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00:10.42alviseJustinP, well ... image eng password ?
00:10.48alviseJustinP, x works ;)
00:10.55JustinPwhat? password?
00:11.02JustinPthe root password is empty
00:11.11alvisemmm ..
00:11.32alviseJustinP, there are flashes.. is it normal ?
00:11.41JustinPit's what I've noticed, yes
00:11.42alviseJustinP, empty passwd doesn't work
00:11.45JustinPdon't know why it happens
00:11.49JustinPit works on my system
00:12.00JustinPsounds like you're getting the "e refuses to start" problem
00:12.03JustinPworks fine for me
00:13.13alviseJustinP, could be the flashes break the monitor ?
00:13.13JustinPyou're killing my internet connection....
00:13.25JustinPhow the hell are the bot sfinding these pages???
00:13.31alviseJustinP, ok.. i' downloading gpe image
00:13.47alviseJustinP, break the download
00:14.00alviseJustinP, if u want
00:14.05alviseJustinP, ?
00:14.31JustinPjust let me know when you're done
00:14.51alviseJustinP, ok. thx.
00:15.06alviseJustinP, sure about root password ? :|
00:15.48JustinPabsolutely
00:16.08JustinPif it was wrong it would show you
00:16.17JustinPI suggest rebooting and trying again
00:16.22JustinPit *should* work...
00:16.41alviseJustinP, ok
00:16.47JustinPI wish someone would look into it. I can't debug it if it doesn't happen to me...
00:18.38alviseJustinP, ... mm doesn't work the passwd :(  i'm using your angstrom e17 image
00:19.50JustinPdoes entrance blink red or does it blink a lot, then come back?
00:20.10alviseblink a lot then come back
00:20.17alviseblink for 3-4 secs
00:20.17JustinPthen the password works fine
00:20.28JustinPe-wm is not starting for some damn reason
00:21.09JustinPI can't help you....others have noticed the same problem but I don't see it
00:21.24alviseJustinP, ghhg.. little bit unstable ..well.. feeds are unstable then it's normal.. It's better for me to install oz bye now..
00:21.27alviseJustinP, thanks !
00:21.55JustinPOMGF! another damn robot is on my site!
00:22.02JustinPwhat is making me so popular all of a sudden?
00:22.10JustinPat least it's pulling tobots.txt...
00:22.40alviseJustinP, finish downloading gpe.. thx
00:22.47joerg_dhr: it's fucked up :P
00:22.54joerg_dhr: q-tips don't help ;)
00:23.58dhrjoerg_: remember that my advice was from an amateur (software is my specialty).  It was just meant to be non-dangerous and possibly useful.  There might be other approaches.
00:24.37joerg_dhr: he he, yes I know...
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00:24.56joerg_dhr: but the other approaches will more expensive than a new Z :P
00:30.54dhrIn the worst case, consider opening it up and looking for goo to clean up.  I don't actually know if it comes apart cleanly (or, more importantly, goes together cleanly).
00:31.26summatusmentisJustinP: how long has your site been up?
00:32.00JustinPsummatusmentis: quite a while
00:32.09JustinPsummatusmentis: I think there's a crawling war going on
00:32.12summatusmentisand you've never been indexed before?
00:32.37JustinPoh, I have
00:32.46JustinPthey're just going crazy right now
00:32.51summatusmentiswhy would there be an indexing war? that doesn't make any sense
00:33.57summatusmentismaybe I don't understand enough about it
00:36.30summatusmentisJustinP: zImage and gnu-tar aren't image specific are they?
00:36.35summatusmentisjust hdimage1?
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00:45.01summatusmentisjoerg_: agreed :-D
00:45.24dhrjeorg_ must have fallen asleep on keyboard.
00:45.58_charly_be quiet, i'm sure he has some nice dreams :)
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00:48.44tomahello
00:49.52tomai'm deciding about buying a C3200. I'm also author of a kde based mail application. Can I run it on it?
00:50.34summatusmentistoma: unlikely, unless you do stuff to the code
00:50.44summatusmentisonly X based version for the 3200 is gtk based
00:51.04summatusmentisand qt doesn't have X
00:51.11tomahmm, what about this opie thing then?
00:51.35tomaif i strip the kde things out so it is qt based?
