| 00:06:05 | carpman | *yawn* |
| 00:06:09 | carpman | PicoBot: seen merlin262? |
| 00:06:09 | PicoBot | merlin262 was last seen on #picogui 1 days, 2 hours, 25 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying: thinsk he might watch it [Sun Sep 29 16:47:36 2002] |
| 00:06:23 | carpman | hmm... Hope he turned in his Comp Org assignment. |
| 00:06:38 | carpman | This was the one I had done the second day of class. |
| 00:12:28 | file[laptop] | pokes anonymanemu |
| 00:14:00 | merlin262 | hey carpman |
| 00:14:10 | merlin262 | thinks he should probably start the hw today |
| 00:16:05 | lalo | my problem with pgres is writing a different version for each language (cli_*) |
| 00:16:32 | scanline | lalo: yeah.. not sure how else to do it.. you could write it in C and provide wrappers, but that's not good either |
| 00:17:01 | scanline | lalo: maybe a resource server? |
| 00:18:05 | lalo | I thought of it |
| 00:19:19 | lalo | then I went the next step and thought, why not just stick it in the pgserver? :-) |
| 00:19:36 | lalo | it wouldn't be easy to make it simple enough to easily implement in all target languages |
| 00:19:48 | scanline | because the resource server needs to be on the same filesystem as the client |
| 00:20:09 | scanline | you'd need one resource server running on each machine that has picogui clients on it |
| 00:20:48 | gonkulator | hi everyone |
| 00:20:59 | scanline | also, you don't want to have to go via pgserver to load resources that only the app itself will be using |
| 00:21:00 | scanline | hi gonkulator |
| 00:21:10 | Xentac[laptop] | hi gonkulator |
| 00:21:18 | gonkulator | hi Xentac[laptop] |
| 00:21:56 | scanline | lalo: you know... this pgres idea could be extended into a virtual filesystem type of idea if we wanted to do that |
| 00:22:01 | kergoth | re |
| 00:22:02 | kergoth | what a rfucking day |
| 00:22:04 | kergoth | jesus |
| 00:22:13 | Xentac[laptop] | kergoth: but you're home now... |
| 00:22:13 | scanline | lalo: identify normal files, web pages, app resources, all with URIs |
| 00:22:20 | scanline | kergoth: welcome back |
| 00:22:21 | kergoth | Xentac[laptop]: true that |
| 00:22:22 | kergoth | thanks |
| 00:22:26 | Xentac[laptop] | is away: watching a movie... |
| 00:22:48 | scanline | lalo: you could do something like resource:// at a web browser :) |
| 00:23:50 | scanline | for something like that you'd want a resource server running on the same machine as the client.. you could request resources from it, then it could respond by mapping the resource into shared memory |
| 00:23:56 | scanline | that would be complicated... |
| 00:24:44 | lalo | mumbles that he could implement this with a few lines of python but would be rather lost with C |
| 00:25:07 | scanline | hehe |
| 00:25:12 | scanline | C is like that... |
| 00:25:15 | fragglet | you can do shm in python? |
| 00:25:21 | scanline | fragglet: I think so |
| 00:25:36 | scanline | I know you can in perl, and I'm pretty sure I checked python too... |
| 00:25:38 | lalo | probably, but I wasn't refering to shm |
| 00:26:20 | lalo | parsing values is not as simple as it sounds ;-) |
| 00:26:55 | scanline | for the user preferences? |
| 00:27:05 | lalo | yes |
| 00:27:18 | scanline | we could use XML I suppose |
| 00:27:24 | kergoth | i hate text parsing in c. |
| 00:27:26 | kergoth | really do. |
| 00:27:39 | scanline | I don't like editing XML by hand though, it gets messy |
| 00:27:42 | lalo | parsing xml is even worse, and doesn't solve some of the worst problems |
| 00:27:52 | scanline | kergoth: C definitely wasn't designed with text parsing in mind ;) |
| 00:28:04 | lalo | like, config data should better have types |
| 00:28:19 | lalo | some things have to be numbers, some things have to be strings |
| 00:28:23 | scanline | yep |
| 00:28:28 | scanline | or enumerated types |
| 00:32:34 | lalo | reading the wikipage |
| 00:33:07 | lalo | I'm not sure I agree with all of it... IMO this stuff belongs in /usr/share, not in ELF segments |
| 00:33:25 | scanline | k |
| 00:33:41 | scanline | I just really like the self-contained way apps are packaged in MacOS X... |
| 00:34:06 | lalo | yup, but it is faked :-) |
| 00:34:13 | lalo | and you (technically) know that |
| 00:34:21 | scanline | right |
| 00:34:28 | scanline | they're just directories |
| 00:34:31 | scanline | but everything's in the same place |
| 00:34:52 | scanline | the only reason linux distros need package management is because most apps explode all over the filesystem |
| 00:35:22 | lalo | but this is a feature, not a bug |
| 00:35:37 | scanline | I suppose |
| 00:35:42 | scanline | but not a feature that I like :) |
| 00:35:56 | lalo | also, package management allow for dependency management which is good |
| 00:36:20 | scanline | true |
| 00:36:38 | scanline | so you think it would be better to just store resources in /usr/share/<app_name>? |
| 00:36:55 | lalo | "exploding" all over the place also has the plus that when you want a file you have a reasonable idea of where to look for it |
| 00:37:47 | lalo | well, I think physically storing the files (and retrieving them) should be modularized out in a file |
| 00:38:25 | lalo | so in an hypothetical Windows port it would instead look in "c:\Program Files\<app_name>" or somesuch |
| 00:38:35 | scanline | nods |
| 00:38:48 | scanline | hmm.. I wonder if there are already any projects trying to solve this problem |
| 00:38:53 | fragglet | c:\Program Files\PicoGUI |
| 00:39:30 | lalo | I was about to mention that :-) do we want to have everything under /usr/share/picogui/<app_name> instead? |
| 00:39:49 | lalo | scanline: probably, but I haven't heard of one that solves it to my liking yet |
| 00:39:49 | scanline | might make sense |
| 00:40:00 | scanline | nods |
| 00:40:22 | scanline | In the zaurus stuff I've been using /usr/share/picogui/apps/<app_name> |
| 00:40:34 | scanline | themes in /usr/share/picogui/themes/ |
| 00:41:04 | scanline | I still have system-level binaries like pgserver, tpcal, and pgl-toolbar in /usr/bin |
| 00:43:12 | lalo | websearching |
| 00:45:23 | file[laptop] | mIRC is very weird |
| 00:45:28 | file[laptop] | if I don't talk for so long, it kicks me off |
| 00:45:45 | kergoth | eh |
| 00:45:47 | kergoth | mIRC? |
| 00:45:49 | kergoth | get a real client :) |
| 00:46:03 | file[laptop] | hehe |
| 00:46:03 | scanline | get a real OS :) |
| 00:46:17 | file[laptop] | scanline: I do run Slackware on this too :p |
| 00:47:24 | scanline | you could ssh into that shell account you have and IRC from there |
| 00:47:37 | file[laptop] | it'll kick me off too |
| 00:47:41 | kergoth | cygwin + irssi |
| 00:47:42 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:47:42 | file[laptop] | if I'm idle for so long... |
| 00:47:51 | kergoth | file[laptop]: ? |
| 00:48:04 | file[laptop] | it's to do with my ADSL... |
| 00:48:06 | scanline | the kergoths are multiplying! |
| 00:48:08 | file[laptop] | it goes nuts |
| 00:48:12 | scanline | gives carpman a pgres poke |
| 00:48:27 | anonymanemu | i've got yahoo |
| 00:48:29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:48:29 | file[laptop] | trys to survive with the little warth he has |
