| 00:01.17 | JesseG2 | hi CoreDump|home, hitz |
| 00:02.08 | JesseG2 | I have collie, but have not tried angstrom. |
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| 00:21.09 | summatusmentis | JesseG2: I'm in the middle of building an angstrom collie image |
| 00:21.45 | summatusmentis | the issue I've seen is that none of the x11/opie images are currently configured to fit on the internal ram of the collie, the way around this would be loopback imaging |
| 01:11.40 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: flash the angstrom kernel to the collie, but have the rootfs on loopback |
| 01:11.51 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: I'm guessing |
| 01:12.25 | summatusmentis | can you do that? |
| 01:13.07 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: I would make a very small image with the kernel modules + pivot_root (or whatever does that now) and flash that and the kernel |
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| 01:16.00 | summatusmentis | well, console-iimage fits, then in theory I could use altboot, and just use that to boot the SD |
| 01:16.19 | summatusmentis | I guess I assumed it booted the kernel from the rootfs, but maybe not? |
| 01:18.08 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: I assumed it booted the kernel in the flash because otherwise how would it know to boot the kernel for a loopback? with no kernel, how can you loopback? is the boot-loader actually that cool? |
| 01:18.19 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: I reiterate, I *assume* |
| 01:18.33 | summatusmentis | right, I guess that makes sense |
| 01:18.43 | summatusmentis | I'm used to a desktop, where the kernel is located in the rootfs |
| 01:19.23 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: even still, if you move the kernel you have to tell your boot loader where you put it... and I don't know any bootloader that loads a kernel to boot from a loopback |
| 01:19.45 | summatusmentis | I guess that's true |
| 01:20.15 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: despite my logic, I do not really know, so you may try it and find out. should be obvious. |
| 01:21.00 | summatusmentis | yeah, I can figure it out, if I can figure out why cups wants to be root to build :-/ |
| 01:21.23 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: I have a fix for that in bug tracker that no one has been nice enough to fix. |
| 01:21.54 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: of course I'm the black sheep of OE so, what do I expect. |
| 01:22.03 | summatusmentis | black sheep? why? |
| 01:22.13 | summatusmentis | is it pretty straightforward? |
| 01:22.22 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: extremely straight forward |
| 01:22.42 | summatusmentis | I assume the reason it hasn't been commited is all? |
| 01:22.48 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: chmod 755 one folder in the tmp/work/cups-$(PV)/image I think |
| 01:23.17 | summatusmentis | I'll find it in a bit |
| 01:23.26 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: I don't know why it has not been commited. I didn't fix the .bb I just wrote the fix |
| 01:23.50 | summatusmentis | hrm.... how does one get commit access? |
| 01:24.12 | Zero_Chaos | it is offered to you after hard work and dedication, oh yeah, and popularity |
| 01:25.34 | summatusmentis | I sense some... resentment? |
| 01:26.04 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: yeah, but let's not do that dance. I'm trying to behave. |
| 01:26.43 | summatusmentis | alright, sorry |
| 01:26.48 | Zero_Chaos | no problem |
| 01:26.56 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: but yeah, the quick fix works for me. |
| 01:27.14 | summatusmentis | alright, I'll go find it in a bit, watching a walkthrough of the iPhone :-) |
| 01:28.14 | summatusmentis | any idea what the # is? |
| 01:28.26 | Zero_Chaos | one sec |
| 01:29.55 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: 2492, it was marked inaccurate and closed by a certain OE dev that doesn't like me |
| 01:31.35 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: there is a fix for it here: http://bugs.openembedded.org/attachment.cgi?id=1501 |
| 01:32.03 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: that is also a hack, but if you add that you won't have to manually chmod every time you rebuild cups |
| 01:32.42 | summatusmentis | I'm looking at the bug that 2492 was marked as a duplicate of... why they don't fix this I don't understand |
| 01:33.33 | summatusmentis | Zero_Chaos: alright, thanks, I'll just chmod it, but this is just stupid :-/ |