00:51.35dhropie is qt on framebuffer, not X
00:51.54JustinPtoma: yes, you can, but you may have to get the libraries you're using in OE first
00:52.16JustinPtoma: OZ/OE supports X but doesn't have kde libs in it I think
00:52.24JustinPwe do have an X version of qt
00:52.39dhr(whole story is more complicated: opie is based on qtopia, which was based on an older qt, but reduced for palmtops etc.)
00:52.58JustinPsummatusmentis: kernel is distro specific, not image
00:53.30joerg_LOL
00:53.32joerg_sorry
00:53.44tomaok, so for that to run i would more likely go for the debian arm port, not for openzaurus, right?
00:53.55joerg_a screw fell into my keyboard
00:54.08dhrnot a citrus fruit?
00:54.41summatusmentisJustinP: I meant, is hdimage specific to gpe or opie?
00:54.46JustinPtoma: we'd be happy to support you, I just don't know how many of the libraries you're using are in OE. It shouldn't be hard to add them.
00:54.59JustinPsummatusmentis: of course the hdimage is. not zimage, though.
00:55.15summatusmentisJustinP: yeah, and gnu-tar and updater.sh aren't either?
00:55.26dhrtoma: there is even an openbsd port.  But the maturity level of it isn't known to me.
00:55.30tomaJustinP: what is OE?
00:56.11summatusmentistoma: Open Embedded
00:56.50summatusmentisa cross compile env
00:56.50tomaah
00:56.50tomalet me read up on thta
00:57.44summatusmentiswww.openembedded.org
00:57.48JustinPit's an entire build and distro creation system, not just a cross compile environment
00:57.53JustinPsummatusmentis: yes
00:57.59summatusmentisah, pardon me, thanks JustinP
00:59.59tomaoki, so that's what i can use to build the packages with
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01:05.56tomathat means i can try it already ;-)
01:08.05joerg_anybody ever opened a collie?
01:09.35JustinPyep
01:12.50tomathanks all
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01:16.34joerg_JustinP: can you give me a hint?
01:16.45joerg_JustinP: I got all the screws out
01:16.52joerg_and it still doesnt open
01:17.52joerg_6 "main screws" and 4 from the keyboard drawer
01:18.04JustinPit took a little prying
01:18.21JustinPmake sure the screws are our from beneath the battery and around it (if you can find any)
01:18.54JustinPthen I had to stick a screwdriver between the edges and pry a bit to get it started
01:20.43joerg_hmm, the problem is that the sd card slot side moves well...
01:20.48joerg_but the other one doesn't
01:21.23JustinPI think it sortof booked open....
01:21.29joerg_ah, ok...
01:21.43joerg_you don't have to remove the keyboard, have you?
01:24.35JustinPI don't thjink so
01:32.32joerg_JustinP: hmm...the button blocks...;)
01:33.03joerg_bottom
01:33.05joerg_sry
01:33.55JustinPI think you have the take off the sliding thing
01:34.06JustinPit was a pain to get off and more of a pain to put back on, but....
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01:50.14joerg_JustinP: hmm....now it's just the power port that hangs ;)
01:50.27joerg_JustinP: is there any screw I might not have seen?
01:52.16JustinPmake sure to check in the batteyr compartment
01:52.27JustinPother than that just be gentle...
01:53.19joerg_JustinP: are there more than three screws in the battery comp?
01:53.34JustinPI doubt it but I don't remember honestly
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02:49.15alviseguys why there ins't a vnc client for x11 zaurus ?
02:49.28alviseI mean.. just in binaries
02:54.58JustinPalvise: I answered that before....
02:56.34alviseJustinP, yes ? To me ?.. sorry.. i' have forgotten..
02:56.45alviseJustinP, i'm trying to much packages.. ;)
02:57.00alviseJustinP, may you repeat why please ?
03:01.21dhr<JustinP> because no one has put it into OE?
03:01.22dhr<JustinP> there are recipes for tightvnc and vnc
03:01.22dhr<JustinP> don't know if they build
03:03.52alvisetbx
03:04.01JustinPthey almost certainly require full X and in general we distribute diet-x11
03:04.13JustinPyep, they both fail to build for me right now
03:04.30alviseJustinP :( ..... opie has that :(
03:04.39alvisei know.. is not x11
03:05.56JustinPthey could probably be fixed....just no one has done it
03:06.58alviseJustinP, good luck
03:07.06JustinPheh
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03:08.17alviseJustinP,  on the oz feed there isn't apache  server, .... have u got it compiled for oz ?