| 00:48:37 | scanline | should do some homework while OZ compiles |
| 00:48:42 | file[laptop] | kergoth: a 2.1gb hardrive for Slackware and Windows NT doesn't leave much room |
| 00:48:50 | kergoth | scanline: building a picogui initrd? :) |
| 00:48:56 | kergoth | file[laptop]: true that |
| 00:49:29 | scanline | kergoth: yeah.. going to test things now that hardwire pushed my changes |
| 00:55:02 | gonkulator | is going to bed now |
| 00:55:04 | gonkulator | night everyone |
| 00:55:14 | file[laptop] | night |
| 01:01:36 | Xentac[laptop] | scanline: hey... wanna do my dad a favour? |
| 01:02:05 | scanline | what is it? |
| 01:02:31 | Xentac[laptop] | he wants to get the jc whitney US catalog... |
| 01:02:40 | scanline | what's that? |
| 01:03:00 | Xentac[laptop] | it's a motorcycle parts place |
| 01:03:22 | Xentac[laptop] | (all automotive stuff) |
| 01:03:37 | Xentac[laptop] | www.jcwhitney.com |
| 01:03:42 | file[laptop] | and snce he's in Canada he can't get it |
| 01:03:45 | Xentac[laptop] | he says you have to request one or whatever... |
| 01:03:56 | scanline | hmmkay |
| 01:03:58 | Xentac[laptop] | "Order Free catalogue" |
| 01:04:19 | file[laptop] | scanline: basically it gets sent to you, and you send it to him |
| 01:04:24 | scanline | yeah |
| 01:04:31 | file[laptop] | simple and good |
| 01:04:40 | scanline | but it will probably take forever for that to happen, because I'm really lazy about shipping stuff :P |
| 01:04:44 | Xentac[laptop] | we can order the stuff to be sent to canada |
| 01:04:54 | Xentac[laptop] | but can't get the damned catalogue |
| 01:05:16 | scanline | gonkulator is.. better at shipping! |
| 01:05:18 | file[laptop] | that makes little sense... oh well |
| 01:05:30 | file[laptop] | yes - gonkulator rocks at shipping |
| 01:05:39 | Xentac[laptop] | yeah... but I'm already asking him to do stuff for me ;o) |
| 01:05:52 | Xentac[laptop] | you just gotta mail this one... don't need like ups or anything |
| 01:06:03 | scanline | k |
| 01:06:15 | Xentac[laptop] | just a big-ish envelope and usps |
| 01:06:16 | scanline | which catalog do you want? |
| 01:06:44 | Xentac[laptop] | motorcycle one |
| 01:07:13 | Xentac[laptop] | doesn't matter what type of motorcycle you say it is... |
| 01:07:24 | file[laptop] | Kawaski Twin Vulcan!!! |
| 01:07:56 | scanline | ooh ooh, here's my chance to lie about my statistics! |
| 01:08:07 | Xentac[laptop] | hehehe |
| 01:08:21 | file[laptop] | lol |
| 01:09:20 | file[laptop] | Xentac[laptop]: you could always save that page locally, edit the dropdown, and pray that it's accepted |
| 01:09:23 | file[laptop] | :) |
| 01:09:39 | scanline | whee! my email address is MAILER-DAEMON@aol.com, my phone number is 239-469-3694, and I drive a 1928 BMW Z8! |
| 01:09:49 | file[laptop] | LOL |
| 01:09:56 | file[laptop] | can't stop laughing |
| 01:09:56 | Xentac[laptop] | file[laptop]: I don't believe they will ship the catalogue to canada... |
| 01:10:04 | file[laptop] | Xentac[laptop]: oh well |
| 01:10:27 | Xentac[laptop] | scanline: you got the motorcycle catalogue? |
| 01:10:36 | scanline | yes |
| 01:10:42 | Xentac[laptop] | sweet |
| 01:10:44 | Xentac[laptop] | thanks a lot |
| 01:10:58 | Xentac[laptop] | if you ever need anything from Canada... I'm your man ;o) |
| 01:11:15 | file[laptop] | sleepy time |
| 01:11:32 | file[laptop] | that's where I'm a real coder!!! |
| 01:11:42 | Xentac[laptop] | file[laptop]: hehehe |
| 01:14:52 | scanline | =) |
| 01:15:03 | scanline | Xentac[laptop]: canadian pepsi! :) |
| 01:15:08 | Xentac[laptop] | is still watching US Marshals |
| 01:15:17 | Xentac[laptop] | scanline: is there really a difference? or are you just making me buy pepsi? |
| 01:15:24 | scanline | making you buy pepsi :) |
| 01:15:37 | scanline | Canadian coke is neat... it's Classique! |
| 01:15:52 | Xentac[laptop] | hehehe |
| 01:16:45 | scanline | http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/classique/?topic_id=952%2C972 |
| 01:18:27 | Xentac[laptop] | I forgot about that... |
| 01:22:06 | merlin262 | this is serious |
| 01:22:08 | merlin262 | very very serious |
| 01:22:15 | merlin262 | I think I'm starting to like Emacs. :/ |
| 01:22:24 | Xentac[laptop] | merlin262: nooooooooooo |
| 01:23:02 | merlin262 | Xentac[laptop]: I know, it's evil |
| 01:23:07 | merlin262 | but somehow...... |
| 01:23:17 | merlin262 | wonders if Emacs has an IRC client. |
| 01:23:22 | scanline | yes |
| 01:23:27 | scanline | it's kinda unstable though... |
| 01:23:55 | merlin262 | actually, I'm just digging asm mode... |
| 01:24:36 | scanline | hehe, yeah |
| 01:24:42 | scanline | what flavor asm are you working on? |
| 01:25:36 | merlin262 | miops |
| 01:25:40 | merlin262 | er mips |
| 01:25:58 | scanline | ah |
| 01:26:04 | scanline | still haven't done that yet |
| 01:33:05 | merlin262 | altho, remembering the keybindings is a biatch... |
| 01:40:24 | scanline | hmm... anybody seen this yet? looks interesting: |
| 01:40:25 | scanline | http://pyui.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:49:16 | lalo | yes |
| 01:49:20 | lalo | it's sdl |
| 01:49:48 | scanline | says it has multiple rendering backends |
| 01:50:00 | scanline | OpenGL and such... |
| 01:56:10 | lalo | unless it changed a lot, it's sdl :-) |
| 01:57:02 | scanline | http://pyui.sourceforge.net/pyui.gif <-- looks like they restructured it a bit? |
| 02:06:21 | Xentac[laptop] | hmmm... there's a tire company thats called "IRC" |
| 02:06:36 | lalo | cool |
| 02:07:44 | lalo | historically it is an offspring of pygame (which is the python binding to sdl) |
| 02:08:23 | scanline | yep, I followed a link from pygame to pyui |
| 02:12:02 | Xentac[laptop] | wouldn't mind getting a woman who looked like Sharon Stone... |
| 02:12:56 | kergoth | Xentac: picky, are we? |
| 02:13:09 | Xentac[laptop] | kergoth: no, I said I wouldn't mind ;o) |
| 02:13:17 | kergoth | hah |
| 02:13:35 | kergoth | I need to get out and meet more people |
| 02:13:36 | Xentac[laptop] | is watching "The Quick and the Dead" |
| 02:13:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:14:30 | Xentac[laptop] | hehehe |
| 02:14:45 | Xentac[laptop] | I could totally see myself marrying a woman like her... |
| 02:14:54 | Xentac[laptop] | except I'd be incredibly jealous ;o) |
| 02:15:00 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:33:48 | Xentac[laptop] | my laptop's only got 10% battery |
| 02:34:53 | Xentac[laptop] | I'm going to run it down |
| 02:49:03 | Xentac[laptop] | 2.10... |
| 02:49:47 | Xentac[laptop] | 1.56... |
| 02:50:00 | Xentac[laptop] | 0.91 |
| 02:50:10 | Xentac[laptop] | will be dying very soon... |
| 02:50:11 | Xentac[laptop] | 0.03 |
| 02:50:15 | Xentac[laptop] | ta ta |
| 02:52:44 | Xentac[laptop] | 0.00 |
| 02:52:57 | Xentac[laptop] | hey... |
| 02:53:11 | scanline | "I'm not quite dead yet!" |
| 02:53:19 | scanline | why are you trying to run the battery down? |
| 02:53:20 | Xentac[laptop] | ;o) |
| 02:53:25 | Xentac[laptop] | why not? |
| 02:53:29 | Xentac[laptop] | for the hell of it... |
| 02:53:45 | Xentac[laptop] | because I didn't want to take it downstairs again and plug it int |
