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03:14.36kantlivelonghey all
03:15.48summatusmentishey there kantlivelong
03:15.56kantlivelongi cant decide...
03:16.00kantlivelong\zaurus or a psp
03:16.01kantlivelongahh
03:16.25Kevin`psp is ARM?
03:16.31kantlivelong...?
03:16.42kantlivelongKevin`: nono i can either buy a psp for my bday
03:16.43kantlivelongor
03:16.51kantlivelongput the $$  towards a zaurus
03:17.18Kevin`imo a psp isn't worth it
03:17.27Kevin`unless you ONLY intend to use it for the games
03:17.28kantlivelongKevin`: i plan on softmodding it
03:18.03Kevin`it's a continous battle with sony over holes in their software
03:18.19Kevin`and you need to be running the latest software to play games
03:18.32Kevin`well, psp games
03:18.54kantlivelongKevin`: the softmodded runs 1.50 but then boots into 3.x
03:19.28Kevin`anyway, using it for any kind of text input is extremely painful
03:19.38kantlivelonghow does stuff run on the SL-C3000? like is firefox fast?
03:19.38Kevin`don't plan on using it for irc or remote admin :)
03:19.58Kevin`firefox takes a lot of memory, kinda slow
03:20.21kantlivelongsee thats a prob cuz theres no other browser
03:20.27Kevin`um
03:20.28Kevin`yes there is
03:20.32kantlivelongdillo
03:20.38kantlivelongdillo cant do half the things
03:20.42Kevin`I know
03:20.44kantlivelongand gpe-browser which i dont use gpe
03:20.55Kevin`hm I use gpe
03:21.00Kevin`i'm not sure firefox works without X
03:21.01kantlivelongi dont use opie either
03:21.11kantlivelongi use fluxbox :)
03:21.21kantlivelongon my SL-5600
03:21.28Kevin`I use fluxbox as the WM, with the gpe desktop and menus
03:21.31Kevin`on sl-c3200
03:21.40kantlivelonghmm
03:22.04kantlivelongi wish someone here had a sl-c3000 for sale
03:22.10Kevin`here?
03:22.14kantlivelongyeah
03:22.26kantlivelongi dun wanna spend alot on a site for a 3200
03:22.28Kevin`oh you mean community folk
03:22.37Kevin`how much are they on ebay
03:22.51kantlivelongwell ive yet to see a sl-c3000
03:23.02kantlivelongbut the 3100 is running for like 450\
03:23.05kantlivelongusd
03:23.17Kevin`hm you can do better then that
03:23.26kantlivelongyeah
03:23.29Kevin`even on the direct sites, new
03:23.34kantlivelongi really just want the 3000
03:23.57Kevin`I remember seeing 3000's for sale when I was deciding what to get
03:24.02Kevin`wonder why there's none now :(
03:24.07kantlivelongolder
03:24.14kantlivelongpeople want the bigger nand
03:24.16NAbyssKevin`: They're ancient now..
03:24.18kantlivelongwhich i find useless
03:24.38kantlivelongNAbyss: why are they ancient.. they only lack the bigger nand and 2gb
03:24.47Kevin`ya, i'm afraid to use the nand flash extensively lest I break it
03:24.53Kevin`if I want low power storage I use SD
03:25.12kantlivelongi dont use the nand at all
03:25.24Kevin`well the kernel is in it :)
03:25.31kantlivelongyeah just the nand
03:25.48NAbysskantlivelong: Because they haven't been produced in a while, as compared to the 3100 and 3200
03:26.02kantlivelongNAbyss: well the cheaper the better :)
03:26.09NAbysskantlivelong: They're not unfunctional by any stretch of the imagination, just not manufactured in a while, which is why they're hard to find
03:26.20kantlivelongah :P
03:26.41kantlivelongwould u guys mind helping me?
03:26.44kantlivelongused or new
03:26.45kantlivelongi dont care
03:27.01Kevin`if I had one to sell sure, but I dont
03:27.12kantlivelongi mean like helpin me find a site
03:27.30kantlivelongif u can find any 3xxx cheap i will be happy
03:28.13NAbysskantlivelong: Tried ebay?
03:28.17kantlivelongNAbyss: yep
03:28.30kantlivelongthe US site tho
03:28.53NAbysskantlivelong: Might want to expand it to foreign sellers as well, they're hard to find at the best of times
03:29.26kantlivelongwats the c1000?
