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| 15:52.28 | summatusmentis | is anyone around? |
| 15:53.47 | summatusmentis | I was having trouble writing to /tmp/orbit for firefox, so I removed the symlink /tmp and /var/tmp(where it was linked to), and recreated /tmp |
| 15:53.58 | summatusmentis | then, when I rebooted, /tmp isn't there anymore |
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| 17:36.33 | _xEBIx_ | nabend |
| 17:37.53 | pht_ | anyone around to help me bitbake running? |
| 17:37.58 | pht_ | http://rafb.net/p/LT9BwV19.html |
| 17:38.26 | pht_ | perhaps it is only a trivial problem, but I have no clue at this point |
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| 17:42.48 | TheFool | Is there anyway to access the altboot-faq? It seems the openzaurus website has quite a few missing pages, that being one of them. |
| 17:42.59 | _xEBIx_ | I either know what bitbake is by the way anyone here knowning about a good Howto accurding root on SD and the rootfs Tarballs |
| 17:44.25 | TheFool | yea...the altboot-faq, which is missing, had a good how-to in it |
| 17:44.30 | _xEBIx_ | no its down someway |
| 17:44.41 | _xEBIx_ | shit |
| 17:45.25 | _xEBIx_ | do you know a mirror for the openzaurus page? |
| 17:45.52 | TheFool | no :( |
| 17:46.07 | _xEBIx_ | so will have to wait |
| 17:46.23 | TheFool | yea :( |
| 17:46.57 | TheFool | what have you done so far? I think I remember a good portion of it. |
| 17:48.02 | _xEBIx_ | i' ve got copied it on my SD card and copied a real zImage into boot but geting much of I/O errors accruding /dev/ and freeze than |
| 17:49.51 | _xEBIx_ | when i copy my existing in / to the SD i don't get those I/Os but others and at the moment i get multple altboots |
| 17:50.15 | TheFool | well you should end up with two altboots |
| 17:50.30 | _xEBIx_ | yes there are tw |
| 17:50.39 | TheFool | one from flashing a bootstrap and the second from your system in the SD card |
| 17:51.42 | _xEBIx_ | at the moment ive got two running sys one in ram and one in SD and that is a good idea |
| 17:51.56 | _xEBIx_ | btw has the z a "bootsector" |
| 17:52.34 | TheFool | my advice (don't take this as expert advice) would be to wipe the SD card and start from scratch letting altboot install the loopback image |
| 17:52.57 | _xEBIx_ | ill need the bootsrap sys for startup? |
| 17:53.06 | TheFool | _xEBIx_: nope it only has like 16mb of system space, so it's all a "bootsector" |
| 17:53.16 | _xEBIx_ | a |
| 17:53.24 | TheFool | _xEBIx_: yea |
| 17:53.46 | _xEBIx_ | so on that HAS TO be a kernel? |
| 17:55.15 | TheFool | _xEBIx_: ?? |
| 17:55.16 | _xEBIx_ | iam thinkning about using all ram for cache and things |
| 17:57.53 | _xEBIx_ | so using the 64-0 zImage |
| 17:58.54 | TheFool | yea |
| 17:59.08 | _xEBIx_ | yea what |
| 18:05.18 | TheFool | yea use the 64-0 image |
| 18:09.06 | _xEBIx_ | aha thx |
| 18:09.43 | _xEBIx_ | and wwhat sall i do when downloaded the rootf tarball i mean was that right what i did? |
| 18:11.57 | TheFool | if you flashed with the 64-0 already, you download the rootfs tarball |
| 18:12.39 | TheFool | rename it xxx(withxbeinganynumber)-rootfs.tar.gz and stick it in a boot images folder on your SD card |
| 18:12.47 | TheFool | then let altboot try to install it |
| 18:13.00 | _xEBIx_ | ahh there one mistake |
| 18:13.22 | _xEBIx_ | y only copied it to the SD and wanted to boot it |
| 18:25.09 | _xEBIx_ | and thats written in the altbot faq? |
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| 18:25.13 | mimecar | hi |
| 18:27.17 | TheFool | I amy be wrong that you were just supposed to rename and copy it to the root of the card, like I said before I am trying to go from memory, but yea all nicely outlined in the FAQ |
| 18:27.26 | TheFool | mimecar: hello |
| 18:27.46 | mimecar | hi TheFool |
| 18:29.20 | _xEBIx_ | no i dont think you are wrong but I do think that you missunerstood my i meant that i Extracted and copied it to my SD without letting altboot install it |
| 18:30.26 | TheFool | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.43 | asteroid | hello |
