| 00:00.54 | foonix | KeyserSoze: hah, nahh. the guy went so far as to ask for software recommendations... he figured some piece of open source software might help him |
| 00:00.57 | foonix | manage his move better |
| 00:01.02 | foonix | what an idiot... |
| 00:01.38 | KeyserSoze | foonix: I'm not an idiot, I was kidding about the network connection helping him move stuff. |
| 00:02.06 | foonix | KeyserSoze: i was talking about the slashdot poster of course :) |
| 00:02.08 | laodamas | Just fax him some paper:) |
| 00:02.26 | lurgyman | or some furniture :p |
| 00:02.40 | foonix | KeyserSoze: the guy wanted opinions on how to put his stuff in a box... |
| 00:02.58 | KeyserSoze | cat /dev/stuff >> /dev/box |
| 00:03.08 | lurgyman | close /dev/box |
| 00:03.14 | KeyserSoze | or dd if=/dev/stuff of=/dev/box |
| 00:03.27 | lurgyman | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/box |
| 00:03.32 | laodamas | dont forget to compress! |
| 00:03.39 | DevGirl[out] | oh, boy... |
| 00:03.51 | DevGirl[out] | everyday i'm more afraid of ppl |
| 00:04.12 | lurgyman | cat /dev/urandom | tar -cjf /dev/box - |
| 00:04.24 | DevGirl[out] | how can be a IDIOT like that call himself a geek? |
| 00:04.35 | foonix | heh |
| 00:04.39 | DevGirl[out] | You must be at least INTELLIGENT to be a geek!!!! |
| 00:04.50 | KeyserSoze | DevGirl[out]: I'm not an idiot! I was kidding about the network thing! |
| 00:05.08 | DevGirl[out] | KeyserSoze: I'm talking about the slashdot idiot :D |
| 00:05.14 | lalo[out] | KeyserSoze: nobody is referring to you |
| 00:05.46 | DevGirl[out] | KeyserSoze: you know, If there aren't Sophie and Lalo, I would love you :D |
| 00:05.52 | DevGirl[out] | weren't |
| 00:05.54 | KeyserSoze | lalo[out]: I know, but I feel so lonely sometimes, I make believe people are talking about me. |
| 00:05.59 | DevGirl[out] | :D |
| 00:06.04 | lalo[out] | oh. |
| 00:06.12 | KeyserSoze | :D |
| 00:06.22 | laodamas | Nothing is more pathetic and annoying than a nerd wannabe |
| 00:06.38 | DevGirl[out] | laodamas: true |
| 00:06.42 | lalo[out] | woot, swing |
| 00:06.53 | DevGirl[out] | ^^ |
| 00:06.55 | KeyserSoze | laodamas: I'm not a nerd wannabe! I am in the middle of writing a picoGUI app, plus I have linux on my home machines! |
| 00:06.59 | DevGirl[out] | I saw that coming :D |
| 00:07.31 | DevGirl[out] | laodamas: why do ppl thing that to be a nerd (or geek) you have to be pathetic??? |
| 00:07.38 | DevGirl[out] | laodamas: or ugly? |
| 00:07.48 | KeyserSoze | DevGirl[out]: ever seen a nerd? |
| 00:07.58 | laodamas | That was not ment to be a swing at anyone here. (When I insult it is usually more direct) |
| 00:08.17 | laodamas | DevGirl[out]: Hollywood |
| 00:08.23 | DevGirl[out] | KeyserSoze: lots of them :) |
| 00:08.37 | DevGirl[out] | KeyserSoze: in fact, i fell in love with some of them... |
| 00:08.41 | DevGirl[out] | *sighs* |
| 00:08.52 | DevGirl[out] | one of them was REALLY cute :) |
| 00:09.34 | lurgyman | damn, no stuffed iguana |
| 00:09.42 | DevGirl[out] | :) |
| 00:10.00 | lurgyman | it will have to be a metaphorical stuffed iguana |
| 00:10.08 | lurgyman | whee! |
| 00:10.35 | lurgyman | now we can play star trak |
| 00:11.15 | DevGirl[out] | brings |
| 00:11.20 | DevGirl[out] | Wanna play! wanna play! |
| 00:11.26 | DevGirl[out] | I'm the captain!!!! |
| 00:11.35 | DevGirl[out] | wheeeeeeeeeee! |
| 00:11.39 | captain_proton | i think its painfully obvious who is the captain around here |
| 00:12.10 | laodamas | But you don't talk like Shatner |
| 00:12.13 | lurgyman | i get to be geordi and mccoy and expendable extras 54 through 6166631 |
| 00:12.17 | captain_proton | yes. i. DO! |
| 00:12.18 | DevGirl[out] | I'M THE CAPTAIN, I SAY! |
| 00:12.27 | DevGirl[out] | ohhhhhhh |
| 00:12.30 | lurgyman | what manner of conversation is this? |
| 00:12.39 | DevGirl[out] | captain_proton talks like shatner!!!! |
| 00:12.50 | DevGirl[out] | captain_proton: do you look like shatner? |
| 00:12.59 | captain_proton | DevGirl[out]: afraid not |
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| 00:13.56 | KeyserSoze | who is going to be 7 of 9, and who is going to be T'Pal? can't play star trek without them... |
| 00:13.56 | DevGirl[out] | captain_proton: and act like him? |
| 00:13.57 | lurgyman | 7KHANN!!!!!!!!!111 |
| 00:14.21 | DevGirl[out] | woot! |
| 00:14.40 | DevGirl[out] | woot! |
| 00:14.50 | DevGirl[out] | mhawuahwuaw |
| 00:15.25 | lurgyman | => snoopy is an engineer |
| 00:15.33 | lurgyman | Q.E.D |
| 00:15.33 | laodamas | It is a cellular peptide cake... with mint frosting! |
| 00:15.38 | lurgyman | my favorite! |
| 00:16.04 | KeyserSoze | lurgyman: no, actuall I picture all dancing as the snoopy dance, when it is done in the IRC. |
| 00:16.21 | lurgyman | oh |
| 00:16.26 | lurgyman | then snoopy isn't an engineer/ |
| 00:16.32 | KeyserSoze | well, he could be |
| 00:16.34 | lurgyman | storytime! |
| 00:16.46 | KeyserSoze | you can't tell if he is an engineer, based only on the information given |
| 00:17.02 | DevGirl[out] | KeyserSoze: in one scene, spock should kick some enemy asses using martial arts |
| 00:17.13 | lurgyman | or his boot |
| 00:17.57 | DevGirl[out] | KeyserSoze: shatner and nimoy thought it wouldn't be the "vulcan thing to do" and started toughting about alternatives... |
| 00:18.40 | DevGirl[out] | KeyserSoze: so shatner read something about nerves and pinches and Nimoy said that was a good idea... |
| 00:18.42 | laodamas | captain_proton: The transporter's phase transition coils have decoupled! |
| 00:19.00 | DevGirl[out] | kergoth: then they gone to show Rodenberry |
| 00:19.42 | DevGirl[out] | KeyserSoze: they were with the character clothes and thing... explained the idea... |
| 00:20.18 | laodamas | KeyserSoze: Have you heard any of Q vs. Spock? |
| 00:20.25 | Keyser[zzz] | laodamas: no |
| 00:20.27 | DevGirl[out] | KeyserSoze: Then, suddenly, Nimoy gave the "Vulcan nerve pinch" on Shatner and he fell uncounsious |
| 00:20.51 | Keyser[zzz] | Q, the omnipotent guy? that seems like an unfair fight. what with the omnipotence, and all |
| 00:20.54 | laodamas | Keyser[zzz]: Too bad. I am sure you can find a copy somewhere. |
| 00:20.59 | DevGirl[out] | Keyser[zzz]: all ppl arround come to help Shatner |
| 00:21.14 | lurgyman | all bow to shatner, the great and powerful! |
| 00:21.16 | lalo[out] | captain_proton: captain! we're losing power on the OS/2 Warp engines! |
| 00:21.20 | DevGirl[out] | Keyser[zzz]: "HEY, men!!! take it easy! it works!!!!!" |
| 00:21.28 | Keyser[zzz] | lol |
| 00:22.07 | DevGirl[out] | Keyser[zzz]: and then shatner started laughing and the magic was broken ;) |
| 00:22.40 | lalo[out] | ...and so am I |
| 00:22.44 | lalo[out] | let's sleep |
| 00:22.51 | lurgyman | *snore* |
| 00:22.58 | DevGirl[out] | bye, boys :) |
| 00:23.06 | lurgyman | cheerio |
| 00:23.06 | Keyser[zzz] | like in the alternate universe one, where kirk and spock fight! |
| 00:23.15 | Keyser[zzz] | bye, DevGirl[out] and lalo[out] |
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| 00:23.25 | lurgyman | or the not alternate universe one, where kirk and spock fight! |
| 00:23.26 | DevGirl[out] | Keyser[zzz]: try to find star trek memories... have LOTS of juicy funy stories :) |
| 00:23.35 | NitroPye | any of you guys acually using picogui? |
| 00:24.04 | laodamas | edition |
| 00:24.13 | NitroPye | at all, or are developing for it |
| 00:24.15 | lurgyman | if, by picogui, you mean the best GUI in the universe, then no, no i'm not |
| 00:24.26 | lalo[out] | NitroPye: I use it in my PDA |
| 00:24.41 | NitroPye | whats the draw to it on the pda |
| 00:24.49 | laodamas | NitroPye: I use it on my dreamcast |
| 00:24.54 | NitroPye | nice |
| 00:24.56 | lalo[out] | it's very small :-) both on RAM and storage |
| 00:25.29 | NitroPye | im lookin into it for an X replacement, but not replace X yet at all |
| 00:25.47 | lalo[out] | my PDA has 16Mb flash, and it had about 5 taken with X and X libs and stuff |
| 00:25.56 | DevGirl[out] | NitroPye: it was never meant to |
| 00:26.06 | lalo[out] | I scratched it and replaced it with about 500k of picogui |
| 00:26.29 | NitroPye | still its pretty sweet looking...and i have a special place in my heart for not so large projects |
| 00:27.27 | lurgyman | and i have a special place in my heart for blood |
| 00:27.35 | lurgyman | actually, 4 of them |
| 00:27.42 | lalo[out] | well |
| 00:28.02 | lalo[out] | talk is great, but I have a very special place in my house for sleeping and I must go use it :-) |
| 00:28.05 | lalo[out] | cya |
| 00:28.22 | lurgyman | yay! |
| 00:28.27 | lurgyman | not for too much longer, hopefully |
| 00:28.42 | DevGirl[out] | lalo[out]: oh! a special place for sleeping??? SHOW ME! |
| 00:28.44 | DevGirl[out] | :D |
| 00:28.56 | DevGirl[out] | lurgyman: I hope ;) |
| 00:29.12 | DevGirl[out] | bye! |
| 00:29.23 | lurgyman | ciaoder |
| 00:31.33 | NitroPye | how do i run this thing rootless ? or how do i run this thing at all? |
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| 01:01.30 | nemo | tab widget. neat. |
| 01:03.37 | ahnkana | tired |
| 01:11.36 | captain_proton | bum. bum. badum dum dum |
| 01:11.39 | lurgyman | ahnkana: red dwarf? |
| 01:12.50 | ahnkana | lurgyman: not now |
| 01:12.50 | ahnkana | just saw you all go up the stairs th |
| 01:12.50 | ahnkana | *tho |
| 01:12.50 | captain_proton | knot know |
| 01:12.53 | lurgyman | ooh, crackers |
| 01:14.15 | ahnkana | tht's not happy |
| 01:14.23 | ahnkana | why are we passing out |
| 01:14.38 | lurgyman | t...i...r...e....d.... |
| 01:14.45 | lurgyman | smrt |
| 01:16.29 | ahnkana | so sleep |
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| 01:19.16 | captain_proton | sleep is for losers |
| 01:19.41 | captain_proton | scanline: no |
| 01:19.44 | captain_proton | we have things for you |
| 01:19.48 | lurgyman | scanline should come over and watch prisoner |
| 01:19.49 | scanline | bah |
| 01:19.55 | lurgyman | the best tv show.... ever |
| 01:20.15 | scanline | hmm |
| 01:20.17 | ahnkana | sllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep |
| 01:20.20 | ahnkana | dammit |
| 01:20.20 | lurgyman | dan wins |
| 01:20.21 | captain_proton | scanline: or you could bring them here for multiscreen mode |
| 01:20.31 | lurgyman | yay! |
| 01:20.37 | ahnkana | i have to pee and ashley and derek are making out in the middle of the hallway |
| 01:20.39 | lurgyman | dan 2nds the motion |
| 01:20.40 | ahnkana | gross |
| 01:20.41 | lurgyman | pass! |
| 01:20.44 | lurgyman | hmmm |
| 01:20.47 | ahnkana | i can;t |
| 01:20.53 | scanline | alrighty |
| 01:20.56 | ahnkana | they are rather involved |
| 01:21.00 | ahnkana | it's NASTY |
| 01:21.04 | lurgyman | you could run out, yell "The muffins are coming!" and start frothing at the mouth |
| 01:21.09 | lurgyman | that usually solves my problems |
| 01:21.09 | ahnkana | lol |
| 01:21.15 | ahnkana | bye micah |
| 01:21.18 | ahnkana | lol |
| 01:21.43 | lurgyman | i think that would solve the problem, though |
| 01:21.50 | lurgyman | they might be scared onto another floor |
| 01:21.50 | ahnkana | derek just left |
| 01:21.52 | ahnkana | thank god |
| 01:21.55 | ahnkana | alright |
| 01:21.55 | lurgyman | woo hoo! |
| 01:21.59 | ahnkana | g'ngith |
| 01:22.10 | lurgyman | flobidob blib blob bleeb |
| 01:22.22 | ahnkana | sleep well, oh ye faithful fools of the insomnia |
| 01:22.28 | ahnkana | TIRED |
| 01:22.47 | lurgyman | doo, doo bee doo, doo, doo, doo bee doo, doo bee doo doo, bee doo dooooooooo eeee doo |
| 01:23.29 | viking667 | Heh - all falling asleep at the keyboard? |
| 01:42.24 | viking667 | I might as well go - see ya |
| 01:42.47 | viking667 | By the way, picogui is being asked about in other quarters - just thought you ought to know |
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| 01:55.55 | TheFire | anybody qualified to answer a few tech. questions about picogui? |
| 01:57.17 | TheFire | I saw it supports dropshadow, when I checked the API the color were just RGB but no A(lpha) |
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| 02:43.17 | Xentac | wow... I invited people to come over and play pool and stuff... and they actually did! |
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| 02:59.40 | takkaria | been a while since I was last here. |
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| 03:08.56 | twistedbot | Haha. picogui got a mention on some wierdo site |
| 03:09.02 | twistedbot | slashdot.org |
| 03:09.45 | takkaria | that's what reminded me this place existed :) |
| 03:10.20 | twistedbot | same :) |
| 03:10.35 | twistedbot | I wrote a Scheme/PicoGUI binding a while back |
| 03:10.45 | takkaria | ah |
| 03:10.51 | twistedbot | But deleted it when I decided why bother, as Python is simply too good ;) |
| 03:11.03 | takkaria | debatable |
| 03:11.28 | Talez | its a pity that PicoGUI doesn't run rootless inside Win32 yet... I'd love to play with it |
| 03:11.48 | twistedbot | hrm. rootless is kinda not really what PicoGui is about however |
| 03:11.58 | twistedbot | I mean, its for PDA's! |
| 03:12.59 | Talez | what platforms does it run on so far? just zaruses? |
| 03:13.50 | twistedbot | takkaria: you aren't a froffing-at-the-mouth fan of Python like me? |
| 03:13.50 | twistedbot | Talez: er, lots more. |
| 03:13.50 | takkaria | twistedbot: no. |
| 03:13.50 | twistedbot | Ruby eh? |
| 03:13.50 | takkaria | Talez: I refer you to http://www.picogui.org/ports.php |
| 03:13.50 | Talez | thats takkaria |
| 03:13.51 | takkaria | well, perl, C, lua, ruby. |
| 03:13.51 | Talez | thanks rather |
| 03:13.51 | twistedbot | Lua!! yay! |
| 03:14.23 | twistedbot | Just for the record (I-Am-Not-An-Evangelist), why don't you find Python to be the second coming? |
| 03:14.30 | twistedbot | :) |
| 03:14.44 | takkaria | I don't remember, actually. |
| 03:15.07 | twistedbot | Everyone should learn Lisp :) |
| 03:15.23 | Talez | that link just said that the zarus is the only one where PicoGUI actually works... the rest are "it should work but we really dont know" :D |
| 03:15.54 | takkaria | Talez: okay. can you not see the linux PC entry? |
| 03:16.19 | Talez | takkaria: I thought that was implied by the wealth of linux screenshots :D |
| 03:16.27 | takk|away | heh. |
| 03:17.56 | Talez | PicoGUI might be nice to make a tiny Linux GUI distro... no more huge overhead of X |
| 03:18.09 | twistedbot | yeah |
| 03:18.22 | Xentac | a couple of guys are planning on making a distro with picogui defaulted in there.. |
| 03:18.35 | twistedbot | Python would take the bulk of the space ^^ |
| 03:18.38 | twistedbot | on a distro like that |
| 03:19.10 | Xentac | they were going to make all the scripts, etc in python |
| 03:19.31 | twistedbot | nice. I always wanted a distro with the scripts in Python |
| 03:19.41 | Xentac | including things like the init scripts |
| 03:19.42 | scanline | that's mostly merlin262 and carpman |
| 03:19.42 | twistedbot | you know these guys at all? URL? search string? |
| 03:19.43 | Xentac | ;o) |
| 03:19.52 | scanline | there's no web site for the project yet |
| 03:19.58 | Xentac | I believe it's still in the planning stages |
| 03:20.07 | scanline | well, there is some code written |
| 03:20.08 | Xentac | super-pre-alpha planning stages |
| 03:20.13 | twistedbot | well, if you see em let them know a Python programmer is available, at timdowns@telstra.com :) |
| 03:20.13 | Xentac | yeah? oh, ok |
| 03:20.21 | scanline | carpman has the init scripts mostly working, merlin262 is cranking on the package manager |
| 03:21.41 | Talez | are they going to strip every piece of unncessary crap out of the distro? |
| 03:22.04 | scanline | Well, as they're building it from scratch I doubt there will be any "unnecessary crap" to strip |
| 03:22.41 | twistedbot | if they put in the hard yakker, it could be a big thing |
| 03:23.17 | Talez | it'd be cool to have a gooey POSIX compliant system that fits on a floppy disk... it'd be like QNX all over again! |
| 03:23.36 | twistedbot | even have a Twisted-based Server Suite maybe |
| 03:23.46 | scanline | heh... they already have floppy linux distros with X |
| 03:23.59 | Talez | scanline: no... I mean the 1.44M floppies |
| 03:24.04 | scanline | so do I |
| 03:24.11 | Talez | you're shitting me |
| 03:24.27 | scanline | I try not to, it would smell bad |
| 03:24.36 | twistedbot | plus you gotta clean up after it |
| 03:24.44 | Xentac | scanline: well, that's a knee slapper :P |
| 03:24.58 | scanline | uh huh... |
| 03:25.43 | Xentac | but picogui was on slashdot before... |
| 03:25.57 | scanline | Xentac: sssshhh, I've tried to block that out of my memory :P |
| 03:26.13 | twistedbot | haha |
| 03:26.14 | Xentac | scanline: but that's when I decided to hang out here! |
| 03:26.17 | Xentac | ;P |
| 03:26.23 | scanline | ha |
| 03:26.31 | twistedbot | A hive of disinformation and villiany. |
| 03:26.35 | twistedbot | (Slashdot) |
| 03:26.39 | Talez | scanline: whats this magical X on a floppy disk called? |
| 03:26.50 | scanline | not so much villiany as it is idiocy |
| 03:27.07 | scanline | Talez: don't remember off the top of my head, there are a few of them... just check freshmeat |
| 03:27.12 | twistedbot | well, yeah |
| 03:28.44 | twistedbot | haha read this slashdot post |
| 03:28.55 | twistedbot | "I like innovations but:" |
| 03:28.56 | twistedbot | "Where is the innovation in picoGui? It looks like Aqua of Mac Os X. I appreciate the work for this, but please do something on your own, come up with some new nice ideas, think, innovate, bring some excitement to open source community! Why do we have to see Mac OS X like, Windows like interfaces in the open source all the time? Why don't these people come with nice new interface features? " |
| 03:29.02 | twistedbot | hahahaha |
| 03:29.10 | scanline | heh... |
| 03:29.36 | Talez | did someone tell him that its an X replacement and not just a window manager? |
| 03:29.41 | twistedbot | and another: "the buttons and some of the windows are blanant rip-offs of Aqua on MacOS X |
| 03:29.42 | twistedbot | lame " |
| 03:29.49 | scanline | PicoGUI really isn't an X replacement |
| 03:30.15 | captain_proton | oooh |
| 03:30.26 | scanline | Go to http://slashdot.org/~micahjd/ and read all of the posts I made on that story :P |
| 03:30.29 | captain_proton | shiny error 500 on lirc.org |
| 03:30.36 | scanline | captain_proton: I'm still dizzy |
| 03:31.05 | Xentac | man... there are some real morons on slashdot... |
| 03:31.45 | takk|away | takk reappeared. |
| 03:31.47 | scanline | Xentac: if you want to see idiocy at its finest, read some of the Score: 0 or -1 posts... there was one in there suggesting people would only use picogui if it was compatible with X window managers |
| 03:32.03 | Xentac | bwahahaha |
| 03:32.12 | takkaria | you have been slashdotted! |
| 03:32.17 | Xentac | sounds like someone from #xfree86 ;o) |
| 03:32.42 | scanline | Xentac: almost ;) |
| 03:33.30 | Xentac | someone made a comment once... I can't remember it exactly... but it said something like, "the average slashdot poster posts their comments without even reading the article/information" |
| 03:33.40 | scanline | oh, that's obvious |
| 03:33.55 | Xentac | that's exactly what I thought with that other quote |
| 03:34.14 | scanline | and almost all the people that click the links in the slashdot story only look at the article/page for about 1/10 of a second then post something |
| 03:34.26 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 03:34.33 | twistedbot | It's kind of scary to think that fully half the population is of below average intelligence. |
| 03:34.42 | scanline | that's obvious from the people that think picogui is a reimplementation of OS X... |
| 03:34.44 | Xentac | see... that's why I read the ones that interest me... and _then_ don't post anything |
| 03:34.44 | Xentac | ;o) |
| 03:34.51 | Xentac | twistedbot: hehehe |
| 03:35.04 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 03:35.30 | twistedbot | as long as we hold a healthy disdain of slashdot nerds :) |
| 03:35.43 | Talez | from my understanding PicoGUI is a whole new GUI system made for PDAs which can be using instead of X but not replace it... |
| 03:36.01 | scanline | Talez: I guess that might be a description of it sort of... |
| 03:36.37 | scanline | Talez: it's really just a GUI architecture that doesn't have anything to do with X except that it can run on X if you want it to... it was designed for PDAs but scalable to other platforms too |
| 03:36.37 | Talez | it does what X, a toolkit and a window manager do but it does it in a completely different way thats incompatible with the typical X way of doing things? |
| 03:36.49 | scanline | yes |