03:10.40JustinPit probably also fails
03:12.30JustinPyeah, vnc is still failing. Possibly a dependency problem
03:12.44alviseJustinP, ok , no prob :(   Apache ?
03:12.54alvise:)
03:13.29JustinPnope
03:13.34JustinPit's set to only build natively
03:13.43JustinPcould probably be fixed but no one has done it yet apparently
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03:14.01alvisewith build natively you mean build on zaurus ?
03:14.03JustinPI fixed emacs to cross-compile and man was that one a beast...
03:14.24alviseJustinP, great !
03:15.10JustinPthat was a while ago
03:15.20JustinPnot really interested in fixing apache right now
03:15.28JustinPmany other things to do :-|
03:15.39alviseJustinP, gaim msn protocol ? :)
03:15.39alviseghgh
03:19.32JustinPsorry, no idea
03:19.42JustinPI suggest you start digging in :-)
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03:44.53alviseJustinP, if you want i'v compiled apache 1.3 and it works ;)
03:45.04alviseJustinP, 1.3.37
03:50.23JustinPlocally?
03:50.29alviseJustinP, yes ...
03:50.53JustinPif you want to make an ipk out of it you can try submitting it for the feeds
03:51.15JustinPI don't really need apache myself
03:51.33alviseJustinP, ok.. try to do a ipkd
03:51.36alviseipkg
03:56.06JustinPipkg-utils may be useful
03:56.32dhrJustinP: in general, what is the problem: stupid makefiles not designed to be cross-compiled?  I can imagine Emacs wants to run to compile the lisp and then do a dump (if I remember correctly) -- that would not be cross-friendly.
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03:57.52JustinPdhr: yes, there are many makefiles which are not cross-compile friendly
03:58.22dhrdo you pass your fixes upstream?  I really think that should be considered a bug.
03:58.29JustinPdhr: and yes, emacs compiles temacs (tiny emacs), then compiles all of the el files, loads them, and does a dump
03:58.55JustinPdhr: I did some hackery to have emacs use qemu to run temacs. Takes forever to build now.
03:59.06dhrwow.
03:59.09JustinPdhr: yes, we try to send stuff upstream
04:01.22dhrI'm not sure what emacs would be like on the Z.  I've not figured out how to type C-X, for example.
04:01.36dhralso, it is a bit fat.
04:03.25dhrMy editor of choice for the last 20+ years has been JOVE, a small emacs subset.  (It runs on 7th edition UNIX with 64K limit on code and 64k on data).
04:04.27john_doeHow can I overclock a C3200 openzaurus-3.5.4 with the default kernel? Can't I just cat a string to a certain file in /proc? Do I need to download a kernel or packages?
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04:10.00JustinPdhr: it works just fine. I have ctrl on my C3000. ;-)
04:10.16JustinPjohn_doe: I don't know if we support that or not.
04:11.55NAbyssjohn_doe: You'd need to enable cpufreq support in the kernel config for the Z.. take a prod around org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux
04:12.54john_doeJustinP: NAbyss: Thanks!
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04:25.13alviseJustinP, after some request httpd crash
04:25.20alviseJustinP, crashed
04:27.41summatusmentisthere's no way to get opie games in e17 is there?
04:29.47alviseJustinP, NAbyss : xcircuit could be compile ??? Could be great ! I'm a telecommunication engineering's student... and this tool is very useful
04:31.44alviseif someone of you may try to compile it with oe could be great ! .. I'm trying in native... but i don't think it's compile in it.
04:32.39NAbyssalvise: Take a look at a few of the other .bb files, and see if you can write one for xcircuit.. if you have any luck, submit it to the bugtracker as a patch :)
04:34.28alviseNAbyss, i'll try (native not compiling)
04:35.45NAbyssalvise: You might be missing the build dependencies for it.. usually ./configure will tell you what libraries are missing
04:40.33JustinPalvise: note the -dev packages
04:40.43JustinPsummatusmentis: opie is not compatible with X
04:42.43summatusmentisJustinP: I realize that, I didn't know if there was something like a backwards xqt2
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04:44.24JustinPsummatusmentis: wouldn't be easily possible, opie runs directly on the framebuffer
04:44.45JustinPsummatusmentis: it should be possible to port opie apps over, of course
04:46.43summatusmentisJustinP: ok, thanks
04:51.30summatusmentisok, stupid question, how do I change the login name for e17? it's set to root, and not changing...