| 02:53:45 | Xentac[laptop] | er in |
| 02:53:51 | Xentac[laptop] | but I'll be lost any second now |
| 02:53:57 | Xentac[laptop] | so once I stop talking... then I'm gone ;o) |
| 02:59:44 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 02:59:47 | Xentac | it died |
| 02:59:49 | Xentac | 3 hours battery |
| 02:59:51 | Xentac | anyway.. back to the movie |
| 02:59:55 | Xentac | was just plugging it in |
| 04:13:22 | Xentac | returns from the movie now. |
| 04:36:54 | Xentac | scanline: you there? |
| 04:37:05 | scanline | maybe |
| 04:37:09 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 04:37:26 | Xentac | is looking at the distance he'll be riding if he goes from NS to BC... on his bike... |
| 04:38:22 | Xentac | it's some 3961.7 miles... (or around 6200 kms) |
| 04:38:34 | Xentac | this one online map says it |
| 04:38:38 | Xentac | it'll take me 57 hours... |
| 04:38:43 | Xentac | that's a lot of riding.. |
| 04:39:02 | Xentac | strangely... it puts me into parts of the US... on the eastern side |
| 04:39:09 | Xentac | but then it keeps me in Canada the rest of it |
| 04:39:47 | Xentac | if I went from Ottawa to Victoria it'd probably only be 2000ish miles |
| 04:42:36 | Xentac | that's a long way... don't you think...? |
| 04:54:30 | Xentac | is away: sleeping now... where I'm a real ballerina! |
| 04:54:55 | scanline | likes "Sleep, that's where I'm a vi king" better :P |
| 04:55:07 | Xentac | :P |
| 04:55:19 | Xentac | this is an inside joke... that nobody on here would get... so it's all good |
| 04:55:26 | Xentac | chortles to himself while he falls asleep. |
| 04:55:52 | scanline | chortle? |
| 04:55:56 | scanline | is that an inside word? |
| 13:30:13 | carpman | hi all |
| 13:35:54 | scanline | hi carpman |
| 13:36:30 | scanline | is doing strange things with picogui's theme language |
| 13:36:53 | carpman | I saw the jpeg listed in the topic. Is that a live screenshot? |
| 13:37:01 | scanline | no, that's gimped |
| 13:37:04 | carpman | ahh |
| 13:37:11 | scanline | but I have the real thing looking even better than the gimp job :) |
| 13:37:15 | carpman | hehe |
| 13:37:25 | scanline | still tweaking it... |
| 13:37:34 | scanline | but there are a few screenshots at http://handhelds.org/scap/ |
| 13:38:18 | scanline | and right now I'm writing the code for popup boxes... |
| 13:38:20 | carpman | OOO. I like this one! |
| 13:38:22 | carpman | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.19610.png |
| 13:38:27 | scanline | I found a really neat use for the backdrop property |
| 13:38:32 | scanline | hehe :) |
| 13:38:44 | scanline | it's a 320x320 jpeg, so it works nice in portrait or landscape |
| 13:41:10 | carpman | I'm going to make a vanilla C utility to connect to an AoF server, so you can store your non-system specific enviroment variables in AoF |
| 13:41:36 | scanline | hmm? for what? |
| 13:41:55 | carpman | I dunno, sounded cool. |
| 13:41:59 | scanline | :) |
| 13:42:27 | carpman | I can actually USE AoF right now, it turns out to be the easiest way to get stuff on/off my zaurus. |
| 13:42:41 | carpman | I just upload/download data from my server at work. |
| 13:42:45 | scanline | hehe |
| 13:43:37 | carpman | hehe, dosnt that say something about qtopiadesktop, being outdone in ease of use by a command line only alpha series data engine. |
| 13:44:14 | scanline | :) |
| 13:45:28 | scanline | w00t |
| 13:45:31 | scanline | this looks really cool |
| 13:45:36 | scanline | a few more tweaks... |
| 13:47:16 | carpman | did you see the slashdot post about the 3d lcd? |
| 13:47:26 | scanline | yeah, there have been a few of those |
| 13:47:37 | carpman | All I want for xmas is.... |
| 13:47:43 | scanline | hehe |
| 13:48:09 | carpman | gfx card makers are going to have to start making REAL 3d cards now |
| 13:49:03 | scanline | ok.. lemme see if this works on a real zaurus.. |
| 13:49:19 | scanline | er... sorta |
| 13:52:13 | Xentac | is back (gone 08:57:41) |
| 13:52:16 | Xentac | is away: working |
| 13:52:51 | scanline | ok... |
| 13:52:51 | scanline | here's dialogdemo: |
| 13:52:51 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.29832.png |
| 13:52:57 | scanline | then when you open a dialog: |
| 13:53:00 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.29921.png |
| 13:53:09 | fragglet | hmm |
| 13:53:17 | fragglet | is this a new picogui theme or something |
| 13:53:18 | scanline | the blurring would look better, but I had pgserver compiled with the "extra fast extra low quality" blur |
| 13:53:21 | scanline | fragglet: yep |
| 13:53:27 | fragglet | nice |
| 13:53:30 | scanline | thanks |
| 13:53:41 | scanline | I got inspired... something that often happens when I should be doing homework ;) |
| 13:53:57 | fragglet | i know that feeling |
| 13:54:03 | scanline | The fancy popup titlebar is a really weird trick in the theme.. but it works |
| 13:54:10 | carpman | ppp |
| 13:54:13 | carpman | cool |
| 13:54:29 | scanline | I made the titlebar widget transparent and drew the alpha-blended bar as part of the popup's backdrop |
| 13:54:58 | scanline | lemme take a screenshot of what it looks like on my desktop with not-so-bad blurring... |
| 13:55:53 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/fluidity_popup.png |
| 13:56:10 | scanline | when I feel like recompiling pgserver, I'll see whether the higher quality blurring is fast enough on the zaurus |
| 14:11:58 | scanline | is away: breakfast! for great justice! |
| 14:17:58 | carpman | hi gonkulator |
| 14:18:08 | gonkulator | hey carpman |
| 14:18:21 | gonkulator | has to go to work now |
| 14:18:26 | gonkulator | unfortunately... |
| 14:18:31 | gonkulator | but I'll see you there |
| 14:18:33 | carpman | k |
| 14:19:00 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 14:19:00 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 7 minutes and 1 seconds ago, saying: is away: breakfast! for great justice! [Tue Oct 1 09:18:29 2002] |
| 14:19:08 | gonkulator | scanline: this is an important message |
| 14:19:20 | gonkulator | scanline: in my posession right now is the mouse labled with an Omega |
| 14:19:29 | gonkulator | scanline: I will bring it up with me on friday |
| 14:19:43 | gonkulator | scanline: as I think it is belong to you |
| 14:29:28 | scanline | is back (gone 00:17:27) |
| 14:29:47 | scanline | gonkulator: cool |
| 14:30:50 | carpman | morning lalo |
| 14:30:54 | lalo | hey carpman |
| 14:31:01 | lalo | 'morning scanline |
| 14:31:06 | lalo | hi gonkulator |
| 14:31:18 | carpman | has a sudden craving for Nirvana |
| 14:31:20 | scanline | hi lalo |
| 14:31:27 | lalo | carpman: meditate a lot. |
| 14:31:33 | scanline | hehe |
| 14:31:51 | carpman | wrong one :) |
| 14:32:00 | carpman | ahh, love gnutella |
| 14:33:27 | lalo | what silliness overtakes the human being, that when a mailing list is created, at least half of its founders must send "testing" messages? |
| 14:33:44 | scanline | haha, which mailing list? |
| 14:35:25 | lalo | we (company) create a private staff mailing list |
| 14:35:49 | scanline | ah |
| 14:35:50 | carpman | mailing lists are examples of how stupid people can be. |
