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00:00.13kantlivelongCoreDump|home: yeah ive done it.. but like i mentioned... leaves unused items :)
00:00.28kantlivelongi acctually had fluxbox on my poodle
00:00.35kantlivelongi liked it
00:00.41CoreDump|homekantlivelong: heh how did that one go?
00:00.48kantlivelonggreat acctually
00:00.54kantlivelongit ran flawlessly
00:01.42CoreDump|homeyeah, but was it useable / useful?
00:01.42kantlivelongi mean it uses barely anything
00:01.49kantlivelongyeah it was acctually
00:02.15kantlivelongi had a menu
00:02.17kantlivelongand apps
00:02.22kantlivelongworks amazing tbh
00:02.51kantlivelongi used the HOME key to spawn a menu
00:02.51kantlivelongthe fluxmenu
00:02.51CoreDump|homeI'm using a GPE+fluxbox combo+
00:02.55kantlivelongyeah i saw that
00:03.11kantlivelongidk i use fluxbox as my main WM on my comps
00:03.29kantlivelonggrew old of KDE but i love KDE
00:03.57kantlivelongKDE is the future for linux.. its what will get it on main vendors
00:04.25kantlivelonggnome is great also but it doesnt have that feel that windows people are used to
00:05.00CoreDump|homescrew the windows people
00:05.16kantlivelongCoreDump|home: well yeah but im just saying..
00:05.29kantlivelongwere u on windows b4?
00:05.34kantlivelongif u were im sure ur WM was KDE
00:06.06kantlivelongif it was fluxbox or IceWM im sure u would still be on windows
00:06.06CoreDump|homekantlivelong: "my" last windows was win98
00:06.12kantlivelongmy last was 2k
00:06.15CoreDump|homeand I started on WindowMaker actually =) on slackware hehe
00:06.23kantlivelongbut you get what im saying right?
00:06.31CoreDump|home9-disk floppy install
00:06.44kantlivelongthats always fun :)
00:07.13kantlivelongyeah ive never used 2.4 kernel for a desktop.. ive only used it on servers
00:08.36kantlivelongneways... would ya like to get this new boot load idea a go?
00:09.46CoreDump|homekantlivelong: a go, yeah. Can't promise anything tho
00:10.03kantlivelongwell no one can promise these kinds of things
00:10.36seth1244What is the difference between samba and samba-essential?
00:11.16kantlivelongthere needs to be a smaller dm then gpe something to simply go into the WM
00:11.29kantlivelongi no im suggestin alot of crap
00:11.41CoreDump|homeseth1244: essential is a cut-down version of samba
00:12.31kantlivelongwhere the heck is the kernel source neways
00:12.53seth1244So I can install samba-essential in stead of samba and save about 6mb? Would I be missing any major functions?
00:13.26CoreDump|homeseth1244: I don't remember the details, sorry. I do however know that one can export smb shares w/ it just fine
00:14.01kantlivelongor sshfs
00:16.55seth1244I guess samba-essential won't work when trying to install I get: /etc/init.d/samba does not exist .
00:17.24kantlivelongseth1244: what about smb*
00:17.26kantlivelong?
00:17.34CoreDump|homeyou didn't install into / right?
00:21.21seth1244I installed to home because / is getting almost full. I think the problem may be that I havn't yet done ipkg-link.
00:22.10CoreDump|homeseth1244: indeed
00:22.20CoreDump|homekantlivelong: /dev/loop0              147.7M    104.8M     35.4M  75% / <- poodle ftw
00:22.43kantlivelongwhats this for now?
00:23.06CoreDump|homea poodle ext2 image, fully populated w/ need for cardfs
00:23.19kantlivelongah
00:23.45kantlivelongsee i dont use loops.. i just have my sd formatted in ext2
00:24.20CoreDump|homethat's was the tarballs are for
00:24.31kantlivelongyep
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00:27.17kantlivelongCoreDump|home: how can i tell oZ what modules to load on boot?
00:28.53CoreDump|home/etc/modules or something in that corner
00:29.28CoreDump|hometime for bed
00:29.31CoreDump|homen8 all
00:30.06kantlivelongl8r
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02:02.03thefoolanyone around?
02:02.49hvontres|poodlethefool: yes?
02:02.53summatusmentisyes
02:02.58siriusnovaim here
02:02.59siriusnovasorta
02:03.21kantlivelonglo
02:03.31thefoolhaving an odd problem. I have a loop image on an SD card and I am trying to install via altboot
02:03.50thefoolIt seems to go through all the steps and then I get the error "losetup: ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: No such device or address"
02:04.23hvontres|poodlethefool: can you boot from flash?
02:04.29thefoolwhen trying to boot from the SD card I get "not found" errors on literally everything
02:05.00thefoolhvontres|poodle: I have a 1gb SD and a 16mb flash so SD is sorta needed
02:05.23hvontres|poodlethefool: no, I mean does your bootstrap image work?
02:05.45thefooloh yea
02:05.57thefoolI even tried full install of opie and it worked
02:06.10thefoolexcept I had no room to install anything ...lol
02:06.15hvontres|poodlecan you ssh in ?