| 01:37.26 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: I am guessing the only "proper" enough fix is to have it fixed upstream. But putting the hack a I pasted would be advisable for now.... of course, I don't know why someone with commit access was going around marking bugs incorrect and then not fixing them... I'm guessing because that certain dev didn't have the issue it is not a "real" issue |
| 01:39.15 | summatusmentis | well, I have noticed some... discrepancies in people's bug confirmation. However, I do know that he does triage quite a bit, so it's possible he's working on something else, and not focusing on angstrom |
| 01:41.36 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: what's funny it, I succeed in the test given on the surviving bug report, but cups still fails to build... |
| 01:41.39 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: very odd |
| 01:42.08 | summatusmentis | cups worked building for me |
| 01:44.02 | summatusmentis | I've spent 3 days getting it to build |
| 01:44.59 | summatusmentis | and I broke it, on sysvinit |
| 01:45.54 | Zero_Chaos | hmmm, cups builds fine for me now. |
| 01:46.11 | summatusmentis | cups built, sysvinit hates me :-P |
| 01:49.16 | Zero_Chaos | si |
| 01:49.19 | Zero_Chaos | sorry |
| 01:52.14 | summatusmentis | no worries |
| 01:52.38 | summatusmentis | actually, I'm about to head out |
| 01:52.50 | summatusmentis | I'll keep working on this image |
| 01:52.59 | summatusmentis | JesseG2: this is turning out to be harder than expected |
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| 07:36.56 | JesseG2 | summatusmentis, wow thanks for all the effort! I really appreciate it! Feel free to bail at any time it that it becomes too much of a bother. |
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| 07:37.38 | JesseG2 | By the way, as far as I know, I don't use my built in 14mb rom fs for anything except to launch altboot, w |
| 07:38.24 | JesseG2 | which seems to then (I'm guessing) load the kernel and everything off of my SD card via a loop image. But come to think of it, I don't really know where my kernel resides. |
| 07:39.07 | JesseG2 | I guess it could be that the kernel is actually in the loop image, and altboot knows how to go get the kernel from the loop image. I'll reboot and see if I get kernel messages before altboot. |
| 07:41.58 | JesseG2 | Well, the very first thing to show up is the Opie logo, then there's a short message about some non existant tty or something, then it says press any key to launch altboot. |
| 07:42.17 | JesseG2 | then it goes on, if i recall correctly, to mount the root fs and so on and so forth. |
| 07:54.29 | JesseG2 | Well, I'm just not too sure. It seems unlikely that the bootloader would mount a filesystem to find the kernel, but on the other hand, the bootloader (altboot) unquestionably can prompt the user which root fs image they wish to boot. |
| 07:57.26 | JesseG2 | well, i can't figure it out. there is a 'zImage' symlink in /boot/ and /media/ROM/boot/ but they both are symlinks to /boot/zImage-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix which doesn't seem to exist anywere! The only place I can find an actual binary zImage file is on my CF card which, as far as I know, isn't needed to boot. |
| 08:00.10 | JesseG2 | Alright, it boots just fine without the CF card, just as I thought. (It's rootfs is a 600MB loop file on SD card.) |
| 08:01.17 | JesseG2 | How it boots when I can't find any actual zImage. |
| 08:01.50 | JesseG2 | (I did a find / > /files then I grep that for stuff. Anyway, I'm off to bed. Thanks! bye. jesseg (at symbol) nikola (dawt) see oh em. |
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| 14:18.24 | mimecar | hi |
| 14:32.46 | mimecar | cand fbreader remember last page of a document ? |
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| 14:34.43 | CoreDump|afk | If it can, I don't know how to do it. Which sucks |
| 14:35.15 | mimecar | you can add a bookmark, but is not useful |
| 14:36.04 | CoreDump|afk | fbreader sucks big time compared to opie reader =( |
| 14:36.42 | mimecar | CoreDump|afk: do you know palm software ? |
| 14:37.04 | mimecar | there are some ebook readers, very simple, but usegul |
| 14:37.13 | CoreDump|afk | nope, I don't |
| 14:37.18 | mimecar | and the programs on zaurus are very complex |
| 14:38.03 | mimecar | it looks fbreader remember page |
| 14:38.13 | mimecar | but not position inside the page |
| 14:41.20 | mimecar | CoreDump|afk: is there an option on configuration to change toolbar size ? |
