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| 04:15.59 | kRiMe8_ | anyone in here from cali im going on vacation want to know the hot spots to hitup |
| 05:15.05 | lazd | what part of cali are you in? |
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| 06:17.53 | daurn | uh, I've only been for a few days |
| 06:18.01 | daurn | but, san fran was good |
| 06:18.05 | daurn | LA was a piece of crap |
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| 06:50.26 | lazd | anyone alive? |
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| 08:02.30 | kRiMe8_ | im going to san fran |
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| 14:14.28 | kryl | hi |
| 14:14.38 | kryl | I search a doc on zaurus I/O ? |
| 14:14.45 | kryl | I have a sl-c760 model |
| 14:15.09 | kryl | I want to detail the io capability for robotic device control |
| 14:15.33 | kryl | is it possible to obtain some help there please? |
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| 19:47.39 | lazd | anyone around? |
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| 20:02.43 | kRiMe8 | word up all |
| 20:03.36 | lazd | sappanin |
| 20:03.39 | lazd | hows cali |
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| 20:08.33 | kRiMe8 | nice i just got to the hotel |
| 20:08.52 | kRiMe8 | and i just missed the bad weather back home in FLA |
| 20:09.31 | lazd | good stuff, native northern californian here. it's rainy up here in chico |
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| 20:09.56 | lazd | so i assume you're using your zaurus right now? |
| 20:10.35 | kRiMe8 | no i got my laptop with me i need to charge my zaurus |
| 20:10.55 | lazd | ic, what model/distro are you running on the z? |
| 20:17.38 | kRiMe8 | opie 1.2.1, openzaurus ver. 3.5.4.2-rc2 with the 2.6.17-3.5.4.2-rc2 linux kernal |
| 20:18.03 | lazd | good stuff, OZ3.5.4 here on a collie |
| 21:10.15 | kRiMe8 | nice i need to track down a collie, i found my poddle in a pawn shop for under $100 |
| 21:19.13 | summatusmentis | I've got a collie, and a terrier(3200) |
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| 22:49.08 | lazd | good stuff, what have you guys been doing with you zarii lately? anything cool? |
| 22:51.05 | lazd | as for me, mostly as a GPS navigator with qpeGPS and Roadmap and i'm looking forward to connecting to my phone via bluetooth to do "dialup networking" (already have my laptop doing this, need a BT card for the zaurus) |
| 22:55.04 | bluelightning | lazd: do you use opie? |
| 22:56.27 | lazd | yeah 1.2.1 under 2.4.1.8 |
| 22:57.01 | bluelightning | lazd: cool.. I'm an Opie developer, always nice to hear people using it :) |
| 22:57.18 | lazd | righton! what parts do you work on? |
| 22:57.21 | bluelightning | 1.2.3 came out recently, pity there is no distribution that includes it yet |
| 22:57.33 | bluelightning | I've made bugfixes all over the place really |
| 22:58.00 | bluelightning | if I had to pick a box, then PIM is my area of greatest interest |
| 22:58.17 | bluelightning | I've done a bit of work on getting OpenSync to work with Opie also |
| 22:58.45 | lazd | good stuff, the PIM apps work nicely, i never did do anything with syncing |
| 22:59.45 | bluelightning | there are two other areas I'd like to see improved as well: (1) mp3 playback and (2) web browsing |
| 23:00.05 | lazd | indeed, i'm forced to use opieplayer 1 to get streaming radio to function |
| 23:00.17 | lazd | i stream from my desktop computer using icecast and liveice and walk around the house with the zaurus |
| 23:00.28 | bluelightning | I haven't done anything for (1) yet... for (2) there is a new version of Konqueror Embedded but again we are hampered by the lack of an officially supporting distribution |
| 23:00.31 | lazd | web browsing -- i don't even try |
| 23:01.01 | lazd | yeah, it's a pity that OZ died and that angstrom doesn't yet fully support the collie, leaves me sorta stuck |
| 23:01.27 | lazd | i've got an konq, i just avoid using it |
| 23:01.30 | bluelightning | IIRC the problem with collie was always the partially-closed kernel |
| 23:01.55 | lazd | the best use i had was downloading a full html version of 1984 at an airport in seattle on my way to BC |
| 23:02.01 | lazd | plenty useful :) |