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05:09.03alviseJustinP, hecking for X... no
05:09.03alvisechecking for XtToolkitInitialize in -lXt... no
05:09.19alvisebut I have installed libx11-dev
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05:24.06JustinPalvise: check the configure script to see what it's checking for
05:24.30JustinPsummatusmentis: you should be able to click or shift-tab I would think...
05:24.37JustinPsummatusmentis: or enter a bad password for root
05:31.20alviseJustinP, should ssh -X works on openzaurus ??
05:31.50alviseJustinP, i have not a linux server to try with now
05:32.10NAbyssalvise: No, because the mini ssh variant included in OZ doesn't support X forwarding.. you need to install openssh
05:32.39alviseNAbyss, you mean oz openssh  package ?
05:33.14NAbyssalvise: yep
05:34.56alviseNAbyss, thx :D This is a good news, last thing.. gpe music player that reproduce mp3 "normally" (xmms, vlc plays mp3s slowly)
05:40.25JustinPgmpc is an X player
05:40.27JustinPalso glurp
05:42.48alviseJustinP, thx
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06:27.33alviseJustinP, may you reload your server please , wget doesn't dowload all the image (gpe image) don't know why ! :|
06:31.33JustinPI thought you said you were done....
06:31.39JustinPI removed the images
06:31.44JustinPfrom the webserver
06:35.33alviseJustinP, ok no probs
06:36.03alviseJustinP, is there on oz a power point files reader ?
06:38.10JustinPno idea
06:40.08alviseJustinP, now i try to run openoffice on Z ...ghghhgh
06:40.15alviseJustinP, It's a joke..
06:40.17alvise;)
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06:41.36paroneayeaso, neither the download nor the install page seems to be up
06:41.54paroneayeawell, install is up in the wiki I suppose
06:42.00paroneayeabut still no download page:
06:42.17JustinP?
06:42.33paroneayeahttp://openzaurus.org/wordpress/downloads/
06:42.35paroneayeasee?
06:43.13JustinPand where di dyou get that URL?
06:43.18JustinPI don't see it listed
06:43.21paroneayeahttp://wiki.openzaurus.org/Collie/Install
06:43.28JustinPah
06:43.32paroneayea;)
06:43.35JustinPwell, it's pointing to the wrong place
06:43.39JustinPgo to openzaurus.org
06:43.41alviseparoneayea, http://openzaurus.linuxtogo.org/download/
06:43.43JustinPand choose a release
06:43.49paroneayeasweet
06:43.51paroneayeathx
06:44.28alviseparoneayea, ;)
06:45.14paroneayeaso I hear that the new way of doing things is to have /usr/ /etc/ and /home/ on an sd card
06:55.39alviseparoneayea, ?
06:56.19paroneayeaah.  Well looks like it's the whole root filesystem (I've got a collie).
06:56.30paroneayeaseems there are a lot of broken links now
06:56.39paroneayeahttp://wiki.openzaurus.org/HowTos/Root_Filesystem_on_external_media <- first link on here too
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07:34.49alviseJustinP, re
07:35.33alviseJustinP, please...may you recompile the angstrom E image ? Could be the right time......
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07:57.49alviseJustinP, retried... and works ;)
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08:25.45paroneayeahttp://openzaurus.linuxtogo.org/download/3.5.4/images/collie/gpe-image-3.5.4-collie.initrd.bin.md5 fails at coming with gpe
08:25.52paroneayeaunless I am mistaken somehow
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09:01.12paroneayeaah
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14:29.40summatusmentishow do I change the default user in the e17 login stage? I logged in a root the first time, and now it won't let me login as user
14:30.05summatusmentisthe login name field is greyed out
14:31.00summatusmentiswow... nevermind, I just fixed it by giving the wrong password
14:33.07summatusmentisbut now it's not letting me login
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15:09.44alvisere all
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17:26.21paroneayeaI'm about to by a CF wifi card for this thing... anyone have any good suggestions?
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17:48.05alvisere
17:48.28alviseare there not iptables kernel modules on OZ 3.5.4.1 ??
17:49.17alvisei didn't find a "kernel-module" package in OZ feeds
17:49.58alvisekernel 2.6
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17:51.43alviseJustinP, ?
17:52.57alvise:(.. iptables..
