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| 01:45.08 | agaffney | Luke-Jr: depends on the model. the collie (5500) likely can't |
| 01:45.36 | agaffney | although, I can't say for sure that newer models definitely do |
| 01:49.04 | Luke-Jr | hm |
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| 03:22.57 | ethyr2000 | hello anyone awake here? |
| 03:25.31 | flux | yes |
| 03:26.04 | ethyr2000 | how are you flux? |
| 03:26.21 | ethyr2000 | I just got a 3200 a few weeks ago .. |
| 03:26.22 | flux | sleepy, but fine, thx |
| 03:26.49 | ethyr2000 | I've checked out sharp and cacko.. just trying to get info before I break into pdaxrom, OZ, and angstrom |
| 03:27.07 | ethyr2000 | which model do you use? |
| 03:27.18 | flux | 3100 |
| 03:27.46 | ethyr2000 | using the 2.6 kernel? |
| 03:28.37 | ethyr2000 | are you using the 2.6 kernel? |
| 03:28.45 | flux | y |
| 03:29.06 | ethyr2000 | have you noticed any performance improvements from 2.6 over 2.4? |
| 03:29.21 | flux | don't remember |
| 03:29.35 | flux | certainly |
| 03:30.30 | ethyr2000 | have you ever thought of trying the akita base instead of the spitz install? |
| 03:30.54 | flux | no |
| 03:32.08 | ethyr2000 | the only reason I bring that up.. is OZ spitz install loads from the hard drive. pdaXrom treats 3100/3200 like a 1000. They get faster power ups and start ups that way. |
| 03:33.17 | flux | i never shutdown |
| 03:33.36 | ethyr2000 | you never suspend? |
| 03:33.46 | flux | and a diff of about 1/2sec after a closing the clamshell ain't a problem for me |
| 03:33.57 | flux | yes, i suspend ^^ |
| 03:35.01 | ethyr2000 | I see |
| 03:36.40 | ethyr2000 | do you use dosbox? |
| 03:36.49 | flux | no, what is ? |
| 03:37.05 | ethyr2000 | it's a dos emulator for dos games. |
| 03:37.15 | ethyr2000 | under linux |
| 03:37.32 | flux | ok |
| 03:39.40 | ethyr2000 | did you find the setup of the openembedded build environment difficult? |
| 03:43.06 | ethyr2000 | thanks for the input |
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| 16:06.56 | peb | hi guys .. |
| 16:07.35 | peb | Terrier w/ OZ 3.5.4.1 + GPE: does anyone have sylpheed running smoothly? |
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| 16:31.11 | ethyr2000 | hello all |
| 16:31.20 | peb | hi ethyr2000 |
| 16:32.35 | ethyr2000 | hello peb .. what model do you use |
| 16:34.07 | peb | terrier - OZ 3.5.4.1 + gpe on it, |
| 16:34.55 | peb | you? |
| 16:37.56 | ethyr2000 | terrier... cacko - investigating OZ, Angstrom, pdaXrom |
| 16:38.22 | ethyr2000 | I'm leaning toward Angstrom or pdaXrom atm |
| 16:38.30 | peb | P< |
| 16:38.44 | peb | pdaxrom - you got it working to a productive state on terrier? |
| 16:39.18 | ethyr2000 | not yet.. I'm trying to decide what best looking at.. |
| 16:39.34 | peb | it'S my target platform, but so far didnt have luck in geting it really stable |
| 16:40.00 | ethyr2000 | have you tried beta 4 or later? |
| 16:42.42 | peb | wait .. r1, i didn't bother do grab one of the daily builds middle of last week |
| 16:43.09 | peb | pxaxrom ssems to be down, can*t verify that it was that build |
| 16:43.42 | peb | s /pxa/pda/ |
| 16:51.53 | ethyr2000 | what do you like about pdaXrom over OZ? |
| 16:52.54 | peb | x11 |
| 16:54.29 | ethyr2000 | GPE doesn't have x11? |
| 16:56.41 | peb | it has -- I'm hanging even more into the direction of wwwlpocketworkstation.org, trying to get debian natively (without putting it on the sd) onto the terrier. GP<e |
| 16:57.06 | peb | gpe is fine, but the pdaxrom looked more promising. More stble is the gpe stuff :-) |
| 16:57.16 | peb | s /wwwl/www./ |
| 16:57.53 | peb | you? |
| 16:59.16 | ethyr2000 | I'm debating between enlightenment, FVWM as my environment on X |
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| 17:00.50 | peb | why not cacko on the terrier? |
| 17:06.45 | ethyr2000 | cacko is sharp compliant based, 2.4 kernel not optimized for 3200 |