02:06.44thefoolno, no way of networking with it until I have OZ on it. No USB cable etc.
02:07.06thefooldo you have any clue what that error means?
02:07.34hvontres|poodlethefool: it sounds like your loopback file is not being created correctly.
02:08.02hvontres|poodlethefool: you might want to try to do it "by hand" instead of having altboot do it for you.
02:08.11thefoolso...what would cause that? bad image?
02:08.15hvontres|poodlewhat version of altboot do you have
02:08.29thefoolhvontres|poodle: how do I do that? Never done something like this before.
02:08.34kantlivelonghvontres|poodle: my charge light went off:)
02:08.42thefool1.0.5
02:08.55hvontres|poodlethefool: no, I think it might be failing before it gets to the point of installing the files.
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02:09.11hvontres|poodlekantlivelong : yay...
02:09.15siriusnovathefool - yeah thats a normal error
02:09.20siriusnovathat happens to me too
02:09.23siriusnovai just shutdown at that point
02:09.25siriusnovaand restart
02:09.28siriusnovaand it works fine
02:09.37thefoolhm,m I've done that half a dozen times
02:09.50kantlivelongim so excited that my wifi comes tommarow.. how well does roaming work?
02:10.01siriusnovalol
02:10.18thefoolremoved the boot-image folder and try reinstalling etc.
02:10.44thefoolso hvontres|poodle: any guidance on installing "by hand"
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02:13.33siriusnovajoin #ubuntu-offtopic
02:13.34siriusnovaerr
02:15.08summatusmentiskantlivelong, what kind of battery life do you get?
02:17.45kantlivelongsummatusmentis: pretty long ... i really couldnt give  a number tho... but it depends on my task.. if im doin airodump usually 6 hours
02:18.25summatusmentiswhat? you get six hours w/ wifi, on a 5600?
02:18.42siriusnova6 hours?
02:18.49hvontres|poodlethefool: try this : http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=12915&st=40&p=91005&#entry91005
02:18.54siriusnovawhat kind of battery gives you 6 hours + battery
02:18.58siriusnovaerr + wifi
02:19.28hvontres|poodleexcept, instead of creating your own tar image, use one of the pre-made rootfs tarballs for collie
02:20.33kantlivelongyeh i keep my screen off
02:20.35thefoolok thanks, need to read through it for a while but it seems prett straight forward
02:20.38kantlivelongand no x'
02:21.06summatusmentiskantlivelong, interesting
02:21.48hvontres|poodlethefool: basically, start at step #6 and see if you get any errors along the way
02:22.12siriusnovai made a extended battery pack that gives me like 4 hours + wifi
02:22.17siriusnovawith screen at max
02:22.18siriusnovafor my 5500
02:22.36siriusnovaprobably twice that if i turn off the backlight
02:23.16hvontres|poodlekantlivelong : which wifi card do you have?
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02:23.44summatusmentishrm... it almost makes the 5500 seem worthwhile....now it needs some form of storage...
02:23.47kantlivelonghvontres|poodle: senao i just bought but i used by freinds the day i tried aircrack
02:24.30hvontres|poodleahh, I just bought a symbol la-4137 off ebay for ~$25...:)
02:25.57kantlivelonghvontres|poodle: KOO i <3 senao
02:30.35hvontres|poodletime to go home :)
02:45.53thefoolalright how do I write a bloody "|" (pipe) lol
02:46.33summatusmentisfn-<space?
02:46.42summatusmentissorry, spacebar + fn
02:46.49summatusmentisat least on the 5500...
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02:54.50thefoolthats what I have :) thanks
02:55.16seth1244Could anyone help me figure out how to get samba server working on my zaurus?
02:55.35seth1244I get error: Could not connect to server AKITA-INACTIVE .
02:56.04summatusmentisseth1244, I know nothing about samba, is there a daemon running?
02:57.03seth1244AFAIK yes.
02:57.46summatusmentisps aux | grep samba
02:59.19seth1244Returns: /usr/sbin/nmbd -s /etc/samba/smb-essential-inactive.c
02:59.32summatusmentisanyone have X11 forwarding working?
02:59.47summatusmentisit's calling a source file?
02:59.57summatusmentiswhat does man nmbd say?
03:00.13summatusmentisoh wait, on a Z, mmm.... I don't have any ideas
03:01.26seth1244No manual entry for nmbd
03:02.28summatusmentishmmm....anyone else have ideas?
03:09.32summatusmentisX11 forwarding anyone?
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04:29.23thefoolanyone around?
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04:35.18thefoolhvontres|home: are you active? Could use some more guidance :-)
04:35.39hvontres|homethefool: what's up?
04:35.57thefoolwell I followed the direction on http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=12915&st=40&p=91005&#entry91005l
04:36.29thefooland it errored out at losetup -d /dev/loop1, the detatching of the loop device
04:36.49thefoolit gave the same error message as altboot gave me, not quite sure where to go from there
04:38.26hvontres|homethefool: try remounting the loop image to see if there are any files in it
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04:40.46thefoolok, it seems to be full of stuff
04:41.12hvontres|homethefool: did you try booting from it?
