| 00:00.05 | summatusmentis | yeah, makes sense |
| 00:00.54 | wbx | are all angstrom developers, oe developers? |
| 00:01.41 | wbx | just in case i get used to my pda and find some bugs, it would be useful to understand the community/devloper model |
| 00:03.08 | summatusmentis | erm... I don't know how to answer that |
| 00:03.20 | summatusmentis | many angstrom devs also work on other projects |
| 00:03.42 | summatusmentis | CoreDump|home would be better suited to answer that, as I just submit bug reports |
| 00:04.59 | CoreDump|home | at this time all angstrom developers are indeed oe developers as well. Also angstrom benefits from all changes in OE made for other distributions |
| 00:05.34 | summatusmentis | at this time? that's likely to change up? |
| 00:05.34 | CoreDump|home | summatusmentis: you are building your own images. The alone raises you to the top 10% of Zaurus users ;) |
| 00:05.45 | CoreDump|home | summatusmentis: it is possible |
| 00:05.57 | summatusmentis | CoreDump|home: lol, fair enough, I'm struggling drastically, but that's fair I guess |
| 00:08.24 | wbx | so i am in a few hours, depending on the power of my ibm x40 under the top 10% ;) |
| 00:08.55 | summatusmentis | wbx: assuming all goes well |
| 00:09.00 | summatusmentis | in my experience, images hate me |
| 00:11.35 | wbx | summatusmentis: what is the worst case? kernel does not boot? |
| 00:12.01 | wbx | summatusmentis: everything is better than hanging in OpenBSD boot> ;) |
| 00:12.28 | CoreDump|home | the kernel is quite stable |
| 00:12.55 | summatusmentis | wbx: worst case scenario is the image doesn't build, and you can't figure out why |
| 00:12.59 | summatusmentis | and it eats away at you |
| 00:13.09 | CoreDump|home | hehe |
| 00:14.15 | summatusmentis | CoreDump|home: why no matchbox? |
| 00:14.46 | CoreDump|home | It really pisses me off that I can not minimize windows |
| 00:15.24 | summatusmentis | mmm... there's an applet that'll drop back the desktop |
| 00:15.31 | summatusmentis | not easiest way in the world, but it works |
| 00:15.34 | CoreDump|home | which is not the same =) |
| 00:15.48 | CoreDump|home | summatusmentis: did you try fluxbox-gpe already? |
| 00:15.53 | summatusmentis | lol, unless you're picky, then it doesn't work |
| 00:16.05 | summatusmentis | CoreDump|home: no, I haven't, I let GPE do it's thing |
| 00:16.18 | CoreDump|home | try it sometime |
| 00:16.47 | summatusmentis | any particular reason to? |
| 00:17.03 | CoreDump|home | well, a real WM on the Z rocks IMO |
| 00:17.43 | summatusmentis | lol, fair enough |
| 00:17.58 | summatusmentis | I'm hoping I can get e17 working, then I'll say goodbye to GPE forever |
| 00:19.11 | CoreDump|home | http://hentges.net/tmp/screenshots/Zaurus/Akita/Enlightenment/ |
| 00:20.09 | summatusmentis | build?!?!? |
| 00:20.16 | summatusmentis | oh, screenshots, nvm |
| 00:20.22 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 00:20.52 | summatusmentis | if I install e-wm on a GPE setup, it works fine |
| 00:21.20 | summatusmentis | but whatever I did, I think it might've been a console, then task-e-wm didn't work |
| 00:24.27 | summatusmentis | CoreDump|home: are you building the e-core-image? |
| 00:24.53 | CoreDump|home | nope, angstrom-e-image |
| 00:25.01 | summatusmentis | oh, ok |
| 00:25.35 | summatusmentis | CoreDump|home: what's the path for the angstrom images? |
| 00:25.50 | CoreDump|home | packages/angstrom |
| 00:26.58 | wbx | hmm. is it correct that bitbake will first build a lot of native tools, like file, pax, ..? |
| 00:27.13 | summatusmentis | wbx: yeah |
| 00:27.25 | summatusmentis | hrm... no angstrom-xfce-image :-/ |
| 00:28.27 | wbx | ui, 2.6.20, does angstrom use 2.6.20 for the target device? cool. |