| 03:37.16 | twistedbot | And, it's one of the only environments where I can avoid overlapping windows.. until recently that is :) |
| 03:37.34 | scanline | you can avoid overlapping windows in X with a WM like ion |
| 03:37.47 | twistedbot | yah |
| 03:37.50 | twistedbot | ratpoisen |
| 03:38.07 | twistedbot | s/ratpoisen/ratpoison |
| 03:39.53 | captain_proton | bwahahaha |
| 03:40.13 | takkaria | hi to you, too. |
| 03:40.24 | scanline | captain_proton: congrats |
| 03:42.00 | scanline | captain_proton: have to get up early? |
| 03:42.25 | Xentac | night all |
| 03:42.34 | takkaria | the joys of different time zones. |
| 03:42.37 | scanline | g'night Xentac |
| 03:42.42 | captain_proton | scanline: not particularly, just later than i expected |
| 03:42.47 | scanline | captain_proton: oh, ok |
| 03:43.07 | *** join/#picogui Tally (~Talez@d3t4.arach.net.au) |
| 03:43.35 | Tally | hey... this pocket linux thingy is cool |
| 03:43.48 | twistedbot | indeed. |
| 03:43.50 | Tally | I wonder if I can stick IRCII on this thing |
| 03:43.50 | scanline | pocket linux thingy? |
| 03:44.15 | Tally | scanline: I went and downloaded a floppy disk Linux and loaded it up in VMWare |
| 03:44.43 | Talez | its missing a few things... like lynx... and DHCP |
| 03:45.04 | twistedbot | well, that was wierd |
| 03:45.15 | scanline | uh huh... |
| 03:45.48 | Talez | heh... I love VMWare... it makes trying out Linux stuff easy |
| 03:45.50 | scanline | hey.. Tobias Hunger is posting some sense into slashdot too |
| 03:46.42 | twistedbot | Talez: it stops you from trashing your partition table when netbsd segfaults, too :) |
| 03:46.56 | twistedbot | although I've never used VMWare I must admit |
| 03:49.53 | Talez | ok... I just turned on 100 meg of swap space for this pocket linux... I never realised how freaking easy it is to make a linux swap parition |
| 04:09.37 | twistedbot | its all fun and games until you have to learn the Win32 API |
| 04:09.38 | Talez | how low a spec will the framebuffer driver support? |
| 04:10.23 | scanline | Talez: basically anything that can be addressed in cartesian coordinates |
| 04:10.36 | Talez | scanline: do EGA and CGA come in under that? |
| 04:10.42 | captain_proton | well i'm gonna turn off the monitor to let dan sleep some, 'night fellas |
| 04:10.48 | scanline | bye captain_proton |
| 04:10.54 | Talez | catcha captain_proton |
| 04:11.41 | scanline | Talez: yeah.. There's a planar 4bpp mode that works with VGA and EGA I think, not sure if it works with CGA |
| 04:11.42 | takkaria | blows-per-round table.] |
| 04:12.16 | takkaria | hm. that was an interesting mispaste |
| 04:12.43 | Talez | scanline: well I guess since theres probably not a CGA left in this world its safe not to support it |
| 04:14.21 | scanline | they're both 8086, so they wouldn't run picogui anyway |
| 04:14.58 | takkaria | "Take a look at the screenshots. There are no xeyes running! How can we take any X alternative seriously when they don't bother to port xeyes." |
| 04:16.41 | takkaria | "This looks like an API at the HTML level. We have an API at the HTML level; it's called HTML. Do we need another one?" |
| 04:18.26 | *** join/#picogui TD (~mike@81-6-248-49.fw.gotadsl.co.uk) |
| 04:18.31 | TD | no way! you guys rock far too much |
| 04:18.41 | scanline | ha :) |
| 04:18.47 | TD | it's true |
| 04:18.48 | twistedbot | merlin262: earth to merlin262 ... are you there merlin262? |
| 04:19.03 | twistedbot | flattery will get you.. nowhere. |
| 04:19.26 | scanline | oh boy.. I love comments like this one: |
| 04:19.28 | TD | yeah yeah. whatever. can i have true transparency please :) |
| 04:19.29 | scanline | "I think you hit on the real problem though, standardization. There is no single central Unix vendor than can dictate UI design standards or enforce a single widget toolkit. picoGUI has a snowball's chance in hell of becoming the defacto widget/windowing system. Hence it will just serve to fracture the UI experience even more." |
| 04:19.39 | TD | tut tut |
| 04:19.55 | TD | what makes me laugh is the idea that windows or the mac has a unified gui experience |
| 04:20.29 | Talez | scanline: I thought the whole point of PicoGUI was to give embedded makers a nice, compact gui and as a bonus have it scale to almost anything... |
| 04:20.58 | scanline | Talez: sort of... |
| 04:21.31 | TD | it seems to be branching out more into ui system research from what i've read |
| 04:22.21 | scanline | Well, picogui has always been sort of a combination of a research GUI and a practical GUI |
| 04:22.58 | scanline | research, as in I'm trying things that no other GUI (as far as I know) has done, but still practical, in that people are using picogui right now in real-world applications |
| 04:23.10 | TD | yeah. Well, it has quite a lot of similarites to fresco/berlin. |
| 04:23.13 | TD | except it seems to be going places |
| 04:23.24 | TD | and it has a non sucky protocol |
| 04:23.44 | scanline | PicoGUI's divtree is similar to Fresco's scene graph, and they both put widgets on the server |
| 04:23.55 | TD | from the hello world tutorial: "Another difference is that although there can be several applications on one display (e.g. a text editor and a virtual keyboard), they never overlap." |
| 04:23.58 | TD | is that still accurate? |
| 04:23.58 | scanline | Fresco does a lot more radical things regarding the graphic model though |
| 04:23.59 | TD | it seems not |
| 04:24.10 | scanline | TD: it depends |
| 04:24.11 | TD | hmm yeah, floating point coords and such |
| 04:24.35 | TD | from reading the site and seeing screenshots it seems that recently support for overlapping windows was added, right? |
| 04:24.43 | scanline | TD: Normally picogui apps never overlap. The recently added x11 rootless driver changes that |
| 04:26.09 | TD | hmm,ok. That's because of its embedded beginnings i suppose |
| 04:26.40 | scanline | Well, I don't think overlapping windows are the most efficient way to operate a UI, but it's a nice feature to have in some cases |
| 04:27.13 | takkaria | picoGUI is quite similar to RISC OS' gui, I think. |
| 04:27.17 | TD | I have wondered about that. emacs seems to work pretty well with frames |
| 04:27.24 | TD | takkaria: which version of risc os? |
| 04:27.26 | TD | as in the acorn os? |
| 04:27.37 | takkaria | as on the OS formerly made by acorn, yes |
| 04:27.51 | TD | Not sure about architecturally, but it used overlapping windows |
| 04:28.02 | TD | i don't think it was network transparent either |
| 04:28.09 | takkaria | there are some things that remind me quite strongly about the RISC OS gui. |
| 04:28.17 | TD | although the last time i used it was years ago. Have you seen rox desktop? |
| 04:28.19 | takkaria | no, it's not network-transparent. |
| 04:28.29 | takkaria | yes, I use the rox desktop and filer when I'm in linux |
| 04:28.33 | takkaria | I also use RISC OS every day |
| 04:28.50 | TD | really? on an original acorn? |
| 04:28.53 | takkaria | unfortunately, it just doesn't compare to the original |
| 04:28.58 | takkaria | yes, an original acorn |
| 04:29.02 | TD | they used to dominate uk education, but were eventually phased out |
| 04:29.13 | TD | the acorns were good looking back, though i didn't realise it at the time |
| 04:29.20 | takkaria | they're not completely phased out yet, however |
| 04:29.32 | TD | what do you use it for? |
| 04:30.08 | takkaria | um, DTP, coding, ircing, anything, really |
| 04:30.50 | TD | do people still write apps for them? |
| 04:30.56 | takkaria | yes! |
| 04:30.57 | TD | i guess they must do |
| 04:31.00 | takkaria | the OS is still developed |
| 04:31.10 | takkaria | the applications are still developed. hardware is still developed |
| 04:31.59 | TD | which version do you use then? |
| 04:32.06 | takkaria | 3.7 |
| 04:32.20 | takkaria | dated 30th july 1996 |
| 04:32.35 | takkaria | I never upgraded the hardware, either |
| 04:33.09 | TD | heh |
| 04:33.18 | TD | i was wondering about that.. |
| 04:33.48 | takkaria | RISC OS is great |
| 04:34.01 | takkaria | it's got the nicest GUI I've seen anywhere at all |
| 04:34.13 | TD | hmm. I don't recall which version I used, but it was alright at best. Excellent at the time of course, i think state of the art in pc land was windows 3.1 |
| 04:34.24 | takkaria | still state of the art now :) |
| 04:34.51 | takkaria | RISC OS has lots of unique features |
| 04:35.09 | TD | "The price for a single RISC OS 4 upgrade is now £109 including VAT " ouch! |
| 04:35.13 | TD | like? |
| 04:35.31 | takkaria | "With immediate effect the full RISC OS 4 ROM pack is now available for £85 including VAT. For users who want to upgrade more than one machine a set of ROMs only is available for £75 including VAT." |
| 04:35.56 | TD | hmm |
| 04:36.30 | takkaria | well, the little things. subpixel antialiasing engine. window background textures. windows attached to menus. persistant tasks. |
| 04:36.41 | takkaria | tiny memory footprint |
| 04:36.58 | TD | subpixel antialiasing isn't unique anymore |
| 04:37.08 | TD | persistant tasks? |
| 04:37.24 | takkaria | when you load a task, it puts itself on the iconbar |
| 04:37.33 | takkaria | it stays there until you tell it to quit |
| 04:37.43 | takkaria | not when you close its windows. |
| 04:37.49 | TD | mac style? |
| 04:38.02 | takkaria | almost |
| 04:38.33 | takkaria | blazingly fast even on 233Mhz hardware |
| 04:39.24 | twistedbot | just like NetBSD eh? |
| 04:40.08 | takkaria | I think the level of antialiasing on RISC OS is way ahead of anything else. it just feels a lot nicer than the antialiasing on other platforms |
| 04:40.16 | TD | FreeType is pretty good |
| 04:40.38 | TD | well, not that i can compare it to much except windows and os x. i haven't even seen an acorn for years |
| 04:40.46 | TD | shame really. i don't really know what happened to them |
| 04:41.46 | TD | x isn't bad actually on that sort of hardware |
| 04:41.53 | TD | assuming you run windowmaker or fluxbox or something |
| 04:41.58 | TD | i used to use it on something slower |
| 04:42.09 | takkaria | I've tried using it on a 75mhz pentium |
| 04:42.11 | takkaria | unusable! |
| 04:42.59 | takkaria | of course, the proccessor architechture is ARM |
| 04:43.21 | twistedbot | In the days of yore, I used X-Windows on a 486-33. |
| 04:43.26 | twistedbot | And it was *fast*. |
| 04:43.31 | twistedbot | why? no idea. |
| 04:44.37 | takkaria | RISC OS has a responsiveness to which nothing else compares, I think. |
| 04:44.51 | takkaria | 'cos about half of it is written in ASM, you see :) |
| 04:44.53 | Talez | does picogui require any libraries? or is it statically compiled? |
| 04:47.14 | TD | Talez: SDL |
| 04:47.14 | twistedbot | is a milkshape brown or pink :) ? |
| 04:47.15 | TD | apparently |
| 04:47.46 | twistedbot | um, picogui can be run on a backend of your choice |
| 04:47.53 | twistedbot | and you will require that backend |
| 04:48.00 | TD | i just ran configure and make, and it died looking for the sdl headers |
| 04:48.04 | twistedbot | and you can statically compile it if you want ^^ |
| 04:48.13 | twistedbot | ./configure --help |
| 04:48.17 | TD | odd - the suse dvd doesn't appear to have them on |
| 04:48.41 | Talez | shit... I haven't compiled anything since 2000... I'm gonna screw this up so badly |
| 04:49.10 | TD | twistedbot: how do i switch off sdl then? |
| 04:49.20 | TD | --disable-sdl doesn't do anything, and the help text is uninformative on the matter |
| 04:51.35 | twistedbot | edit the Makefile? config.h? |
| 04:56.58 | TD | ... or get pissed off at unix case sensitivity and then install sdl-devel |
| 04:57.00 | TD | or rather, SDL-devel |
| 04:58.23 | *** join/#picogui hdcool (hdcool@D5E0099B.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 04:58.26 | hdcool | hi! :) |
| 04:58.30 | twistedbot | hello hdcool |
| 04:58.39 | twistedbot | Welcome to our Town. |
| 04:58.44 | hdcool | :) |
| 04:59.03 | twistedbot | Welcome to our Town. |
| 04:59.11 | twistedbot | I hope you don't understand that joke :) |
| 04:59.30 | TD | odd |
| 04:59.39 | TD | i wonder why it's failing to link against libaa |
| 04:59.45 | TD | it's definately installed and in the linker cache |
| 05:00.35 | hdcool | i must say i am really astonished by watching your site... |
| 05:00.38 | hdcool | sweet thing :) |
| 05:00.58 | takkaria | the sweetest thing. |
| 05:01.02 | hdcool | :) |
| 05:01.33 | twistedbot | Actually PicoGUI isn't for everyone... |
| 05:01.38 | twistedbot | (yet). |
| 05:01.41 | hdcool | noticed |
| 05:01.51 | TD | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.52 | TD | any ideas? |
| 05:02.10 | twistedbot | can you link a normal app to aa? |
| 05:02.17 | TD | not sure, i've never noticed it before |
| 05:02.18 | twistedbot | like a 1 line C program? |
| 05:02.19 | hdcool | check ld.so.conf, rerun ldconfig, perhaps -llibaa ? |
| 05:02.39 | TD | twistedbot: how would i compile a 1 line c program? |
| 05:02.49 | TD | hdcool: it's in the linker cache |
| 05:02.58 | hdcool | oh |
| 05:03.00 | hdcool | ? :) |
| 05:03.02 | takkaria | gcc -o output filename |
| 05:03.22 | hdcool | tiny bit though ;) |
| 05:03.34 | TD | hmm, odd |
| 05:03.38 | TD | it works with a capital L? |
| 05:03.43 | TD | what's the difference between -laa and -Laa? |
| 05:03.48 | TD | and what does libaa do anyway? |
| 05:03.50 | twistedbot | -laa is what you want |
| 05:03.56 | twistedbot | and libaa is text renderer |
| 05:03.58 | hdcool | -L is normally the option in which you tell where to look for lib files |
| 05:04.01 | twistedbot | and you don't want it |
| 05:04.08 | TD | right |
| 05:04.13 | TD | i don't. asciiart, of course |
| 05:04.22 | TD | it's in /usr/lib so it should be found ok |
| 05:06.17 | twistedbot | so when you do a gcc garbage.c -laa |
| 05:06.19 | twistedbot | What happens? |
| 05:07.17 | TD | same error |
| 05:07.23 | TD | cannot find -laa |
| 05:07.44 | TD | ah ha |
| 05:07.54 | TD | it seems to have not been installed properly? there is no libaa.so symlink |
| 05:08.02 | hdcool | :) |
| 05:08.03 | TD | only .so.1 and .so.1.0.3 |
| 05:08.16 | TD | running ldconfig doesn't fix that however |
| 05:08.17 | TD | most odd |
| 05:08.27 | TD | well i removed the -laa part and pgserver seems to run :) |
| 05:09.12 | hd|food | but not antialiased |
| 05:09.22 | TD | hd|food: aa is asciiart |
| 05:09.25 | TD | not antialiasing |
| 05:09.28 | hd|food | oh |
| 05:09.36 | hd|food | weird! |
| 05:09.36 | TD | ie fun but not useful option |
| 05:09.36 | hd|food | :) |
| 05:12.25 | takkaria | hm. |
| 05:12.27 | Talez | is there a doc that serves as a guide for creating a small linux distro? |
| 05:12.44 | takkaria | if you can make a port of picogui to your eyes, you won't have to port xeyes. |
| 05:12.51 | takkaria | Talez: linux-from-scratch? |
| 05:14.21 | TD | pgl-launcher.c:36: res_c/res_c.h: No such file or directory |
| 05:14.50 | takkaria | pgl-launcher? |
| 05:14.55 | TD | in the apps directory |
| 05:14.55 | takkaria | I think I hacked that at some point |
| 05:19.25 | Talez | takk|away: thanks for that |
| 05:25.10 | hd|food | takk|away and let it boot straight into picogui? |
| 05:25.14 | hd|food | that'd be nifty :) |
| 05:28.07 | takkaria | 'twould indeed. |
| 05:28.56 | takkaria | Talez: no problem. have you got the URL for it? |
| 05:29.01 | takkaria | if so, could you give it me? |
| 05:29.02 | Talez | yeah |
| 05:29.20 | Talez | http://www.au.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/intro.shtml |
| 05:29.24 | Talez | its the australian mirror though |
| 05:32.53 | hd|food | how "fast" does picogui boot? one of the things that i really hate about X is the screen that starts flickering first..then that damned grey net and only then the windowmanager |
| 05:32.58 | TD | hd|food: instantly here |
| 05:33.09 | TD | hd|food: although bear in mind x bootup has to do driver init too |
| 05:33.43 | hd|food | mmm .. pg not? |
| 05:33.58 | TD | i'm running it within x so no |
| 05:34.23 | hd|food | for example...beos has a sweet gui...bootup..ping voila, and we have gui |
| 05:34.25 | hd|food | oh |
| 05:35.41 | takkaria | 30 seconds from off to ready to use with gui initialised and various apps loaded is what my RISC OS box does |
| 05:36.22 | *** join/#picogui scanline (~micah@aden2-230-dhcp.Colorado.EDU) |
| 05:37.37 | TD | what does gremlin do? |
| 05:37.55 | scanline | generates random events |
| 05:38.15 | TD | ok |
| 05:38.41 | TD | what's the best theme in your opinion(s)? |
| 05:39.37 | TD | oops |
| 05:39.42 | TD | the segfault dialog box is nice :) |
| 05:40.04 | hd|food | td show me :p |
| 05:40.14 | TD | run the omnibar dialog |
| 05:40.21 | hd|brb | i don't have pg yet |
| 05:40.25 | hd|brb | i'm in windoze :) |
| 05:40.36 | TD | ah, do you have a linux box to play with? |
| 05:40.45 | hd|brb | sure |
| 05:41.10 | hd|brb | brb |
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| 06:00.13 | bzdoug_ | congrates scanline, your on slashdot |
| 06:00.14 | *** part/#picogui bzdoug_ (~blah@adsl-39-133.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 06:09.50 | hdcool | bbl :) |
| 06:16.00 | *** join/#picogui D_mon (~maarten@d-mon.xs4all.nl) |
| 06:52.58 | *** join/#picogui hdcool (~hdcool@D5E0099B.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 06:53.35 | hdcool | Talez: how's the picogui distro ;) |
| 06:56.10 | D_mon | hi, i saw picogui on /. today.. it looks really good |
| 06:56.58 | hdcool | yep, i saw it there too :) |
| 06:57.06 | D_mon | :)) |
| 06:57.23 | D_mon | i saw one of the apps is atomicnavigator.. |
| 06:57.44 | D_mon | it might be a good idea to use mozilla for that |
| 06:58.10 | hikke | D_mon: Porting mozilla to picogui would be a hell of a job |
| 06:58.24 | hikke | And only few pda's could run it :P |
| 06:58.27 | D_mon | hikke: why would it ? |
| 06:58.32 | D_mon | hmm |
| 06:58.54 | hdcool | and it would make picogui slowdown :) |
| 06:58.55 | D_mon | but it's kinda what gecko is about, making porting easy |
| 06:59.33 | hdcool | hikke: i don't have a pda..but if i had one...how do i put linux on it and picogui? |
| 07:00.27 | hikke | I don't have a pda neither, but there are some distros for pocketpc or palm systems |
| 07:02.25 | D_mon | hikke: what would be the main problem of porting it you think ? |
| 07:03.01 | hikke | Hmm? Actually I dunno :) |
| 07:03.12 | TD | D_mon: lots of problems |
| 07:03.30 | TD | the gecko gfx layer is designed around the idea of a stateless graphics layer |
| 07:03.36 | TD | ie one where you must constantly repaint stuff |
| 07:03.51 | TD | not to mention the interesting challenge of integrating pg widgets with it |
| 07:03.55 | D_mon | ah, ok |
| 07:04.10 | TD | bear in mind that gecko normally just uses the theming apis of the native OS to do that sort of thing |
| 07:04.36 | TD | + why bother? it'd be easier for pg to get the ability to have apps render themselves into a region |
| 07:04.51 | TD | then you could do it maybe, though it wouldn't be using pico really |
| 07:05.22 | D_mon | hmm, no.. i don't think so, geck does not do any theming stuff afaik |
| 07:05.41 | D_mon | but yes, mozilla isn't really tiny |
| 07:06.42 | TD | gecko can use native theming apis to render widgets |
| 07:06.46 | TD | in web pages and in xul |
| 07:06.55 | TD | hence the fact that it adopts the xp themes in windows |
| 07:07.17 | TD | it might be possible, but only something to consider when pg is a lot more mature |
| 07:07.34 | D_mon | i doubt that is part of gecko, i thought gekco just calls some presentation layer |
| 07:08.04 | TD | well yeah it's all pluggable |
| 07:08.09 | TD | nothing is hardwired |
| 07:08.11 | D_mon | well, i'm just trying to work with mozilla.. |
| 07:08.23 | D_mon | but the xpcom python binding is really outdated |
| 07:08.30 | hdcool | brb |
| 07:09.19 | TD | yeah |
| 07:09.34 | TD | moz has a lot of potential as a dev platform but it's not really being exploited |
| 07:09.54 | D_mon | yes, i think so to |
| 07:09.59 | D_mon | they are really doing good stuff |
| 07:10.05 | *** join/#picogui hdcool (~hdcool@D5E0099B.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 07:10.08 | D_mon | though i don't like the XUL stuff.. |
| 07:10.13 | TD | no? |
| 07:10.27 | D_mon | but it's dissapearing i believe, they are starting to make more native mozilla implementations now |
| 07:10.38 | D_mon | like phoenix |
| 07:10.41 | D_mon | galeon |
| 07:10.49 | TD | xul is extremely cool |
| 07:10.53 | TD | pioneering work |
| 07:10.56 | TD | phoenix isn't native |
| 07:10.59 | TD | it uses xul too you know |
| 07:11.00 | D_mon | well, it is.. but |
| 07:11.06 | D_mon | you are right ! |
| 07:11.08 | D_mon | it is |