04:41.18thefoolyea
04:41.49thefooltrying again
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04:43.09thefoolha this time it seems to work. The problem is those instructions involved copying my current root into the image, being that my current root was a bootstrap...
04:43.44thefoolThere was no place where I could just pop in the hentges tarball or something
04:44.15thefoolI am thinking I could mount the hentgez tarball and copy it to my loop image though?
04:44.34thefoolor is there some better way I am missing
04:45.33hvontres|homethefool: that should do the trick, mount the loop image, untar the hentges tarball, reboot from the loop file and install the cardfs image to /
04:46.07thefoolgreat sounds good.
04:46.40thefoolthanks so much, I doubt I would have gotten this working without your help.
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04:54.21hvontres|homethefool: hey, just trying to give back some of the hard earned knowlege I have :)
04:54.36hvontres|homeI once was a raw newb myself :)
04:55.40thefoolwell thanks
04:56.02thefoolit seems I have encountered yet another issue, I can't untar the bloody thing
04:57.27hvontres|homethefool: is it a tar.bz file?
04:57.35thefooltar.gz
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04:58.09thefoolit seems it does not like to untar hidden files, it fails on both my desktop and the zaurus
04:58.30thefooland yes I double checked the md5sum :)
05:00.23hvontres|homethefool: does it keep untaring or does it exit early?
05:00.39thefoolit exits early
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05:01.26thefoolfile is from http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/images/collie/tarballs/
05:01.52hvontres|homethefool: hmmm not sure what to do about that...
05:04.16thefoolwould you mind seeing if you could uncompress it? If you can then I know it's an error on my end. If you can't I know I need to look for another way around this.
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05:09.33thefoolthere is another set of images in an ext2 folder on the server, the size is much larger (64MB vs 9.8MB) could it be that I am supposed to use these?
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05:11.39hvontres|homethefool: I think the ones in the ext2 folder are pre-configured loop images. you coluld try to copy one of those to your SD.
05:12.31thefoolwell it can't hurt to try.
05:13.30hvontres|homethefool: are you trying opie or gpe?
05:13.38thefoolopie
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05:23.28thefoolanyways I must be heading to bed.  If you have any ideas don't hesitate to type them up as I do log my chats.
05:24.46thefoolthanks again, and goodnight all
05:27.00hvontres|homethefool: I untared the image and the files seemed to come out fine. the only thing that gave errors were the device nodes
05:27.57thefoolhmm good to hear
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10:24.33lardmanmorning
10:27.43CoreDump|homemorning
10:35.08seth1246morning
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12:02.19lardmanhttp://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18036&st=0&p=117262&#entry117262
12:02.29lardmanIs this libc thing still an issue?
12:02.37lardmanDue to lack of bug report perhaps?
12:02.37hrw|workno
12:02.42lardmanoh
12:02.45hrw|workbinutils 2.16 solved it
12:03.11lardmanwhich release uses binutils 2.16?
12:04.13lardmanIt appears that 3.5.4.1 uses something broken still: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=21885&st=0&p=145480&#entry145480
12:04.18hrw|work3.5.4.1 got it in upgrades
12:04.24lardmanah, cool
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14:06.04thefoolcan someone tellme how to print a backslash on the Z?
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15:17.15hvontres|poodleMorning TheFool
15:17.30TheFoolgood morning
15:18.21hvontres|poodleTheFool : any luck getting a loopback image working?
15:18.30TheFoolafter fiddling around with making my own loop file off of the tar.gz I reformated my card fat and let altboot try again
15:18.58TheFoolit worked lol
15:19.10TheFoolI fell of my chair laughing, I guess ext2 formatted SD cards are disliked ...
15:19.28hvontres|poodleTheFool : maybe you were suffering from PEBCAK
15:20.16TheFoolwhats
15:20.20TheFoolPEBCAK?
15:20.40hvontres|poodleProblem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard :)
15:20.51TheFool:) most likely
15:25.07TheFoolaw well everyhting is working now. Now I need to install prism3 support and start randomly downloading packages ;)
15:27.12TheFoolthe only thing left that irks me is two altboot prompts, given that that is my only complaint :-)
15:28.09joshinTheFool:  You can modify altboot to do what you want.
15:28.57agaffneyTheFool: you can just uninstall altboot from the rootfs on the SD card
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15:29.31TheFoolhmm good point
15:29.46TheFoolbut then I have nothing left to complain about
15:29.56agaffneyI get the 2 altboot prompts on mine, but it's never bothered me
15:29.57agaffneyhaha
15:30.25TheFoolWOOT SanDisk ConnectPlus now working
15:30.32TheFooltoo easy :)
15:31.15hvontres|poodleTheFool : wow... "too easy"... not something you hear in this channel to often :)
15:31.32agaffneyheh
15:31.45TheFoolthere were giant how-tos on getting that stupid card to work
15:31.50agaffneyTheFool: is this a collie?