03:29.42Kevin`same with 128 flash I think
03:29.47NAbyssC1000 is a C3xxx with no hdd, and 128MiB nand
03:29.48kantlivelongno hdd tho?
03:29.52kantlivelongewww
03:29.55Kevin`it has a hdd
03:30.00Kevin`oh
03:30.01Kevin`c1000
03:30.03Kevin`nm
03:30.08Kevin`i'm confused
03:30.19kantlivelongeh its cool
03:30.40kantlivelongi just want a nice zaurus :) poodle is so lacking
03:31.47Kevin`I wonder if you could find 3100 easier
03:31.57kantlivelongthats fine by me
03:32.17kantlivelongany 3xxx as long as its cheaper.. im on a tight budget this year
03:33.37summatusmentiskantlivelong, it's prob. none of my business, what're you trying to spend?
03:33.56kantlivelong$450 prolly is my max... but lower is better
03:35.24kantlivelongi just dun wanna spend so much on a "project" laptop
03:35.25kantlivelongya know
03:35.40summatusmentisconics has the 3100 used for about $25 more than that
03:35.48summatusmentisbut yeah, I see exactly where you're coming from
03:35.57Kevin`pricejapan has the 3100 for $354
03:36.02kantlivelongoh wow
03:36.17summatusmentispricejapan sells the 3100 still?
03:36.23Kevin`apparently :)
03:36.44kantlivelongKevin`: got a url?
03:36.50Kevin`http://www.pricejapan.com/front/e_good_info.php?code=31&category=5
03:37.06summatusmentisKevin`, are you sure? the 1000 is going for that much....
03:37.20Kevin`summatusmentis it's on the site
03:37.27summatusmentisyeah, and I'm not seeing it
03:37.43kantlivelongKevin`: thats the c1000
03:37.50summatusmentisyeah, ok
03:37.55Kevin`oh oops
03:39.37summatusmentiskantlivelong, the 1000 isn't a bad option, depending on what you want
03:39.49kantlivelongwell i would need some disk space..
03:40.01summatusmentisI know of a few people who're using the 1000 w/ like a 2 or 4 GB sd card
03:40.04Kevin`i'd be afraid of breaking the flash.. and onlt 128mb..
03:40.15kantlivelongsummatusmentis: they make 4gb sd cards
03:40.16kantlivelong?
03:40.21kantlivelongwell
03:40.22summatusmentisyep
03:40.24kantlivelongthat work on it
03:40.48summatusmentisI think so, once oesf.org/forums comes back up, search that
03:41.27kantlivelongsee its just the prob of then having no SD
03:41.32kantlivelongbut wait
03:41.35kantlivelongit has usb rite..
03:41.48Kevin`froogle is only finding batteries and such :/
03:42.23Kevin`ya I suppose you could have an infinite amount of usb storage with some careful physical planning
03:42.33kantlivelong<PROTECTED>
03:42.51Kevin`well unless you want a mess of stuff hanging off it :)
03:42.55kantlivelongwell i was talkin abvout using a USB SD reader... like cuz i wanted a SD slot for pix and stuff
03:42.58NAbyssKevin`: At USB1.1 speeds though.. that'd suck
03:43.08Kevin`it would yes
03:43.20Kevin`but it would be fast enough for most things
03:43.24kantlivelongdoe the c1000 get more batt life?
03:43.33Kevin`not for the OS though
03:44.15Kevin`is the battery the same size?
03:44.22summatusmentiskantlivelong, supposedly, but only like 15 mins
03:44.23kantlivelongwell assuming it was
03:44.27summatusmentisnot pwering an hd
03:44.31kantlivelonghmmm
03:44.39Kevin`if the battery was the same size it would get more battery live
03:44.39kantlivelongc1000 might be an option
03:44.43Kevin`the hdd takes power
03:44.56kantlivelongso theres no other losses?
03:44.59kantlivelongjust the hdd?
03:45.01Kevin`although it spins down when inactive
03:45.25kantlivelongand does oZ boot right from SD like w/o altboot
03:45.29kantlivelongor whatever
03:45.39summatusmentiskantlivelong, afaik, there are no other hardware losses
03:45.45summatusmentisI didn't know they could do that...?
03:45.48kantlivelongi know CoreDump made a kernel that went right off a SD fs
03:45.56kantlivelongfor poodle
03:45.59Kevin`you can have root on sd
03:46.13kantlivelongyeah i dont want anything on nand cept kernel
03:46.22Kevin`the 3000 sd driver works well
03:46.32kantlivelongwa bout 1000?
03:46.40Kevin`same hardware right?