| 00:28.43 | CoreDump|home | wbx: yeah =) |
| 00:29.05 | wbx | hmm. my umts line is slow.. |
| 00:29.18 | summatusmentis | umts? |
| 00:29.29 | summatusmentis | is that 3G cell? |
| 00:30.18 | wbx | yes. |
| 00:30.44 | summatusmentis | lol, I live in the middle of nowhere, sorry, not up on the 'hip 3G lingo' :-P |
| 00:30.56 | wbx | CoreDump|home: any know issues with any device drivers? does some cf bluetooth adapters work? |
| 00:31.33 | summatusmentis | wbx: some do, but you've got USB host too |
| 00:32.06 | wbx | summatusmentis: host and the special slave mode to connect to a pc? |
| 00:32.12 | CoreDump|home | wbx: it is usually a question of "does linux support this hardware?" If yes, it is very very likely it'll work on a Z |
| 00:32.28 | wbx | ah, nice. |
| 00:32.35 | summatusmentis | wbx: I don't understand what you're asking, can you rephrase? |
| 00:33.10 | wbx | hmm. and with 2.6.20 and option.c a usb umts modem should work, too. always on with my PDA :} |
| 00:33.12 | summatusmentis | CoreDump|home: were you around in #openmoko when someone mentioned that the linksys 802.11g wifi usb stick works natively in 2.6.22? |
| 00:33.29 | CoreDump|home | nope |
| 00:33.45 | CoreDump|home | a g wifi stick w/ OSS drivers? |
| 00:33.47 | wbx | summatusmentis: i mean, isn't there a mode which you can use to transfer data between a laptop and pda with a special usb cable and mode? |
| 00:34.19 | summatusmentis | CoreDump|home: apparently, I think it was WUSB54G was the product number |
| 00:34.40 | summatusmentis | wbx: there's usb networking, which will do that yes |
| 00:34.48 | wbx | there are some chipsets supported. ralink or zd1211 |
| 00:35.08 | wbx | but i have a cf wlan card for my terrier :} |
| 00:35.09 | summatusmentis | but the mini usb on the back also acts like a regular usb port |
| 00:35.38 | summatusmentis | CoreDump|home: I think it was linux_galore, I assume it's something to do w/ the linux devs offering to write drivers if the companies would give them specs |
| 00:35.43 | summatusmentis | and it's linksys, so... |
| 00:35.51 | CoreDump|home | interesting |
| 00:38.06 | summatusmentis | definitely |
| 00:39.02 | CoreDump|home | my 11MBit WLAN is good enough yet |
| 00:40.46 | summatusmentis | yeah, mine too, but it's good to know the option is there |
| 00:41.08 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
| 00:41.33 | CoreDump|home | I'd _really_ like to play w/ a tosa w/ built in BT and WLAN ;) |
| 00:43.54 | summatusmentis | heh, only issue there is space |
| 00:51.42 | CoreDump|home | actually it's money |
| 00:51.53 | CoreDump|home | that tosa goes for ~1000€ |
| 00:52.07 | summatusmentis | ouch... I've seen some for ~$700 |
| 01:00.34 | wbx | fine. partitioning worked like described. |
| 01:01.07 | wbx | so i go sleep and when i awake the build should be ready for flashing ... *dreaming* ;) |
| 01:01.22 | summatusmentis | wbx: good luck |
| 01:01.31 | wbx | thanks for your help. |
| 01:01.52 | summatusmentis | sure thing, CoreDump|home might be around for a while too if you need |
| 01:01.54 | wbx | it motivated me to finish this task... |
| 01:02.02 | summatusmentis | :-D |
| 01:02.20 | wbx | i have this device one year, without actually using it for anything useful :} |
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| 01:17.54 | CoreDump|home | summatusmentis: fwiw the xfce stuff appears to compile nicely |
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| 01:30.26 | summatusmentis | thanks CoreDump|home, i'm building now |
| 01:30.38 | summatusmentis | it'll be a while because I had to wipe tmp for it, but that's good to know |
| 01:31.58 | summatusmentis | is it working? |
| 01:32.15 | CoreDump|home | I haven't installed anything yet |
| 01:32.31 | summatusmentis | I se |
