| 00:00:11 | merlin262 | X segfaulted on me yesterday. :( |
| 00:00:18 | Xentac | that's not cool |
| 00:00:25 | merlin262 | I really need to update to 4.2.1 |
| 00:00:31 | merlin262 | kicks debian. |
| 00:00:58 | Xentac | geez... galeon... more or less on startup (opened one new tab and one image in that tab) takes up 122meg |
| 00:01:06 | carpman | pops his head in |
| 00:01:15 | carpman | I need to update to betterThanX... |
| 00:01:44 | carpman | drops an xlib reference manual on file |
| 00:02:06 | carpman | pops back out to watch "Good Eats" |
| 00:02:26 | Xentac | and evolution, more or less on startup takes 11124k for the executive-summary and 38700k for mail |
| 00:02:32 | KeyserSoze | 122?!? |
| 00:02:43 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: correct |
| 00:03:48 | KeyserSoze | hmm. |
| 00:04:02 | KeyserSoze | i have one galeon open, but 5 galeon processes, each with 8.3 MB |
| 00:04:09 | Xentac | really... |
| 00:04:12 | KeyserSoze | and my /etc/X11/X is only 6.1MB |
| 00:04:14 | Xentac | maybe gtop is calculating it wrong... |
| 00:04:21 | Xentac | but I thought it was doing it more or less correctly |
| 00:04:28 | KeyserSoze | i am also using gtop |
| 00:04:28 | Xentac | did his best to verify |
| 00:04:49 | Xentac | hmmm... |
| 00:04:51 | Xentac | strange |
| 00:04:51 | KeyserSoze | i closed my single galeon window, and all 5 processes disappeared. |
| 00:04:57 | KeyserSoze | and now X is only 5.9MB |
| 00:05:01 | Xentac | mostly uses tabs |
| 00:05:10 | KeyserSoze | LOVES tabs in galeon |
| 00:05:14 | merlin262 | lol |
| 00:05:17 | KeyserSoze | how did /me ever get along without them? |
| 00:05:19 | Xentac | ok, just checking |
| 00:05:53 | Xentac | re-checking... XFree86 takes up 49168k of the Resident memory |
| 00:05:53 | merlin262 | looks at stack of XLib books. |
| 00:06:32 | merlin262 | 53M |
| 00:06:40 | Xentac | galeon-bin takes 122832k... |
| 00:06:49 | Xentac | wonders what dist KeyserSoze is running... Mandrake isn't it? |
| 00:06:59 | KeyserSoze | what the heck. when i go to "memory usage (resident)" it says X is using 15232kB. |
| 00:07:08 | KeyserSoze | yep. mandrake 8.1 |
| 00:07:09 | Xentac | there you go... |
| 00:07:26 | KeyserSoze | ahah! mandrake is better than the vaunted debian! |
| 00:07:37 | Xentac | ummm... yeah... something like that... |
| 00:07:44 | Xentac | is running an old cvs X version... |
| 00:07:51 | Xentac | just barely post 4.2.0 |
| 00:07:58 | KeyserSoze | huh. "kdeinit" is using 77992kB, but it is not listed as a process... |
| 00:08:08 | Xentac | ummm... strange... |
| 00:08:24 | Xentac | maybe the memory usage tab does some conversions? |
| 00:08:41 | Xentac | geez... xmms is taking up 91meg now... |
| 00:08:54 | Xentac | ah well... 512meg of ram... and a 512meg swap still hold it all |
| 00:09:40 | KeyserSoze | hmmm. i have like 20 "kdeinit: xxx" processes, each with less than 5MB. |
| 00:10:12 | KeyserSoze | but they only add to 31MB, all together. |
| 00:10:21 | merlin262 | kde sucks memory |
| 00:10:22 | KeyserSoze | closes gtop, never to look at it again. |
| 00:10:35 | KeyserSoze | wanted to try pwm, but gave up. |
| 00:10:56 | KeyserSoze | i guess i could still use something lighter than KDE, though. |
| 00:11:06 | KeyserSoze | i think i've got blackice installed. |
| 00:12:13 | merlin262 | so, anyone here like slashdot? |
| 00:12:24 | fragglet | yes! ... no |
| 00:12:32 | KeyserSoze | yup, and windowmaker, xfce, enlightenment |
| 00:12:32 | merlin262 | i'm hoping for no's |
| 00:12:43 | KeyserSoze | why? |
| 00:12:43 | merlin262 | enlightenment is very nice, if never updated |
| 00:12:56 | probe | PicoBot: surprise! |
| 00:12:56 | PicoBot | bagel! |
| 00:13:21 | KeyserSoze | last time I used E, it was on a slow machine, and the nice transparency was too slow. |
| 00:13:21 | fragglet | PicoBot: spank |
| 00:13:21 | PicoBot | spanks |
| 00:13:22 | merlin262 | pizza! |
| 00:13:23 | probe | anyone active? |
| 00:13:27 | probe | oh... yup |
| 00:13:37 | fragglet | KeyserSoze: you shouldnt do drugs man |
| 00:13:41 | KeyserSoze | but if I get the nvidia drivers going, I think i can have hardware 3d accel, and it'll fly. |
| 00:14:01 | probe | whoa... who's getting high? |
| 00:14:26 | KeyserSoze | no one. i said "E" as in "enlightenment", and fragglet thought I meant the drug ecstacy. |
| 00:14:30 | KeyserSoze | it was an honest mistake. |
| 00:14:36 | fragglet | i was kidding :P |
| 00:14:47 | probe | nods to the soothing rythym of Paul Simon's "America |
| 00:14:50 | KeyserSoze | actually, when I use ecsteacy, the transparency and shading don't lag at all. |
| 00:14:52 | probe | heh |
| 00:14:59 | merlin262 | roflol |
| 00:15:00 | KeyserSoze | what's wrong with /.? |
| 00:15:23 | fragglet | what isnt |
| 00:15:44 | probe | If I ever make a GUI, I'm calling it penGUIn |
| 00:15:57 | probe | for no reason in paticular = ] |
| 00:16:01 | merlin262 | i dunno, i started reading /. about 3-4 years ago, and it's been a steady slide downhill |
| 00:16:21 | KeyserSoze | doesn't read it regularly, only finds a link once in a while. |
| 00:16:58 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: hehehe... when you do E... I guess your processor is fast enough... |
| 00:17:17 | Xentac | has to start getting ready to get beat up... |
| 00:17:59 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: oddly enough, my processor speed appears to increas when I do E, unlike my PC. |
| 00:18:08 | Xentac | hehehe... turbo button... |
| 00:18:38 | probe | (sigh) |
| 00:18:46 | probe | has to continue working on his essay |
| 00:18:49 | Xentac | probe: (what's up?) |
| 00:19:04 | probe | Xentac: not too muh |
| 00:19:04 | merlin262 | i'm in the same shape |
| 00:20:21 | KeyserSoze | what's the context for the name "merlin"? |
| 00:21:05 | KeyserSoze | BBC? |
| 00:21:51 | merlin262 | hrm. |
| 00:22:08 | merlin262 | favorite fantasy charecter |
| 00:22:30 | KeyserSoze | oh. |
| 00:22:44 | KeyserSoze | there's a merlin big-block chevy engine. |
| 00:22:45 | carpman | is away: I'm busy |
| 00:22:47 | carpman | err |
| 00:22:49 | carpman | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 00:22:51 | KeyserSoze | i think it's an aftermarket company. |
| 00:22:52 | carpman | keep forgetting to set that |
| 00:23:15 | KeyserSoze | the last merlinXXX I knew, on a car board, was engine-related. |
| 00:23:16 | merlin262 | Welcome Back carpman |
| 00:23:21 | carpman | hey merlin262 |
| 00:23:24 | kergoth | re |
| 00:23:27 | merlin262 | lol |
| 00:23:39 | Xentac | is away: being beat up |
| 00:24:13 | gandalf123 | starts casting Magic Missile randomly |
| 00:24:21 | merlin262 | hehe |
| 00:24:48 | carpman | I seriously want a Galdalf hat. |
| 00:24:54 | merlin262 | w00t |
| 00:25:02 | carpman | That has to be the coolest hat I've seen. |
| 00:25:16 | merlin262 | can't wait to Dec. |
| 00:25:20 | carpman | indeed. |
| 00:25:33 | carpman | Aw, DAMN! |
| 00:25:46 | carpman | I forgot to buy pocky to eat at the next LOTR! |
| 00:26:07 | KeyserSoze | pocky? |
| 00:26:23 | carpman | KeyserSoze: cocolate covered biscut sticks. |
| 00:26:24 | merlin262 | Technical Communications is teh suck. |
| 00:26:34 | KeyserSoze | kit-kat-like? |
| 00:27:10 | KeyserSoze | biscuit like biscuit in america, or biscuit like cookie in other english speaking countries? |
| 00:27:11 | carpman | KeyserSoze: um.. less chocolate more biscut. About 4" long and 1/8 of an inch in diameter |
| 00:27:19 | scanline | slurps up some spicy ramen |
| 00:27:21 | carpman | biscut like cookie |
| 00:27:31 | carpman | scanline: misato ramen? :) |
| 00:27:35 | KeyserSoze | are you from the USA? |
| 00:27:42 | carpman | KeyserSoze: yes, Texas. |
| 00:27:50 | scanline | carpman: that works |
| 00:27:51 | KeyserSoze | oh, they talk funny in texas :) |
| 00:28:04 | carpman | fires a linear railgun at KeyserSoze |
| 00:28:15 | merlin262 | beats KeyserSoze with a really big hat. |
| 00:28:15 | KeyserSoze | dodges just in time. |
| 00:28:19 | scanline | carpman talks funny, but not in a Texas way :) |
| 00:28:26 | KeyserSoze | doh! two Texans? |
| 00:28:29 | scanline | KeyserSoze: go listen to some of carpman's radio shows.. at voidptr.org |
| 00:28:35 | merlin262 | we're taking over the board. :D |
| 00:28:38 | carpman | I do not wear cowboy boots. I do not have a six shooter. I have never ridden a horse. |
| 00:28:49 | merlin262 | has a six shooter. |
| 00:28:52 | carpman | I was born in Texas, I was raised on the internet. |
| 00:28:53 | merlin262 | shoots Ke |
| 00:28:57 | scanline | Don't let him in here... he'll see the big board! /me points to his dual athlon... |
| 00:29:07 | KeyserSoze | just never heard someone from Yankville use "biscuit" that way, is all. |
| 00:29:13 | merlin262 | has that movie on DVD. =D |
| 00:29:15 | carpman | I do, however, own a 2 handed broadsword. |
| 00:29:59 | carpman | So, how do I talk funny. |
| 00:30:07 | carpman | I've never really noticed a difference. |
| 00:30:12 | KeyserSoze | just using biscuit that way. |
| 00:30:12 | scanline | carpman: not really funny.. just unique |
| 00:30:46 | KeyserSoze | who wrote atomic-nav? |
| 00:30:54 | scanline | raises hand |
| 00:30:57 | carpman | points to scanline and hides. |
| 00:31:09 | KeyserSoze | scanline: are you gonna put tabs in for multiple windows? |
| 00:31:13 | KeyserSoze | like in galeon? |
| 00:31:29 | scanline | KeyserSoze: eventually... |
| 00:31:48 | KeyserSoze | would it be something hard or difficult, based on the structure of atomic-nav? |
| 00:32:03 | scanline | easy, atomic navigator is pretty modular |
| 00:32:06 | KeyserSoze | like for example, is it something someone really clueless could undertake? |
| 00:32:14 | scanline | just that we don't have a tab widget yet, nor a working HTML rendering widget |
| 00:32:25 | scanline | so you'd have to write a tab widget first... |
| 00:32:37 | KeyserSoze | can i view png's in atomic-nav, currently? |
| 00:32:38 | scanline | there is no HTML support at all in the CVS right now |
| 00:32:43 | scanline | no image support yet |
| 00:32:55 | scanline | it's still really early in development |
| 00:33:10 | KeyserSoze | hmm. maybe imgview needs tabbing... |
| 00:33:15 | KeyserSoze | who wrote imgview? |
| 00:33:21 | scanline | sighs |
| 00:33:23 | scanline | :) |
| 00:33:36 | carpman | scanline: do you think a tab could be a button widget? ;) |
| 00:33:46 | KeyserSoze | heck yeah it could!!!!! |
| 00:34:12 | scanline | yep |
| 00:34:14 | carpman | KeyserSoze: that goes back to a running gag about one day every PicoGUI widget being a button :) |
| 00:34:15 | KeyserSoze | have the active one change color, and you are all set. |
| 00:34:30 | scanline | carpman: you just wait for the textbox and button merge... |
| 00:34:38 | carpman | waits patiently |
| 00:34:59 | scanline | the tabs themselves can definitely be customized buttons. The pages would be like box widgets, but with logic to handle flipping |
| 00:35:11 | KeyserSoze | nods. |
| 00:35:43 | KeyserSoze | wants a tabbed image-viewer or web-browser. |
| 00:36:06 | KeyserSoze | i'm gonna make a little app that is a phone book for my company. |
| 00:36:19 | KeyserSoze | and when you click a person's name, it'll show where they are on a map. |
| 00:36:24 | scanline | you can look at the source to imgview.. it's really easy |
| 00:36:31 | carpman | once horizontial scrolling is set up, that could take care of situations where there are more tabs than screen space. |
| 00:36:32 | KeyserSoze | and i need to have different floots be switchable between. |
| 00:36:33 | scanline | it's all UI code, pgserver does the actual image viewing |
| 00:36:52 | scanline | carpman: yep. harpin sent me a patch so the scroll widget itself support horizontal scrolling |
| 00:36:53 | KeyserSoze | already blatantly copied imgview code, for his moving-map nav program. |
| 00:37:00 | carpman | sw33t |
| 00:37:16 | scanline | still needs support in the rendring engine and some themes |
| 00:37:28 | KeyserSoze | my app will be easy, because my companies intranet already has a similar thing. |
| 00:37:33 | scanline | horizontal scrollbars look really funny in the classique theme for example |
| 00:37:36 | kergoth | scanline: http://openzaurus.sf.net/testing/xconfig.jpg |
| 00:37:41 | KeyserSoze | so i just need them to dump all the data to an ascii file |
| 00:37:57 | KeyserSoze | (like with x,y coords for cubicle location on the map) |
| 00:38:30 | scanline | kergoth: my you've been busy |
| 00:38:34 | kergoth | scanline: nifty, no? |
| 00:38:37 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:38:51 | scanline | indeed. I assume there's menuconfig and config too? |
| 00:38:59 | kergoth | scanline: thats the new config system for the linux kernel by roman zippel |
| 00:39:02 | kergoth | scanline: yep |
| 00:39:09 | kergoth | and oldconfig and allyesconfig and allnoconfig .. |
| 00:39:10 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:39:12 | carpman | isint that based on QT... |
| 00:39:28 | kergoth | carpman: yeah, the xconfig is qt based in lkc |
| 00:39:49 | carpman | qt this close to the linux kernel, what has this world come to... |
| 00:39:49 | kergoth | hehe. make pgconfig :) |
| 00:39:52 | KeyserSoze | hmm. screenshot looks to big to fit on a zaurus... |
| 00:40:00 | KeyserSoze | s/to/too |
| 00:40:28 | KeyserSoze | can i have a x86 crosscompiler, that runs on ARM? |
| 00:41:28 | scanline | kergoth: spiffy |
| 00:41:35 | kergoth | scanline: converting pgui to use it (cml1->lkc) would be a breeze. it has conversion tools for the existing kernel tree. it has a lexical parser.. uses bison. creating new frontends would be easy |
| 00:41:57 | scanline | kergoth: we modified the cml1 stuff a little... |
| 00:42:02 | kergoth | scanline: I'm going to be linking the parser into a dependency generator for the oz buildroot to ensure depends are sane |
| 00:42:06 | kergoth | scanline: even so :) |
| 00:42:10 | scanline | :) |
| 00:42:12 | kergoth | brb, need caffeine |
| 00:42:17 | scanline | good kergoth :) |
| 00:46:53 | file | I've got 6 listeners on my streaming audio |
| 00:46:55 | file | er radio |
| 00:47:58 | file | and they like it lol |
| 00:53:59 | gonkulator | hi file |
| 00:54:29 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen carpman |
| 00:54:30 | PicoBot | carpman was last seen on #picogui 14 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: qt this close to the linux kernel, what has this world come to... [Wed Sep 18 19:46:08 2002] |
| 00:56:15 | gonkulator | file: URL |
| 00:56:29 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen file |
| 00:56:29 | PicoBot | file was last seen on #picogui 8 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: and they like it lol [Wed Sep 18 19:54:18 2002] |
| 00:56:33 | gonkulator | hmm... |
| 00:56:37 | gonkulator | just missed everyone |
| 00:56:38 | file | I'm busy... |
| 00:56:43 | carpman | hi gonkulator |
| 00:56:47 | file | is taking requests/dedications |
| 00:56:56 | KeyserSoze | hi, icky. |
| 00:56:58 | gonkulator | hey carpman |
| 00:57:01 | carpman | http://www.theregus.com/content/28/26350.html |
| 00:57:05 | gonkulator | hey KeyserSoze |
| 00:57:10 | KeyserSoze | requests "Smells like teen spirit" |
| 00:57:23 | file | lol |
| 00:57:43 | carpman | file: you do know what that is, right? |
| 00:57:47 | file | I've got a dedication and a request to do |
| 00:57:49 | file | then some Blink 182 |
| 00:57:53 | file | carpman: probably not |
| 00:57:57 | carpman | ARGH!!!! |
| 00:57:58 | gonkulator | file: URL? |
| 00:58:04 | carpman | file: LEARN YOUR GRUNGE ROCK!!! |
| 00:58:09 | carpman | file: Nirvana, you mortal! |
| 00:58:14 | file | lol |
| 00:58:37 | KeyserSoze | lol, it was before file's time. |
| 00:58:45 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: yep |
| 00:58:53 | KeyserSoze | kind of before my time, too. i think i was 12? |
| 00:59:01 | file | 3.51mb in 1 minute and 35 seconds |
| 00:59:03 | KeyserSoze | didn't listen to nirvana until i was ~16 |
| 00:59:05 | file | frowns |
| 01:01:39 | KeyserSoze | when did SLTS come out? |
| 01:01:41 | KeyserSoze | 92? |
| 01:01:46 | KeyserSoze | holy crap I am getting old! |
| 01:02:12 | gonkulator | asks file for the URL again |
| 01:02:31 | KeyserSoze | is everyone here younger than me? |
| 01:02:37 | carpman | is 21 |
| 01:02:41 | KeyserSoze | is 22 :( |
| 01:02:55 | KeyserSoze | 22 and 10/12, actually |
| 01:03:31 | KeyserSoze | file is what, 16? |
| 01:03:44 | KeyserSoze | icky is like 19, scanline 18? |
| 01:03:45 | file | 15 |
