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| 01:07.27 | summatusmentis | hi hvontres|home |
| 01:07.51 | hvontres|home | summatusmentis: hey there :) |
| 01:08.15 | summatusmentis | I figured mimecar wasn't here, so I should take the role of greeting people |
| 01:09.15 | summatusmentis | why does OE take up so much room? |
| 01:09.46 | hvontres|home | summatusmentis: what do you mean? |
| 01:09.59 | CoreDump|afk | extracted sources and compiled binaries need room :\ |
| 01:10.14 | summatusmentis | CoreDump|afk: I thought you were afk :-P |
| 01:10.23 | CoreDump|afk | I'm kinda |
| 01:10.25 | CoreDump|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.26 | hvontres|home | CoreDump|afk: hey...you're supposed to be AWAY form keyboard |
| 01:10.27 | summatusmentis | hvontres|home: it's just big, that's all |
| 01:10.45 | hvontres|home | summatusmentis: yeah, but HD's are big and cheap now :) |
| 01:11.25 | summatusmentis | unless you're on a laptop, and a high school senior who needs money for college next year |
| 01:12.40 | hvontres|home | summatusmentis: you can try adding INHERIT += "rm_work" to your local.conf . That way bitbake cleans up after itself a bit. |
| 01:12.58 | CoreDump|afk | right, I forgot about that |
| 01:13.11 | summatusmentis | hvontres|home: ok, good to know |
| 01:14.05 | hvontres|home | summatusmentis: I am able to build on a 28 GB partition |
| 01:14.23 | summatusmentis | that's everything? |
| 01:14.29 | summatusmentis | I don't have 28GB to spare |
| 01:14.53 | hvontres|home | [henry@Gonzo ~]$ df -h /home |
| 01:14.53 | hvontres|home | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 01:14.53 | hvontres|home | /dev/mapper/gonzo_vg_0-home_lv 28G 16G 11G 61% /home |
| 01:15.42 | summatusmentis | I've got maybe 15 Gb to spare |
| 01:15.48 | hvontres|home | summatusmentis: so far just console image plus some extra stuff, but I have been able to build my own opie images before. |
| 01:16.03 | hvontres|home | summatusmentis: hmm, thats a bit tight...time to get rid of some games :) |
| 01:16.43 | summatusmentis | or my windows partition |
| 01:17.13 | summatusmentis | hrm... that's an interesting idea... I don't use it |
| 01:18.04 | hvontres|home | summatusmentis: or at least shrink it down a bunch :) |
| 01:18.04 | summatusmentis | that would entail shifting my entire partition scheme around |
| 01:18.10 | summatusmentis | I've only got 80Gb total |
| 01:19.47 | hvontres|home | summatusmentis: do you ever need windows to set up stuff on the laptop? |
| 01:20.15 | summatusmentis | only for like, ppt, and minimal phone hacking |
| 01:20.33 | summatusmentis | but my parents have a desktop running windows, so I suppose i could just use that |
| 01:21.50 | hvontres|home | summatusmentis: like I said, you could probably use parted or maybe partition magic to resize the windows install down to say 10-20GB and the rest for Linux :) |
| 01:22.23 | hvontres|home | summatusmentis: plus that way you have the real libs for wine to use as well :) |
| 01:22.59 | hvontres|home | time to do some yard work before the sun goes down here :) |
| 01:23.16 | summatusmentis | at this point I've got 20GB - Windows, 20Gb Linux, 20GBb Media |
| 01:23.23 | summatusmentis | 15GB extra |
| 01:23.27 | summatusmentis | and 1GB sway |
| 01:23.31 | summatusmentis | swap |
| 01:23.38 | summatusmentis | have fun w/ the yardwork |
| 01:28.23 | hvontres|home | summatusmentis: well, you could ditch the 20GB of porn...err media |
| 01:29.05 | CoreDump|afk | =) |
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| 01:30.41 | summatus|3200 | ok, first off, it's music, and video(from sources I'm not mentioning) |
| 01:31.05 | summatus|3200 | and I'd rather ditch windows anywya |
| 01:31.10 | summatus|3200 | anyway* |
| 01:33.51 | CoreDump|afk | !praise summatusmentis |
| 01:37.36 | summatus|3200 | I'd like that... but I need powerpoint, oo.org can't compare in that section |