| 23:02.11 | lazd | it's no safari, however, what an experience. |
| 23:02.13 | bluelightning | cool, good book that one :) |
| 23:02.43 | lazd | safari on the ipod touch is simply wonderful, closest thing i've seen to a desktop browsing experience in my hand |
| 23:02.57 | lazd | it's so interesting, my good friend got an ipod touch and the hacking community has been going wild porting apps and getting things to work |
| 23:03.19 | lazd | still with nowhere near the total functionality of the zaurus, but boy does it full those gaps 1 & 2 |
| 23:03.27 | bluelightning | hmm |
| 23:03.55 | bluelightning | I'm not particularly enthused by anything apple-related, but yes they make some nice stuff |
| 23:05.09 | lazd | the touch really picks up where other handheld computers left off, it sucks there is no developer support at the moment, but rumor has it a SDK will be available in january |
| 23:05.47 | kolla | I've played with iphone, and I really dont grasp what's so great |
| 23:05.53 | lazd | i can see it making quite a large impact on the market due to it's roots |
| 23:06.13 | lazd | individuals are currently under the impression that the iphone is a phone with an mp3 player in it |
| 23:06.41 | lazd | slowly but surely, jobs is slipping a full UNIX computer into the pockets of average people, giving them the potential for the power we've had all these years |
| 23:07.10 | bluelightning | but, under the strict control of Apple (and AT&T) |
| 23:07.19 | lazd | unfortunatley :( |
| 23:07.24 | kolla | and what power is that? :) |
| 23:07.26 | lazd | but the itouch holds pormise |
| 23:07.37 | lazd | everything you can do with a zaurus! |
| 23:07.52 | kolla | that's not much :) |
| 23:07.55 | lazd | i never wondered why iPod was a word that had no direct connection to MP3s, it's meant to be the newton 2 |
| 23:07.57 | lazd | heh |
| 23:08.03 | lazd | i actually sat down |
| 23:08.09 | lazd | and wrote a list of the shit my zaurus does |
| 23:08.12 | lazd | it's pretty amazing |
| 23:08.21 | kolla | newton was a hek lot better than both zaurus and iphone |
| 23:08.25 | kolla | +c |
| 23:08.26 | lazd | compared to the itouch, in it's infancy, the zaurus is far more powerful |
| 23:08.47 | lazd | i've never used a newton, it had many cool features i've read about, but really -- OSX in your hand is alot of power |
| 23:08.50 | lazd | i'mma paste that list :D |
| 23:09.04 | bluelightning | lazd: don't forget to pastebin :) |
| 23:09.09 | kolla | OSX hands you lots of bloat |
| 23:09.16 | lazd | agreed |
| 23:09.31 | lazd | with a 400MHz ARM, the bloat hasn't surfaced yet :P |
| 23:09.35 | kolla | and from apple.. a battery that you need to surgically replace after Too Short Time [tm] |
| 23:09.46 | lazd | playing the the iphone (my roomate has got one), the UI is snappy |
| 23:09.52 | lazd | agreed! the battery is a problem |
| 23:09.58 | lazd | apple always had a problem of trying to keep people out of the box |
| 23:10.07 | lazd | remember "Cracking" old macs? you needed a special tool to get them apart! |
| 23:10.11 | kolla | I had no problem running away from the UI on the iphone :P |
| 23:10.18 | lazd | hehe |
| 23:10.25 | kolla | aso, without a stylus it was really a pain |
| 23:10.27 | kolla | also |
| 23:10.28 | lazd | what's your current comfortable environment? |
| 23:10.46 | kolla | comfortable? not since decade+ :) |
| 23:10.50 | lazd | ah |
| 23:10.54 | lazd | the term |
| 23:10.54 | lazd | lol |
| 23:11.12 | lazd | well, just pop open a virtual terminal on the iphone and you'll feel right at home :D |
| 23:11.25 | lazd | first app i installed on my zaurus, that's for sure |
| 23:11.25 | lazd | lol |
| 23:11.51 | kolla | I dont fancy that I need to look at a display or keys to type, I'm currently using SE phone which is ok, palm was really stupid in all ways, but also on that I could type blindly |
| 23:12.48 | lazd | http://lazd.net/-random/What%20does%20a%20zaurus%20do.txt |
| 23:13.17 | kolla | well, the typical feature list |
| 23:13.24 | kolla | "organize" |
| 23:14.16 | kolla | the newton recognized text as different kinds of datatypes that could be managed by various installed apps |
| 23:14.51 | kolla | meaning that all apps integrate more or less automatically |