| 18:30.44 | mimecar | what's the problem ? |
| 18:30.47 | mimecar | hi asteroid |
| 18:30.52 | _xEBIx_ | hi |
| 18:30.58 | asteroid | \o_ |
| 18:30.58 | TheFool | altboot under advanced will set up a loopback image for you with the rootfs.tar.gz file |
| 18:37.01 | TheFool | any idea when the 3,5,5 release is coming out? I can't wait for a new release for mycollie, especially one that will allow me to use larger SD cards |
| 18:37.26 | mimecar | I know they're on test phase |
| 18:37.39 | TheFool | so next few months? |
| 18:37.40 | mimecar | but I don't know a final date to the release |
| 18:37.43 | mimecar | no idea |
| 18:37.53 | mimecar | you can compile the kernel with the new driver |
| 18:37.53 | _xEBIx_ | isnt 3.5.4 alreday supporting SD cards >1GB with the haked driver? |
| 18:37.59 | mimecar | and run it today |
| 18:38.46 | TasDevil | yes, 3.5.3, too |
| 18:38.50 | TheFool | hehe with half of the openzaurus site down I am having a hard enough time reinstalling the basic system |
| 18:39.51 | mimecar | why don't you use the cached version of google ? |
| 18:40.01 | TasDevil | TheFool: I'm using a 2 GB SD since yesterday with my collie, with 3.5.3 |
| 18:40.23 | TheFool | oh btw do you have a link to the bounty page I have heard about for getting SD working under 2.6 on the collie? |
| 18:40.39 | TheFool | TasDevil: thats cool :) |
| 18:40.50 | TasDevil | 2.6? no, I'm running 2.4.18 |
| 18:41.00 | mimecar | there is not driver for 2.6 kernel |
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| 18:41.19 | TasDevil | TheFool: indeed :-) works without any problem |
| 18:41.34 | mimecar | with the 2.6 kernel ? |
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| 18:41.49 | TheFool | yean I know I heard about some page where we offer donations to whomever creates one |
| 18:42.00 | TasDevil | yes, the wiki |
| 18:42.20 | TasDevil | but I xcouldn't wait ;-) |
| 18:42.23 | TasDevil | -x |
| 18:42.43 | TasDevil | I needed more space for build-essential |
| 18:42.47 | mimecar | one thing is a future developer |
| 18:43.05 | mimecar | but actually the're not real working drivers (that I know of course) |
| 18:43.27 | TasDevil | not yet |
| 18:44.02 | TheFool | and most likely not soon...but eventuially |
| 18:44.20 | TasDevil | well, 2.4.18 works fine for me |
| 18:44.35 | TasDevil | no need to upgrade |
| 18:44.46 | mimecar | next version of OZ will be the last for collie |
| 18:44.58 | TasDevil | ah, hm |
| 18:44.59 | mimecar | without a driver for the sd with the 2.6 kernel |
| 18:45.20 | TasDevil | I'll stay on the current OZ then. It works. |
| 18:46.08 | TasDevil | and I run a full chrooted Debian on the SD card, so I don't use OZ that much |
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| 18:46.15 | TheFool | yea :( poor collie, it's been a faithful little machine |
| 18:46.26 | TasDevil | it's still! |
| 18:46.34 | mimecar | it's limited |
| 18:46.43 | mimecar | next models are better |
| 18:47.08 | TheFool | yea, but if you get it working on the collie it will fly on the other models :) |
| 18:47.19 | TasDevil | bah, better :-) better is always a second, additional machine ;-) |
| 18:47.33 | mimecar | xDD |
| 18:49.33 | YoG | hi, I've followed the "opie and gpe" howto on oenzaurus.org... but when i'm doing chvt 3 i seen nothing :-( can someone please help me debug this thing |
| 18:49.41 | TheFool | hey TasDevil do you have gcc working properly on your collie? |
| 18:50.07 | TasDevil | TheFool: yes, but on a standard Debian install |
| 18:50.28 | TheFool | TasDevil: meaning no gui? |
| 18:51.01 | TasDevil | no, with X and IceWM :-) look here: http://pocketworkstation.org |
| 18:51.22 | mimecar | YoG: I use both desktop indepenent |
| 18:51.32 | mimecar | witouht the terminal change |
| 18:51.48 | YoG | mimecar: how? |
| 18:52.52 | TheFool | TasDevil: how well does it run, is it laggy? theres got to be some problem with it...that looks awesome |
| 18:53.17 | TasDevil | TheFool: It runs like with a 206 MHz CPU ;-) |
| 18:53.40 | TasDevil | 206 MHz without FPU |
