| 00:00.52 | hrw | I need to fix html... |
| 00:01.50 | summatusmentis | new OZ website? |
| 00:03.16 | hrw | new look and small cleaning |
| 00:03.25 | hrw | and better hosting |
| 00:04.12 | summatusmentis | has the look changed very recently? |
| 00:04.39 | hrw | ~1h |
| 00:04.49 | hrw | but its not openzaurus.org yet |
| 00:05.04 | summatusmentis | ah |
| 00:05.25 | summatusmentis | I'd be willing to do web updating, if you wat |
| 00:05.34 | wayne | hooray for new hosting! :) |
| 00:05.46 | summatusmentis | want** I don't think I'm skilled enough to help w/ coding, but.. |
| 00:06.57 | hrw | http://openzaurus.linuxtogo.org/wordpress/ it is not yet finished |
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| 00:32.12 | summatusmentis | hrw, does OZ need someone to be a 'web maintainer'? |
| 00:34.33 | hrw | since I disabled comments nearly no maintaince for website is needed |
| 00:36.04 | summatusmentis | ah, ok |
| 00:45.49 | hrw | it needs 'box' on right with current releases.. |
| 00:54.22 | hrw | summatusmentis: does releases info looks ok? |
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| 01:11.05 | jubei | does anyone know what a flashing power led on a c3200 means |
| 01:12.02 | hrw | power? |
| 01:12.29 | hrw | not 'mail/alarm' one? |
| 01:13.24 | jubei | no, power |
| 01:13.47 | jubei | it met with some liquid and doesnt turn on anymore, but it still seems to flash |
| 01:13.48 | hrw | no idea |
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| 01:20.50 | hrw | ~spell unesecesary |
| 01:26.09 | hrw | 2cu |
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| 01:45.37 | summatusmentis | hrw|gone, on the new one? |
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| 15:05.04 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 15:08.58 | ethyr2000 | hello all |
| 15:14.02 | ethyr2000 | whick filesystem does oz use on the Nand? |
| 15:14.35 | ethyr2000 | which even...lol? |
| 15:14.56 | CoreDump|home | that would be jffs2 |
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| 15:20.21 | ethyr2000` | has anyone tried akita vs spitz installs on the 3100/3200? |
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| 16:51.53 | summatusmentis | would it be even remotely possible to use beryl on the Z? |
| 16:52.02 | hrw|work | no |
| 16:52.43 | summatusmentis | because of video drivers? |
| 16:52.52 | hrw|work | beryl NEED opengl |
| 16:53.03 | summatusmentis | oh, duh |
| 16:53.12 | summatusmentis | makes sense |
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| 19:22.23 | balle | hi |
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| 21:10.34 | ethyr2000 | hello all |
| 21:11.11 | summatusmentis | hey there ethyr2000 |
| 21:11.30 | ethyr2000 | hi summatusmentis |
| 21:11.47 | ethyr2000 | I've got a 3200.. which z do you have |
| 21:12.43 | summatusmentis | 5500 |
| 21:12.46 | ethyr2000 | I've gone from sharp to cacko.. looking at pdaXrom, openzaurus, and angstrom |
| 21:12.59 | summatusmentis | I'm going to upgrade to a 1000 w/in the month |
| 21:13.18 | summatusmentis | as far as I know, angstrom is still beta(or less) |
| 21:15.20 | CoreDump|home | I don't think there would be any point to install angstom on a Z if you do not indent to develop on angstrom |
| 21:15.41 | summatusmentis | not yet anyway |
| 21:15.52 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
| 21:16.02 | summatusmentis | angstrom is oz++++ right? |
| 21:17.09 | CoreDump|home | not really. It is a completely new distro |
| 21:17.40 | summatusmentis | I haven't really found a homepage for it...am I not looking hard enough? |
| 21:19.05 | summatusmentis | ethyr2000, since I have a 5500, I haven't tried pdaXrom, but OZ is nice |
| 21:19.11 | summatusmentis | very nice, way better than sharp |