03:46.47Kevin`sd is slower then the hdd though
03:46.49kantlivelongfrom what summatusmentis says
03:46.57Kevin`not sure if sd or nand write is faster
03:47.16kantlivelongKevin`: yeah i know.. but thats fine :) im not expecting blazing fast speeds
03:47.31kantlivelongi just wanna be able to do aircrack and browsing and crap
03:47.38kantlivelongmovies, etc..
03:47.54Kevin`will you use a swapfile?
03:48.02kantlivelongKevin`: yep on SD
03:48.17Kevin`I suppose that's unaviodable, but bad to do :/
03:48.19kantlivelongKevin`: i format the SD ext2 and swp
03:48.43kantlivelongKevin`: honestly i dont see the prob.. yeah they say it burns out
03:48.51Kevin`all flash does
03:48.51kantlivelongmy poodle has beein running off SD and it seems fine
03:49.04Kevin`but SD is replacable
03:49.07Kevin`so I wouldn't worry so much
03:49.14kantlivelongKevin`: exactly
03:49.34Kevin`as long as you don't put it on the non-replacable flash :)
03:49.49kantlivelongKevin`: wouldnt think of it
03:50.05kantlivelongKevin`: i know poodles apm pwr meter is way off
03:50.10kantlivelonghows it on 1000?
03:50.20Kevin`the % seems fine
03:50.34Kevin`it starts at 100 and slowly goes down until it suspends :)
03:50.37Kevin`dunno what else to say
03:50.39kantlivelongah ok
03:50.46kantlivelongpoodle goes in incs of 25%
03:50.50kantlivelongso its way off
03:50.57Kevin`ya this is more accurate
03:51.08kantlivelongbatt life ok w/ a wifi card?
03:51.46Kevin`wifi takes lots of power
03:51.50Kevin`you will get hours
03:51.53Kevin`but
03:51.56Kevin`a lot less then normal
03:52.00kantlivelongKevin`: yeah i know :)
03:52.13kantlivelongKevin`: i got txpower control tho for my hostap card :)
03:52.37Kevin`hm how much less
03:53.00kantlivelongKevin`: never timed it but im sure alot more
03:53.16kantlivelongmsybe hr
03:53.17kantlivelongor so
03:53.28kantlivelongat a low txpower
03:53.30Kevin`more then an hour
03:53.39kantlivelongextra
03:53.42kantlivelongnot total
03:53.44Kevin`oh
03:54.01Kevin`how do you do that?
03:54.10kantlivelongjust a lil modding to hostap config file
03:54.22kantlivelongits not completely accurate but it works
03:54.53kantlivelongwell ill be on tommarow for a bit
03:54.57kantlivelongthanks guys :)
03:56.15kantlivelongoh
03:56.21kantlivelongdo i need a diff power cable?
03:56.32Kevin`I didn't..
03:56.47Kevin`the normal one accepted a wide voltage range
03:57.09Kevin`oh and a suggesstion. at 5v, it's perfect for powering a usb hub too
03:57.16kantlivelongok
03:57.23kantlivelongso if i buy from conics
03:57.28kantlivelongit should work in USA?
03:57.42Kevin`read the sticker when you get it
03:57.46kantlivelongkk
03:57.46Kevin`but I suspect it will
03:58.42Kevin`how much is it at conics?
03:58.46kantlivelong335
03:58.46summatusmentisI think if you buy from conics, you can specify which charger you want too
03:58.51kantlivelongoh cool
03:59.30kantlivelongwats english setup?
03:59.32kantlivelongjust software
03:59.35kantlivelongor the buttons
03:59.43Kevin`probably they replace the software for you
03:59.49Kevin`if so, not worth it :)
03:59.56Kevin`as instructions exist for doing it yourself
04:00.26kantlivelongyah
04:00.39kantlivelongthought they would shave off the japanese keyboard cra[
04:00.50Kevin`why would you want that
04:01.13Kevin`the original keyboard has mostly english letters
04:01.17kantlivelongyeah i know
04:01.19kantlivelongjust saying
04:01.22kantlivelongwas confused
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06:05.53Kevin`ls
06:05.56Kevin`heh
06:06.17Kevin`does OZ have the ability to act as an nfs server?
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06:06.44Kevin`hi JustinP
06:06.58JustinPKevin`: hi
06:07.11Kevin`perhaps you know.. can OZ act as an nfs server?