| 01:03:52 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: my girlfriend is 22... Does that count? |
| 01:03:53 | file | 16 on October 6th |
| 01:03:57 | KeyserSoze | xentac'age =? |
| 01:04:05 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: 21 |
| 01:04:10 | KeyserSoze | cool, she can buy you beer and porn! |
| 01:04:21 | gonkulator | uh... I could buy my own porn if I wanted it |
| 01:04:35 | KeyserSoze | yes, but why buy your own porn if you've got a girlfriend? |
| 01:04:47 | KeyserSoze | that's what their for; ask Sophie. |
| 01:04:57 | KeyserSoze | s/their/they're |
| 01:05:13 | KeyserSoze | how old is Kergoth? older than me? |
| 01:05:30 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: kiatoa is 36 |
| 01:05:51 | KeyserSoze | kiatoa should hang out here more often, then. |
| 01:06:01 | KeyserSoze | not even in the channel right now. |
| 01:07:34 | gonkulator | send him an email |
| 01:07:38 | gonkulator | matt@essentialgoods.com |
| 01:07:57 | KeyserSoze | do i know kiatoa? |
| 01:08:09 | KeyserSoze | was he here ~6 months ago, when I hung out here? |
| 01:09:41 | gonkulator | yeah |
| 01:09:49 | gonkulator | he was the one who got good deals on Helios |
| 01:12:44 | KeyserSoze | should have gotten a helio |
| 01:12:51 | KeyserSoze | instead of wasting money on a Zaurus. |
| 01:13:13 | KeyserSoze | hopefully the color display, faster proc, more memory, etc will be worth it. |
| 01:14:06 | carpman | KeyserSoze: oh, it will >:) |
| 01:14:31 | merlin262 | needs to get a PDA |
| 01:14:38 | merlin262 | hrm. |
| 01:14:50 | KeyserSoze | get a zaurus, then. everyone else is doing it. |
| 01:14:57 | scanline | remember the VR3.... |
| 01:14:59 | scanline | they're a lot cheaper |
| 01:15:27 | KeyserSoze | cheaper than a zaurus, or cheaper than they used to be? |
| 01:16:17 | scanline | both |
| 01:16:22 | scanline | $120 |
| 01:16:42 | merlin262 | $120 for a PDA? |
| 01:16:45 | merlin262 | hmm..... |
| 01:16:53 | file | hit my power cord lol |
| 01:17:02 | merlin262 | cuts file's power cord. |
| 01:17:40 | KeyserSoze | hits file's power cord, as requested. |
| 01:17:45 | file | :p |
| 01:18:37 | gonkulator | file: what song is this? |
| 01:18:48 | gonkulator | oh, silly question |
| 01:18:55 | KeyserSoze | smells like teen spirit? |
| 01:20:31 | gonkulator | thanks file |
| 01:20:32 | gonkulator | HI |
| 01:20:37 | file | sighs |
| 01:20:44 | file | enjoying the music? |
| 01:20:48 | gonkulator | file: yep |
| 01:20:53 | gonkulator | YES |
| 01:20:56 | file | lol |
| 01:20:57 | gonkulator | loves this song |
| 01:21:03 | merlin262 | i need to get some mo mp3's |
| 01:21:06 | gonkulator | sings along |
| 01:21:22 | gonkulator | wait... this is the REAL song... |
| 01:21:27 | file | yup lol |
| 01:21:30 | scanline | listens to some 303 infinity |
| 01:21:44 | merlin262 | listens to some 303 infinity too |
| 01:21:48 | carpman | merlin262: I've got ~8gig of mostly techno. |
| 01:21:55 | gonkulator | sings the good lyrics |
| 01:22:01 | carpman | merlin262: OO! You like 303 infinity? |
| 01:22:29 | file | gonkulator: I've got a request next... |
| 01:22:31 | merlin262 | I've only got 2.3G of Techno. :( |
| 01:22:42 | merlin262 | yea, 303 Infinity |
| 01:22:44 | gonkulator | file: where are you getting these requests? |
| 01:22:50 | file | my listeners |
| 01:22:50 | gonkulator | bug to discover |
| 01:22:56 | file | on an alternate irc network |
| 01:22:58 | carpman | merlin262: come to the next Void * lan party at the end of November, we'll hook you up >:) |
| 01:23:13 | scanline | hmm.. november... where is it? |
| 01:23:19 | merlin262 | <bad texan>But I like dah country better, yuck, yuck.</bad texan> |
| 01:23:36 | carpman | Hyatt DFW. Same as A-kon. But much smaller. |
| 01:23:42 | carpman | MUCH smaller. |
| 01:23:52 | scanline | ah |
| 01:23:58 | scanline | a-kon was pretty small :) |
| 01:24:00 | merlin262 | how much smaller? |
| 01:24:01 | carpman | I'd probably get to show you arround town if you came this time :) |
| 01:24:04 | KeyserSoze | 303 infinity, is that like undefined 404? |
| 01:24:14 | scanline | KeyserSoze: a little, but with better bass |
| 01:24:20 | carpman | Um. This one runs under 700 people for both days. |
| 01:24:34 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: BOSE RS303 |
| 01:24:41 | scanline | what? |
| 01:24:44 | scanline | BOSE??? |
| 01:24:48 | scanline | what are you smoking? |
| 01:24:56 | gonkulator | thats the kind that Kathy's sister's boyfriend has |
| 01:25:06 | gonkulator | and he has two tables |
| 01:25:14 | gonkulator | and all the stuff necessary for making techno music |
| 01:25:20 | carpman | "We play both kinds of music here, country and western" - Blues Brothers. |
| 01:25:26 | scanline | I didn't know bose made synthesizers... |
| 01:25:30 | carpman | RS303!!!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?! |
| 01:25:35 | carpman | LET ME PLAY WITH IT!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:25:44 | scanline | Roland MC303 is where it's at :) |
| 01:26:02 | gonkulator | carpman: that is where I am going this weekend |
| 01:26:12 | carpman | hands gonkulator a matter replicator |
| 01:26:18 | file | lol |
| 01:26:19 | gonkulator | replicates file |
| 01:26:20 | scanline | thinks gonkulator won't be visiting him until winter break |
| 01:26:31 | carpman | gonkulator: NO! Not that, the sampler! |
| 01:26:35 | gonkulator | apologizes to scanline and promises to come up soon |
| 01:26:44 | gonkulator | carpman: I need more raw matter |
| 01:27:10 | carpman | points to a crate full of physics defying genre-o-matter |
| 01:27:18 | gonkulator | replicates file's replica |
| 01:27:40 | gonkulator | apologizes and replicates the RS303 |
| 01:28:11 | gonkulator | now asks what he can do with the two extra files |
| 01:28:14 | file | sorry - I was doing talking on stream... |
| 01:28:36 | gonkulator | file: this whole stream thing is pretty cool |
| 01:28:42 | gonkulator | might try to get a stream up |
| 01:28:49 | gonkulator | file: CODING TO MUSIC |
| 01:28:50 | file | I need better software |
| 01:28:52 | file | which I'll get tomorrow |
| 01:28:57 | file | gonkulator: I already streamed that |
| 01:29:02 | gonkulator | oh |
| 01:29:02 | file | gonkulator: gave copies to a few people lol |
| 01:29:04 | gonkulator | missed it |
| 01:29:07 | gonkulator | is sad |
| 01:29:12 | file | they really enjoyed it |
| 01:29:13 | gonkulator | knows what to do with the file replicas |
| 01:29:26 | file | requested the barbie song two times LOL |
| 01:29:40 | gonkulator | they know that all the voices are the same person right? |
| 01:29:43 | carpman | well, I'm going to sleep. |
| 01:29:46 | carpman | night all. |
| 01:29:47 | file | no 8 |
| 01:29:50 | file | *G* |
| 01:29:51 | gonkulator | night carpman |
| 01:30:11 | gonkulator | file: I am confused... |
| 01:30:19 | file | why? |
| 01:30:29 | gonkulator | you told them it was all me right? |
| 01:30:34 | file | yes |
| 01:30:39 | gonkulator | oh, ok |
| 01:30:55 | gonkulator | remembers when file got coding to music stuck in his head and sang it all through Gym class |
| 01:31:14 | gonkulator | file: give a shout out to each of your listeners when this song is over |
| 01:31:16 | scanline | tries to connect to the schools farquing rdesktop server to do his win32 homework |
| 01:31:29 | gonkulator | farquing? |
| 01:31:34 | | I think you meant fuck. dont beat around the bush, man. |
| 01:31:34 | scanline | ibot: farq? |
| 01:31:45 | gonkulator | hehehehe |
| 01:31:48 | file | k |
| 01:31:48 | file | done |
| 01:31:55 | file | you'll get the end of the stream soon |
| 01:32:04 | gonkulator | file: ok, cool |
| 01:32:09 | gonkulator | is listening to the rest of it |
| 01:32:13 | gonkulator | ADS SUCK |
| 01:32:21 | file | I meant buffers :p |
| 01:32:26 | file | er bumpers |
| 01:32:28 | file | er whatevers! |
| 01:32:31 | gonkulator | oh, ok |
| 01:32:47 | file | record one if you like |
| 01:32:51 | gonkulator | might |
| 01:33:14 | gonkulator | if I do, I'll email you with a URL |
| 01:33:18 | file | k |
| 01:33:22 | file | oggs are fine |
| 01:33:43 | gonkulator | doesn't know what format he will use yet |
| 01:33:58 | scanline | gonkulator: get audacity |
| 01:34:13 | gonkulator | scanline: whats that? |
| 01:34:23 | file | sleepy time |
| 01:34:30 | scanline | it's an open source, cross platform, audio recorder/editor that has built in ogg exporting |
| 01:34:42 | file[bed] | believes he is getting sick |
| 01:35:02 | gonkulator | scanline: nifty... is there a Gentoo package? |
| 01:35:09 | scanline | dunno... |
| 01:35:58 | merlin262 | I used to like debian, but lately.... Grrrrrr. |
| 01:36:20 | gonkulator | merlin262: what is debian doing wrong? |
| 01:36:28 | gonkulator | likes debian, but prefers Gentoo |
| 01:36:36 | merlin262 | standard debian complaint: no updated packages |
| 01:36:43 | gonkulator | oh, ok |
| 01:36:50 | gonkulator | thats what sid is for :p |
| 01:37:05 | merlin262 | might as well be running my own stuff on this computer for the amount of handtweaking i do.... |
| 01:37:09 | | i guess gentoo is already on CoolMoDee's desktop, its just one of those things that makes one happy or a funky linux distro at http://www.gentoo.org/ |
| 01:37:09 | KeyserSoze | ibot: gentoo? |
| 01:37:29 | | okay, gonkulator. |
| 01:37:29 | gonkulator | ibot: gentoo is also gonkulator's distro of choice |
| 01:37:39 | | keysersoze: bugger all, i dunno |
| 01:37:39 | KeyserSoze | ibot: sid? |
| 01:37:47 | gonkulator | oh my :) |
| 01:37:53 | KeyserSoze | icky: sid? |
| 01:38:13 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: sid is probably the thing that happens when stable code isn't updated enough and comes out dirty |
| 01:38:39 | gonkulator | and *shht* my name is gonkulator now :p |
| 01:39:05 | fragglet | ickysneeze! |
| 01:39:20 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen ickysneeze |
| 01:39:20 | PicoBot | ickysneeze was last seen on #picogui 20 days, 5 hours, 51 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: I am now known as gonkulator [Thu Aug 29 14:53:44 2002] |
| 01:39:26 | gonkulator | there... SEE |
| 01:40:16 | KeyserSoze | so you ARE ickysneeze! |
| 01:40:24 | KeyserSoze | icky's dying words confirmed it! |
| 01:40:31 | KeyserSoze | (you ought to stage a cover up) |
| 01:40:33 | gonkulator | I am the geek formerly known as ickysneeze, yes |
| 01:40:48 | ickysneeze | I have nothing to do with this gonkulator character. |
| 01:40:59 | | ickysneeze was last seen on #picogui 11 seconds ago, saying: I have nothing to do with this gonkulator character. [Thu Sep 19 02:40:48 2002] |
| 01:40:59 | KeyserSoze | ibot: seen ickysneeze? |
| 01:41:09 | KeyserSoze | you're welcome :) |
| 01:41:32 | ickysneeze | I am now known as gonkulator |
| 01:42:00 | scanline | PicoBot: ickysneeze? |
| 01:42:00 | PicoBot | i think ickysneeze is Spacelord Ickysneeze of the Guild of the Void Pointer he is also Brandon Smith, the author of Battleship or a dingo or in need of a shave or going to see Mrs. K or in need of a good debian brainwashing or a hosehead. or doing ickysneeze's thing again or a hosehead again. |
| 01:42:36 | KeyserSoze | Mrs. K? |
| 01:42:45 | gonkulator | math teacher from high schoo, |
| 01:42:47 | gonkulator | school |
| 01:42:51 | gonkulator | best teacher ever |
| 01:43:14 | scanline | gonkulator: do you have a copy of Visual C++? |
| 01:43:23 | gonkulator | scanline: yeah... somewhere... |
| 01:43:26 | gonkulator | do you need it? |
| 01:43:29 | scanline | dunno yet |
| 01:43:45 | merlin262 | what'st his I here? a mention of a dreaded Microsfot product? |
| 01:43:57 | scanline | merlin262: stupid homework assignment... |
| 01:44:12 | merlin262 | this is why we have mingw32 for Linux. :D |
| 01:44:30 | scanline | I'll probably use that, but the graders want a Visual C++ project file :( |
| 01:44:37 | KeyserSoze | LOL. do you have a winMachine, scanline? |
| 01:44:43 | scanline | KeyserSoze: no, but I have VMware |
| 01:44:48 | merlin262 | grrrrrrrrrr |
| 01:44:54 | merlin262 | goes postal on moronic schools |
| 01:45:11 | scanline | I'll read again.. maybe they don't specifically tell us... |
| 01:45:19 | KeyserSoze | don't corrupt your own stuff with VC++, do it in a lab. |
| 01:45:33 | merlin262 | did carpman leave? |
| 01:45:38 | gonkulator | VB + VC = VD |
| 01:45:43 | gonkulator | merlin262: yeah, he went to bed |
| 01:45:56 | merlin262 | i should follow his example |
| 01:46:23 | gonkulator | night merlin262 |
| 01:46:29 | gonkulator | will be off to bed in just a few minutes |
| 01:46:31 | merlin262 | said should not AM |
| 01:46:50 | gonkulator | scanline: I'll come up and see you soon |
| 01:46:56 | gonkulator | I am out of town the next two weekends |
| 01:47:05 | gonkulator | hey probe |
| 01:47:06 | merlin262 | homework is teh suck |
| 01:47:08 | probe | still gotta finish an essay |
| 01:47:15 | probe | = ] |
| 01:47:18 | gonkulator | eh, no need to finissh the homework |
| 01:47:23 | probe | um... |
| 01:47:27 | gonkulator | finishing is important though... |
| 01:47:34 | probe | I have an english teacher form hell |
| 01:47:39 | probe | from * |
| 01:47:40 | KeyserSoze | never has to do homework again! |
| 01:47:41 | gonkulator | Mrs. Fleet? |
| 01:47:51 | probe | nah... Mrs. Chumley |
| 01:48:03 | probe | she's the head of the english department |
| 01:48:07 | gonkulator | notes that KeyserSoze never gets to flirth with college girls again either |
| 01:48:17 | probe | i'll be back in half an hour, okay? |
| 01:48:20 | gonkulator | ok |
| 01:48:25 | gonkulator | might go to bed before that |
| 01:48:25 | KeyserSoze | only because I am getting married, not because I am not in college. |
| 01:48:34 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: details |
| 01:48:40 | gonkulator | and congradulations |
| 01:48:51 | KeyserSoze | well, when you get married, the wife will frown on flirting. |
| 01:48:58 | KeyserSoze | with anyone, not just college girls. |
| 01:50:03 | KeyserSoze | oh, i guess you meant details on getting married, not on flirting protocal for the married. |
| 01:50:10 | KeyserSoze | Sophie and I are engaged. |
| 01:50:23 | merlin262 | wha? a linux geek? |
| 01:50:31 | KeyserSoze | who, Sophie? |
| 01:50:37 | KeyserSoze | yes, I guess she is. a bit. |
| 01:50:38 | merlin262 | with a fiancee? |
| 01:50:50 | merlin262 | reminds me of the "linux developer got laid" story |
| 01:50:57 | KeyserSoze | she's hot too though, I'm not marrying her just because she's a geek :) |
| 01:51:26 | merlin262 | hehe |
| 01:51:49 | KeyserSoze | merlin262: Sophie hung out in #picogui a few months back when I used to, so gonk knows her. |
| 01:52:05 | merlin262 | lol |
| 01:52:07 | merlin262 | kewl. |
| 01:52:23 | KeyserSoze | we were already living together for a year by that point. |
| 01:52:35 | KeyserSoze | but it would sound better if we met in #picogui, and a romance bloomed. |
| 01:52:46 | KeyserSoze | give hope to the geeks on IRC, and all. :) |
| 01:52:47 | merlin262 | haha |
| 01:53:19 | KeyserSoze | gonkulator: is gentoo the best linux distro ever? |
| 01:53:25 | merlin262 | No. |
| 01:53:47 | KeyserSoze | well, i want to see if it's users think so. |
| 01:54:16 | merlin262 | all linux distros suck, just as all os's suck, but a few suck less. |
| 01:54:35 | fragglet | eeeeeevery linux distro sucks because eeeevery os sucks |
| 01:54:40 | KeyserSoze | debian users don't say that, though. |
| 01:54:49 | merlin262 | debian sucks |
| 01:54:52 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: gentoo is good, I don't know beyond that |
| 01:55:02 | KeyserSoze | i'm pretty sure that debian is the best distro of the best OS ever, and it's users are better than anyone else, too. |
| 01:55:03 | merlin262 | (Granny Mode) I've used debian for 3 years now, it sucks. |
| 01:55:16 | KeyserSoze | yay, disgruntled debian user! |
| 01:55:20 | merlin262 | hehe |
| 01:55:28 | merlin262 | I used RedHat for 2 years before that |
| 01:55:40 | merlin262 | and slackware for 3-4 before that |
| 01:56:09 | KeyserSoze | gonkulator: does gentoo use rpms? |
| 01:56:28 | merlin262 | i know that one. :P |
| 01:57:05 | KeyserSoze | now, gentoo can't be nearly as good as debian. |
| 01:57:18 | KeyserSoze | i just read the install procedure for gentoo. |
| 01:57:22 | merlin262 | linux is linux |
| 01:57:39 | KeyserSoze | i still have a bound copy of the debian install sitting on the nightstand |
| 01:58:02 | merlin262 | lol |
| 01:58:13 | merlin262 | gentoo has some definate benefits |
| 01:58:50 | merlin262 | I run debian, redhat, and my own. :) |