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| 21:21.03 | mimecar | hi |
| 21:21.10 | ethyr2000` | sorry summatusmentis .. got disconnected.. |
| 21:21.13 | ethyr2000` | hello mimecar |
| 21:21.50 | ethyr2000` | I was just telling summatusmentis that I was looking into pdaxrom, oz, and angstrom.. trying to figure out which one to try next. |
| 21:22.09 | mimecar | openzaurus have two desktop: opie and gpe |
| 21:22.17 | summatusmentis | like I said, I've never tried pdaxrom, but I really like oz |
| 21:22.25 | mimecar | summatusmentis: cx00 ? |
| 21:22.31 | summatusmentis | 5500 |
| 21:22.43 | mimecar | then, openzaurus only |
| 21:22.45 | ethyr2000` | c3200 here |
| 21:22.58 | mimecar | wrong nick :P |
| 21:23.14 | mimecar | summatusmentis: you won't be able to run pdaxrom on collie |
| 21:23.28 | summatusmentis | from my understanding, opie is better for 'pda' functionality, but if you want 'mini computer' functionality, gpe is the way to go |
| 21:23.38 | ethyr2000` | the more I use it the more I want to maximize performance.. |
| 21:23.41 | mimecar | that's true |
| 21:23.41 | summatusmentis | mimecar, I know, I think I tried once :-P |
| 21:23.59 | mimecar | gpe runs ok on collie :) |
| 21:24.09 | mimecar | you can choose the desktop you want |
| 21:24.41 | ethyr2000` | I'm leaning to x because I am familiar with linux |
| 21:24.53 | summatusmentis | yeah, it's decent, but the screen is too small |
| 21:24.58 | ethyr2000` | <-- fvwm sounds nice |
| 21:25.08 | mimecar | c3200 is another world |
| 21:25.12 | mimecar | vs collie of course ;) |
| 21:25.21 | summatusmentis | kantlivelong(isn't here right now) has fluxbox running on his 5600 |
| 21:25.40 | mimecar | with a good velocity ? |
| 21:25.42 | ethyr2000` | summatusmentis said he's looking at an akita |
| 21:25.56 | summatusmentis | mimecar, velocity? what do you mean? |
| 21:26.07 | mimecar | you cant run firefox on collie |
| 21:26.08 | summatusmentis | ethyr2000, yeah, within the month, I'll be upgrading |
| 21:26.12 | mimecar | but is very slow |
| 21:26.16 | summatusmentis | you can, it just sucks |
| 21:26.34 | summatusmentis | again, screen size becomes an issue, and it is extremely slow |
| 21:26.47 | ethyr2000` | right now I've got firefox on QTXrom and it's slow |
| 21:27.07 | mimecar | is qtxrom and hybrid, isn't it ? |
| 21:27.33 | ethyr2000` | Cacko w/ the newer pdaQTXrom |
| 21:27.36 | summatusmentis | there is a way to run X under opie, but it's not native... |
| 21:27.54 | ethyr2000` | that's the way.. |
| 21:28.08 | ethyr2000` | it's ok.. but start up is SSSSLLLLLOOOOOWWWWW |
| 21:28.26 | summatusmentis | mimecar, were you asking about the speed of fluxbox? |
| 21:28.33 | ethyr2000` | takes a few minutes just to get X up |
| 21:28.47 | mimecar | I don't |
| 21:29.09 | mimecar | i cant add another rom for my collie, only OZ anc cacko |
| 21:29.41 | summatusmentis | right |
| 21:29.55 | summatusmentis | kantlivelong has fluxbox running on top of a bootstrap OZ image |
| 21:29.59 | ethyr2000` | do they have 2.6 kernels for either of your models? |
| 21:30.19 | summatusmentis | not mine |
| 21:30.36 | summatusmentis | everything but the 5500 uses the 2.6 series |
| 21:30.50 | summatusmentis | oh and maybe the 6000, but I think that's got 2.6 also |
| 21:30.55 | mimecar | 5500 use 2.4 |
| 21:31.06 | mimecar | there's a problem with the SD driver |
| 21:31.13 | summatusmentis | right |
| 21:31.15 | ethyr2000` | hmmmm.. |
| 21:31.33 | summatusmentis | binary only(from original sharp kernel) |
| 21:31.44 | ethyr2000` | has anyone measured the performance increases? |
| 21:31.55 | ethyr2000` | between 2.4 and 2.6? |
| 21:32.04 | mimecar | I don't |
| 21:32.44 | ethyr2000` | I hear comments that it's faster, but haven't seen any hard data.. |
| 21:33.40 | summatusmentis | yeah, I don't know |