06:10.05Kevin`hm perhaops I could get an SD driver working
06:10.15Kevin`that would make everything a lot easier
06:15.02JustinPKevin`: SD should work on all models except collie with a 2.6 kernel. Yes it should be able to act as an NFS server....if we have the packages needed in the feeds. I don't know if we do.
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12:43.13magnet_hi.
12:43.25magnet_is there a way to get bvdd driver working for spitz ?
12:44.49hrw|worknot in OZ
12:44.56hrw|work2.6 kernel != bvdd hack
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12:46.50magnet_I saw some about it,
12:47.07magnet_but googling I found this : http://mirror.hentges.net/www.openzaurus.org/3.5.3/changelog.txt
12:47.21magnet_search for bvdd.
12:48.39hrw|work3.5.3
12:49.20magnet_oh kernel was 2.4 at this time ?
12:51.08hrw|workyes
12:51.31magnet_I'm trying to get best perfomance from dosemu.
12:51.53magnet_lots of games are quite playable already like dune.
12:52.29magnet_I'll look for overclocking now so.
12:52.30magnet_:)
12:53.42magnet_damn oesf being down, half the googles search about zaurus are dead.
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15:09.05*** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://www.openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | Current release: 3.5.4/3.5.4.1 | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ | Feed browser: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/fb/ | feeds.openzaurus.org rotates through all available mirrors
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15:41.26hvontres|poodle~seen CoreDump|home
15:41.47ibotcoredump|home is currently on #gpe #oe #openmoko #openzaurus, last said: '~pester CoreDump|home to fix bug xyz'.
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16:52.16STrRedWolfIs everyone having problems connecting to oesf.org?
16:58.45hvontres|poodleSTrRedWolf: Yup. I think they were moving to a new server, so the DNS is probably still screwed up
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17:21.40STrw|lunchLooks like to be.
17:21.57STrw|lunchWhen doing a "host www.oesf.org" I get a SERVFAIL
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17:47.44ME-tanand in reality your script is annoying :)
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20:04.04kantlivelonghey all
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20:53.30pgfellerping hrw
20:53.49hrwpong
20:54.28pgfellerhrw: busy? ... I just have a little question :-)
20:54.45hrwgo
20:55.28pgfellerhrw: what do I have to enable in .config to build usbcore.o for the collie?
20:55.41hrw2.4?
20:55.48pgfellerhrw: yep
20:55.57hrwusb support
20:56.14hrwI do not remember when last time I looked into 2.4/collie
20:57.33pgfellerhrw: did not found this entry - tried usbarm support ... but was not able to load the module ...
20:57.46hrwlet me look
20:58.17hrwCONFIG_USB=m
20:58.32hrwits from 2.4.18/corgi
20:58.56pgfellerhrw: thanks ... will try this
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21:06.01pgfellerhrw: I have kernel-module-sa1100usb-core & kernel-module-usbdcore build & installed - but depmod still reports  unresolved symbols:
21:06.10pgfellerhrw: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /media/card/packages/lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix/kernel/drivers/usb/hid.o
21:06.23pgfellerhrw: modprobe usbcore does not work also :-(
21:06.28hrwpgfeller: you need kernel-module-usbcore
21:08.09pgfellerhrw: I had CONFIG_USB=m already in & installed all the .ipk that where created with usb in the name ... will now search my device for usbcore.o ...
21:09.06pgfellerhrw: root@collie:/media/card# find / -name usbcore.o does not find it :-(
21:10.15hrwunpack/patch/configure 2.4-crapix and then rerun 'ARCH=arm make menuconfig', configure, rebuild
21:11.08pgfellerhrw: fear that was a little to compressed instructions for me :-)
21:11.35hrwbitbake -cclean openzaurus-sa
21:11.49hrwbitbake -b openzaurus-sa_VERSION.bb -cconfigure
21:12.08hrwthen cd tmp/work/*openzaurus-sa*/linux*/
21:12.13hrwARCH=arm make menuconfig
21:12.18hrwcd back to builddir
21:12.20Kevin`can OZ act as an nfs server?
21:12.23hrwbitbake openzaurus-sa
21:12.28hrwKevin`: should be able to
21:12.45Kevin`it has the required kernel stuff and userland?
21:12.54hrwKevin`: which model?
21:12.56pgfellerhrw: thanks a lot
21:13.00Kevin`sl-c3200
21:13.32hrwKevin`: check feeds
21:17.02kantlivelonglo all
21:18.07pgfellerhrw: have a problem with the cmd "bitbake -b openzaurus-sa_VERSION.bb -cconfigure": ERROR: Unable to open /stuff/openzaurus-sa_VERSION.bb
21:19.04hrwyou need to provide full path
21:19.24pgfellerhrw: ok
21:19.45hvontres|poodlepgfeller: hi there... so what fun stuff are you working on now?