| 01:59:12 | KeyserSoze | your own? |
| 01:59:15 | merlin262 | hehe |
| 01:59:25 | KeyserSoze | bows before merlin262 |
| 01:59:28 | merlin262 | lol |
| 01:59:43 | merlin262 | i've been working on it w/ a few friends for the last year or so |
| 02:00:28 | merlin262 | it's not as bad as you think KeyserSoze |
| 02:00:35 | merlin262 | just a lot of ./configure; make; make install |
| 02:00:41 | merlin262 | and script writing |
| 02:00:50 | KeyserSoze | what about all the freaking scripts? |
| 02:00:56 | KeyserSoze | there a bazillion of them. |
| 02:00:59 | merlin262 | init scripts? |
| 02:01:03 | KeyserSoze | s/a/are a |
| 02:01:03 | merlin262 | not as many as you might think |
| 02:01:13 | merlin262 | that actually need written |
| 02:01:22 | merlin262 | a lot come with various packages |
| 02:01:28 | merlin262 | but, they all need editing |
| 02:01:29 | scanline | bbl, going to see if I can access these servers from the lab |
| 02:01:54 | KeyserSoze | i have mandrake. i wanted to install pwm. there is no pwm mandrake install procedure. i started to look at the scripts for X. |
| 02:02:09 | KeyserSoze | i read for like 3 hours, and made no progress whatsoever. |
| 02:02:20 | KeyserSoze | i have no idea how the hell X starts. it's insane. |
| 02:02:43 | merlin262 | X, depends on the distro |
| 02:02:44 | merlin262 | lol |
| 02:03:03 | KeyserSoze | yeah, so with your own distro, you have to come up with all that crap from scratch? |
| 02:03:09 | KeyserSoze | hence the bowing. |
| 02:03:13 | merlin262 | not all |
| 02:03:19 | merlin262 | a lot of stuff is very standard |
| 02:03:30 | merlin262 | we're scrapping and starting over again though |
| 02:03:33 | merlin262 | for the 3rd time now |
| 02:03:42 | KeyserSoze | oh yeah? |
| 02:03:44 | KeyserSoze | why? |
| 02:04:01 | merlin262 | well, we know more now than when we started |
| 02:04:01 | merlin262 | lol |
| 02:04:18 | KeyserSoze | why do you have to start over? |
| 02:04:26 | merlin262 | start over is a bit harsh |
| 02:04:27 | KeyserSoze | is there some sort of architecture to a distro? |
| 02:04:32 | merlin262 | A LOT |
| 02:04:38 | KeyserSoze | or is it all just independent piece-meal? |
| 02:04:45 | merlin262 | well... |
| 02:04:49 | merlin262 | that's a point of some debate |
| 02:04:55 | merlin262 | you see, almost all distros are piece-meal |
| 02:05:04 | KeyserSoze | nods |
| 02:05:11 | merlin262 | that's probably the largest problem w/ linux right now |
| 02:05:18 | merlin262 | dependency hell |
| 02:05:44 | merlin262 | you have sources from 8,000,000,000 different places |
| 02:05:59 | KeyserSoze | do you have GUI config tools in your distro? |
| 02:06:03 | merlin262 | some of the key portions hosted on foreign servers run by a guy doing stuff as a hobby |
| 02:06:12 | merlin262 | want GUI config tools |
| 02:06:14 | fraggle_ | the worst problem with linux is the reliability of floppy disks |
| 02:06:18 | KeyserSoze | ? |
| 02:06:24 | merlin262 | we want them |
| 02:06:25 | KeyserSoze | never uses floppy disks |
| 02:06:25 | fraggle_ | damn things always get corrupted when you're trying to install a distro |
| 02:06:35 | merlin262 | that's why we have bootable CD's |
| 02:06:36 | merlin262 | =D |
| 02:06:42 | fraggle_ | yay |
| 02:07:08 | merlin262 | some source code for linux actually isn't on any server, |
| 02:07:24 | merlin262 | so, all the distributions package their own version... |
| 02:08:03 | KeyserSoze | when you say linux, you don't mean the kernel. |
| 02:08:11 | merlin262 | gnu/linux |
| 02:08:13 | merlin262 | linux |
| 02:08:17 | KeyserSoze | gotcha. |
| 02:08:21 | merlin262 | the gnu is silent |
| 02:08:22 | merlin262 | =D |
| 02:08:27 | KeyserSoze | gotcha as in, i know what you mean. |
| 02:08:49 | KeyserSoze | not gotcha as in, i caught you calling gnu/linux "linux", you bastard. |
| 02:08:51 | KeyserSoze | :) |
| 02:08:53 | merlin262 | you can check out linuxfromscratch.org and get an idea of what's involved |
| 02:09:12 | merlin262 | it wasn't as far along when I started though... |
| 02:10:34 | merlin262 | so, KeyserSoze what distro do you run? |
| 02:11:03 | KeyserSoze | mandrake |
| 02:11:21 | merlin262 | I like Mandrake |
| 02:11:22 | KeyserSoze | it's okay. |
| 02:11:29 | merlin262 | my mom runs Mandrake |
| 02:11:30 | merlin262 | lol |
| 02:11:31 | KeyserSoze | i dislike SuSE |
| 02:11:37 | KeyserSoze | lol! |
| 02:11:43 | KeyserSoze | has to stop using mandrake now. |
| 02:12:00 | merlin262 | would it help if I said she doesn't know she's running mandrake? |
| 02:12:00 | KeyserSoze | ever use SuSE? |
| 02:12:06 | KeyserSoze | a little. |
| 02:12:12 | merlin262 | in 97, i think.... maybe.... |
| 02:12:15 | merlin262 | a while back |
| 02:12:20 | merlin262 | I couldn't get it to work at the time |
| 02:12:25 | KeyserSoze | never got Yast to work. and it was a rather integral part. |
| 02:12:27 | merlin262 | YaST kept messign stuff up |
| 02:12:30 | KeyserSoze | lol. |
| 02:13:00 | merlin262 | i hear its a lot better |
| 02:13:23 | merlin262 | I'd like a distro as up to date as Mandrake, with the upgrade ease of Debian |
| 02:13:29 | KeyserSoze | i used it in '00, i think |
| 02:13:40 | merlin262 | and the slimness of Slackware |
| 02:13:40 | KeyserSoze | never installed debian. |
| 02:14:01 | KeyserSoze | i wanted to install debian, but my mandrake system was working okay at the time. |
| 02:14:06 | KeyserSoze | so i didn't want to touch it. |
| 02:14:17 | KeyserSoze | or look at it sideways. or sneeze. |
| 02:15:11 | KeyserSoze | i want to try pwm, though, and can't make it work under mandrake 8.1 |
| 02:15:20 | KeyserSoze | so i am going to try another distro soon. |
| 02:15:23 | merlin262 | pwm? |
| 02:15:32 | KeyserSoze | a window manager. |
| 02:15:37 | KeyserSoze | scanline uses it. |
| 02:15:53 | KeyserSoze | http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/pwm/ |
| 02:15:59 | merlin262 | no eye candy |
| 02:16:10 | merlin262 | I MUST HAVE EYE CANDY. |
| 02:16:14 | KeyserSoze | that tabbing shit is badass, though. |
| 02:16:24 | KeyserSoze | well, you can still use any background you want. |
| 02:16:25 | merlin262 | hmmm.... |
| 02:16:31 | KeyserSoze | and e-term in good for cany. |
| 02:16:32 | merlin262 | you know, I've just had an interesting idea |
| 02:16:37 | KeyserSoze | and transparency in x-chat. |
| 02:16:48 | merlin262 | what if you had mozilla like tabs, and could drag a window into another... |
| 02:16:59 | KeyserSoze | that might be what pwm has. |
| 02:17:07 | merlin262 | not quiet tho. |
| 02:17:08 | KeyserSoze | i don't know what mozilla tabs are. |
| 02:17:12 | merlin262 | hmmm.... |
| 02:17:27 | KeyserSoze | i DO know that mozilla isn't related to godzilla, though. |
| 02:17:41 | KeyserSoze | http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/pwm/screenshots/pwm-1.jpg |
| 02:17:42 | merlin262 | are any of the picogui dev's here? |
| 02:17:56 | KeyserSoze | do you know what the little toolbar in the lower left of that screenshot is? |
| 02:18:17 | merlin262 | not sure |
| 02:18:17 | KeyserSoze | i guess i am a picogui developer, but not much of one :( |
| 02:18:35 | merlin262 | looks at his picogui committs |
| 02:18:41 | merlin262 | 0 whole lines! |
| 02:18:41 | KeyserSoze | i don't know where i saw it before. enlightenment or gnome. |
| 02:18:57 | KeyserSoze | well, i never did anything but work on my own picogui app. |
| 02:19:04 | KeyserSoze | and i didn't give it to anyone yet, either. |
| 02:19:20 | KeyserSoze | i got my MS like 6 months ago, and haven't touched picogui since. |
| 02:19:36 | merlin262 | Masters? |
| 02:19:41 | KeyserSoze | yup. |
| 02:19:45 | merlin262 | what in? |
| 02:19:49 | KeyserSoze | in Computer Information Systems |
| 02:19:57 | KeyserSoze | (just like Comp. Sci., actually) |
| 02:19:58 | merlin262 | lol, more edumacated than me |
| 02:20:34 | merlin262 | is working on his Bachelor's degree... |
| 02:20:39 | KeyserSoze | lol. makes up for being old :) |
| 02:20:47 | KeyserSoze | BS in what? |
| 02:20:55 | merlin262 | so, in 5-6 years, I *might* get a gal. |
| 02:20:59 | merlin262 | Comp. Sci |
| 02:21:18 | KeyserSoze | are you like 17? |
| 02:21:19 | merlin262 | after working for 2 years as a programmer tho, i question the degree choice |
| 02:21:40 | merlin262 | 19 |
| 02:21:55 | KeyserSoze | was 19 when he met his bride-to-be |
| 02:22:01 | merlin262 | be 20 in 2 weeks tho |
| 02:22:01 | probe | is only 14 years old... |
| 02:22:16 | KeyserSoze | what? |
| 02:22:24 | merlin262 | whoa |
| 02:22:25 | probe | and would also like to note that high-school really sucks |
| 02:22:26 | merlin262 | a youngon |
| 02:22:33 | KeyserSoze | is 22. |
| 02:22:36 | DevGirl | is 20, married and pregnant ^^ |
| 02:22:40 | KeyserSoze | 23 in 2 months. |
| 02:22:49 | probe | hola, DebGirl |
| 02:22:55 | DevGirl | hi, probe |
| 02:22:56 | probe | DevGirl... sorry |
| 02:22:57 | merlin262 | my current .plan is to finish my BS, and then go for a phD |
| 02:23:20 | merlin262 | what area you live in probe? |
| 02:23:22 | DevGirl | bah! that's just a paper :P |
| 02:23:32 | KeyserSoze | PhD's are lame. |
| 02:23:34 | probe | Highlands Ranch, Colorado |
| 02:23:35 | DevGirl | left university |
| 02:23:37 | KeyserSoze | MS's are where it's at. |
| 02:23:38 | merlin262 | yeah, but it will let me beat young minds into submission. |
| 02:23:46 | DevGirl | hehehehehehe |
| 02:23:54 | scanline | hmm.. still can't get into the lab |
| 02:24:03 | merlin262 | I'm pondering going into education |
| 02:24:04 | probe | scanline: hey |
| 02:24:04 | merlin262 | and R&D |
| 02:24:05 | DevGirl | hi, scan :D |
| 02:24:09 | scanline | hi DevGirl and probe |
| 02:24:12 | merlin262 | all the cool stuff comes from colleges. :D |
| 02:24:18 | probe | waves |
| 02:24:26 | KeyserSoze | or secret government laborotories |
| 02:24:32 | DevGirl | YEAH!!! |
| 02:24:34 | merlin262 | all of which require phD |
| 02:24:36 | probe | scanline: what would you say was your best resource for learning C? |
| 02:24:43 | scanline | probe: manpages! |
| 02:24:43 | KeyserSoze | wanted to work on kick-ass shit, so he went to work at an aerospace company. |
| 02:24:43 | DevGirl | conspiration theory!!! |
| 02:25:04 | KeyserSoze | but I only work on lame stuff for commercial aircraft. |
| 02:25:11 | merlin262 | probe: Algorithms in C, both books |
| 02:25:15 | DevGirl | ehehehehehe |
| 02:25:21 | DevGirl | shattered dreams :D |
| 02:25:33 | KeyserSoze | yeah. |
| 02:25:33 | merlin262 | go over to #c |
| 02:25:57 | DevGirl | is currently being paid to learn and develop |
| 02:25:59 | merlin262 | if anyone is awake you'll get an earfull w/ that question |
| 02:26:17 | KeyserSoze | learn and develop? |
| 02:26:36 | merlin262 | the best way to learn C, is to figure out a small project |
| 02:26:36 | DevGirl | yeah |
| 02:26:37 | merlin262 | and do it |
| 02:26:49 | KeyserSoze | agrees with merlin. |
| 02:26:53 | KeyserSoze | learn by doing. |
| 02:26:56 | DevGirl | is a programmer wanna be ^^ |
| 02:27:00 | merlin262 | keyword tho: SMALL |
| 02:27:06 | merlin262 | don't try to rewrite the linux kernel |
| 02:27:07 | KeyserSoze | DevGirl: learn what, and develop what? |
| 02:27:11 | DevGirl | PYTHON RULEZ!!!! |
| 02:27:18 | fraggle_ | heh pfft |
| 02:27:23 | merlin262 | strangles DevGirl for such blasphemy |
| 02:27:26 | KeyserSoze | rules=noun, or rules=verb? |
| 02:27:28 | probe | scanline: manpages intimidate me |
| 02:27:39 | DevGirl | kicks merlin262 |
| 02:27:40 | probe | scanline: plus, they aren't user-friendly |
| 02:27:40 | merlin262 | type 'man printf' |
| 02:27:45 | merlin262 | bahhhhhh |
| 02:27:45 | KeyserSoze | man printf |
| 02:28:02 | merlin262 | man 3 printf |
| 02:28:08 | merlin262 | 3 is the section # |
| 02:28:09 | KeyserSoze | doesn't ask questions, he just follows orders |
| 02:28:21 | DevGirl | runs arround the channel screaming python! python!!!! |
| 02:28:25 | probe | I heard of a book published by K&R that was supposed to be pretty good. . . |
| 02:28:34 | merlin262 | gets Texan mandated 6 shooter |
| 02:28:36 | merlin262 | shoots DevGirl |
| 02:28:38 | KeyserSoze | K&R? no, they don't know anything :) |
| 02:28:40 | DevGirl | dies |
| 02:28:44 | merlin262 | =) |
| 02:28:48 | probe | is afraid of snakes... "Where is it? Where is that Python?" |
| 02:29:04 | probe | runs away, screaming in terror the whole time |
| 02:29:04 | merlin262 | oh no |
| 02:29:09 | DevGirlsSpirit | runs arround the channel screaming python! python!!!! |
| 02:29:16 | DevGirlsSpirit | hehehheheheheh |
| 02:29:18 | KeyserSoze | hides in the corner |
| 02:29:20 | merlin262 | what have I created? |
| 02:29:25 | DevGirlsSpirit | mhuahuwahwauawhauwhawuawh |
| 02:29:31 | probe | merlin262: your fault, buddy = ] |
| 02:29:52 | merlin262 | i know |
| 02:29:54 | merlin262 | i know |
| 02:29:58 | DevGirlsSpirit | A spirit that only programs in python ^^ |
| 02:29:58 | KeyserSoze | would get his female to defend him, but she is doing Calc2 homework. |
| 02:30:06 | probe | ah |
| 02:30:11 | probe | I'm in precalc.... |
| 02:30:20 | KeyserSoze | well, you're how old? |
| 02:30:23 | probe | 14 |
| 02:30:33 | probe | I like math |
| 02:30:34 | KeyserSoze | me didn't talk calc until he was 14, either. |
| 02:30:43 | merlin262 | who, precal @ 14? |
| 02:30:45 | KeyserSoze | didn't have calc 2 until 15. |
| 02:30:48 | merlin262 | you take cal next year? |
| 02:31:02 | probe | yup.... calc BC, I think |
| 02:31:03 | KeyserSoze | oops. s/me//me |
| 02:31:08 | DevGirl | hehheheh wrote a ressurrection script. IN PYTHON ;) |
| 02:31:08 | merlin262 | Kewl. |
| 02:31:28 | probe | DevGirl: what's so great about Python? |
| 02:31:36 | probe | uh-oh.... |
| 02:31:40 | merlin262 | I'm only a couple classes away from a Math minor right now |
| 02:31:41 | merlin262 | lol |
| 02:31:42 | DevGirl | probe: I understand it!!!! |
| 02:32:12 | KeyserSoze | scanline: is this pwm? http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/images/shots/desktop-drobbins.html |
| 02:32:23 | merlin262 | KeyserSoze: did you go through graduate school as a TA? |
| 02:32:27 | KeyserSoze | nope. |
| 02:32:28 | probe | KeyserSoze: pwm is the best window-manager ever |
| 02:32:31 | scanline | KeyserSoze: yes |
| 02:32:42 | KeyserSoze | cool. it is compatible with Gentoo, then. |
| 02:32:46 | DevGirl | started programming in python in the same day she started reading |
| 02:32:46 | merlin262 | kwm!!!!! w00t! w00t!~ |
| 02:32:49 | KeyserSoze | perhaps i'll switch to gentoo. |
| 02:32:57 | scanline | KeyserSoze: of course.. my laptop is gentoo, I use pwm on it |
| 02:33:01 | probe | likes Debian just fine |
| 02:33:08 | merlin262 | kills Debian |
| 02:33:08 | DevGirl | and I never coded before it |
| 02:33:12 | probe | I'm on my tainted box right now though |
| 02:33:26 | KeyserSoze | merlin262: I got my BS, and then moved several states away from my parents. then went part time to grad school, for 4 years, with tuition reimbursement from my company. |
| 02:33:27 | DevGirl | DEBIAN! cool! |
| 02:33:36 | DevGirl | is a debian user also ^^ |
| 02:33:39 | probe | stuns merlin262 with a chromatic orb |
| 02:33:40 | merlin262 | I user debian |
| 02:33:42 | merlin262 | i hate debian |
| 02:33:48 | merlin262 | s/user/use/ |
| 02:33:56 | KeyserSoze | DevGirl: how old were you when you started reading? |
| 02:34:00 | probe | heh |
| 02:34:15 | probe | that's not nice, KeyserSoze |
| 02:34:17 | probe | = ] |
| 02:34:17 | merlin262 | debian just sucks less |
| 02:34:29 | KeyserSoze | probe? why? |
| 02:34:35 | KeyserSoze | s/?/: |
| 02:34:40 | DevGirl | KeyserSoze: 3, but I think I didn't saw any python code until 19 ^^ |
| 02:34:52 | merlin262 | ":robe? why?"???? |
| 02:35:05 | KeyserSoze | is confused: "DevGirl started programming in python in the same day she started reading" |
| 02:35:14 | DevGirl | python code |
| 02:35:23 | DevGirl | started programming in python in the same day she started reading python code |
| 02:35:24 | probe | oh wait |
| 02:35:27 | merlin262 | any language that requires you to count spaces SHOULD BE BANNED |
| 02:35:32 | DevGirl | satisfied now??? |
| 02:35:39 | fraggle_ | use ruby instead then |
| 02:35:45 | KeyserSoze | oh, i get it. :) |
| 02:35:50 | probe | oh........ |
| 02:35:50 | KeyserSoze | that makes more sense. |
| 02:35:52 | DevGirl | is brazilian... don't speak english very well :P |
| 02:36:09 | probe | I thought she said "started programming python the day she started reading |
| 02:36:09 | merlin262 | it's IRC |
| 02:36:14 | merlin262 | noone talks english well |
| 02:36:26 | fraggle_ | ruby is like python only better apparently |
