiding from him? |
15:36.00 | agaffney | I got a replacement card, and now I just occasionally get a SIGABRT with the package manager |
15:36.17 | TheFool | hmm new card, I hope I haven't killed it already |
15:36.34 | hvontres|poodle | joshin: wondering if he was still haunting this channel.. |
15:36.47 | joshin | hvontres|poodle, not until he breaks something and blames you for it |
15:37.37 | agaffney | that guy is a fscktard |
15:37.39 | TheFool | see I liked cyorxamp, because with him here I knew no matter how stupid I am there is someone dumber. |
15:37.45 | agaffney | hahaha |
15:37.55 | joshin | Well if you miss him, you can find him at: http://www.cyorxamp.info/ |
15:38.01 | hvontres|poodle | hehe |
15:38.07 | joshin | And yes, he put his phone number on his web site. |
15:38.18 | agaffney | he must be 13 |
15:38.48 | agaffney | he certainly acted like it |
15:38.51 | joshin | Sadly, he's 22. |
15:38.55 | agaffney | ... |
15:39.01 | TheFool | GRR now OZ froze :( restarted and was still getting SIGSEGV and now it froze! :( |
15:39.06 | hvontres|poodle | ohhh... impressive web site...:) |
15:39.49 | hvontres|poodle | joshin: will, his ID might claim that he's 22...but I think his mind is still stuck at ~13 |
15:39.49 | joshin | I just like the phone number. If I had free US -> uk calling I would call him frequently just to check on his Zaurus and making sure that it was working fine. :) |
15:39.57 | joshin | hvontres|poodle, you are being generous. |
15:41.03 | hvontres|poodle | joshin: your right, he is actually more like a foul mouthed 2 year old...:) Lucky for me my younger daughter actually seems more mature than him :) |
15:41.10 | agaffney | heh |
15:41.48 | joshin | hvontres|poodle, my kids too. :) |
15:43.46 | TheFool | grr ok everythime I do anything involving the network my Z SIGSEGV's and freezes, I am thinking it might have to do with the prism3 or hostap files I recently installed. |
15:45.01 | joshin | I really should update my Z to something newer than 3.5.1... |
15:45.15 | agaffney | mine's running 3.5.4, I think |
15:45.25 | hvontres|poodle | joshin : 3.5.4.x is quite nice :) |
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15:46.00 | TheFool | ok it's definitely something to do with my wifi card, I pop it out and everything magically fixes itself. |
15:46.08 | joshin | hvontres|poodle, Yup. I haven't powered on my Collie since testing to see if it could handle a 6v AC adapter. |
15:46.13 | joshin | It could. :) |
15:46.26 | TheFool | funny I had the thing working no prob on a direct to Z install |
15:47.01 | joshin | TheFool, collie right? |
15:47.32 | hvontres|poodle | TheFool : do you have a cradle/usb cable? |
15:48.56 | TheFool | collie yes |
15:49.01 | TheFool | no cradle/usb :( |
15:50.37 | hvontres|poodle | TheFool : so If you boot from flash the card works? |
15:51.27 | TheFool | yea, well once I installed the prism3 support package and hostap modules |
15:51.34 | TheFool | did the same here |
15:53.11 | taknnc | hmmm |
15:53.27 | siriusnova | openzaurus doesnt use inetd by default |
15:53.33 | siriusnova | im installing swat |
15:53.35 | siriusnova | for samba |
15:55.37 | TheFool | aw well, at least I know OZ is on there right, wireless can be figured out later. For now I can always manually install packages |
15:59.11 | agaffney | what SD card do you have? |
15:59.24 | agaffney | the collie is extremely picky about which cards it'll play nice with |
16:00.16 | TheFool | me? PKY 1gb, it's playing nice with that, just not with my Wireless CF card. |
16:01.50 | agaffney | well, I was getting quick data corruption on the 1GB SD card that it didn't like |
16:02.01 | agaffney | but this other 1GB card works great |
16:02.45 | TheFool | I don't know this doesn't seem like data corruption to me ... it even "unfreezes" when I pull the CF card. |
16:03.12 | TheFool | and the PKY card was one of the "recommended" cards... |
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16:05.34 | agaffney | TheFool: I've been seeing a freeze recently with my prism2 card |
16:05.37 | agaffney | which wasn't there before |