| 07:11.19 | D_mon | galeon and... there is a win version |
| 07:11.24 | D_mon | chameleon orso |
| 07:11.27 | TD | kmeleon hasn't been updated for ages |
| 07:11.35 | TD | moz on windows is ultra fast anyway |
| 07:11.40 | TD | no real need for a native version |
| 07:11.47 | D_mon | but i didn't like the std mozilla gui |
| 07:11.57 | D_mon | nah, it doesn't look good i think.. |
| 07:12.15 | TD | well you can make it look like IE if you really want :p |
| 07:12.19 | hikke | phoenix in windows is slow. |
| 07:12.39 | D_mon | well, it looks a bit like it.. but it still missed sth |
| 07:12.43 | TD | i found it no faster than mozilla, so not slow as such |
| 07:12.48 | hikke | But still, i'm using it because it uses mozillas rendering engine.. |
| 07:12.50 | TD | but why bother when you can have the full thing? |
| 07:12.54 | D_mon | but i like galeon for instance.. pretty fast |
| 07:13.12 | D_mon | though.. mozilla 1.2 beta was REALLY fast.. |
| 07:13.24 | D_mon | way better than the 1.0 series |
| 07:13.47 | hikke | I could try that 1.2 beta |
| 07:14.26 | D_mon | it's like to play with pyxpcom.. to see how mozilla works |
| 07:14.56 | D_mon | but too bad.. it doesn't compile anymore, and i can't get the right version from cvs.. |
| 07:22.02 | Talez | hdcool: I'm in the middle of uni exams but I'll start working on a tiny PicoGUI distro next week... once I figure out how it works and what software is available for it |
| 07:22.32 | hdcool | Talez: oh..i just had my exams finnished this week: ) good luck to you!! |
| 07:23.03 | D_mon | same here :) entering a new quarter.. |
| 07:23.33 | D_mon | hdcool: goedenmiddag buurman |
| 07:23.50 | hdcool | aha :p |
| 07:24.02 | hdcool | goeiemiddag ;) |
| 07:24.17 | hdcool | so what do you study? |
| 07:24.24 | D_mon | CS |
| 07:24.33 | hdcool | cool |
| 07:24.37 | D_mon | you ? |
| 07:24.44 | hdcool | industrial engineering(electronics) |
| 07:25.10 | D_mon | ah, hardware :) |
| 07:25.17 | hdcool | :) |
| 07:25.29 | hdcool | in the end i want to go work at esa or nestec |
| 07:25.31 | hdcool | :) |
| 07:25.38 | D_mon | and you do programming in spare time ? |
| 07:25.41 | D_mon | ah kewl |
| 07:25.45 | D_mon | what is nestec ? |
| 07:25.56 | hdcool | nederlandse afdeling van esa :) |
| 07:26.01 | D_mon | oh |
| 07:26.04 | D_mon | never heard of it |
| 07:26.17 | hdcool | i used to do programming in spare time...but i don't do that anymore..not enough time |
| 07:26.31 | D_mon | i had a placement at an astronomy institute.. and thinking bout doing astronomy next year |
| 07:27.24 | D_mon | maybe be meet some day :) |
| 07:27.27 | D_mon | without knowing |
| 07:28.45 | hdcool | :) |
| 07:28.58 | hdcool | that is if i succesfully get my masters degree... |
| 07:29.19 | hdcool | i might come to TU delft too to become ir lucht & ruimtevaart technieken :) |
| 07:29.28 | hdcool | but that's a really small chance |
| 07:30.11 | D_mon | why a small chance.. looting ? |
| 07:32.33 | hdcool | if i get my Msc..I'll probably don't have the envie to still continue :) |
| 07:33.35 | D_mon | ah.. yes, same here.. |
| 07:33.56 | D_mon | or.. when i finish CS, doing another study.. which will costs me ALOT of money.. |
| 07:34.10 | D_mon | i'm not sure, i think i'll do the first year, and then see |
| 07:34.20 | D_mon | i mean, i allready got a huge debt |
| 07:34.58 | hdcool | debt? |
| 07:35.02 | D_mon | schuld |
| 07:35.04 | D_mon | lening |
| 07:35.05 | hdcool | oh |
| 07:35.16 | D_mon | studieschuld van .. uhm.. veel :) |
| 07:35.32 | hdcool | i'm still at my first year though(the second time though :p) so it's all planning in the future and hoping we'll succeed |
| 07:35.51 | D_mon | ah, i'm in my final year |
| 07:35.58 | hdcool | 4-5yr? |
| 07:36.05 | D_mon | i have to do a last job placement/project |
| 07:36.06 | D_mon | 4 |
| 07:36.11 | hdcool | :) |
| 07:36.18 | hdcool | esa ;) |
| 07:36.23 | hdcool | brb, got to restart X :p |
| 07:36.28 | D_mon | k |
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| 07:37.48 | D_mon | get picogui, and you won't to restart X anymore ! :) |
| 07:38.52 | hikke | :P |
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| 07:40.41 | hdcool | :) |
| 07:40.50 | hdcool | picogui can't handly my resolution ;) |
| 07:41.01 | antagonizt | anybody built picogui's cli_c and the test apps wih a mipsel-uclibc cross compiler? |
| 07:41.17 | fragglet | yes! |
| 07:41.32 | antagonizt | i built pgserver no problem but cli_c gripes about tons of parsing errors? |
| 07:41.42 | fragglet | hmm |
| 07:41.43 | fragglet | strange |
| 07:41.48 | fragglet | i never had that |
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| 07:43.00 | antagonizt | i configure with ... |
| 07:43.02 | antagonizt | CC=mipsel-uclibc-gcc LD=mipsel-uclibc-ld STRIP=mipsel-uclibc-strip PREFIX=/home/johnbot/tmp/picogui ./configure --host=mipsel-liux --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu --prefix=/home/johnbot/tmp/picogui |
| 07:43.13 | fragglet | oh |
| 07:43.18 | antagonizt | which worked for pgserver |
| 07:43.23 | fragglet | try ./configure --with-prefix=mipsel-uclibc |
| 07:45.06 | antagonizt | configure: error: cannot link a test picogui program. |
| 07:46.41 | fragglet | hmm |
| 07:46.47 | Talez | its amazing how much space is taken up by the libraries |
| 07:46.57 | Talez | aren't the glibc libraries like 130 megs or something? |
| 07:49.48 | antagonizt | when i remove that test from configure then i get hundreds of parse errors like this ../include/picogui/pgfx.h:329: parse error before "c" |
| 07:50.03 | antagonizt | from every header |
| 07:50.25 | fragglet | i've never had anything like that happen |
| 07:50.45 | fragglet | actually i am using arm-uclibc not mipsel but it shouldnt be too different |
| 07:51.42 | antagonizt | what is the order i should build things? i did pgserver then tried cli_c and then the apps |
| 07:52.26 | fragglet | that should be right |
| 07:53.21 | fragglet | inline pgprim pgSetClip(pgcontext c,pgu x,pgu y,pgu w,pgu h); |
| 07:53.28 | fragglet | looks like it cant find pgcontext |
| 07:54.18 | antagonizt | that is just one of hundreds... |
| 07:55.26 | fragglet | :/ |
| 07:58.52 | antagonizt | grrr... kinda hard to test picogui without any apps... just a blank white screen :/ |
| 07:59.33 | antagonizt | fragglet, well thanks for trying to help |
| 08:01.46 | antagonizt | what are the options to videotest in pgserver.conf? |
| 08:03.49 | stefp | gcc -O2 -g -L/usr/X11/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -o pgserver pgmain.o gcore/libgcore.a widget/libwidget.a appmgr/libappmgr.a net/libnet.a theme/libtheme.a debug/libdebug.a video/libvideo.a vidwrap/libvidwrap.a vidbase/libvidbase.a input/libinput.a formats/libformats.a font/libfont.a -L/usr/lib -lSDL -lpthread -lm -lz -lpng -lX11 -lpng -ljpeg -ljpeg |
| 08:03.49 | stefp | video/libvideo.a(x11.o): In function `x11_init': |
| 08:03.49 | stefp | /home/stef/picogui-0.42/pgserver/video/x11.c:632: undefined reference to `x11input_regfunc' |
| 08:04.01 | stefp | what am I misssing |
| 08:04.03 | stefp | ? |
| 08:04.15 | stefp | I am using mandrake cooker |
| 08:06.23 | stefp | brb in 20 mins |
| 08:28.41 | hdcool | ? why does pgserver need x11? |
| 08:28.49 | hdcool | mm nevermind |
| 08:28.51 | hdcool | stupid question |
| 08:32.22 | merlin262 | Good Morning everyone |
| 08:33.09 | merlin262 | hdcool: make menuconfig - if you don't want x11 |
| 08:33.45 | merlin262 | hdcool: you can also use the X11 video rootless driver, to have picogui act like regular X11 apps |
| 08:33.58 | merlin262 | hdcool: but it's still experimental |
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| 08:35.40 | danols | scanline arround ? |
| 08:35.50 | hd|bbl | bbl guys |
| 08:38.02 | merlin262 | danols: i don't think so |
| 08:39.08 | TD | scanline: he went to bed i think |
| 08:39.22 | TD | rather, scanline went to bed |
| 08:40.16 | merlin262 | lots of new ppl here... |
| 08:41.41 | stefp | stefp: I want X11; well I don't want it but I have to do with it :( |
| 08:43.31 | danols | picogui should be small right ? like 100-400kb how come mine 2.4 mb ? |
| 08:46.11 | fragglet | danols: what did you compile in |
| 08:46.24 | merlin-bbiab | danols: gcc3 tends to make big executables, you probably also need to strip the binary, and there are tons of options to compile in |
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| 08:46.46 | trippy | Ping? |
| 08:47.42 | danols | merlin-bbiab: i see, well all i did was ./cofngiure and make |
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| 08:53.52 | file | look at all the new people... |
| 08:54.01 | trippy | is there a reason why the freetype stuff is disabled by default? |
| 08:54.17 | trippy | file: I'd try and stake my claim that I've been around anyway... but well... |
| 08:54.34 | trippy | You know as well as I do why I got interested again :) |
| 08:54.54 | file | trippy: no I consider you a regular still |
| 08:55.19 | trippy | Yay! I got here before the slashdot hordes <g> |
| 08:55.55 | file | antagonizt, danols, D_mon, erikd, lurgyman, nemo, NonToxic, paqan, richjoyce, riishigh, stefp, takk|away, Talez, and TD are all new |
| 08:56.39 | riishigh | :) |
| 08:57.39 | trippy | I've got it to compile many times in the past... This time though I've been switching on all the interesting options, and that always makes for fun |
| 08:57.56 | file | I bet |
| 08:58.01 | TD | file: oh, yeah, i just popped in to get some building help and never left :) |
| 08:58.24 | stefp | /home/stef/picogui-0.42/pgserver/video/x11.c:632: undefined reference to `x11input_regfunc' |
| 08:58.27 | TD | i'll go back to my own project room in a bit |
| 08:58.40 | stefp | does anyone know about that missing symbol? |
| 08:58.45 | file | son of a - SNOW! |
| 08:59.30 | trippy | RAIN! |
| 08:59.37 | TD | grey skys :( |
| 09:00.03 | trippy | stefp: I take it you have the relevent devel packages installed? |
| 09:00.24 | stefp | that is a link time that it barks. :( |
| 09:00.32 | stefp | s/ a / at / |
| 09:00.46 | file | disable the X11 stuff then :) |
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| 09:01.04 | file | hunger: your nickname says it all for me! |
| 09:01.31 | hunger | scanline: Sorry for abusing the picogui story on /. for fresco's cause;-) |
| 09:01.57 | file | Slashdot is Slashdot. |
| 09:02.01 | file | and with 'dat - I'm gone to make dinner |
| 09:02.05 | file | anybody want anything? |
| 09:02.10 | trippy | Yes please |
| 09:02.10 | hunger | Some very funny comments on that one:-) I loled when I read some of them. |
| 09:02.11 | TD | chips would be good by me |
| 09:02.26 | file | hunger: I thought some people were extremely dumb |
| 09:02.33 | file | hunger: and didn't take the time to really read about PicoGUI |
| 09:02.37 | file | trippy: what |
| 09:02.53 | trippy | 1,000,000 Canadian dollars, in unmarked 20's |
| 09:02.59 | TD | mmmm. I haven't had chips for months |
| 09:03.06 | hunger | file: That's why I had to laugh. Some moderators are even dumber though... |
| 09:03.09 | file | trippy: do you accept Paypal? |
| 09:03.21 | trippy | file: ... dunno... might be traceable |
| 09:03.35 | file | trippy: why don't I just give you my Paypal Debit/ATM Card, it's linked to my work account |
| 09:03.50 | trippy | We can meet half way... say, middle of the atlantic, and do the exchange there |
| 09:04.16 | file | ic |
| 09:05.35 | trippy | Or chips would do fin |
| 09:06.19 | trippy | Thankyou |
| 09:06.21 | TD | the problem with chips is you either have to buy them from a takeaway or have a freezer |
| 09:06.21 | file | oh no |
| 09:06.24 | TD | which i don't |
| 09:06.25 | file | they got confiscated by customs! |
| 09:06.39 | TD | weapon of terrorists clearly |
| 09:06.46 | trippy | TD: got freezer, but nothing to cook them it |
| 09:06.46 | file | aren't they called crisps for you? |
| 09:07.02 | trippy | Argh. We've got confuzzled |
| 09:07.13 | TD | when I said chips i meant chips |
| 09:07.23 | TD | as in sticks of fried potato that you get with burgers in mcdonalds |
| 09:07.29 | file | oh |
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| 09:07.46 | trippy | Thats what I was talking |
| 09:07.46 | file | those are called fries |
| 09:07.46 | trippy | wrongwrongwrong |
| 09:07.51 | TD | fries then :) i haven't had fries for ages |
| 09:07.55 | TD | i have chips all the time :) |
| 09:08.02 | prpplague | PicoBot: seen scanline' |
| 09:08.02 | PicoBot | I haven't seen 'scanline'', prpplague |
| 09:08.03 | file | I'm having "chips" right now |
| 09:08.04 | prpplague | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 09:08.05 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 3 hours, 28 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying: is away: need sleep [Sun Nov 17 05:42:36 2002] |
| 09:08.06 | file | and "crisps" |
| 09:08.12 | file | prpplague: we got slashdotted |
| 09:08.17 | prpplague | ya i saw |
| 09:08.29 | TD | who submitted that story? |
| 09:08.38 | TD | i'm planning to try and slashdot my own project in a few months |
| 09:08.41 | prpplague | was scanline up all night answering email/questions ? |
| 09:08.48 | trippy | TD: What's your project? |
| 09:09.09 | TD | trippy: autopackage |
| 09:09.18 | TD | makes package management not suck on linux |
| 09:09.30 | TD | so you can make packages that will install from the net on any distro, can be interactive etc |
| 09:10.00 | TD | unfortunately the only other coder on it is currently addicted to ragnaroc online, so there's only me in the channel :) |
| 09:10.03 | trippy | What does it do, generate debs/rpms/etc from a common set of stuff? Or have I got it completely wrong... |
| 09:10.07 | TD | no |
| 09:10.21 | TD | it generates .package files which can be run to install the software on any distro supported by autopackage |
| 09:10.35 | TD | it can detect dependancies regardless of how they were installed for instance |
| 09:10.41 | TD | it has a few other neat features as well |
| 09:10.48 | TD | the idea is to make installing stuff dead easy for newbies |
| 09:10.52 | trippy | Cool, sounds worth taking a look at |
| 09:10.54 | TD | and powerful for oldies. in theory at any rate |
| 09:10.57 | TD | sure, check out autopackage.org |
| 09:11.03 | hunger | TD: I'd try to get that on advogato, not slashdot. |
| 09:11.11 | TD | hunger: why advogato? |
| 09:11.28 | hunger | TD: Because more developers hang out there. |
| 09:11.37 | TD | hmm, true. |
| 09:11.39 | hunger | TD: With /. you will get lots of trolls... |
| 09:11.44 | TD | i was going to write an article for freshmeat too |
| 09:11.52 | TD | easier to explain things that way |
| 09:13.25 | hikke | Hmm |
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| 09:13.33 | TD | at some point i'd like to write a front end for picogui i think :) |
| 09:13.36 | hikke | quite nice & clean desing in your pages :> |
| 09:13.44 | riishigh | what would cause: undefined reference to `bdf_fontstyles' |
| 09:13.47 | TD | by the time we hit 1.0 for autopackage I think picogui would be pretty mature |
| 09:13.50 | TD | hikke: thanks |
| 09:14.27 | TD | front ends are pluggable, the first will be for gtk2 i think, maybe a qt one if we get a volunteer |
| 09:14.52 | TD | picogui looks easy to code for though, at least in python, so i might try that some day |
| 09:18.09 | file | mmm, food |
| 09:23.52 | file | I must reboot |
| 09:23.56 | file | so brb |
| 09:27.35 | danols | TD: try gentoo package managment |
| 09:28.29 | danols | that distribution uses something that installs from source and it's dead easy too |
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| 09:30.26 | TD | danols: ap is binary based |
| 09:30.29 | TD | not source |
| 09:30.43 | kungfuftr | does anyoe know of any debian packages of picogui? |
| 09:30.49 | TD | it's designed to layer on top of emerge/rpm/dpkg/whatever |
| 09:30.56 | kungfuftr | ullo trippy |
| 09:31.06 | danols | TD why do we need another layer ? |
| 09:31.09 | trippy | I've heard it said in places that the great thing about gentoo is that it compiles from source, and that the worst thing is that it compiles from source |
| 09:31.19 | danols | trippy: hehe yeah |
| 09:31.28 | trippy | kungfuftr: hey |
| 09:31.35 | danols | i enjoy it though, easy enough, but still leaves you room to learn the inner workings |
| 09:31.56 | trippy | kungfuftr: as far as I'm aware there aren't any packages, compiling from cvs is generally fairly easy though |
| 09:32.00 | kungfuftr | trippy-> i heard you raved on about this software, so i'd thought i'd check it out |
| 09:32.06 | kungfuftr | *shudder* |
| 09:32.14 | trippy | Did I rave about it? Ooh, interesting |
| 09:32.30 | trippy | Where? |
| 09:32.39 | kungfuftr | was a while back |
| 09:33.06 | trippy | It was the only thing that was still continuing development work for my pda, thats how I got interested |
| 09:33.22 | kungfuftr | ah right |
| 09:33.42 | kungfuftr | s there a perl API for it yet? |
| 09:33.51 | trippy | yes, but I haven't looked at it |
| 09:33.54 | TD | danols: because the current packaging systems suck |
| 09:34.03 | TD | rpm was never designed for net based distribution of software and it shows |
| 09:34.17 | TD | hence the fact that you need a separate package for each distro, and each version of each distro in worst cases |
| 09:34.17 | kungfuftr | .deb++ |
| 09:35.14 | TD | the debian system isn't what's needed either |
| 09:35.16 | kungfuftr | sean-> you going to the meeting tomorrow night? |
| 09:35.19 | TD | it's distro specific too |
| 09:35.41 | kungfuftr | TD-> nope, there's apt for mandrake and red hat too |
| 09:35.49 | TD | dpkg and apt are separate |
| 09:35.59 | kungfuftr | i know |
| 09:36.05 | TD | the .deb file format is unsuited to net distribution |
| 09:36.11 | TD | stuff like apt has other problems too |
| 09:36.20 | kungfuftr | like? |
| 09:36.44 | TD | it assumes everything on your system is registered in a database |
| 09:36.53 | TD | there is minimal chance for interaction |
| 09:36.58 | TD | doesn't handle differences betweens distros well |
| 09:37.03 | kungfuftr | that's the point of debian |
| 09:37.15 | kungfuftr | you can put everything into the database |
| 09:37.20 | TD | except you can't |
| 09:37.26 | kungfuftr | you can |
| 09:37.30 | trippy | Oh dear |
| 09:37.32 | kungfuftr | dpkg-make |
| 09:37.35 | TD | don't even try and convince me that every piece of software you ever want is in debians repositories |
| 09:37.47 | TD | yeah yeah, you can use stuff like checkinstall |
| 09:37.54 | TD | i guess dpkg-make is a similar idea |
| 09:37.54 | kungfuftr | if it's not in the repositories make your own package |
| 09:38.05 | kungfuftr | ^_^ |
| 09:38.08 | TD | newbies don't want to make their own packages though, that involves compiling stuff which is hard |
| 09:38.15 | trippy | If you are a GPL/BSD/yak zealot the Debian system can work great |
| 09:38.41 | trippy | There is no reason for anything not to go in the debian repository, as it should all be distributed free |
| 09:38.51 | TD | the idea that you can keep track of every piece of software on a database is flawed imho, it's better to check for each dependancy at install time a la autoconf (which is what apkg does) |
| 09:39.01 | trippy | This all breaks down when you start having non free (cost) software |
| 09:39.07 | TD | trippy: it doesn't scale either |
| 09:39.08 | kungfuftr | trippy-> well, all the mp3 encoders were taken out |
| 09:39.23 | TD | see that picogui has no debian packages ( i think ) - i regularly want software that isn't packaged |
| 09:39.27 | TD | or only has a redhat package |
| 09:39.40 | TD | kungfuftr: non-free software too, for instance nano is there but not pico |
| 09:39.47 | trippy | kungfuftr: yes... this is why we need a debian sod-the-patents-and-laws archive, to go with non-free and non-US |
| 09:39.59 | kungfuftr | TD-> that's only if you choose to use a non-free mirror |
| 09:40.28 | TD | anyway, the solution "everybody should use debian" isn't a good one |
| 09:40.41 | TD | and debians package format can't be installed onto say redhat, or suse |
| 09:40.43 | TD | etc |
| 09:40.54 | kungfuftr | well, there is a wrapper for it |
| 09:40.56 | TD | in fact practically all packaging formats are distro specific |
| 09:41.03 | kungfuftr | anyways.... willow on DVD |
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| 09:59.10 | trippy | Oh good, there wasn't a punch up |
| 09:59.14 | trippy | :) |
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| 10:16.20 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 10:16.21 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 4 hours, 36 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: is away: need sleep [Sun Nov 17 05:42:36 2002] |