| 02:36:30 | DevGirl | kicks merlin262 |
| 02:36:41 | merlin262 | ouch! |
| 02:36:45 | merlin262 | what'd i do this time? |
| 02:36:46 | probe | DevGirl: no problems. I have many friends who couldn't write a sentence if they tried = ] |
| 02:36:46 | DevGirl | :) |
| 02:36:48 | KeyserSoze | noone sounds like coworker |
| 02:37:03 | KeyserSoze | cow-orker, nune. |
| 02:37:12 | DevGirl | :P |
| 02:37:34 | KeyserSoze | merlin262: you plan to be a TA in grad school? |
| 02:37:35 | probe | fraggle_:what were you saying 2 weeks ago? That K&R C programming book? |
| 02:37:36 | DevGirl | I think I missed the pun... |
| 02:37:49 | DevGirl | C! yikes |
| 02:37:49 | merlin262 | KeyserSoze: I dunno, I'm trying to figure out how to pay for it |
| 02:38:01 | probe | C: I need to learn it |
| 02:38:01 | merlin262 | right now, I'm enyoing the luxery of a full ride. |
| 02:38:03 | KeyserSoze | no pun. no one just looks funny concatenated. and so does coworker. |
| 02:38:11 | fraggle_ | probe: oh yeah |
| 02:38:14 | DevGirl | ^^ |
| 02:38:21 | probe | fraggle_:upload it! |
| 02:38:26 | KeyserSoze | would like to go to grad school full time, but make engineer-money. |
| 02:38:38 | KeyserSoze | and if i can only do one, I will make the engineer-money. |
| 02:38:40 | merlin262 | I want to go to grad school full time |
| 02:38:54 | merlin262 | be in pain for a few years |
| 02:39:05 | merlin262 | then get out, and ... i dunno anymore |
| 02:39:17 | KeyserSoze | pain includes macaroni and cheese and raman noodles, and no toys :( |
| 02:39:21 | KeyserSoze | likes toys. |
| 02:39:28 | KeyserSoze | electronics and cars. |
| 02:39:37 | merlin262 | Nooooooo!!!!!!!! |
| 02:39:37 | probe | (sigh)... all these people discussing college... I just started high-school this year =P |
| 02:39:54 | merlin262 | how much does one make as a TA? |
| 02:40:00 | KeyserSoze | well, get your butt in gear. start college next year :) |
| 02:40:01 | merlin262 | do they usually help pay tuition no? |
| 02:40:08 | KeyserSoze | as a TA? maybe 15,000. |
| 02:40:13 | KeyserSoze | yeah, they pay tuition. |
| 02:40:15 | DevGirl | like ramen |
| 02:40:22 | merlin262 | so $15,000 on top of tuition? |
| 02:40:26 | merlin262 | I can live with that |
| 02:40:27 | DevGirl | like cheese also |
| 02:40:27 | merlin262 | maybe |
| 02:40:29 | probe | ramen is a food from the gods |
| 02:40:42 | KeyserSoze | likes meat. nice thick cuts of steak, cooked by someone else, served in a resteraunt |
| 02:40:55 | merlin262 | I'll never move out... arghhhhh... :( :( |
| 02:40:58 | probe | is a vegetarian |
| 02:41:01 | KeyserSoze | LOVES cheese fries from the outback steakhouse. |
| 02:41:18 | probe | I haven't had a bite of meat in years |
| 02:41:19 | KeyserSoze | they are fries covered in cheese and bacon, and you dip them in ranch dressing. |
| 02:41:21 | fraggle_ | http://vect.org:8080/~sdh/k_and_r.tar.gz |
| 02:41:23 | DevGirl | likes meat also ^^ |
| 02:41:29 | fraggle_ | (still uploading, leave it a few minutes) |
| 02:41:30 | probe | fraggle_: thanx |
| 02:41:53 | merlin262 | don't forget algorithms in C!!!!! |
| 02:42:00 | probe | hmmm? |
| 02:42:06 | probe | O'relliy book? |
| 02:42:17 | fraggle_ | oreilly? i have a bunch of those too |
| 02:42:23 | merlin262 | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0201756080/qid=1032407304/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_3/102-9903481-8720117?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 |
| 02:42:25 | merlin262 | Get all 5 |
| 02:42:52 | DevGirl | KeyserSoze: I did something like that once (cheese fries), but I've never seen something like this in brazil... |
| 02:42:55 | probe | fraggle_: done uploading, you think? |
| 02:43:06 | fraggle_ | yep finished |
| 02:43:15 | KeyserSoze | DevGirl: are you in Brazil now? |
| 02:43:17 | merlin262 | Algorithms in C should be mandatory reading |
| 02:43:26 | merlin262 | I only have the 2nd edition tho |
| 02:43:29 | DevGirl | KeyserSoze: I've never been in outback steakhouse also |
| 02:43:34 | DevGirl | KeyserSoze: yes. |
| 02:43:40 | KeyserSoze | you must go to an outback! |
| 02:43:47 | probe | fraggle_: thank you so much. |
| 02:43:54 | DevGirl | KeyserSoze: too expensive :P |
| 02:43:59 | KeyserSoze | sorry for yelling. i get excited when i talk about the outback steakhouse. |
| 02:44:14 | fraggle_ | np |
| 02:44:16 | DevGirl | KeyserSoze: I tried, but the prices were TOO high :P |
| 02:45:10 | DevGirl | KeyserSoze: so I looked into my wallet and said "ok, McDonald's today" ^^ |
| 02:45:10 | merlin262 | probe: also, http://www.faqs.org/faqs/C-faq/faq/ |
| 02:45:35 | probe | merlin262: eh? I'll check it out. Thanks |
| 02:45:54 | KeyserSoze | cheese fries tend to clog arteries. probably shouldn't eat them while carrying a youngin' |
| 02:46:09 | DevGirl | KeyserSoze: I got excited when I saw the outback's Menu ^^ |
| 02:46:15 | merlin262 | probe: the C faq is good when you have a specific question |
| 02:46:17 | DevGirl | KeyserSoze: yeah :P |
| 02:46:30 | probe | merlin262: I have those *a lot* |
| 02:47:07 | DevGirl | But I promise I'll save money and eat some day after the child's birth |
| 02:47:11 | merlin262 | better url: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html |
| 02:48:11 | KeyserSoze | not too many high-paying software development jobs in brazil? |
| 02:48:52 | DevGirl | that's not the case. Outback that is too expensive |
| 02:48:59 | probe | time to read |
| 02:49:39 | KeyserSoze | hmmm. that's odd. the main reason I like the outback here is that it is relatively cheap (for steak, anyway) |
| 02:50:32 | DevGirl | don't know why, but is too expensive here... |
| 02:50:41 | DevGirl | really |
| 02:51:14 | KeyserSoze | it's fancy foreign food, outside of the US. :) |
| 02:51:21 | DevGirl | ^^ |
| 02:51:22 | KeyserSoze | is mcdonalds expensive there? |
| 02:51:46 | DevGirl | not like outback ^^ |
| 02:51:50 | KeyserSoze | when /me was in Europe, mcdonalds and burger kind were expensive. |
| 02:52:15 | DevGirl | mc donalds aren't that expensive here |
| 02:52:29 | DevGirl | and we don't have Burger king :( |
| 02:52:33 | fraggle_ | DevGirl i hope your kid isnt going to grow up to become one of those hackers that defaces zillions of sites |
| 02:52:56 | fraggle_ | its funny reading the alldas archives, like half the defacements are by brazilians heheh |
| 02:53:20 | fraggle_ | shoutouts to l33t d00dz, brazil rlz!! |
| 02:53:27 | DevGirl | fraggle_: I would give him a serious punishment if he would |
| 02:53:38 | fraggle_ | heheh |
| 02:53:56 | DevGirl | fraggle_: respect is really important :) |
| 02:54:04 | KeyserSoze | do you know it's a he? |
| 02:54:13 | DevGirl | no! ^^ |
| 02:54:19 | DevGirl | that was an mistake ^^ |
| 02:54:26 | DevGirl | or wasn't? |
| 02:54:29 | DevGirl | thinking |
| 02:54:32 | KeyserSoze | could be, or maybe not. |
| 02:54:36 | DevGirl | yes |
| 02:54:52 | DevGirl | sometimes says she, sometimes says he... :P |
| 02:54:53 | KeyserSoze | did you just decide it was a mistake, and the kid is a she? |
| 02:54:57 | DevGirl | is confused |
| 02:55:53 | DevGirl | no. The fact I said "he" was a mistake, cause it's the "dominant" gender in portuguese |
| 02:55:57 | KeyserSoze | i guess i should download gentoo to the machine with the burner, shouldn't I? |
| 02:55:58 | DevGirl | we don't have it |
| 02:56:11 | DevGirl | we don't have "it" |
| 02:56:30 | fraggle_ | these defacements are funny |
| 02:56:32 | KeyserSoze | i almost started downloading an ISO to my linux machine that doesn't have a burner. |
| 02:56:44 | fraggle_ | the crazy thing is they're all *exactly* the same |
| 02:57:02 | DevGirl | so, If you want to talk about something that you don't know the gender, or it doesn't matter, you say "he" in portuguese |
| 02:57:02 | KeyserSoze | really? no "it" in portuguese? that's interesting. |
| 02:57:14 | probe | I have to get up early tomorrow... |
| 02:57:15 | KeyserSoze | is portuguese a romance language? |
| 02:57:32 | KeyserSoze | romance=based on latin. |
| 02:57:33 | probe | I'll be heading on bed now. |
| 02:57:35 | probe | yawns |
| 02:57:40 | gonkulator | night probe |
| 02:57:47 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: good luck with Gentoo |
| 02:57:50 | KeyserSoze | don't know if "romance language" means the same in other languages. |
| 02:57:51 | gonkulator | is off to bed as well |
| 02:57:56 | KeyserSoze | icky: i'll give it a shot. |
| 02:58:03 | probe | bye everyone... thanc for the resources fraggle_ and merlin262 |
| 02:58:08 | DevGirl | fraggle_: I read something about it. I think that that crackers are all kids with low self-esteem (is it right?) |
| 02:58:10 | gonkulator | runs gentoo on all his linux boxen now |
| 02:58:11 | probe | gonkulator: oh... hi there |
| 02:58:19 | gonkulator | is off to bed now |
| 02:58:23 | KeyserSoze | icky: how many boxen? |
| 02:58:27 | DevGirl | by, gonky |
| 02:58:29 | gonkulator | *clicks monitor power* |
| 02:58:33 | DevGirl | bye, gonky |
| 02:58:47 | fraggle_ | http://defaced.alldas.org/mirror/2002/09/18/www.talkybuddy.com/ |
| 02:58:53 | DevGirl | KeyserSoze: yes. |
| 02:59:10 | DevGirl | KeyserSoze: yes it is a romance language |
| 02:59:26 | KeyserSoze | hmmm. /me had a few years of Latin, and it made no bones about having feminine, masculine, and neuter. |
| 02:59:37 | KeyserSoze | surprising. |
| 03:01:05 | DevGirl | fraggle_: don't know. that kind of thing don't appeal for me |
| 03:01:44 | DevGirl | fraggle_: I think that be free is respect others privacy and opinions and have yours respected |
| 03:02:26 | DevGirl | who defaces hps don't respect other people |
| 03:02:43 | DevGirl | I mean: that's an invasion... |
| 03:03:38 | fraggle_ | yeah |
| 03:04:12 | fraggle_ | its kind of strange how many of them are done by brazillians though |
| 03:05:00 | DevGirl | some brazilian youngsters are rebels without cause |
| 03:05:48 | DevGirl | they need changes and think they will change something this way |
| 03:05:59 | DevGirl | or they want to feel powerful |
| 03:06:22 | DevGirl | don't think these boys are intelligent or smart. |
| 03:06:34 | fraggle_ | yeah its obvious they arent |
| 03:07:14 | fraggle_ | most of these defacements are just bragging gibberish |
| 03:07:26 | DevGirl | but they feel like that when defacing hps |
| 03:07:27 | fraggle_ | or political messages |
| 03:07:42 | DevGirl | "oh! I'm so smart!!!!" |
| 03:07:57 | fraggle_ | there are lots of defacements that call for a stop to fighting in palestine and stuff like that |
| 03:08:37 | DevGirl | I think they're more like babies crying to someone change their diapers :P |
| 03:09:20 | DevGirl | fraggle_: as someone really powerful would listen them. Brazil is a third world country |
| 03:09:38 | merlin262 | blizzard.com is interesting right now |
| 03:10:41 | Xentac | returnth... luckily not many bruises. |
| 03:10:41 | KeyserSoze | merlin262: it is? |
| 03:10:42 | Xentac | is back (gone 02:47:02) |
| 03:11:02 | KeyserSoze | hi xentac. |
| 03:11:03 | merlin262 | count down |
| 03:11:08 | merlin262 | for what? |
| 03:11:08 | Xentac | hi |
| 03:11:12 | merlin262 | hi Xentac |
| 03:11:16 | DevGirl | defacing pages WON'T stop fighting in palestine. Even if god appeared there and ask the end of fighting, they wouldn't stop. there's so much hate and revenge involved... :( |
| 03:11:19 | KeyserSoze | what countdown? |
| 03:11:30 | merlin262 | I have a solution for Palastine |
| 03:11:39 | KeyserSoze | was I not supposed to skip the flash intro? |
| 03:11:46 | Xentac | one thing I read a little while ago that I thought was really good.. |
| 03:11:48 | KeyserSoze | cause I'll be damned if I sit through a flash intro. |
| 03:11:49 | fraggle_ | i think its more of an excuse really |
| 03:11:52 | Xentac | it was a short rant about censorshio |
| 03:11:52 | merlin262 | it involves Hydrogen, and certain interesting materials |
| 03:11:56 | Xentac | er... censorship |
| 03:12:02 | merlin262 | that's how you solve Palastine |
| 03:12:09 | Xentac | how come we censor words like "shit" but not words like "hate"? |
| 03:12:10 | fraggle_ | they try to justify it by saying they're trying to deliver some kind of political message |
| 03:12:17 | KeyserSoze | we don't censor shit. |
| 03:12:23 | Xentac | will you go to hell if you shit but not if you hate? |
| 03:12:27 | KeyserSoze | we also don' censor "shit". |
| 03:12:38 | KeyserSoze | #picogui is censor free! |
| 03:12:43 | DevGirl | fraggle_: thats why i see them like babies crying to someone change their diapers :P |
| 03:12:48 | merlin262 | i <censored>ing don't care about this <censored> <censored> that you little <censored>s are talking about God <censored> it. |
| 03:12:48 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: we as a society |
| 03:12:49 | fraggle_ | heheh |
| 03:12:52 | KeyserSoze | merling262: what countdown? |
| 03:13:01 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: oh, you mean Canada? |
| 03:13:02 | merlin262 | it's java at the start |
| 03:13:21 | Xentac | I don't think that Canada censors shit |
| 03:13:30 | merlin262 | <censored>? |
| 03:13:33 | merlin262 | hehe |
| 03:13:34 | Xentac | though I know that both Canada and the US used to... |
| 03:13:40 | DevGirl | "That's 'aboot' liberty!!!!" |
| 03:13:43 | DevGirl | mhuawhauwhwauahwuwahwauwahaw |
| 03:13:45 | KeyserSoze | lol |
| 03:14:08 | DevGirl | loved South Park Bigger Longer and Uncut |
| 03:14:33 | Xentac | was just reminded that he's going to have a number of impressionable minds listening to him intently within the next 2 weeks... |
| 03:14:35 | KeyserSoze | was just glad that Saddam and Satan found each other. |
| 03:14:54 | Xentac | geez... such an irresponsible guy like me... I get to teach kids how to beat each other up... |
| 03:15:05 | KeyserSoze | yay! |
| 03:15:07 | DevGirl | mhuahwauahwuwahwauhawuwahauwhawu |
| 03:15:18 | KeyserSoze | make them fight for prizes, and honor, in the arena. |
| 03:15:24 | merlin262 | http://www.starcraft2.com/ just to further |
| 03:15:28 | Xentac | hehehe... |
| 03:15:35 | Xentac | somehow I don't think that would go over well with my sensei... |
| 03:15:44 | DevGirl | KeyserSoze: "But I can change, I can change!!!! I know I've been a pretty little bastard..." |
| 03:16:04 | KeyserSoze | Chris was cool, too. |
| 03:16:40 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: will your sensei be there? |
| 03:16:56 | KeyserSoze | because I always wanted an army of evil cyborg monkies. |
| 03:17:14 | KeyserSoze | and i suppose a hoard of children trained in martial arts would be almost as good... |
| 03:17:17 | Xentac | probably not most of the time |
| 03:17:24 | Xentac | :P |
| 03:17:25 | Xentac | geez |
| 03:17:25 | KeyserSoze | and about the most i could expect, in the near future. |
| 03:17:35 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: think positive! |
| 03:17:44 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: you *will* get an army of evil cyborg monkeys |
| 03:17:45 | Xentac | I'll remember never to relinquish any positions of authority to you people... |
| 03:17:46 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: dont settle.. |
| 03:17:48 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: :-P |
| 03:17:55 | KeyserSoze | i'm not holding my breath for an army of cyborg monkeys. |
| 03:18:10 | KeyserSoze | AFAIK, *no one* has an army of cyborg monkeys right now. |
| 03:18:15 | KeyserSoze | and i don't think i'll be the first. |
| 03:18:16 | kergoth | too bad too |
| 03:18:18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:18:21 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: you'll be the first guy on your block! |
| 03:18:30 | KeyserSoze | you know how it is with new technology, the price is always high at first. |
| 03:18:37 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 03:18:39 | KeyserSoze | i'll wait a year or two for prices to drop. |
| 03:18:45 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: you'll have to pick up a few on ebay |
| 03:19:02 | KeyserSoze | maybe buy someone elses like-new cyborg monkey henchmen, when they upgrade. |
| 03:19:11 | kergoth | yeah, there ya go |
| 03:19:18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:19:27 | DevGirl | I'll quit... I'm w/a HUGE head ache and I need to rest. |
| 03:19:27 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: could you dress up the kids as cyborg monkeys, and film them beating someone up? |
| 03:19:33 | DevGirl | bye, boys! |
| 03:19:39 | Xentac | you guys read the top story on slashdot? |
| 03:19:41 | KeyserSoze | bye |