| 01:38.57 | hvontres|home | CoreDump|afk: hey, what bb 1.8 bug are you talking about? |
| 01:39.00 | MindChild | Ok, is there some place I can get a kernel config for a zaurus 5500 kernel? Trying to figure out what is need is getting tedious. It aint no x86 machine :( |
| 01:39.53 | CoreDump|afk | hvontres|home: the bug causes BB 1.8 to hang on its first job doe to some redirection problems |
| 01:39.57 | hvontres|home | MindChild: IIRC there are still recepies for the crappix kernels in OpenEmbedded |
| 01:40.28 | hvontres|home | CoreDump|afk: hmmm, haven't run into that one yet.... |
| 01:40.40 | MindChild | hmmm I must be looking in the wrong place |
| 01:42.23 | summatus|3200 | MindChild, can I ask why you want that old PoS? |
| 01:42.24 | hvontres|home | MindChild: try looking at org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux/collie-kernels-2.4-embedix.bb as a starting point |
| 01:43.07 | MindChild | summatusmentis: honestly? I BOUGHT a LOT of apps for my zaurus. I refuse to use something that wont run them. So Im making my own |
| 01:43.17 | MindChild | hvontres|home: gracias |
| 01:43.53 | CoreDump|afk | ./openzaurus-sa-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix20030509/defconfig-collie |
| 01:44.08 | CoreDump|afk | find is your friend |
| 01:44.11 | hvontres|home | MindChild: well,you might be stuck with stock sharp roms.... |
| 01:45.07 | hvontres|home | MindChild: most of the sharp rom stuff does not play well with hardfloat...and IMHO softfloat kicks it's ass on any day... |
| 01:45.19 | MindChild | exactly |
| 01:45.40 | MindChild | First Im recompiling a kernel, then to recompile qtopia and apps with softflat |
| 01:45.45 | MindChild | softfloat |
| 01:45.57 | hvontres|home | MindChild: but then again, the only piece of Zaurus SW I ever bought was tkc player.. |
| 01:46.38 | hvontres|home | MindChild: yes, but the sw you bought won't run right with softfloat... unless you have the source, in which case you could also rebuild it for the 2.6 series |
| 01:47.25 | MindChild | Youre right. I have no idea why that didnt cross my mind |
| 01:47.35 | hvontres|home | MindChild: kernel+qtopia w softloat ~= OZ 3.5.4 |
| 01:48.58 | MindChild | There must be a way to force hardfloat apps to use softfloat somehow. I remember doing this in DOS/linux for 387 emulation |
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| 01:49.10 | MindChild | but...so...long...ago |
| 01:53.16 | summatus|3200 | how easy is it to write a .bb file? |
| 01:53.53 | CoreDump|afk | depends =) |
| 01:54.11 | CoreDump|afk | well, you have 4000+ examples heh |
| 01:54.23 | summatus|3200 | lol, oyu're doing a good job being afk :-P |
| 01:54.44 | summatus|3200 | yeah, I'm just thinking about maybe packaging nvu... |
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| 02:03.08 | hvontres|home | MindChild: IIRC there were problems with the way arm implents fpu instructions... one of the mailing lists had more details, but I can't seem to find that post anymore |
| 02:11.38 | hvontres|home | MindChild: here is the message I was thinking about: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=1145459995.5241.18.camel%40localhost |
| 02:13.52 | MindChild | great |
| 02:13.58 | MindChild | thanks |
| 02:14.08 | hvontres|home | MindChild: np. |
| 02:14.52 | hvontres|home | MindChild: I figured I might be able to save you some headaches |
| 02:18.23 | MindChild | Not very heavy on details. Im intrigued as to the details of the complications |
| 02:18.36 | MindChild | Im not sure I have the time or will to check it out though :/ |
| 02:24.21 | MindChild | Ok, lets say I am willing to give up my apps... can I get OZ to run Qtopia and GPE simultaiously? Like in seperate terminal |
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| 03:17.31 | summatus|3200 | hvontres|home, would running OE off of a usb drive(usb 2.0) be extremely slow? |
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| 03:48.58 | summatus|3200 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.02 | summatus|3200 | sorry |