21:20.18pgfellerhvontres|poodle: as usual :-) ... my teeth are still burried in the uinput stuff for fbvncserver
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21:26.17pgfellerhrw:  ... still does not work :-(: bitbake /stuff/org.openembedded.oz354x/packages/linux/collie-kernel-32-0_2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix20030509.bb -cconfigure
21:26.24pgfellerhrw: ERROR: Nothing provides dependency /stuff/org.openembedded.oz354x/packages/linux/collie-kernel-32-0_2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix20030509.bb
21:27.22hrwforgot -b
21:28.15pgfellerhrw: that it was - thanks
21:29.01hrwnp
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22:25.03Greg2hello all
22:25.13mimecarhi Greg2
22:25.27pebhi both of you
22:26.08RealisticDragondoes anyone know if oesf/zaurus user group has reopened somewhere?
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22:26.23mimecarthey were migrating to another server
22:26.34Greg2hi mimecar  peb
22:26.48RealisticDragoncant find any working links to them anywhere :/
22:26.55RealisticDragonthe direct ip link goes to a closed web store
22:28.01mimecarlook this http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:ZQBBBU5zyVsJ:www.oesf.org/forums/index.php%3Fact%3Dfindpost%26pid%3D126931+oesf+ibiblio&hl=es&gl=es&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a
22:28.41mimecarthey planed change the host
22:29.29RealisticDragonyup but since they they have also posted that they are moving off ibiblio to somewhere else
22:29.44Greg2RealisticDragon: it will take some time for dns to propagate for new ip
22:30.10mimecarand that's s volunter work
22:30.16mimecarie, on free time
22:30.53RealisticDragoni know :) but those posts are from may and suchlike :( slightly concerned that they are totally dead
22:31.10RealisticDragonah, nm, from yesterday :) my bad
22:31.17mimecarxDD
22:43.44Greg2hvontres|poodle: ping
22:45.40hvontres|poodleGreg2: pong
22:45.50Greg2hvontres|poodle: will the last kernel update make the opie-sound-level slider work?
22:46.05hvontres|poodleGreg2: YES :)
22:46.08Greg2and hi
22:46.20Greg2and thanks:)
22:49.16Greg2hvontres|poodle:  bitbaking it now :)
22:52.02Greg2hvontres|poodle: have you seen CoreDump?
22:53.28hvontres|poodleGreg2: Not since last week. I was kinda hoping you had :(
22:53.43Greg2nope:(
22:54.23hvontres|poodleGreg2: Do you know why I would get two entries for / in mount ?
22:54.58hvontres|poodleGreg2: I get rootfs on / type roofs and /dev/root on / type ext2 when I boot from SD
22:55.15Greg2no... in what version?
22:56.01Greg2your build or what?
22:56.02JustinPhvontres|poodle: I've seen that before....
22:56.05hvontres|poodle3.5.4.2 with root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 in kernel commandline ( CoreDump's latest)
22:56.44hvontres|poodleJustinP: how did you fix it? I think it is keeping init from cleanly unmounting / during reboot
22:57.14hvontres|poodleGreg2: but basicaly my build from .oz354x
22:57.43JustinPhvontres|poodle: I didn't, I just know I've seen it :-/. I can see how it could cause that problem...
22:58.12Greg2i haven't seen it with my builds
22:58.32hvontres|poodleGreg2: Does your kenel boot / from SD?
22:58.40Greg2no
22:59.32Greg2I'm using my flash
22:59.57hvontres|poodleGreg2: I still have my previous setup in flash, but I am testing root-on-sd right now. It seems to be a bit faster and not having to mess with ipkg-link is really nice :)
23:00.44Greg2hvontres|poodle: I would like to use kexc to do that my self
23:01.31Greg2hvontres|poodle: is that what you are doing?
23:03.31Greg2afk
23:07.07hvontres|poodleGreg2: CoreDump|home changed the default kernel cmdline to do that. I have a custom altboot script that kexecs a kernel from /mmcblk0p1/boot
23:10.28Greg2hvontres|poodle: so, do you have a copy of your script handy:)  ?
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23:13.35Greg2hvontres|poodle: msg me if it's a secret/alpha/beta
23:30.05Greg2g'night all
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