| 00:00.06 | JustinP | Encelo: you have to use ext2. Either native or on a loopback image |
| 00:00.21 | Encelo | yes, I use a loopback ext2 image |
| 00:00.30 | Encelo | on a fat formatted card |
| 00:00.42 | kolla | JustinP: hm, ok.. last time I tried, it didnt support keyboard and stylus either :) |
| 00:01.52 | Encelo | CoreDump|home: I installed billions of time |
| 00:02.09 | kolla | maybe the SD card is worn out then :) |
| 00:02.25 | JustinP | kolla: there was an rc for it...rc2 I think. But no SD makes for a pitiful little device.....unless you're using it for a minimum of functions |
| 00:02.27 | Encelo | CoreDump|home: this time I didn't create an image either, I just copied the ext2 image from the site |
| 00:02.33 | Encelo | kolla: it's brand new |
| 00:02.35 | CoreDump|home | Encelo: maybe Collie does not liker your SD card |
| 00:02.45 | Encelo | CoreDump|home: noooooooo :( |
| 00:02.50 | CoreDump|home | wouldn't be the first time :\ |
| 00:03.03 | kolla | Encelo: it was a joke, not sure if SD cards can handle a billion overwrites :) |
| 00:03.13 | CoreDump|home | yet another reason why I _really_ want to see an SD driver for kernel 2.6/collie |
| 00:03.39 | kolla | JustinP: yes, tested those.. and without SD, but with 6GB+ CF it's quite ok |
| 00:04.04 | kolla | now I see there are affordable 8GB CF cards |
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| 00:05.54 | Encelo | so, guys, no remedies for my situation :( |
| 00:06.11 | Encelo | I cannot afford ANOTHER sd card... |
| 00:06.20 | Encelo | I've just trashed 30€ :( |
| 00:06.33 | Encelo | what a pain |
| 00:09.00 | Encelo | I will try with dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc1... |
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| 00:41.07 | Encelo | nothing |
| 00:41.10 | Encelo | it's the same |
| 00:41.35 | Encelo | there's a problem with the infrared demon which cannot be executed, then id S and 1 respawning error, then nothing |
| 00:41.59 | Encelo | these messages got printed after a very long time in which the screen stay blank with a flashing cursor |
| 00:46.30 | mhentges | Encelo: doesn't sound good |
| 00:48.00 | Encelo | yes, not at all |
| 00:48.55 | Encelo | I'm beginnig to think that, as you said, my collie doesn't like my card too much... |
| 00:50.35 | Encelo | what if I try to format the card directly in ext2? less or more chance of compatibility? |
| 00:50.59 | mhentges | you could try that |
| 00:51.46 | Encelo | but what about altboot then? |
| 00:51.59 | Encelo | how to set it in order to load directly from the ext2 fs? |
| 00:54.06 | CoreDump|home | no difference there, just select Boot from SD as usual, altboot will do the rest |
| 00:54.11 | summatusmentis | CoreDump|home, you do the hentges rom? |
| 00:54.18 | CoreDump|home | summatusmentis: yes |
| 00:55.03 | summatusmentis | not to be inept sounding, maybe I missed it on your site, does does hetges provide loop images? |
| 00:55.09 | summatusmentis | or would I need to make them? |
| 00:56.14 | CoreDump|home | it provides pre-created loop-images as well as tarballs to create your own |
| 00:56.44 | summatusmentis | cool, thanks! |
| 00:57.37 | CoreDump|home | np |
| 00:57.44 | summatusmentis | instructions for flashing and all of that as well? |
| 00:59.09 | CoreDump|home | if you are not on poodle, the instructions are identical to OZ |
| 00:59.24 | summatusmentis | ok, cool |
| 01:03.14 | Encelo | mmm, no boot -images found |
| 01:03.20 | Encelo | I'm running option 3 |
| 01:07.24 | summatusmentis | what fs does the sd card need to be for a loop image... |
| 01:07.32 | summatusmentis | s/.../? |
| 01:09.15 | CoreDump|home | summatusmentis: in theory both VFAT and ext2 are fine |
| 01:09.18 | summatusmentis | in practice? |
| 01:09.28 | CoreDump|home | never tried a loop-image off vfat =) |
| 01:09.40 | summatusmentis | ah |
| 01:12.50 | summatusmentis | what are the loop images called? |
| 01:20.37 | CoreDump|home | .ext2 |
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| 01:57.19 | summatusmentis | I should just be able to put a loop image on sd, and use altboot? |