15:32.07TheFoolnow all I have to do is install prism3_support
15:32.08TheFoolyea
15:32.09hvontres|poodlea lot of times it's more like " why won't this #@$%^ing thing work when I ignore your advice"
15:32.32agaffneyTheFool: altboot was able to successfully create the loopback and extract the rootfs when the SD card was FAT formatted?
15:32.41TheFoolyea
15:32.45hvontres|poodle~seen Cyorxamp
15:32.50ibotcyorxamp <n=EvilJane@87.112.54.13> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 6d 16h 46m 48s ago, saying: '*thinks'.
15:32.50agaffneyI think mine is FAT, but I still had no luck
15:32.53TheFoolbut it errored out when it was ext2 formatted
15:33.01agaffneyI ended up creating the loopback manually with my linux laptop and a card reader
15:33.12agaffneyand many other people have run into the same issue on collie
15:33.19agaffneynobody knows what the issue is
15:34.18TheFoolhmm time to complain again :( all my apps are terminating with SIGSEGV
15:34.54TheFoolNetwork only stays up for a few seconds once I go into configure, package manager dies when I try to install konquerer...
15:35.31agaffneyI get that kind of stuff every once in a while
15:35.35TheFoolany clue what I did wrong this time? :)
15:35.40agaffneybut I think it was more prevelant when I had the bad SD card
15:35.53joshinhvontres|poodle, are you looking for him or hiding from him?
15:36.00agaffneyI got a replacement card, and now I just occasionally get a SIGABRT with the package manager
15:36.17TheFoolhmm new card, I hope I haven't killed it already
15:36.34hvontres|poodlejoshin: wondering if he was still haunting this channel..
15:36.47joshinhvontres|poodle, not until he breaks something and blames you for it
15:37.37agaffneythat guy is a fscktard
15:37.39TheFoolsee I liked cyorxamp, because with him here I knew no matter how stupid I am there is someone dumber.
15:37.45agaffneyhahaha
15:37.55joshinWell if you miss him, you can find him at: http://www.cyorxamp.info/
15:38.01hvontres|poodlehehe
15:38.07joshinAnd yes, he put his phone number on his web site.
15:38.18agaffneyhe must be 13
15:38.48agaffneyhe certainly acted like it
15:38.51joshinSadly, he's 22.
15:38.55agaffney...
15:39.01TheFoolGRR now OZ froze :( restarted and was still getting SIGSEGV and now it froze! :(
15:39.06hvontres|poodleohhh... impressive web site...:)
15:39.49hvontres|poodlejoshin: will, his ID might claim that he's 22...but I think his mind is still stuck at ~13
15:39.49joshinI just like the phone number.  If I had free US -> uk calling I would call him frequently just to check on his Zaurus and making sure that it was working fine.  :)
15:39.57joshinhvontres|poodle, you are being generous.
15:41.03hvontres|poodlejoshin: your right, he is actually more like a foul mouthed 2 year old...:) Lucky for me my younger daughter actually seems more mature than him :)
15:41.10agaffneyheh
15:41.48joshinhvontres|poodle, my kids too.  :)
15:43.46TheFoolgrr ok everythime I do anything involving the network my Z SIGSEGV's and freezes, I am thinking it might have to do with the prism3 or hostap files I recently installed.
15:45.01joshinI really should update my Z to something newer than 3.5.1...
15:45.15agaffneymine's running 3.5.4, I think
15:45.25hvontres|poodlejoshin : 3.5.4.x is quite nice :)
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15:46.00TheFoolok it's definitely something to do with my wifi card, I pop it out and everything magically fixes itself.
15:46.08joshinhvontres|poodle, Yup.  I haven't powered on my Collie since testing to see if it could handle a 6v AC adapter.
15:46.13joshinIt could.  :)
15:46.26TheFoolfunny I had the thing working no prob on a direct to Z install
15:47.01joshinTheFool, collie right?
15:47.32hvontres|poodleTheFool : do you have a cradle/usb cable?
15:48.56TheFoolcollie yes
15:49.01TheFoolno cradle/usb :(
15:50.37hvontres|poodleTheFool : so If you boot from flash the card works?
15:51.27TheFoolyea, well once I installed the prism3 support package and hostap modules
15:51.34TheFooldid the same here
15:53.11taknnchmmm
15:53.27siriusnovaopenzaurus doesnt use inetd by default
15:53.33siriusnovaim installing swat
15:53.35siriusnovafor samba
15:55.37TheFoolaw well, at least I know OZ is on there right, wireless can be figured out later. For now I can always manually install packages
15:59.11agaffneywhat SD card do you have?
15:59.24agaffneythe collie is extremely picky about which cards it'll play nice with
16:00.16TheFoolme? PKY 1gb, it's playing nice with that, just not with my Wireless CF card.
16:01.50agaffneywell, I was getting quick data corruption on the 1GB SD card that it didn't like
16:02.01agaffneybut this other 1GB card works great
16:02.45TheFoolI don't know this doesn't seem like data corruption to me ... it even "unfreezes" when I pull the CF card.
16:03.12TheFooland the PKY card was one of the "recommended" cards...
