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| 00:24.19 | daurnimator | hi all |
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| 00:45.55 | summatusmentis | hey daurnimator |
| 00:47.09 | daurnimator | i'm seriously thinking about buy a C3200 |
| 00:47.14 | daurnimator | care to sway me closer? |
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| 00:59.14 | summatusmentis | daurnimator, I've ordered mine :-P 3.7" screen, 6GB HD |
| 00:59.19 | Greg2 | hello all |
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| 00:59.23 | summatusmentis | embedded linux(clincher) |
| 00:59.29 | summatusmentis | hey Greg2 |
| 00:59.29 | Webo | hi all |
| 00:59.49 | summatusmentis | daurnimator, personally, I think it's the best PDA out there |
| 01:01.50 | daurnimator | thats not what i needed to hear |
| 01:05.03 | Greg2 | ~seen hvontres|poodle |
| 01:05.37 | ibot | hvontres|poodle <n=hvontres@68.120.74.196> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 10d 5h 25m 41s ago, saying: 'Greg2: Cool :)'. |
| 01:07.12 | Greg2 | ~seen CoreDump|home |
| 01:07.15 | ibot | coredump|home is currently on #gpe #oe #openmoko #openzaurus, last said: '~pester CoreDump|home to fix bug xyz'. |
| 01:07.21 | summatusmentis | daurnimator, you wanted to be swayed closer? |
| 01:08.08 | daurnimator | yeah |
| 01:08.20 | daurnimator | stuff like "wifi cards are great" |
| 01:08.31 | summatusmentis | I'm confused? |
| 01:08.32 | daurnimator | "i use it everyday for X" |
| 01:09.00 | summatusmentis | not yet, don't have one |
| 01:09.13 | summatusmentis | I would use my 5500 a lot more, if the screen were large enough |
| 01:09.17 | NAbyss_ | daurnimator: I use mine daily for gps/mapping stuff.. |
| 01:09.38 | daurnimator | what gps? |
| 01:09.42 | daurnimator | usb, BT? |
| 01:09.45 | NAbyss_ | USB |
| 01:09.58 | NAbyss_ | One of the sirf3 USB units |
| 01:10.21 | summatusmentis | NAbyss_, what'd you spend on that? |
| 01:10.35 | daurnimator | what program(s) do you use? |
| 01:11.15 | NAbyss_ | http://www.ja-gps.com.au/gps-haicom-204.html - about AUD$110 when I got it |
| 01:11.27 | NAbyss_ | I use gpsdrive, and a little tool to suck down google maps |
| 01:11.34 | daurnimator | hmm |
| 01:11.37 | daurnimator | works well? |
| 01:11.42 | NAbyss_ | I've pulled down all of Australia, with detailed maps of my state/city as well |
| 01:11.45 | NAbyss_ | Extremely well |
| 01:12.02 | NAbyss_ | http://gtm.tel.uva.es/ztep/maps/dmap.htm |
| 01:12.03 | daurnimator | how big (gb) |
| 01:13.01 | NAbyss_ | 93mb for the maps |
| 01:13.08 | Greg2 | cu |
| 01:13.26 | daurnimator | heh |
| 01:13.29 | daurnimator | care to send them to me? |
| 01:13.43 | NAbyss_ | daurnimator: They're specific to australia and melbourne.. they'd be useful to you? |
| 01:13.55 | daurnimator | i live in elsternwick ;) |
| 01:13.59 | NAbyss_ | Ah, cool :) |
| 01:14.06 | NAbyss_ | I'll chuck up a tarball of my ~/.gpsdrive |
| 01:19.02 | NAbyss_ | daurnimator: http://tucuxi.org/temp/melbourne.tar |
| 01:22.45 | daurnimator | :( |
| 01:22.51 | daurnimator | care to compress it? |
| 01:42.33 | peb | NAbyss_, what tools are you using for pulling down the maps? |
| 01:46.03 | NAbyss_ | daurnimator: Compression gives about 300kb |
| 01:46.14 | NAbyss_ | peb: http://gtm.tel.uva.es/ztep/maps/dmap.htm |
| 01:46.40 | Webo | i've always wondered if zaurus would work fine with gpss |
| 01:46.46 | Webo | but i see it does |
| 01:46.52 | Webo | i had an acer n35 |
| 01:46.55 | Webo | it sucked so much... |
| 01:47.21 | peb | ah, ok - I need to give it a try. Just preparing for a skitrip, maps would come in handy ... (currently I'm ripping a dvd (robby w. live) on another machine also for the Z to take it on the road ...) |
| 01:47.26 | daurnimator | NAbyss_: where do you live? |
| 01:47.31 | NAbyss_ | daurnimator: Knox |
| 01:47.35 | daurnimator | ew |
| 01:48.20 | NAbyss_ | I will warn though.. gpsdrive's interface is sucky, but I've been pondering adapting the preexisting patch to make it less fugly on PDAs |
| 02:01.45 | peb | not a problem, just playing shouldn't suck too much |
| 02:02.06 | NAbyss_ | Yeah, it's reasonable if you're just using it for gps maps |
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| 02:29.47 | daurnimator | any advice for me on gps progs for flying? |
| 02:29.56 | daurnimator | something like mSeeYou or GPSLOG on pocketpc |
| 02:30.57 | NAbyss_ | daurnimator: gpsdrive will log a track if you enable that option |
| 02:31.26 | daurnimator | lol |
| 02:31.28 | daurnimator | thats not it |
| 02:31.48 | daurnimator | gotta calculate drag, final glide, waypoints, IEC etc |
| 02:32.00 | NAbyss_ | ah |
| 02:39.35 | daurnimator | any ideas? |
| 02:41.26 | NAbyss_ | None.. never heard of any software for it |
| 02:45.35 | daurnimator | see above |
| 02:46.14 | NAbyss_ | daurnimator: Are there any open source packages for linux? If so, you might be able to hack up a .bb to compile it |
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| 02:47.25 | daurnimator | i've never found one |
| 02:47.31 | daurnimator | one of the reasons i'm still using a ppc |
| 02:47.43 | NAbyss_ | ah |
| 02:48.04 | NAbyss_ | are the equations for it common knowledge? |
| 02:48.14 | daurnimator | yes |
| 02:48.20 | daurnimator | i could make my own |
| 02:48.23 | daurnimator | but... i just don't have the time |
| 02:48.40 | daurnimator | they would be ALOT of work |
| 02:48.56 | NAbyss_ | ah |
| 02:51.00 | daurnimator | the only good free one: http://www.soaringpilotsoftware.com/GPS_LOGpage.htm |
| 02:51.03 | daurnimator | not open source though |
| 02:56.52 | Webo | i've read |
| 02:57.05 | Webo | that tomtom GPSs use embeded linux |
| 02:57.14 | Webo | it was quit long time ago |
| 02:57.21 | Webo | when Tomtom started |
| 02:57.41 | NAbyss_ | yep, they do |
| 02:57.45 | Webo | maybe someone has reached to something |
| 02:57.52 | Webo | to install tomtom to zaurus |
| 02:58.07 | Webo | since in think pocketpcs are arm too |
| 02:58.11 | daurnimator | the best program: http://www.naviter.si/products/seeyou-mobile.php |
| 03:01.16 | daurnimator | the only OS program is kflog ( http://www.kflog.org ) |
| 03:02.00 | daurnimator | which includes cumulus |
| 03:02.09 | daurnimator | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.13 | Webo | is it nice? |
| 03:06.00 | daurnimator | doesn't have everything |
| 03:06.14 | daurnimator | not terrible though |
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| 03:17.29 | Webo | next xmas i'll ask santa for a gps :) |
| 03:17.38 | Webo | by now he is really poor :( |
| 03:21.56 | JustinP | I just got one but am having problems with it in Linux :-( |
| 03:23.11 | Webo | :/ |
| 03:25.20 | JustinP | the garmin binary protocol is *supposed* to be handled by gpsd but I'm getting garbage out of it...and it segfaults |
| 03:25.34 | NAbyss_ | JustinP: Just use NMEA0183? |
| 03:26.45 | daurnimator | yeah |