| 21:34.01 | ethyr2000` | I've also heard pdaxrom, oz, and (eventually) angstrom are faster because they are compiled specifically for the later cpu's of the Cxx00 series |
| 21:34.28 | summatusmentis | iirc, OZ compiles all images for specific models |
| 21:35.10 | ethyr2000` | as does Angstrom, because they are source builds. |
| 21:35.25 | summatusmentis | oh |
| 21:35.37 | summatusmentis | I may have just made that up though |
| 21:35.44 | ethyr2000` | both use openembedded |
| 21:35.53 | summatusmentis | right |
| 21:36.35 | summatusmentis | I like gpe as a whole, it's just hard to use on a 5500 |
| 21:36.38 | ethyr2000` | openembedded and bitbake does similar to gentoo's portage.. so everything is built custom from source |
| 21:36.57 | summatusmentis | right, if I understand that correctly |
| 21:36.58 | mimecar | summatusmentis: but is usable |
| 21:37.07 | summatusmentis | I'm working on setting up a cross compile env. |
| 21:37.25 | mimecar | it's a long time task |
| 21:37.28 | summatusmentis | mimecar, mostly, assuming you don't want to do word processing, or stuff like that |
| 21:37.40 | mimecar | you have abiword on gpe |
| 21:37.47 | mimecar | but is bigger than screen :P |
| 21:38.24 | summatusmentis | right, exactly, making it hard to use |
| 21:38.29 | summatusmentis | same w/ sylpheed |
| 21:39.00 | ethyr2000` | can that be customized in the .config files? |
| 21:39.12 | summatusmentis | the size? not that I know of... |
| 21:39.17 | mimecar | you can't |
| 21:39.23 | ethyr2000` | hmmm |
| 21:39.29 | summatusmentis | those apps were originally intended for desktop resolutions |
| 21:39.40 | mimecar | when you design the program, you create a "app size" |
| 21:39.55 | summatusmentis | bear in mind however, that the cxx00 series has a screen twice the resolution of the 5500 |
| 21:40.07 | mimecar | 640x480 |
| 21:40.09 | ethyr2000` | the vga resolution really helps on the CXXXX |
| 21:40.21 | summatusmentis | so you may not run into the same issues I do |
| 21:40.23 | mimecar | but programs on gpe are ports |
| 21:40.24 | ethyr2000` | yes.. vga |
| 21:40.27 | mimecar | not adaptation |
| 21:41.48 | summatusmentis | right |
| 21:47.33 | ethyr2000` | actually I know a window manager that would be awesome for the smaller res screens |
| 21:48.50 | ethyr2000` | it's called anduin |
| 21:48.58 | mimecar | the problem is the apps |
| 21:49.03 | mimecar | not the window manager |
| 21:49.04 | ethyr2000` | and runs on x |
| 21:49.33 | ethyr2000` | I guess that's true.. if the app wont force down.. anduin actually forces the window size down to fit |
| 21:50.24 | mimecar | do it add scrollbars ? |
| 21:50.30 | mimecar | for bigger screens ? |
| 21:50.45 | ethyr2000` | I was just trying to remember that myself |
| 21:50.52 | mimecar | ok ok :) |
| 21:51.27 | ethyr2000` | the url is http://www.media.mit.edu/wearables/mithril/anduin/index.html... thanks mit..LOL |
| 21:52.31 | ethyr2000` | when do most people show up here? |
| 21:52.43 | mimecar | ??? |
| 21:52.45 | ethyr2000` | a lot seem afk |
| 21:53.02 | summatusmentis | or their around and not following this |
| 21:53.11 | ethyr2000` | true |
| 21:53.21 | mimecar | the other users of the cannel ? |
| 21:53.24 | mimecar | channel |
| 21:53.46 | ethyr2000` | yes |
| 21:53.53 | mimecar | ok |
| 21:54.20 | mimecar | I can write on english, but some times I lost the meaning of some sentences |
| 21:54.33 | summatusmentis | I'll be back momentarily |
| 21:54.56 | ethyr2000` | I'm sure when I use abbreviations it doesn't help |
| 21:55.21 | ethyr2000` | or perhaps it does with afk..LOL |
| 21:55.45 | mimecar | more or less I know some abbreviations |
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| 21:56.34 | ethyr2000` | actually what's funny is I probably would just deal how slow my z is under cacko but I have some dos games I'd like to speed up.. |