| 14:36:04 | carpman | flames, 3mb sigs, etc |
| 14:36:17 | scanline | replying to digests :) |
| 14:36:31 | carpman | shudders. |
| 14:36:43 | carpman | I downloaded that on my zaurus, btw :) |
| 14:37:43 | scanline | heh.. ironic to be talking about mailing lists now, I just finished clearing out my mailbox of subscription reminders, and moderation queue messages for pgui-devel and pgui-commits |
| 14:38:10 | carpman | ooo, I had an idea |
| 14:38:12 | scanline | lalo: oh yeah.. my VR3 arrived yesterday, I should be able to pick it up today when the mail room opens |
| 14:38:33 | carpman | I can store my mp3s on an AoF server, and have the server stream the mp3s back to me. |
| 14:38:42 | carpman | Better than nfs mounting them |
| 14:39:01 | carpman | I could listen to my music anywhere I have a sufficiently large connection |
| 14:39:18 | scanline | does AoF do streaming? |
| 14:39:27 | carpman | scanline: I can write an object to do it easily enough |
| 14:39:43 | carpman | right now the primary method of comminicating with AoF is XML-RPC |
| 14:42:43 | carpman | it wouldn't be hard to get the player to stip off the XML, and just play the data, so really I wouldn't need a seperate object |
| 14:44:00 | lalo | integrate pgboard in picopim??? why, oh gods????? |
| 14:44:05 | lalo | gives up on picopim |
| 14:44:37 | scanline | I'm really not sure what he means by "integrate".. I just got annoyed since he can't seem to use the mailing list correctly |
| 14:44:49 | scanline | the address he sends from isn't subscribed |
| 14:44:57 | lalo | scanline: did you fix findwidget? I can make a release in your honour :-) |
| 14:45:18 | scanline | lalo: yep, fixed findwidget pretty much right after you told me it was broke :) |
| 14:45:25 | lalo | and wp_password? |
| 14:45:44 | scanline | wp_password not yet.. there are still some big bugs in the field/textbox widget.. |
| 14:45:55 | lalo | ok :-) |
| 14:45:55 | scanline | I've been keeping the bug tracker on sourceforge up to date |
| 14:46:21 | scanline | hmm.. I should take a shower |
| 14:46:24 | scanline | bbiab |
| 14:46:25 | lalo | you could perhaps give wp_password a temporary fix by making it "unixlike" (e.g. invisible)? |
| 14:47:05 | scanline | lalo: maybe.. it's not hard to implement, the password stuff is actually handled during the font rendering (or at least it was in the old field widget). the more pressing problem is the cursor and PG_WP_TEXT bugs |
| 14:47:15 | scanline | so you wouldn't be able to get any text out of the password box anyway ;) |
| 14:47:19 | scanline | be back soon |
| 14:47:35 | lalo | oh. :-) |
| 14:49:35 | scanline | oh, shower's being cleaned now |
| 14:49:38 | scanline | so I'll do that later |
| 14:52:44 | scanline | oh, I suppose I should put the newer picture up.. |
| 14:53:49 | hikke | Cool :) |
| 14:54:27 | carpman | wow, gnutella is working well today |
| 14:55:22 | scanline | :) |
| 14:55:56 | scanline | hikke: it's still an experimental theme now, but "Fluidity" may become the default theme for picogui on high-color QVGA devices like the Zaurus and iPaq |
| 14:56:07 | scanline | s/default/preferred/ |
| 14:56:16 | hikke | yup |
| 14:56:59 | lalo | starts to ponder a "fluidity-grayscale" :-P |
| 14:57:12 | lalo | that's the original theme we needed |
| 14:57:17 | lalo | to give pgui a face |
| 14:58:28 | scanline | :) |
| 14:59:33 | scanline | tries running it in 16 grays |
| 15:00:16 | scanline | hmm.. not that bad |
| 15:01:32 | scanline | not enough contrast though |
| 15:07:05 | lalo | Error on mobile.ths:81: parse error at "string.pguierrdlg" |
| 15:07:08 | lalo | huh? |
| 15:08:08 | scanline | oh... that doesn't exist any more |
| 15:08:40 | lalo | and classique has "too many errors" |
| 15:09:10 | scanline | fixed mobile.ths in CVS |
| 15:09:14 | scanline | classique works for me |
| 15:12:51 | lalo | really? hmm |
| 15:18:50 | scanline | ok.. really taking a shower now :) |
| 15:22:00 | gonkulator{work} | and back |
| 15:22:25 | gonkulator{work} | pulled a prank that backfired pretty bad |
| 15:22:29 | gonkulator{work} | it is all better now |
| 15:23:06 | lalo | what classique is having a problem with here is scroll.h |
| 15:23:56 | lalo | perhaps I must update and recompile something? pgserver? cli_c? |
| 15:27:12 | carpman | hi gonkulator{work} |
| 15:27:16 | lalo | compiles cli_c before pgserver and realizes how much that is stupid |
| 15:27:17 | gonkulator{work} | hi carpman |
| 15:27:29 | gonkulator{work} | carpman: whats up? |
| 15:27:38 | carpman | gonkulator{work}: not much |
| 15:32:40 | lalo | prepares to set scanline on fire |
| 15:33:40 | carpman | do not burn the scanline :) |
| 15:34:16 | lalo | actually, he is already on #agenda, so I wouldn't even be able to avoided it if I wanted :-) |
| 15:39:59 | scanline | returns |
| 15:40:22 | scanline | oh no.. why am I going to be set on fire? |
| 15:40:25 | scanline | themec broke? :) |
| 15:41:01 | lalo | no |
| 15:41:06 | lalo | read #agenda |
| 15:41:15 | scanline | lalo: hmm.. if people like the fluidity theme, I could make versions of it for the desktop, OpenGL, and grayscale too :) |
| 15:41:36 | scanline | hmm.. 320x320? |
| 15:41:56 | lalo | if I know someone who can successfully replace the vr3 lcd with a (color|better_res) one, it is you - but that would be bad because it would detract you from pgui ;-) |
| 15:42:02 | scanline | hehe |
| 15:42:23 | scanline | yaknow.. I could try transplanting the LCD from my old zaurus (with a broken touchscreen) to the VR3 ;) |
| 15:42:35 | scanline | it would suck way too much power though |
| 15:42:47 | scanline | I'm looking forward to a PDA that has something resembling a decent battery life |
| 15:44:03 | lalo | I was discussing just that in a meeting earlier... how much computers are hindered today by batteries |
| 15:44:12 | carpman | my Z has decent battery life |
| 15:44:15 | scanline | PicoBot: fluidity is an experimental theme scanline got inspired to start after staying up all nite, in CVS under extra_themes/fluidity, or with a screenshot at http://picogui.org/download/fluidity_popup.png |
| 15:44:16 | PicoBot | OK, scanline. |
| 15:44:21 | lalo | the world needs less computer scientists and electronic engineers and more chemical engineers |
| 15:44:29 | scanline | PicoBot: fluidity =~ s/nite/night/ |
| 15:44:29 | PicoBot | OK, scanline |
| 15:44:59 | lalo | classique still borking here :-( parse error at "scroll.h" |
| 15:45:05 | scanline | hmm... |
| 15:45:16 | scanline | let me try recompiling my themec |
| 15:45:49 | scanline | compiles fine |
| 15:46:00 | lalo | funny |
| 15:46:00 | carpman | hehe. A micro fuel cell would be cool tho |
| 15:46:14 | scanline | lalo: wait... where is scroll.h coming from? :-/ |
| 15:46:18 | scanline | there is no scroll.h |
| 15:47:32 | lalo | hmm? |
| 15:48:18 | lalo | CVS/Entries:/classique.ths/1.3/Tue Oct 1 16:11:28 2002// |
| 15:48:31 | lalo | Compiling classique.ths -> classique.th |
| 15:48:32 | lalo | Error on classique.ths:338: parse error at "scroll.h" |
| 15:48:48 | scanline | ohh.... |
| 15:48:58 | scanline | was confused and thought scroll.h was a header file |