| 01:57.35 | agaffney | if the loop image is in the appropriate dir and named appropriately |
| 01:58.22 | summatusmentis | what's the appropriate name? what dir does it need to be in? |
| 02:00.32 | agaffney | don't recall off the top of my head |
| 02:00.41 | agaffney | it's in one of the wikis somewhere :P |
| 02:01.00 | summatusmentis | heh...ok |
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| 02:04.14 | CoreDump|home | summatusmentis: http://blog.hentges.net/?page_id=54 |
| 02:04.44 | agaffney | that would indeed be it :) |
| 02:05.35 | summatusmentis | thanks CoreDump|home |
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| 02:37.58 | summatusmentis | I'm sorry, my X restarted, what was the ending on the loop image? |
| 02:45.17 | agaffney | -rootfs.bin |
| 02:47.21 | summatusmentis | and I should just be able to choose boot from SD in altboot? |
| 02:50.54 | summatusmentis | it didn't boot, I got dropped into a console, can't shut down.... |
| 03:03.48 | CoreDump|home | summatusmentis: what's the error that dropped you into the console? |
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| 04:02.25 | summatusmentis | CoreDump|home, sorry, I was doing something w/ my parents, I don't remember the exact error, but it couldn't find a bootable file |
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| 04:25.10 | CoreDump|home | ~seen mhentges |
| 04:25.39 | ibot | mhentges <n=mhentges@hentges.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 3h 34m 40s ago, saying: 'you could try that'. |
| 04:25.47 | cdbot2 | CoreDump|home, I don't remember seeing mhentges. |
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| 04:27.43 | CoreDump|home | ~seen mhentges |
| 04:27.54 | ibot | mhentges <n=mhentges@hentges.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 3h 36m 55s ago, saying: 'you could try that'. |
| 04:28.54 | summatusmentis | CoreDump|home, are you working on something? |
| 04:29.08 | CoreDump|home | on cdbot2, yes |
| 04:29.59 | summatusmentis | oh, I gathered that, I guess I meant are you busy |
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| 04:30.27 | CoreDump|home | not so much busy as tired =) |
| 04:31.17 | summatusmentis | ah, I tried one of the OZ loop images, just to see if I could get it working before I borked my flash install, and altboot told me it couldn't find a bootable file on sd |
| 04:31.38 | CoreDump|home | you didn't follow the manual then ;) |
| 04:32.07 | summatusmentis | I didn't know there was a manual... unless I just blew off a link you gave me.... :-/ |
| 04:32.07 | CoreDump|home | The altboot manual is here: http://blog.hentges.net/?page_id=50 |
| 04:37.33 | summatusmentis | ok...that worked, shoudl I be getting a bunch of errors from test mkdir mount awk grep and echo? |
| 04:38.18 | summatusmentis | and being unable to create /dev/null and /dev/tty0 |
| 04:40.34 | CoreDump|home | you shouldn't |
| 04:40.50 | summatusmentis | hrm... |
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| 05:26.20 | summatusmentis | CoreDump|afk, thanks for your help, I was worried for a minute, because it looked like opie had been installed over GPE, but all is well. |
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| 07:24.40 | peb|terrier | hi guys ... |
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| 09:46.18 | peb|terrier | Hi Laibsch |
| 09:46.38 | Laibsch | Hey peb|terrier, how is it going |
| 09:46.40 | Laibsch | ? |
| 09:47.04 | peb|terrier | good - the only problem at the Z currently is that i cant get ogg123 to run. Install terminates :-( |
| 09:47.27 | peb|terrier | and on your side? |
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| 10:04.02 | peb|terrier | hi mikesh |
| 10:04.11 | mikesh | hi |
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| 13:07.11 | peb|terrier | hi guys :-) |
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| 13:33.33 | peb|terrier | Hi Mardy |
| 13:41.46 | rw | what types of external keyboard could i use with the zaurus (5500D) and how are they usually connected? ,) |
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| 14:00.20 | lardman | rw: An IR keyboard is the easiest |