| 01:32.32 | summatusmentis | see* |
| 01:33.14 | CoreDump|home | xfce consists of quite a few different packages, dunno how they all fit together yet |
| 01:33.54 | summatusmentis | I see, yeah, I noticed that in the feeds |
| 01:33.57 | summatusmentis | here's hoping it works well |
| 01:34.15 | summatusmentis | my plan is to test all of the environments, and decide which one I like best |
| 01:34.24 | summatusmentis | at this point, I'm leaning e17 |
| 01:34.40 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 01:34.50 | CoreDump|home | e17 has _awsome_ eyecandy |
| 01:35.26 | summatusmentis | and i'm a sucker for eyecandy |
| 01:36.15 | CoreDump|home | so am I =D |
| 01:36.55 | CoreDump|home | !lart monotone.openembedded.org |
| 01:38.15 | CoreDump|home | !lart monotone.openembedded.org |
| 01:42.24 | CoreDump|home | summatusmentis: changes pushed. have fun w/ xfce |
| 01:42.37 | summatusmentis | oh bugger, hold on |
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| 02:51.33 | enginuitor | I'm trying to compile a QPE app onboard my Collie running OZ 3.5.4.1... |
| 02:52.07 | enginuitor | What packages do I need? I've so far installed gcc, binutils, libqpe-dev, libqte-dev... |
| 02:57.35 | enginuitor | I'm going to need uic and moc also... is there a package in the feeds which includes these? |
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| 04:24.41 | enginuitor | Where can I find a copy of moc for ARM? |
| 04:54.20 | JesseG2 | enginuitor, you have gcc on your collie..?! does it work? |
| 04:54.28 | enginuitor | GCC works |
| 04:54.43 | NAbyss_ | JesseG2: gcc's ram-hungry though.. |
| 04:54.53 | NAbyss_ | JesseG2: To get gcc working nicely on my spitz, I had to setup swap |
| 04:55.04 | enginuitor | Yeah, it takes forever |
| 04:55.29 | JesseG2 | hehe I'll bet it takes a while. I have all of my 64M available and a 150MB swap on SD card. |
| 04:55.49 | enginuitor | I'm about 80% through getting this package to compile, but it needs moc and uic to work, and I can't find a working copy of either for ARM |
| 04:57.26 | JesseG2 | Ever heard of allegro working in OZ? (allegro the graphics library) |
| 04:59.30 | JesseG2 | I guess SDL works |
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| 05:10.43 | enginuitor | I'm going to set up a swap as soon as I get a new SD card |
| 05:11.11 | enginuitor | This one hangs if you try to read/write a certain block, so I had to partition around it |
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| 05:55.05 | enginuitor | yeargh |
| 05:55.35 | enginuitor | I've installed the package libqpe-dev, yet ld complains: "cannot find -lqpe" |
| 05:56.15 | enginuitor | oh, wait |
| 05:56.23 | enginuitor | I forgot to set QPEDIR |
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| 07:57.24 | go1dfish | pardon my noobishness, but is there a mapping for control/alt in oz 3.5.4.1 on tosa? |
| 07:58.24 | go1dfish | failing that does anyone know where I can find out the keycodes for the calender, contacts etc.. hardware buttons so I can remap them myself |
| 08:01.51 | hrw | run showkey |
| 08:03.20 | go1dfish | hrw: thanks, that works |
| 08:06.12 | go1dfish | this will probably be fruitless, but I have to ask, anyone know a place to get replacement tosa batteries or the expansion sled/ |
| 08:07.15 | hrw | no idea |
| 08:08.05 | go1dfish | yeah I think the supply has pretty much dried up, I search around every couple of months, but haven't seen anything, I knew I should have bought a sled a couple of years ago |
| 08:16.49 | hrw | tosa was not popular device (mainly due to its price) |
| 08:29.29 | go1dfish | yeah, still quite a machine though |
| 08:31.33 | go1dfish | though if I had to pay retail when I got this I wouldnt have |