| 15:49:05 | lalo | :-D |
| 15:49:07 | scanline | not horizontal scroll :) |
| 15:49:09 | carpman | hehe |
| 15:49:34 | scanline | that's a new object I added to support horizontal scrollbars, recompile themec with new pgserver headers |
| 15:51:57 | lalo | but I just did that |
| 15:52:04 | lalo | does it again |
| 15:52:07 | scanline | hmm... |
| 15:52:37 | scanline | try a "make clean" first? I'm not sure if the dependencies on that makefile are right |
| 15:52:50 | lalo | *sigh* |
| 15:52:54 | lalo | now it worked. |
| 15:52:57 | lalo | sorry :-) |
| 15:53:04 | scanline | hey, no problem :) |
| 15:53:05 | scanline | glad it worked |
| 16:00:33 | lalo | yup, fluidity looks good |
| 16:00:57 | lalo | quite a few things borked still :-) but this at least is in a language I can help fixing |
| 16:01:07 | carpman | did you turn off blur for fluidity on the VR3? |
| 16:01:22 | lalo | I haven't tried it on the vr3 yet |
| 16:01:28 | carpman | ah |
| 16:01:30 | scanline | lalo: :) |
| 16:01:47 | scanline | the contrast on buttons and dialogs was pretty bad in 16 grays |
| 16:02:07 | scanline | I'd suggest the 16-grays version use outlines for the buttons and borders rather than solid colors or gradients |
| 16:03:46 | gonkulator{work} | is away: class time |
| 16:03:55 | scanline | lalo: the system I use to slice'n'dice in fluidity could be made a lot nicer if the fillstyle language supported calling other fillstyles |
| 16:03:55 | gonkulator{work} | scanline: did you get my message about omega's mouse? |
| 16:04:00 | scanline | gonkulator{work}: yes |
| 16:04:04 | gonkulator{work} | ok, later everyone |
| 16:04:11 | lalo | how do I make pgserver run on grayscale on X again? |
| 16:04:30 | scanline | lalo: something like "-m 160x240x4" on the command line |
| 16:04:58 | lalo | that works |
| 16:05:04 | lalo | and the buttons look good enough for me |
| 16:05:09 | scanline | lalo: or read skins/vr3.conf, it uses a different method that does grayscale without actually using a low-color mode |
| 16:05:40 | lalo | np, the vr3 is really x4 (that's 16 tones of gray, right?) |
| 16:05:47 | scanline | yep |
| 16:15:15 | lalo | on the skin it looks great, perhaps a bit dark |
| 16:15:22 | lalo | syncs the th to the actual vr3 to check |
| 16:16:39 | scanline | that's be a pleasant surprise :) |
| 16:21:53 | lalo | almost usable |
| 16:22:06 | lalo | the panelbar buttons don't have enough contrast |
| 16:22:21 | lalo | neither has the selection (for ListItem/MenuItem) |
| 16:22:28 | lalo | and everything is too big :-) |
| 16:22:30 | scanline | there is no selection yet? |
| 16:23:14 | lalo | that would explain it :-D |
| 16:23:24 | scanline | hehe |
| 16:23:28 | lalo | ok, have to go out - stomach is making strange noises |
| 16:23:29 | scanline | lots of stuff isn't implemented |
| 16:23:34 | scanline | should do homework |
| 16:23:37 | scanline | lalo: see ya |
| 16:23:41 | lalo | cya |
| 16:26:25 | gonkulator{argh} | yay for internet in boring classes |
| 16:26:44 | scanline | hi gonkulator{argh} |
| 16:26:49 | gonkulator{argh} | hi scanline |
| 16:26:55 | scanline | PicoBot: tell gonkulator{argh} about fluidity |
| 16:27:16 | gonkulator{argh} | looks |
| 16:27:28 | gonkulator{argh} | PicoBot: tell scanline about ramens |
| 16:27:28 | PicoBot | gonkulator{argh}: sorry... |
| 16:27:32 | gonkulator{argh} | PicoBot: tell scanline about ramen |
| 16:27:43 | scanline | I like that entry |
| 16:27:57 | gonkulator{argh} | yeah, it was mine :) |
| 16:28:02 | scanline | yep |
| 16:28:39 | carpman | PicoBot: ramen? |
| 16:28:40 | PicoBot | somebody said ramen was the food of the geeks, forever nourishing late night hack sessions and adding salt to the sugar of Pepsi. |
| 16:29:13 | fragglet | PicoBot: yes |
| 16:29:13 | PicoBot | fragglet: what? |
| 16:29:29 | carpman | PicoBot: no |
| 16:29:29 | PicoBot | NOOOOO! |
| 16:29:39 | carpman | PicoBot: what? |
| 16:29:40 | PicoBot | i haven't a clue, carpman |
| 16:29:40 | gonkulator{argh} | fragglet: insult PicoBot |
| 16:29:51 | fragglet | /bin/sh: line 1: ./insult.pl: No such file or directory |
| 16:29:53 | fragglet | bah |
| 16:30:00 | carpman | PicoBot: insult file |
| 16:30:02 | PicoBot | file is nothing but a fool-born half-mouthful of festering jizzum. |
| 16:30:10 | fragglet | picobot is a hatbag |
| 16:30:16 | fragglet | picobot is a hatgoat |
| 16:30:17 | fragglet | picobot is a turdfairy |
| 16:30:56 | carpman | fragglet: don't let DevGirl hear you call PicoBot that :) |
| 16:31:44 | fragglet | picobot: clownjockey |
| 16:31:44 | PicoBot | fragglet: i'm not following you... |
| 16:39:47 | gonkulator{argh} | this computer is so old school |
| 16:40:19 | gonkulator{argh} | yeah |
| 16:40:32 | gonkulator{argh} | it is kinda old and beat up |
| 16:43:32 | gonkulator{argh} | hates OS 9 more than he does Java |
| 16:44:35 | scanline | hehe |
| 16:44:51 | gonkulator{argh} | so... are we going to play tag on friday? |
| 16:45:00 | scanline | I suppose |
| 16:45:03 | gonkulator{argh} | needs to talk with probe |
| 16:45:11 | scanline | I thought you were going to be busy friday? |
| 16:45:13 | gonkulator{argh} | cause he is comming too |
| 16:45:15 | scanline | ooh.. it'd be cool if he could come |
| 16:45:18 | scanline | :D |
| 16:45:19 | scanline | yay! |
| 16:45:27 | gonkulator{argh} | yeah, I was, but I cancled my activity |
| 16:45:33 | scanline | oh |
| 16:45:37 | scanline | what activity was it? |
| 16:45:43 | gonkulator{argh} | I was going to fly to New Mexico |
| 16:45:48 | scanline | oh yeah |
| 16:45:53 | gonkulator{argh} | with an old friend of mine |
| 16:45:57 | gonkulator{argh} | puts it up on the wiki |
| 16:46:00 | scanline | not Chris Trott? |
| 16:46:10 | gonkulator{argh} | no, I am not going to fly with him again |
| 16:46:14 | scanline | nods |
| 16:46:25 | gonkulator{argh} | life is short enough as it is |
| 16:46:45 | gonkulator{argh} | I don't want to be there when he kills himself |
| 16:47:45 | gonkulator{argh} | which is probably going to happen in the next few years |
| 16:48:11 | scanline | heh.. you'd think he would learn to be more careful |
| 16:48:25 | gonkulator{argh} | yeah |
| 16:48:43 | scanline | has one more homework question to answer, then he plans on getting some rest |
| 16:48:44 | gonkulator{argh} | every time he screws up, he is to embarrased to actually learn anything from it |
| 16:48:49 | gonkulator{argh} | ah |
| 16:48:52 | gonkulator{argh} | later scanline |
| 16:49:02 | gonkulator{argh} | or, soon to be later |
| 16:49:05 | scanline | I'll need rest to do my operating systems homework, study for a probability midterm, and fix picogui bugs... |
| 16:49:07 | gonkulator{argh} | as ever the case may be |
| 16:49:15 | gonkulator{argh} | yay for fixing bugs |
| 16:49:15 | scanline | relatively soon |
| 16:50:39 | scanline | ok |
| 16:50:41 | scanline | bye for now |
| 16:50:44 | gonkulator{argh} | later scanline |
| 16:51:15 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzzz.... |
| 16:51:23 | gonkulator{argh} | hhehehehe, "short nap" |
| 17:21:08 | gonkulator{argh} | doesn't like OS 9 at all |
| 17:35:06 | gonkulator{argh} | PicoBot: seen DevGirl |