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| 17:09.03 | summatusmentis | it's generally accepted that someone can't add a microdrive to the akita internally right? |
| 17:09.19 | ethyr2000 | yes |
| 17:09.37 | summatusmentis | hrmm.... :-/ |
| 17:09.38 | ethyr2000 | that's true summatusmentis |
| 17:10.08 | summatusmentis | what's true? that it can't be done? |
| 17:10.19 | ethyr2000 | someone has but all bets are off if you do |
| 17:10.37 | summatusmentis | bum deal |
| 17:10.50 | summatusmentis | I wish I had the money for 3200 |
| 17:12.35 | ethyr2000 | in some ways the 3100 is better than the 3200 |
| 17:12.48 | summatusmentis | how so? |
| 17:12.50 | ethyr2000 | overclocking is more stable on the 3100 for some reason |
| 17:12.55 | summatusmentis | ah |
| 17:13.15 | summatusmentis | well, I don't have money for the 3100 either... you can't buy those anymore? |
| 17:16.06 | ethyr2000 | not sure |
| 17:16.15 | ethyr2000 | well I've got to go |
| 17:16.42 | ethyr2000 | have a good day |
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| 19:15.41 | mimecar | hi |
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| 19:57.02 | peb | Terrier w/ OZ 3.5.4.1 + GPE: does anyone have sylpheed running smoothly? |
| 20:09.24 | mimecar | I don't, on my 5500 program is bigger than screen |
| 20:18.21 | peb | Mimecar, on mine I see a blinking and no program start :-( |
| 20:27.15 | summatusmentis | I've got sylpheed installed on my 5500, but I don't use it... |
| 20:30.00 | peb | I normally use mutt, but have not come around to install it on the terrier. I think this is the right evening for it. |
| 20:30.42 | summatusmentis | mutt is cli? |
| 20:31.48 | peb | summatusmentis - cli? |
| 20:32.01 | summatusmentis | Command Line Interface |
| 20:32.40 | peb | no, mutt is console-based MTA, it just sucks less than other mtas .-) |
| 20:40.10 | hrw | but still sucks |
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| 20:42.05 | summatusmentis | peb, that's what I meant, console based |
| 20:46.30 | peb | :-) |
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| 21:10.42 | summatusmentis | there's nowhere to buy a new 3100 anymore is there? |
| 21:11.39 | peb | try www.tritech.de |
| 21:12.18 | peb | s /tech/soft/ |
| 21:12.38 | summatusmentis | ok, I'm thinking.."advanced chemistry?" |
| 21:13.32 | summatusmentis | no, only 1000 and 3200 |
| 21:15.29 | peb | oh - didn't notice that. It's just my normal place to get things from. |
| 21:16.01 | summatusmentis | conics.net has the 3100 used, but it's only $20 cheaper than the 3200 used.... |
| 21:16.35 | peb | you never can have enough hd space .-) |
| 21:17.07 | summatusmentis | yeah.... unless you don't have enough money, then you make do w/ a 1GB sd card :-/ |
| 21:17.17 | peb | right ... |
| 21:17.45 | peb | just bought a 1g SD card for 15 Euro on Friday :-) |
| 21:18.09 | summatusmentis | If I didn't need a new laptop, I'd get a 3200, but as it is, I'm getting a laptop and 1000 |
| 21:18.12 | CoreDump|afk | ~praise trisoft |
| 21:18.15 | ibot | All hail trisoft! |
| 21:18.51 | hrw | ~hail them |
| 21:18.52 | ibot | ACTION bows down to them and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 21:19.06 | peb | Yeah, I'm also satisfied w/ their support. |
| 21:19.24 | hrw | 802.11g cards will be available from them |
| 21:19.29 | hrw | nice, small cards |
| 21:19.51 | summatusmentis | can the Z handle g? I didn't know CF was fast enough? |
| 21:19.55 | CoreDump|home | hrw: OSS driver? |
| 21:20.08 | hrw | summatusmentis: even if it does not then you can atleast connect to g network |
| 21:20.18 | hrw | CoreDump|home: we work on it - read my blog |
| 21:20.19 | summatusmentis | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.24 | CoreDump|home | nice |
| 21:20.30 | hrw | 25 21:48 < hrw> http://www.google.com/blogsearch?q=marvell - roxx |
| 21:20.30 | hrw | 25 21:48 < hrw> http://www.google.com/search?q=marvell+cf8385 ;) |