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| 10:26.14 | hdcool | re |
| 10:26.15 | hdcool | hi |
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| 10:32.01 | bigthor | hi |
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| 10:50.04 | Xentac | my network blows... |
| 10:51.05 | Xentac | sometimes it's 8002.4 ms |
| 10:51.05 | Xentac | etc |
| 10:51.31 | Xentac | and sometimes, I don't get them back at all... |
| 10:52.18 | gonkulator | hmmm... |
| 10:52.33 | gonkulator | Xentac: sounds like network issues |
| 10:53.24 | Xentac | yes, yes it does |
| 10:56.31 | Xentac | yeah... something about this network is sucking more today... |
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| 10:58.15 | file | aha, finally got it working |
| 10:58.46 | Xentac | file: got what working? |
| 10:59.04 | file | my internet connection sharing stuff |
| 10:59.11 | file | my normal NAT stuff kept crashing Windows |
| 10:59.19 | Xentac | well then.. run a linux server! |
| 10:59.21 | Xentac | duh |
| 10:59.23 | file | and I finally remembered that Windows 2k has ICS built in! |
| 10:59.31 | file | Xentac: I haven't got my wireless NIC working quite right yet |
| 10:59.39 | Xentac | bah |
| 10:59.52 | file | it's detected and setup, but my laptop can't ping it |
| 11:00.04 | Xentac | my network blows right now... |
| 11:00.09 | file | why? |
| 11:00.25 | *** join/#picogui dekay (dk@216.209.185.191) |
| 11:00.33 | file | Xentac: what's wrong with it |
| 11:00.35 | Xentac | ummm... do you have the proper wireless config stuff? (iwconfig) |
| 11:00.54 | Xentac | it's losing data... and a good chunk of it.. |
| 11:01.18 | file | I hardcoded all the settings into it |
| 11:01.21 | *** part/#picogui riishigh (~riishigh@0xc3d7f87e.arcnxx1.adsl.tele.dk) |
| 11:01.31 | file | oh my |
| 11:01.56 | gonkulator | Xentac: sounds like your hub melted |
| 11:02.09 | Xentac | it could have... |
| 11:02.16 | file | I get better than 'dat off the net! |
| 11:02.30 | file | I think your cursed |
| 11:03.10 | file | the hub!!! |
| 11:03.24 | dekay | Hi. Just found out about this project from /. A couple questions popped into my head... |
| 11:03.31 | file | dekay: ask 'em |
| 11:04.05 | gonkulator | Xentac: Your network isn't the only flakey network it seems |
| 11:04.05 | Xentac | it was connected to part of his sister's room... the light switch in the computer room, my room, the hallway, and some plugs on the wall (which the hub was connected to) |
| 11:04.27 | Xentac | gonkulator: hehehe... freenode has always been flaky though ;o) |
| 11:04.29 | dekay | The faq says pg is 100% integer. But it also mentions freetype support and I believe that mean floating pt/subpixel rendering. |
| 11:04.46 | file | Internet is at a stable 1600kbps down, 544kbps up |
| 11:04.47 | Xentac | dekay: that's a good question... |
| 11:05.06 | Xentac | the freetype stuff has been added recently |
| 11:05.36 | gonkulator | dekay: PicoGUI does sub pixel rendering by assuming a "larger" screen I think |
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| 11:05.55 | gonkulator | dekay: there might be some and or masks going on there too |
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| 11:06.43 | Xentac | there's no use of the words 'float' or 'double' in the context of a variable ;o) |
| 11:07.37 | dekay | Heh. Here is another quesetion. The faq states the focus is on small devices but the homepage mentions new ideas on transparency and overlapping windows, which are much more a desktop thing. Transparency also hits at floating pt. |
| 11:08.00 | file | I can't see the street |
| 11:08.06 | file | oh there it is |
| 11:08.16 | Xentac | picogui is mostly a GUI that implements scanline's cool ideas... |
| 11:08.16 | Xentac | ;o) |
| 11:08.19 | gonkulator | dekay: scanline is the guy that writes all this stuff |
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| 11:08.53 | gonkulator | dekay: scanline figures out weird ways of doing things that are fast and look "shiny" |
| 11:08.59 | Xentac | but you can turn it off for other machines... |
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| 11:13.14 | hikke | PicoBot: ! |
| 11:13.26 | PicoBot | hikke: i'm not following you... |
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| 11:13.34 | Xentac | PicoBot: welcome back |
| 11:13.34 | PicoBot | It's great to be back! |
| 11:13.40 | gonkulator | oh yeah, everything is a compile time option |
| 11:13.40 | file | people are going down my street on snowmobiles |
| 11:13.41 | gonkulator | file: quick shoot them |
| 11:13.41 | hikke | :) |
| 11:13.41 | file | they're going too fast! |
| 11:13.41 | ahnkana | wow, there are lot of people here today |
| 11:13.42 | Xentac | file: ha ha, silly maritimers |
| 11:13.42 | file | Xentac: hehe |
| 11:13.42 | dekay | Another question. Any internationalization capabilities? Looks to be all english and left to right text so far. |
| 11:13.42 | Xentac | ahnkana: check slashdot ;o) |
| 11:13.43 | ahnkana | file: where are you again? |
| 11:13.43 | gonkulator | dekay: it is internationalizationable |
| 11:13.44 | file | ahnkana: New Brunswick, Canada |
| 11:13.44 | ahnkana | Xentac: idiot moment....what is slashdot? |
| 11:13.44 | ahnkana | it's not a person |
| 11:13.44 | dekay | file: Ottawa. It is snowing like hell here too. |
| 11:13.45 | ahnkana | a channel? |
| 11:13.45 | file | http://www.slashdot.org/ |
| 11:13.45 | file | dekay: ic |
| 11:13.45 | gonkulator | dekay: it supports all sorts of cool stuff |
| 11:13.45 | Xentac | ahnkana: www.slashdot.org |
| 11:13.45 | Xentac | ahnkana: it's a geek news site... |
| 11:13.46 | ahnkana | aha |
| 11:13.46 | ahnkana | very good |
| 11:13.46 | file | my mom is in a cleaning mood again |
| 11:13.46 | dekay | Another q. Is pg fast right now or does it have the future potential to be fast, anticipating future optimizations??? |
| 11:13.46 | gonkulator | oh great... PicoGUI made slashdot... |
| 11:13.48 | gonkulator | ROFLMAO... thats why the SF site was down |
| 11:13.48 | Xentac | dekay: yes, and yes |
| 11:13.48 | ahnkana | brandon, that was the point, i think |
| 11:13.49 | gonkulator | dekay: embedded target means that it must be fast now |
| 11:13.49 | Xentac | scanline's C skills are unrivaled by many ;o) |
| 11:13.49 | ahnkana | lol |
| 11:13.50 | gonkulator | dekay: PicoGUI is really fast |
| 11:14.07 | dekay | This all looks very cool. I'll have to look into it further but sourceforge looks like it is getting smoked right now thanks to /. |
| 11:14.49 | Xentac | is it really all of SF? or just some of it that's down? |
| 11:15.32 | file | maybe nothing is down, it's just all our imagination |
| 11:15.36 | dekay | Some of it. I wanted to get a look at the mailing list archives. Fuggetaboutit. |
| 11:15.37 | ahnkana | alright, well you all are serious today, i have no ability to contribute, so i will visit back later |
| 11:15.41 | trippy | I got pgui from cvs an hour or two ago and had no trouble |
| 11:15.45 | gonkulator | later ahnkana |
| 11:15.50 | ahnkana | cya gonkulator |
| 11:15.53 | Xentac | ahnkana: I can't contribute either... trust me ;o) |
| 11:15.56 | Xentac | ahnkana: see ya |
| 11:16.02 | gonkulator | trippy: the http site is what is down |
| 11:16.12 | file | PICOGUI NEEDS MIRRORS! |
| 11:16.32 | file | *cough* |
| 11:16.33 | trippy | I had to look up the http site to find the cvs details :) What time is it in the states/canada? |
| 11:16.51 | stefp | picogui needs compiled package for people to test :) |
| 11:17.01 | dekay | 1:15 pm Eastern Std Time |
| 11:17.02 | Xentac | PST it's 10:17 |
| 11:17.17 | trippy | I can give one possibly. Can't get it up fast enough to help with the slashdot thing though, and after that you won't need it really |
| 11:17.44 | gonkulator | stefp: than you should make one |
| 11:17.48 | file | it's 2:21pm here |
| 11:17.58 | gonkulator | stefp: you know how to compile things, right? |
| 11:18.50 | dekay | One thing seems certain. scanline seems to pump out code like crazy judging from the news page. |
| 11:18.50 | trippy | Right, so calafornia is waking up to slashdot? |
| 11:18.50 | gonkulator | dekay: he is a bored college student :) |
| 11:18.53 | gonkulator | dekay: I kill his productivity every friday night by going up and playing pool with him :) |
| 11:19.17 | dekay | gonkulator: Don't do that :) |
| 11:19.46 | gonkulator | ahnkana: so :) |
| 11:20.08 | gonkulator | ahnkana: I produce huge amounts of philosophy (aka bull shit) in my free time |
| 11:20.39 | gonkulator | dekay: but but but... he is my best friend :) |
| 11:21.12 | dekay | gonkulator: Friends don't let friends stop hacking. |
| 11:21.27 | fragglet | nonsense |
| 11:21.40 | dekay | fragglet: Just kidding |
| 11:22.02 | gonkulator | fragglet: thank you :) |
| 11:22.48 | dekay | Interesting stuff. I think I'll check into it further once the /. effect subsides. |
| 11:22.52 | *** part/#picogui dekay (dk@216.209.185.191) |
| 11:25.31 | trippy | I thought sourceforge used mysql... now it has a powered by db2 logo up |
| 11:27.32 | gonkulator | hmm... |
| 11:27.41 | gonkulator | stupid non-free free software support |
| 11:28.44 | Xentac | hmmm... my network seems to have settled down again... |
| 11:28.48 | Xentac | oh wait... I spoke too soon... |
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| 11:29.39 | Xentac | am I still here...? ;o) |
| 11:29.52 | gonkulator | Xentac: I can see you :) |
| 11:29.57 | Xentac | good good |
| 11:30.04 | Xentac | hold on... dad's calling... be back in a while |
| 11:34.35 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 11:34.35 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 5 hours, 55 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: is away: need sleep [Sun Nov 17 05:42:36 2002] |
| 11:35.43 | bigthor_ | bye |
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| 11:42.25 | quarkquasar | hey everybody! there's been a pico/gui post on /., frontpage! |
| 11:42.32 | takkaria | we know. |
| 11:42.36 | fragglet | heh |
| 11:42.42 | quarkquasar | just a little news |
| 11:42.50 | takkaria | you've been slashdotted! |
| 11:42.50 | gonkulator | quarkquasar: I saw that |
| 11:43.17 | quarkquasar | i siad news for those who don't know |
| 11:43.19 | gonkulator | takkaria: yep... sourceforge is screwed :) |
| 11:43.34 | gonkulator | quarkquasar: there have been so many n00bz, its hard not to notice |
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| 11:45.24 | takkaria | bbl - eating |
| 11:48.06 | Xentac | back again |
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| 11:50.14 | Xentac | quick... what's the cvs address thing for freetype? anyone? |
| 11:51.26 | Xentac | anyone? |
| 11:52.36 | NitroPye | I was able to build all of the picogui stuff, now whats the best way to run it?? |
| 11:53.44 | Xentac | best way? |
| 11:53.53 | gonkulator | ./pgserver |
| 11:53.59 | file | type pgserver and hope it works? |
| 11:54.06 | gonkulator | ./pgserver -t pathToFluidityTheme |
| 11:55.22 | NitroPye | yea because when i do pgserver, it sits there and takes 90% of my cpu |
| 11:55.29 | NitroPye | nothing and i cant kill it |
| 11:55.42 | gonkulator | hmm... read the wiki and try again |
| 11:56.07 | NitroPye | ugh...i think it has something to do with the menuconfig options i choose |
| 11:56.51 | gonkulator | probably |
| 11:56.58 | gonkulator | play with it for a while |
| 12:00.44 | Xentac | woah... |
| 12:00.56 | gonkulator | Xentac: whats up? |
| 12:00.59 | gonkulator | network working? |
| 12:01.07 | Xentac | it's mostly working now... |
| 12:01.08 | Xentac | mostly... |
| 12:01.24 | gonkulator | what was wrong? |
| 12:01.30 | gonkulator | or was it a "give it time" fix |
| 12:01.38 | Xentac | give it time |
| 12:02.24 | quarkquasar | sf.net is down? oh man i was just going to get an account there today :( |
| 12:02.47 | Xentac | quarkquasar: you were going to make free software? |
| 12:02.52 | quarkquasar | yes |
| 12:03.03 | quarkquasar | an operating system |
| 12:03.14 | quarkquasar | caled Pacth/Link |
| 12:03.22 | quarkquasar | Patc/LInk |
| 12:03.26 | quarkquasar | damn it |
| 12:03.26 | Xentac | will it be POSIX compliant? |
| 12:03.41 | quarkquasar | hopefully |
| 12:03.44 | Xentac | have fun then |
| 12:03.46 | quarkquasar | probabaly |
| 12:04.31 | Xentac | no, you will have fun, dammit! |
| 12:04.32 | quarkquasar | a note: for a gui/server Patch/Link will use Pico/GUI |
| 12:04.45 | quarkquasar | ;) |
| 12:05.01 | quarkquasar | why do you think i'm here? |
| 12:05.35 | quarkquasar | i was actually thinking of using Merlin |
| 12:05.39 | Xentac | to bug me...? |
| 12:06.13 | gonkulator | Xentac: make that "us" |
| 12:06.33 | quarkquasar | ok fine i'll shut up |
| 12:06.39 | Xentac | damn... it's like 11 here... |
| 12:07.56 | gonkulator | Xentac: get an arcos |
| 12:08.06 | gonkulator | arcos == PC version of iPod |
| 12:08.39 | Xentac | I can't spend anything significant (like $40+) that isn't related to my motorcycle, or having fun... |
| 12:10.06 | quarkquasar | hmm, me use OggVorbis w/XMMS :) |
| 12:10.52 | Xentac | quarkquasar: and you carry around your desktop everywhere? do you carry a big battery as well? or a solar panel...? |
| 12:11.14 | quarkquasar | no i carry a laptop :) |
| 12:11.26 | Xentac | a cd player is much smaller |
| 12:11.26 | quarkquasar | running linux |
| 12:11.43 | quarkquasar | or my zaurus |
| 12:11.51 | Xentac | my zaurus doesn't have enough space on it... |
| 12:11.59 | Xentac | I'd be copying mp3s a couple cds at a time |
| 12:12.06 | file | I was going to reboot into Linux... |
| 12:12.11 | quarkquasar | two words, compact flash |
| 12:12.14 | Xentac | file: do it! you know you want to |
| 12:12.27 | file | my MP3 player takes MMC or SD... |
| 12:12.33 | Xentac | quarkquasar: a bunch of words. I have two of them, one 144meg one 128 meg... you didn't read my worlds |
| 12:12.40 | Xentac | s /world/word |
| 12:13.09 | quarkquasar | or use a MicroDrive |
| 12:13.20 | quarkquasar | needed to mension |
| 12:13.29 | quarkquasar | same here |
| 12:13.39 | file | so I don't have to drag my laptop to school |
| 12:13.58 | file | espically in this weather - I don't trust it |
| 12:17.02 | file | quarkquasar: You have a BeBox?!?!?!? |
| 12:17.07 | quarkquasar | yes |
| 12:17.12 | quarkquasar | surplus |
| 12:17.18 | quarkquasar | buyout |
| 12:17.22 | file | neat |
| 12:17.49 | quarkquasar | running BeOS 5.0 |
| 12:18.01 | merlin-bbiab | hi file |
| 12:18.51 | file | hey merlin |
| 12:19.03 | merlin262 | the raging slashdot hords are still here? |
| 12:19.09 | file | merlin262: affirmative. |
| 12:19.23 | merlin262 | and scanline is still in hiding? |
| 12:19.30 | file | scanline's current status: asleep. |
| 12:19.33 | merlin262 | PicoBot: annoy scanline |
| 12:19.34 | PicoBot | merlin262: sorry... |
| 12:19.59 | quarkquasar | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 12:19.59 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 6 hours, 40 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: is away: need sleep [Sun Nov 17 05:42:36 2002] |
| 12:20.56 | quarkquasar | well, he needs more than 6 hrs sleep, i sleep 9 hrs |
| 12:20.57 | file | quarkquasar: PSST, how much was the BeBox? |
| 12:21.16 | quarkquasar | $800 |
| 12:21.24 | quarkquasar | USD |
| 12:21.31 | file | ic |
| 12:21.44 | quarkquasar | had to save up |
| 12:21.52 | file | I bet. |
| 12:22.19 | quarkquasar | it was one of the good ones 50 mhz PPC |
| 12:22.58 | quarkquasar | dual |
| 12:23.01 | quarkquasar | also |
| 12:23.13 | quarkquasar | so 100 mhz 64-bit |
| 12:23.19 | quarkquasar | cool huh? |
| 12:23.24 | file | yes |
| 12:23.27 | takkaria | yak! |
| 12:24.06 | gonkulator | hey merlin262 |
| 12:24.07 | file | I dunno what to do... |
| 12:24.16 | gonkulator | merlin262: I heard that you did a great job with that tab widget |
| 12:24.32 | *** join/#picogui dekay (dk@Ottawa-ppp-199849.sympatico.ca) |
| 12:24.35 | quarkquasar | file: wake up scanline to annoy |
| 12:24.39 | gonkulator | wb dekay |
| 12:24.52 | dekay | gonkulator: howdy |
| 12:24.55 | merlin262 | gonkulator: GGGGGgggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 12:24.57 | takkaria | hi 'kay. |
| 12:25.04 | gonkulator | merlin262: I was just kidding :) |
| 12:25.09 | dekay | yo takkaria |
| 12:25.10 | merlin262 | :P |
| 12:25.18 | merlin262 | Really, my theory holds true |
| 12:25.25 | merlin262 | PicoBot: seen carpman |
| 12:25.25 | PicoBot | carpman was last seen on #picogui 15 hours, 42 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying: well, I'm going to go to bed. Get my strenth up for n00b killing tommorow. that and I'm tired enough to sleep in the IRC channel. Night all [Sat Nov 16 20:46:25 2002] |
| 12:25.52 | merlin262 | gonkulator: I see that both carpman and scanline have deserted us. :( |
| 12:26.08 | quarkquasar | bomb 'em |
| 12:26.12 | quarkquasar | ! |
| 12:26.24 | gonkulator | quarkquasar: you are one of the n00bz we were talking about |
| 12:26.25 | merlin262 | seriously, every time I'm about to get something done w/ picogui scanlien has a new screenshot saying he's already done it. |
| 12:26.37 | quarkquasar | no just bored |
| 12:26.55 | merlin262 | at least noone is claiming to be a C god and posting god awful code snippets. |
| 12:26.59 | gonkulator | merlin262: your best chance at doing ground breaking work w/ PicoGUI is in the pplication stuff |
| 12:27.17 | gonkulator | s/pp/ap |
| 12:27.20 | merlin262 | gonkulator: carpman and I are goign to be starting some kewl and nifty stuff |
| 12:27.33 | merlin262 | carpman already has the init scripts to Amarach almost function, IIRC. |
| 12:27.56 | gonkulator | ooooh shiny :) |
| 12:28.09 | merlin262 | yes, init scripts in python that use picogui.... |
| 12:28.16 | merlin262 | it's sick isn't it? but in a very pleasing way..,. |
| 12:28.33 | gonkulator | sweet hack are the words that come to mind |
| 12:29.50 | gonkulator | oh well |
| 12:30.53 | file | I'll brb - rebooting into Linux |
| 12:31.34 | merlin262 | someone should port wine to picogui |
| 12:32.04 | merlin262 | just trying to stir up some conversation. >:) |
| 12:32.31 | gonkulator | merlin262: what for? |
| 12:32.47 | merlin262 | gonkulator: boredom |
| 12:33.02 | gonkulator | merlin262: take a walk, have a nap |
| 12:33.06 | merlin262 | there's too much on-topic conversation going on in here. |
| 12:33.11 | gonkulator | don't hang out in here :) |
| 12:33.25 | merlin262 | PicoBot: emulate merlin262 |
| 12:33.25 | PicoBot | blehhhhhh or the |
| 12:33.33 | merlin262 | the? |
| 12:33.39 | gonkulator | don't ask me |
| 12:36.29 | dekay | On sourceforge, the pgui-devel mailing list shows up as "not yet archived". Is that really the case or a result of the /. effect???? |
| 12:36.55 | gonkulator | dekay: I dunno |
| 12:36.57 | merlin262 | sourceforge is currently moving servers/locations |
| 12:37.03 | gonkulator | ah |
| 12:37.42 | gonkulator | PicoGUI picked a bad day to hit slashdot :)) |
| 12:38.57 | *** join/#picogui file[linux] (~root@mctn1-3387.nb.aliant.net) |
| 12:40.01 | ahnkana | durg |
| 12:40.06 | file[linux] | I should install KDE |
| 12:40.22 | ahnkana | what is KDE? |
| 12:40.31 | gonkulator | Krappy Desktop Environment |
| 12:40.38 | file[linux] | hehe |
| 12:40.41 | file[linux] | I'm on Gnome right now |
| 12:40.46 | ahnkana | what is it really? |
| 12:41.13 | gonkulator | just a window manager that comes with a large number of apps |
| 12:41.49 | gonkulator | quarkquasar: explain window managers to ahnkana |
| 12:41.59 | quarkquasar | huh? me? |
| 12:42.11 | gonkulator | quarkquasar: yeah |
| 12:42.13 | gonkulator | good practice |
| 12:42.23 | quarkquasar | wjhy pick on me |
| 12:42.32 | gonkulator | because you haven't contributed, and this is your chance |
| 12:42.42 | gonkulator | and I am going to go eat |
| 12:42.50 | quarkquasar | ok, ahnkana |
| 12:44.07 | quarkquasar | window managers are systems that manage windows. 'nuff said. |
| 12:44.16 | quarkquasar | ok seriously |
| 12:45.28 | kungfuftr | quarkquasar-> failing rather dismally here |
| 12:45.31 | quarkquasar | wmers are networks of programs... oh man i'm not a teacher!!! |
| 12:45.50 | TD | ok |
| 12:45.51 | merlin262 | gonk[food]: you jerk, roflol.... :P |
| 12:45.51 | TD | look |
| 12:46.01 | TD | ahnkana: kde is a set of programs that provide a desktop environment |
| 12:46.13 | TD | it provides a panel, an explorer type application, some utilities and a developer framework |
| 12:46.14 | merlin262 | gonk[food]: fitting, in a sadistic and evil way. >:} |
| 12:46.28 | quarkquasar | thank you TD |