| 03:19:45 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: ummm... no |
| 03:19:59 | Xentac | writes a note in his Zaurus to do the opposite of what KeyserSoze says. |
| 03:20:08 | KeyserSoze | was talking to DevGirl. |
| 03:20:09 | kergoth | Xentac: wait |
| 03:20:21 | kergoth | Xentac: what exactly is the oppostive of dressing them up as cyborg monkeys? |
| 03:20:26 | kergoth | ponders |
| 03:20:33 | kergoth | s/oppostive/opposite/ |
| 03:20:38 | Xentac | kergoth: ummm... uhhh... good question... |
| 03:20:42 | KeyserSoze | ooh, look at fancy xentac. writing in his Zaurus, training his army of karate-urchin. |
| 03:20:56 | Xentac | there will be two classes of them |
| 03:21:06 | Xentac | one high level, the other lower |
| 03:21:06 | KeyserSoze | well isn't *that* special. |
| 03:21:12 | KeyserSoze | not just one class for you, eh? |
| 03:21:16 | KeyserSoze | :) |
| 03:21:17 | Xentac | yeah... that's like 30+ kids |
| 03:21:21 | Xentac | that's right |
| 03:21:32 | Xentac | it's difficult to teach kids... |
| 03:21:33 | Xentac | you know that? |
| 03:21:38 | KeyserSoze | what am i looking at on /.? |
| 03:21:39 | Xentac | just ask any teacher... |
| 03:21:43 | Xentac | the skydriving |
| 03:21:48 | Xentac | read what their goal is |
| 03:21:50 | kergoth | yeah, i saw that |
| 03:21:55 | kergoth | thats amusing |
| 03:21:56 | KeyserSoze | not the ultimate DVD burner? |
| 03:22:02 | kergoth | i dont want to be in that bus |
| 03:22:12 | Xentac | no, not the ultimate dvd burner |
| 03:22:36 | Xentac | the beauty of teaching karate and not school (which I /seriously/ doubt I'd ever do) is that if the kids are bad I can make them do pushups |
| 03:22:44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:22:46 | kergoth | thats handy |
| 03:22:51 | KeyserSoze | or, hit them. |
| 03:22:52 | Xentac | or... spar with them... |
| 03:22:55 | KeyserSoze | and call it teaching. |
| 03:23:00 | kergoth | lol |
| 03:23:01 | KeyserSoze | yeah! |
| 03:23:03 | Xentac | but strangely enough, they normally like sparring with me |
| 03:23:08 | KeyserSoze | i like to hit people much smaller than me! |
| 03:23:19 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: you need help, but we knew that |
| 03:23:21 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: :) |
| 03:23:34 | KeyserSoze | is like 250lbs, so "smaller than" includes a lot of people. |
| 03:23:41 | KeyserSoze | some even two at a time :) |
| 03:23:43 | Xentac | maybe it's because I normally let them hit me more than I hit them... |
| 03:23:55 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: the problem is when they move, right? |
| 03:23:59 | KeyserSoze | nope. |
| 03:24:05 | KeyserSoze | i've got these huge monkey arms. |
| 03:24:10 | KeyserSoze | i can still grab them. |
| 03:24:16 | KeyserSoze | my wing span is like 7' |
| 03:24:27 | Xentac | pictures Andre The Giant, in Princess Bride |
| 03:24:35 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:24:39 | kergoth | i love that movie |
| 03:24:42 | KeyserSoze | except half the weight, and a foot shorter ;) |
| 03:24:48 | KeyserSoze | is only 6'4" |
| 03:24:57 | Xentac | and guess what... |
| 03:25:00 | Xentac | the masked man beat him! |
| 03:25:01 | kergoth | "fezzik, you have a great gift for rhyme." .. "yes yes, some of the time" |
| 03:25:09 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 03:25:11 | kergoth | Xentac: but that was cause he was used to fighting groups! |
| 03:25:13 | kergoth | Xentac: :) |
| 03:25:19 | Xentac | wishes he had the dvd... he only has the vhs |
| 03:25:25 | Xentac | kergoth: oh yeah.. right... for charities... |
| 03:25:25 | KeyserSoze | that, and it was fiction. :) |
| 03:25:29 | kergoth | yeahh |
| 03:25:31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:25:39 | KeyserSoze | The ultimated DVD burner: |
| 03:25:45 | KeyserSoze | ./ |
| 03:25:53 | Xentac | still has a feeling he could hold his own against KeyserSoze... |
| 03:25:59 | KeyserSoze | Lindows 2.0.0! |
| 03:26:05 | KeyserSoze | finally, linux for people like me! |
| 03:26:32 | KeyserSoze | would like to spar with someone who knows karate, but not so much that he bleeds too much. |
| 03:26:36 | Xentac | thinks he might be slightly narcaleptic (is that right...? you love yourself?).. it's really sort of pitiful... but I really like the way my muscles have developed |
| 03:26:43 | Xentac | if I was a woman, I'd have sex with myself |
| 03:27:13 | KeyserSoze | neurotic. |
| 03:27:24 | KeyserSoze | no, wait, narcissistic. |
| 03:27:42 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: well... if we set out some rules then I wouldn't mind ;o)... but I'm totally not a traditional karate sparrer... more like... kickboxing/karate |
| 03:27:53 | KeyserSoze | that'd be okay. |
| 03:27:54 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: right... that's it... narcaleptic is when you fall asleep... |
| 03:27:55 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 03:27:56 | kergoth | i need to start training again |
| 03:27:58 | kergoth | i've been slackin |
| 03:28:03 | Xentac | :) |
| 03:28:12 | Xentac | PicoBot: seen gonkulator |
| 03:28:13 | PicoBot | gonkulator was last seen on #picogui 29 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying: is off to bed now [Wed Sep 18 22:04:38 2002] |
| 03:28:17 | Xentac | dman... |
| 03:28:22 | Xentac | er... damn... |
| 03:28:42 | Xentac | but yeah... I couldn't believe how much forearm muscle I have the other day... |
| 03:28:50 | KeyserSoze | lol. just the one arm? |
| 03:28:55 | Xentac | I guess it was because I /always/ thought I was small and not well built |
| 03:28:55 | KeyserSoze | i've got that too. |
| 03:28:57 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: no... both! |
| 03:29:00 | kergoth | lol |
| 03:29:18 | Xentac | wanted to take some pictures... and then share them with people! |
| 03:29:19 | kergoth | Xentac: i was the same way when i started training a couple years ago |
| 03:29:24 | kergoth | Xentac: lost that now though |
| 03:29:26 | kergoth | sighs |
| 03:29:33 | Xentac | talk about narcissistic... |
| 03:29:41 | KeyserSoze | thought about it, and decided if he was a chick, he'd still have sex with other chicks, and not with Xentac. |
| 03:29:45 | KeyserSoze | no offense... |
| 03:29:51 | Xentac | and my pecs actually stick out well enough now to be farther than my stomach! |
| 03:30:00 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: that's ok man... I understand |
| 03:30:13 | Xentac | would probably be a mostly chick chick as well |
| 03:30:16 | scanline | My completely muscle-free ribs stick out farther than my stomach... |
| 03:30:40 | Xentac | scanline: hehehe |
| 03:31:15 | Xentac | has this strange urge to have a Coke... but that'd only be a good idea if he didn't want to sleep till tomorrow |
| 03:32:08 | Xentac | I have like bands of muscle going down my arms... |
| 03:32:16 | Xentac | tries to remember where he'd seen this picture... hold on... |
| 03:32:35 | KeyserSoze | me has muscle, but it is covered with a luxurious layer of fat. |
| 03:32:46 | KeyserSoze | nice and soft and comfortable. |
| 03:32:49 | KeyserSoze | :) |
| 03:33:15 | kergoth | yeh i have too much of a layer of fat myself, for my liking anyway |
| 03:33:17 | kergoth | i'm such a fucking slacker |
| 03:33:22 | kergoth | i need to buy some weight equipment |
| 03:33:25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:33:30 | KeyserSoze | uh oh. is xentac getting us a picture of him with his shirt off? |
| 03:33:33 | Xentac | has small amount of fat... but you can still see some definition on his stomach |
| 03:33:45 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: no no... I was looking for one of bruce lee actually... |
| 03:33:48 | kergoth | Xentac: last time i trained i had it to a 4pack, but not quite to a 6 |
| 03:33:50 | Xentac | that's what my forearms reminded me of |
| 03:33:55 | kergoth | bruce lee is damn cool |
| 03:34:02 | kergoth | i need to buy his old movies |
| 03:34:05 | KeyserSoze | my forearms are more like bruce lees thighs. |
| 03:34:09 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:34:15 | Xentac | has a 6... if you look at it in the right light ;o)... the last 2 cans are a little... ummm... wobbly... |
| 03:34:16 | KeyserSoze | and my thighs are probably a bit bigger than his waste. |
| 03:34:30 | kergoth | Xentac: yeah, thats how i was too sorta |
| 03:34:34 | Xentac | here's one... but it's not all that great: |
| 03:34:35 | Xentac | http://www.bruceleedivinewind.com/pix/feats3.jpg |
| 03:34:47 | kergoth | Xentac: whatever you do, dont start skipping workouts |
| 03:34:53 | kergoth | Xentac: cause then you'll end up a slacker like me |
| 03:34:55 | kergoth | Xentac: hehe |
| 03:35:07 | Xentac | was told for a long time that he looked like bruce lee... he believes he has a similar build... |
| 03:35:19 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: also don't stop going to the gym entirely, and keep eating like you still did, and then gain like 50lbs. |
| 03:35:23 | Xentac | kergoth: I know... I took about a year off... it was /extremely/ difficult to start training again |
| 03:35:39 | Xentac | gained something like 10-20lbs in the last little while, actually |
| 03:35:44 | kergoth | Xentac: i'm still in that difficult point |
| 03:35:46 | kergoth | Xentac: hehe |
| 03:35:54 | Xentac | kergoth: hehehe... it's /very/ tough to start again |
| 03:36:02 | Xentac | I'd train more if I didn't want to have some sort of a life... |
| 03:36:09 | KeyserSoze | nope, I don't have lines in my forearms. just lumps. |
| 03:36:11 | kergoth | Xentac: you know how much fat i gained *trying* to start training? |
| 03:36:20 | kergoth | Xentac: i'd start for a while, then stop. i did that like 4 times |
| 03:36:26 | kergoth | Xentac: i wouldnt have gained any if it werent for that shit |
| 03:36:40 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 03:36:44 | Xentac | you guys saw the pictures though? |
| 03:36:52 | KeyserSoze | yep, saw the pic. |
| 03:36:54 | Xentac | kergoth: it has to become regular... and it has to become regular right away... |
| 03:37:04 | KeyserSoze | looks funny, like that. |
| 03:37:10 | Xentac | and it's gonna hurt a lot for the first couple of weeks |
| 03:37:23 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: my forearms look a fair bit like that... |
| 03:37:31 | Xentac | ponders just grabbing the family digital camera... |
| 03:37:36 | kergoth | Xentac: dood, i miss that soreness |
| 03:37:44 | Xentac | :) |
| 03:37:48 | kergoth | Xentac: when i train for a bit, its like coming back |
| 03:37:50 | kergoth | Xentac: and its great |
| 03:37:52 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: just keep your clothes on, or I won't look at the pics. |
| 03:37:53 | kergoth | cause i know its doing something |
| 03:37:57 | kergoth | you know? |
| 03:37:57 | Xentac | it feels so good... when you stop... |
| 03:37:59 | Xentac | ;o) |
| 03:37:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:38:05 | Xentac | kergoth: yeah, I totally know |
| 03:38:16 | kergoth | now the only training i do is boxing with the punching bag, and throwing knives |
| 03:38:20 | kergoth | cause i have no equipmennt |
| 03:38:24 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: dude... I'll probably have my shirt off... but I suppose I could put it on if you didn't like it that much ;o) |
| 03:38:27 | kergoth | (i used to work out at my parents when i lvied there) |
| 03:38:28 | Xentac | kergoth: join a dojo... |
| 03:38:33 | kergoth | Xentac: i did |
| 03:38:33 | KeyserSoze | kergoth: heavy bag, or speed bag? |
| 03:38:40 | kergoth | Xentac: I started studying jeet kune do |
| 03:38:43 | kergoth | Xentac: but then i bought a house |
| 03:38:46 | kergoth | Xentac: (townhouse) |
| 03:38:49 | Xentac | used to be good and decent on the speed bag... but hasn't tried for a while |
| 03:38:51 | kergoth | Xentac: i cant afford the $60 a month for it |
| 03:39:01 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: heavy bag, i need to pick up a speed bag |
| 03:39:20 | KeyserSoze | heavy bag will be a better workout, though, that's why i asked. |
| 03:39:27 | kergoth | indeed |
| 03:39:45 | kergoth | I would like to pick up weight training equipment, and gym mats, to set up in my garage |
| 03:39:48 | Xentac | kergoth: hmmm... that's the tough part... if you were part of a dojo already I bet that most (good) teachers would let it slide till you got enough money (if it were a low period) |
| 03:39:49 | kergoth | then itd be convenient |
| 03:40:12 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: depends on what you want... the speed bag made me lighting fast... well... not lighting... but it helped my timing and stuff... |
| 03:40:15 | KeyserSoze | lives in an apartment. no room for anything. |
| 03:40:20 | Xentac | different equipment for different uses |
| 03:40:23 | kergoth | Xentac: I didnt ask.. I'm not one to do so |
| 03:40:25 | Xentac | can't work out by himself... he's tried |
| 03:40:25 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:40:31 | kergoth | I want all the various bits of equipment in my garage |
| 03:40:33 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:40:44 | Xentac | wants to start kick boxing on fridays... but it's really going to friggin hurt |
| 03:40:51 | kergoth | thatd be cool |
| 03:40:58 | kergoth | I'd like to go to a boxing place as well regularly |
| 03:41:06 | KeyserSoze | boxing would be cool. |
| 03:41:11 | kergoth | my jeet kune do teacher encouraged us to take other martial arts courses, and to study boxing |
| 03:41:19 | kergoth | to incorporate bits of them all into our skillset |
| 03:41:22 | Xentac | nods. |
| 03:41:45 | Xentac | we have a friday night kick boxing class... and it'd really help me with my not-liking-getting-hit |
| 03:42:00 | Xentac | kergoth: it's difficult to do that and keep a life though... I'd really like to try it as well |
| 03:42:05 | kergoth | Xentac: indeed |
| 03:42:10 | kergoth | Xentac: i barely have neough time for shit now |
| 03:42:16 | kergoth | Xentac: and i'm not even training |
| 03:42:21 | kergoth | i need like a 48 hour day |
| 03:42:23 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 03:42:23 | kergoth | then i'd be happy |
| 03:42:25 | kergoth | and bored a lot |
| 03:42:26 | Xentac | everyone does |
| 03:42:27 | kergoth | but happy |
| 03:42:29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:42:31 | Xentac | you have to make time |
| 03:42:31 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:42:38 | KeyserSoze | if I had a 48 hour day, i could sleep 15 hours, and still get stuff done. |
| 03:42:42 | KeyserSoze | that'd be nice. |
| 03:43:02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:43:04 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:43:15 | kergoth | i couldnt do that though, i'm more tired if i get too much sleep |
| 03:43:24 | kergoth | more tired than i wouldve been if i didnt get enough |
| 03:43:26 | kergoth | stangely enough |
| 03:44:05 | Xentac | kergoth: most people are like that |
| 03:44:17 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:44:20 | kergoth | still seems odd :) |
| 03:44:51 | Xentac | notes it's difficult to get this shot right... when he doesn't have someone else taking it ;o) |
| 03:45:28 | KeyserSoze | has to be at a shop at 9:00. |
| 03:45:41 | KeyserSoze | they are letting me use a lift to put long tube exhaust headers on my car. |
| 03:46:01 | KeyserSoze | since i usually get to work after 10:00, 9 is early :) |
| 03:46:16 | KeyserSoze | anyone here into cars? |
| 03:46:48 | Xentac | is a bit... more bikes than cars |
| 03:47:04 | KeyserSoze | still wants a bike, but doesn't have one. |
| 03:47:16 | kergoth | sleep time |
| 03:47:17 | KeyserSoze | blew a bunch of money on my car. |
| 03:47:21 | kergoth | night all |
| 03:47:32 | KeyserSoze | keep thinking maybe I should have got a bike, instead. |
| 03:47:37 | KeyserSoze | night, kergoth |
| 03:47:46 | Xentac | kergoth`sleep: dude... wait for the pictures! |
| 03:47:47 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 03:48:07 | kergoth`sleep | damn self centered bastards |
| 03:48:09 | kergoth`sleep | :-P |
| 03:48:12 | KeyserSoze | alright, i gotta get out of here before xentac posts naked pics of himself. |
| 03:48:13 | KeyserSoze | :) |
| 03:48:14 | kergoth`sleep | hehe |
| 03:48:16 | kergoth`sleep | night |
| 03:48:22 | Xentac | bah |
| 03:48:27 | Xentac | kergoth`sleep: night |
| 03:48:31 | Xentac | just wanted to show you, is all |