| 21:21.27 | CoreDump|home | very nice |
| 21:21.37 | CoreDump|home | ~hail hrw & zecke ;) |
| 21:21.38 | ibot | ACTION bows down to hrw & zecke ;) and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 21:22.52 | hrw | CoreDump|home: Holger Schurig |
| 21:23.01 | hrw | not Holger Freyther |
| 21:23.08 | CoreDump|home | oh lol |
| 21:23.13 | CoreDump|home | my bad=) |
| 21:26.28 | hrw | happens |
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| 21:55.48 | peb | OK, where is the message Log on OZ? (stupid question, i know ..) |
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| 22:08.03 | mimecar | peb: have you test /var/log/messages |
| 22:08.12 | mimecar | or on the settings tab ? |
| 22:08.28 | mimecar | on opie |
| 22:09.22 | peb | Mimecar, KI |
| 22:09.42 | mimecar | KI ? |
| 22:10.02 | peb | Mimecar, Im running OZ w/ GPE, there is no messages in /var/log/ thats the problem (KI - was just a typo) |
| 22:10.23 | mimecar | you must lucn the system app |
| 22:10.32 | mimecar | wait, and I said you the correct name |
| 22:15.52 | mimecar | peb: seacrh the System info on the settings folder |
| 22:16.41 | peb | ah ... |
| 22:16.56 | mimecar | I found the zaurus charger |
| 22:17.40 | peb | which one? |
| 22:18.05 | mimecar | my zaurus have not enought battery to switch on |
| 22:18.16 | peb | I'm running out of memory during System Upgrade on a stock Terrier w/ oZ 3.5.4.1 :-( something is terribly wrong there. |
| 22:18.17 | mimecar | system's booting |
| 22:18.44 | peb | Ah ...good. Mine is also on the charger, the lan card sucks to much ac |
| 22:18.51 | mimecar | peb: have you the system on internal memory or on sd ? |
| 22:19.22 | peb | internal memory - should be stock config. Where can I change that? |
| 22:20.08 | mimecar | with some roms, such as OZ, you can move the system to the sd |
| 22:20.14 | mimecar | and obtain more space |
| 22:20.43 | mimecar | Log => Utilities, System info |
| 22:21.12 | peb | must it be fat or ext2 formated? |
| 22:21.23 | mimecar | card on fat |
| 22:21.39 | mimecar | but you create an image file (which is ext2) |
| 22:21.46 | mimecar | you should check the OZ wiki |
| 22:22.36 | peb | mimecar, thanks for the tip (rtfm i know :-) ) |
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| 22:44.21 | peb | OK, tried, but am stuck. SD is dos (vfat 16), looking into installing more applications. |
| 22:44.43 | peb | ipkg upgrade -d sd -t /media/card/tmp |
| 22:44.52 | peb | does not work, destination sd is not known :-( |
| 22:45.20 | mimecar | but ipkg upgrade will upgrade the internal mmemory |
| 22:45.29 | mimecar | then, you won't have free space |
| 22:45.42 | mimecar | the process I told you before was |
| 22:45.54 | mimecar | move (with one script) all the files to sd card |
| 22:46.13 | mimecar | then, sd image with all the system will be your new "internal memory" |
| 22:47.41 | peb | mimecar, so mv everything on ramfs and tmpfs to /dev/mmcblk0p1 ? |
| 22:48.27 | mimecar | yes, but there's a script |
| 22:48.35 | mimecar | you should not move manually |
| 22:49.07 | mimecar | on sd you create similar to an iso file |
| 22:49.19 | mimecar | after mount the file, the script copy all data to it |
| 22:49.28 | mimecar | and fix some things on internal memory |
| 22:49.37 | mimecar | then, all the system will run on the sd |
| 22:50.30 | peb | understood - Oh, i think i found it. howto and there collie/tipsAndTricks |
| 22:50.56 | mimecar | you must backup all your data |
| 22:51.09 | mimecar | you won't lost data, but it's a backup |
| 22:51.26 | peb | no data, so no problem :-) |
| 22:51.31 | mimecar | xDDD |
| 22:53.33 | peb | mimecar, is this the right link? http://wiki.openzaurus.org/Collie/TipsAndTricks |
| 22:53.39 | mimecar | somebody with a dlink 660w and gpe ? |
| 22:54.05 | mimecar | (it's a problem after upgrade OZ) |
| 22:54.33 | mimecar | peb: when you boot the system, do you get a menu ? |
| 22:54.55 | peb | altboot .. yes |