| 03:26.48 | daurnimator | NMEA ftw |
| 03:27.57 | JustinP | NAbyss_: eh? the Garmin GPS 18 USB sends its own binary protocol. gpsd is supposed to decode itinto NMEA and send it along. |
| 03:28.37 | NAbyss_ | JustinP: Hmm, you can't switch it into NMEA mode instead? |
| 03:28.47 | NAbyss_ | JustinP: Most units in my experience will talk bot |
| 03:28.48 | NAbyss_ | h |
| 03:28.53 | daurnimator | i need a new gps |
| 03:29.00 | daurnimator | thinking bluetooth |
| 03:31.39 | JustinP | NAbyss_: this is a USB, GPS only unit, for computer use. I believe it doesn't have such a capability. There is software...for windows...to convert it. And there is gpsd, which is supposed to do it, and garminusb2nmea, but that crashes on me too. |
| 03:33.08 | NAbyss_ | JustinP: Ah, okies |
| 03:36.23 | daurnimator | NAbyss_: what zaurus do you have? |
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| 03:41.17 | NAbyss_ | daurnimator: c3100 |
| 03:41.28 | daurnimator | cool |
| 03:41.41 | daurnimator | can you install this for me (as a favor): http://www.kflog.org/fileadmin/user_upload/cumulus_downloads/1.2.1/cumulus_1.2.1_oz_arm.ipk |
| 03:53.03 | NAbyss_ | daurnimator: Don't have the Z with me at present.. did you have any luck with the tarball? |
| 03:53.31 | daurnimator | you mean the map(s)? |
| 03:53.38 | NAbyss_ | yeah |
| 03:53.38 | JustinP | daurnimator: why do you need it installed? will a C3000 do? |
| 03:53.55 | daurnimator | i just want to see your first impressions |
| 03:54.03 | daurnimator | any obvious problems |
| 03:54.25 | daurnimator | a program like this is integral to getting a zaurus for myself |
| 03:54.37 | JustinP | what is it? |
| 03:54.59 | daurnimator | in flight computation for glider pilots |
| 03:55.13 | JustinP | do you want me to try it on a c3000? |
| 03:55.39 | daurnimator | should look like: http://www.kflog.org/cumulus/screenshots/ i guess |
| 03:55.39 | daurnimator | yes please |
| 03:56.06 | daurnimator | NAbyss_: the map tar is downloading @ 0.2KB/s |
| 03:56.15 | JustinP | opie, huh? |
| 03:56.23 | daurnimator | 12 hours to go |
| 03:56.23 | daurnimator | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.38 | NAbyss_ | daurnimator: Whoa.. that's insane |
| 03:56.39 | daurnimator | JustinP:? |
| 03:56.47 | NAbyss_ | daurnimator: Let me do a bit of server thwacking :) |
| 03:56.53 | daurnimator | na |
| 03:56.56 | daurnimator | no rush |
| 03:57.15 | JustinP | daurnimator: it's an Opie app, not an X app |
| 03:57.23 | JustinP | daurnimator: I'll try it in my opie image |
| 03:58.02 | daurnimator | ok... |
| 03:58.11 | daurnimator | it said it was an open zaurus ipk |
| 03:58.15 | JustinP | daurnimator: 2 different environments |
| 03:58.16 | daurnimator | so... i thought you could run it? |
| 03:58.37 | JustinP | daurnimator: ah....well....so it's probably Sharp ROM? I thought this was something you compiled yourself perhaps |
| 03:58.51 | JustinP | ah yes, missed the Qt |
| 03:58.56 | JustinP | yeah, that's for the Sharp ROM |
| 03:59.00 | JustinP | I don't run the Shapr ROM |
| 03:59.24 | daurnimator | can you look @ http://www.kflog.org/cumulus/download/ and pick one then? :S |
| 04:00.20 | JustinP | daurnimator: ah, they do have an OZ package |
| 04:00.23 | daurnimator | its Opie according to http://www.kflog.org/~axel/Cumulus-Installation-HowTo-OZ-Opie.html |
| 04:00.40 | JustinP | daurnimator: well, there's a cumulus recipe in OE so I'll build that and try it |
| 04:00.52 | JustinP | daurnimator: I was going by the screenshots, not the link ;-) |
| 04:01.15 | daurnimator | do you have a gps? |
| 04:01.39 | JustinP | daurnimator: yes, as I said earlier, but it's not working correctly on my Z |
| 04:05.05 | daurnimator | oh |
| 04:05.05 | daurnimator | sorry |
| 04:05.05 | daurnimator | didn't connect you as the same person :P{ |
| 04:08.01 | JustinP | daurnimator: any help would be appreciated :-/ |
| 04:10.52 | daurnimator | can you get it working on computer? |
| 04:11.47 | Webo | good night to everybody |
| 04:11.49 | Webo | or whatever |
| 04:11.52 | Webo | here its 5am |
| 04:11.54 | Webo | :/ |
| 04:13.46 | JustinP | daurnimator: it works fine on Windows with the supplied program, just not on linux...the driver works anf gpsd connects and gets something, but it's corrupted data |
| 04:14.00 | daurnimator | linux on PC? |
| 04:14.05 | JustinP | daurnimator: might have something to do with the fact that it's on my Z....guess I'll try a linux live CD on my laptop |
| 04:16.50 | daurnimator | so |
| 04:16.56 | daurnimator | have you got vumuus working? |
| 04:17.05 | daurnimator | *cumulus |
| 04:25.16 | daurnimator | JustinP? |
| 04:29.45 | daurnimator | where is serial port on the C3x00? |
| 04:31.34 | NAbyss_ | daurnimator: in the connector on the back behind the rubber thing; requires a custom breakout cable |
| 04:31.46 | daurnimator | pic? |
| 04:33.03 | JustinP | daurnimator: sorry, got sidetracked. it runs, yes. doesn't look quite right, but it's probably meant for the smaller screens |
| 04:33.22 | JustinP | daurnimator: the serial port on the back isn't quite on spec so it doesn't work sometimes |
| 04:34.10 | NAbyss_ | daurnimator: unless you've a need for that serial port, you'd be better off with a usb serial converter |
| 04:34.41 | daurnimator | got a pic? |
| 04:34.59 | NAbyss_ | can't say that I do |
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| 05:11.23 | daurnimator | anyone here have contact with zodttd? |
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| 07:46.28 | HRH_H_Crab | hmmm. those cumulus maps are nice i wish that gpsdrive packaged maps like that. |
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| 08:06.06 | rustre | hi there people |
| 09:03.51 | rustre | I need help : when installing OZ 3.5.4.1 (or 3.5.4), at the first boot I get a "kernel panic - not syncing: No init found" |
| 09:03.55 | rustre | what am I doing wrong? |
| 09:29.48 | JustinP | rustre: flashing the wrong kernel? not flashing the rootfs? |
| 09:30.05 | rustre | I don't have a clue |
| 09:30.18 | rustre | I'm just trying to follow the simple steps described in the wiki page |
| 09:30.38 | JustinP | rustre: when you flashed it did it say that it was flashing both the kernel and rootfs? |
| 09:30.44 | rustre | i have a C860, so I downloaded http://mirror.hentges.net/www.openzaurus.org/3.5.4.1/images/c7x0/opie-install.tar.gz |
| 09:31.04 | rustre | when? after the japanese menu? when it started to flash? |
| 09:31.41 | JustinP | yes |
| 09:31.43 | rustre | it just "uncompressed" the three files it seems, then I have an awful lot of "jffs2" errors (read errors iirc) |
| 09:31.46 | rustre | and the kernel panic |
| 09:31.55 | JustinP | doesn't sound good |
| 09:32.15 | rustre | but it seems the md5sum files are all corrupted from the mirrors, so I can't even download them to check |
| 09:32.17 | JustinP | you should try to look at the output of the flashing script |