| 17:35:06 | PicoBot | DevGirl was last seen on #picogui 17 hours, 48 minutes and 45 seconds ago, saying: reverse psychology? [Mon Sep 30 18:52:51 2002] |
| 17:37:07 | gonkulator{argh} | PicoBot: class? |
| 17:37:08 | PicoBot | class is over... no wait, its still going, no wait it _is_ over... I think or an excuse to sleep |
| 17:46:06 | file | I think my ADSL got fixed |
| 18:14:57 | file | yup - my ADSL is fixed |
| 18:15:06 | file | I just downloaded a 3.10mb file in 24 seconds |
| 18:17:52 | file | wb prpplague |
| 18:25:02 | gonkulator{work} | hey DevGirl |
| 19:17:14 | bzdoug | ibot part #bzflag |
| 20:00:49 | captain_proton | is gonna hang out here to bug scanline |
| 20:03:36 | lalo | he went to sleep a bit more than an hour ago, so he won't be here soon |
| 20:03:41 | lalo | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 20:03:41 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 3 hours, 12 minutes and 26 seconds ago, saying: is away: ZzZzZzzz.... [Tue Oct 1 11:57:46 2002] |
| 20:04:02 | lalo | make it three hours :-) I misread the clock |
| 20:04:10 | gonkulator{work} | lalo: doesn't mean muhc |
| 20:04:12 | gonkulator{work} | er, much |
| 20:04:12 | lalo | I think *I* need sleep |
| 20:04:33 | gonkulator{work} | lalo: scanline normally sleeps for 12+ hours, which is why he calls it a "short nap" |
| 20:04:57 | gonkulator{work} | is DevGirl asleep? |
| 20:05:13 | file | gonkulator{work}: my ADSL is fixed!!! |
| 20:05:18 | gonkulator{work} | file: cool |
| 20:05:30 | gonkulator{work} | my ADSL has been working longer than yours :) |
| 20:05:34 | file | hehe |
| 20:05:40 | file | what's your download speed in kilobytes? |
| 20:05:41 | lalo | DevGirl is here |
| 20:05:45 | lalo | pokes DevGirl |
| 20:06:25 | gonkulator{work} | no worries |
| 20:06:41 | gonkulator{work} | lalo: I need to get back to work here in a minute anyway |
| 20:08:30 | file[outside] | ahhh it's nice out |
| 20:08:50 | file[outside] | very nice |
| 20:09:01 | file[outside] | my LCD needs cleaning |
| 20:26:37 | file[livingroom] | where's anonyman... |
| 20:42:45 | gonkulator{work} | hey darth_balls |
| 20:43:08 | darth_balls | hola! |
| 20:43:39 | gonkulator{work} | has a shitload of compaq laptop RAM |
| 20:44:32 | gonkulator{work} | PicoBot: 16*32 |
| 20:44:33 | PicoBot | 512 |
| 20:44:42 | file | oh my |
| 20:44:48 | gonkulator{work} | has a half a gigabyte of compaq laptop RAM |
| 20:46:51 | gonkulator{work} | throws file a small goat |
| 20:47:10 | gonkulator{work} | throws darth_balls at file |
| 20:47:38 | darth_balls | ack! |
| 20:47:43 | kergoth` | sacrifice's file's small goat to make this build |
| 21:08:25 | file | was away |
| 21:08:30 | file | repair guy for furnace came |
| 22:01:22 | gonkulator{work} | is off going home now |
| 22:01:29 | gonkulator{work} | is away: home going now I am |
| 22:09:48 | darth_balls | hey everyone |
| 22:10:15 | file | hi |
| 22:10:16 | file | streams |
| 22:11:33 | darth_balls | reads about the history of film |
| 22:16:12 | darth_balls | wow, this is scary |
| 22:21:17 | darth_balls{WC} | well, I be going now |
| 22:21:19 | darth_balls{WC} | c u all later |
| 22:26:08 | carpman | hi all |
| 22:26:12 | carpman | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 22:26:12 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 5 hours, 34 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: is away: ZzZzZzzz.... [Tue Oct 1 11:57:46 2002] |
| 22:26:22 | carpman | PicoBot: short nap? |
| 22:26:23 | PicoBot | carpman: i don't know |
| 22:26:53 | carpman | PicoBot: short nap is when scanline sleeps for > 10ee5 hours. |
| 22:26:53 | PicoBot | OK, carpman. |
| 22:26:58 | carpman | PicoBot: short nap |
| 22:26:59 | PicoBot | short nap is when scanline sleeps for > 10ee5 hours. |
| 22:27:13 | carpman | err, rather |
| 22:27:17 | carpman | PicoBot: forget short nap |
| 22:27:17 | PicoBot | carpman: I forgot short nap |
| 22:27:23 | carpman | PicoBot: short nap is when scanline sleeps for > 1ee6 hours. |
| 22:27:23 | PicoBot | OK, carpman. |
| 22:28:01 | trippy | > 1000000 *hours*? |
| 22:28:16 | carpman | trippy: hehe. Its a scanline trademark short nap |
| 22:28:41 | trippy | jeez, I thought I was a sleepy head |
| 22:29:41 | file | File Radio: http://stream.file-radio.com:8000/ |
| 22:29:42 | file | smiles |
| 22:29:51 | trippy | bitrate? |
| 22:29:54 | carpman | file: but WOPN is up |
| 22:30:06 | carpman | oooo.. machine supremacy! |
| 22:30:08 | file | oh well! |
| 22:31:17 | carpman | I love this song. I need to burn it for the drive to school tommorow |
| 22:31:20 | trippy | nice 24kbps goodness |
| 22:32:02 | trippy | although my link is still too slow for it |
| 22:33:21 | trippy | hmmm... no I think it is the transatlantic issue maybe :) |
| 22:33:36 | trippy | I think I'd be better getting out the win95 cd :) |
| 22:33:59 | file | lol |
| 22:34:15 | trippy | you streaming mp3? |
| 22:34:47 | trippy | why not ogg? |
| 22:37:51 | trippy | or vorbis technically |
| 22:38:31 | file | tried |
| 22:38:32 | file | didn't work |
| 22:38:41 | trippy | so much better at low bitrates |
| 22:38:58 | trippy | It needs a little persuasion that it is capable of 22khz though :) |
| 22:39:25 | file | I couldn't get past the setting screen |
| 22:39:29 | file | it kept beeping and wouldn't let me out |
| 22:48:41 | carpman | hail kergoth |
| 22:48:54 | file | I'm playing Barbie Girl in German right now :) |
| 22:49:01 | kergoth | hey |
| 22:51:05 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: seen gonkulator? |
| 22:51:06 | PicoBot | gonkulator was last seen on #picogui 8 hours, 31 minutes and 23 seconds ago, saying: scanline: as I think it is belong to you [Tue Oct 1 09:26:13 2002] |
| 22:51:20 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: seen gonkulator{work}? |
| 22:51:21 | PicoBot | gonkulator{work} was last seen on #picogui 49 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying: is away: home going now I am [Tue Oct 1 17:08:00 2002] |
| 22:51:21 | trippy | file: setting screen? what are you using? |
| 22:52:06 | file | trippy: huh? |
| 22:52:12 | file | I'm using Shoutcast to stream |
| 22:54:09 | trippy | file: ah. you're on windows, aren't you? |
| 22:54:15 | file | yes |
| 22:54:42 | trippy | oh well. can't give any ideas then. Don't use that anymore :p |
| 22:54:45 | Xentac | is back (gone 09:02:29) |
| 22:54:56 | file | haha |
| 22:55:01 | file | wb Xentac! |
| 22:55:04 | file | Xentac: switch? |
| 22:55:07 | Xentac | file: thanks |
| 22:55:10 | Xentac | nah |
| 22:55:12 | Xentac | decided not to get it |
| 22:55:14 | file | bah |
| 22:55:14 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 22:55:24 | KeyserSoze | not to get a switch? |
| 22:55:28 | Xentac | I've justified that by saving for a bike.. |
| 22:55:32 | KeyserSoze | *loves* switches! |
| 22:55:34 | Xentac | the problem is that I have a long time to save... |
| 22:55:43 | file | needs a hub or switch |
| 22:55:49 | KeyserSoze | bike=motorbike? |
| 22:55:55 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: correct |
| 22:56:08 | Xentac | will be in Ottawa when he's looking for one... and hopefully he'll have some decent money saved up. |