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16:05.34agaffneyTheFool: I've been seeing a freeze recently with my prism2 card
16:05.37agaffneywhich wasn't there before
16:05.47agaffneyit freezes if I boot up with it
16:05.54agaffneybut works fine if I take it out and stick it in after boot
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16:08.09TheFoolhmm worth a try, It seems that when I stick it in after boot (after booting up with it in) it never really activates it. This wasn't happening on my flash install
16:10.28TheFoolok well restarted then stuck it in, now the card light is blinking (instead of the solid for activated) and is not making any connection with the router, and everything is still exiting with SIGSEGV
16:11.02agaffneylike I said, I was getting SIGSEGV everywhere when the loopback was corrupted on the SD card
16:11.40TheFoolok, well I will try an install to my other SD then
16:11.44TheFoolthanks
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16:55.39Greg2hello all
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17:17.44siriusnovaanyone here own a 5600?
17:19.07Greg2siriusnova: yes
17:19.49siriusnovaGreg - is it better then the 5500?
17:19.51siriusnovahow is the screen?
17:20.50Greg2siriusnova: it is better in my opinion, the screen is about the same
17:21.45Greg2siriusnova: it uses 2.6 kernel :)
17:22.03siriusnovathats true
17:22.17siriusnovais the kernel that buch better?
17:22.24Greg2yes
17:23.26siriusnovahmm how so?
17:23.33siriusnovai mean what difference does it make on a zaurus
17:23.34siriusnova;)
17:23.57Greg2give me a min
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17:35.47siriusnovahrmm ok
17:35.50siriusnovaim happy with my 5500
17:35.51GStepperhi
17:36.06siriusnovaand i just build a external battery pack for my sharp zaurus that gives me 5+ hours of use
17:36.19agaffneyheh
17:36.38hvontres|poodleohh, and if you do get a 5600, try to find one with a PXA-255 instead of the PXA-250. Intel fixed a bug in the processor and the 255 are much faster :)
17:37.48hvontres|poodles/are much/is much/
17:39.32siriusnovaid rather have a C series
17:39.37siriusnovabut the C1000s are too expensive on ebay
17:39.44siriusnovaand no one wants to sell a C760 etc..
17:39.54Greg2siriusnova: I see hvontres|poodle has answered you :)
17:40.00siriusnovaheh
17:40.15Greg2hvontres|poodle: have you benchmarked your poodle with 2.6?
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17:43.27siriusnovaagaffney - quite long - i have 2500mah batteries so it lasts me like 5+ hours
17:43.32siriusnovathat is 5 hours + wifi
17:43.53agaffneynice
17:43.58agaffneyI think I'll order that thing
17:44.01agaffneyespecially since it's so cheap
17:44.10TheFoolthey have car chargers as well :)
17:44.31TheFoolneeds the usb cable though :(
17:44.51siriusnovawell
17:44.59siriusnovajust get a power inverter for cheap from ebay
17:45.14siriusnovai bought a 75 watt power inverter from wallmart actually
17:45.18siriusnovaplugs into the cigarette lighter in your car
17:45.26siriusnovaand then you can plug in your AC adapter or laptop :P
17:45.32siriusnovacost me like $15 bucks
17:45.36TheFoolheh I have a 1000W sitting in my car...no room left on it
17:45.41siriusnovalol
17:45.58TheFoolit drained my battery like crazy
17:45.59siriusnovaheh
17:46.05TheFoolhad to stick an old cadilac battery in
17:47.39agaffneyheh
17:47.44agaffneyorder complete!
17:47.52agaffneynow I need some NiMH AAs :P
17:47.56siriusnovawhy not build one?
17:48.01agaffneybecause I'm lazy
17:48.03siriusnovai am thinking of building a new one
17:48.05agaffneyand this was pretty darn cheap
17:48.07siriusnovausing wood
17:48.12siriusnovamake it match the zaurus
17:48.15siriusnovahehehe
17:48.27siriusnovai should make a mahogany case of my zaurus
17:48.30siriusnova>.>
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17:55.36Greg2hvontres|poodle, siriusnova,  my poodle with pxa250: Dhrystone Benchmark, Version 2.1 (Language: C)
17:55.36Greg2Register option not selected.
17:55.36Greg2Microseconds for one loop:     2.4
17:55.36Greg2Dhrystones per second:   411827.7
17:55.36Greg2VAX MIPS rating:    234.393
17:56.51siriusnovahmm k
17:58.04Greg22.6 makes a big difference on poodle
17:58.56Greg2and alsa sound in very nice to listen to
17:59.13Greg2s/in/is
17:59.50siriusnovai guess so
17:59.51siriusnova:/
18:00.06siriusnovaill have to live with my poor Collie
18:00.26Greg2i have both
18:01.39siriusnovahonestly the only thing i would upgrade to would a C series
18:01.46siriusnovabecause the vga screen makes a huge difference
18:01.50siriusnova*would be
18:02.02Greg2indeed!