| 09:32.19 | rustre | I'm lost |
| 09:32.28 | JustinP | see what it's flashing |
| 09:32.35 | JustinP | md5's corrupted? how so? |
| 09:32.39 | rustre | dunno |
| 09:32.46 | rustre | http://mirror.hentges.net/www.openzaurus.org/3.5.4.1/images/c7x0/opie-install.tar.gz.md5 |
| 09:32.53 | rustre | can you download this file? I can't seem to |
| 09:33.11 | rustre | oh damn I can, it seems to be an issue with firefox ... |
| 09:33.15 | rustre | with "wget" I just got it |
| 09:34.30 | rustre | ok md5sum correct... |
| 09:34.33 | rustre | so this is not the issue |
| 09:34.45 | rustre | how can I look at the output of the flashing script? |
| 09:35.58 | JustinP | you....watch |
| 09:36.12 | JustinP | or maybe I'm mistaken and the c680 doesn't show it, but I think it does |
| 09:36.57 | rustre | i'll give it a try just now |
| 09:38.02 | rustre | kernel Success! |
| 09:38.12 | rustre | Flash erasing ... done |
| 09:38.41 | rustre | then I have a progress "bar" |
| 09:38.54 | rustre | it goes up to 100% (dunno what it's doing) |
| 09:39.17 | rustre | then I have a "rebooting" |
| 09:39.35 | rustre | the OpenZaurus displays (very neat logo btw, I love it ;) |
| 09:40.27 | rustre | then I have pages of JFFS error: (1) jffs2_build_inode_pass1: child dir "...." (ino #2941) of dir ino #2490 appears to be a hard link |
| 09:40.39 | rustre | with loads of different directories |
| 09:40.48 | rustre | (bin, doc, etc, lib, sbin.....) |
| 09:41.08 | JustinP | hmmmm, I don't know |
| 09:41.10 | JustinP | sorry |
| 09:41.12 | rustre | then it finishes with a "Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel." |
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| 09:41.39 | rustre | :'( |
| 09:41.52 | rustre | who do you think could help me, or give me pointers on what could the cause be? |
| 09:44.06 | JustinP | hrw maybe |
| 09:44.16 | JustinP | I have a c3000 and don't use jffs... |
| 09:45.07 | rustre | jffs is used for the C860? |
| 09:46.52 | JustinP | yes |
| 09:47.05 | rustre | i don't understand what's going on |
| 09:47.21 | rustre | should I format the NAND before flashing? |
| 09:47.28 | rustre | should I increase/decrease the partition size? |
| 09:47.50 | rustre | should I format using some other file system? (jffs2 for example if it's not using this filesystem?) |
| 09:52.41 | JustinP | if you used something other than the Sharp ROM then you should probably put a Sharp-ROM NAND backup back on it |
| 09:58.21 | rustre | yup i'll give that a try |
| 09:58.26 | rustre | i just need to find one now:/ |
| 10:01.47 | rustre | yeah, got one, i'll try ;) |
| 10:01.50 | rustre | thanks a lot JustinP ;) |
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| 11:37.47 | rustre | hey guys, anyone know where I could download the 1.23 version of the cacko rom? |
| 11:38.02 | rustre | i'm trying the links at the bottom of the page http://my-zaurus.narod.ru/cacko.html |
| 11:38.13 | rustre | but all the links seem to be broken (404 errors for all the links :/) |
| 11:43.05 | daurnimator | 404'd! |
| 11:46.47 | rustre | ? |
| 11:47.06 | rustre | are they other mirrors or places I could download the latest 1.23 version of the cacko rom? |
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| 15:19.20 | summatusmentis | rustre, you do know that this is the openzaurus channel right? |
| 15:19.48 | summatusmentis | I'm not trying to be hostile, but we're not likely to have any more information than you on the subject |
| 15:29.45 | Webo | hi |
| 15:30.21 | Webo | i have a question for oz |
| 15:30.23 | Webo | :) |
| 15:30.29 | Webo | i'm new at oz |
| 15:30.53 | Webo | sd cards behave strange |
| 15:30.55 | Webo | :S |
| 15:31.03 | Webo | where should the be mapped |
| 15:31.05 | Webo | ?? |
| 15:31.19 | Webo | i need caffeine |
| 15:31.19 | Webo | :S |
| 15:31.29 | Webo | ups that was for a query |
| 15:31.30 | Webo | :/ |
| 15:41.09 | rustre | summatusmentis i do know it, but when I joined the #cacko channel, the topic was "join #openzaurus", so I did :/ |
| 15:41.50 | summatusmentis | rustre, oh, really? |
| 15:41.53 | rustre | Webo : just fyi, I don't have my SD detected on my C860 with the OZ 3.5.4.1 |
| 15:41.59 | rustre | summatusmentis : yup, check it up ;) |
| 15:42.16 | rustre | Webo : that's partially why I'm running Cacko rom on my C860, and not OZ :/ |
| 15:42.18 | summatusmentis | don't get me wrong, I'm not saying leave, I didn't know about the #cacko channel |
| 15:42.25 | rustre | no problem summatusmentis ;) |
| 15:42.59 | summatusmentis | that's interesting, looks like hrw supports(or devs maybe) both |
| 15:43.10 | summatusmentis | sorry about that rustre, no hard feelings? |
| 15:43.40 | summatusmentis | Webo, you can't find the sd card? |
| 15:43.47 | rustre | no hard feelings at all :D |
| 15:44.07 | summatusmentis | good |
| 15:46.34 | hrw | summatusmentis: I do not support sharprom and its clones (watapon, cacko etc), pdaX is also not supported by me |
| 15:46.41 | hrw | I support OZ and Angstrom |
| 15:47.15 | summatusmentis | hrw, ok, I made an assumption because you were in the #cacko channel, sorry |
| 15:47.39 | hrw | I'm also in #zaurus #nslu2-linux #openmoko and few others |
| 15:48.04 | summatusmentis | openembedded based projects?' |
| 15:48.22 | hrw | not #zaurus but others yes |
| 15:48.30 | summatusmentis | ah, ok |
| 15:48.32 | Webo | sorry, i was trying to find it out |
| 15:48.33 | summatusmentis | sorry about that |
| 15:48.36 | Webo | rustre |
| 15:48.44 | Webo | it seems to attach it to strange device |
| 15:48.51 | Webo | (im rebooting, hold on a sec) |
| 15:49.00 | Webo | rustre, thanx for the advice |
| 15:49.10 | Webo | ;) |
| 15:49.29 | Webo | as far as i know, oz is the most usable and mature distro |
| 15:49.33 | Webo | i might be wrong |
| 15:49.34 | Webo | ;P |
| 15:49.53 | hrw | ;) |
| 15:50.04 | summatusmentis | Webo, that's what I've seen, granted, I haven't tried anything else except Sharp |
| 15:50.27 | summatusmentis | but that's because the only other one that supports the 5500 that I know of is hentges, which is OZ based |
| 15:50.38 | hrw | OZ is developed by some people, pdaX is stalled by fact that there is only one devel which has problems with cooperating |
| 15:51.10 | Webo | sharp's rom sucks in such a way... |
| 15:51.30 | hrw | and sharprom clones are hard to be defined as distros because they are mostly collections of sharprom packages |
| 15:51.43 | summatusmentis | hrw, does Angstrom have a release date? |
| 15:51.49 | hrw | summatusmentis: not yet |
| 15:52.07 | summatusmentis | any general ideas? |
| 15:52.23 | hrw | March probably |
| 15:52.37 | summatusmentis | ooh, soon-ish |
| 15:52.54 | hrw | or rather 'not before March' |
| 15:53.51 | summatusmentis | ok, the reason I ask is because I'm planning on working on a 2.6 SD driver for collie, with the hopes of it being included in Angstrom support |
| 15:54.27 | hrw | cool |