| 12:46.30 | TD | there's a similar one called gnome. perhaps one day there will be one for picogui |
| 12:46.51 | merlin262 | TD: one day very soon. >:} |
| 12:47.14 | TD | like how soon? |
| 12:47.21 | TD | i saw omnibar |
| 12:47.33 | merlin262 | pgl is the more important thing |
| 12:47.40 | kungfuftr | there's penzilla/oeone as well |
| 12:47.45 | TD | what is it? unfortunately i couldn't compile pgl |
| 12:48.06 | merlin262 | you need to install res_c first |
| 12:48.13 | merlin262 | there's also talk of a picogui based window manager |
| 12:48.21 | merlin262 | although carpman and I are still debating how to do it |
| 12:49.20 | kungfuftr | if you do, promise me to include application trapping (to workspace) |
| 12:50.33 | quarkquasar | damn that gonkulator, making me teach >:( |
| 12:50.50 | file[linux] | Installing package... |
| 12:51.07 | kungfuftr | merlin262-> wish i could help.. but i'm more of a perl man than c or the like |
| 12:51.41 | merlin262 | best to learn python, as that's the preferred language for scripting ... |
| 12:51.59 | merlin262 | a few of the guys in here are starting work on a picogui based distribution. |
| 12:52.18 | merlin262 | >:} |
| 12:52.18 | kungfuftr | but it's slow and the OO is rather nasty |
| 12:52.26 | TD | python is great |
| 12:52.37 | TD | i'm hoping to write a picogui front end for autopackage in python |
| 12:52.42 | TD | so you can realistically do graphical installs across the net |
| 12:52.43 | kungfuftr | perl6 looks to be great from what damian told us about it |
| 12:52.45 | dekay | merlin262: rpm based? deb? |
| 12:52.52 | merlin262 | dekay: new package manager |
| 12:53.00 | quarkquasar | i am the C man whoa, i am the C man, koko kajob (not bragging) |
| 12:53.53 | dekay | merlin262: source or binaries? both? Will it handle dependencies? |
| 12:54.09 | merlin262 | dekay: it allows for both. |
| 12:55.01 | file[linux] | KDe is installed - I think |
| 12:55.03 | file[linux] | er KDE |
| 12:55.05 | merlin262 | dekay: http://www.textux.com/distro/nxpkg.txt - a very old brainstorm that is being mostly followed. |
| 12:55.41 | file[linux] | now how do I use it... |
| 12:55.44 | danols | picogui.org down |
| 12:56.08 | dekay | merlin262: Goal #4 is fairly ambitious. |
| 12:56.14 | kungfuftr | X11, fluxbox |
| 12:56.32 | merlin262 | dekay: ;) |
| 12:56.41 | kungfuftr | although i'm intrested to see what the speed of picogui is like |
| 12:57.05 | gonk[food] | kungfuftr: buy a top of the line NVidia card and use the openGL driver |
| 12:57.18 | gonk[food] | see what happens |
| 12:57.25 | kungfuftr | ATI Radeon here i'm afraid |
| 12:58.10 | merlin262 | I dunno, the X11 rootless driver is my preference, :) |
| 12:58.26 | file[linux] | son of a macaroni and cheese |
| 12:59.15 | ahnkana | tired |
| 12:59.20 | dekay | later folks |
| 12:59.24 | *** part/#picogui dekay (dk@Ottawa-ppp-199849.sympatico.ca) |
| 12:59.29 | *** part/#picogui ahnkana (~Ahnkana@aden2-135-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU) |
| 12:59.43 | *** join/#picogui ahnkana (~Ahnkana@aden2-135-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU) |
| 13:00.13 | ahnkana | blah,blah, blah |
| 13:00.19 | merlin262 | ahnkana: blehhhhhhhh |
| 13:00.20 | gonk[food] | hi ahnkana |
| 13:00.25 | ahnkana | hi gonk[food] |
| 13:00.28 | ahnkana | hi merlin262 |
| 13:00.34 | merlin262 | hi ahnkana :) |
| 13:00.44 | ahnkana | gonk[food]: go eat then |
| 13:00.54 | ahnkana | stop talking to us chickens |
| 13:01.02 | ahnkana | and go eat some chicken, damn cannibal |
| 13:01.12 | merlin262 | gonk[food] is trying to eat, but is stuck with teh n00bs |
| 13:01.21 | ahnkana | the whos? |
| 13:01.29 | merlin262 | newbies |
| 13:01.33 | ahnkana | aha |
| 13:01.34 | ahnkana | at work? |
| 13:01.36 | ahnkana | haha |
| 13:01.37 | merlin262 | herte |
| 13:01.40 | ahnkana | sorry gonk[food] |
| 13:02.22 | gonk[food] | salright |
| 13:02.49 | ahnkana | to shower or not to shower, that is the question, i have a broomball game in two hours and i will shower afterwards, and yet, my heart (and the rest of me as well) long to become clean |
| 13:03.09 | ahnkana | i am not particually dirty, i am just obsessed with bathing when i wake up |
| 13:03.19 | ahnkana | hmm, tis a quandry |
| 13:04.00 | gonk[food] | you will be a better person if you don't shower until after broomball |
| 13:04.12 | ahnkana | gonk[food]: why? |
| 13:04.16 | ahnkana | cya quarkquasar |
| 13:04.17 | quarkquasar | well'p bye :) |
| 13:04.40 | gonk[food] | yay |
| 13:04.55 | gonk[food] | ahnkana: because it is hard |
| 13:05.03 | ahnkana | i suppose since we are technically in a drought, two showers in one day equals bad |
| 13:05.04 | gonk[food] | every time we do hard things, we grow for them |
| 13:05.06 | ahnkana | oh you mean mentally |
| 13:05.11 | ahnkana | damn you gonk[food] |
| 13:05.14 | ahnkana | lol |
| 13:05.38 | ahnkana | only you would see a lack of cleanliness to a cleanly obsessed person as a growing experience |
| 13:05.49 | ahnkana | i am never going to grow anywya, lol, so ther |
| 13:06.35 | ahnkana | brb |
| 13:07.15 | kungfuftr | bah! automake |
| 13:09.43 | ahnkana | gonk[nap]: good idea |
| 13:10.03 | fragglet | yay |
| 13:10.29 | merlin262 | PicoBot: autoconf |
| 13:10.30 | PicoBot | autoconf is an evil incarnated from the seventh circle of hell, that knows no bounds or limits, possessing software projects, and bringing great sadness to the hearts of all programmers. |
| 13:11.36 | ahnkana[gone] | PicoBot: ahnkana[gone]? |
| 13:11.36 | PicoBot | ahnkana[gone]: i haven't a clue |
| 13:11.39 | ahnkana[gone] | hehe |
| 13:11.47 | ahnkana[gone] | right on |
| 13:12.04 | kungfuftr | PicoBot-> bite me |
| 13:12.04 | PicoBot | kungfuftr: i'm not following you... |
| 13:12.26 | ahnkana[gone] | PicoBot: attract kungfuftr |
| 13:12.27 | PicoBot | ahnkana[gone]: excuse me? |
| 13:12.30 | ahnkana[gone] | damn it |
| 13:12.31 | ahnkana[gone] | lol |
| 13:12.44 | fragglet | PicoBot: attract guys |
| 13:13.01 | merlin262 | PicoBot: attract merlin262 |
| 13:13.02 | ahnkana[gone] | PicoBot: attract girls |
| 13:13.12 | ahnkana[gone] | that only works for danols |
| 13:13.14 | ahnkana[gone] | opps |
| 13:13.16 | merlin262 | PicoBot: merlin262 |
| 13:13.16 | PicoBot | you are the creator of the Death and SDL version of sasteroids. or has NO FSCKING MERCY!!!!! or prejudiced against all stupid people. or unable to come up with a name for the nameless distro |
| 13:13.16 | fragglet | PicoBot: attract danols |
| 13:13.17 | PicoBot | fragglet: huh? |
| 13:13.21 | ahnkana[gone] | devgirl |
| 13:13.25 | fragglet | PicoBot: attract devgirl |
| 13:13.38 | fragglet | PicoBot bounce |
| 13:13.38 | PicoBot | boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing |
| 13:13.38 | ahnkana[gone] | lol |
| 13:13.42 | merlin262 | PicoBot: scanline |
| 13:13.43 | PicoBot | scanline is probably one with less memory than a Cybiko or a dingo that needs shaving or the master of whistling to modems or a non-dingo that no longer needs shaving or now clean shaven or obsessed with hot sauce or not one to eat ramens without both water and hot sauce in them or the coiner of the word "biologicality" or shiny on the webcam or deaf or nobody's bitch or a thesaurus or a forgetful drunk |
| 13:13.52 | merlin262 | scanline is also hates teh n00bs |
| 13:13.58 | merlin262 | PicoBot: scanline is also hates teh n00bs |
| 13:13.58 | PicoBot | that is too long, merlin262 |
| 13:14.01 | fragglet | haha |
| 13:14.03 | merlin262 | :( |
| 13:14.08 | fragglet | PicoBot forget scanline |
| 13:14.09 | PicoBot | fragglet: I forgot scanline |
| 13:14.17 | fragglet | PicoBot: scanline is our genius leader who hates the n00bs |
| 13:14.18 | PicoBot | i don't know, fragglet |
| 13:14.30 | fragglet | PicoBot: scanline is our genius leader and hates the n00bs |
| 13:14.30 | PicoBot | OK, fragglet. |
| 13:14.32 | ahnkana[gone] | fragglet: what did you do |
| 13:14.33 | merlin262 | PicoBot: scanline |
| 13:14.33 | PicoBot | i think scanline is our genius leader and hates the n00bs |
| 13:14.40 | fragglet | ahnkana[gone]: ? |
| 13:14.43 | ahnkana[gone] | lol |
| 13:14.50 | ahnkana[gone] | you erased scanline |
| 13:14.51 | merlin262 | you've killed scanline's quoet! |
| 13:14.52 | ahnkana[gone] | lol |
| 13:15.01 | ahnkana[gone] | bad fragglet |
| 13:15.19 | fragglet | PicoBot forget ahnkana |
| 13:15.19 | PicoBot | fragglet: I forgot ahnkana |
| 13:15.21 | fragglet | ha! |
| 13:15.26 | ahnkana[gone] | oh no! |
| 13:15.45 | ahnkana[gone] | PicoBot: insult fragglet |
| 13:15.46 | PicoBot | fragglet is nothing but an halfbaked accumulation of pribbling cold sores. |
| 13:15.52 | fragglet | PicoBot: ahnkana is not a fan of grits and she hates kergoth (just kidding) or scanline's roommate's girlfriend |
| 13:15.52 | PicoBot | OK, fragglet. |
| 13:16.10 | fragglet | PicoBot fragglet? |
| 13:16.11 | PicoBot | you are, like, at http://fraggle.alkali.org/cam/ or sees dead people or the grand abuser of ibots |
| 13:16.17 | fragglet | PicoBot attract ibot |
| 13:16.18 | PicoBot | ibot: wink wink |
| 13:16.18 | | PicoBot: hubba hubba |
| 13:16.36 | *** join/#picogui file[KDE] (~root@mctn1-0597.nb.aliant.net) |
| 13:16.36 | ahnkana[gone] | ibot: attract PicoBot |
| 13:16.36 | | ACTION waves a 200GB hard drive around! |
| 13:16.37 | file[KDE] | mmm |
| 13:16.51 | merlin262 | oops |
| 13:16.54 | fragglet | PicoBot hug |
| 13:17.08 | ahnkana[gone] | PicoBot: poke |
| 13:17.15 | fragglet | picobot poke poke |
| 13:17.15 | PicoBot | quit that! |
| 13:17.15 | fragglet | picobot poke poke poke |
| 13:17.16 | PicoBot | STOP POKING ME |
| 13:17.16 | merlin262 | PicoBot: poke poke poke |
| 13:17.17 | PicoBot | STOP POKING ME |
| 13:17.18 | fragglet | picobot poke poke poke poke |
| 13:17.23 | kungfuftr | any picogui users on a debian system at all? |
| 13:17.31 | ahnkana[gone] | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke |
| 13:17.39 | merlin262 | kungfuftr: why, is there a problem? |
| 13:17.58 | ahnkana[gone] | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke poke poke |
| 13:17.58 | PicoBot | ahnkana[gone]: what? |
| 13:18.02 | ahnkana[gone] | damn |
| 13:18.03 | ahnkana[gone] | k |
| 13:18.04 | danols | anyone noticed picogui down ? |
| 13:18.13 | kungfuftr | well, trying to get past having to use automake |
| 13:18.14 | merlin262 | sourceforge is moving servers |
| 13:18.28 | danols | merlin262: yep, what's the direct link ? |
| 13:18.28 | merlin262 | ./autogen.sh doesn't work/ |
| 13:19.54 | kungfuftr | nope |
| 13:20.02 | merlin262 | danols: I'm not sure... |
| 13:20.08 | danols | that's ok |
| 13:20.25 | kungfuftr | bah! autogen.sh:error: while running automake -a |
| 13:20.25 | merlin262 | OMG! They killed Sourceforge! |
| 13:20.58 | merlin262 | kungfuftr: try upgrading or downgrading automake, which just might work |
| 13:20.58 | fragglet | gnu bastards! |
| 13:21.48 | kungfuftr | oh... that was more successful |
| 13:22.06 | fragglet | PicoBot: gnu? |
| 13:22.06 | PicoBot | well, gnu is pretty close to the definition for a UNIX, but it's Not UNIX :) |
| 13:23.17 | Keyser[zzz] | PicoBot: Unix isn't UNIX, it's Unix |
| 13:23.18 | PicoBot | Keyser[zzz]: huh? |
| 13:23.36 | fragglet | PicoBot: gnu =~ s/UNIX/Unix/ |
| 13:23.37 | PicoBot | OK, fragglet |
| 13:23.38 | fragglet | PicoBot: gnu =~ s/UNIX/Unix/ |
| 13:23.38 | PicoBot | OK, fragglet |
| 13:23.39 | fragglet | PicoBot: gnu =~ s/UNIX/Unix/ |
| 13:23.39 | PicoBot | OK, fragglet |
| 13:23.39 | Keyser[zzz] | PicoBot: It's not an acronym, don't write it in all caps |
| 13:23.40 | PicoBot | Keyser[zzz]: what? |
| 13:23.41 | ahnkana[gone] | PicoBot: gnu is also a very ugly bird native to australia |
| 13:23.41 | PicoBot | okay, ahnkana[gone]. |
| 13:23.48 | ahnkana[gone] | PicoBot: gnu? |
| 13:23.50 | PicoBot | gnu is pretty close to the definition for a Unix, but it's Not UNIX :) or a very ugly bird native to australia |
| 13:24.03 | ahnkana[gone] | yea |
| 13:24.10 | Keyser[zzz] | PicoBot: gnu =~ s/UNIX/Unix/ |
| 13:24.10 | PicoBot | OK, Keyser[zzz] |
| 13:24.13 | fragglet | PicoBot: gnu =~ s/Not Unix/Not Unix/ |
| 13:24.14 | PicoBot | OK, fragglet |
| 13:24.22 | fragglet | PicoBot: gnu? |
| 13:24.23 | PicoBot | gnu is pretty close to the definition for a Unix, but it's Not Unix :) or a very ugly bird native to australia |
| 13:25.10 | *** join/#picogui hdcool (~hdcool@D5E0099B.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 13:25.11 | hdcool | hi again :) |
| 13:25.18 | hdcool | is it safe already? :p |
| 13:25.24 | fragglet | heh |
| 13:25.36 | fragglet | is it safe? is it secret? |
| 13:25.41 | fragglet | </gandalf> |
| 13:26.00 | hdcool | <whoisgandalf> |
| 13:26.03 | hdcool | </whoisgandalf> |
| 13:26.04 | hdcool | :) |
| 13:31.02 | Xentac | go file[KDE], go file[KDE], go |
| 13:31.04 | merlin262 | hdcool: you really don't know who gandolf is? |
| 13:31.07 | Xentac | hey... wait a sec... KDE? |
| 13:31.09 | Xentac | eewwww... |
| 13:31.23 | file[KDE] | lol |
| 13:31.26 | file[KDE] | KDE is good |
| 13:31.26 | hdcool | i use fluxbox |
| 13:31.26 | hdcool | :) |
| 13:31.35 | kungfuftr | fluxbox++ |
| 13:31.36 | file[KDE] | this is an old version though |
| 13:31.40 | file[KDE] | KDE 1.9 I think |
| 13:31.43 | file[KDE] | yeah, 1.9.1 |
| 13:31.51 | merlin262 | ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 13:32.16 | merlin262 | yes, i'm from Texas. *spits* |
| 13:32.21 | Xentac | mwahahaha |
| 13:32.31 | Xentac | merlin262: remind me never to visit you, lest I get shot |
| 13:33.10 | NonToxic | I'm awake! What did I miss? |
| 13:33.21 | merlin262 | NonToxic: the raging hordes of slashdot |
| 13:33.21 | Keyser[zzz] | Xentac: never ask someone if they are from Texas. If they are, they'll tell you. If not, why embarass them? |
| 13:33.22 | Xentac | NonToxic: everything! |
| 13:33.35 | Xentac | Keyser[zzz]: hehehe. merlin262 never told me.. |
| 13:33.36 | NonToxic | I got the Slashdotting... Any people actually come in here? |
| 13:33.45 | Xentac | NonToxic: yup |
| 13:33.50 | NonToxic | Oh. |
| 13:33.53 | merlin262 | the raging hordes |
| 13:34.05 | merlin262 | I think carpman is hiding |
| 13:34.32 | hdcool | ah shit, that reminds me, i didn't see southpark :p |
| 13:34.35 | merlin262 | TD: do you work on/with mozilla? |
| 13:35.00 | Xentac | NonToxic: why did you decide to join #picogui...? |
| 13:35.45 | NonToxic | Xentac: I saw on #wopn that someone told scanline that you got slashdotted, and also, I like toying around with new apps. |
| 13:35.46 | NonToxic | =) |
| 13:35.55 | Xentac | hehehe, I see |
| 13:37.35 | merlin262 | PicoBot: scanline |
| 13:37.35 | PicoBot | scanline is probably our genius leader and hates the n00bs |
| 13:37.50 | Xentac | bwahahaha |
| 13:37.56 | merlin262 | PicoBot: forget scanline |
| 13:37.56 | PicoBot | merlin262: I forgot scanline |
| 13:38.04 | merlin262 | PicoBot: scanline is one with less memory than a Cybiko or a dingo that needs shaving or the master of whistling to modems or now clean shaven or obsessed with hot sauce or not one to eat ramens without both water and hot sauce in them or the coiner of the word "biologicality" or shiny on the webcam or deaf or nobody's bitch or a thesaurus or a forgetful drunk or genius leader who hates teh n00bs. |
| 13:38.05 | PicoBot | wish i knew, merlin262 |
| 13:38.12 | takkaria | KDE - ewwww |
| 13:38.15 | fragglet | muhahah |
| 13:38.17 | merlin262 | PicoBot: you biatch |
| 13:38.17 | PicoBot | merlin262: excuse me? |
| 13:38.26 | Xentac | merlin262: want I should fix it? |
| 13:38.43 | merlin262 | hrm... |
| 13:38.46 | merlin262 | sure Xentac |
| 13:39.04 | Xentac | PicoBot: scanline is one with less memory than a Cybiko or a dingo that needs shaving or the master of whistling to modems or now clean shaven or obsessed with hot sauce or not one to eat ramens without both water and hot sauce in them or the coiner of the word "biologicality" or shiny on the webcam or deaf or nobody's bitch or a thesaurus or a forgetful drunk or genius leader who \hates the n00bs. |
| 13:39.04 | PicoBot | xentac: no idea |
| 13:39.07 | Xentac | hmmm... |
| 13:39.13 | Xentac | er... |
| 13:39.14 | Xentac | bah! |
| 13:39.18 | merlin262 | PicoBot: you biatch is <reply>Bite Me. |
| 13:39.18 | PicoBot | OK, merlin262. |
| 13:39.20 | Xentac | PicoBot: scanline is one with less memory than a Cybiko or a dingo that needs shaving or the master of whistling to modems or now clean shaven or obsessed with hot sauce or not one to eat ramens without both water and hot sauce in them or the coiner of the word "biologicality" or shiny on the webcam or deaf or nobody's bitch or a thesaurus or a forgetful drunk or genius leader \who hates the n00bs. |
| 13:39.21 | PicoBot | OK, Xentac. |
| 13:39.26 | merlin262 | PicoBot: you biatch |
| 13:39.26 | PicoBot | merlin262: excuse me? |
| 13:39.37 | *** join/#picogui Cambo (~ask@cm216036134242.westman.wave.ca) |
| 13:39.42 | merlin262 | PicoBot: you biatch is <reply> Bite Me. |
| 13:39.42 | PicoBot | ...but you biatch is <reply>Bite Me.... |
| 13:39.51 | merlin262 | PicoBot: forget you biatch |
| 13:39.51 | PicoBot | merlin262: I forgot you biatch |
| 13:39.55 | fragglet | PicoBot: scanline is one with less memory than a Cybiko or a dingo that needs shaving or the master of whistling to modems or now clean shaven or obsessed with hot sauce or not one to eat ramens without both water and hot sauce in them or the coiner of the word "biologicality" or shiny on the webcam or deaf or nobody's bitch or a thesaurus or a forgetful drunk or genius leader \who hates the n00bs |
| 13:39.55 | PicoBot | ...but scanline is one with less memory than a Cybiko or a dingo that needs shaving or the master of whistling to modems or now clean shaven or obsessed with hot sauce or not one to eat ramens without both water and hot sauce in them or the coiner of the word "biologicality" or shiny on the webcam or deaf or nobody's bitch or a thesaurus or a forgetful drunk or genius leader who hates the n00bs.... |
| 13:40.07 | merlin262 | PicoBot: you biatch is <reply> Bite Me. |
| 13:40.07 | PicoBot | OK, merlin262. |
| 13:40.09 | fragglet | ah xentac beat me.. |
| 13:40.11 | merlin262 | PicoBot: you biatch |
| 13:40.11 | PicoBot | merlin262: sorry... |
| 13:40.16 | Xentac | fragglet: I got it, after I escaped the right word ;o) |
| 13:40.17 | merlin262 | PicoBot: forget you biatch |
| 13:40.17 | PicoBot | merlin262: I forgot you biatch |
| 13:40.26 | merlin262 | PicoBot: biatch is <reply> Bite Me. |
| 13:40.26 | PicoBot | OK, merlin262. |
| 13:40.48 | merlin262 | Xentac: oic |
| 13:40.50 | merlin262 | PicoBot: biatch |
| 13:40.51 | PicoBot | Bite Me. |
| 13:40.54 | merlin262 | :D |
| 13:41.23 | Xentac | merlin262: I bet he's converting the you... |
| 13:41.28 | Xentac | PicoBot: you biatch is <reply> bite me |
| 13:41.28 | PicoBot | OK, Xentac. |
| 13:41.31 | Xentac | PicoBot: picobot biatch |
| 13:41.32 | PicoBot | Xentac: what? |
| 13:41.34 | Xentac | hmmm... |
| 13:41.36 | Xentac | maybe not... |
| 13:41.40 | Xentac | PicoBot: xentac biatch |
| 13:41.41 | PicoBot | Xentac: i'm not following you... |
| 13:41.45 | Xentac | hmmm... guess not ;o) |
| 13:41.52 | Xentac | PicoBot: \you biatch |
| 13:41.52 | PicoBot | Xentac: excuse me? |
| 13:41.53 | merlin262 | PicoBot: your stupid |
| 13:41.54 | PicoBot | I may be stupid but I know the difference between "your" and "you're". or fragglet's stupid |
| 13:42.02 | Xentac | PicoBot: forget you biatch |
| 13:42.03 | PicoBot | Xentac: I forgot you biatch |
| 13:46.13 | TD | merlin262: i have done |
| 13:51.40 | *** join/#picogui TD (~chatzilla@81-6-248-49.fw.gotadsl.co.uk) |
| 13:54.19 | TD | you don't like free publicity? |
| 13:54.33 | scanline | no |
| 13:54.40 | fragglet | scanline hates the n00bs! |
| 13:54.42 | TD | why not? |
| 13:55.04 | fragglet | picobot, attack! |
| 13:55.16 | scanline | slashdot is the worst sort of breeding ground for stupidity, misinformation, and misguided argument |
| 13:55.17 | takkaria | picobot, shush |
| 13:55.17 | PicoBot | takkaria: i'm not following you... |
| 13:55.26 | takkaria | good. let it stay that way. |
| 13:55.46 | scanline | oh good, it's off the front page |
| 13:55.50 | kungfuftr | bah... sdlfb.c:39: SDL/SDL.h: No such file or directory |
| 13:56.00 | TD | scanline: better that it's out in the open where peoples misinterpretations can be corrected, rather than people just thinking stuff and never being corrected |
| 13:56.09 | TD | anyway, you might get some more developers out of it |
| 13:56.10 | TD | who knows? |
| 13:56.24 | scanline | heh |
| 13:56.24 | D_mon | it got my attention :) |
| 13:56.38 | TD | at the very least you might get people writing more apps for it. |