16:05.47 | agaffney | it freezes if I boot up with it |
16:05.54 | agaffney | but works fine if I take it out and stick it in after boot |
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16:08.09 | TheFool | hmm worth a try, It seems that when I stick it in after boot (after booting up with it in) it never really activates it. This wasn't happening on my flash install |
16:10.28 | TheFool | ok well restarted then stuck it in, now the card light is blinking (instead of the solid for activated) and is not making any connection with the router, and everything is still exiting with SIGSEGV |
16:11.02 | agaffney | like I said, I was getting SIGSEGV everywhere when the loopback was corrupted on the SD card |
16:11.40 | TheFool | ok, well I will try an install to my other SD then |
16:11.44 | TheFool | thanks |
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16:55.39 | Greg2 | hello all |
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17:17.44 | siriusnova | anyone here own a 5600? |
17:19.07 | Greg2 | siriusnova: yes |
17:19.49 | siriusnova | Greg - is it better then the 5500? |
17:19.51 | siriusnova | how is the screen? |
17:20.50 | Greg2 | siriusnova: it is better in my opinion, the screen is about the same |
17:21.45 | Greg2 | siriusnova: it uses 2.6 kernel :) |
17:22.03 | siriusnova | thats true |
17:22.17 | siriusnova | is the kernel that buch better? |
17:22.24 | Greg2 | yes |
17:23.26 | siriusnova | hmm how so? |
17:23.33 | siriusnova | i mean what difference does it make on a zaurus |
17:23.34 | siriusnova | ;) |
17:23.57 | Greg2 | give me a min |
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17:35.47 | siriusnova | hrmm ok |
17:35.50 | siriusnova | im happy with my 5500 |
17:35.51 | GStepper | hi |
17:36.06 | siriusnova | and i just build a external battery pack for my sharp zaurus that gives me 5+ hours of use |
17:36.19 | agaffney | heh |
17:36.38 | hvontres|poodle | ohh, and if you do get a 5600, try to find one with a PXA-255 instead of the PXA-250. Intel fixed a bug in the processor and the 255 are much faster :) |
17:37.48 | hvontres|poodle | s/are much/is much/ |
17:39.32 | siriusnova | id rather have a C series |
17:39.37 | siriusnova | but the C1000s are too expensive on ebay |
17:39.44 | siriusnova | and no one wants to sell a C760 etc.. |
17:39.54 | Greg2 | siriusnova: I see hvontres|poodle has answered you :) |
17:40.00 | siriusnova | heh |
17:40.15 | Greg2 | hvontres|poodle: have you benchmarked your poodle with 2.6? |
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17:43.27 | siriusnova | agaffney - quite long - i have 2500mah batteries so it lasts me like 5+ hours |
17:43.32 | siriusnova | that is 5 hours + wifi |
17:43.53 | agaffney | nice |
17:43.58 | agaffney | I think I'll order that thing |
17:44.01 | agaffney | especially since it's so cheap |
17:44.10 | TheFool | they have car chargers as well :) |
17:44.31 | TheFool | needs the usb cable though :( |
17:44.51 | siriusnova | well |
17:44.59 | siriusnova | just get a power inverter for cheap from ebay |
17:45.14 | siriusnova | i bought a 75 watt power inverter from wallmart actually |
17:45.18 | siriusnova | plugs into the cigarette lighter in your car |
17:45.26 | siriusnova | and then you can plug in your AC adapter or laptop :P |
17:45.32 | siriusnova | cost me like $15 bucks |
17:45.36 | TheFool | heh I have a 1000W sitting in my car...no room left on it |
17:45.41 | siriusnova | lol |
17:45.58 | TheFool | it drained my battery like crazy |
17:45.59 | siriusnova | heh |
17:46.05 | TheFool | had to stick an old cadilac battery in |
17:47.39 | agaffney | heh |
17:47.44 | agaffney | order complete! |
17:47.52 | agaffney | now I need some NiMH AAs :P |
17:47.56 | siriusnova | why not build one? |
17:48.01 | agaffney | because I'm lazy |
17:48.03 | siriusnova | i am thinking of building a new one |
17:48.05 | agaffney | and this was pretty darn cheap |
17:48.07 | siriusnova | using wood |
17:48.12 | siriusnova | make it match the zaurus |
17:48.15 | siriusnova | hehehe |
17:48.27 | siriusnova | i should make a mahogany case of my zaurus |
17:48.30 | siriusnova | >.> |