| 15:54.57 | summatusmentis | I probably won't be able to start until Feb. when I've got less classes |
| 15:55.34 | hrw | studying? |
| 15:55.57 | summatusmentis | yeah, I'm in High School, 3 AP classes, and others on top |
| 15:56.10 | summatusmentis | next semester it'll just be the 3 AP classes |
| 15:56.37 | hrw | how old you arE? |
| 15:56.50 | summatusmentis | 18 |
| 15:56.58 | summatusmentis | Senior in High School |
| 15:57.08 | hrw | I'm 30.5 |
| 15:57.21 | summatusmentis | how long have you been coding? |
| 15:57.40 | hrw | half of life? |
| 15:57.45 | rustre | I found OZ rather nice, but (no hard feelings please) not as neat and "stable" as cacko in my opinion |
| 15:57.51 | Webo | 30 in high school? :S |
| 15:57.55 | rustre | on the other hand, cacko is only running 2.4 kernel |
| 15:58.01 | Webo | you've gave up and started again? |
| 15:58.12 | summatusmentis | hrw, since you were 15-16? |
| 15:58.14 | rustre | Webo : hrw is 30, summatusmentis is in high school ;) |
| 15:58.21 | summatusmentis | Webo, yeah |
| 15:58.24 | hrw | summatusmentis: kind of |
| 15:58.32 | Webo | summatusmentis? |
| 15:58.36 | hrw | summatusmentis: BASIC on 8bit Ataris, some asm |
| 15:58.37 | Webo | sorry, im spanish :S |
| 15:58.41 | Webo | ah okay |
| 15:58.48 | Webo | god... |
| 15:58.48 | summatusmentis | Webo, just agreeing with rustre |
| 15:58.48 | Webo | xD |
| 15:58.55 | summatusmentis | hrw, wow |
| 15:59.08 | Webo | i thought i was geek |
| 15:59.10 | Webo | xD |
| 15:59.27 | Webo | ;P |
| 16:00.21 | Webo | going back to the sd... |
| 16:00.32 | Webo | it maps my sd to /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 16:00.36 | Webo | and finds no valid fs on it |
| 16:00.45 | Webo | trust me, its fat |
| 16:00.56 | summatusmentis | this is cacko doing that? |
| 16:00.57 | hrw | it should use /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 16:00.57 | Webo | ayway, i'm unable to format it |
| 16:01.26 | Webo | yep |
| 16:01.30 | Webo | i try to mout it |
| 16:02.05 | Webo | i get dev or resource busy |
| 16:02.11 | Webo | i'll try to fdisk it |
| 16:02.50 | Webo | it seems to be working :) |
| 16:03.00 | *** join/#openzaurus mimecar (n=Miguel@162.Red-83-41-96.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 16:03.02 | mimecar | hi |
| 16:03.06 | summatusmentis | hey mimecar |
| 16:03.23 | mimecar | hi summatusmentis |
| 16:03.29 | hrw | hi mimecar |
| 16:04.14 | mimecar | merry christmas guys :) |
| 16:04.14 | Webo | :S |
| 16:04.14 | mimecar | hi hrw |
| 16:04.14 | Webo | it works |
| 16:04.14 | Webo | i think last night i was pretty confused |
| 16:04.19 | Webo | :S |
| 16:04.23 | Webo | and asleep |
| 16:04.32 | Webo | where are u all from? |
| 16:05.06 | mimecar | Webo: what was the problem ? |
| 16:06.09 | summatusmentis | mimecar, Merry Christmas to you too |
| 16:06.12 | summatusmentis | Webo, US |
| 16:06.56 | Webo | mimecar, its ok now ;) |
| 16:07.04 | Webo | summatusmentis, what part? |
| 16:07.11 | Webo | i'd like to go there |
| 16:07.15 | Webo | never been |
| 16:07.17 | Webo | :/ |
| 16:07.32 | summatusmentis | Webo, Maine, northeastern |
| 16:07.42 | Webo | hum |
| 16:08.15 | Webo | i want to go there to see and to learn english |
| 16:08.20 | Webo | i think its the only way to do it |
| 16:08.21 | mimecar | spain is the best place :P |
| 16:08.26 | Webo | it is |
| 16:08.26 | mimecar | hot, beach... |
| 16:08.27 | Webo | ;) |
| 16:08.35 | Webo | jamón serrano |
| 16:08.47 | summatusmentis | Webo, probably the best way to learn english |
| 16:08.48 | Webo | :D~ |
| 16:09.03 | summatusmentis | I was in a spanish immersion school for elementary school |
| 16:09.13 | Webo | haha |
| 16:09.15 | Webo | yes, probably |
| 16:09.16 | summatusmentis | and taking language classes in school doesn't seem to cut it |
| 16:09.17 | Webo | for grammar sure |
| 16:09.35 | Webo | but i mean for spoken english |
| 16:09.37 | Webo | and vocabulary |
| 16:09.51 | Webo | probably if i go there and talk with my school-english |
| 16:10.01 | summatusmentis | oh right, that's what I'm saying, immerse yourself, it's the best way |
| 16:10.01 | Webo | i would sound like a literature book |
| 16:10.04 | Webo | or something like that |
| 16:10.27 | Webo | one question |
| 16:10.31 | summatusmentis | my entire elementary school was taught in spanish, so I know what you mean |
| 16:10.33 | Webo | for mass-storage sharing... |
| 16:10.43 | Webo | really? |
| 16:10.48 | Webo | but you where born in US? |
| 16:11.31 | summatusmentis | Webo, yes, it was called Adams Spanish Immersion School, in St. Paul MN, everything was taught in spanish |
| 16:11.48 | mimecar | interesting :) |
| 16:11.50 | summatusmentis | until like, 3rd grade when they started having english class for like 45 minutes a day |
| 16:11.52 | Webo | i'd have liked to study my first years of school in english |
| 16:12.02 | mimecar | I should go to an english inmersion school |
| 16:12.05 | Webo | in an american or brithish school |
| 16:12.23 | *** join/#openzaurus Goggy (i=gog@69-9-9-226.dakotacom.net) |
| 16:13.14 | Webo | one question |
| 16:13.17 | Webo | relative to oz |
| 16:13.23 | summatusmentis | Webo, it really depends on which version of english you want to learn, US English is pretty different, at least when dealing w/ vocabulary, than British English |
| 16:13.33 | Webo | yep, i know |
| 16:13.36 | mimecar | ask Webo |
| 16:13.40 | Webo | i think that it doesnt really matter |
| 16:13.47 | Webo | its like mexican spanish or spain spanish |
| 16:13.50 | Webo | the base is the same |
| 16:13.56 | summatusmentis | perhaps, what was the OZ question? |
| 16:14.11 | Webo | i want to share my sd (now it works) with my laptop |
| 16:14.17 | Webo | via usb mass storage |
| 16:14.28 | mimecar | inside the zaurus ? |
| 16:14.33 | Webo | y load g_file_storage file=/path... |
| 16:14.35 | Webo | yep |
| 16:14.43 | Webo | plugged with usb cable to the laptop |
| 16:14.47 | mimecar | you can connect to the zaurus with ssh |
| 16:14.53 | mimecar | and work with the sd |
| 16:14.54 | Webo | i know |
| 16:14.59 | Webo | but... |
| 16:15.09 | summatusmentis | I didn't think you can do mass storage w/ OZ |
| 16:15.09 | Webo | i dont have ethernet |
| 16:15.11 | Webo | its wifi |
| 16:15.14 | Webo | and due to its configuration |
| 16:15.22 | Webo | i cant access wired network from wirelss |
| 16:15.29 | Webo | paranoia+security |
| 16:15.30 | Webo | :P |
| 16:15.33 | mimecar | Webo: I use a ssh gui |
| 16:15.46 | mimecar | ssh is crypt |
| 16:15.50 | Webo | i know |
| 16:15.57 | Webo | but wifi is vulnerable |
| 16:16.02 | Webo | so i configured it |
| 16:16.02 | summatusmentis | you can do ppp-usb if you want |
| 16:16.13 | Webo | in such a way that wifi is appart from wired network here |
| 16:16.19 | Webo | how? |
| 16:16.39 | Webo | and mass storage is more practical |
| 16:16.44 | Webo | (practical?) |
| 16:16.49 | Webo | mimecar |
| 16:16.52 | Webo | are u spanish? |