18:02.04siriusnovaand i can actually run X and GPE and get an xterminal
18:03.06Greg2but... my dogs are paid for:)
18:03.50siriusnovalol
18:04.07siriusnovaid like to get a C series but im too poor atm
18:04.13siriusnovacollege student = poor student
18:04.15siriusnovaheh
18:06.57Greg2i doubt that there is anyone here who would not want a C-series :)
18:09.07siriusnovai was thinking of getting an C series but then i thought about how useful they really are
18:09.13siriusnovaand i might just get a THinkpad X series
18:09.37GStepperdo you thikn 2007 will a new Zaurus ?
18:09.49Greg2bbl
18:09.52siriusnovamaybe
18:10.03joshinI was debating between a C-series and a PepperPad3 and went with the PP3 since I don't trust Sharp to not screw Zaurus users again.
18:10.19siriusnovaget a sony ux180p
18:10.22siriusnovai saw one the other day
18:10.24siriusnovawas really nice hehehe
18:10.53siriusnovaalso there is the problem of support with the c series, if anything goes wrong you have to send it to japan and deal with the obnoxious customer service
18:11.15GSteppermine is working fine ....
18:11.19siriusnovayeah i know
18:11.24GSteppergenerally they work fine
18:11.24siriusnovabut what if it breaks or something happens
18:11.34GStepper:'(
18:11.48GStepperthat's why I took a SL C 1000
18:12.44GStepperI thought It would be less "fragile" than a Z w/ HD
18:13.15GStepperbut sometimes I wish I had enough money for a 3200...
18:13.18siriusnovayeah
18:25.15hvontres|poodleGreg2: I don't have a pxa-255 myself, but I remember using one of the "special" 2.4 kernels once and it was way faster
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18:34.45Greg2hvontres|poodle: i don't have one either... i would be cuious to know what CoreDump is getting with a pxa255 with dhrystone v2.1 using 2.6.xx
18:35.49hvontres|poodleGreg2 : he should be on later :)
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18:36.35hvontres|poodleGreg2: how is that updated konq-e working for you?
18:36.46Greg2great
18:37.16hvontres|poodleGreg2 : so the other apps don't mind haveing the qt-mt libs?
18:37.45Greg2not that i have found/use
18:56.23Greg2hvontres|poodle: has the qt-mt libs been a problem for you or others with opie? I can not find anything that does not work on 'my' poodle-build 10-11-06 with them installed?
18:57.21hvontres|poodleGreg2: I have not installed them yet. I was going to see if anybody had issues.
18:57.31Greg2ok
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19:22.12Greg2CoreDump|afk: ping
19:22.38Greg2CoreDump|afk: as per this thread and more specifically this post:
19:22.38Greg2http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=21795&view=findpost&p=145507
19:22.52Greg2will you be pushing your changes into OE? If so, as what (dev., hentges?)... so that we   can 'try' to help?
19:23.21Greg2see ya later
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21:22.49Laibschhrw|gone: Do you still have a version of opie-image-3.5.4.1-collie.rootfs.tar.gz floating around?  I need this for verification purposes.
21:22.51pebHi .-) I just got my C3200 yesterday ... neat toy after my previous c860
21:28.41GStepperI've seen that Sharp have really nice Zaurus like PDA/Phone with Win CE on it are there any plan to port OZ on those beauty machines ?
21:36.54pebhi gstepper, which models are you talking about?
21:37.12GStepperok wait a sec  ;)
21:41.19GStepperpeb:http://www.willcom-inc.com/ja/lineup/ws/004sh/index.html (one of those)
21:41.44GStepperI know they have several model really close to Zaurus (PXA270 based)
21:42.04GStepperbut van't find a very good link where I could c them all  :(
21:44.44peblooks like the milo, slightly different case ...
21:44.55GSteppernice isn't it ?
21:45.07GStepperbut sadly their not linux based   :(
21:45.52pebthat's for me one of the killer arguments. I'll be able to change the OS to do the things I think are essential -- and to be able to expand it the way I like to.
21:45.57GStepperjust like the zaurus they got real keyboard, lage touch screen, phone capabilities... I like that
21:46.36GStepperYes I agree, that's why I asked if someone worked on it ....
21:48.31Greg2bbl
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22:24.36pebthat's for me one of the killer arguments. I'll be able to change the OS to do the things I think are essential -- and to be able to expand it the way I like to.
22:41.17CoreDump|homehi
22:41.39pebhi CoreDump
22:41.39GStepperhi
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22:45.26summatusmentishow exactly do loop images work? I'm trying to decide between new 1000 + 4GB sd, or used 3100
22:45.59CoreDump|homesummatusmentis: I would go for the 3100 =) Nothing can beat an HDD
22:46.12summatusmentiswhy?
22:46.25GSteppermy akita works fine ....
22:46.34summatusmentisI mean, how is an HDD > SD?
22:46.37CoreDump|homefor one you have 4Gb built in in addition to free SD an CF slots
22:46.49GSteppersure .....
22:47.39summatusmentisCoreDump|home, sdio isn't working yet?
22:47.52CoreDump|homesummatusmentis: not to my knowledge no.