| 14:41.56 | CoreDump|afk | mimecar: no, that is a compile-time setting which I tend to fix for SL-Cxx00 when I get the chance |
| 14:42.11 | mimecar | are you the developer ? |
| 14:42.43 | CoreDump|afk | I am one of many |
| 14:43.19 | mimecar | what would be more useful |
| 14:43.34 | mimecar | add a feature or create a simpler program (for myself) ? |
| 14:45.02 | CoreDump|afk | that's up to you =) Adding a new feature to an already existing program would be faster IMO |
| 14:46.13 | mimecar | what's the code language ? |
| 14:51.15 | CoreDump|afk | c I'd guess |
| 14:51.36 | mimecar | ok |
| 15:25.14 | summatusmentis | CoreDump|afk: ping |
| 15:25.28 | mimecar | hi summatusmentis |
| 15:25.54 | summatusmentis | hi mimecar |
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| 16:17.53 | JesseG2 | Good morning |
| 16:35.45 | CoreDump|afk | summatusmentis: pong |
| 17:05.39 | JesseG2 | bye for a while=) |
| 17:09.33 | summatusmentis | CoreDump: where is the kernel stored on the collie? is it rootfs? |
| 17:09.59 | summatusmentis | in other words, when running a loopback, does the loopback image get mounted so the kernel is lodaded |
| 17:10.02 | summatusmentis | loaded* |
| 17:10.33 | CoreDump | the kernel is stored in a separate flash partition |
| 17:10.50 | CoreDump | you can _not_ use a kernel from the rootfs w/o kexec |
| 17:11.43 | summatusmentis | ok, so you flash console image(or whatever), then altboot just changes where the rootfs is located? |
| 17:11.50 | CoreDump | right |
| 17:12.06 | CoreDump | the kernel stays the same |
| 17:12.23 | summatusmentis | alright, so then, JesseG2 could use a 2.6 console image on collie, and then loop mount a working OZ opie image from sd? |
| 17:12.44 | summatusmentis | assuming we could get altboot working on console?(it should, it's in the feeds) |
| 17:13.40 | CoreDump | the OZ image would lack all kernel modules and would be incompatible to kernel 2.6 in general as it is based on 2.4 |
| 17:14.00 | summatusmentis | completely incomaptible? |
| 17:14.33 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: yeah, you need to put the right kernel modules in the rootfs, not a big deal |
| 17:14.40 | CoreDump | mostly unfixable for non-linux-experts. It would be full of bugs |
| 17:14.55 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: of course, why not use angstrom instead of OZ anyway? |
| 17:15.02 | CoreDump | exactly |
| 17:15.04 | CoreDump | bbl |
| 17:15.13 | summatusmentis | Zero_Chaos: true, he's just got a working image of OZ, and I don't think he's got OE setup |
| 17:15.36 | summatusmentis | I'm having a bitch of a time building a _console_ image for collie, let alone x11 or opie |
| 17:15.42 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: yes but while we are reflashing to upgrade him, why not do it right. |
| 17:15.51 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: building "angstrom-console-image" from .dev? |
| 17:16.21 | summatusmentis | Zero_Chaos: yeah, I am. And he's running loopback, not flash |
| 17:16.36 | summatusmentis | I was gonna give him the console image for flash, but then he'd altboot to loopback |
| 17:16.48 | summatusmentis | that's assuming I could get it working |
| 17:19.17 | summatusmentis | hey, I'm gonna go eat, be back later this eve. |
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| 20:45.05 | mimecar | hi |
| 20:45.16 | summatusmentis | hi mimecar |
| 20:45.19 | Neolink | Hello |
| 20:45.45 | summatusmentis | hey there NAbyss |
| 20:45.53 | summatusmentis | sorrry NAbyss :-) |
| 20:45.56 | summatusmentis | hi Neolink |
| 20:46.05 | Neolink | hi |
| 20:46.17 | Neolink | How do u do? |
| 20:47.01 | summatusmentis | I'm very well, and yourself? |
| 20:47.21 | Neolink | Ok, thank |
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| 20:48.49 | summatusmentis | umm.... he came to ask me how i was? |
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| 20:49.14 | summatusmentis | welcome back :-) |
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| 21:03.18 | Neolink | Hi |
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| 21:06.11 | Zero_Chaos | can someone put a short ban on neolink until he stops join/part ing? |
| 21:06.32 | summatusmentis | I don't understand what he's doing... I'm assuming it's potentially an accident |
| 21:06.56 | Zero_Chaos | summatusmentis: I would believe that if he was quitting, but it's a part, he is just joining and leaving this room |
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| 21:17.09 | mimecar | re |
| 22:39.07 | JesseG2 | Hi guys! |
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