| 03:48:42 | KeyserSoze | show sophie, she likes guys. |
| 03:48:49 | KeyserSoze | or DevGirl. |
| 03:48:57 | KeyserSoze | :p |
| 03:49:09 | Xentac | where's sophie right now...? |
| 03:49:16 | Keyser[zzz] | asleep. |
| 03:49:20 | Xentac | bah |
| 03:49:26 | Keyser[zzz] | i'll wake her up, but it better be worth it. |
| 03:49:32 | Keyser[zzz] | you'll have to show a lot of skin |
| 03:49:38 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 03:49:40 | Xentac | we'll see... |
| 03:49:40 | Keyser[zzz] | or she'll be upset she got up for it. |
| 03:49:43 | Xentac | downloading them now |
| 03:51:57 | Xentac | copying them to the server... |
| 03:52:03 | Xentac | they're huge... maybe I'll resize them... |
| 03:54:30 | Xentac | sends the small ones first... they're only 1024x768... |
| 03:54:39 | Xentac | http://xentac.net:8085/~jchu/moreme |
| 03:54:41 | Xentac | if anyone actually cares... |
| 03:55:31 | Xentac | suggests 00943 and 00945... and if you want to see what I look like (ie. my face) 00946 and 00947 |
| 03:55:45 | Xentac | s means small... d means... ummm... not small |
| 03:56:01 | Xentac | notes that the pictures aren't as cool as the real thing... but no one is listening anyway... |
| 03:56:24 | Keyser[zzz] | is too busy looking at xentac's home-porn to listen. |
| 03:56:35 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 03:56:41 | Xentac | I haven't finished uploading the d ones... |
| 03:57:37 | Xentac | most of them aren't that good... |
| 03:57:46 | Keyser[zzz] | i'll give the link to sophie, and let you know if she makes it her wallpaper or anything. |
| 03:57:50 | Keyser[zzz] | :) |
| 03:57:59 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 03:57:59 | Xentac | ok |
| 03:58:01 | Xentac | night |
| 03:58:03 | Keyser[zzz] | you've got tough competition though |
| 03:58:17 | Xentac | I bet I do |
| 03:58:18 | Keyser[zzz] | she's got Laetitia Casta right now. |
| 03:58:58 | Xentac | how can I compete? |
| 04:14:15 | Xentac | is learning this new kata... and he wants to learn it really well... |
| 04:14:18 | Xentac | it's very beautiful... |
| 04:58:46 | Xentac | is away: sleeping |
| 09:03:02 | file[bed] | hiya |
| 09:40:58 | file[school] | PicoBot: seen scanline? |
| 09:40:59 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 6 hours, 10 minutes and 43 seconds ago, saying: My completely muscle-free ribs stick out farther than my stomach... [Wed Sep 18 22:36:35 2002] |
| 09:41:04 | file[school] | PicoBot: seen gonkulator? |
| 09:41:05 | PicoBot | gonkulator was last seen on #picogui 6 hours, 42 minutes and 46 seconds ago, saying: is off to bed now [Wed Sep 18 22:04:38 2002] |
| 09:41:09 | file[school] | bleh |
| 11:07:55 | fragglet | PicoBot class? |
| 11:07:55 | PicoBot | class is over... no wait, its still going, no wait it _is_ over... I think |
| 11:46:12 | carpman | morning all |
| 12:36:59 | Xentac | is back (gone 07:38:14) |
| 13:31:15 | Xentac | hey kergoth.... you wanna see the pics now...? ;o) |
| 13:31:36 | kergoth | hah, let me wake up first |
| 13:31:41 | kergoth | drinks more caffeine |
| 13:32:07 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 13:32:29 | Xentac | ah well... I have to shower and stuff... so... here's a link anyway: |
| 13:32:36 | Xentac | http://xentac.net:8085/~jchu/moreme |
| 13:32:45 | Xentac | not all of them are great... |
| 13:33:22 | Xentac | suggests 00943 and 00945... and if you want to see my face 00946 and 00947 |
| 13:35:24 | carpman | w00t! My overdesign of AoF payed off again >:) |
| 13:36:28 | carpman | I can tell exactly how long an engine has been shutdown, so when it restarts, I can reschedule all of the jobs so they run exactly when they would have had then engine not shut down. |
| 13:50:54 | Xentac | is away: gnikrow |
| 13:56:48 | carpman | is away: I'm busy |
| 14:35:48 | gonkulator{work} | is away: I'm busy |
| 14:35:58 | gonkulator{work} | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 14:36:00 | gonkulator{work} | doh |
| 14:56:39 | gonkulator{work} | PicoBot: seen carpman |
| 14:56:39 | PicoBot | carpman was last seen on #picogui 59 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: is away: I'm busy [Thu Sep 19 09:03:07 2002] |
| 14:56:42 | gonkulator{work} | doh |
| 14:57:20 | gonkulator{work} | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 14:57:20 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 11 hours, 27 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying: My completely muscle-free ribs stick out farther than my stomach... [Wed Sep 18 22:36:35 2002] |
| 14:57:29 | gonkulator{work} | hehehehe |
| 15:40:27 | scanline | hi gonkulator{work} |
| 15:40:59 | gonkulator{work} | hi scanline` |
| 15:41:03 | gonkulator{work} | whats up? |
| 15:41:14 | scanline | I'm awake! |
| 15:41:18 | gonkulator{work} | has a question about Yoshi |
| 15:41:20 | scanline | but I should go to class... |
| 15:41:24 | scanline | question? |
| 15:41:26 | gonkulator{work} | yes |
| 15:41:30 | gonkulator{work} | several actually |
| 15:41:38 | gonkulator{work} | just pertaining to the hardware costs/capabilities |
| 15:41:44 | scanline | well, I have to leave soon... |
| 15:41:49 | gonkulator{work} | ok |
| 15:41:51 | scanline | so spit it out! |
| 15:41:53 | gonkulator{work} | just email me some time |
| 15:42:04 | scanline | mmmkay... |
| 15:42:09 | scanline | I'll be back on my ibook soon |
| 15:42:12 | gonkulator{work} | with your purchase stuff |
| 15:42:18 | gonkulator{work} | 666 |
| 15:42:23 | scanline | 666? |
| 15:42:27 | gonkulator{work} | kicks ilia's ass... |
| 15:42:50 | gonkulator{work} | crazy co-worker |
| 15:43:13 | scanline | anyway.. be back soon or something |
| 15:43:16 | gonkulator{work} | ok |
| 15:43:20 | scanline | is away: class |
| 15:43:23 | gonkulator{work} | will wait here |
| 15:50:03 | gonkulator{work} | waits some more for scan[ibook] |
| 15:51:35 | scan[ibook] | pokes gonkulator{work} |
| 15:52:42 | scan[ibook] | uh oh, the professor is setting up the projector and laptop.. it's powerpoint time |
| 15:58:47 | doughecka | rrrighht... |
| 15:59:59 | gonkulator{work} | hi |
| 16:00:03 | gonkulator{work} | is back |
| 16:00:04 | scan[ibook] | hi |
| 16:00:10 | gonkulator{work} | scan[ibook]: how much did your motherboard for Yoshi cost? |
| 16:00:20 | gonkulator{work} | and is there a version with a SCSI controller? |
| 16:00:22 | scan[ibook] | about $200 |
| 16:00:26 | scan[ibook] | I didn't look for SCSI |
| 16:00:28 | gonkulator{work} | ok |
| 16:00:40 | gonkulator{work} | where did you look for dual CPU motherboards? |
| 16:00:42 | scan[ibook] | most of that price is for the dual CPUs and fast bus... |
| 16:00:48 | scan[ibook] | pricewatch |
| 16:00:53 | gonkulator{work} | ok |
| 16:01:18 | gonkulator{work} | is trying to decide on a recommendation for upgrading this video editing machine |
| 16:01:35 | gonkulator{work} | might recommend dual gHz P3s for cost reasons |
| 16:01:50 | gonkulator{work} | might also recommend dual Athalon |
| 16:01:56 | gonkulator{work} | tiz a tough choice |
| 16:02:27 | scan[ibook] | you can get a dual athlon motherboard, CPUs, and fans for about $400 |
| 16:02:46 | gonkulator{work} | oh |
| 16:02:49 | gonkulator{work} | no price comparison then |
| 16:03:03 | gonkulator{work} | cause that is about the cost for a dual P3 mobo cpu combo |
| 16:03:25 | scan[ibook] | well.. that's a little bit cheating though.. that's assuming XP CPUs instead of MP |
| 16:03:38 | gonkulator{work} | knows |
| 16:03:44 | gonkulator{work} | the hardware mod wasn't too tough was it? |
| 16:03:48 | scan[ibook] | remember that's not guaranteed to work |
| 16:03:53 | scan[ibook] | but it's working great for me |
| 16:04:17 | gonkulator{work} | hmm.... |
| 16:04:23 | gonkulator{work} | checks the prices on XP vs MP |
| 16:04:40 | scan[ibook] | you might want more cooling than I have though... yoshi runs pretty hot |
| 16:04:54 | scan[ibook] | BTW.. make sure to get a motherboard with the AMD 760MXP chipset |
| 16:05:07 | gonkulator{work} | yes |
| 16:05:23 | gonkulator{work} | has been reading Tom's hardware a lot over the past few days |
| 16:05:25 | scan[ibook] | I chose mine because it was 760MXP, and it would take any type of DDR memory |
| 16:05:45 | gonkulator{work} | this machine has about 18 fans already... |
| 16:05:52 | scan[ibook] | some motherboards will only take registered DIMMs, I didn't want to have to buy those right away so I got a motherboard that takes either registered or unbuffered |
| 16:06:18 | gonkulator{work} | thats a good point... we will need to buy new memory too... |
| 16:06:33 | scan[ibook] | also remember that most 64-bit PCI slots only take 64-bit cards, so you want to make sure to get a board with enough 32-bit slots for you |
| 16:06:53 | gonkulator{work} | ok |
| 16:07:01 | gonkulator{work} | good to know |
| 16:09:14 | gonkulator{work} | needs to go to class now |
| 16:09:17 | gonkulator{work} | is away: class time |
| 16:09:19 | scan[ibook] | bye |
| 16:09:25 | gonkulator{work} | later scan |
| 16:09:27 | gonkulator{work} | later scan[ibook] |
| 16:09:33 | gonkulator{work} | is away: class time |
| 17:11:39 | Xentac[work] | hey all |
| 17:11:43 | Xentac[work] | PicoBot: seen gonkulator{work} |
| 17:11:45 | PicoBot | gonkulator{work} was last seen on #picogui 1 hours, 2 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: is away: class time [Thu Sep 19 11:15:53 2002] |
| 17:11:49 | Xentac[work] | PicoBot: seen gonkulator |
| 17:11:49 | PicoBot | gonkulator was last seen on #picogui 14 hours, 13 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: is off to bed now [Wed Sep 18 22:04:38 2002] |
| 17:11:53 | Xentac[work] | PicoBot: seen scan[ibook] |
| 17:11:53 | PicoBot | scan[ibook] was last seen on #picogui 1 hours, 2 minutes and 35 seconds ago, saying: bye [Thu Sep 19 11:15:38 2002] |
| 17:13:09 | scan[ibook] | hi Xentac[work] |
| 17:14:47 | Xentac[work] | hi scan[ibook] |
| 17:15:07 | Xentac[work] | is trying to figure out if he should take another course next semester... |
| 17:15:10 | Xentac[work] | that'd make it 5... |
| 17:15:18 | Xentac[work] | it'd have to be an easy one... preferably one with girls in it |
| 17:15:19 | Xentac[work] | ;o) |
| 17:15:22 | scan[ibook] | hehe |
| 17:16:03 | Xentac[work] | it's /extremely/ difficult to fit one into my schedule though (and have it be open) |
| 17:17:23 | scan[ibook] | hi prpplague |
| 17:17:50 | prpplague | howdy barcode-scan! |
| 17:18:13 | scan[ibook] | hehe |
| 17:19:52 | scan[ibook] | hi jimlay_ |
| 17:22:00 | Xentac[work] | ponders taking some sort of PE course... |
| 17:23:31 | Xentac[work] | hmmm... maybe a distance learning course... that'd be interesting... |
| 17:25:44 | Xentac[work] | this is the course I signed up for: |
| 17:25:51 | Xentac[work] | http://web.uvic.ca/calendar2002/CDs/PE/252.html |
| 17:26:24 | jimlay_ | I didn't know HP labs was still going strong. |
| 17:26:39 | scan[ibook] | jimlay_: Did you get the DRI stuff I /msg'ed to jimlay_away? |
| 17:26:50 | jimlay_ | Looks like X 4.3 supports RandR.. |
| 17:27:04 | jimlay_ | Nope. But I'll read the log, I just got up. :) |
| 17:27:09 | scan[ibook] | good morning :) |
| 17:28:23 | jimlay_ | so w/ x 4.3 you can resize your desktop.. not just resolution. And if your demented, you can rotate it. (with out restarting) This is of course for embded devices, but no idiot is going to run a progrma that takes 2mb + just to get running (that's with out fonts and any libraries) on an embeded device. |
| 17:29:04 | scan[ibook] | hehe |
| 17:29:13 | scan[ibook] | well... that's what the zaurus folks do |
| 17:29:20 | scan[ibook] | Qtopia is like 2mb just to get it running |
| 17:29:20 | Xentac[work] | jimlay_: sweet... you mean I could get everyone to have to look at my monitor sideways? |
| 17:29:39 | scan[ibook] | Xentac[work]: you could do that already with picogui ;) |
| 17:30:11 | jimlay_ | scan[ibook]: you can email me, I'm quite sure the email the emailaddress listed by jimlay_away. The @udb1.ischool.washington.edu one. Then I'm sure to get and probably sooner too. |
| 17:30:23 | Xentac[work] | scan[ibook]: yeah... but... I... ummm... can't run Evolution sideways in picogui! |
| 17:30:51 | scan[ibook] | jimlay_: It's no big deal, I'm just concerned that it will be very hard to impossible to get OpenGL acceleration working in Xfrank |
| 17:31:16 | jimlay_ | I see. |
| 17:31:26 | jimlay_ | what did the X people do now? ;) |
| 17:31:29 | scan[ibook] | jimlay_: especially with how NVidia doesn't even use the standard DRI architecture, they provide a custom libGL.so |
| 17:31:55 | scan[ibook] | jimlay_: I don't have the URL handy on this machine, but try google.. read the DRI FAQ |
| 17:32:49 | scan[ibook] | we'd need a custom libGL for xfrank, probably customized for every GUI using xfrank |
| 17:33:11 | jimlay_ | yes, we'll have to use this. Or your saying that once you have an accelerated GL window, you no longer run through X, you make direct calls to the GL.so and then some voodoo magic happens with the kernel module. |
| 17:33:19 | jimlay_ | hmm.. |
| 17:33:26 | scan[ibook] | right, voodoo |
| 17:33:29 | jimlay_ | will lookin to this after reading his email. |
| 17:33:55 | scan[ibook] | the X server has to grant permissions to the DRI driver via a DRM module in the kernel, libGL links in the DRI module in the client's address space |
| 17:34:08 | scan[ibook] | but NVidia doesn't even do that, they have their own libGL |
| 17:34:12 | scan[ibook] | it's a mess... |
| 17:34:33 | scan[ibook] | there is a project to port DRI drivers directly to the framebuffer, but currently that only works on 64MB and 32MB Radeons |
| 17:35:07 | scan[ibook] | it also probably doesn't have the access control mechanisms you'd need to have multiple processes sharing the accelerator |
| 17:35:23 | scan[ibook] | X and DRI has a big locking mechanism so that apps and the X server can share the accelerator |
| 17:36:18 | jimlay_ | does libGL talk somekind of X? that allows it to talk to the X server to find out where it should put it's X windows? |
| 17:36:26 | scan[ibook] | yes |
| 17:36:40 | scan[ibook] | libGL also funnels OpenGL commands into glx if it can't load a DRI driver directly |
| 17:36:49 | jimlay_ | does it use xlib? or it's own implementation of the protocol? |
| 17:36:56 | scan[ibook] | I'm pretty sure it uses xlib |
| 17:37:19 | scan[ibook] | so it should be possible to make a fake xlib you could LD_PRELOAD into either X's libGL or NVidia's |
| 17:37:40 | scan[ibook] | that's crufty.. but might be the only way |
| 17:38:45 | jimlay_ | thinks that X is one big monstrously ugly hack, and wants to go use os X. |
| 17:40:50 | scan[ibook] | of course OS X is proprietary, so something like this wouldn't even be possible there... |
| 17:41:38 | jimlay_ | is ammazed that people like Kieth Packard don't kill X. People like him could murer X in 3 minutes with about 5 emails. Just brind down the whole X, and have a complete functional and kick ass replacement in 6 mo. |
| 17:41:58 | jimlay_ | ... and something like this wouldn't need to be done there. ;) |
| 17:42:02 | scan[ibook] | hehe |
| 17:43:26 | jimlay_ | but I don't get it. The guy works at HP labs, and spends his time hacking on X... it's like he likes it or something. |
| 17:43:44 | Xentac[work] | jimlay_: hehehe... maybe some people do ;o) |
| 17:43:53 | file[school] | hi all |
| 17:44:00 | Xentac[work] | hey file[school] |
| 17:44:15 | jimlay_ | but how can they miss the fact that it's a big hack? |
| 17:45:00 | Xentac[work] | jimlay_: they probably don't |
| 17:45:11 | file[school] | mmm' |
| 17:45:18 | file[school] | I switched to icecast for my streams |
| 17:45:21 | file[school] | or atleast I'm going to try it |
| 17:45:38 | jimlay_ | but if they know it's a hackball, why do they like it? |
| 17:45:41 | scan[ibook] | jimlay_: Keith Packard uses twm.. that's the first mark of insanity :) |
| 17:46:07 | Xentac[work] | jimlay_: because it is difficult to switch? |
| 17:46:44 | jimlay_ | I don't know anyone who would say.. I use program _x_ because it is a nice big hack, with horrible deisgn, overextended ness, and lots of voodoo mechanisims. |
| 17:47:07 | Xentac[work] | any windows user? |
| 17:47:12 | scan[ibook] | hehe |
| 17:47:16 | jimlay_ | Yes, it would take a decent amount of work to switch, but the guy has a crew to rival linus. |
| 17:47:38 | Xentac[work] | and you have to convince each of them |
| 17:47:55 | Xentac[work] | it's like trying to move a mountain... |
| 17:48:16 | scan[ibook] | hmm... I wonder what would happen if Linus said "Hey guys, I decided linux is getting too big for my tastes, let's all go write a microkernel!" |