| 03:49.30 | MindChild | USB is OODLES faster than say CF or SD |
| 04:16.17 | MindChild | what is a .bb file |
| 04:16.25 | MindChild | looks half config, half shell script |
| 04:18.11 | MindChild | bitbake hmmm |
| 04:32.22 | MindChild | I dont get it |
| 04:32.28 | MindChild | how do I use this .bb file |
| 04:32.58 | MindChild | does it have to be in the directory of the kernel source? then 'bitbake packagename'? |
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| 05:02.34 | MindChild | ANYONE? |
| 05:02.45 | MindChild | I have a feeling I need to setup more than I have |
| 05:03.00 | MindChild | but all the documentation I am reading is ambiguous |
| 05:22.14 | MindChild | and what is the difference between arch/arm/def-configs/sl5500 and arch/arm/def-configs/sl5500up |
| 05:32.32 | MindChild | there is only 4 google hits for sl5500up |
| 05:33.37 | NAbyss | ~gettingstarted |
| 05:33.49 | ibot | gettingstarted is, like, http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted |
| 05:33.58 | NAbyss | MindChild: Take a look at that URL for how to build OZ |
| 05:34.25 | NAbyss | The machine bb files should specify the correct defconfig |
| 05:35.56 | NAbyss | org.oe.xxx/conf/machine/*.bb |
| 05:36.14 | NAbyss | collie.conf, in this case |
| 05:37.58 | NAbyss | er, org.oe.xxx/packages/linux/linux-rp-2.6.##/defconfig-collie is the appropriate defconfig file |
| 05:39.02 | MindChild | I really didnt want to get all of openzaurus/embedded... just to patch the kernel. I guess it wont hurt anything |
| 05:40.10 | NAbyss | MindChild: Yeah.. just a warning.. building an image will take 5-7gb of HDD space, for c3x00 at least.. I'd hazard a guess that sl5x00 would be smaller; maybe 3-4gb. |
| 05:40.57 | MindChild | no biggie. Im using cygwin installed on my file server. Plenty of space |
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| 06:52.30 | MindChild | Super. To use bitbake, I need monotone, which in turn needs a recent boost library, which needs boost-build :/ |
| 06:53.38 | NAbyss | Your package manager should handle all that.. |
| 06:54.57 | MindChild | Im not using any linux... Im using cygwin |
| 07:44.54 | daurnimator | gpe and opie have too many problems :( |
| 08:46.18 | Biblio_peb | daurnimator, have you tried pdaxrom? |
| 08:46.26 | daurnimator | nope |
| 08:47.47 | Biblio_peb | daurnimator, if you're a not so geek guy and want something stable (in terms of productivity etc.), then have a look at http://www.hermocom.com, it's based on pdaxrom and Daniel has spent a fair amount of time in collecting and testing and coordinating developers to get a stable, running, productive setup for the Sharp |
| 08:48.37 | Biblio_peb | not so geek means, you're recompiling every kernel while sleeping and for breakfast there is the bits and bytes of the errorlog served :-) |
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| 09:45.55 | daurnimator | uh, Biblio_peb: I fail to see any downloads... |
| 09:45.59 | daurnimator | (all i find is a feed) |
| 09:47.04 | daurnimator | ah |
| 09:47.07 | daurnimator | weexpc |
| 09:47.44 | daurnimator | oh |
| 09:47.46 | daurnimator | it costs |
| 09:47.47 | daurnimator | wtf |
| 09:48.58 | Biblio_peb | daurnimator, as I told you: if you have the time, build the stable and operable platform by using pdaxrom and tailoring the distri to your needs. If you do not have the time (and if you're not an alpha geek), you have to make the decision if you pay and get productive immediately, or if you try to save the money and waste by that your time. |
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| 09:49.25 | Biblio_peb | That's what the costs behind weexpc are about (and a part of the money goes to the open source developers involved :-) ) |
| 09:50.06 | Biblio_peb | I run it, and I'm satisfied. Finally a distri that was completely usable on the Z and I have time to fix automation issues and not kernel problems :-) |