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17:55.36 | Greg2 | hvontres|poodle, siriusnova, my poodle with pxa250: Dhrystone Benchmark, Version 2.1 (Language: C) |
17:55.36 | Greg2 | Register option not selected. |
17:55.36 | Greg2 | Microseconds for one loop: 2.4 |
17:55.36 | Greg2 | Dhrystones per second: 411827.7 |
17:55.36 | Greg2 | VAX MIPS rating: 234.393 |
17:56.51 | siriusnova | hmm k |
17:58.04 | Greg2 | 2.6 makes a big difference on poodle |
17:58.56 | Greg2 | and alsa sound in very nice to listen to |
17:59.13 | Greg2 | s/in/is |
17:59.50 | siriusnova | i guess so |
17:59.51 | siriusnova | :/ |
18:00.06 | siriusnova | ill have to live with my poor Collie |
18:00.26 | Greg2 | i have both |
18:01.39 | siriusnova | honestly the only thing i would upgrade to would a C series |
18:01.46 | siriusnova | because the vga screen makes a huge difference |
18:01.50 | siriusnova | *would be |
18:02.02 | Greg2 | indeed! |
18:02.04 | siriusnova | and i can actually run X and GPE and get an xterminal |
18:03.06 | Greg2 | but... my dogs are paid for:) |
18:03.50 | siriusnova | lol |
18:04.07 | siriusnova | id like to get a C series but im too poor atm |
18:04.13 | siriusnova | college student = poor student |
18:04.15 | siriusnova | heh |
18:06.57 | Greg2 | i doubt that there is anyone here who would not want a C-series :) |
18:09.07 | siriusnova | i was thinking of getting an C series but then i thought about how useful they really are |
18:09.13 | siriusnova | and i might just get a THinkpad X series |
18:09.37 | GStepper | do you thikn 2007 will a new Zaurus ? |
18:09.49 | Greg2 | bbl |
18:09.52 | siriusnova | maybe |
18:10.03 | joshin | I was debating between a C-series and a PepperPad3 and went with the PP3 since I don't trust Sharp to not screw Zaurus users again. |
18:10.19 | siriusnova | get a sony ux180p |
18:10.22 | siriusnova | i saw one the other day |
18:10.24 | siriusnova | was really nice hehehe |
18:10.53 | siriusnova | also there is the problem of support with the c series, if anything goes wrong you have to send it to japan and deal with the obnoxious customer service |
18:11.15 | GStepper | mine is working fine .... |
18:11.19 | siriusnova | yeah i know |
18:11.24 | GStepper | generally they work fine |
18:11.24 | siriusnova | but what if it breaks or something happens |
18:11.34 | GStepper | :'( |
18:11.48 | GStepper | that's why I took a SL C 1000 |
18:12.44 | GStepper | I thought It would be less "fragile" than a Z w/ HD |
18:13.15 | GStepper | but sometimes I wish I had enough money for a 3200... |
18:13.18 | siriusnova | yeah |
18:25.15 | hvontres|poodle | Greg2: I don't have a pxa-255 myself, but I remember using one of the "special" 2.4 kernels once and it was way faster |
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18:34.45 | Greg2 | hvontres|poodle: i don't have one either... i would be cuious to know what CoreDump is getting with a pxa255 with dhrystone v2.1 using 2.6.xx |
18:35.49 | hvontres|poodle | Greg2 : he should be on later :) |
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18:36.35 | hvontres|poodle | Greg2: how is that updated konq-e working for you? |
18:36.46 | Greg2 | great |
18:37.16 | hvontres|poodle | Greg2 : so the other apps don't mind haveing the qt-mt libs? |
18:37.45 | Greg2 | not that i have found/use |
18:56.23 | Greg2 | hvontres|poodle: has the qt-mt libs been a problem for you or others with opie? I can not find anything that does not work on 'my' poodle-build 10-11-06 with them installed? |
18:57.21 | hvontres|poodle | Greg2: I have not installed them yet. I was going to see if anybody had issues. |
18:57.31 | Greg2 | ok |
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19:22.12 | Greg2 | CoreDump|afk: ping |
19:22.38 | Greg2 | CoreDump|afk: as per this thread and more specifically this post: |
19:22.38 | Greg2 | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=21795&view=findpost&p=145507 |
19:22.52 | Greg2 | will you be pushing your changes into OE? If so, as what (dev., hentges?)... so that we can 'try' to help? |
19:23.21 | Greg2 | see ya later |
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21:09.19 | Greg2 | hi |