| 13:57.02 | TD | lots of people slag off slashdot, but really it's just a reflection of the real world. ie some people know stuff and have interesting things to say, and most don't |
| 13:57.03 | kungfuftr | what's the perl API like? |
| 13:57.31 | scanline | kungfuftr: needs a lot of work |
| 13:59.34 | kungfuftr | what does picogui require from libsdl? |
| 13:59.53 | scanline | well, assuming you're using the sdlfb video driver, it requires a lot of things... |
| 13:59.57 | stefp | scanline... does it ring a bell: /home/stef/picogui-0.42/pgserver/video/x11.c:632: undefined reference to `x11input_regfunc'? |
| 14:00.10 | scanline | stefp: enable the x11input driver |
| 14:00.17 | stefp | thx scanline |
| 14:00.21 | scanline | np |
| 14:08.34 | stefp | Ok, I get a picogui X-based frame. I dont know much about automake et al. How I compile the wclock appli? |
| 14:08.57 | scanline | run ./configure in the 'apps' directory |
| 14:09.37 | stefp | oki |
| 14:10.52 | Xentac | scanline: I noticed that the version of scummvm built on oz3 needs picogui... |
| 14:10.54 | Xentac | oh wait... |
| 14:11.02 | Xentac | kergoth: I noticed that the version of scummvm built on oz3 needs picogui... |
| 14:11.10 | Xentac | what's up with that? |
| 14:13.44 | TD | hmm, how active is fresco these days anyway? |
| 14:14.01 | TD | last time i looked into that it seemed to be moving pretty slowly |
| 14:14.45 | scanline | yeah |
| 14:14.49 | scanline | PicoBot: seen lalo? |
| 14:14.49 | PicoBot | lalo was last seen on #picogui 14 hours, 27 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: and good luck with the slashdotters ;-) [Sat Nov 16 23:50:51 2002] |
| 14:14.52 | scanline | PicoBot: seen carpman? |
| 14:14.53 | PicoBot | carpman was last seen on #picogui 17 hours, 31 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying: well, I'm going to go to bed. Get my strenth up for n00b killing tommorow. that and I'm tired enough to sleep in the IRC channel. Night all [Sat Nov 16 20:46:25 2002] |
| 14:15.00 | scanline | ha |
| 14:15.33 | TD | i sense a general theme here with respect to n00bs |
| 14:16.07 | scanline | well, mainly to the kind we expect to come from slashdot... |
| 14:16.43 | TD | i dunno what the big fuss is about. reading the thread now (it's still on the main page for me btw) most of the comments i see seem to be fairly intelligent |
| 14:16.47 | kungfuftr | *blink* i'm here with trippy |
| 14:17.23 | scanline | TD: the people here that actually know how picogui works don't think so |
| 14:17.37 | scanline | hell, picogui isn't even designed to replace X, the headline of the story is wrong! |
| 14:18.00 | TD | yeah, i was talking about the comments as opposed to the story itself |
| 14:18.51 | scanline | So was I |
| 14:18.51 | TD | actually most of the comments are about X |
| 14:19.18 | TD | hmm yeah, it's meant to produce scaleable guis right. from portable to desktop |
| 14:19.42 | TD | i can see why people might think that |
| 14:20.29 | scanline | It is true that picogui is meant to be scalable |
| 14:20.31 | TD | you even comment on it yourself.... |
| 14:20.44 | TD | "Once PicoGUI has drivers for DirectFB or some other acceleration backend, and a way to run X apps in an emulation mode, it should be able to completely replace X." |
| 14:21.03 | TD | and "I didn't originally intend PicoGUI to be a primary GUI for desktop computers", so I can see why people might get the idea it could be used as an X replacement |
| 14:21.06 | TD | anyway, it's fun to daydream |
| 14:21.28 | scanline | I never said picogui on desktops was a bad thing |
| 14:22.19 | scanline | what I'm annoyed at are people thinking it has to replace X in the sense that it runs X apps, or people that get mad at me because they think I'm doing linux some sort of harm by writing a GUI that has absolutely nothing to do with X, Gtk, Qt, or anything else |
| 14:23.12 | TD | oh sure, I can see why that would be irritating. most of those comments have disappeared now (got modded down). One question, is/will pg be able to things like split a client 1->many servers? or switch clients seamlessly between servers? |
| 14:23.43 | scanline | hopefully. We've thought about doing that |
| 14:24.06 | scanline | and with picogui's architecutre, you could have the application look completely different on each of the servers it's running on :) |
| 14:24.33 | TD | heh, yeah, I realized that. how does an app do direct rendering? |
| 14:24.48 | TD | does it have low level drawing primitives a la X? I assume it must do, there is a scribble demo |
| 14:25.06 | scanline | yeah, there is a canvas widget for arbitrary drawing, plus it supports SHM bitmaps |
| 14:25.48 | TD | so you draw onto the canvas widget by sending the widget messages? also does the protocol support extensions? also when will the core protocol be frozen? |
| 14:25.59 | TD | :) ok, i was wrong, not only 1 question |
| 14:26.21 | kungfuftr | scanline-> though about getting any SVG support at all? |
| 14:26.28 | scanline | Well, the protocol is extensible, but it doesn't make a distinction between a 'core protocol' and 'extensions' like X does |
| 14:26.48 | scanline | kungfuftr: yeah, SVG could be implemented in a bitmap format loader just like JPEG or PNG is now |
| 14:26.57 | TD | kungfuftr: i've been thinking recently about a purely xml based display server actually |
| 14:27.02 | TD | kind of why my ears pricked up at this |
| 14:27.12 | scanline | ugh. purely XML based why? |
| 14:27.21 | TD | so you have a protocol that simply synchronizes 2 doms across process boundaries, then allows xml events to traverse through them |
| 14:27.24 | TD | not the protocol |
| 14:27.26 | TD | i mean the data model |
| 14:27.35 | TD | the protocol would be binary based i was thinking |
| 14:27.48 | TD | the data model happens to be quite good for laying out guis, a la xul. |
| 14:27.49 | scanline | XML is really too limited for that IMO |
| 14:27.56 | TD | how so? |
| 14:28.23 | TD | ie the widgets can go xul -> svg to be rendered, skins become sets of transforms |
| 14:28.55 | kungfuftr | well, one of the benefits of using something like SVG is that you can change what the image does on the fly (depending how you implement the support) |
| 14:29.09 | TD | kungfuftr: how do you mean? |
| 14:29.10 | scanline | TD: but what's the point? |
| 14:29.27 | TD | i've just been using svg to implement a mapping app at work, it's just vectors |
| 14:29.49 | kungfuftr | TD-> hhhmmm.... animation a la xml? |
| 14:29.51 | TD | scanline: it gives you quite a bit of flexibility. you can start with xul, but then if you want a greater layer of abstractions, say just a general data model system like xforms you've got freedom to experiment with that |
| 14:30.01 | TD | plus it allows pluggable renders, so you can embed say mathml for equations |
| 14:30.13 | TD | gecko can do this today and it does it well, but not really fast or small enough for a display server |
| 14:30.34 | scanline | could be interesting |
| 14:30.48 | TD | kungfuftr: oh, you mean the animation elements. well yeah, you could, but it greatly complicates the implementations |
| 14:31.01 | kungfuftr | ^_^ i know, but it would be fun |
| 14:31.18 | kungfuftr | <-- ex application skinner |
| 14:31.26 | scanline | ugh.. skins |
| 14:31.36 | TD | right, it was just basic daydreaming really. i like the flexibilty of namespaced xml, plus of course much of the work has been done for you. xml events is a well defined spec that gives you a complete event flow model ready made effectively |
| 14:31.51 | TD | lol. that's rich coming from you. or is the idea that nothing should have individual looks? |
| 14:32.04 | scanline | ? |
| 14:32.24 | TD | "ugh skins", but picogui supports scripts in the themes i think right? |
| 14:32.25 | kungfuftr | don't forget that xml will also allow you to make sure that it's valid before allowing you to do stuff with it |
| 14:32.31 | TD | kungfuftr: not concerned about validity |
| 14:32.37 | kungfuftr | bah... tired |
| 14:32.41 | TD | by making it validate against a dtd you restrict a lot of stuff you can do |
| 14:33.00 | kungfuftr | then write your own dtd |
| 14:33.02 | kungfuftr | ^_^ |
| 14:33.05 | scanline | TD: something like that, but that's a consistent model for everything rather than something completely alien (for the GUI and for the user) implemented by one app |
| 14:33.44 | TD | kungfuftr: i meant future proofing. today we just want guis with buttons, tomorrow we may want guis with mathml in it, the day after perhaps ChemML as well etc. dtds make that harder |
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| 14:34.07 | kungfuftr | far point |
| 14:34.11 | kungfuftr | air* |
| 14:34.13 | kungfuftr | fair* |
| 14:34.18 | kungfuftr | BAH!!! |
| 14:35.00 | kungfuftr | must have a chat again with my sgml, xml, etc friend |
| 14:35.37 | TD | i don't really care about the xmlness of it |
| 14:35.49 | TD | if i was going to do this and found xml didn't have something i needed, i'd break compatability |
| 14:36.10 | TD | it's the data model i find interesting, ie hierarchy of nodes with extensible apis on those nodes, event flow, styling linked in etc |
| 14:36.19 | TD | no need for it to be actually xml however |
| 14:36.32 | kungfuftr | you shouldn't need to as xml allows you to incorporate pretty much whatever you want |
| 14:36.43 | TD | scanline: i did run the widget foundry yes, i need to look at it more |
| 14:36.58 | TD | i was just going through the demos earlier, but i had work to do and was only brief |
| 14:37.00 | scanline | TD: well, the widget foundry doesn't do anything useful yet |
| 14:37.19 | TD | it seemed to be similar to glade? |
| 14:37.28 | scanline | yeah, kinda |
| 14:37.38 | scanline | I haven't looked at glade in much detail |
| 14:37.54 | scanline | The XML format is simple but effective |
| 14:38.25 | scanline | <toolbar> <button font=":20">Hello</button> </toolbar> |
| 14:38.26 | TD | the glade xml format is very gtk specific |
| 14:38.43 | TD | yeah. have you looked at XUL? that's an xml ui language that has had a lot of experience put into it |
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| 14:38.54 | TD | its design changed several times as they worked towards 1.0 |
| 14:39.11 | TD | on the other hand it was designed to be processed by a generic xml rendering engine |
| 14:39.15 | scanline | haven't looked at XUL |
| 14:39.33 | scanline | but this XML format for picogui is just an XML layer over picogui's widget model, so it isn't really a new format |
| 14:39.37 | TD | rather than act as instructions to create widgets, so it may be a little complex for your needs. no need to reinvent the wheel if not however |
| 14:40.14 | kungfuftr | xul is rather large and i wouldn't want to run it on something like an embedded system though |
| 14:40.15 | scanline | it's not that it's "a little complex" for my needs, it's solving a completely different problem |
| 14:40.16 | Phactorial | scanline: http://www.xulnotes.com in case you are interested, it offers all the info you need |
| 14:40.29 | scanline | I have no need for XUL |
| 14:40.32 | Phactorial | TD: I used XUL For one of my clients... |
| 14:40.41 | Phactorial | TD: The end product was nice, but it is too bloated (I hate the "packaging" scheme it has) |
| 14:40.43 | TD | how does it solve a different problem? they are both gui layout in xml |
| 14:40.52 | TD | Phactorial: that's confusing the mozilla implementation with xul itself |
| 14:40.58 | TD | xul is just a language. gecko is rather large yes |
| 14:41.20 | scanline | TD: XUL tries to be a complete GUI language, picogui's XWTs are only for widgets |
| 14:41.40 | scanline | TD: picogui has a well defined separation between what's handled by the app or XWT, and what's handled by themes |
| 14:41.42 | Phactorial | TD: Probably am (it was just the packaging that made it annoying), XUL itself was sweet I found |
| 14:42.46 | TD | scanline: i think some concepts are similar though. for instance they both use box/flow based layout. xul also has elements like <button> <toolbar> and so on. of course you don't need all the elements it defines |
| 14:42.53 | TD | it may be worth examining however, to see how others have done it |
| 14:43.04 | scanline | TD: no, I don't use a box/flow based layout |
| 14:43.28 | TD | no? sorry, i must have missed that part. i looked at some of the tutorials |
| 14:43.34 | TD | just look at it, that's all |
| 14:43.39 | scanline | XWTs arleady handle everything I need them to |
| 14:43.52 | scanline | it takes about 80 lines of code to read them |
| 14:44.16 | TD | ok then, if you already have an implementation that works easily that's great |
| 14:47.35 | Phactorial | scanline: Disregard my pm, I just saw your post out there ;| |
| 14:47.45 | scanline | post? |
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| 14:48.28 | file[linux] | boo |
| 14:48.34 | gonk[nap] | hi scanline |
| 14:48.37 | file[linux] | now - to download PicoGUI! |
| 14:48.51 | scanline | hi gonkulator! |
| 14:49.13 | Phactorial | scanline: On slashdot, I thought you didn't read that post ;) Stupid me didn't find your post in there, so just disregard those dumb pms |
| 14:49.23 | takkaria | hi root |
| 14:49.34 | file[linux] | oh cripes I forgot |
| 14:49.37 | file[linux] | SF is down isn't it? |
| 14:49.53 | TD | hehe. yeah, the picogui website is yes |
| 14:50.07 | TD | i was just going to go learn more about the layout model used, but i'll have to do it tomorrow |
| 14:50.11 | file[linux] | just my luck |
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| 14:59.05 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen carpman |
| 14:59.05 | PicoBot | carpman was last seen on #picogui 18 hours, 15 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: well, I'm going to go to bed. Get my strenth up for n00b killing tommorow. that and I'm tired enough to sleep in the IRC channel. Night all [Sat Nov 16 20:46:25 2002] |
| 15:00.01 | Tux889 | hi gonkulator |
| 15:00.28 | gonkulator | hello Tux889 |
| 15:00.37 | Tux889 | whats up? |
| 15:00.50 | gonkulator | I just woke up |
| 15:01.09 | Tux889 | cool, good sleep? |
| 15:01.46 | Phactorial | Is there a QNX port of PicoGUI? |
| 15:01.52 | scanline | Phactorial: not yet |
| 15:02.07 | Phactorial | scanline: Anyone working on a port? |
| 15:02.12 | scanline | TD: there's SWIG, but IMHO that's not a good way to go about it |
| 15:02.14 | scanline | Phactorial: not that I know of |
| 15:02.22 | TD | swig? |
| 15:02.26 | TD | it rings a bell, not sure why |
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| 15:02.41 | D_mon | swig is ok |
| 15:02.43 | scanline | generates language bindings for python, perl, and other languages, from C or C++ headers |
| 15:02.50 | TD | oh right. hmm |
| 15:02.51 | scanline | BUT, that's not the right way to make picogui bindings |
| 15:03.00 | TD | but it's not good because it doesn't use all the native features of the language? |
| 15:03.02 | D_mon | scanline: what is the problem with it ? |
| 15:03.06 | scanline | TD: right |
| 15:03.13 | TD | D_mon: he'd rather you wrapped the protocol itself |
| 15:03.19 | chouimat | scanline: any Objective-C binding? |
| 15:03.21 | TD | i guess you don't like .NET then :) |
| 15:03.21 | scanline | D_mon: it's much better to have an interface specifically written for the language |
| 15:03.37 | scanline | chouimat: not yet |
| 15:03.46 | D_mon | TD: nono, you got me wrong, i use swig, it's good |
| 15:04.02 | TD | i meant scanline. i'll have to look into swig. |
| 15:04.11 | D_mon | ah ok :) |
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| 15:04.40 | scanline | I had something about that in the FAQ, but that's down... |
| 15:04.41 | D_mon | scanline: but what is specificly wrong with swig ? |
| 15:04.45 | file | hey all |
| 15:04.53 | chouimat | scanline: sf still down? |
| 15:04.59 | scanline | D_mon: nothing, I just don't think it's the right technique for picogui client libs |
| 15:05.01 | scanline | chouimat: yes |
| 15:05.01 | D_mon | scanline: i do believe it missed docstrings |
| 15:05.08 | TD | D_mon: i guess it doesn't work in the opposite direction |
| 15:05.16 | D_mon | scanline: it'll safe you alot of time and bugs |
| 15:05.17 | TD | i'd much rather be able to write libraries in a high level language |
| 15:05.43 | scanline | D_mon: not really |
| 15:05.57 | TD | actually, i'd much rather write everything in a high level language. but there aren't always bindings. good thing there are python bindings for pico |
| 15:06.04 | scanline | D_mon: please just compare the C client library and the Python client library before you tell me that it's possible to automatically generate them |
| 15:06.41 | D_mon | scanline: i could take a look, i've done some 'impossible' things with swig :) |
| 15:06.42 | scanline | D_mon: picogui's protocol is designed to make it easy for native client libraries to be written rather than wrappers or 'bindings' |
| 15:07.09 | D_mon | but the site is down :) |
| 15:07.14 | D_mon | explain me here plz |
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| 15:07.32 | scanline | D_mon: well, what do you want me to explain? |
| 15:07.48 | D_mon | scanline: hmm, it uses sockets orso, not a binding to c ? |
| 15:07.50 | TD | D_mon: what he means is that python and C are very different languageas |
| 15:07.54 | TD | D_mon: right |
| 15:07.56 | scanline | D_mon: yes |
| 15:07.59 | D_mon | ah.. ok :D |
| 15:08.12 | chouimat | arrgh! DocBook |
| 15:08.13 | TD | it's best to create protocol bindings rather than c bindings, that way they can be oo |
| 15:08.15 | D_mon | interesting |
| 15:08.27 | D_mon | yes, better keep it pure python |
| 15:09.09 | D_mon | oh.. how i hate unresolved symbols |
| 15:12.14 | tak|sleep | night all |
| 15:16.54 | hd|tv | Talez: are you here? |
| 15:18.37 | hd|tv | i feel like kicking linux outside Talez if you still want to do that distro...I wanna help, perhaps we could make it a bsd thing :) |
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| 15:28.17 | file[laptop] | hey all |
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| 15:42.51 | Talez | hd|tv: BSD thing? like deriving it from FBSD? |
| 15:43.53 | hd|tv | yeah |
| 15:44.03 | hd|tv | instead of a lfs a bsdfs :p |
| 15:44.41 | Talez | possibly |
| 15:44.44 | Talez | I gotta go to an exam |
| 15:44.48 | Talez | I'll talk to you later |
| 15:45.02 | hd|tv | ok |
| 15:45.04 | hd|tv | good luck |
| 15:45.12 | hd|tv | i'm off to bed |
| 15:45.14 | hd|tv | goodnight |
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| 15:52.27 | scanline | another one? |
| 15:52.34 | captain_proton | indeed |
| 15:53.49 | file[laptop] | hi prpplague |
| 15:54.03 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 15:58.14 | prpplague | lo |
| 16:10.58 | danols | scanline where can I get the tutorial ? |
| 16:11.11 | scanline | on the server that's down today |
| 16:11.54 | danols | yeah that's what i mean lol |
| 16:11.54 | danols | ok |
| 16:12.18 | danols | is your incode documentation complete ? |
| 16:12.18 | scanline | it's on the wiki.. so I have backups, but they're not easily converted to HTML without the server |
| 16:12.27 | danols | i see |
| 16:12.36 | danols | don't worry about i'll wait for it to be back up |
| 16:12.50 | scanline | The C client library is all documented with Doxygen comments, the server doesn't have any internals documentation yet |
| 16:13.10 | captain_proton | scanline: you oughta use MoinMoin |
| 16:14.08 | scanline | captain_proton: but remember, I'm too webaphobic |
| 16:14.10 | danols | MoinMoin ? |
| 16:14.29 | scanline | grrr... if I kill -9 something it doesn't save gmon.out |
| 16:14.44 | captain_proton | danols: a different wiki implementation that uses flat text files instead of mysql |
| 16:14.50 | file | my coworker on this project disapproved of my protocol revisions |
| 16:19.04 | danols | i see |
| 16:19.51 | file | and blah |
| 16:19.56 | danols | scaline what do you use for development ? |
| 16:19.59 | file | apparently I'm going down to Nova Scotia for a week during Christmas |
| 16:20.05 | scanline | danols: a computer |
| 16:20.08 | scanline | :) |
| 16:20.12 | file | scanline: good one |
| 16:20.15 | danols | hah |
| 16:20.15 | danols | ok |
| 16:20.25 | danols | i just recently switched to linux |
| 16:20.35 | file | danols: best thing you ever did? |
| 16:20.37 | danols | so i'm looking for a good c++ dev enviroment |
| 16:20.53 | danols | file yes and no, i do not like linux gui |
| 16:21.00 | scanline | command line + text editor |
| 16:21.00 | file | danols: change then |
| 16:21.10 | danols | file ? |
| 16:21.11 | file | KDE, Gnome, many window managers, take your pick |