| 17:48:25 | jimlay_ | And if he were working to make the best damn gui to be created as of yet with lots of modularity he'd esily have hundreds and hundreds of great developers begging to help. |
| 17:48:53 | scan[ibook] | jimlay_: that's kind of what Fresco is trying to do and they have like 3 people coding on it... |
| 17:48:56 | jimlay_ | what does linux do that a micro kernel doesn't? |
| 17:49:28 | jimlay_ | yeah.. they are usign corba, c++, ... (do you want me to continue?) |
| 17:49:35 | jimlay_ | you can |
| 17:49:48 | jimlay_ | 't do do that in the hacker community and have it fly. |
| 17:50:08 | scan[ibook] | can't use corba and c++? |
| 17:50:18 | scan[ibook] | lots of people like Qt, and it's all C++ |
| 17:50:25 | jimlay_ | Have you tried to pick through the Fresco code? |
| 17:50:30 | scan[ibook] | not yet |
| 17:50:49 | jimlay_ | they are using templates all over the place. |
| 17:50:56 | scan[ibook] | I couldn't imagine Fresco's guts being harder to understand than PicoGUI entrails... |
| 17:51:32 | jimlay_ | I don't know. I'm not a conosour of c++ code, but I do know c++ and their stuff didn't digest well. |
| 17:51:50 | Xentac[work] | goes for lunch now. |
| 17:51:52 | scan[ibook] | hehe |
| 17:51:56 | scan[ibook] | bye Xentac[work] |
| 17:52:50 | jimlay_ | And keith packard doesn't seem interested in killing X. They all seem to think that fixing it is the best option. |
| 17:53:01 | jimlay_ | s/fixing/"fixing" |
| 17:53:10 | scan[ibook] | hehe |
| 17:53:11 | scan[ibook] | yeah.. |
| 17:53:14 | scan[ibook] | it's a mess |
| 17:53:29 | jimlay_ | no, my room, is a mess. It's a war zone. |
| 17:54:12 | scan[ibook] | it's amazing how little documentation there is on X, given it's popularity... people shovel toolkits on top of X and use that, hiding from the war zone |
| 17:55:15 | jimlay_ | If only they had shoved them behind X, that may simply be the best way to fix X. |
| 17:55:33 | jimlay_ | I mean X is big, but it does """_work_""" |
| 17:56:16 | jimlay_ | .. but it's not modular that's not good. |
| 17:56:17 | scan[ibook] | maybe.. but X needs a real architecture first |
| 17:57:37 | jimlay_ | yeah, the way that they keep on going about extending X, the word extensions is quite right. (as opposed to moduls) because it's like a car with boxes stacked ontop of it... lot of boxes, and they keep wanting to drive faster ad faster.... |
| 17:58:01 | file[school] | icecast or Shoutcast... I do not know |
| 17:59:14 | jimlay_ | spaceballs is the starwars spoof right? |
| 17:59:19 | file[school] | yes |
| 18:20:58 | scan[ibook] | hi prpplague |
| 18:21:20 | prpplague | hello port-scan! |
| 18:22:07 | scan[ibook] | scans some ports |
| 18:30:00 | file[school] | hi prpplague |
| 18:40:01 | file | mmm |
| 18:46:34 | scanline | is back (gone 03:03:11) |
| 18:47:13 | file | good good scanline |
| 18:47:53 | scanline | is away: avoiding file |
| 18:48:00 | file | lol |
| 18:48:28 | scanline | ;) |
| 18:48:38 | file | what's up? |
| 18:48:46 | scanline | PicoBot: what's up? |
| 18:48:46 | PicoBot | rumour has it up is the direction opposite to the force of gravity |
| 18:48:56 | file | good good |
| 19:04:47 | prpplague | scanline: hey, you got a sec for a c question? |
| 19:05:03 | scanline | sure |
| 19:05:06 | Xentac[work] | hey guys... I just got my work term report response |
| 19:05:14 | Xentac[work] | and they liked it... I don't have to make any changes! |
| 19:05:16 | Xentac[work] | woohoo! |
| 19:05:20 | scanline | Xentac[work]: hehe.. cool |
| 19:05:52 | Xentac[work] | yeah, I'm extremely happy with that |
| 19:05:58 | Xentac[work] | my other 3, I've always had to make modifications |
| 19:06:23 | file | there's another File Radio tonight |
| 19:06:32 | file | it'll probably be better now that I'm getting more used to it |
| 19:06:41 | Xentac[work] | file: maybe I'll check it out... maybe not... after all... I much prefer Belt... |
| 19:06:41 | prpplague | scanline: is there a timeout flag for the read or fget functions? |
| 19:06:47 | Xentac[work] | file: what program do you use? |
| 19:06:47 | scanline | prpplague: no |
| 19:07:02 | scanline | prpplague: you have two good choices really... set an alarm or use select() |
| 19:07:48 | prpplague | scanline: ok, i get the idea, i'll have a look at those |
| 19:08:07 | prpplague | scanline: i've having some problems porting some legacy apps from sco |
| 19:08:33 | scanline | ah |
| 19:10:38 | prpplague | scanline: i've solved several problems by going into non_blocking mode but this last one is giving me a headache |
| 19:10:44 | file | Xentac: Shoutcast or Icecast... haven't decided |
| 19:11:01 | Xentac[work] | file: no no... I mean what program do you use to talk to your icecast server? |
| 19:11:13 | file | Xentac[work]: Winamp with the Shoutcast plugin |
| 19:11:26 | prpplague | scanline: so i should be able to set up an alarm right before i call my read for the specified time |
| 19:12:00 | file | Xentac[work]: it's pretty bad but I haven't found anything else |
| 19:12:12 | scanline | prpplague: yeah, then you'll get a SIGALRM |
| 19:12:21 | Xentac[work] | file: and that lets you talk as well? |
| 19:12:45 | file | Xentac[work]: I choose the input, be it winamp/microphone/line input |
| 19:12:51 | Xentac[work] | prpplague: I prefer the select method... wait till there's something there, then read it... (but that's just me) |
| 19:12:54 | Xentac[work] | file: ah, I see |
| 19:13:03 | Xentac[work] | uses muse in linux... it's really fairly neato |
| 19:13:29 | file | neat |
| 19:13:48 | prpplague | Xentac[work]: thats just it, if there isn't anything there for 2 minutes i need it to bail out |
| 19:15:06 | prpplague | Xentac[work]: that an i'm trying not to introduce MORE problems to a already nastly app |
| 19:15:35 | file | Xentac[work]: have any suggestions? |
| 19:16:41 | Xentac[work] | prpplague: ah, I hear ya |
| 19:16:46 | Xentac[work] | file: suggestions for what? |
| 19:18:16 | file | Xentac[work]: software |
| 19:18:44 | Xentac[work] | doesn't use windows. |
| 19:18:59 | file | ic |
| 19:21:39 | Xentac[work] | but if you're using linux... use muse... I haven't found anything better (and I have looked) |
| 19:24:00 | file | k |
| 19:38:47 | Xentac[work] | just noticed something... |
| 19:38:56 | Xentac[work] | I put the least amount of time into this work term than any other one... |
| 19:40:11 | Xentac[work] | er... work term report |
| 19:40:15 | Xentac[work] | and I did the best on it... |
| 19:40:20 | Xentac[work] | I guess that english class helped... |
| 20:02:46 | gonkulator{work} | PicoBot: seen dylan |
| 20:02:46 | PicoBot | dylan was last seen on #picogui 1 days, 18 hours, 3 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying: i wonder where the origin of 'oops' comes from [Tue Sep 17 21:05:47 2002] |
| 20:02:51 | gonkulator{work} | doh |
| 20:02:53 | gonkulator{work} | hmm... |
| 20:38:45 | DevGirl | hello! hello!!! |
| 20:39:21 | scanline | hi DevGirl |
| 20:49:29 | DevGirl | hi, scan ^^ |
| 20:49:32 | DevGirl | 'sup? |
| 20:50:16 | scanline | playing with camera motion smoothing in sdlgl |
| 21:33:17 | | carpman was last seen on #picogui 7 hours, 36 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying: is away: I'm busy [Thu Sep 19 14:56:48 2002] |
| 21:33:17 | merlin262 | PicoBot: seen carpman |
| 21:33:18 | PicoBot | carpman was last seen on #picogui 7 hours, 36 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: is away: I'm busy [Thu Sep 19 09:03:07 2002] |
| 21:46:09 | Xentac[work] | doh-th... my server died again |
| 21:46:20 | Xentac[work] | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 21:46:21 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 56 minutes and 4 seconds ago, saying: playing with camera motion smoothing in sdlgl [Thu Sep 19 15:56:36 2002] |
| 21:46:38 | Xentac[work] | I really need to get new hardware for it... |
| 21:46:44 | Xentac[work] | is almost sure it's the power supply |
| 21:50:51 | gonkulator{work} | hi scanline |
| 21:50:56 | scanline | hi |
| 21:51:03 | gonkulator{work} | scanline: thanks for the info on your motherboard |
| 21:51:07 | scanline | sure |
| 21:51:21 | gonkulator{work} | is going to search for a motherboard that supports < 1GB of memory and has SCSI |
| 21:51:31 | scanline | less than 1GB? |
| 21:51:36 | gonkulator{work} | er, oops |
| 21:51:38 | gonkulator{work} | > |
| 21:51:42 | gonkulator{work} | hit the wrong key |
| 21:51:44 | scanline | the one I have supports 4GB |
| 21:51:49 | gonkulator{work} | nifty |
| 21:51:54 | gonkulator{work} | but no scsi |
| 21:52:14 | scanline | you could get a 64-bit SCSI PCI card |
| 21:52:21 | gonkulator{work} | this is true |
| 21:52:27 | gonkulator{work} | is thinking about memory |
| 21:52:33 | gonkulator{work} | calls scanline a DIMM wit |
| 21:53:10 | gonkulator{work} | snickers madly and says "time to go home" |
| 21:54:05 | merlin262 | home at last |
| 21:54:08 | merlin262 | for 5 minutes. :( |
| 21:55:28 | Xentac[work] | needs some low end stuff to fix his server... |
| 21:55:53 | merlin262 | sends Xentac[work] a 286 w/ 4mb of ram |
| 21:55:55 | merlin262 | =D |
| 21:57:12 | gonkulator{work} | is away: home time |
| 21:57:37 | Xentac[work] | merlin262: don't laugh... my server used to by a 486 with an overdrive chip... making it at 66mhz... |
| 21:57:45 | Xentac[work] | and it had.... ummm... 16meg of ram |
| 21:58:09 | Xentac[work] | I've run an X terminal on a 486 with 4 meg of ram (I think... it might have had 8, but I doubt it) |
| 21:58:34 | merlin262 | giggles madly |
| 21:59:54 | merlin262 | i don't think modern 2.4 kernels will even boot w/ 4mb of ram |
| 22:00:13 | merlin262 | i seem to recall their being discussion on lkm about trying to boot on a 386 |
| 22:00:17 | merlin262 | and it not working.... |
| 22:00:49 | Xentac[work] | hehehe |
| 22:01:01 | Xentac[work] | was running 2.2 on there... it was Debian hamm |
| 22:01:01 | kergoth | try a zImage. bzImage takes up more ram |
| 22:01:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:01:24 | kergoth | course zImage has a size limitation, but just make everything modular |
| 22:01:24 | Xentac[work] | you know... I might still be able to get it boot up... |
| 22:03:07 | file | I need alternate nameservers |
| 22:03:09 | kergoth`right | hehehe |
| 22:03:23 | kergoth`right | file: why? |
| 22:03:39 | file | because my ISPs just went out for almost two hours |
| 22:05:01 | file | they are out again... |
| 22:05:02 | kergoth`right | file: how'd you get here then? |
| 22:05:14 | file | kergoth`right: they keep coming on/off |
| 22:05:19 | kergoth`right | file: ah, I see |
| 22:05:31 | kergoth`right | here are telus' |
| 22:05:33 | kergoth`right | 209.53.4.150 |
| 22:05:38 | kergoth`right | 209.53.4.130 |
| 22:05:55 | Xentac[work] | it feels so much better being me.. |
| 22:05:55 | file | can I use 'em? |
| 22:05:58 | Xentac[work] | try |
| 22:06:08 | file | it would require a restart |
| 22:06:28 | Xentac[work] | what? |
| 22:06:40 | Xentac[work] | do you have the nslookup program? |
| 22:07:19 | file | mmm |
| 22:07:25 | Xentac[work] | ah... maybe you can't... |
| 22:07:30 | Xentac[work] | just tried here and it didn't work |
| 22:07:40 | Xentac[work] | if you have the nslookup program you can check |
| 22:07:49 | Xentac[work] | do 'nslookup google.com 209.53.4.130' |
| 22:17:12 | file | dances |
| 22:17:18 | file | I'm busy streaming |
| 22:21:14 | Xentac[work] | time to go home |
| 22:21:30 | Xentac[work] | PicoBot: work? |
| 22:21:30 | PicoBot | i heard work was where you go to make money so that you can pay for all the things you need to work on picogui. |
| 22:21:39 | Xentac[work] | hehehe |
| 22:21:42 | Xentac[work] | PicoBot: work day? |
| 22:21:42 | PicoBot | i heard work day was almost over for me |
| 22:21:49 | DevGirl | heheheheeheh |
| 22:21:51 | Xentac[work] | PicoBot: forget work day |
| 22:21:51 | PicoBot | Xentac[work]: I forgot work day |
| 22:21:56 | Xentac[work] | PicoBot: work day is over for me |
| 22:21:57 | PicoBot | OK, Xentac[work]. |
| 22:22:15 | Xentac[work] | DevGirl: hey... Keyser[zzz] suggested I show you some of these pictures I took... |
| 22:22:17 | DevGirl | work day will never be over for PicoBot |
| 22:22:30 | Xentac[work] | DevGirl: http://xentac.net:8085/~jchu/moreme |
| 22:22:34 | DevGirl | pictures of what? |
| 22:22:42 | Xentac[work] | most of them aren't great... but a couple show nice definition... |
| 22:22:43 | Xentac[work] | well... |
| 22:22:44 | Xentac[work] | ummm... |
| 22:22:45 | Xentac[work] | uhhhh... |
| 22:22:48 | Xentac[work] | of me |
| 22:22:52 | DevGirl | ^^ |
| 22:23:22 | Xentac[work] | took them to show everyone his muscle definition... |
| 22:23:35 | DevGirl | what reminds me that I have to take pictures of my belly ^^ |
| 22:23:41 | fragglet | wtf |
| 22:23:50 | DevGirl | everyone wants to see how fat I am ^^ |
| 22:23:55 | Xentac[work] | :) |
| 22:24:00 | Xentac[work] | ah, I see |
| 22:24:00 | Xentac[work] | goes home now. |
| 22:25:33 | DevGirl | just can say that xentac has nice arms ^^ |
| 22:29:58 | file | what's the ip of irc-2.mit.edu? |
| 22:31:06 | file | haha |
| 22:31:55 | file | tell me!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:37:08 | file | darn it... can't use Telus |
| 22:37:11 | file | they restrict to Telus users only |
| 22:44:39 | file | http://156.34.186.180:8000/ |
| 23:01:12 | Xentac | returnth |
| 23:01:27 | file | k |
| 23:01:33 | file | Xentac: http://156.34.186.180:8000/ |
| 23:01:42 | Xentac | is this more file radio? |
| 23:01:46 | file | yes |
| 23:01:51 | file | somebody requested this song too... |
| 23:02:21 | Xentac | listens because he's a nice guy |
| 23:02:25 | Xentac | this doesn't sound like Belt... |
| 23:02:38 | Xentac | wonders what DevGirl said about his pictures, if she saw them... |
| 23:02:44 | file | well... you can DCC some over! |
| 23:03:04 | Xentac | ok |
| 23:03:06 | kergoth | Xentac: oh i took a look. not bad at all, you're in a lot better shape than I am, thats for sure |
| 23:03:16 | file[dcc] | GCC here |
| 23:03:17 | kergoth | Xentac: makes me want to stop slackin |
| 23:03:18 | file[dcc] | er DCC |
| 23:03:18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:03:20 | Xentac | kergoth: hehehe |
| 23:03:23 | kergoth | gcc file.c -o file |
| 23:03:26 | kergoth | ! |
| 23:03:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:04:28 | file[dcc] | oggs... I'll try |
| 23:04:38 | Xentac | what version of winamp do you have? |
| 23:04:48 | file | the last Winamp2 version |
| 23:04:48 | Xentac | the newest 2.whatever plays them... as well as 3 |
| 23:04:55 | file | I know |
| 23:04:58 | Xentac | alright... it'll play it |
| 23:04:58 | file | but I mean my stream |
| 23:05:07 | file | oh well I'll try! |
| 23:05:11 | Xentac | it should convert it to mp3 |
| 23:05:20 | Xentac | it has to, if it can take your voice... |
| 23:05:25 | file | lol |
| 23:05:41 | file | lol |
| 23:05:54 | file | I'm streaming audio to 6 people and downloading 3 songs |
| 23:06:04 | Xentac | better than dialup, no? |
| 23:06:16 | file[dcc] | quite right |
| 23:06:33 | Xentac | updates muse |
| 23:07:28 | Xentac | tries to find some good Belt songs to send file... |
| 23:08:36 | file[dcc] | mmm |
| 23:09:09 | file[dcc] | that's enough |
| 23:09:13 | file[dcc] | your upstream can't handle this... |
| 23:09:18 | Xentac | yeah, that's all I was going to send |
| 23:09:38 | Xentac | they're all good though |
| 23:09:46 | Xentac | needs a server somewhere with a big fat pipe |
| 23:09:56 | file | I'm doing quite fine on my PPPoE lol |
| 23:11:31 | Xentac | yeah... but you're also sending out at 24kbps |
| 23:11:36 | file | to 7 people |
| 23:11:42 | Xentac | this is like worse than radio quality... |
| 23:11:46 | file | that's atleast 168kbps |
| 23:12:14 | Xentac | that'd be maxing my connection, I believe |
| 23:12:52 | file | 8/24 now |
| 23:14:10 | file | lol |
| 23:14:14 | file | this song is interesting |
| 23:16:15 | Xentac | muse still doesn't like oggs much... |
| 23:16:32 | Xentac | file: play Belt next! |
| 23:16:41 | file | I am |
| 23:16:55 | Xentac | yay! |
| 23:17:04 | Xentac | boooo! |
| 23:17:09 | Xentac | booo! |
| 23:17:11 | file | lol |
| 23:17:13 | Xentac | get off the stage! |
| 23:17:18 | file | hahahahahaha |
| 23:17:20 | Xentac | play Belt! |
| 23:17:29 | Xentac | hey... this isn't Belt! |
| 23:17:34 | Xentac | turn it off! |
| 23:17:35 | Xentac | booo! |
| 23:17:40 | file | oh... sorry |
| 23:17:48 | file | you get the stream 30 seconds after... |