| 09:50.23 | Biblio_peb | ymmv |
| 09:50.26 | daurnimator | hmm |
| 09:50.36 | daurnimator | shouldn't the source code be available them? |
| 09:50.38 | daurnimator | *then |
| 09:50.49 | daurnimator | if its a modification of pdaxrom (GPL) |
| 09:50.55 | Biblio_peb | it is, all open source. |
| 09:51.41 | Biblio_peb | But why should it be available on hermocom.con? He just combines different applications. and the applications home, there is the source available. Try and figure out :-) |
| 09:53.03 | Biblio_peb | as example: planner is on the Z/weexpc for project management. I can't remember right now, but planner.sourceforge.net or similiar was the URL. There is also than the Windox version, which I run in the company to further work on the project files I create while on the road. |
| 09:53.11 | Biblio_peb | Abiword -- similiar |
| 09:53.16 | Biblio_peb | NoteCase -- similiar |
| 09:53.21 | Biblio_peb | Kismet -- similiar ... |
| 09:55.28 | CoreDump|home | Has anyone here compiled a modified kernel to boot his spitz off the flash, not HDD? |
| 09:55.40 | Biblio_peb | nope |
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| 10:29.38 | daurnimator | :( |
| 10:29.44 | daurnimator | just tried installing pdaxrom |
| 10:29.49 | daurnimator | now zaurus won't turn on |
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| 10:45.58 | CoreDump|home | cf should work just as well |
| 10:46.45 | daurnimator | I don't own ANY cf cards |
| 10:46.46 | daurnimator | :P |
| 10:48.52 | Biblio_peb | daurnimator: It's saturday, so perhaps a short trip to the local electronics or photoshop could save your weekend. |
| 10:49.05 | daurnimator | here, its 9pm on saturday night |
| 10:49.40 | Biblio_peb | so you're ahead: where are you? |
| 10:49.40 | daurnimator | australia |
| 10:50.08 | Biblio_peb | :-) ok ... you will have a calm and nice Sunday. what Z is it (btw)`? |
| 10:50.14 | daurnimator | 3200 |
| 10:50.58 | Biblio_peb | have you tried to get into the emergency system? |
| 10:52.24 | daurnimator | how do you do that one? |
| 10:53.49 | daurnimator | (which one do you mean :P) |
| 10:54.52 | Biblio_peb | remove all power (ac, batterie) and then press .. d+b at the same time (keep it pressed) while jotting in the akku and switching on the small operating switch on the back. after some seconds the unit should boot into plain vanilla linux |
| 10:55.25 | daurnimator | jotting in the akku??????????/ |
| 10:56.04 | Biblio_peb | put it in (excuse my rude way of dealing with english |
| 10:56.24 | daurnimator | put what in what? |
| 10:56.34 | Biblio_peb | the batterie (accu) |
| 10:57.23 | daurnimator | nothing |
| 10:57.42 | daurnimator | i got the pdaxrom uboot installed |
| 10:57.58 | CoreDump|home | lol |
| 10:58.25 | daurnimator | but, when I rebooted, before installing pdaxrom itself, it wouldn't turn on |
| 10:58.35 | daurnimator | only combo working is Fn+D+M |
| 10:59.11 | CoreDump|home | and that is only working because it is located in ROM |
| 10:59.34 | CoreDump|home | most devices would be pretty FUBAR at this point.... |
| 11:00.01 | daurnimator | ... |
| 11:00.11 | daurnimator | I was following the pdaxrom instructions |
| 11:01.24 | CoreDump|home | obviously something went very wrong |
| 11:01.49 | CoreDump|home | and pdaxrom requiring u-boot is a bloody joke |
| 11:02.10 | daurnimator | :( |
| 11:02.19 | daurnimator | was just doing this: http://www.pdaxrom.org/?q=node/106 |
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| 11:16.30 | daurnimator | no fair |
| 11:25.32 | daurnimator | woot |
| 11:25.36 | daurnimator | found an SD card |
| 11:25.50 | daurnimator | found a digicam sitting around :P |
| 11:25.53 | daurnimator | (not mine) |
| 11:28.34 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 11:29.07 | CoreDump|home | meanwhile my HDD image still continues.....gzip is a real dog on spitz |
| 11:50.34 | daurnimator | yay, done |
| 11:50.39 | daurnimator | now i shall try openbsd |