| 23:15.17 | lazd | the lovely product of apple's control' |
| 23:15.20 | lazd | integrated elegance |
| 23:15.37 | lazd | in that case, not at the cost of potential |
| 23:15.46 | lazd | but in many cases, it has been. |
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| 23:18.25 | kolla | you could even type a sentance and it would recognize words, and create links.. so that if you type "meeting with john on wednesday 12th of november in the green room" it would actually link the "john" in your addressbook to the date in the scheduler and the "green room" also in addressbook |
| 23:18.38 | lazd | smart stuff |
| 23:19.04 | kolla | and screen rotation was something you just had, in any app |
| 23:19.57 | lazd | we're doing it now with the motion of physically orienting the device |
| 23:20.05 | lazd | great technology |
| 23:20.11 | lazd | i just hope apple doesn't lost sight of it's roots -- the garage |
| 23:20.16 | lazd | the homebuilt computer club |
| 23:20.27 | lazd | homebrew*? |
| 23:20.27 | lazd | lopl |
| 23:20.34 | kolla | I hate that physically stuff.. |
| 23:20.48 | kolla | when I'm in my bed, I dont want it to tilt around on its own |
| 23:20.51 | bluelightning | bbl |
| 23:21.03 | lazd | yeah good point, if you're laying sideways |
| 23:21.21 | kolla | I dont see the point of making it automatically |
| 23:21.32 | lazd | not a problem that couldn't be solved with some clever shaking gestures |
| 23:21.49 | kolla | or an option to turn that darn thing off |
| 23:21.52 | lazd | haha yes |
| 23:22.31 | lazd | the point is that it's a natural motion, but nothing in nature reacts in this way when rotated except liquids |
| 23:22.40 | lazd | just another way of abstracting user input |
| 23:22.50 | lazd | hell, the think senses proximity and light too |
| 23:22.53 | lazd | thing* |
| 23:22.56 | kolla | why should I be bothered with laws of nature in a virtual environment? |
| 23:23.00 | kolla | sheesh! |
| 23:23.13 | lazd | haha it all goes back to familiarity |
| 23:23.29 | kolla | might just well get a good old notebook and a pencil, cause that's soon what apple will sell me |
| 23:23.48 | kolla | just a darn expencive and glorified one |
| 23:23.56 | lazd | nah, the point is that generations past ours will continue to evolve their input methods |
| 23:24.17 | kolla | no, they will si there with a major energy crisis |
| 23:24.19 | kolla | sit |
| 23:24.35 | lazd | exploring new and different ways that draw analogs to familiar motions will drive changes in input methods |
| 23:24.38 | lazd | haha entirely agreed |
| 23:24.39 | kolla | when the oil ends real soon now, there will be no more cheapo electronics |
| 23:24.51 | lazd | http://sustain.lazd.net/ you might be interested |
| 23:24.58 | lazd | project for a college class i'm taking |
| 23:25.58 | kolla | ok, I might be a cynic, but in my view.. our responsibility is irrelevant :) |
| 23:26.15 | kolla | we wont manage to kill life |
| 23:26.19 | kolla | not even if we tried |
| 23:26.37 | lazd | humanity, however, we are more than capable of destroying |
| 23:26.55 | kolla | so we will be destroid |
| 23:27.02 | kolla | destroyed |
| 23:27.13 | kolla | but life goes on |
| 23:27.41 | lazd | life will continue within the bounds of the sarcophagus erected around the chenobyl reactor that blew up in 1986, in fact, it thrives in the form of a thick black slime on the walls that feeds of the gamma radiation that will continue to be produced for a moderate 24,000 years |
| 23:27.44 | kolla | and yes, earth will die one day, but not becuse of us :) |
| 23:27.54 | lazd | but humanity, as we know it, does not exist in that picture |
| 23:28.28 | kolla | lazd: been there? it's more like a national park these days, where wild life goes on without human contact |
| 23:28.30 | lazd | and of course, we'll eventually be engulfed by an exploding star and become of victim of the very thing that gives us life |
| 23:29.27 | lazd | no i haven't, i've read quite a bit on the subject recently via elena filatova's photo essays |
| 23:29.30 | lazd | very interesting |
| 23:29.52 | kolla | the motor bike rider? |
| 23:29.58 | lazd | yes, http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/chapter1.html |