| 16:16.55 | mimecar | yes |
| 16:17.08 | mimecar | wifi is vulnerable |
| 16:17.12 | Webo | what part? |
| 16:17.16 | mimecar | valencia |
| 16:17.28 | mimecar | with ssh and small time for connections |
| 16:17.30 | Webo | i have an apartamnt in oliva |
| 16:17.40 | mimecar | it's very hard intercept it |
| 16:17.45 | Webo | i know |
| 16:17.48 | mimecar | on oliva nova ? |
| 16:17.50 | Webo | but i didnt mean that |
| 16:17.52 | Webo | yep |
| 16:17.53 | Webo | :) |
| 16:17.59 | Webo | i ment for example |
| 16:18.17 | Webo | i share smb without pass for all computers here |
| 16:18.20 | Webo | and stuff like that |
| 16:18.22 | summatusmentis | Webo, http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11785 for connection via USB |
| 16:18.31 | summatusmentis | I had that working for a while, until I got wifi |
| 16:18.38 | Webo | so i dont allow people who could connect to my wifi to access that |
| 16:18.48 | Webo | tanx summatusmentis |
| 16:18.56 | mimecar | you can filter by mac |
| 16:19.04 | mimecar | and nobody will be on your local lan |
| 16:19.05 | Webo | yep and you can spoof mac :P |
| 16:19.15 | Webo | you can break wep |
| 16:19.18 | Webo | spoof mac |
| 16:19.20 | Webo | and be in :P |
| 16:19.25 | mimecar | but is not trivial |
| 16:19.28 | Webo | i know |
| 16:19.30 | Webo | but possible |
| 16:19.39 | Webo | yes, maybe i'm paranoid |
| 16:19.39 | mimecar | another measure: play with the firewall |
| 16:19.40 | Webo | :P |
| 16:19.49 | mimecar | only permit IP connections |
| 16:20.02 | mimecar | with the IP of your lan nodes |
| 16:20.02 | summatusmentis | I wish I had the skills to set something like that up |
| 16:20.13 | Webo | like what? |
| 16:20.18 | mimecar | on pc side, you can use firestarter |
| 16:20.37 | Webo | yes |
| 16:20.39 | mimecar | if "Mr X" can break web, mac spoofing and IP filter |
| 16:20.46 | mimecar | he / she is very dangerous :P |
| 16:20.50 | Webo | haha |
| 16:23.43 | Webo | mimentusmentis |
| 16:23.48 | Webo | i mean |
| 16:23.52 | Webo | summatusmentis, sorry |
| 16:23.57 | Webo | xchat has no autocompletion |
| 16:23.58 | Webo | :S |
| 16:24.03 | mimecar | xDDD |
| 16:24.04 | Webo | the url you gave |
| 16:24.27 | rustre | xchat does have autocompletion |
| 16:24.27 | Webo | ah ok |
| 16:24.31 | Webo | its scroll-down |
| 16:24.35 | Webo | really? |
| 16:24.36 | Webo | where? |
| 16:24.38 | rustre | i'm using them (xchat and auto-completion) ;) |
| 16:24.38 | Webo | :S |
| 16:24.41 | rustre | the tab key ;) |
| 16:24.45 | Webo | ru |
| 16:24.45 | daurnimator | or |
| 16:24.47 | daurnimator | ok |
| 16:24.47 | Webo | nop |
| 16:24.55 | mimecar | gaim is god :) |
| 16:24.56 | Webo | if i tab it selects what is written in the textbox |
| 16:25.05 | Webo | im MACed |
| 16:25.06 | daurnimator | whats cheapest place to get a C3200? |
| 16:25.06 | Webo | :/ |
| 16:25.16 | Webo | daurnimator |
| 16:25.17 | summatusmentis | daurnimator, conics.net or pricejapan.com |
| 16:25.17 | rustre | oh |
| 16:25.21 | Webo | i bought it at conics.net |
| 16:25.23 | summatusmentis | I ordered mine from conics.net |
| 16:25.25 | mimecar | daurnimator: C1000 will be a better option |
| 16:25.30 | Webo | they are efficient |
| 16:25.33 | summatusmentis | hasn't come yet, because of holiday season |
| 16:25.40 | daurnimator | mimecar: why? |
| 16:25.44 | Webo | i orderet it just before that |
| 16:25.46 | summatusmentis | Webo, what about the URL I gave you? |
| 16:25.52 | Webo | nono, its okay |
| 16:26.00 | summatusmentis | ok |
| 16:26.01 | rustre | i'm eager to have a clamshell zaurus with wifi and bluetooth ... |
| 16:26.12 | rustre | but it doesn't exist at the moment, does it? |
| 16:26.17 | mimecar | there's not a zaurus model |
| 16:26.25 | mimecar | with wifi and BT |
| 16:26.31 | rustre | :( |
| 16:26.38 | rustre | i think the SL6000 has wifi |
| 16:26.41 | summatusmentis | you can use CF cards |
| 16:26.48 | rustre | yeah, but they suck |
| 16:26.48 | summatusmentis | rustre, yes, but not clamshell |
| 16:26.50 | mimecar | but it has a high cost |
| 16:26.52 | rustre | and they stick out of the Z :p |
| 16:26.52 | Webo | if sl3200 is expensive... |
| 16:26.58 | mimecar | near 800 on pulster |
| 16:27.03 | daurnimator | mimecar??? |
| 16:27.12 | mimecar | yes ? |
| 16:27.20 | daurnimator | [03:25:12] <mimecar> daurnimator: C1000 will be a better option << why |
| 16:27.30 | summatusmentis | Webo, 3200 is $515 US, 6000 is $700 |
| 16:27.36 | summatusmentis | just as a reference |
| 16:27.47 | mimecar | daurnimator: c3200 is a c1000 with more space |
| 16:27.58 | Webo | i think 515$ is enough |
| 16:27.59 | Webo | xD |
| 16:27.59 | mimecar | c1000 + SD 4 GB will be cheaper than a c3200 |
| 16:28.07 | mimecar | 4 GB vs 6 GB |
| 16:28.10 | daurnimator | what if i want more spacve? |
| 16:28.15 | rustre | and SD eats up less battery ;) |
| 16:28.23 | mimecar | you can use an external hard disk |
| 16:28.24 | daurnimator | but SD will have wifi in it :P |
| 16:28.28 | mimecar | 200 GB for example |
| 16:28.31 | rustre | and you can drop it on the ground with no effect ;) |
| 16:28.32 | Webo | jajajajaja |
| 16:28.39 | summatusmentis | daurnimator, you can't use wifi SD |
| 16:28.47 | daurnimator | no SDIO? |
| 16:28.48 | rustre | daurnimator : does it exist? a SD wifi card? |
| 16:29.00 | Webo | yep |
| 16:29.02 | Webo | it does |
| 16:29.07 | Webo | but at a very high cost |
| 16:29.09 | Webo | :( |
| 16:29.11 | summatusmentis | daurnimator, no, it's possible that the hardware supports it, but no drivers |
| 16:29.11 | daurnimator | also of pdas can take them |
| 16:29.26 | mimecar | you have sd wifi for palm devices |
| 16:29.27 | Webo | storage+wifi |
| 16:29.37 | mimecar | there's CF + wifi |
| 16:29.38 | rustre | I must say, I just LOVE this KO/PI i've just installed on the Z |
| 16:29.39 | daurnimator | btw |
| 16:29.42 | mimecar | and works |
| 16:29.53 | rustre | it's so clever!!! I wonder how I managed to cope without ! |
| 16:29.56 | Webo | whats KO/PI' |
| 16:30.03 | rustre | a PIM |
| 16:30.09 | summatusmentis | there are SDIO cards available, but the Z doesn't currently support SDIO |
| 16:30.10 | hrw | ko/pi is unmaintained pim application |
| 16:30.16 | daurnimator | i saw a new SDIO GPS WITH a micro SD slot |
| 16:30.21 | rustre | a very clever replacement for the standard "calendar" + "todo" of OPIE |
| 16:30.56 | daurnimator | mimecar: how much is a C1000? |
| 16:31.08 | mimecar | 345 on pulster |
| 16:31.14 | summatusmentis | daurnimator, $330 on conics |
| 16:31.23 | daurnimator | cmp to 3200? |
| 16:31.32 | mimecar | 545 on pulster |
| 16:31.40 | daurnimator | wow :S |
| 16:31.43 | rustre | hrw : maybe it's unmaintained, but it seems so finished! and so finished |
| 16:31.45 | summatusmentis | ~$515 on conics |
| 16:31.57 | mimecar | summatusmentis: with vat and transport ? |
| 16:32.13 | summatusmentis | mimecar, what is vat? |