| 22:56:18 | file | Xentac: come visit me in Moncton! |
| 22:56:20 | KeyserSoze | whatcha gonna get? |
| 22:56:32 | file | it's a few provinces away, but what the heck? :p |
| 22:56:35 | Xentac | wants to get a V-Star |
| 22:56:47 | Xentac | file: I might actually... I have to go to Halifax... now... are you closer or farther than that? |
| 22:56:59 | file | Xentac: if you go to Halifax, you'll probably go through Moncton |
| 22:57:02 | Xentac | file: it'd only be for like a day... or just a drive by |
| 22:57:23 | file | well - you'll be on the highway that goes right beside it, you just go off by the airport and head into downtown |
| 22:57:33 | KeyserSoze | v star a pretty big bike? |
| 22:57:39 | Xentac | ah... so Halifax and Moncton are pretty close then? |
| 22:57:47 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: well... I'm hoping for a 600... |
| 22:57:51 | Xentac | so.. not too big... |
| 22:57:51 | file | Xentac: ...4 hours apart with driving? |
| 22:57:53 | Xentac | looks for a picture |
| 22:57:57 | file | probably less |
| 22:58:00 | Xentac | file: oh, ok... then I'll probably stop by |
| 22:58:05 | file | neat'o |
| 22:58:10 | file | when's this? |
| 22:58:13 | KeyserSoze | ah, I thought they were only like 1100's, or something. |
| 22:58:17 | Xentac | next summer ;o) |
| 22:58:17 | file | k |
| 22:58:20 | Xentac | no... that's the Goldwing... |
| 22:58:55 | Xentac | http://www.hilleryamaha.com/used/usedmotorcycle/2002vstar/2002vstar.html <--- this is a 1100 |
| 23:00:51 | file | Xentac: you might enjoy Moncton... if that's possible |
| 23:01:03 | Xentac | hehehe... I don't know if I'll be there long enough ;o) |
| 23:01:10 | Xentac | my time will be pretty tight... |
| 23:01:15 | file | an hour? |
| 23:01:26 | Xentac | it's about 6200 kms from Halifax to Victoria |
| 23:01:42 | Xentac | if I ride 300 kms a day it'll take me 20 days... that's more or less too long |
| 23:01:49 | file | lol |
| 23:02:00 | file | ride 900kms! |
| 23:02:11 | Xentac | gah |
| 23:02:16 | Xentac | that's like 9 hour days |
| 23:02:22 | Xentac | 9+ hours... |
| 23:02:23 | file | so? |
| 23:02:23 | Xentac | ugh |
| 23:02:28 | Xentac | that's a long time to ride |
| 23:02:31 | Xentac | here... do this.. |
| 23:02:35 | Xentac | sit on your bike... |
| 23:02:37 | file | my parents did it... |
| 23:02:43 | Xentac | now... bounce up and down a little bit... |
| 23:02:50 | Xentac | and get some high powered fans to blow at you |
| 23:02:54 | Xentac | now do that for 9 hours |
| 23:03:20 | file | my parents did a fairey(?) run... an entire day |
| 23:03:27 | Xentac | it can be done |
| 23:03:34 | Xentac | I could ride 9 hour days the whole way |
| 23:03:37 | Xentac | but it wouldn't be fun |
| 23:03:38 | file | left at 8am, got back 9pm |
| 23:03:49 | file | yeah - they didn't like it lol |
| 23:03:52 | file | too cold |
| 23:04:07 | KeyserSoze | wonders what the best motherboard is... |
| 23:04:18 | file | KeyserSoze: a working one |
| 23:04:29 | Xentac | small picture... but http://www.bethanyrv.com/images/motorcycle/cruiser/02vsclsilv_blu_3-01.jpg |
| 23:04:34 | KeyserSoze | well I've got a working one. I want the *best* one. |
| 23:04:35 | Xentac | that's a 600 |
| 23:04:46 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: best is a relative term |
| 23:04:55 | file | :) |
| 23:04:56 | KeyserSoze | are you gonna get one with a windshield? |
| 23:04:58 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: and... to file... anything that works is the best ;o) |
| 23:05:03 | Xentac | most likely it'll have a windshield |
| 23:05:07 | file | yup |
| 23:05:09 | file | like aramius |
| 23:05:15 | file | it may not be the latest, or fastest, but it works |
| 23:05:18 | file | so it's the best for me! |
| 23:05:19 | Xentac | must less wind |
| 23:05:30 | file | Note to mention it's encoding/decoding File Radio |
| 23:05:35 | file | er Not to |
| 23:05:45 | KeyserSoze | looks like an oldman bike. :) |
| 23:06:18 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: hehehe... it's a cruiser... very comfortable for long trips |
| 23:06:26 | Xentac | looks much like a harley... |
| 23:06:33 | KeyserSoze | http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/categories.asp?lid=2&lc=mcy |
| 23:06:34 | file | harleys are overrated |
| 23:06:37 | Xentac | here's a good picture |
| 23:06:43 | Xentac | http://www.rivayamaha.com/New%20Yamahas/vs65_slvr.jpg |
| 23:06:44 | KeyserSoze | looks better without the windshield :p |
| 23:06:56 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 23:07:07 | Xentac | well... it's sort of something I'd have to make the choice on before I went |
| 23:07:16 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: does "better" actually mean "faster"? |
| 23:07:17 | KeyserSoze | don't get two-tone. all black will look badass. |
| 23:07:26 | Xentac | notes it probably won't be new... |
| 23:07:34 | Xentac | unless it's like old stock... a 2000 or something |
| 23:07:40 | Xentac | but even then... ex-pen-sive |
| 23:07:43 | file | KeyserSoze: with a leather suit and bandanna... biker... |
| 23:07:44 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: yes. i could have said "what's the fastest motherboard, that works stabally" |
| 23:07:58 | file | frowns |
| 23:08:24 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: I meant about the bike... you said it looked better without the windshield |
| 23:08:49 | Xentac | but thats what I want |
| 23:09:02 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: then in that case, it just looks better, without faster being a consideration. |
| 23:09:02 | Xentac | now... I wouldn't complain if it was something similar to that... but that's my ultimate goal... a vstar |
| 23:09:07 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: alrighty then |
| 23:09:33 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: how about a yamaha gsxr? :) |
| 23:09:49 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: that'd be some speed bike, wouldn't it? |
| 23:09:55 | KeyserSoze | yup. |
| 23:10:06 | Xentac | the silverado is the one I'd really like... with the passenger bar (sissy bar) and saddle bags |
| 23:10:36 | KeyserSoze | lol. I don't know if your old enough for that. I think you need to show your AARP card to get one. |
| 23:10:45 | Xentac | :P |
| 23:10:47 | KeyserSoze | okay, "AARP" is a bad joke to tell canadians... |
| 23:10:52 | Xentac | AARP? |
| 23:10:58 | Xentac | it's probably like CAA Plus |
| 23:11:19 | KeyserSoze | American Assoc. of Retired Persons. |
| 23:11:20 | file | LOL |
| 23:11:25 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 23:11:31 | Xentac | except that CAA Plus actually exists |
| 23:11:32 | file | CARP! |
| 23:11:40 | file | lol |
| 23:11:45 | file | Canadian Assoc. of Retired Persons. |
| 23:11:47 | file | CARP!!!!!! |
| 23:12:11 | Xentac | then there's the FJR... |
| 23:12:14 | Xentac | that one looks cool |
| 23:12:17 | KeyserSoze | CAA = Canadian Aviation Assoc? |
| 23:12:22 | Xentac | it's a sport touring |
| 23:12:30 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: Canadian Automotive Association |