| 23:30.01 | lazd | lol angelfire, but yes |
| 23:30.36 | lazd | yeah, humanity isn't in the picture painted by elena's photos |
| 23:30.53 | lazd | like kolla said, we won't stop life, but like i said, we may stop us. |
| 23:31.30 | kolla | well, that's good though, isnt it? :) |
| 23:31.46 | lazd | in the grand scheme of things, a little slime goes a long way :) |
| 23:32.55 | kolla | remember when I had biology at school and we compared population maps with those of rats... |
| 23:34.01 | lazd | in terms of growth or in the analogy of an "infestation" of a given environment? |
| 23:34.19 | kolla | both, really |
| 23:34.25 | kolla | they're connected |
| 23:35.47 | lazd | by all means |
| 23:36.13 | lazd | did the course point out the analogy of humans as an infestation? |
| 23:38.35 | kolla | our teacher just said something along the lines of "you might see some resemblence here..." :) |
| 23:38.59 | lazd | haha |
| 23:39.01 | kolla | the graphs were more or less identical :) |
| 23:39.40 | kolla | ".. I dont want to predict the future, but... you get the idea." :) |
| 23:39.49 | lazd | heh |
| 23:40.16 | lazd | yup. we're on the edge of a slippery slope if we're not already sailing merrily down it |
| 23:42.27 | lazd | to the outside, we're WAY off topic, but a quick scroll up brings the roots of the conversation to like -- the energy crisis means no fun for all of us. hopefully i'll have some solar panels to charge my zaurus by then |
| 23:42.36 | lazd | to light* |
| 23:43.20 | lazd | and sumbuddy better keep those intertubes around, useful little tubes they are. |
| 23:43.52 | kolla | :) |
| 23:45.52 | lazd | kolla, if there's any chance of finding a source for the rats/human population graphs, i would appreciate it if you sent it my way, it'd be a great idea to bring up in class |
| 23:46.09 | lazd | better yet, create an account at sustain.lazd.net and add it as an Idea |
| 23:46.26 | lazd | did you check out the whole idea behind sustain.lazd.net? |
| 23:46.54 | kolla | not really |
| 23:46.58 | kolla | doing it now |
| 23:48.36 | lazd | the whole point is that entries are added and tagged with keywords, then the system correlates entries based on their tags (currently very rudimentry) and displays the results to a visitor who hopefully will read them all and gain insight or a push to make a change |
| 23:49.20 | lazd | here's a good example, http://sustain.lazd.net/daprocess.php?types=9 |
| 23:50.45 | lazd | after adding a few entires, it put a select few together and prompted me to gain deeper insight into the problem that is america's gigantic, selfish footprint. then i saw a news article about a the renewable energy efforts of iceland and added it as a solution |
| 23:52.39 | lazd | so it doesn't produce anything new, it just takes things we know and puts them into perspective, hopefully prompting some useful inference. |
| 23:53.26 | kolla | mm |
| 23:57.48 | lazd | it's odd/interesting, when signing up for "computers in our society: the ethical impact of computers in our world", i never thought that we... wouldn't mention computers... the text of the class has nothing to do with computing (daniel quinn's "ishmael" and "the ecology of commerce") and the content of lecture only concerns only the topic of sustainability as a result of a new initiative on the university's part -- http://www.csuchico. |
| 23:57.53 | lazd | so.... i wrote sustain.lazd.net |
| 23:58.18 | lazd | because i didn't want to write papers on ray anderson's major influences for his fucking carpet tile company or something |
| 23:58.19 | lazd | lol |
| 23:58.55 | kolla | :) |
| 23:59.31 | lazd | it's nice, the teacher is letting me get away with it too and giving A's for all the assignments based on my progress on the site. i hope it ends up actually doing something useful. i had the whole class create accounts, but no one has been active... |
| 23:59.54 | lazd | the system is useless without tons of information... i should start promoting it when i finish it |
| 23:59.55 | kolla | I used the term "proofiness" in discussion earlier today, I was really thinking of truthiness, but then I did a google on proofiness and found this one.. http://www.watleyreview.com/2006/032106-2.html |