| 16:32.19 | Webo | value added tax |
| 16:32.24 | mimecar | tax |
| 16:32.25 | Webo | direct taxes |
| 16:32.31 | Webo | in spain its 16% |
| 16:32.36 | Webo | for luxury products |
| 16:32.45 | Webo | meaning not neccesary for live |
| 16:32.45 | summatusmentis | I paid a total of $545 including shipping |
| 16:32.51 | summatusmentis | I don't know about the vat |
| 16:33.07 | Webo | for 3200 i paid 485€ with shipping |
| 16:33.21 | Webo | but it was caught in spanish customs |
| 16:33.33 | Webo | and they fucked me deeply with 130€ extra |
| 16:33.38 | Webo | for custom taxes and vat |
| 16:33.43 | Webo | but it's inusual |
| 16:33.46 | daurnimator | ? |
| 16:34.00 | Webo | the postman said that it was because of crhistmas |
| 16:34.05 | daurnimator | thats strange |
| 16:34.05 | daurnimator | can they do that |
| 16:34.07 | Webo | and all the packages sent |
| 16:34.08 | Webo | yes |
| 16:34.10 | Webo | trust me |
| 16:34.22 | summatusmentis | Webo, how do you find that out? |
| 16:34.24 | Webo | theorically you have to pay vat for every article you buy |
| 16:34.43 | Webo | if you buy from outside your country |
| 16:34.48 | Webo | you have to pay taxes to your country |
| 16:34.55 | Webo | so yo dont pay taxes to japan in this case |
| 16:35.01 | Webo | what, summatus? |
| 16:35.14 | summatusmentis | how do you know if customs has flagged your package? |
| 16:35.22 | Webo | haha |
| 16:35.27 | Webo | because when the postman comes |
| 16:35.39 | Webo | he sais... 'okay... so its... 130' |
| 16:35.42 | Webo | € |
| 16:35.46 | summatusmentis | ah, ok |
| 16:35.47 | mimecar | "I must give you a christmas gift" :P |
| 16:35.54 | Webo | and gives you an invoice |
| 16:35.57 | Webo | from customs |
| 16:36.01 | Webo | yep |
| 16:36.07 | summatusmentis | needing to be paid on the spot |
| 16:36.13 | daurnimator | o.o |
| 16:36.20 | daurnimator | you don't pay tax on gifts here |
| 16:36.35 | Webo | lucky you are... |
| 16:36.36 | summatusmentis | Webo, when did you order from conics? |
| 16:36.39 | daurnimator | and only get charged @ customs if goods are $20000 or more |
| 16:36.40 | Webo | hmmm |
| 16:36.47 | Webo | 12dec i think |
| 16:36.47 | Webo | aprox |
| 16:36.52 | Webo | but until 17 it didn ship |
| 16:37.02 | Webo | it took 3 days to arrive here |
| 16:37.10 | Webo | well, here... to spanish customs |
| 16:37.15 | Webo | where it was for 1 week |
| 16:37.18 | summatusmentis | argh, ok, mine won't come until Jan. 8 |
| 16:37.31 | summatusmentis | I don't think |
| 16:37.53 | Webo | it was because of the box |
| 16:37.58 | Webo | i'm sure |
| 16:38.09 | summatusmentis | hrm.... that's not overly reassuring |
| 16:38.12 | summatusmentis | but good to know |
| 16:38.23 | Webo | it had a BIG announce saying:tech equipment: TAXES HERE!!!! |
| 16:39.40 | daurnimator | so |
| 16:39.48 | daurnimator | does zaurus accept SDIO? |
| 16:40.07 | summatusmentis | daurnimator, no, no drivers |
| 16:40.31 | Webo | lets code one :P |
| 16:40.43 | daurnimator | hardware is yes though? |
| 16:40.54 | daurnimator | cause.... i want to get a gps going in there |
| 16:41.19 | mimecar | is there a good software for gps ? |
| 16:41.37 | summatusmentis | daurnimator, it probably is, we're not sure completely |
| 16:41.54 | daurnimator | mimecar: i'm hoping cumulus will do |
| 16:41.58 | summatusmentis | Webo, specs aren't available, or if they are NDA |
| 16:42.01 | mimecar | daurnimator: have you asj on the oesf forums ? |
| 16:42.07 | Webo | inv engineering :P |
| 16:42.08 | Webo | haha |
| 16:42.08 | daurnimator | asj?? |
| 16:42.17 | mimecar | ask |
| 16:42.18 | mimecar | :P |
| 16:42.25 | summatusmentis | Webo, there is no driver, anywhere |
| 16:42.25 | daurnimator | no |
| 16:42.38 | summatusmentis | so even reverse engineering wouldn't work |
| 16:43.17 | Webo | but if there are sd wifi... there should be drivers |
| 16:43.26 | Webo | its nonsense to sell that without any drivers |
| 16:43.26 | summatusmentis | not for the Z |
| 16:43.33 | Webo | oh ok |
| 16:43.49 | Webo | more difficult things have been seen |
| 16:43.49 | mimecar | Webo: you have drivers...for palm o pocket pc devices |
| 16:43.55 | Webo | the ones who put linux into an ipod |
| 16:43.58 | summatusmentis | most of the time, the SD wifi cards just plug into the devices, and the drivers are there |
| 16:44.01 | Webo | did it recording the sound of the proccessor |
| 16:44.11 | Webo | and figuring out what whas it doing |
| 16:44.15 | Webo | based on the noise it made |
| 16:44.23 | mimecar | Webo I have opie running on my palm :) |
| 16:44.40 | Webo | which palm? |
| 16:44.45 | mimecar | TX |
| 16:44.46 | Webo | my father has an acern35 |
| 16:44.50 | summatusmentis | Webo, yes, but they had some form of running kernel I think... |
| 16:44.53 | mimecar | zire71 , ... |
| 16:44.54 | Webo | i'm sick of win |
| 16:44.59 | Webo | you're right |
| 16:45.01 | mimecar | you can run opie on pockect pc |
| 16:45.29 | daurnimator | sure can |
| 16:45.32 | summatusmentis | Webo, how did you track your 3200? |
| 16:45.33 | daurnimator | familar |
| 16:45.42 | mimecar | true |
| 16:45.42 | daurnimator | whats 51730 yen? |
| 16:46.03 | Webo | with track-trace |
| 16:46.30 | summatusmentis | $435.73 |
| 16:46.44 | hrw | ~change 51730 jpy to usd |
| 16:47.08 | summatusmentis | Webo, did you get sent a tracking number or something? I haven't seen anything like that, just a confirmation that my order was processed |
| 16:47.14 | summatusmentis | oh, maybe google is out of date |
| 16:47.24 | daurnimator | yay |
| 16:47.26 | daurnimator | so |
| 16:47.35 | daurnimator | i get a C3200 for $430 |
| 16:47.36 | Webo | summatusmentis, i got it when conics shipped it |
| 16:47.54 | summatusmentis | Webo, but they did send a tracking number? |
| 16:47.58 | Webo | yep |
| 16:48.09 | Webo | hold on a sec ;) |
| 16:48.36 | daurnimator | ~change 51730 jpy to aud |
| 16:48.59 | Webo | summatusmentis, they gave me the tracking number after shipping it |
| 16:49.17 | Webo | i suppose they ask their mail service for a shipment service |
| 16:49.26 | summatusmentis | which was after confimation of payment? |
| 16:49.29 | Webo | and they give a tracking number even if its not sent yet |
| 16:49.36 | Webo | yes, a few days |
| 16:49.49 | Webo | but keep in mind that they are on holiday until jan |
| 16:49.50 | Webo | :/ |
| 16:49.59 | Webo | so, you wont have tracking number until then |
| 16:50.00 | Webo | :( |
| 16:50.02 | summatusmentis | confirmation of payment was on the 19th, which probably means they won't ship until after Jan. 8th |
| 16:50.04 | summatusmentis | bummer |
| 16:50.28 | Webo | yep |
| 16:52.15 | daurnimator | ~change 33800 jpy to aud |
| 16:52.52 | daurnimator | how much is wifi? |
| 16:53.58 | Webo | about 70u$ |
| 16:54.13 | summatusmentis | daurnimator, you can get them cheaper on ebay, I got mine for ~$40 |
| 16:54.15 | daurnimator | fook |