| 21:57.14 | ethyr2000` | even if I could get it to 386 performance I'd be happy.. |
| 21:57.26 | ethyr2000` | right now it's about XT level |
| 21:57.53 | ethyr2000` | although speeding up X would be REALLY helpful |
| 21:58.26 | summatusmentis | ethyr2000`, what rom are you running? |
| 21:58.57 | ethyr2000` | Cacko.. previously Sharp.. only had my z a few weeks |
| 21:59.25 | ethyr2000` | but at least I know my wifi works now..LOL |
| 21:59.28 | summatusmentis | Cacko is qt based right? |
| 21:59.45 | mimecar | yes |
| 21:59.50 | mimecar | cacko use opie |
| 21:59.50 | ethyr2000` | yes.. think of Sharp with most of the tweaks |
| 22:00.12 | summatusmentis | yeah, I'd try a native X rom, OZ/GPE or pdaXrom |
| 22:00.21 | ethyr2000` | yes.. I'm using QTXrom to run x apps |
| 22:01.18 | ethyr2000` | firefox anyway. DosBox doesn't require X.. just sdl |
| 22:01.19 | summatusmentis | what's that? did you say all of this already? |
| 22:01.38 | mimecar | I'm lost :P |
| 22:01.39 | ethyr2000` | mime was asking me about my rom.. |
| 22:01.52 | mimecar | ok |
| 22:02.59 | ethyr2000` | I was telling mimecar that X and Dosbox is too slow under my Cacko rom |
| 22:03.13 | mimecar | ok |
| 22:06.45 | summatusmentis | ah, ok |
| 22:07.20 | mimecar | you can follow the subject now :P |
| 22:08.22 | summatusmentis | yeah, sorry |
| 22:08.27 | ethyr2000` | np |
| 22:08.36 | mimecar | sorry for interrupt |
| 22:09.09 | ethyr2000` | I'm hoping a 2.6 kernel and a processor specific build will get things to a reasonable speed |
| 22:09.30 | summatusmentis | I assume you want to stay w/ qt? |
| 22:09.32 | ethyr2000` | I'm hoping I can get dosbox to 386 performace.. |
| 22:09.46 | ethyr2000` | not particularly |
| 22:10.02 | ethyr2000` | I just got my z 3 weeks ago.. and I'm still exploring the roms |
| 22:10.31 | ethyr2000` | I thought I'd take some time with Sharp and Cacko just to get some fair experience with them |
| 22:10.39 | summatusmentis | ah, so unless I'm completely confused, I stand by my previous statement, try a native X rom |
| 22:10.42 | mimecar | you should it |
| 22:10.51 | mimecar | first, the original rom |
| 22:11.05 | mimecar | after some test, another (only if you want) |
| 22:11.58 | ethyr2000` | I'm also leaning to pdaXrom, OZ, and Angstrom because of cups capability |
| 22:12.18 | summatusmentis | cups printer stuff? |
| 22:12.18 | mimecar | ethyr2000`: don't try more roms |
| 22:12.31 | mimecar | learn the basic first of you will get crazy |
| 22:13.17 | summatusmentis | to a certain extent I agree, but I still say learn the basics on OZ ;-) |
| 22:13.31 | mimecar | my first month |
| 22:13.37 | mimecar | i reflash many times the zaurus |
| 22:13.49 | ethyr2000` | well I've figured out most of Sharp and Cacko.. except trying it with a madlib (some sort of code for floating point) |
| 22:14.10 | ethyr2000` | meanies zbook helped.. |
| 22:15.35 | ethyr2000` | yes.. cups printer stuff.. since the Cxx00 has a host usb.. hooking up to a printer is not out of line. |
| 22:15.57 | summatusmentis | true, I didn't think about htat |
| 22:16.02 | summatusmentis | s/htat/that |
| 22:17.09 | ethyr2000` | actually since the 6000 I've kept an eye out on the Z because of the host usb |
| 22:18.22 | summatusmentis | yeah, I kind of forget about that |
| 22:21.10 | ethyr2000` | well.. I've got painting to do.. too nice of a day to not get work done. |
| 22:21.25 | mimecar | night all |
| 22:21.32 | ethyr2000` | it was nice meeting you |
| 22:21.54 | mimecar | I can enter all the nights |
| 22:22.04 | mimecar | bye |
| 22:22.48 | summatusmentis | I've gotta go, I'll be back later |
| 23:25.46 | Luke-Jr | can OZ handle SDHC? |
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