| 18:54.00 | TasDevil | so yes, it's slow, but *all* the software runs |
| 18:54.18 | TheFool | TasDevil: so sluggish as hell... thats why I liked OZ.... |
| 18:54.42 | TasDevil | yes, of course it's slower than OZ and stripped down apps |
| 18:54.50 | TheFool | TasDevil: so what exactly do you use it for? |
| 18:55.16 | TasDevil | for nothing useful... ;-) The Zaurus is just for playing and fun :-) |
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| 18:55.32 | TasDevil | and maybe learning about Linux |
| 18:55.36 | TheFool | I don't know, I can imagine dillo being faster than konqueror-embedded |
| 18:56.10 | TasDevil | links is faster :p |
| 18:56.50 | TheFool | that is really freaking cool though, I looked into debian-arm a while back and didn't find anything this developed, must have missed it |
| 18:57.19 | TasDevil | and it's easy to install :-) all additionally, you loose nothing |
| 18:57.38 | TheFool | well I think IO am going to have to pick up another 2gb sd to try this out |
| 18:58.00 | TasDevil | and it's even still there after a complete reinstall of the main OS |
| 18:58.06 | TheFool | one more thing, hows it's support for wireless cards? |
| 18:58.17 | TheFool | I know my connect plus is a bear to get working on OZ |
| 18:58.52 | TasDevil | of the collie? I use a prism2 card afaik, and I've a second one, both work fine |
| 18:59.13 | TheFool | mine is a prism3 thats why I'm worried |
| 19:00.05 | TasDevil | I've a Pretec CompactWLAN (with prism2.x) and a Socket Low Power WLAN Card |
| 19:00.14 | TasDevil | both work |
| 19:00.38 | TasDevil | both without WPA though, maybe one day I upgrade the prism2 firmware |
| 19:00.52 | TasDevil | but had no time so far |
| 19:01.09 | TheFool | ah man I need a new cf card for this too :( |
| 19:01.15 | YoG | mimecar: how did you do that? |
| 19:01.31 | TasDevil | just try the one you have |
| 19:01.44 | TheFool | 16mb...that needs a 256mb... |
| 19:01.54 | TasDevil | as a minimum, yes |
| 19:02.01 | TheFool | 16mb cost me 50c 256 cost like $20 |
| 19:02.09 | TasDevil | and 2 GB $40 |
| 19:02.18 | TheFool | ha I got mine for $10 |
| 19:02.29 | TasDevil | :-) |
| 19:02.38 | _xEBIx_ | all american people here? |
| 19:02.42 | TasDevil | no |
| 19:02.46 | TheFool | nope |
| 19:02.49 | TasDevil | <-- Europe |
| 19:02.52 | _xEBIx_ | so were are you from |
| 19:03.03 | TasDevil | <-- Europe, Earth |
| 19:03.03 | _xEBIx_ | ohh me too |
| 19:03.06 | TasDevil | :-) |
| 19:03.14 | TheFool | originally russia |
| 19:03.32 | _xEBIx_ | ahh the good old |
| 19:09.07 | YoG | did anyone have any success with running gpe and opie togther |
| 19:09.13 | TasDevil | TheFool: at home I use an USB cable for networking |
| 19:09.40 | TasDevil | YoG: I tried that once, and it worked, but that was a year or so ago |
| 19:10.33 | TasDevil | it was at the time when there were nearly no useful GPE apps |
| 19:10.55 | YoG | TasDevil: can you help me with it? |
| 19:11.17 | TasDevil | YoG: I just followed the howto on the oz webpage |
| 19:11.42 | TasDevil | I think it's still the same howto there |
| 19:11.47 | YoG | TasDevil: Me too. |
| 19:12.43 | TasDevil | maybe you left a step out or something like that? |
| 19:13.46 | YoG | TasDevil: This is fairly simple, 1) fix ipkg.conf 2) ipkg install |
| 19:14.15 | TasDevil | yes |
| 19:15.03 | TasDevil | did you do this: "Change Opie to start on Virtual Terminal 3. Edit your /etc/init.d/opie script. Change all instances of ?-terminal 2? to ?-terminal 3?. I found two of these." |
| 19:16.29 | TasDevil | and did that work? |
| 19:16.41 | TasDevil | after restarting Opie? |
| 19:17.14 | YoG | TasDevil: I did change it in the opie script... restarted the z... but it's not working... :-( |
| 19:17.41 | TasDevil | then maybe you missed one of the instances |
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| 19:18.16 | TasDevil | I remember that it worked for me |
| 19:18.20 | YoG | TasDevil: doing chvt 2 brings the "Loading bootsplash/Use Alt-LeftArrwo"... screen |
| 19:18.41 | TasDevil | hm |