| 14:00.37 | lardman | rw: If you have a usb CF card, you could go USB |
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| 14:17.41 | rw | lardman: any ir-keyboard? |
| 14:20.59 | peb|terrier | Has anyone a running Ogg-player on the Z? |
| 14:24.25 | rw | lardman: google helped, thanks |
| 14:28.50 | lardman | rw: Sorry, didn't see your post |
| 14:29.18 | lardman | rw: I don't know specifically I'm afraid, perhaps searching on oesf might show some hits? |
| 14:33.03 | rw | lardman: looks good, thanks again ,) |
| 14:34.38 | lardman | rw: np |
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| 19:23.55 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home : The new kernel works :) |
| 19:24.44 | CoreDump|home | hvontres|poodle: excellent |
| 19:25.26 | hrw|tv | CoreDump|home: did you saw post about future of OZ? |
| 19:25.53 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home : I also compiled qte with vnc enabled. When running without an active VNC server, qpe uses 30% mem vs 22% for the old one. |
| 19:26.05 | hrw|tv | big |
| 19:26.24 | hrw|tv | 8% is ~2.5M |
| 19:26.30 | hrw|tv | on poodle |
| 19:26.32 | hvontres|poodle | hrw|tv: that is according to top.... |
| 19:26.34 | CoreDump|home | hrw|tv: nope, where is it? |
| 19:26.38 | hrw|tv | CoreDump|home: oz-devel |
| 19:28.36 | rw | why don't use 2.6 for collie? |
| 19:29.00 | hvontres|poodle | rw: collie+2.6 = no SD |
| 19:29.03 | rw | is there no hope for getting the SD-Stuff working? |
| 19:29.08 | CoreDump|home | hrw|tv: sd-boot on collie is not an option due to the sucky 2.4 SD driver :\ |
| 19:29.22 | rw | closed-source? |
| 19:29.39 | hrw|tv | CoreDump|home: sd-boot as altboot root-on-sd boot |
| 19:29.53 | hrw|tv | rw: closed docs |
| 19:30.01 | CoreDump|home | hrw|tv: the 2.4 driver doesn't like a lot of cards |
| 19:30.10 | hrw|tv | rw: and no one want to hack collie |
| 19:30.10 | rw | hrw|tv: which chip does the sd-stuff? |
| 19:30.14 | hrw|tv | rw: locomo |
| 19:30.16 | hrw|tv | ~locomo |
| 19:30.17 | ibot | locomo is, like, a completely undocumented chip in the Sharp Zaurus |
| 19:30.28 | rw | hmhm |
| 19:30.44 | raduga | rw: feel free to document it if you like :) |
| 19:30.48 | rw | what did one need to know? how the cpu speaks to the chip? |
| 19:30.51 | hrw|tv | CoreDump|home: so we will release minimal opie/gpe images (stripped down as much as possible) |
| 19:30.59 | hrw|tv | rw: how chip talk to sd/mmc |
| 19:31.04 | hvontres|poodle | hrw|tv : did intel ever publish any docs on how to hook up an SD card to the strong arm? |
| 19:31.13 | rw | hrw|tv: how to talk over the chip to sd...? |
| 19:31.14 | hrw|tv | hvontres|poodle: locomo is sharp chip |
| 19:31.20 | hrw|tv | only sharp know how it works |
| 19:31.42 | hrw|tv | hvontres|poodle: strongarm does not support sd/mmc itself - xscale does |
| 19:31.43 | rw | hmm..what about reveng the driver in 2.4? |
| 19:31.50 | raduga | hrw: assuming that sharp still knows how it works, and hasn't forgotten by now (more likely) |
| 19:31.51 | hrw|tv | rw: have time? |
| 19:32.00 | hvontres|poodle | hrw|tv : I know..but I was wondering what intel recommended as an interface. maybe sharp just copied that |
| 19:32.01 | hrw|tv | raduga: ;D |
| 19:32.05 | rw | hrw|tv: maybe |
| 19:32.16 | hrw|tv | rw: then write to oz-devel about it |
| 19:32.31 | hrw|tv | some guys did some research iirc |
| 19:33.38 | rw | hmhm |
| 19:46.17 | hvontres|poodle | rw: nwvermind...I just looked at the block diagram in the service manual...the locomo sits on the address and data bus... so it's more than just glue logic :( |
| 19:47.27 | rw | ugly |
| 19:49.33 | rw | http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/josejx/2006/09/28/sharp_zaurus_sd_mmc_driver |
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| 19:49.57 | rw | *shrug* |
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| 19:51.06 | hrw|tv | rw: so? |
| 19:52.09 | rw | looks like somebody already did the work? |
| 19:53.16 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
| 19:53.50 | hrw|tv | rw: then let someone write driver |