18:01.35alvisehrw: re
18:01.57alvisehrw, know why there aren't kernel 2.6 modules for iptables ? :|
18:02.10hrwbecause they were not enabled
18:02.18alvisehrw, :(
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18:35.47polyonymousargh... my opie dies when I hit 'home' on borzoi. Is it known to the public yet?
18:43.09polyonymoushmm... when I qcop QPE/Launcher 'home()' opie also segfaults...
18:44.18lardmanbye chaps
18:45.50summatusmentismy 3200 doesn't login in on e17, using entrance, it acts like it's going to, and then drops me back into the login manager
18:52.17JustinPsummatusmentis: that's a known issue but I have no idea why it happens. It doesn't happen on my spitz. Try reinstalling e-wm.
18:52.32JustinPpolyonymous: open a bug if one isn't already opened (bugs.openembedded.org)
18:53.26polyonymousJustinP, my machine is so screwed that I don't feel like opening a bug for it, it may be my thing. Just thought I'd ask if it's known. I'll play around to see where it comes from then now...
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19:22.38summatusmentishow do I force a downgrade?
19:23.11JustinPipkg -help
19:24.04summatusmentisheh.. touche
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19:46.14YoGhas anyone found a way to transfer large files over the usb network without crashing the interface?
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19:48.46JustinPYoG: I suspect you're using a collie
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19:57.14pgfellerYoG: how large is "a large" file?
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20:04.39YoGJustinP: I'm using a boxer
20:05.28JustinPYoG: ah, then I don't know.
20:05.40pgfellerYoG: the largest file I´ve transfered to my collie was w wikipedia dump (~500 MB) with scp ... did you try scp?
20:05.41YoGpgfeller: now, for example, I'm trying to transfer 140MB - i'm using wget and it crashes every 10, 15MB
20:05.58pgfellerYoG: I recommend to give scp a try
20:06.17YoGpgfeller, I tried scp, but wget has the wonderful -c option
20:06.18kollasouns like a window problem, if scp works
20:06.55pgfellerYoG: no iudea what the -c does - what is its advantage?
20:07.19kolla--continue
20:07.21kolla:)
20:07.40pgfellerYoG: so you had interruptions with scp as well?
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20:09.18pgfellerYoG: so you had interruptions with scp as well?
20:09.22YoG-c continues from the last point wget stopped, which is a great advantage in my situation (sorry if I'm repeating my self)
20:09.52YoGpgfeller, I tried winscp which had the same problem
20:10.21YoGI also used scp from within vmware (don't know if it counts) both caused a crash
20:10.28pgfellerYoG: then I tend to agree that the common problem seems to be windows :-) ...
20:10.40pgfellerYoG: can you try a linux live cd to transfer the file?
20:11.33YoGI can connect it to an ubuntu machine, but will it recognize the Z?
20:11.47pgfellerYoG: do you connect via usb?
20:11.52YoGyup
20:12.04YoGwhen I use the wifi, I don't have the problem
20:12.57pgfellerYoG: ... mhh - some configuration work will be necessary I think to connect via usb to ubuntu - but I think it is docomented in the wikis/howtos
20:13.18pgfellerYoG: but it sounds more & more like a weakness in the M$-Windows USB driver implementation
20:13.32pgfellerYoG: for your device
20:14.15YoGpgfeller, do you think there is a solution (for windoze)?
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20:15.43pgfellerYoG: mhhh ... maybe there are some timeout parameters for the networkstack on device side which could be changed ... - but I think that is something for a dev. - & I'm none :-(
20:16.35pgfellerYoG: you could try to catch the chatter to the device, - maybe this gives a hint what happens
20:16.37YoGpgfeller, well - you seem to understand in that more than me... ;-)
20:17.09YoGpgfeller, which means?
20:17.26YoGpgfeller, whats the "chatter"?
20:17.43pgfellerYoG: e.g. "etherreal" or a similar program can record the communication on the interface
20:18.13pgfellerYoG: maybe we can see if it is kind of a timing problem -& maybe this doesn help @ all
20:18.47pgfellerYoG: do you have sd, or cf card for your device?
20:18.57YoGpgfeller, all I know about it is that I used some inf file from the forums, and that (i think) the same one as for linux...
20:19.06YoGpgfeller: both
20:19.17pgfellerYoG: why not use them to transfer your files?
20:20.01YoGI don't have a card reader, though I start to think about that...
20:20.40pgfellerYoG: they are quite cheap ... so I think this might be an easy work arround
20:21.57YoGpgfeller, yes, I might do that
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