| 16:54.23 | daurnimator | why the hell isn't it inside :S |
| 16:54.35 | summatusmentis | Japanese market |
| 16:54.36 | mimecar | daurnimator: if you want wifi and BT |
| 16:54.41 | mimecar | buy a nokia 770 |
| 16:55.07 | daurnimator | too ugly |
| 16:55.12 | Webo | cant i create a 5.7 gb filesystem? |
| 16:55.14 | daurnimator | i'd be afraid to take it outside |
| 16:55.15 | Webo | :o |
| 16:55.20 | Webo | hahahaha |
| 16:55.23 | Webo | no keyboard |
| 16:55.25 | Webo | that sucks |
| 16:55.32 | daurnimator | that too |
| 16:55.40 | daurnimator | ... web browser, no keyboard = sucks |
| 16:56.15 | daurnimator | well... 3200 is 51730Yen. 1000 is 33800 Yen |
| 16:56.55 | Webo | i should be able to create a 5.7 gb vfat fs, shouldnt i? |
| 16:57.36 | mimecar | on fat16 no |
| 16:57.46 | Webo | what the...? |
| 16:57.48 | mimecar | I think there's a 4 GB limit |
| 16:57.51 | mimecar | FAT != FAT32 |
| 16:57.58 | Webo | i know |
| 16:57.58 | Webo | xD |
| 16:58.09 | Webo | its been a long time since the last time i used fat :S |
| 16:58.11 | Webo | xDDD |
| 16:58.18 | daurnimator | well |
| 16:58.28 | daurnimator | i just hope someone can get this sort of card to work: http://www.expansys.com.au/p.aspx?i=124054 |
| 16:58.55 | mimecar | daurnimator: why don't you use a wifi cf card ? |
| 16:59.19 | daurnimator | it sticks out alot? |
| 16:59.36 | hrw | depends on card |
| 16:59.45 | mimecar | you have cf card working actually |
| 16:59.56 | hrw | no sdio support for now |
| 16:59.56 | mimecar | mine for example |
| 17:03.31 | mimecar | can openzaurus work with fat32 = |
| 17:05.22 | daurnimator | oh well |
| 17:05.24 | daurnimator | night all |
| 17:05.41 | mimecar | night ? |
| 17:05.45 | mimecar | what time is it daurnimator? |
| 17:06.12 | daurnimator | 4:05am |
| 17:06.19 | Webo | uf |
| 17:06.27 | Webo | yep, its a good time for goig to bed |
| 17:06.28 | Webo | :P |
| 17:08.13 | mimecar | uos |
| 17:08.30 | mimecar | daurnimator: unplug the ***** computer and go to bed ;) |
| 17:09.16 | daurnimator | this doesn't get unplugged |
| 17:09.18 | daurnimator | ever |
| 17:09.22 | summatusmentis | mimecar, OZ will be able to read and write fat32 |
| 17:09.27 | summatusmentis | no symlinks though |
| 17:09.38 | mimecar | symlinks is a extx option |
| 17:09.47 | summatusmentis | right |
| 17:09.53 | mimecar | daurnimator: stop tje download of source code :P |
| 17:16.08 | Webo | see you later |
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| 17:42.26 | summatusmentis | is it possible to encrypt the HD on the Z? |
| 17:42.43 | mimecar | I don't know |
| 17:43.01 | mimecar | on linux you can use truecrypt, |
| 17:43.14 | summatusmentis | hrm... it can be done w/ linux, so presumably it'd be doable.... |
| 17:43.16 | mimecar | kernel source + source code = mount encrypted system |
| 17:43.20 | mimecar | yes |
| 17:43.44 | summatusmentis | so it'd require a special OZ kernel |
| 17:44.06 | summatusmentis | and the kernel is stored in the flash on the C3x00 models right? |
| 17:50.16 | mimecar | is not a special kernel |
| 17:50.24 | mimecar | is the usual kernel with a module compiled |
| 17:52.26 | summatusmentis | ok, but it would need to be recompiled right? or can you just make an add-in module? |
| 17:52.39 | mimecar | you must recompile |
| 17:52.48 | mimecar | always this program can run on zaurus |
| 17:52.53 | mimecar | without extra elements |
| 17:56.55 | summatusmentis | I'm sorry, can you rephrase that? |
| 17:58.33 | mimecar | yes |
| 17:58.45 | mimecar | Truecrypt must be compiled as a kernel module |
| 17:59.03 | mimecar | you need, the kernel source and some programs, such as gcc |
| 17:59.17 | mimecar | if you have both elements, you compile a kernel module |
| 17:59.35 | mimecar | loading the kernel module, you can use encrypt file systems |
| 17:59.44 | mimecar | better ? |
| 18:02.25 | summatusmentis | ok, yes |
| 18:05.00 | Goggy | Anyone know when/if the wiki will be back? |
| 18:06.59 | mimecar | the openzaurus wiki ? |
| 18:10.03 | Goggy | Yeah |
| 18:10.15 | mimecar | I don't know :( |
| 18:10.21 | mimecar | have you try the google cache ? |
| 18:10.27 | summatusmentis | I didn't know it was down |
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| 19:13.18 | Goggy | pocketworkstation seems hard to install under the current OZ :| |
| 19:15.06 | summatusmentis | Goggy: why pocketworkstation? |
| 19:16.10 | Goggy | Thought I'd try something new. |
| 19:16.38 | mimecar | what's pocket.... |
| 19:16.46 | Goggy | http://wiki.debian.org/PocketWorkstation |
| 19:17.28 | mimecar | ok |
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| 20:10.02 | hrw | someone here use OZ/opie and want to test one thing for me? |
| 20:11.01 | mimecar | hrw: after dinner |
| 20:11.21 | hrw | ok |
| 20:11.21 | mimecar | about 23:00 more or less, |
| 20:11.50 | mimecar | I can test on collie |
| 20:13.08 | hrw | ipkg install http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/t/konq/konqueror-embedded_20030705-r4_arm.ipk |
| 20:13.13 | hrw | and test does it works |
| 20:13.47 | mimecar | I have opie 3.5.4.0 without updates |
| 20:13.53 | mimecar | do I need extra packages ? |
| 20:14.03 | hrw | should work rather |
| 20:14.09 | mimecar | ok |
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| 21:33.24 | mimecar | re |
| 21:35.38 | hrw | qm |
| 21:35.55 | mimecar | hrw: give some minutes while I reflash zaurus |
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| 21:36.51 | mimecar | hi marcan |
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| 21:37.33 | hrw | ok mimecar |
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| 21:39.19 | Thaiger | I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong or not, but I keep having problems eith opie that I don't seem to find in gorums or anything like that |
| 21:39.31 | summatusmentis | Thaiger: what's going on? |
| 21:39.38 | summatusmentis | I don't use opie, so bear w/ me |
| 21:39.45 | mimecar | gorums ? |
| 21:39.54 | summatusmentis | forums I assume |
| 21:40.11 | Thaiger | for example I can't format an SD card to anything other than fat |
| 21:40.21 | mimecar | on opie ? |
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| 21:40.24 | mimecar | open a console |
| 21:40.26 | mimecar | su - |
| 21:40.27 | mimecar | pass |
| 21:40.31 | mimecar | mkfs.ext2 .... |
| 21:40.36 | Thaiger | I did |
| 21:40.37 | hrw | Thaiger: ipkg install e2fsprogs* |
| 21:41.07 | Thaiger | my main computer runs debian so I know the regular *nix stuff |
| 21:41.25 | mimecar | ok |
| 21:41.35 | Thaiger | but it stops at 11/15 or 12/15 on the inode tables |
| 21:41.54 | Thaiger | on ext2 and ext3 |
| 21:42.10 | mimecar | have you an external card reader ? |
| 21:42.16 | mimecar | one moment |
| 21:42.37 | Thaiger | well not on my deb box |
| 21:42.59 | Thaiger | Ive got a win32 box with an IDE reader tho |
| 21:46.02 | mimecar | you can use gnuwin32 on windows |