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21:22.49 | Laibsch | hrw|gone: Do you still have a version of opie-image-3.5.4.1-collie.rootfs.tar.gz floating around? I need this for verification purposes. |
21:22.51 | peb | Hi .-) I just got my C3200 yesterday ... neat toy after my previous c860 |
21:28.41 | GStepper | I've seen that Sharp have really nice Zaurus like PDA/Phone with Win CE on it are there any plan to port OZ on those beauty machines ? |
21:36.54 | peb | hi gstepper, which models are you talking about? |
21:37.12 | GStepper | ok wait a sec ;) |
21:41.19 | GStepper | peb:http://www.willcom-inc.com/ja/lineup/ws/004sh/index.html (one of those) |
21:41.44 | GStepper | I know they have several model really close to Zaurus (PXA270 based) |
21:42.04 | GStepper | but van't find a very good link where I could c them all :( |
21:44.44 | peb | looks like the milo, slightly different case ... |
21:44.55 | GStepper | nice isn't it ? |
21:45.07 | GStepper | but sadly their not linux based :( |
21:45.52 | peb | that's for me one of the killer arguments. I'll be able to change the OS to do the things I think are essential -- and to be able to expand it the way I like to. |
21:45.57 | GStepper | just like the zaurus they got real keyboard, lage touch screen, phone capabilities... I like that |
21:46.36 | GStepper | Yes I agree, that's why I asked if someone worked on it .... |
21:48.31 | Greg2 | bbl |
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22:24.36 | peb | that's for me one of the killer arguments. I'll be able to change the OS to do the things I think are essential -- and to be able to expand it the way I like to. |
22:41.17 | CoreDump|home | hi |
22:41.39 | peb | hi CoreDump |
22:41.39 | GStepper | hi |
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22:45.26 | summatusmentis | how exactly do loop images work? I'm trying to decide between new 1000 + 4GB sd, or used 3100 |
22:45.59 | CoreDump|home | summatusmentis: I would go for the 3100 =) Nothing can beat an HDD |
22:46.12 | summatusmentis | why? |
22:46.25 | GStepper | my akita works fine .... |
22:46.34 | summatusmentis | I mean, how is an HDD > SD? |
22:46.37 | CoreDump|home | for one you have 4Gb built in in addition to free SD an CF slots |
22:46.49 | GStepper | sure ..... |
22:47.39 | summatusmentis | CoreDump|home, sdio isn't working yet? |
22:47.52 | CoreDump|home | summatusmentis: not to my knowledge no. |
22:48.05 | summatusmentis | hrm, ok |
22:48.47 | summatusmentis | the 3100 works out to be approx. $30 more expensive, through conics.net |
22:48.50 | GStepper | hope 2007 will the birth of a new Z model .... |
22:49.36 | CoreDump|home | GStepper: let's hope for something *really* new. Not just another SL-C3x00 w/ a bigger MD |
22:49.53 | GStepper | right |
22:49.59 | summatusmentis | heh, watch, as soon as I get this, 3 months later, it'll be a new one |
22:50.13 | CoreDump|home | I want built-in Bluetooth and WLAN dammit |
22:50.19 | CoreDump|home | summatusmentis: =) |
22:50.24 | GStepper | sure |
22:50.47 | summatusmentis | CoreDump|home, even just wlan |
22:50.59 | GStepper | wifi and ethernet for me ... and a 10Go HD with 800*600 touch screen... :p |
22:51.01 | CoreDump|home | summatusmentis: right |
22:51.30 | summatusmentis | and then my gadgetwhore-ness would kick in... and I'd feel terrible because I wouldn't be able to afford the new one |
22:51.31 | CoreDump|home | GStepper: get a Nokia V770 for the 800x600 TS ;) |
22:51.48 | GStepper | I prefer Zaurii .... |
22:51.56 | GStepper | but the nokia is fine too |
22:52.04 | GStepper | i mean not bad ...... ;) |
22:52.15 | CoreDump|home | GStepper: I've only seen pics, but yeah. Looks at least interesting |
22:52.33 | GStepper | I saw one running in an airport .... nice |
22:52.54 | GStepper | but I love clamshells look and keyboard :p |
22:53.00 | CoreDump|home | me too |
22:53.26 | GStepper | BTW the new Z model would run a 2.6 based linux .... |
22:53.31 | CoreDump|home | but today is poodle time ;) |
22:53.41 | CoreDump|home | GStepper: I damn well hope so. |
22:53.42 | GStepper | you have an akita CoreDump ? |