| 16:21.21 | danols | file nahh to i use fluxbox |
| 16:22.00 | danols | scanline: i see |
| 16:28.37 | prpplague | scanline: lo, nice /. |
| 16:28.52 | scanline | prpplague: hahaha |
| 16:29.25 | danols | scanline: when i try using x11 with x11input i get this bash-2.05a# *** ERROR (BADPARAM) : Input driver not loaded with matching video driver |
| 16:29.50 | scanline | what options are you giving pgserver? |
| 16:30.45 | danols | hold on :) |
| 16:31.12 | danols | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.47 | scanline | don't specify the x11input driver, it's loaded automatically by the x11 video driver |
| 16:31.59 | scanline | and what do you mean by "-v is x11 in pico.conf" |
| 16:31.59 | danols | ok |
| 16:32.44 | danols | what's the name of the .conf file again ? |
| 16:32.56 | scanline | either /etc/pgserver.conf or ~/.pgserverrc |
| 16:32.58 | danols | nm |
| 16:33.03 | scanline | what exactly are you putting in the config file? |
| 16:33.09 | file | and the phone rings. |
| 16:33.22 | file | for me. |
| 16:34.34 | danols | ahh thanks |
| 16:34.48 | danols | i had input= ps2mouse |
| 16:34.54 | danols | it's all good now |
| 16:35.59 | scanline | hmm yeah.. you probably don't want both ps2mouse and x11input unless you want two cursors controlled by the same mouse |
| 16:36.26 | danols | that's what i had , it was bugging me |
| 16:43.44 | kergoth | scanline: ./.libs/libpgserver.al(zaurus.lo)(.text+0x304): In function `infilter_zaurus_handler': |
| 16:43.47 | kergoth | : undefined reference to `os_getticks' |
| 16:43.50 | kergoth | where's that defined? |
| 16:44.24 | scanline | kergoth: ah... that's in os/posix.c. The config needs to be updated to have that selected, I can do that in CVS |
| 16:44.28 | file | wow |
| 16:44.41 | file | with all these computers off my floor... my room looks bigger |
| 16:45.15 | merlin262 | hi scanline |
| 16:45.22 | kergoth | scanline: ah |
| 16:45.23 | scanline | kergoth: oh.. or not.. the CVS server is down |
| 16:45.26 | kergoth | scanline: fun |
| 16:45.35 | kergoth | scanline: i figured out why libtool hated me |
| 16:45.47 | merlin262 | libtool is teh debil!@ |
| 16:45.51 | scanline | kergoth: you can go into the menuconfig and select the "POSIX-compatible" OS setting and it should fix it |
| 16:45.54 | Xentac | kergoth: not enough goat blood? |
| 16:46.01 | TD | merlin262: did you ask a question before that i didn't answer? |
| 16:46.02 | scanline | kergoth: eh? |
| 16:46.04 | scanline | hi merlin262 |
| 16:46.04 | kergoth | scanline: there were .la files in my staging libdir .. it was prefering those, and the freetype and libjpeg builds were putting a ladir of /usr/lib in the .la files. |
| 16:46.18 | kergoth | scanline: when it loaded those, it added /usr/lib to the library search path |
| 16:46.20 | merlin262 | TD: I was wondering if you were a moz developer/work with mozilla. |
| 16:46.20 | kergoth | *boom* |
| 16:46.25 | scanline | kergoth: eek |
| 16:46.37 | TD | merlin262: i've written a couple of patches for it and know quite a bit about its internals |
| 16:46.41 | TD | i've written xul apps |
| 16:46.48 | TD | but i'm not a big developer anymore |
| 16:46.56 | merlin262 | Ahhh, IC. |
| 16:46.58 | kergoth | scanline: so the temporary solution - remove all .la files in staging, the real solution, fix the jpeg and freetype and any other lib builds to put the right ladir in their .la files that are generated |
| 16:47.11 | merlin262 | I've been pondering porting Gecko to PicoGUI lately, but haven't had time to look at it much. :) |
| 16:47.25 | TD | merlin262: that would be an interesting challenge |
| 16:47.31 | TD | not least because they are so different |
| 16:47.33 | fragglet | heh |
| 16:47.35 | file | scanline: why do bugs suddenly appear? |
| 16:47.45 | scanline | file: ? |
| 16:47.50 | file | scanline: nevermind |
| 16:47.59 | merlin262 | scanline: I see you've come out of hiding. :P |
| 16:48.05 | scanline | merlin262: unfortunately |
| 16:48.39 | lurgyman | * thud * |
| 16:49.35 | Xentac | file: spycraft? |
| 16:50.45 | merlin262 | scanline: Your off the /. front page, mostly, now. :D |
| 16:50.51 | scanline | yep |
| 16:51.07 | merlin262 | Carpman abondoned us completely. |
| 16:51.26 | scanline | lalo made a couple replies on slashdot |
| 16:51.41 | scanline | I just love how far down on the page my replies stayed... |
| 16:51.46 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 16:52.11 | scanline | "Oh, they're just developers... I'd rather hear the witty comments some random user has!" |
| 16:52.26 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 16:52.29 | fragglet | they're sorted by order of date |
| 16:52.47 | scanline | fragglet: or score |
| 16:52.58 | fragglet | the default doesnt sort by score |
| 16:53.04 | fragglet | you can set it to sort by score |
| 16:54.43 | file | bah |
| 16:55.00 | file | I found a copy of Photoshop 5.0 |
| 16:55.04 | merlin262 | now, I've wasted an entire weekend, no code ahs been written. :( |
| 16:55.05 | file | and 2 CDs of the game I want |
| 16:55.05 | TD | by default they are sorted by posting time. if you'd posted earlier they'd be further up |
| 16:55.08 | file | but not the CD I need |
| 16:55.38 | merlin262 | scanline: I think I'll write a tree item widget, but when I finally get time. |
| 16:55.40 | merlin262 | :P |
| 16:55.54 | Cambo | file: you do know the latest version of photoshop is 7.0 right? |
| 16:56.03 | file | yeah |
| 16:56.45 | file | I need disk 1 of this game! |
| 16:57.24 | file | I know it's here |
| 16:59.07 | Cambo | so is /. the reason the website is down? or does it have something to do with the sourceforge move thing? |
| 16:59.16 | scanline | it's the sourceforge move |
| 17:00.13 | Cambo | it's interesting how the request for app wishlists decended into X flame wars though... but I guess it was predictable |
| 17:00.37 | scanline | what else would you expect from slashdot? |
| 17:00.57 | file | this serial number won't work |
| 17:01.43 | Cambo | I expected more of the 90% of everything is crap law to apply... it seems there was only 3 or so valid responces out of 511 responses |
| 17:02.16 | prpplague | ppl work in their own little world, but if they'd stop and look, having a good foundation makes a world of good apps possible, having one or two good apps doesn't create a good foundation |
| 17:02.51 | *** join/#picogui gonkulator (~AthIRC@user-33qtv64.dialup.mindspring.com) |
| 17:02.58 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen Ahnkana |
| 17:02.58 | PicoBot | Ahnkana was last seen on #picogui 3 hours, 53 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying: gonk[nap]: good idea [Sun Nov 17 13:12:52 2002] |
| 17:02.59 | lurgyman | gonk |
| 17:03.01 | file | hi gonkulator |
| 17:03.05 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen captain_proton |
| 17:03.05 | PicoBot | captain_proton was last seen on #picogui 48 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying: danols: a different wiki implementation that uses flat text files instead of mysql [Sun Nov 17 16:17:54 2002] |
| 17:03.06 | gonkulator | hi file |
| 17:03.11 | gonkulator | hi lurgyman |
| 17:03.20 | scanline | Well, I think at least half the posts were "Damn you who reinvents X, it's already Good Enough (tm)!" |
| 17:03.22 | gonkulator | lurgyman: I thought you were a n00b for a second there :) |
| 17:03.24 | lurgyman | captain_proton was last seen leaving to go home with laundry |
| 17:03.34 | fragglet | picogui is so cool |
| 17:03.47 | scanline | fragglet: I wish it was easier to explain though :) |
| 17:03.53 | gonkulator | fragglet: you are sooo right |
| 17:04.05 | merlin262 | scanline: Slashdot is 90% crap, 8% troll, 1% funny, and 1% informative/insightful or interesting |
| 17:04.07 | fragglet | scanline: are you actually a genius? i mean didnt you get moved up in school or something |
| 17:04.07 | Cambo | the problem is it isn't.... redhat is starting to change that (don't flame me please) by enforcing standards |
| 17:04.41 | gonkulator | merlin262: I think that your ratios are a bit off |
| 17:05.01 | lurgyman | as little as 90%? |
| 17:05.05 | gonkulator | merlin262: 99% crap, 84% troll, 12% funny and 1% informative/insightful |
| 17:05.21 | merlin262 | gonkulator: But that doesn't addup to 100%, *head explodes* |
| 17:05.21 | lurgyman | that's better |
| 17:05.22 | Cambo | my number one bitch about linux (and the major reason I don't use it) was the cut-paste thing... and redhat is the only distro that seems to have fixed it, and that was only a month ago |
| 17:05.22 | scanline | fragglet: I skipped one year of elementary school, and took higher-level classes a lot |
| 17:05.26 | Xentac | gonkulator: hey... that doesn't add to 100%! |
| 17:05.32 | fragglet | ah |
| 17:05.32 | scanline | fragglet: I met gonkulator in the IB program in high school |
| 17:05.38 | fragglet | ib? |
| 17:05.45 | lurgyman | ib => ibs |
| 17:05.58 | fragglet | ? |
| 17:05.58 | merlin262 | IB lets you take college courses in HS. |
| 17:06.00 | scanline | Cambo: that isn't linux's fault |
| 17:06.04 | fragglet | oh right |
| 17:06.11 | lurgyman | like AP, but with different letters |
| 17:06.12 | scanline | merlin262: they're not really college courses, just college-level |
| 17:06.24 | merlin262 | scanline: But you usually get college credit. :P |
| 17:06.27 | Xentac | " I like what I see (I don't care if it's a blatant rip of OSX, it looks good either way.)" --- If I see one more of these on Slashdot comments I'm going to explode. |
| 17:06.29 | scanline | yep :) |
| 17:06.46 | lurgyman | but... who'd clean up the mess? |
| 17:06.48 | merlin262 | Xentac: Quit Slashdot! |
| 17:06.51 | gonkulator | fragglet: scanline is pretty much a genius |
| 17:07.03 | scanline | ha |
| 17:07.04 | lurgyman | let's form slashdot2 |
| 17:07.14 | fragglet | someone i know had the domain sloshdat.org for a while |
| 17:07.25 | lurgyman | hashbang.org |
| 17:07.26 | scanline | lurgyman: you'd have to devise some clever method of keeping all the idiots from slashdot from using it |
| 17:07.27 | lurgyman | hmm |
| 17:07.32 | Cambo | is it x's or is it trolltech's or somebody else's? either way it enraged me to the point where I said fuc* it and reinstalled windows... |
| 17:07.39 | lurgyman | "We keep all the trolls -under- the bridge" |
| 17:07.41 | merlin262 | scanline: Cattle Prods & Guns, like here in Texas. |
| 17:07.42 | merlin262 | =D |
| 17:07.49 | scanline | merlin262: hehe |
| 17:07.58 | gonkulator | merlin262: I guess texas isn't all bad |
| 17:08.02 | gonkulator | :P |
| 17:08.29 | *** join/#picogui darth_iBook (~darth_bal@resnet383.fortlewis.edu) |
| 17:08.29 | scanline | Cambo: well, X defines a pretty complex method for handling selections and clipboards... it's often misused |
| 17:08.33 | TD | be careful |
| 17:08.40 | TD | otherwise you'll end up with kuro5hin |
| 17:09.07 | lurgyman | sheesh, are where'd all these pplz come from? |
| 17:09.13 | merlin262 | scanline: carpman has an idea about using AoF to handle clipboard selections. |
| 17:09.17 | scanline | lurgyman: that big sinkhole in the sky |
| 17:09.22 | Cambo | i was reading the wikki post on cut-paste last night... interesting... |
| 17:09.25 | lurgyman | someone should close it |
| 17:09.28 | TD | slashdot :) you know, the place where all those idiots hang out |
| 17:09.32 | scanline | merlin262: eep |
| 17:09.37 | merlin262 | hehe |
| 17:09.44 | TD | anyway, thanks for answering my questions |
| 17:09.50 | TD | g'night |
| 17:09.52 | scanline | did I answer a question? |
| 17:09.54 | scanline | wow |
| 17:09.59 | TD | yeah, loads |
| 17:10.24 | gonkulator | lurgyman: maybe if we throw some music majors at slashdot... |
| 17:10.55 | gonkulator | hi darth_iBook |
| 17:11.01 | Cambo | gonkulator: what instead of the philosiphy majors it's now got preaching in it's fourms? |
| 17:11.28 | gonkulator | Cambo: who are you? |
| 17:11.28 | darth_iBook | hey gonkulator |
| 17:11.58 | Cambo | troll attracted from /. or more specificly a c.s. major |
| 17:12.08 | merlin262 | yay trolsl! |
| 17:12.23 | gonkulator | Cambo: the people in slashdot aren't even close to philosophers |
| 17:12.45 | gonkulator | Cambo: I don't think you even know what the word philosophy means |
| 17:12.50 | Ahnkana | PicoBot: food |
| 17:12.51 | PicoBot | i heard food was what keeps you alive |
| 17:12.59 | gonkulator | merlin262: thank you |
| 17:13.00 | Cambo | it was the most useless major i could think of... maby I should have chosen history |
| 17:13.19 | gonkulator | Cambo: maybe you could sit in a screw driver |
| 17:13.21 | merlin262 | Cambo: <sarcasm>Thanks</sarcasm> |
| 17:13.40 | gonkulator | if you were smart, you would get more out of it |
| 17:14.20 | gonkulator | I am a double major |
| 17:14.24 | gonkulator | CS and Philosophy |
| 17:14.41 | merlin262 | Double Major == Insane. |
| 17:14.44 | gonkulator | and where the CS people seem to have logic down pat |
| 17:14.44 | Cambo | ahh I'd wondered what toe I'd steped on |
| 17:15.06 | gonkulator | they can't seem to learn design principles as well as philosophers |
| 17:15.08 | *** part/#picogui chouimat (~dieu@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 17:15.14 | merlin262 | =D |
| 17:15.27 | gonkulator | AND, philosophers are what started this whole logic thing in the first place |
| 17:15.30 | Cambo | thanks |
| 17:15.52 | darth_iBook | thanks |
| 17:16.04 | darth_iBook | I really need a massage though ^)^ |
| 17:16.06 | darth_iBook | ^_^ |
| 17:16.11 | darth_iBook | agh, can't even type |
| 17:16.26 | scanline | darth_iBook: is that a bananna on your nose or are you just happy to see me? |
| 17:16.50 | darth_iBook | scanline: I am just happy to see u |
| 17:16.56 | scanline | :) |
| 17:16.59 | gonkulator | Cambo: so to lump philosophers with lame ass slashdot people is the same as putting microserfs in the same category as linux developers |
| 17:19.17 | gonkulator | merlin262: my ex-girlfriend tried really really hard to do that |
| 17:19.22 | gonkulator | merlin262: she failed :) |
| 17:19.30 | gonkulator | in fact.. she didn't even get me to drink |
| 17:19.39 | merlin262 | She porbably didn't spike teh drink tho! |
| 17:19.41 | merlin262 | mwahahhahahaha |
| 17:19.49 | Cambo | gonkulator:there's traditionally been a rift between cs and philosophers.... hell look at the terminology in the dining philosopher problem |
| 17:20.11 | scanline | hehe |
| 17:20.21 | gonkulator | merlin262: I was very careful about what I drank when I was in her presance |
| 17:20.58 | gonkulator | merlin262: Xentac was the first person who was able to get me to drink, and then it was just a glass of wine :) |
| 17:20.59 | merlin262 | Dining Philosopher Problem: how long does it take to drive a sane man listening 2 dining philosophers into shooting them? |
| 17:21.19 | merlin262 | gonkulator: Are you totally against alcohol? |
| 17:21.23 | Cambo | hehe |
| 17:21.36 | gonkulator | merlin262: no.. I am just not old enough yet |
| 17:21.43 | gonkulator | merlin262: the law says 21 |
| 17:21.57 | merlin262 | that's legal in Canada! |
| 17:22.02 | gonkulator | I know |
| 17:22.02 | Xentac | gonkulator: since when did I get you to drink? |
| 17:22.05 | gonkulator | why do you think I drank |
| 17:22.13 | gonkulator | Xentac: remember the chinese resteraunt? |
| 17:22.13 | Cambo | arg... merlin beat me to the reply |
| 17:22.24 | Xentac | gonkulator: ah yes... I remember now |
| 17:22.24 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 17:22.34 | gonkulator | er, merlot |
| 17:22.40 | gonkulator | how ever the hell you spell it ;) |
| 17:22.44 | Cambo | and since when does the law really stop teens from drinking? |
| 17:22.56 | gonkulator | Cambo: since I have felt it necessary to obey the law |
| 17:23.09 | Xentac | ok... if you had a couple of people... that wanted to make a program... what sort of program would you make? |
| 17:23.20 | Cambo | Xentac: one that works |
| 17:23.47 | Xentac | Cambo: great... I can make one of those my self |
| 17:24.02 | gonkulator | Xentac: hello world? |
| 17:24.51 | Cambo | heheh I was j/k sheesh... i'm on a roll tonight |
| 17:24.52 | gonkulator | well, I am off |
| 17:24.53 | gonkulator | later everyone |
| 17:24.53 | gonkulator | bye scanline |
| 17:24.53 | gonkulator | bye merlin262 |
| 17:24.53 | gonkulator | bye darth_iBook |
| 17:24.53 | gonkulator | bye Ahnkana |
| 17:24.54 | scanline | gonkulator: I think you're being redundant... |
| 17:24.54 | Xentac | ta ta gonkulator |
| 17:24.54 | merlin262 | lol, night gonkulator |
| 17:24.57 | gonkulator | bye Xe |
| 17:25.03 | merlin262 | scanline: it's teh alcohol |
| 17:25.09 | scanline | merlin262: must be |
| 17:25.10 | gonkulator | bye scanline |
| 17:25.12 | gonkulator | bye scanline |
| 17:25.14 | gonkulator | bye scanline |
| 17:25.34 | scanline | ugh |
| 17:25.42 | merlin262 | ugh? |
| 17:26.46 | merlin262 | scanline: given anymore thought into that app manager idea? |
| 17:27.54 | scanline | merlin262: I have it all planned out, just have to write it. Smartdata wants me to set picogui up with a new form of IPC (modified app message) that is synchronous and supports return values. That will be used by the app manager too |
| 17:28.08 | Xentac | I guess that any articles that have the letters g, u, and i arranged in just the right order will invariably have lots of X's in the comments... |
| 17:28.47 | merlin262 | hehe Xentac |
| 17:30.07 | scanline | still down here... |
| 17:30.59 | merlin262 | probably the dns has to update, no? |
| 17:31.00 | Cambo | the wikki pages are still down but the rest of it is up here |
| 17:31.25 | scanline | ibot: nslookup picogui.org |
| 17:31.43 | *** join/#picogui file[laptop] (~lan@mctn1-0063.nb.aliant.net) |
| 17:31.43 | file[laptop] | well bah |
| 17:31.46 | file[laptop] | still can't find 'dat CD |
| 17:31.46 | scanline | that IP still points to the redirect page |
| 17:31.51 | scanline | Cambo: do you get the same IP? |
| 17:32.01 | merlin262 | scanline: that's the wrong IP |
| 17:32.04 | Cambo | tracerouting it right now |
| 17:32.25 | merlin262 | scanline: take that back... |
| 17:32.36 | scanline | hmm |
| 17:32.39 | scanline | http://pgui.sourceforge.net/ still works |
| 17:32.47 | scanline | ibot: nslookup pgui.sf.net |
| 17:32.56 | Cambo | yeah i get the same ip |
| 17:33.08 | scanline | I guess I need to update the DNS for picogui.org |
| 17:33.08 | file[laptop] | as do I |
| 17:33.50 | merlin262 | scanline: Why would you need to change anything? Shouldn't it just be a bit of a wait for all the caches to update? |
| 17:33.54 | merlin262 | eg: picogui.org works for me. |
| 17:33.58 | scanline | merlin262: it does? |
| 17:34.00 | scanline | neat |
| 17:34.04 | merlin262 | scanline: yea |
| 17:34.13 | scanline | picogui.org isn't managed by sourceforge |
| 17:34.26 | scanline | I forget whether it's pointed to an IP or another DNS |
| 17:34.27 | merlin262 | the name servers are probably the same, just the IP has changed. |
| 17:34.38 | merlin262 | unless you have teh cache....... |
| 17:34.46 | scanline | sourceforge doesn't provide the name server for picogui.org |
| 17:34.53 | merlin262 | s/teh/the s/cache/cash/ |
| 17:35.01 | merlin262 | why can't i type today? |
| 17:35.34 | Xentac | merlin262: you're trying to hard! |
| 17:35.37 | scanline | aha |
| 17:35.46 | scanline | picogui.org works now yay! |
| 17:37.20 | NonToxic | ibot chuwaka is <reply>ChuWaKa cluelessly bricked his iPAQ. |
| 17:37.20 | | okay, NonToxic |
| 17:38.14 | file[laptop] | sigh |
| 17:38.17 | file[laptop] | I wish I could find this CD |
| 17:47.28 | file[laptop] | nope... |
| 17:47.41 | file[laptop] | I've searched everywhere |
| 17:58.35 | *** join/#picogui Ahnkana_ (~Ahnkana@aden2-135-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU) |
| 18:04.37 | Ahnkana_ | ? |
| 18:04.53 | Xentac | Ahnkana_: what? |
| 18:12.48 | *** join/#picogui carpman (coyote@66-169-218-138.dntn.tx.charter.com) |
| 18:12.50 | file[laptop] | hi carpman |
| 18:12.52 | scanline | hail carpman! |
| 18:12.55 | carpman | hey file[laptop] |
| 18:13.07 | carpman | hey scanline |
| 18:13.15 | carpman | wow, lotsopeople in here |
| 18:13.17 | Xentac | quick... I need an X-based drawing program, that's not gimp |
| 18:13.34 | carpman | xfig |
| 18:13.51 | carpman | PicoBot: seen merlin262 |
| 18:13.52 | PicoBot | merlin262 was last seen on #picogui 38 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying: why can't i type today? [Sun Nov 17 17:38:10 2002] |
| 18:14.23 | Xentac | carpman: nothing simpler...? |
| 18:14.34 | carpman | Xentac: not off the top of my head |
| 18:14.39 | Xentac | thanks |
| 18:14.40 | carpman | scanline: put any n00bs to work yet? |