| 22:55.08 | mimecar | you can create the image file with that script |
| 22:55.17 | mimecar | without other steps |
| 22:55.24 | mimecar | you'll need free space on the sd |
| 22:56.15 | peb | 2 dont lauch |
| 22:56.22 | peb | menue: 2 |
| 22:56.28 | peb | do not launch gui? |
| 22:56.59 | mimecar | I think is the '8' menu option |
| 22:57.29 | peb | 8 - install rotfs from tar.gz .-) |
| 22:57.46 | mimecar | I don't remember now |
| 22:57.58 | peb | ah yes ... script runs :-) |
| 22:58.36 | peb | I should do this with the CF inserted instead of the lan card :-( |
| 22:59.14 | mimecar | you will need a memory card with free space |
| 22:59.38 | mimecar | I use SD, but CF should work |
| 23:00.53 | peb | I have sd with 1 gig and fat16. but the rootfs.tar.gz is not found (which as I assume should come from the cf card) |
| 23:01.15 | mimecar | I have it on the cf |
| 23:01.24 | mimecar | but i don't remember why I save to CF |
| 23:01.39 | peb | I currently had no cf inserted, had the lan card. the script fails due to missing cf :-) |
| 23:01.56 | mimecar | xDD |
| 23:02.53 | peb | 2nd try after finding a 512mb cf |
| 23:03.06 | mimecar | xDDDDDDD |
| 23:03.36 | mimecar | what model is terrier ? |
| 23:03.46 | peb | c3200 |
| 23:03.55 | mimecar | cool :) |
| 23:05.33 | peb | mimecar where do i get the rootfs.tar.gz from? |
| 23:06.53 | agaffney | the mirrors |
| 23:07.00 | agaffney | same place you get everything else |
| 23:07.19 | CoreDump|home | why would a C3x00 owner want to use a loop-file on SD as rootfs? |
| 23:08.19 | mimecar | wha'ts the memory for C3200 ? |
| 23:08.32 | peb | 128 afaik |
| 23:08.51 | CoreDump|home | more like 64Mb RAM and 4 or 6Gb HDD |
| 23:09.00 | peb | Coredump, problem is that the packagemanager dumps during installs |
| 23:09.23 | peb | I've read the bug and workarounds, but still cant install as example abiword |
| 23:09.24 | CoreDump|home | well, a root-on-sd won't help you with that |
| 23:10.53 | CoreDump|home | You might wanna try this image: http://hentges.net/tmp/snapshots/Hentges-ROM/1.0.0/20061108/spitz/ IIRC it has abiwork pre-installed |
| 23:11.20 | peb | Coredump, as always: your right 64mb ram and 128 rom |
| 23:11.22 | mimecar | I forgot the hard disk of c3200 |
| 23:11.23 | mimecar | :p |
| 23:11.48 | peb | and I see .. the c3200 got more expensive :-) 2 week ago it was nearly 60 euro cheaper :-) |
| 23:11.49 | mimecar | but you must tell the system it must install the programas on the HD, are'nt you? |
| 23:13.27 | CoreDump|home | mimecar: OZ doesn't support anything else but root-on-HDD |
| 23:14.12 | peb | CoreDump: download of snapshot is running ... |
| 23:15.26 | mimecar | CoreDump|home: ok |
| 23:17.50 | mimecar | CoreDump|home: can hentege be updated without lost the wifi card ? |
| 23:18.14 | mimecar | there was an update version of wifi controllers make my wifi card stop work |
| 23:18.44 | CoreDump|home | mimecar: no clue. Hentges uses very recent package versions |
| 23:20.54 | CoreDump|home | discussion of the snapshot is here: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=21795&st=105 |
| 23:21.18 | CoreDump|home | running "dist-upgrade" will update the distribution |
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| 23:28.18 | peb | CoreDump: snapshot install in progress ... |
| 23:29.09 | summatusmentis | is there a way to take my current install(on /) + packages installed to sd, and make a loop image out of it? |
| 23:29.38 | mimecar | yes |
| 23:29.51 | mimecar | more or less |
| 23:29.58 | mimecar | packages on sd is a problem |
| 23:31.15 | summatusmentis | meaning I can't keep those? I'd have to reinstall/ |
| 23:31.26 | mimecar | I think so |
| 23:31.43 | mimecar | I don't know the answer :( |
| 23:31.48 | summatusmentis | hrm... how do I make a loop image? |
| 23:32.13 | mimecar | have you read the OZ wiki ? |
| 23:32.25 | summatusmentis | yeah, a while ago |
| 23:42.24 | mimecar | night all |