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| 14:00.59 | summatusmentis | CoreDump|home: I would think you would be able to use and akita image for a 3200 to install to flash rom |
| 14:02.04 | CoreDump|home | image creating wasn't a problem, angstrom-console does the job nicely. The problem was building a kernel that could boot the flash partition, not the hdd |
| 14:02.32 | summatusmentis | right, that's what I meant, wouldn't the akita kernel do that? |
| 14:04.34 | CoreDump|home | no, there are differences beside the CMDLINE between akita and spitz |
| 14:05.43 | XorA | summatusmentis: akita and spitz hardware and quite widely different |
| 14:06.13 | summatusmentis | oh really? I was under the impression it was the same machine, just one had an MD in it |
| 14:06.22 | summatusmentis | that's good to know I guess |
| 14:07.02 | XorA | differences between IO expanders and extra scoops I think |
| 14:12.45 | XorA | better watch they dont shit in your eye :-) |
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| 14:30.10 | summatusmentis | urgh, OE is huge, I'm hoping I don't run out of space on my 15Gb partition |
| 14:46.29 | XorA | INHERIT += "rm_work" |
| 14:46.37 | XorA | that will delete built stuff after packaging |
| 14:46.49 | summatusmentis | XorA: yeah, after I move to another partition, that's the plan |
| 14:47.05 | summatusmentis | it means there's going to be a lot of rebuilding right? |
| 14:47.53 | XorA | summatusmentis: well moving OE means rebuilding, its paths get hardcoded |
| 14:48.07 | summatusmentis | symlink? |
| 14:48.17 | summatusmentis | or will that kill it? |
| 14:48.23 | XorA | summatusmentis: symlinks seem to break glibc badly |
| 14:48.28 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
| 14:48.33 | summatusmentis | gr... ok, so I'm gonna need to rebuild anyway |
| 14:48.35 | summatusmentis | thanks |
| 14:48.45 | XorA | summatusmentis: you could bind mount the new partition into the old |
| 14:49.02 | XorA | mount -o bind /media/new/oe /home/summa/oldoe |
| 14:49.56 | summatusmentis | ok, that's good to know, I'd need to do that every reboot right? |
| 14:50.27 | XorA | summatusmentis: can put it in fstab :-) |
| 14:50.58 | summatusmentis | I was just sitting here trying to figure out how to do that |
| 14:51.31 | XorA | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.33 | XorA | I thinkl |
| 14:53.15 | summatusmentis | so /dev/hda4(for instance) /home/summa/OE ? |
| 14:53.23 | summatusmentis | or do I need the mountpoint for hda4? |
| 14:53.40 | XorA | summatusmentis: you can just mount the partition in directly if you wish |
| 14:54.09 | summatusmentis | oh, I guess that's an option too |
| 14:54.14 | summatusmentis | hrm, thanks XorA |
| 14:54.34 | XorA | linux, land of a thousand choices |
| 14:54.50 | CoreDump|home | Choice Is Good |
| 14:55.09 | summatusmentis | choice is good, this is true |
| 14:55.26 | summatusmentis | I feel like such a noob around you all, and i've been using linux for 4 years |
| 14:56.10 | CoreDump|home | ~10 years here =) |
| 14:56.27 | summatusmentis | ok, well, I guess I deserve that :-P |
| 14:57.40 | CoreDump|home | There is always someone that knows more than you do yourself |
| 14:58.27 | summatusmentis | yeah, I know |
| 14:59.01 | summatusmentis | I just assumed I had a decent knowledge for linux/etc. this whole OE thing has slapped me in the face :-D |
| 14:59.24 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 14:59.40 | CoreDump|home | embedded linux has a steep learning curve |
| 15:00.20 | summatusmentis | I noticed :-) |
| 15:00.27 | CoreDump|home | =D |
| 15:01.02 | CoreDump|home | I'm into embedded Linux for 4+ years now =) I feel old... |
| 15:01.22 | summatusmentis | good for you, are there job opportunities? |
| 15:01.37 | CoreDump|home | oh yes |
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| 15:02.30 | CoreDump|home | mickeyl, ex-head-honcho of OpenZaurus and Opie has been hire by FIC for OpenMoko / Neo1973 beside others |