22:53.47 | CoreDump|home | yes |
22:53.58 | CoreDump|home | Akita, Poodle and Collie ATM |
22:54.02 | summatusmentis | ~akita |
22:54.12 | ibot | akita is probably the Sharp SL-C1000, or a dog |
22:54.12 | GStepper | he nice collection ;) |
22:54.18 | GStepper | lol |
22:54.25 | CoreDump|home | Akita and Poodle were donated ;) |
22:54.46 | GStepper | Some are lucky but I won't name them ... ;) |
22:55.04 | GStepper | I only have Akita but I'm so happy with it .... |
22:55.13 | CoreDump|home | GStepper: Akita = Luck, Poodle = mostly work |
22:55.17 | GStepper | As nice as I dreamt about |
22:55.26 | GStepper | ok |
22:55.42 | GStepper | I waited for that time since C750 .... |
22:55.45 | CoreDump|home | GStepper: SL-Cxx00 rocks. Bad-ass screen, great keyboard etc etc |
22:55.58 | GStepper | Sure ! |
22:56.13 | CoreDump|home | god I hate updater.sh :( |
22:56.19 | GStepper | lol |
22:56.23 | GStepper | why ? |
22:56.40 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home: is the SL_Cxx00 screen much bigger than a C-xxx? |
22:56.53 | GStepper | Akita = Black beauty (also the name of a mervellous Jimi Hendrix guitar) |
22:56.56 | CoreDump|home | GStepper: http://rafb.net/paste/results/8S2W9W56.html |
22:57.18 | CoreDump|home | hvontres|poodle: they have identical screens to my knowledge |
22:57.48 | GStepper | hvontres|poodle:yes normally the same screen |
22:58.50 | hvontres|poodle | # One updater.sh to rule them all |
22:58.59 | hvontres|poodle | and in darkness bind them ???? |
22:59.00 | GStepper | CoreDump|home:I'm not a shell script guru .... |
22:59.13 | summatusmentis | GStepper, language: C++ |
22:59.31 | GStepper | lol |
22:59.37 | peb | Coredump, do you have a link handy if you (me) want to recompile GPE programs for Spitz? (Dev-Environment)? |
23:00.07 | GStepper | summatusmentis: C++ ? |
23:00.30 | summatusmentis | that's what it said... hold on |
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23:02.19 | summatusmentis | GStepper, nope, I'm wrong, as is the label thing at the top |
23:02.24 | GStepper | ok i just didn't know C++ contains reserved word like esac, fi, rm ..... |
23:02.50 | GStepper | !#bin/sh is usaully enough to know what's inside ... :p |
23:02.54 | CoreDump|home | peb: openembedded.org, check the gettingstarted wiki. Or maybe ask in #gpe |
23:03.04 | summatusmentis | GStepper, you win |
23:03.06 | peb | Coredump, thanks! |
23:03.15 | CoreDump|home | np |
23:03.24 | GStepper | summatusmentis:we won as we find the thing ;) |
23:03.28 | CoreDump|home | hvontres|poodle: insider joke from hrw =) |
23:03.51 | GStepper | does he like pokemon ? :) |
23:04.00 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home: maybe we should get him some LOTR stuff for Xmas :) |
23:04.01 | CoreDump|home | heh |
23:04.13 | GStepper | lol |
23:04.32 | CoreDump|home | hrw|gone: I'm tempted the trash the blasted updater.sh and rewrite it from scratch :\ |
23:05.08 | GStepper | You tested it and it doesn't work ? |
23:05.29 | CoreDump|home | worse |
23:05.39 | CoreDump|home | I have to hack it to do my bidding |
23:06.00 | CoreDump|home | and when I look at it, rewriting would probably faster than fixing the SHARP mess |
23:06.48 | summatusmentis | bum deal, no 3100s on ebay |
23:07.36 | Greg2 | hi CoreDump|home |
23:07.39 | GStepper | I'll never understand Sharp's policy to not sell the Zs worldwide ..... |
23:07.46 | CoreDump|home | hi Greg2 |
23:07.57 | GStepper | I'm sure they lost money .... (well I think) |
23:08.34 | CoreDump|home | Greg2: the changes are very small. A on-liner in poodles machine.conf and a new updater.sh |
23:09.31 | Greg2 | CoreDump|home: are they in dev. ? |
23:09.42 | summatusmentis | GStepper, yeah, I agree |
23:09.57 | summatusmentis | if I could swing it, I'd get a 6000, but that's not happening |
23:10.01 | CoreDump|home | Greg2: not yet as updater.sh is not yet finished |
23:10.26 | CoreDump|home | Greg2: also commiting that would break normal Poodle builds completly |
23:10.47 | Greg2 | CoreDump|home: how can I help? |