| 08:32.01 | hrw | which system you have on it? |
| 08:32.03 | go1dfish | got it for 400 USD about 6 months after release |
| 08:32.13 | go1dfish | though missing the dock |
| 08:32.32 | go1dfish | only piece of hardware I have thats ever appreciated |
| 08:32.54 | go1dfish | oz 3.4.5.1 just flashed it a few days ago |
| 08:32.56 | hrw | tosa dock is huge and useless |
| 08:33.01 | hrw | gpe or opie? |
| 08:33.04 | go1dfish | gpe |
| 08:33.25 | go1dfish | in a 1gig disk image on a 4gig cf card |
| 08:33.54 | go1dfish | Im going to try to do pocketworkstation in a separate image file |
| 08:33.57 | XorA | go1dfish: sweet |
| 08:34.39 | go1dfish | I have an old 5500 as well |
| 08:34.56 | XorA | go1dfish: if you want some fun, you should be able to compile Angstrom kernel with root=/dev/hda1 and install armel debian image on CF card |
| 08:35.03 | go1dfish | but its seeen a LOT of use, the keyboard slide is wore out |
| 08:35.35 | go1dfish | hmm, well I'm liking gpe, id just like a wider app selection |
| 08:35.56 | go1dfish | which is why im considering setting up pocketworkstation |
| 08:36.27 | go1dfish | I had it running under the stock rom, but should be faster with a native x11 implementation |
| 08:36.53 | XorA | yeah, it runs fine with a couple of bind mounts for /proc /tmp /dev |
| 08:37.04 | XorA | then you can fire up real mozilla :-) |
| 08:37.08 | go1dfish | heh |
| 08:37.29 | go1dfish | I just installed firefox from the oz feeds |
| 08:38.01 | go1dfish | want to get http://mp3tunes.com/m working in dome fashion on this thing |
| 08:42.51 | XorA | ~lart firefox |
| 08:42.51 | ibot | gives firefox an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending firefox to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
| 08:44.48 | go1dfish | I notice yelllow graphical artifacts in oz |
| 08:45.15 | hrw | go1dfish: they are in all !sharp images |
| 08:45.19 | go1dfish | is that due to acceleration? |
| 08:45.23 | hrw | no |
| 08:45.31 | hrw | it is bug in all kernels |
| 08:45.51 | go1dfish | ah not that aggrivating, just curious |
| 08:45.59 | hrw | even kernel built from sharp sources have it ;( |
| 08:46.34 | go1dfish | I believe the graphics chip in this thing supports some acceleration |
| 08:46.51 | go1dfish | but afaik nobody has ever written drivers for it |
| 08:47.27 | hrw | sort of |
| 08:50.16 | XorA | what chip is in the tosa? |
| 08:51.40 | go1dfish | 400mhz xscale |
| 08:51.46 | hrw | toshiba something |
| 08:52.27 | go1dfish | dont know the graphics chip |
| 08:53.09 | hrw | XorA: and we can provide device |
| 08:53.41 | XorA | hrw: exactly |
| 08:54.26 | go1dfish | how far along is angstrom |
| 08:55.03 | go1dfish | I considered trying it out and if I can dual boot fairly easily I will |
| 08:55.30 | XorA | http://www.oesf.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t8988.html |
| 08:56.07 | XorA | go1dfish: angstrom is about the same level as OZ reached, just with some later app versions |
| 08:56.32 | XorA | go1dfish: just some roughness here and there, which more people run, report bugs/fixes the quicker we can sand them off |
| 08:59.41 | go1dfish | cool I was figuring it was close to oz |
| 09:00.05 | XorA | only firefox is buggered :-( |
| 09:01.56 | lardman | I thought that was a given as it was slow, or have things changed with it? |
| 09:02.21 | lardman | Or is the build buggered too? |
| 09:07.20 | XorA | firefox + arm + gcc4 doesnt seem to work |
| 09:11.41 | go1dfish | imo firefox is getting bloated |
| 09:12.18 | go1dfish | heh embedded epiphany would be cool |
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| 11:43.43 | Phoix | is there a way to unpack an .ipk file on either a windows xp machine or linux machine .. i only need one file out of it |