| 23:15:37 | Xentac | http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1384186346 <-- this is something else I want to get |
| 23:16:33 | KeyserSoze | goes to watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer... |
| 23:16:38 | KeyserSoze | see y'all later. |
| 23:16:54 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: is that a motorcycle-specific radio? |
| 23:17:01 | KeyserSoze | or just a general radio>? |
| 23:17:09 | Xentac | its a walkie-talkie sort of thing... |
| 23:17:23 | KeyserSoze | for bikes, or a non-bike specific one? |
| 23:17:23 | Xentac | with cell phone, music (radio, etc), and passenger connections |
| 23:17:34 | KeyserSoze | ooh, cool. |
| 23:17:38 | Xentac | this one is mostly bikes |
| 23:17:41 | Xentac | but they're expensive |
| 23:17:44 | anonyman | oh |
| 23:17:49 | Xentac | and not /as/ useful with only one person having one |
| 23:17:54 | KeyserSoze | neat that it integrates all that crap. does it run linux? |
| 23:18:14 | Xentac | sadly, it does not run linux |
| 23:31:01 | Xentac | http://www.baucomm.com/vrcc/trips/laughlin/lrr02_10d.htm <--- I could get one of these... |
| 23:37:57 | Xentac | http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/bikereviews.asp?ID=52 <-- who else thinks this bike looks sort of... ugly? |
| 23:40:23 | Xentac | http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/fullsize.asp?image=side%5Fhouse%2Ejpg <-- that one looks nice... though very similar to the other one I was looking at... |
| 23:40:46 | KeyserSoze | gak! that thing is awful. |
| 23:40:55 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 23:41:19 | Xentac | wasn't sure if KeyserSoze was still here... |
| 23:41:29 | file | looks at his download speed |
| 23:41:29 | Xentac | http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/fullsize.asp?image=ACF82F%2Ejpg what about that one? |
| 23:41:34 | file | 130 kilobytes per second |
| 23:41:37 | KeyserSoze | i was watching B the V S, but there's a commercial break. |
| 23:41:41 | file | wonders if he reconnected if it would be faster |
| 23:41:57 | KeyserSoze | speaking of which, the original B the VS (Kristy Swanson) is in this month's Playboy. |
| 23:42:06 | Xentac | really...? |
| 23:42:14 | KeyserSoze | is starting to sound like a Buffy stalker... |
| 23:42:16 | Xentac | ponders buying playboy this month... |
| 23:42:26 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: which one looked ugly...? the BMW or the Honda? |
| 23:42:47 | KeyserSoze | the BMW. |
| 23:43:04 | Xentac | yeah, it was pretty scary |
| 23:43:43 | file | hey prpplague |
| 23:43:45 | Xentac | sorry... not the Honda... it was an American... the bike's a Victory... it's an American Victory... |
| 23:46:09 | Xentac | hey gonkulator |
| 23:46:11 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen DevGirl |
| 23:46:11 | PicoBot | DevGirl was last seen on #openzaurus 4 hours, 17 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Tue Oct 1 14:34:44 2002] |
| 23:46:21 | gonkulator | hey Xentac |
| 23:46:24 | Xentac | gonkulator did you call that place about the thing yet? |
| 23:46:38 | gonkulator | Xentac: I just got home |
| 23:46:44 | Xentac | wanna call them now? |
| 23:46:45 | Xentac | ;o) |
| 23:46:47 | gonkulator | if they are still open, all I need is the number |
| 23:46:54 | Xentac | it should be in your email |
| 23:46:56 | gonkulator | I will call them now, that way I have you with me |
| 23:47:03 | Xentac | alrighty |
| 23:47:27 | gonkulator | bah |
| 23:47:33 | gonkulator | the internet is slow |
| 23:47:43 | Xentac | hehehe.. don't crash it! |
| 23:48:27 | gonkulator | calling |
| 23:49:16 | gonkulator | ok, they are quite closed |
| 23:49:24 | Xentac | alrighty... |
| 23:49:28 | Xentac | know when they'll be open? |
| 23:49:42 | gonkulator | Xentac: their hours are 8:00 AM to 3:00 PM monday through friday (pacific time) |
| 23:49:49 | file | waves to gonkulator |
| 23:49:50 | Xentac | damn... |
| 23:49:56 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen carpman |
| 23:49:56 | PicoBot | carpman was last seen on #picogui 1 hours, 1 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying: hail kergoth [Tue Oct 1 17:55:12 2002] |
| 23:49:57 | gonkulator | hi file |
| 23:50:35 | file | wazzup? |
| 23:52:38 | gonkulator | just chillin |
| 23:52:42 | gonkulator | I need to go to the bathroom though |
| 23:52:48 | Xentac | is looking at possible bikes to buy |
| 23:52:48 | gonkulator | so I'll be back in a bit |
| 23:53:01 | scanline | is back (gone 07:01:46) |
| 23:53:12 | gonkulator | Xentac: I thought that after getting your nifty new Sony laptop, you wouldn't have the funds for another bike |
| 23:53:16 | gonkulator | wb scanline |
| 23:53:31 | Xentac | gonkulator: well.. this is planning for next summer |
| 23:53:32 | scanline | hiya |
| 23:53:36 | Xentac | hey scanline |
| 23:53:37 | gonkulator | Xentac: oooooh |
| 23:53:48 | Xentac | for the whole cross canada trip |
| 23:54:04 | gonkulator | scanline: I am starting to get excited about this friday... I didn't realize how much I missed coming up to Boulder |
| 23:54:16 | scanline | :) |
| 23:54:21 | scanline | I got my VR3 in just now |
| 23:54:25 | gonkulator | oooh |
| 23:54:26 | gonkulator | cool |
| 23:54:29 | Xentac | cool scanline |
| 23:54:29 | gonkulator | can't wait to see it |
| 23:54:31 | file | is happy for scanline |
| 23:54:35 | scanline | this is a spiffy PDA |
| 23:54:37 | gonkulator | cheers |
| 23:54:38 | file | have you started it yet? |
| 23:54:47 | gonkulator | needs to call ben |
| 23:54:47 | Xentac | scanline: not as good as the zaurus though... right...? ;o) |
| 23:54:59 | Xentac | http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/fullsize.asp?image=calllihills%2Dpose2%2Ejpg <-- what about a bike like that? |
| 23:55:13 | scanline | Well, it's hard to compete for coolness with a PDA that has a 200mhz CPU and a full color display... |
| 23:55:21 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 23:56:16 | scanline | but relatively, it's a lot more cool than the helio ;)_ |
| 23:56:16 | gonkulator | what CPU does the VR3 have? |
| 23:56:19 | scanline | err, ;) |
| 23:56:24 | gonkulator | damnit!!! |
| 23:56:24 | scanline | gonkulator: 75mHz MIPS |
| 23:56:25 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 23:56:28 | gonkulator | all I have is a helio |
| 23:56:48 | gonkulator | :) |
| 23:56:49 | scanline | well, the LCD is bigger than the helio's, and it runs linux a lot better |
| 23:56:53 | Xentac | gonkulator: don't feel bad |
| 23:58:26 | Xentac | gonkulator: you have something scanline doesn't have... |
| 23:58:31 | gonkulator | an iPod? |
| 23:58:36 | Xentac | well... that too... |
| 23:58:49 | gonkulator | what are you refering to? |
| 23:59:06 | scanline | you can't run linux on a girlfriend ;) |
| 23:59:17 | gonkulator | oh, and that is probably going to change |
| 23:59:25 | gonkulator | might be breaking up with her tonight |
| 23:59:35 | Xentac | scanline: true enough... except that... well... many other things can "run on" them... |
| 23:59:57 | Xentac | what the hell? there's a ninja sport touring bike? |