| 19:19.14 | TasDevil | well, I'd start from the beginning again and check every tiny step |
| 19:19.16 | YoG | TasDevil: do you know how can i see if gpe starts ok? is there any log somewhere? |
| 19:20.47 | TasDevil | in the process list? try ps ax | grep gpe |
| 19:20.48 | TasDevil | or something like that |
| 19:20.59 | YoG | TasDevil: nothing in the process list... |
| 19:21.28 | TasDevil | hm, maybe it has another name than gpe in the list, but it's probably not started then |
| 19:23.22 | YoG | TasDevil: runing gpe-dm just returns to command line - nothing happens... |
| 19:23.57 | TasDevil | hm. I'd say something is missing then |
| 19:24.23 | TasDevil | as I said: without any deeper knowledge I'd start again and check every step twice |
| 19:24.25 | YoG | TasDevil: runing /etc/init.d/gpe-dm start - just echos "Starting GPE display manager: gpe-dm" - but a again nothing happens... :-( |
| 19:25.10 | YoG | TasDevil: Yes, but i don't have a clue where to start searching... |
| 19:25.25 | TasDevil | maybe it's running chvt2 together with Opie, so you can't see it. Opie has to run on chvt3 *before* you install GPE |
| 19:25.42 | TasDevil | where? at the beginning of the howto |
| 19:26.49 | YoG | TasDevil: *before*? maybe that's the problem... |
| 19:26.56 | TasDevil | yes, before |
| 19:27.12 | TasDevil | at least that is what the howto says |
| 19:27.27 | TasDevil | and that worked for me |
| 19:27.31 | YoG | TasDevil: oops... |
| 19:27.45 | TasDevil | just read it again :-) |
| 19:28.58 | TasDevil | I see: Flash, Move, Change, Restart, set up, Update, and then install the GPE packages and reboot |
| 19:31.57 | TasDevil | there was an extra howto for moving the root file system to the SD IIRC, with a script to do that automagically |
| 19:32.13 | TasDevil | don't where it's now |
| 19:32.23 | TasDevil | probably also in the wiki somewhere |
| 19:32.56 | YoG | TasDevil: I'm using the "-d" switch and ipkg-link method... |
| 19:33.14 | TasDevil | ah, hm |
| 19:33.28 | TasDevil | probably fine :-) I don't knwo much about that |
| 19:33.32 | TasDevil | know* |
| 19:34.23 | TasDevil | and I don't know much about Linux. I just use it on the Zaurus, because that's the best OS there |
| 19:34.48 | TasDevil | on all other machines I use *BSD |
| 19:45.35 | TheFool | I am getting an "iosetup: ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: No such device or address" error when trying to get altboot to install the system to a loopback image on my SD card. When I reboot after that and try to start from the SD it throws tons of file not found errors. Any clue what the problem is? |
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| 19:51.58 | TasDevil | no idea |
| 19:52.02 | TasDevil | sdorry |
| 19:52.05 | TasDevil | sorry* |
| 19:56.18 | TheFool | any clue what it means? it's totally driving me insane. |
| 19:57.03 | TheFool | The annoying thing is I had the same problem when I first installed and I got it working, and I have no clue what I did...lol |
| 19:57.17 | TasDevil | "no such device or address" probably means what it says |
| 19:58.40 | TheFool | :P |
| 20:13.55 | TheFool | ok debian is going on my Z 1GB CF for $18 |
| 20:14.28 | TasDevil | :-D |
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| 20:49.57 | _xEBIx_ | The_fool: what for is the bootstrap image? |
| 21:15.15 | _xEBIx_ | TheFool: flashing bootstrap and 64-0 wasnt fine he isnt starting anymore |
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| 22:48.59 | _xEBIx_ | when iam installing a rootfs i get the question about loopfile and direct install where is the difference? |
| 22:49.19 | mimecar | loopfile create all the system on one file |
| 22:49.32 | mimecar | the other option create the system on the sd (all the directories) |
| 22:49.46 | _xEBIx_ | what would you prefer? |
| 22:49.53 | mimecar | loopfile |
| 22:50.00 | mimecar | is faster do a backup |
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| 23:23.58 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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