| 21:46.18 | mimecar | an error on the inode table is not good |
| 21:46.30 | mimecar | it's posible your card is break |
| 21:46.36 | Thaiger | thats the odd thing, no error |
| 21:46.40 | Thaiger | it just stops |
| 21:47.07 | hrw | what does 'dmesg' say? |
| 21:47.14 | Thaiger | It'll just sit there forever, but vfat or fat works fine |
| 21:47.22 | Thaiger | nothing in dmesg |
| 21:48.13 | Thaiger | brand new card too |
| 21:48.35 | hrw | no idea then |
| 21:48.53 | mimecar | Thaiger: can your ide card reader work on linux ? |
| 21:50.17 | Thaiger | Can't take it out and can't install linux, I share that box |
| 21:50.43 | Thaiger | gnuwin32 package listing doesn't have mkfs either |
| 21:50.48 | hrw | usb card readers are <15EUR |
| 21:50.55 | mimecar | are you sure ? |
| 21:51.17 | Thaiger | not that I could find at least |
| 21:51.31 | mimecar | problem is on cad or on the zaurus reader |
| 21:51.45 | mimecar | card |
| 21:52.03 | mimecar | or try another rom on the zaurus and re-format |
| 21:52.46 | Thaiger | The whole reason I want to format the SD i so I can run opie and gpe |
| 21:53.02 | Thaiger | since gpe doesn't have iwconfig and such |
| 21:53.03 | Goggy | whats the partition table like on the card? |
| 21:53.20 | Goggy | I have a SD card that has to have a FAT partition table that I format as ext2 |
| 21:53.21 | mimecar | Thaiger: you have a gui for the wifi |
| 21:53.23 | Goggy | its strange but it works. |
| 21:53.36 | Thaiger | I made it one big linux part |
| 21:53.36 | mimecar | I'm using it currently |
| 21:54.03 | Thaiger | I know about the gui but I like iwconfig :) |
| 21:54.32 | mimecar | ok |
| 21:54.32 | Thaiger | I'll try the fat part formatted ext |
| 21:54.51 | mimecar | Thaiger: can you paste the command you use to format ? |
| 21:55.26 | mimecar | hrw: will konqueror fit on 1.3 MB ? |
| 21:55.52 | Thaiger | mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 21:56.19 | mimecar | what's your zaurus model ? |
| 21:56.28 | mimecar | I have mmcda for the sd card |
| 21:56.51 | hrw | mimecar: probably not |
| 21:57.26 | mimecar | ok, let's move to sd |
| 21:58.16 | Thaiger | Also sometimes I'll look at the card in fdisk and then it won't show any partitions |
| 21:59.03 | mimecar | why don't you remove all the partitions with fdisk |
| 21:59.07 | mimecar | and recreate it ? |
| 21:59.31 | hrw | shit.. I wanted to check this konq on spitz.. |
| 21:59.45 | hrw | but then discovered that spitz runs umbaumba 17.3 not OZ |
| 22:00.14 | summatusmentis | umbaumba? |
| 22:01.01 | hrw | umbaumba 17.3 is my private distro built from .dev |
| 22:01.15 | hrw | partially compatible with OZ 3.5.4.1+ |
| 22:01.22 | Thaiger | I have repartioned a few times actually |
| 22:01.44 | mimecar | have you a photo camera ? |
| 22:01.55 | summatusmentis | hrw: oh, interesting |
| 22:02.15 | Thaiger | digicam is CF |
| 22:03.00 | mimecar | and format it as fat16 on windows ? |
| 22:03.10 | mimecar | removing all the partitions |
| 22:03.57 | Thaiger | mimecar: done it, give me a minute and I'll do it again |
| 22:04.41 | mimecar | ok |
| 22:05.13 | Thaiger | OK formatted it on win as fat16 |
| 22:05.33 | mimecar | insert it on zaurus |
| 22:05.37 | mimecar | cat /proc/partitions |
| 22:07.39 | Thaiger | ok, is there a pastebot where I can paste it? |
| 22:07.47 | mimecar | no idea |
| 22:08.26 | mimecar | you only need some lines |
| 22:08.30 | Thaiger | well theres mtdblock0 - mtdblock3 |
| 22:08.54 | mimecar | only? |
| 22:09.30 | Thaiger | major minor #blocks name 31 0 6848 mtdblock0 31 1 7168 mtdblock1 31 2 59392 mtdblock2 31 3 64512 mtdblock3 |
| 22:09.45 | mimecar | with sd inserted ? |
| 22:10.03 | Thaiger | yeah |
| 22:10.06 | Thaiger | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.22 | Thaiger | 31 1 7168 mtdblock1 |
| 22:10.24 | mimecar | I have hd, hda1 and mmcda |
| 22:10.37 | mimecar | hrw: I can't move the system to sd now |
| 22:10.38 | Thaiger | 31 2 59392 mtdblock2 |
| 22:10.56 | hrw | mimecar: ok |
| 22:10.57 | Thaiger | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.07 | mimecar | I'll try tomorrow |
| 22:11.18 | mimecar | altboot doesn't want mount my sd card |
| 22:12.02 | Thaiger | that why I'm formating, so altboot can mount it :) |
| 22:12.52 | mimecar | there was an error with the mount scripts, wasn't it ? |
| 22:13.33 | Thaiger | oh, the sd wasnt mounted, I also have mmcblk0 |
| 22:17.16 | Thaiger | I guess Ill flash to gpe and try again |
| 22:17.43 | Thaiger | thanks again guys! |
| 22:18.03 | Goggy | Yikes I hope ipkg update works :| I think my 5500 has stalled out on libqte and thats a bad thing to not have. |
| 22:19.01 | mimecar | with gpe |
| 22:19.09 | mimecar | I lost my wifi card after upgrade :P |
| 22:19.22 | hrw | mimecar: #836? |
| 22:19.45 | mimecar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.09 | hrw | can you check does you have hostap-conf installed? |
| 22:20.30 | mimecar | I have opie on flash memory |
| 22:20.41 | mimecar | and no gpe image file near :( |
| 22:20.57 | hrw | on device I mean |
| 22:21.20 | mimecar | I have opie on flash |
| 22:23.43 | hrw | 'ipkg info hostap-conf' |
| 22:23.58 | mimecar | Do i test on opie ? |
| 22:24.32 | hrw | 29 23:21 < mimecar> I lost my wifi card after upgrade :P |
| 22:24.44 | hrw | so do me a favour: 'ipkg info hostap-conf' |
| 22:25.01 | mimecar | I had that problem on gpe |
| 22:25.09 | mimecar | after upgrade the system |
| 22:25.20 | mimecar | I should flash gpe |
| 22:25.22 | hrw | ah. |
| 22:32.29 | mimecar | night all |
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| 22:54.11 | Thaiger | I feel like such a noob :(, I reflashed to GPE to see if it would do some of the stuff I had trouble doing in opie, but now I can't even get online, I set the essid in the network config and the key, but the little wifi monitor still says essid Unknown. I do OK in debian and stuff so its not the fact that its linux that gets me, but both opie and gpe are giving me lots of trouble. |
| 22:55.48 | Goggy | what happends if you just do a iwconfig wlan0 from a shell? |
| 22:55.57 | Goggy | does it show the correct essid there? |
| 22:56.08 | Thaiger | no iwconfig in gpe |
| 22:56.23 | Thaiger | at least for me =) |
| 22:56.30 | Goggy | Really? its not just in a wierd path or something? |
| 22:57.22 | Thaiger | hm... I guess you're right |
| 22:57.23 | Thaiger | oddness |
| 22:57.36 | Thaiger | If I login as root, its there, but not if I su |
| 22:57.47 | Goggy | paths |
| 22:57.49 | Goggy | do a su - |
| 22:57.50 | Thaiger | I feel stupid :( |
| 23:03.56 | Goggy | I've reflashed more than I care to admit in the last week, dont worry about it. |
| 23:04.09 | Goggy | I'm trying to get weird stuff working on my 5500 and its starting to get frustrating. |
| 23:22.57 | Thaiger | Sorry got an SL-C1000 myself, but I understand the reflashing! |
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