23:12.21 | CoreDump|home | The conversion to an SD rootfs should not be too much of a problem. However, Poodle could use some work on the GPE front. Last time I checked, not even the hotkeys were assigned |
23:15.30 | summatusmentis | ~poodle |
23:15.33 | ibot | [poodle] sl-5600/b500, or a dog |
23:15.33 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home : I talked to XorA|gone this morning and I might take a stab at getting opie-qss to work with alsa volume |
23:15.34 | Greg2 | CoreDump|home: i have a faster connection now... i was hopeing to help with opie... but I'll try :) |
23:16.04 | CoreDump|home | hvontres|poodle: that would be most welcome =) |
23:16.21 | Greg2 | K :) |
23:17.34 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home : yeah, in theory all thats needed is remapping the Volume to ogain. I tried it with setmixer and it works :) |
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23:21.15 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home : I also have a fix for the keymap that makes "ok" work in opie. Should I post it to the bugtracker? |
23:21.28 | CoreDump|home | hvontres|poodle: please do so |
23:31.52 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home : done : http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1552 |
23:32.56 | CoreDump|home | hmmmmm |
23:33.13 | CoreDump|home | now what was the trick to boot the "flasher" OS on poodle again? |
23:33.37 | Greg2 | ? |
23:34.16 | CoreDump|home | the mini OS used to flash the device |
23:34.18 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home : hard reset, plug in AC, hold down OK and press Cancel |
23:34.29 | CoreDump|home | hvontres|poodle: nahhh =) |
23:35.19 | hvontres|poodle | ohh, you mean to boot the the recue os? I think its hidden in diagnostics.. |
23:35.31 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home : cheater :) |
23:36.44 | CoreDump|home | +mhentges@oe-poodle:..mages/3.5.4.2-rc2/poodle >ll updater.sh |
23:36.44 | CoreDump|home | -rwxr-xr-x 1 mhentges mhentges 19 Nov 4 00:35 updater.sh |
23:36.47 | CoreDump|home | muhahaha |
23:38.06 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home : it took you a whole block to wire #!/bin/sh? |
23:38.36 | CoreDump|home | actually it's #!/bin/sh \ /bin/sh |
23:38.47 | Greg2 | heh |
23:38.58 | hvontres|poodle | ohhhh.. ahhhh...ehhhh thats great :) |
23:39.56 | CoreDump|home | got a shell prompt =D |
23:41.01 | hvontres|poodle | what kernel is it running now? |
23:43.14 | CoreDump|home | 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix |
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23:45.42 | sirius|pda | gi |
23:45.45 | sirius|pda | hi |
23:45.53 | GStepper | hi |
23:46.03 | sirius|pda | whats going on? |
23:47.09 | CoreDump|home | hi sirius|collie |
23:47.29 | sirius|collie | hi |
23:47.49 | Greg2 | CoreDump|home: can/would you run a dhrystone on your 255? |
23:48.24 | CoreDump|home | Greg2: umm sure. how? |
23:48.49 | Greg2 | CoreDump|home: can I email it to you? |
23:49.11 | CoreDump|home | Greg2: oe (AT) hentges (DOT) net |
23:49.17 | Greg2 | k |
23:49.27 | sirius|collie | hey you guys know how to run gpe and opie at the same time? |
23:50.46 | CoreDump|home | sirius|collie: this would be barely useable |
23:51.12 | sirius|collie | what about opie and gpe, like switch between them |
23:51.50 | sirius|collie | because i want to run a few x apps but not switch to gpe entirely... stuff like dillo etc.. |
23:52.57 | CoreDump|home | sirius|collie: Opie+GPE = slow. *really* slow. Also it usually breaks auto-dimm of the display and auto-suspend |
23:53.33 | sirius|collie | Coredump - what about separtely |
23:53.34 | hvontres|poodle | time to go home. see y'all later :) |
23:53.50 | CoreDump|home | later hvontres|poodle |
23:53.58 | CoreDump|home | sirius|collie: that would work yes |
23:54.07 | sirius|collie | like run x11 server when i need to |
23:54.12 | CoreDump|home | there is a how somewhere on how to do that IIRC |
23:54.21 | CoreDump|home | s/how/howto |
23:54.28 | sirius|collie | hmmm k |
23:54.35 | sirius|collie | what about xqt2 |
23:54.57 | CoreDump|home | never used xqt sorry |
23:58.55 | sirius|collie | CoreDunp|home what do you use gpe or opie? |