| 23:17:57 | Xentac | really? |
| 23:17:59 | file | I started the song before you said about Belt |
| 23:18:03 | file | yes |
| 23:18:10 | Xentac | right... I forgot about that |
| 23:18:30 | Xentac | Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt Belt |
| 23:18:32 | Xentac | chants. |
| 23:18:51 | file | soon, soon |
| 23:18:58 | Xentac | Sooner! |
| 23:19:04 | file | lol |
| 23:19:59 | file | another minute and a half or so |
| 23:20:16 | Xentac | sooner! |
| 23:20:19 | Xentac | fast forward! |
| 23:20:23 | file | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :p |
| 23:20:44 | Xentac | we want Belt |
| 23:20:47 | Xentac | we want Belt! |
| 23:20:48 | Xentac | we want Belt! |
| 23:21:03 | Xentac | wonders why no one else is chanting |
| 23:21:09 | Xentac | yay! two belts! |
| 23:22:21 | Xentac | Belt Belt Belt! |
| 23:22:37 | Xentac | (you might want to turn it down...) |
| 23:22:41 | file | wouldn't play |
| 23:22:45 | Xentac | what? |
| 23:22:47 | Xentac | horrible! |
| 23:22:54 | Xentac | is already converting them to mp3s... |
| 23:23:00 | Xentac | noooooooooooo! |
| 23:23:02 | file | LOL |
| 23:23:19 | Xentac | more Belt! |
| 23:23:28 | file | HAHA |
| 23:24:14 | file[dcc] | only this one! |
| 23:24:18 | Xentac | what?!? |
| 23:24:20 | Xentac | no!!!!!!! |
| 23:24:22 | file[dcc] | I refuse to play the rest till I hear this |
| 23:24:32 | Xentac | alright |
| 23:24:39 | Xentac | it starts out loud though... you might want to warn them |
| 23:24:45 | Xentac | (or turn it down a bit) |
| 23:24:57 | file[dcc] | haha |
| 23:25:04 | Xentac | seriously though |
| 23:25:07 | file | I know |
| 23:25:11 | file | I'll warn them |
| 23:25:14 | Xentac | that track... is like blank and then... bang! |
| 23:25:56 | Xentac | tell me when it's on and I'll switch back |
| 23:26:09 | file | k |
| 23:29:04 | file | oops |
| 23:30:09 | Xentac | woah... file played a song that had a swear in it! |
| 23:30:14 | file | yes |
| 23:30:33 | Xentac | is amazed! |
| 23:30:55 | Xentac | hey... that's another cool singer to play... |
| 23:31:03 | Xentac | needs to run another session of Xentac Radio |
| 23:32:05 | Xentac | hey! |
| 23:32:06 | Xentac | what about Belt?!? |
| 23:32:12 | Xentac | oh wait... |
| 23:32:15 | Xentac | it's not done yet... |
| 23:32:15 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 23:32:33 | file[dcc] | :) |
| 23:33:06 | Xentac | pokes scanline |
| 23:33:09 | Xentac | PicoBot: seen scanline? |
| 23:33:10 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 1 hours, 40 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: you could get a 64-bit SCSI PCI card [Thu Sep 19 16:58:34 2002] |
| 23:34:34 | Xentac | Belt Belt Belt! |
| 23:34:43 | file | is programming it in now |
| 23:34:48 | Xentac | next? |
| 23:34:51 | Xentac | it better be next |
| 23:34:59 | kergoth | belt? |
| 23:35:01 | kergoth | knows not belt |
| 23:35:06 | Xentac | otherwise when I make it to NB I'll go and kick your ass! |
| 23:35:08 | kergoth | who's belt? |
| 23:35:09 | file | 'fraid not :p |
| 23:35:21 | Xentac | kergoth: belt is my friend's band... they're really cool |
| 23:35:22 | file | Eminem is next, then Belt |
| 23:35:25 | Xentac | gah! |
| 23:35:29 | Xentac | eminem |
| 23:35:31 | Xentac | ewwww |
| 23:35:38 | file | I play what the people request |
| 23:35:49 | kergoth | Xentac: give me mp3s/oggs :) |
| 23:35:54 | kergoth | Xentac: gah giFT is dead tonight |
| 23:35:59 | kergoth | only 1.2TB |
| 23:36:07 | Xentac | kergoth: http://xentac.net:8085/~jchu/Belt |
| 23:36:09 | Xentac | kergoth: giFT? |
| 23:36:19 | kergoth | http://gift.sf.net |
| 23:36:22 | kergoth | giFT = nifty |
| 23:36:34 | kergoth | use it |
| 23:36:36 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:36:37 | file[dcc] | nameservers are still down darn it |
| 23:36:52 | Xentac | ah, I see... it's like jabber for file sharing... |
| 23:36:57 | KeyserSoze | xentac! |
| 23:37:03 | Xentac | KeyserSoze! |
| 23:37:12 | Xentac | what's up? |
| 23:37:18 | KeyserSoze | do you have that link to those half naked pictures you took of yourself? i told sophie I'd give it to her. |
| 23:37:24 | Xentac | sure |
| 23:37:29 | Xentac | http://xentac.net:8085/~jchu/moreme |
| 23:37:37 | kergoth | hey KeyserSoze |
| 23:37:38 | file | half naked? wtf? |
| 23:37:39 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 23:37:41 | KeyserSoze | I put hey, kergoth |
| 23:37:45 | KeyserSoze | pretty good. |
| 23:37:50 | KeyserSoze | ? |
| 23:38:06 | KeyserSoze | "I put" was supposed to be a different statement.... |
| 23:38:10 | Xentac | file: I took some pictures of my forearms and stuff... how much muscle development |
| 23:38:11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:38:21 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: you just got side tracked, right? |
| 23:38:32 | Xentac | file: tell me when Belt's on |
| 23:38:56 | KeyserSoze | i put my headers on today! |
| 23:39:01 | KeyserSoze | it took like 6 hours. |
| 23:39:04 | file | it's scheduled next |
| 23:39:05 | KeyserSoze | but it is done. |
| 23:39:06 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: cool... |
| 23:39:11 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 23:39:18 | KeyserSoze | gotta get my car dyno'd next week. |
| 23:39:30 | Xentac | most people work during the day... KeyserSoze works on his car... |
| 23:39:31 | file | Xentac: I'll make a big deal of it LOL |
| 23:39:38 | Xentac | alright! |
| 23:39:59 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: that's what everyone at the shop said. |
| 23:40:05 | KeyserSoze | "don't you work?" |
| 23:40:07 | KeyserSoze | :) |
| 23:40:31 | KeyserSoze | works when he feels like it. |
| 23:40:36 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: bastard |
| 23:40:41 | Xentac | kergoth: if you wouldn't mind not sharing those files around... I don't own the copyrights... and the only reason I'm letting you listen to them is because you're not likely to buy this cd... |
| 23:40:54 | kergoth | Xentac: gotcha. |
| 23:41:09 | kergoth | well, if i like it, and if they are selling them, i'll buy it |
| 23:41:13 | kergoth | I generally do |
| 23:41:24 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: Sophie says you are no Laetitia Casta. |
| 23:41:26 | Xentac | the problem is that you can't get them from anywhere but here ;o |
| 23:41:28 | Xentac | ;o) |
| 23:41:31 | Xentac | local band... |
| 23:41:33 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: damn! |
| 23:41:42 | Xentac | was trying... but will have to work on his pecs more, eh? |
| 23:43:20 | file | it's playing soon Xentac |
| 23:43:25 | Xentac | yay! |
| 23:43:41 | kergoth | Xentac: you have a slightly higher body-fat % than i did at my training peak, but far less than i have now |
| 23:43:44 | kergoth | isghs |
| 23:43:46 | kergoth | sighs too |
| 23:43:48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:44:09 | KeyserSoze | has you all beat for body fat. |
| 23:44:10 | Xentac | kergoth: yeah... I don't like the body fat... but... I've always had it... |
| 23:44:13 | Xentac | though now more than before... |
| 23:44:20 | kergoth | Xentac: well, you dont want to be skin & bones either |
| 23:44:23 | kergoth | Xentac: theres a balance to be had |
| 23:44:26 | KeyserSoze | I bet I've got twice as much body fat as both of you, put together. |
| 23:44:37 | kergoth | Xentac: as long as you're training hard, then who cares, you're doing what you can |
| 23:44:37 | Xentac | yeah... but it's the stomach fat I don't like |
| 23:44:39 | kergoth | Xentac: eh? |
| 23:44:40 | file | oh crap I forgot to warn them |
| 23:44:44 | kergoth | thats the hardest to get rid of |
| 23:44:48 | kergoth | especially the layer above the abs |
| 23:44:54 | kergoth | that hides the 6 pack |
| 23:45:02 | kergoth | particularly on the lowest quadrent |
| 23:45:08 | Xentac | yeah... that's the stuff I'm talking about... the stuff on the lower set of cans... ;o) |
| 23:45:08 | kergoth | the upper abs i find are easier to work |
| 23:45:09 | file | oh well... |
| 23:45:10 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:45:12 | file | it's not that bad |
| 23:45:18 | Xentac | nods. |
| 23:45:20 | kergoth | Xentac: crunches focus on the upper areas |
| 23:45:22 | kergoth | Xentac: unfortunately |
| 23:45:29 | kergoth | Xentac: and i find leg raises arent intense enough on the lower areas |
| 23:45:43 | kergoth | Xentac: if you find a good exercise for the lower abs, let me know, i've been searchign for years |
| 23:45:54 | Xentac | knows lots of excersizes... just not... the... ummm... |
| 23:46:05 | Xentac | uhh... work? |
| 23:46:18 | KeyserSoze | you don't need an ab exercise to make your stomach muscles show. |
| 23:46:23 | kergoth | has no idea what you're trying to get across there |
| 23:46:30 | file | is playing Belt |
| 23:46:33 | file | and they aren't that bad |
| 23:46:34 | KeyserSoze | because you cannot just remove fat in one spot. |
| 23:46:36 | Xentac | is listening |
| 23:46:37 | kergoth | ab exercise will strengthen to the muscles there enough to make them show partially through the layer of fat |
| 23:46:40 | kergoth | but it wont remove the fat |
| 23:46:44 | Xentac | file: they've opened for Nickelback, among others |
| 23:46:45 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: precisely |
| 23:46:45 | file | how is it? |
| 23:46:56 | KeyserSoze | has freaking abs of steel... underneath a half-inch of blubber. |
| 23:47:00 | file | nice |
| 23:47:09 | kergoth | one cant spot remove |
| 23:47:12 | kergoth | too damn bad too |
| 23:47:14 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:47:19 | KeyserSoze | liposuction! |
| 23:47:20 | Xentac | hehehe... lyposuction |
| 23:47:23 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:47:25 | kergoth | no thanks |
| 23:47:33 | KeyserSoze | i've seen it on tv. |
| 23:47:34 | kergoth | i'll use what i've got, thanks |
| 23:47:42 | KeyserSoze | i bet you can do it with a vacuum cleaner |
| 23:47:44 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:47:46 | KeyserSoze | and a straw |
| 23:48:10 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: yeah! |
| 23:48:27 | Xentac | or replace the vacuum cleaner with a hooker... |
| 23:48:36 | KeyserSoze | eewww! |
| 23:48:38 | Xentac | . o O (did I just say that out loud, or in my head?) |
| 23:48:44 | file | omg |
| 23:48:48 | Xentac | doh |
| 23:48:50 | Xentac | ;o) |
| 23:48:53 | KeyserSoze | there are better things for hookers to suck on. |
| 23:48:54 | kergoth | shudders |
| 23:48:59 | kergoth | goes back to coding |
| 23:49:06 | file | Xentac: they like it |
| 23:49:07 | Xentac | yay! I scared everyone away! |
| 23:49:15 | Xentac | file: who is they exactly? |
| 23:49:23 | file | Xentac: other listeners |
| 23:49:23 | KeyserSoze | i ought to do something constructive. |
| 23:49:30 | Xentac | where are they listening from? |
| 23:49:33 | KeyserSoze | like install Irix on my SGI indigo2 |
| 23:49:39 | Xentac | wonders if there's some sort of File's Radio forum... |
| 23:49:41 | KeyserSoze | or work on a picoGUI app. |
| 23:49:42 | file | itunes, xmms... Winamp |
| 23:49:48 | KeyserSoze | yeah, file. |
| 23:49:56 | KeyserSoze | start a channel for your radio station. |
| 23:50:04 | file | hehe |
| 23:50:10 | Xentac | wishes he had a Big Muff cd for you to play that! |
| 23:50:13 | Xentac | ah well... another time... |
| 23:50:17 | KeyserSoze | i'll hang out there, and ask for requests to be played. |
| 23:50:53 | KeyserSoze | i'm gonna wipe my hard disk, and install Gentoo linux. |
| 23:50:59 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: good luck |
| 23:51:03 | KeyserSoze | then I'll have PWM, just like I always wanted. |
| 23:51:10 | Xentac | be sure to follow the directions... |
| 23:51:16 | Xentac | and read it /all/ |
| 23:51:25 | KeyserSoze | is it tricy? |
| 23:51:32 | KeyserSoze | s/tricy/tricky |
| 23:51:33 | Xentac | it can be... |
| 23:51:43 | KeyserSoze | what about that Lindows I hear so much about? |
| 23:51:52 | KeyserSoze | is that a good distro for someone like me? |
| 23:51:53 | Xentac | much more than your precious Mandrake |
| 23:51:56 | Xentac | isn't sure |
| 23:52:03 | Xentac | define someone like you? |
| 23:52:26 | KeyserSoze | (that was a joke. Lindows is for idiots) |
| 23:52:29 | KeyserSoze | :) |
| 23:52:34 | Xentac | who has a computer with big fat pipes? |
| 23:52:42 | KeyserSoze | is too good to use Lindows!!!!!!! |
| 23:52:50 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: then you debian! |
| 23:52:51 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 23:53:08 | KeyserSoze | I know, I should use debian. I am a l33t h4x0r! |
| 23:54:18 | KeyserSoze | sadly, I am actually not l33t enough to use debian. |
| 23:54:24 | kergoth | anyone can use apt-get |
| 23:54:25 | KeyserSoze | but I am better than Lindows. |
| 23:54:26 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:54:30 | KeyserSoze | and better than redhat. |
| 23:54:39 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 23:54:40 | KeyserSoze | even a little too good for Mandrake... |
| 23:55:08 | Xentac | geez... only in the geek world is the statement, "I love latex", socially acceptable |
| 23:55:18 | KeyserSoze | NO IT IS NOT!!!! |
| 23:55:25 | KeyserSoze | latex is evil! |
| 23:55:25 | Xentac | PicoBot: latex? |
| 23:55:26 | PicoBot | i haven't a clue, xentac |
| 23:55:45 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: latex is like a word processor, only it sucks. a lot. |
| 23:55:45 | PicoBot | OK, KeyserSoze. |
| 23:55:51 | Xentac | bah! |
| 23:55:53 | Xentac | PicoBot: forget latex |
| 23:55:53 | PicoBot | Xentac: I forgot latex |
| 23:55:54 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: latex? |
| 23:55:55 | PicoBot | keysersoze: i don't know |
| 23:55:57 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: latex is like a word processor, only it sucks. a lot. |
| 23:55:57 | PicoBot | OK, KeyserSoze. |
| 23:55:58 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: latex? |
| 23:55:58 | PicoBot | latex is, like, like a word processor, only it sucks. a lot |
| 23:56:00 | Xentac | PicoBot: latex is an amazing typesetting language |
| 23:56:01 | PicoBot | ...but latex is like a word processor, only it sucks. a lot.... |
| 23:56:02 | Xentac | PicoBot: forget latex |
| 23:56:02 | PicoBot | Xentac: I forgot latex |
| 23:56:03 | Xentac | PicoBot: latex is an amazing typesetting language |
| 23:56:03 | PicoBot | OK, Xentac. |
| 23:56:26 | KeyserSoze | shrieks. |
| 23:56:28 | Xentac | wrote his work term report in latex |
| 23:56:37 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: have you ever used something called LSE? |
| 23:56:37 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: this is why you can never use Gentoo |
| 23:56:43 | Xentac | nope |
| 23:56:46 | KeyserSoze | good. |
| 23:56:52 | KeyserSoze | then I can still associate with you. |
| 23:56:59 | Xentac | what's LSE? |
| 23:57:13 | KeyserSoze | it's like an editor, except it runs on VAX/VMS, and sucks. |
| 23:57:18 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 23:57:20 | Xentac | I see... |
| 23:57:22 | KeyserSoze | it's almost as bad as Vi. |
| 23:57:27 | Xentac | uses vi. |
| 23:57:29 | Xentac | mwahahaha |
| 23:57:48 | KeyserSoze | there is no reason for anything to be as difficult as vi is. |
| 23:57:58 | Xentac | uses vi almost religiously |
| 23:58:02 | Xentac | loves it. |
| 23:58:05 | kergoth | mm vim |
| 23:58:11 | kergoth | and kvim and gvim too |
| 23:58:21 | kergoth | and even busybox vi, the poor wretch that it is |
| 23:58:26 | Xentac | more specifically vim... but it's rooted in vi |
| 23:58:31 | Xentac | kergoth: hehehe |
| 23:58:43 | Xentac | DevGirl: did you check out the pictures? |
| 23:58:49 | KeyserSoze | gvim is okay, and perhaps kvim is too. |
| 23:58:55 | DevGirl | yeah! nice arms ^^ |
| 23:58:57 | KeyserSoze | but straight up "vi" is LAME! |
| 23:59:01 | Xentac | woohoo! |
| 23:59:19 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: straight vi is nearly bottom of the barrel, in the whole vi spectrum |
| 23:59:22 | KeyserSoze | is Gentoo associated with latex in some way? |
| 23:59:23 | DevGirl | I'm glad you didn't take any photos of your armpits ^^ |
| 23:59:39 | Xentac | DevGirl: why? too much hair...? |
| 23:59:47 | KeyserSoze | DevGirl: he did, but those are on the pay portion of his site. |
| 23:59:49 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: no... but Gentoo is powerful like latex |
| 23:59:58 | Xentac | laughs because of KeyserSoze. |