| 11:44.51 | XorA | ar -x blah.ipk; tar zxvf data.tar.gz |
| 11:56.52 | Phoix | cool thanks i'll try that |
| 11:57.26 | Phoix | damn.. it says x: applet not found |
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| 12:09.42 | Phoix | ar -x works on my other linux box : |
| 12:09.44 | Phoix | ) |
| 12:44.28 | Phoix | i need to somehow get the module ide-cs.o for the lineo ulinux 2.4.20 kernel? how can i do this, how would i compile it for this kernel? as i have blown the partition table and have openbsd installed but not booting because this file is missing. i have started the zaurus with the d+B combination... can anyone help? |
| 12:45.24 | XorA | Phoix: what zaurus? |
| 12:45.30 | Phoix | sl-c3200 |
| 12:45.44 | XorA | what ROM do you have on it? |
| 12:46.01 | Phoix | non at the moment as i have installed openbsd |
| 12:46.15 | XorA | doesnt open BSD boot from inside the Sharp ROM? |
| 12:46.21 | XorA | it used to |
| 12:46.45 | Phoix | yes it tries but it cannot find the module ide-cs.o to run modprobe on it |
| 12:47.05 | Phoix | thus it cannot see the hard drive, i think |
| 12:47.39 | XorA | so you must therefore have a distro on the 3200 |
| 12:48.39 | Phoix | so i have to install openzaurus or something in order to compile/get that file first? |
| 12:48.57 | Phoix | or am i getting the wrong idea here? |
| 12:51.43 | XorA | Phoix: from what I recall, you need a sharp rom based distro on zaurus, you then install OpenBSD beside that, it adds an icon to boot into BSD from sharprom |
| 12:52.27 | Phoix | hmm. ok do you know where i can get a sharprom because their main site keeps saying file not found to download the roms? |
| 12:53.41 | XorA | cacko |
| 12:53.52 | XorA | sharpromfeed.linuxtogo.org |
| 12:54.48 | Phoix | thanks alot |
| 12:54.53 | Phoix | :) |
| 12:57.33 | XorA | http://sharpromfeed.home.linuxtogo.org/ |
| 12:57.34 | Phoix | that site only has info on os's like opie and angstrom etc. nothing about cacko |
| 12:57.52 | Phoix | ok cool |
| 12:57.53 | XorA | http://sharpromfeed.home.linuxtogo.org/download/cacko/ |
| 12:58.13 | XorA | was trying to work from memory |
| 12:59.48 | Phoix | :) |
| 13:00.32 | Phoix | do i need to recreate the three partitions as i have at the moment only one bsd partition? |
| 13:01.24 | XorA | Phoix: proabably |
| 13:01.33 | Phoix | :) ok |
| 13:01.44 | Phoix | i'll read through the readme .. heh |
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| 13:56.22 | summatusmentis | XorA: I actaully have a contact at te UK National Lottery, just give ME all of your bank details, and they'll get there quicker than email :-) |
| 13:57.02 | XorA | summatusmentis: ok, Satans First Bank, 06660666 1666166600 |
| 13:57.19 | summatusmentis | :-P |
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| 14:36.31 | hitz | hi |
| 14:36.48 | summatusmentis | hi hitz |
| 14:37.18 | hitz | I have bought wireless CF card with prism2 chip |
| 14:37.32 | hitz | what package I need ? |
| 14:37.44 | hitz | what driver I must use? |
| 14:37.56 | XorA | should work without any extra packages on most Z |
| 14:38.36 | hitz | My zaurus is a Collie |
| 14:39.54 | XorA | put card in, type lsmod check hostap* is modprobed |
| 14:39.58 | hitz | where is the modules directori in OZ ? |
| 14:40.12 | hitz | hostap is not modprobed |
| 14:40.32 | XorA | ipkg list_installed | grep hostap then |
| 14:40.36 | hitz | then I do: |
| 14:40.38 | hitz | root@collie:~# modprobe hostap |
| 14:40.38 | hitz | Using /lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix/net/hostap.o |
| 14:40.56 | XorA | ah did it modprobe orinoco? |
| 14:41.02 | hitz | dmesg shows: hostap_crypt: registered algorithm 'NULL' |
| 14:41.22 | hitz | no |
| 14:41.32 | hitz | I must up orinoco module too? |