22:48.05summatusmentishrm, ok
22:48.47summatusmentisthe 3100 works out to be approx. $30 more expensive, through conics.net
22:48.50GStepperhope 2007 will the birth of a new Z model ....
22:49.36CoreDump|homeGStepper: let's hope for something *really* new. Not just another SL-C3x00 w/ a bigger MD
22:49.53GStepperright
22:49.59summatusmentisheh, watch, as soon as I get this, 3 months later, it'll be a new one
22:50.13CoreDump|homeI want built-in Bluetooth and WLAN dammit
22:50.19CoreDump|homesummatusmentis: =)
22:50.24GSteppersure
22:50.47summatusmentisCoreDump|home, even just wlan
22:50.59GStepperwifi and ethernet for me ... and a 10Go HD with 800*600 touch screen... :p
22:51.01CoreDump|homesummatusmentis: right
22:51.30summatusmentisand then my gadgetwhore-ness would kick in... and I'd feel terrible because I wouldn't be able to afford the new one
22:51.31CoreDump|homeGStepper: get a Nokia V770 for the 800x600 TS ;)
22:51.48GStepperI prefer Zaurii ....
22:51.56GStepperbut the nokia is fine too
22:52.04GStepperi mean not bad ...... ;)
22:52.15CoreDump|homeGStepper: I've only seen pics, but yeah. Looks at least interesting
22:52.33GStepperI saw one running in an airport .... nice
22:52.54GStepperbut I love clamshells look and keyboard :p
22:53.00CoreDump|homeme too
22:53.26GStepperBTW the new Z model would run a 2.6 based linux ....
22:53.31CoreDump|homebut today is poodle time ;)
22:53.41CoreDump|homeGStepper: I damn well hope so.
22:53.42GStepperyou have an akita CoreDump ?
22:53.47CoreDump|homeyes
22:53.58CoreDump|homeAkita, Poodle and Collie ATM
22:54.02summatusmentis~akita
22:54.12ibotakita is probably the Sharp SL-C1000, or a dog
22:54.12GStepperhe nice collection   ;)
22:54.18GStepperlol
22:54.25CoreDump|homeAkita and Poodle were donated ;)
22:54.46GStepperSome are lucky but I won't name them ... ;)
22:55.04GStepperI only have Akita but I'm so happy with it ....
22:55.13CoreDump|homeGStepper: Akita = Luck, Poodle = mostly work
22:55.17GStepperAs nice as I dreamt about
22:55.26GStepperok
22:55.42GStepperI waited for that time since C750 ....
22:55.45CoreDump|homeGStepper: SL-Cxx00 rocks. Bad-ass screen, great keyboard etc etc
22:55.58GStepperSure !
22:56.13CoreDump|homegod I hate updater.sh :(
22:56.19GStepperlol
22:56.23GStepperwhy ?
22:56.40hvontres|poodleCoreDump|home: is the SL_Cxx00 screen much bigger than a C-xxx?
22:56.53GStepperAkita = Black beauty  (also the name of a mervellous Jimi Hendrix guitar)
22:56.56CoreDump|homeGStepper: http://rafb.net/paste/results/8S2W9W56.html
22:57.18CoreDump|homehvontres|poodle: they have identical screens to my knowledge
22:57.48GStepperhvontres|poodle:yes normally the same screen
22:58.50hvontres|poodle# One updater.sh to rule them all
22:58.59hvontres|poodleand in darkness bind them ????
22:59.00GStepperCoreDump|home:I'm not a shell script guru ....
22:59.13summatusmentisGStepper, language: C++
22:59.31GStepperlol
22:59.37pebCoredump, do you have a link handy if you (me) want to recompile GPE programs for Spitz? (Dev-Environment)?
23:00.07GSteppersummatusmentis: C++ ?
23:00.30summatusmentisthat's what it said... hold on
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23:02.19summatusmentisGStepper, nope, I'm wrong, as is the label thing at the top
23:02.24GStepperok i just didn't know C++ contains reserved word like esac, fi, rm .....
23:02.50GStepper!#bin/sh is usaully enough to know what's inside ... :p
23:02.54CoreDump|homepeb: openembedded.org, check the gettingstarted wiki. Or maybe ask in #gpe
23:03.04summatusmentisGStepper, you win
23:03.06pebCoredump, thanks!
23:03.15CoreDump|homenp
23:03.24GSteppersummatusmentis:we won as we find the thing ;)
23:03.28CoreDump|homehvontres|poodle: insider joke from hrw =)
23:03.51GStepperdoes he like pokemon ? :)
23:04.00hvontres|poodleCoreDump|home: maybe we should get him some LOTR stuff for Xmas :)
23:04.01CoreDump|homeheh
23:04.13GStepperlol
23:04.32CoreDump|homehrw|gone: I'm tempted the trash the blasted updater.sh and rewrite it from scratch :\
23:05.08GStepperYou tested it and it doesn't work ?