| 19:54.17 | hrw|tv | I know few people which started any work on sd/mmc for 2.6 - no one had time for it |
| 19:57.27 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home : What do you think of having some sort of "Rescue Mode" in flash for unborking root-on-sd installs? |
| 19:58.37 | CoreDump|home | hvontres|poodle: not too much currently since for that to work, the SD rootfs would still need to be able to launch altboot |
| 19:59.00 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home : I am going to work on a simple script for altboot to kexec a kernel from /dev/mmcblkp0/boot to see if altboot can use the flash kernel as a secondary bootloader |
| 19:59.38 | hvontres|poodle | That way kernel updates could possibly be done from ipkg as well :) |
| 20:00.16 | CoreDump|home | hvontres|poodle: that should work yes =) But it would mean two kernel boots on each boot =) |
| 20:01.26 | hvontres|poodle | CoreDump|home : true. but I think being able to update a kernel without flashing would make up for that... also,booting to the altboot prompt only takes ~30s max |
| 20:01.38 | hrw|tv | CoreDump|home: you can do also kexec on reboot |
| 20:02.00 | CoreDump|home | hmm true |
| 20:02.08 | hvontres|poodle | hrw|tv : unless you had to do a hard reset :( |
| 20:02.18 | hrw|tv | hvontres|poodle: unless |
| 20:06.09 | hvontres|poodle | hrw|tv :? |
| 20:06.30 | hrw|tv | unless you had to do a hard reset |
| 20:07.18 | hvontres|poodle | hrw|tv : great minds think alike :) |
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| 21:46.37 | mimecar | hi |
| 21:52.30 | peb|terrier | HI Mimecar |
| 21:52.41 | mimecar | evening peb|terrier |
| 21:59.44 | peb|terrier | do you have a running ogg player on your Z? |
| 22:00.01 | mimecar | i played with xmms some time ago |
| 22:00.52 | peb|terrier | ... that's an idea ... (I was looking at ogg123, but couldn't get it running) |
| 22:04.28 | peb|terrier | I like this channel -- again a hint gave the Z a new feature .-) |
| 22:06.00 | mimecar | is terrier 5600 ? |
| 22:06.21 | hrw|tv | ~terrier |
| 22:06.31 | ibot | [terrier] Sharp Zaurus SL-C3200, or a dog |
| 22:06.33 | hrw|tv | terrier - 3200 |
| 22:06.37 | mimecar | ok |
| 22:06.38 | hrw|tv | 5600 - poodle |
| 22:06.49 | mimecar | I forgot the names some times |
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| 22:11.19 | peb|terrier | Z rocks :-) Fanta4 Now on the road ... thanks to all the guys here! |
| 22:12.22 | peb|terrier | :-) and how do I now get the xmms as Icon on the desktop (peb, ducking and running .....) |
| 22:12.47 | mimecar | ipkg install xmms |
| 22:13.02 | peb|terrier | I did - but no icon :-( |
| 22:13.07 | mimecar | it will be show on opie |
| 22:13.39 | agaffney | peb|terrier: did you Reload Icons? |
| 22:13.46 | peb|terrier | found it .. reload worked :-) |
| 22:13.52 | agaffney | :P |
| 22:14.18 | mimecar | xDDD |
| 22:14.29 | mimecar | peb|terrier: you should use the windows trick: |
| 22:14.37 | mimecar | reboot, reboot, upgrade, reboot... |
| 22:15.29 | peb|terrier | Mimecar, it's Linux: Things can be solved with mutch simpler means here :-) |
| 22:15.45 | mimecar | yes: reboot the gui :P |
| 22:16.21 | peb|terrier | Mimecar, where's this entry in the Menue? START - Settings -- REBOOT GUI ?? <grin>? |
| 22:17.11 | mimecar | Settings => Shutdown => Reboot (only the gui), i don't remember the exact name |
| 22:17.41 | hrw|tv | 'restart opie' |
| 22:17.59 | peb|terrier | I'm a console gui, so init is my friend |
| 22:18.01 | mimecar | more or less |
| 22:23.05 | mimecar | night all |
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| 22:50.45 | peb|terrier | gn8 and thanks again :-) |
| 22:55.27 | summatusmentis | is it possible to only use altboot? and removed everything from the internal ROM? |
| 22:57.10 | CoreDump|home | not really, altboot needs a working base system to function |
| 22:58.23 | summatusmentis | ok....so if I wanted to use only loop images on sd, bootstrap on internal ROM might be the way to go? |
| 23:34.21 | CoreDump|home | right |
| 23:34.37 | summatusmentis | ok |
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