| 15:02.57 | CoreDump|home | quite a few folks here hack for a living =) |
| 15:02.59 | summatusmentis | ah, the revered mickeyl |
| 15:03.07 | summatusmentis | I've seen his name all over the place |
| 15:03.34 | CoreDump|home | yeah =) |
| 15:03.37 | CoreDump|home | nice guy |
| 15:03.56 | summatusmentis | that's always a plus. |
| 15:04.14 | summatusmentis | Hopefuly by the end of the summer I'll have my head far enough into it that I can start being useful |
| 15:04.17 | summatusmentis | :-) |
| 15:04.21 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 15:04.50 | summatusmentis | instead of just annoying people like you, XorA, and polyonymous |
| 15:06.01 | CoreDump|home | if you were annoying we wouldn't have this conversation heh |
| 15:06.38 | summatusmentis | lol, well that's good to hear. I try to not be annoying |
| 15:27.59 | hrw | summatusmentis: you are doing good job |
| 15:28.20 | summatusmentis | hrw: of not being annoying? thanks :-D |
| 15:28.47 | hrw | x |
| 15:28.58 | hrw | of angstrom/oz things |
| 15:29.15 | summatusmentis | really? I feel like I haven't done anything |
| 15:29.44 | hrw | atleast your are not afraid of using our images |
| 15:30.01 | summatusmentis | that's true |
| 15:30.21 | hrw | and you provide some feedback |
| 15:30.40 | hrw | which is good. |
| 15:30.41 | summatusmentis | after I lost a semesters worth of notes when I was playing w/ partitions on my laptop, I'm not afraid of too much |
| 15:30.55 | summatusmentis | well, I'm trying |
| 15:31.18 | hrw | in tuesday I will buy new hdd for this laptop. moving crypto lvm will be chalenge probably |
| 15:31.26 | hrw | two options: |
| 15:31.41 | hrw | 1. connect hdd via usb and move lvm to it using lvm tools |
| 15:32.10 | hrw | 2. insert new disk, boot debian installer via TFTP and install minimal. then move data from old hdd to new one |
| 15:33.43 | summatusmentis | I'd install, then move data |
| 15:34.04 | summatusmentis | what i did, I don't use lvm, or crypto, but I made a tarball of / |
| 15:34.06 | hrw | I do not know will I have so much time |
| 15:34.23 | hrw | crypto lvm is a must for me |
| 15:34.23 | summatusmentis | then booted knoppix, and untarred it to the new partiton |
| 15:34.43 | hrw | I have misc stuff on this laptop which can not be shown to some people |
| 15:34.56 | hrw | and this laptop does not have cd/dvd drive at all |
| 15:35.06 | summatusmentis | ah.... |
| 15:35.35 | summatusmentis | is there a way to set up lvm/crypto, then copy data? |
| 15:35.43 | hrw | yes |
| 15:36.19 | summatusmentis | that's the install option right? that would be my method, but again, it's sort of dependant on time, and what you're comfortable doing |
| 15:37.33 | hrw | yes - Debian 'etch' allow to install to crypto lvm |
| 15:37.48 | summatusmentis | yeah, personally that's what I'd do |
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| 16:19.24 | summatusmentis | thefool: Angstrom is still early beta(if even), so it'll be there |
| 16:19.43 | summatusmentis | and there wasn't much dev support for the 3.5.5 release |
| 16:20.49 | thefool | I know, but reading some of the things they were going to do...specifically for the collie... |
| 16:20.54 | thefool | I just got spoiled lol |
| 16:21.12 | summatusmentis | lol, it'll happen, patience my young padawan |
| 16:21.28 | thefool | Now I will wait for Angstrom to catch up, and surpass OZ |
| 16:21.38 | summatusmentis | yep |
| 16:22.42 | thefool | hmm maybe they have some dev versions of 3.5.5 lying around on the site...just to um pass the time while I wait for angstrom.... |
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| 17:07.40 | thefool | bah I hate my wifi card, I always forget how to get it working with OZ... |
| 17:13.49 | thefool | woot there it goes! |
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| 17:21.22 | mimecar | hi |
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