23:05.29CoreDump|homeworse
23:05.39CoreDump|homeI have to hack it to do my bidding
23:06.00CoreDump|homeand when I look at it, rewriting would probably faster than fixing the SHARP mess
23:06.48summatusmentisbum deal, no 3100s on ebay
23:07.36Greg2hi CoreDump|home
23:07.39GStepperI'll never understand Sharp's policy to not sell the Zs worldwide .....
23:07.46CoreDump|homehi Greg2
23:07.57GStepperI'm sure they lost money .... (well I think)
23:08.34CoreDump|homeGreg2: the changes are very small. A on-liner in poodles machine.conf and a new updater.sh
23:09.31Greg2CoreDump|home: are they in dev. ?
23:09.42summatusmentisGStepper, yeah, I agree
23:09.57summatusmentisif I could swing it, I'd get a 6000, but that's not happening
23:10.01CoreDump|homeGreg2: not yet as updater.sh is not yet finished
23:10.26CoreDump|homeGreg2: also commiting that would break normal Poodle builds completly
23:10.47Greg2CoreDump|home: how can I help?
23:12.21CoreDump|homeThe conversion to an SD rootfs should not be too much of a problem. However, Poodle could use some work on the GPE front. Last time I checked, not even the hotkeys were assigned
23:15.30summatusmentis~poodle
23:15.33ibot[poodle] sl-5600/b500, or a dog
23:15.33hvontres|poodleCoreDump|home : I talked to XorA|gone this morning and I might take a stab at getting opie-qss to work with alsa volume
23:15.34Greg2CoreDump|home: i have a faster connection now... i was hopeing to help with opie... but I'll try :)
23:16.04CoreDump|homehvontres|poodle: that would be most welcome =)
23:16.21Greg2K :)
23:17.34hvontres|poodleCoreDump|home : yeah, in theory all thats needed is remapping the Volume to ogain. I tried it with setmixer and it works :)
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23:21.15hvontres|poodleCoreDump|home : I also have a fix for the keymap that makes "ok" work in opie. Should I post it to the bugtracker?
23:21.28CoreDump|homehvontres|poodle: please do so
23:31.52hvontres|poodleCoreDump|home : done : http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1552
23:32.56CoreDump|homehmmmmm
23:33.13CoreDump|homenow what was the trick to boot the "flasher" OS on poodle again?
23:33.37Greg2?
23:34.16CoreDump|homethe mini OS used to flash the device
23:34.18hvontres|poodleCoreDump|home : hard reset, plug in AC, hold down OK and press Cancel
23:34.29CoreDump|homehvontres|poodle: nahhh =)
23:35.19hvontres|poodleohh, you mean to boot the the recue os? I think its hidden in diagnostics..
23:35.31hvontres|poodleCoreDump|home : cheater :)
23:36.44CoreDump|home+mhentges@oe-poodle:..mages/3.5.4.2-rc2/poodle >ll updater.sh
23:36.44CoreDump|home-rwxr-xr-x 1 mhentges mhentges 19 Nov  4 00:35 updater.sh
23:36.47CoreDump|homemuhahaha
23:38.06hvontres|poodleCoreDump|home : it took you a whole block to wire #!/bin/sh?
23:38.36CoreDump|homeactually it's #!/bin/sh \ /bin/sh
23:38.47Greg2heh
23:38.58hvontres|poodleohhhh.. ahhhh...ehhhh thats great :)
23:39.56CoreDump|homegot a shell prompt =D
23:41.01hvontres|poodlewhat kernel is it running now?
23:43.14CoreDump|home2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix
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23:45.42sirius|pdagi
23:45.45sirius|pdahi
23:45.53GStepperhi
23:46.03sirius|pdawhats going on?
23:47.09CoreDump|homehi sirius|collie
23:47.29sirius|colliehi
23:47.49Greg2CoreDump|home: can/would you run a dhrystone on your 255?
23:48.24CoreDump|homeGreg2: umm sure. how?
23:48.49Greg2CoreDump|home: can I email it to you?
23:49.11CoreDump|homeGreg2: oe (AT) hentges (DOT) net
23:49.17Greg2k
23:49.27sirius|colliehey you guys know how to run gpe and opie at the same time?
23:50.46CoreDump|homesirius|collie: this would be barely useable
23:51.12sirius|colliewhat about opie and gpe, like switch between them
23:51.50sirius|colliebecause i want to run a few x apps but not switch to gpe entirely... stuff like dillo etc..
23:52.57CoreDump|homesirius|collie: Opie+GPE = slow. *really* slow. Also it usually breaks auto-dimm of the display and auto-suspend
23:53.33sirius|collieCoredump - what about separtely
23:53.34hvontres|poodletime to go home. see y'all later :)
23:53.50CoreDump|homelater hvontres|poodle
23:53.58CoreDump|homesirius|collie: that would work yes
23:54.07sirius|collielike run x11 server when i need to
23:54.12CoreDump|homethere is a how somewhere on how to do that IIRC
23:54.21CoreDump|homes/how/howto
23:54.28sirius|colliehmmm k
23:54.35sirius|colliewhat about xqt2
23:54.57CoreDump|homenever used xqt sorry
23:58.55sirius|collieCoreDunp|home what do you use gpe or opie?

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