| 14:41.37 | XorA | no |
| 14:41.42 | hitz | lsmod shows: hostap 99536 0 (unused) |
| 14:41.47 | XorA | some cards just mistakenly load that as well |
| 14:41.58 | XorA | its rare to find a card that loads neither |
| 14:42.10 | hitz | there is any "lspci" to OZ ? |
| 14:42.18 | XorA | cardctl info |
| 14:42.33 | hitz | root@collie:~# cardctl info |
| 14:42.33 | hitz | PRODID_1="D-Link" |
| 14:42.33 | hitz | PRODID_2="DCF-650W" |
| 14:42.39 | XorA | sorry its been so long since I ran a collie I am a little rusty |
| 14:42.52 | XorA | thats certainly a card that should just work (tm) |
| 14:43.18 | hitz | ok |
| 14:43.18 | Kevin` | can anyone point me in the right direction for installing the kdrive x server on debian? |
| 14:43.49 | hitz | XorA: but the module I need is hostap |
| 14:43.50 | hitz | ? |
| 14:44.01 | XorA | hitz: yes, hostap is the correct drivers for that cardf |
| 14:44.09 | XorA | hitz: and they should load automatically |
| 14:44.24 | hitz | :_( |
| 14:44.51 | hitz | do you know where are the modules ? |
| 14:44.59 | hitz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.47 | hitz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.48 | hitz | ;-) |
| 15:00.53 | enginuitor | OK, I've got a very strange problem... |
| 15:01.24 | enginuitor | I just compiled qpegps onboard my SL-5500 (only took a few hours!), and now I'm trying to run it, but when I execute the file, it immediately segfaults... |
| 15:01.37 | enginuitor | BUT! when I execute it from an SSH session, it runs |
| 15:02.00 | enginuitor | Besides environment variables, what else could be different? |
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| 15:07.29 | freepenguin | Hi! with the help of Freenode, Free Penguin is now available in Portuguese: www.freepenguin.it/index-br.html |
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| 15:15.28 | enginuitor | Yecch, great time for my network connection to silently fail |
| 15:16.16 | enginuitor | Oh, also, does anyone know why my resolv.conf keeps getting deleted? |
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| 16:18.52 | Phoix | i've killed my zaurus sl-c3200 i've been messing around with it for hours now trying to get cacko to boot it keeps coming up with HDD1 ERROR i have found some forum posts with people who have had the same problem and have followed there instructions mainly that the cf needs to be fat16 before you flash, anyone know what else the problem could be? |
| 16:20.02 | Kevin` | hey, does anyone know how I could easily compile kdrive for debian? |
| 16:20.21 | Kevin` | Phoix kacko itself or the updater |
| 16:23.09 | Kevin` | Phoix ? |
| 16:42.26 | Phoix | its ok got it working now |
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| 18:05.43 | enginuitor | Yeargh! |
| 18:13.36 | summatusmentis | enginuitor: ? |
| 18:14.13 | enginuitor | I worked for most of yesterday and all of this morning trying to set up a cross-compile environment to develop for Opie on ARM from my x86 machine |
| 18:14.40 | enginuitor | I finally got a simple "hello world" app to compile, but when executed on the Zaurus, it immediately segfaults |
| 18:16.12 | summatusmentis | ouch... that's rough |
| 18:16.57 | enginuitor | I think it's an issue with the QT or QPE libs I'm using |
| 18:16.57 | enginuitor | A few weeks ago I tried for two days straight to set this up, and eventually gave up |
| 18:17.02 | enginuitor | At least this time I got to compile something |
| 18:17.16 | summatusmentis | so you're making progress |
| 18:17.21 | summatusmentis | I'm sorry I can't be more help |
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| 22:04.07 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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