| 18:14.41 | merlin262 | hey carpman |
| 18:14.44 | carpman | hey merlin262 |
| 18:15.07 | scanline | carpman: got an email from someone interested in helping, with Java and graphic design experience. other than that, no |
| 18:15.26 | carpman | PicoBot: BAH! |
| 18:15.26 | PicoBot | Crotch! |
| 18:15.28 | merlin262 | kewl! |
| 18:16.07 | carpman | super happy burger? |
| 18:16.29 | scanline | pseudofood which I retrieve on weekends from the place called Farrand |
| 18:16.34 | carpman | ahh |
| 18:16.52 | carpman | scanline: I got 2 IBM ultrastars in Mach5 now. |
| 18:17.00 | carpman | It sounds like a jet turbine spinning up |
| 18:17.02 | scanline | RAIDed yet? |
| 18:17.13 | carpman | scanline: no, I won't. Not enough disks to do that. |
| 18:17.22 | carpman | 2 18g and 1 9 |
| 18:17.31 | scanline | neat |
| 18:18.01 | carpman | linux loads... rapidly :) |
| 18:18.59 | merlin262 | carpman: how goes the ini tscripts? |
| 18:19.20 | prpplague | scanline: you get any "big wigs" calling you over the /. post? |
| 18:19.32 | scanline | prpplague: hehe... no |
| 18:19.39 | prpplague | scanline: bummer |
| 18:19.42 | carpman | merlin262: syscon is basicly done, sysview is under construction. Hows nxpackage? |
| 18:19.48 | prpplague | scanline: hope your parents are proud |
| 18:19.55 | merlin262 | carpman: been busy all weekend. :( |
| 18:20.21 | scanline | prpplague: I haven't seen anything good come out of slashdot in years, so I wasn't expecting anything except an uninformed mess |
| 18:20.40 | prpplague | scanline: agreed, when they got bought out things really changed |
| 18:21.08 | prpplague | scanline: seriously though, your parents understand the stuff your doing? |
| 18:21.18 | scanline | prpplague: my dad does |
| 18:21.23 | carpman | merlin262: me too, I haven't done much on sysview. But its cool tho. You communicate to it with named pipes, and add tasts onto a stack. When the stack goes from 0 to 1, it loads some form of display appropriate to the runlevel, when it goes back to 0, it closes the display |
| 18:21.26 | scanline | sort of :) |
| 18:21.44 | scanline | prpplague: my dad's an aerospace engineer at Lockheed Martin |
| 18:22.26 | carpman | scanline: I was at a lecture by a guy from TI. He passed out some ALMOST perfect DLP panels. $3000 a peice if they were 100% perfect. |
| 18:22.42 | scanline | wow |
| 18:22.45 | carpman | I've almost got the pinouts figured out >:) |
| 18:22.52 | merlin262 | carpman: I got 2 of those in my posession |
| 18:23.03 | merlin262 | one XGA(1024x768) one VGA(640x480) |
| 18:23.07 | carpman | merlin262: kick ass color projector here I come |
| 18:23.09 | merlin262 | never had time to work w/ it. |
| 18:23.10 | prpplague | scanline: well thats good, first time i made it into the linux journal, my parents gave the standard "thats nice dear" |
| 18:23.12 | carpman | merlin262: thats the same as I have |
| 18:23.21 | scanline | prpplague: hehe |
| 18:23.34 | merlin262 | prpplague: know all about that. :( |
| 18:23.37 | scanline | prpplague: generally I don't expect people I know in real life to understand what I do |
| 18:23.48 | merlin262 | my dad is convinced my ideas about a linux distribution are dillusional |
| 18:24.51 | carpman | merlin262: he'el probably say that up until the day he installs it over windows :) |
| 18:24.51 | prpplague | scanline: ya well, i don't care what my son does, i intended on making sure that he feels his father respects it |
| 18:24.51 | file[laptop] | merlin262: thanks |
| 18:24.51 | merlin262 | hehe carpman |
| 18:24.52 | prpplague | merlin262: been there done that |
| 18:24.59 | prpplague | merlin262: my father told me that i'd never find a job where i could use linux |
| 18:25.05 | *** join/#picogui Kidder (kidders@h24-65-171-188.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 18:25.10 | darth_iBook | yay, it's dinner time |
| 18:25.47 | scanline | brb, retrieving Happy Burger |
| 18:25.48 | carpman | merlin262: RedHat - suckyness |
| 18:26.05 | merlin262 | carpman: not in crapiness level thou |
| 18:26.41 | prpplague | merlin262: now i make 6 figures "playing with linux" |
| 18:27.34 | merlin262 | w00t there |
| 18:29.32 | merlin262 | carpman: get this, I still haven't turned in my atoh homework |
| 18:29.53 | carpman | merlin262: hehe, I turned it in, but it dosn't work |
| 18:30.19 | merlin262 | *grumbles* f*cking Technical Writing *grumbles* |
| 18:30.28 | prpplague | atoh? |
| 18:30.47 | merlin262 | Ascii to numberic conversion in assembly |
| 18:30.54 | merlin262 | not a hard program overall |
| 18:30.57 | prpplague | ohh |
| 18:31.00 | prpplague | school |
| 18:31.25 | merlin262 | prpplague: are you mocking me? |
| 18:31.33 | merlin262 | :P |
| 18:31.47 | prpplague | merlin262: no, i was i could go back to school |
| 18:32.16 | prpplague | merlin262: life sucks when you are the only geek in a redneck community |
| 18:32.18 | merlin262 | hrm..... Everything is multiplied by 2 for some reason. |
| 18:32.32 | merlin262 | should I? |
| 18:32.38 | merlin262 | roflol, this has hack written all over it. |
| 18:33.33 | merlin262 | =D |
| 18:33.43 | merlin262 | carpman: $10 says the TA doesn't notice. |
| 18:34.09 | carpman | merlin262: I don't want to waste the $10, sorry :) |
| 18:34.16 | merlin262 | carpman: smart mvoe |
| 18:36.33 | carpman | file[laptop]: would it make you stop coughing/sneezine? |
| 18:36.40 | file[laptop] | carpman: probably |
| 18:36.48 | file[laptop] | I could buy something to stop my coughing/sneezing with it! |
| 18:37.37 | carpman | PicoBot: d20 |
| 18:37.55 | file[laptop] | I know the last 4 digits of my card! |
| 18:37.59 | merlin262 | yes! my hack worked! |
| 18:38.10 | merlin262 | all bow before spaghettii code! |
| 18:38.46 | carpman | DAMNIT! No meatballs! |
| 18:38.58 | file[laptop] | dear me, my card expires in 2 years |
| 18:39.02 | file[laptop] | that's an awfully long time |
| 18:39.26 | carpman | file[laptop]: I am the One. |
| 18:39.31 | file[laptop] | no no |
| 18:39.34 | file[laptop] | your the zero! |
| 18:39.53 | carpman | Tell me Mr. file[laptop], how will you use your credit card.... if your unable to think. |
| 18:40.08 | carpman | Oh, damn. Its not there in the first place. |
| 18:40.16 | carpman | Ah, what the hell. |
| 18:40.34 | ahnkana | is it possible to drill a hole in porcelin w/o shattering it? |
| 18:40.48 | merlin262 | hmmm... Question, what do you guys name your computers? |
| 18:41.13 | carpman | merlin262: I have one named Mach5, one named Lain, one named Puaruu, and one named Sasami. All anime names. |
| 18:41.18 | merlin262 | my computers: Ruatha, Landing, Telgar |
| 18:41.34 | ahnkana | yea for merlin262 |
| 18:41.35 | file[laptop] | merlin262: I've got droid, chimera, aramius, and an un named one |
| 18:41.46 | ahnkana | what is landing hold? |
| 18:42.04 | carpman | merlin262: that are those from? |
| 18:42.08 | merlin262 | ahnkana: landing is my main computer |
| 18:42.13 | ahnkana | oh, ok |
| 18:42.18 | ahnkana | the other two i recognized |
| 18:42.30 | merlin262 | ahnkana: Landing is the original landing site, they called landing |
| 18:42.31 | merlin262 | =D |
| 18:42.37 | ahnkana | oh ok |
| 18:42.45 | ahnkana | i have only read the original 3 |
| 18:42.52 | ahnkana | if it was there i don't remember |
| 18:43.01 | merlin262 | ahnkana: I don't think so. :) |
| 18:43.09 | merlin262 | carpman: it's a fantasy book series. |
| 18:43.15 | carpman | merlin262: what series? |
| 18:43.22 | ahnkana | dragonriders of pern |
| 18:43.31 | carpman | ah, I've heard of that. |
| 18:43.35 | ahnkana | very good |
| 18:43.41 | ahnkana | comes highly reccomended |
| 18:43.51 | NonToxic | Hm |
| 18:43.56 | carpman | I'll probably read that while I'm waiting for the next Wheel of Time. |
| 18:44.01 | NonToxic | I should do up a WinCE theme for PicoGUI and write a WinCE-alike for it |
| 18:44.13 | carpman | ... |
| 18:44.17 | file[laptop] | NonToxic: EVIL |
| 18:44.30 | NonToxic | file[laptop]: It would run on Linux. |
| 18:44.37 | file[laptop] | all in favor of shooting NonToxic say "aye" |
| 18:44.44 | carpman | aye! |
| 18:44.53 | Xentac | aye |
| 18:45.14 | ahnkana | peer pressure |
| 18:45.18 | ahnkana | i'm telling you |
| 18:45.25 | Xentac | ummm... huh? |
| 18:45.43 | NonToxic | Xentac: They apparently don't like the WinCE user interface. |
| 18:45.48 | NonToxic | It woudln't actually RUN wince apps. |
| 18:45.53 | Xentac | I see... |
| 18:46.02 | merlin262 | ahnkana: good to make sure. :D |
| 18:46.04 | scanline | wince has a user interface? |
| 18:46.07 | Cambo | ney-just for the hell of it, but i pitty the fool who would try to work with anything in CE |
| 18:46.23 | ahnkana | righto |
| 18:46.25 | NonToxic | Yes, it sucks |
| 18:46.28 | merlin262 | =D |
| 18:46.41 | NonToxic | It would be arranged differently. |
| 18:46.48 | NonToxic | I agree, the way WinCE is arranged SUCKS. |
| 18:46.49 | ahnkana | oh damn, you really don't like it do, merlin262 |
| 18:46.53 | Cambo | but merlin I thought that was how they designed it! |
| 18:47.03 | merlin262 | hmmmm, you got a point Cambo |
| 18:47.04 | NonToxic | It would look kinda like OPIE. |
| 18:47.11 | NonToxic | Except fast |
| 18:47.14 | NonToxic | DAMN fast |
| 18:47.22 | NonToxic | Picogui == l33tly fast |
| 18:47.25 | NonToxic | OPIE == slow |
| 18:47.54 | scanline | picogui is fast? |
| 18:48.03 | scanline | damn, wish I'd known that before I installed WinCE |
| 18:48.07 | merlin262 | scanline: compared to GTK, even the X11 rootless driver is fast. |
| 18:48.07 | carpman | scanline: yes, yes it is. |
| 18:48.12 | NonToxic | On the iPAQ? |
| 18:48.16 | NonToxic | Dunno about the iPAQ |
| 18:48.20 | merlin262 | scanline: you installed WinCE? |
| 18:48.23 | merlin262 | :mad: |
| 18:48.23 | NonToxic | all I know is that it's a LOT faster than OPIE. |
| 18:48.56 | ahnkana | that's ok, NonToxic is DEAD serious |
| 18:49.06 | ahnkana | jk |
| 18:49.11 | NonToxic | ? |
| 18:49.58 | ahnkana | all the jokes about the guys killing you, thus NonToxic=dead, so you can be dead serious...get it..haha, ahnkana, you are an idiot, shut up |
| 18:50.19 | NonToxic | Haha. ahnkana, you are an idiot, shut up. (just kidding!) |
| 18:50.19 | carpman | ahnkana: hehehe |
| 18:50.30 | ahnkana | lol |
| 18:51.02 | merlin262 | PicoBot: file |
| 18:51.03 | PicoBot | AoFBot: file or a little girl in a frilly dress. or not scanline's mother or going to die at the hands of DevGirlJr several times or the whipping boy of the room |
| 18:51.07 | NonToxic | Someone set up us the bomb! |
| 18:51.25 | merlin262 | ^^^^^^ there's your reason carpman. :D |
| 18:51.34 | scanline | If you want to make a picogui theme that looks like WinCE, it shouldn't take you long |
| 18:51.36 | carpman | NonToxic: you have no chance to survive make your time. |
| 18:51.38 | merlin262 | it's nice things are somewhat back to normal. |
| 18:51.48 | scanline | merlin262: heck yeah |
| 18:52.13 | carpman | scanline: you have new sg1? |
| 18:52.19 | ahnkana | scanline: coke? blasphemy! |
| 18:52.32 | NonToxic | b4h |
| 18:52.39 | scanline | ahnkana: it's what they had at farrand... and I don't mind coke, just like pepsi better |
| 18:52.39 | NonToxic | c0ke 0wnz j00r cr4p p3ps1 |
| 18:52.48 | scanline | carpman: my mom got me the second season on DVD! |
| 18:53.01 | carpman | scanline: dvdrip, oh pleaseohpleaseohplease |
| 18:53.30 | scanline | carpman: soon! The second season had a lot of really good ones too, like the one where they gate to a planet near a black hole |
| 18:53.48 | carpman | oh yeah! /me liked that one. |
| 18:54.03 | scanline | sg1archive.com has episode summaries |
| 18:54.20 | ahnkana | scanline: how much did said coke cost you? |
| 18:54.39 | scanline | ahnkana: nothing? only a swipe of my meal card |
| 18:54.59 | file[laptop] | merlin262: SG-1 is on everyday here for me |
| 18:55.07 | ahnkana | scanline: seriously do you know? i'd have to pay real money |
| 18:55.15 | scanline | ahnkana: no |
| 18:55.53 | file[laptop] | ahnkana: how can you be so sure the money you have is real??? |
| 18:55.54 | ahnkana | scanline: ok, cool |
| 18:56.06 | ahnkana | file[laptop]: it isn't |
| 18:56.15 | ahnkana | file[laptop]: it's plastic, muah-ha-ha-ha |
| 18:56.27 | file[laptop] | :) |
| 18:57.12 | ahnkana | besides, this is the matrix, right? nothing real, there is neither spoon, nor cocacola |
| 18:58.25 | file[laptop] | ahnkana: no, matrox - The Matrix got copyrighted so they had to change the name |
| 18:58.59 | ahnkana | eh? |
| 18:59.17 | file[laptop] | PicoBot: The Matrix? |
| 18:59.17 | PicoBot | it has been said that the matrix is a great movie |
| 18:59.24 | file[laptop] | PicoBot: quite right |
| 18:59.25 | PicoBot | file[laptop]: what? |
| 18:59.33 | file[laptop] | PicoBot: quite right is <reply> thanks |
| 18:59.34 | PicoBot | de nada file[laptop] |
| 18:59.35 | ahnkana | lol |
| 18:59.36 | file[laptop] | PicoBot: quite right |
| 18:59.36 | PicoBot | file[laptop]: huh? |
| 18:59.39 | file[laptop] | BAH |
| 18:59.44 | file[laptop] | I give up dude |
| 18:59.46 | ahnkana | haha |
| 19:01.36 | NonToxic | PicoBot: 42 |
| 19:01.36 | PicoBot | 42 is the answer to life, the universe and everything! |
| 19:01.39 | NonToxic | PicoBot: recurse |
| 19:01.40 | PicoBot | ibot: recurse |
| 19:01.40 | | PicoBot: recurse |
| 19:01.51 | NonToxic | damn, picobot's still ignoring ibot. |
| 19:02.27 | ahnkana | would it start an infinite loop, or something along those lines |
| 19:02.28 | ahnkana | ? |
| 19:03.20 | NonToxic | ahnkana: You tell me |
| 19:03.22 | merlin262 | we'd have to explode PicoBot |
| 19:03.29 | merlin262 | ibot: recurse |
| 19:03.29 | | PicoBot: recurse |
| 19:03.38 | ahnkana | NonToxic: i have resident idiot status, i don't know |
| 19:03.42 | NonToxic | see, picobot is ignoring ibot though. |
| 19:03.46 | NonToxic | ahnkana: look at what it dows. |
| 19:03.47 | ahnkana | i would guess so, but i am not sure |
| 19:03.56 | merlin262 | PicoBot: stupid |
| 19:03.56 | PicoBot | merlin262: sorry... |
| 19:03.59 | merlin262 | PicoBot: your stupid |
| 19:04.00 | PicoBot | I may be stupid but I know the difference between "your" and "you're". or fragglet's stupid |
| 19:04.06 | ahnkana | so yes |
| 19:04.11 | merlin262 | PicoBot: forget your stupid |
| 19:04.11 | PicoBot | merlin262, I didn't have anything matching your stupid |
| 19:04.12 | NonToxic | PicoBot: botsnack |
| 19:04.12 | PicoBot | thanks NonToxic :) |
| 19:04.16 | ahnkana | if it worked right |
| 19:04.17 | merlin262 | PicoBot: forget \your stupid |
| 19:04.17 | PicoBot | merlin262, I didn't have anything matching \your stupid |
| 19:04.22 | merlin262 | PicoBot: forget /your stupid |
| 19:04.22 | PicoBot | merlin262, I didn't have anything matching /your stupid |
| 19:04.25 | merlin262 | PicoBot: die |
| 19:04.33 | NonToxic | picobot, emulate pgserver |
| 19:04.41 | merlin262 | PicoBot: forget "your stupid" |
| 19:04.41 | PicoBot | merlin262, I didn't have anything matching "your stupid" |
| 19:04.46 | merlin262 | PicoBot: DIE DIE DIE |
| 19:04.46 | PicoBot | merlin262: excuse me? |
| 19:04.54 | merlin262 | PicoBot: biatch |
| 19:04.55 | PicoBot | Bite Me. |
| 19:05.32 | NonToxic | PicoBot: bite me |
| 19:05.32 | PicoBot | NonToxic: huh? |
| 19:05.48 | NonToxic | ibot, bite me is <reply>picobot: biatch |
| 19:05.48 | | NonToxic: okay |
| 19:05.58 | NonToxic | picobot, forget biatch |
| 19:05.58 | PicoBot | NonToxic: I forgot biatch |
| 19:06.05 | NonToxic | picobot, biatch is ibot: bite me |
| 19:06.05 | PicoBot | OK, NonToxic. |
| 19:06.12 | NonToxic | picobot, biatch |
| 19:06.12 | PicoBot | it has been said that biatch is ibot: bite me |
| 19:06.20 | NonToxic | picobot, forget biatch |
| 19:06.20 | PicoBot | NonToxic: I forgot biatch |
| 19:06.23 | NonToxic | picobot, biatch is <reply>ibot: bite me |
| 19:06.23 | PicoBot | OK, NonToxic. |
| 19:06.26 | NonToxic | picobot, biatch |
| 19:06.26 | PicoBot | ibot: bite me |
| 19:06.26 | | picobot: biatch |
| 19:06.54 | fragglet | maybe they had a row |
| 19:06.54 | fragglet | ahnkana: they dont repond to the same thing until after a certain amount of time has passed |
| 19:06.54 | fragglet | it is possible to create a huge long chain which will cause an infinite loop |
| 19:06.54 | fragglet | PicoBot: a |
| 19:06.55 | PicoBot | ibot: b |
| 19:06.55 | | picobot: c |
| 19:06.58 | fragglet | and i'm incredibly lagged it seems |
| 19:07.04 | fragglet | PicoBot: a |
| 19:07.05 | PicoBot | ibot: b |
| 19:07.05 | | picobot: c |
| 19:07.06 | fragglet | PicoBot: 1 |
| 19:07.06 | PicoBot | fragglet: excuse me? |
| 19:07.28 | NonToxic | PicoBot: c |
| 19:07.28 | PicoBot | ibot: d |
| 19:07.28 | | PicoBot: e |
| 19:07.28 | fragglet | -:- CTCP PING reply from fragglet: 183.963 seconds |
| 19:07.29 | fragglet | yow |
| 19:07.29 | NonToxic | ibot :d |
| 19:07.29 | | PicoBot: e |
| 19:07.33 | NonToxic | PicoBot: e |
| 19:07.34 | PicoBot | ibot: f |
| 19:07.34 | | PicoBot: g |
| 19:07.39 | NonToxic | PicoBot: g |
| 19:07.39 | PicoBot | NonToxic: excuse me? |
| 19:07.48 | NonToxic | picobot, g is <reply>ibot: a |
| 19:07.48 | PicoBot | OK, NonToxic. |
| 19:07.54 | fragglet | PicoBot: 1 |
| 19:07.54 | PicoBot | fragglet: i'm not following you... |
| 19:07.57 | fragglet | PicoBot: one |
| 19:07.57 | PicoBot | ibot: two |
| 19:07.57 | | picobot: three |
| 19:08.02 | fragglet | PicoBot: three |
| 19:08.03 | PicoBot | ibot: four |
| 19:08.03 | | picobot: five |
| 19:08.08 | NonToxic | PicoBot: five |
| 19:08.08 | fragglet | PicoBot: five |
| 19:08.08 | PicoBot | ibot: b |
| 19:08.09 | | picobot: c |
| 19:08.50 | merlin262 | PicoBot: ignore |
| 19:08.50 | PicoBot | merlin262: i'm not following you... |
| 19:08.53 | merlin262 | PicoBot: help |
| 19:09.47 | fragglet | PicoBot jump! |
| 19:09.47 | PicoBot | sorry fragglet, this is strictly a "no jumping" channel |
| 19:11.19 | NonToxic | PicoBot: stfu |
| 19:11.19 | PicoBot | NonToxic: excuse me? |
| 19:11.33 | NonToxic | PicoBot: there's no excuse for you |
| 19:11.34 | PicoBot | NonToxic: what? |
| 19:11.40 | NonToxic | PicoBot: that's right |
| 19:11.41 | PicoBot | NonToxic: huh? |
| 19:11.45 | NonToxic | PicoBot: yeah. |
| 19:11.46 | PicoBot | NonToxic: huh? |
| 19:11.53 | NonToxic | PicoBot: huh. |
| 19:11.53 | PicoBot | NonToxic: sorry... |
| 19:11.58 | NonToxic | PicoBot: ok |
| 19:11.58 | PicoBot | NonToxic: sorry... |
| 19:12.07 | NonToxic | PicoBot: np |
| 19:12.07 | PicoBot | NonToxic: what? |
| 19:12.13 | ahnkana | odd |
| 19:12.18 | ahnkana | lol |
| 19:12.28 | NonToxic | PicoBot: what? |
| 19:12.28 | PicoBot | nontoxic: bugger all, i dunno |
| 19:12.35 | NonToxic | PicoBot: me neither |
| 19:12.35 | PicoBot | NonToxic: sorry... |
| 19:12.36 | fragglet | picobot: no |
| 19:12.36 | PicoBot | :( |
| 19:12.46 | NonToxic | picobot yes |
| 19:12.46 | PicoBot | NonToxic: i'm not following you... |
| 19:12.47 | merlin262 | PicoBot: yes |
| 19:12.47 | PicoBot | merlin262: i'm not following you... |
| 19:12.51 | NonToxic | picobot yes is NO |
| 19:12.52 | PicoBot | OK, NonToxic. |
| 19:12.53 | NonToxic | picobot forget no |
| 19:12.54 | PicoBot | NonToxic: I forgot no |
| 19:12.58 | NonToxic | picobot no is YES |
| 19:12.58 | PicoBot | OK, NonToxic. |
| 19:13.07 | fragglet | picobot: no |
| 19:13.07 | PicoBot | no is, like, YES |
| 19:13.07 | carpman | PicoBot: d20 |
| 19:13.09 | fragglet | picobot: no |
| 19:13.09 | PicoBot | no is YES |
| 19:13.11 | fragglet | picobot: no |
| 19:13.11 | PicoBot | i guess no is YES |
| 19:13.18 | NonToxic | picobot literal d20 |
| 19:13.19 | PicoBot | NonToxic: d20 =is= <action> rolls 1 | <action> rolls 2 | <action> rolls 3 | <action> rolls 4 | <action> rolls 5 | <action> rolls 6 | <action> rolls 7 | <action> rolls 8 | <action> rolls 9 | <action> rolls 10 | <action> rolls 11 | <action> rolls 12 | <action> rolls 13 | <action> rolls 14 | <action> rolls 15 | <action> rolls 16 | <action> rolls 17 | <action> rolls 18 | <action> rolls 19 | <action> rolls 20 |
| 19:13.31 | NonToxic | picobot no, yes is <reply>NO |
| 19:13.31 | PicoBot | OK, NonToxic. |
| 19:13.43 | NonToxic | picobot no is<reply>YES |
| 19:13.43 | PicoBot | NonToxic: what? |
| 19:13.45 | ahnkana | PicoBot: yes |
| 19:13.46 | PicoBot | NO |
| 19:13.46 | NonToxic | picobot no is <reply>YES |
| 19:13.47 | PicoBot | OK, NonToxic. |
| 19:13.55 | ahnkana | lol |
| 19:13.58 | fragglet | picobot: no |
| 19:13.59 | PicoBot | YES |
| 19:14.00 | fragglet | picobot: no |
| 19:14.01 | PicoBot | YES |
| 19:14.02 | fragglet | picobot: no |
| 19:14.03 | PicoBot | YES |
| 19:14.19 | ahnkana | NonToxic: are you trying to start an argument with a bot, or amuse fragglet for hours? |
| 19:14.28 | fragglet | picobot: no |
| 19:14.28 | PicoBot | YES |
| 19:14.30 | fragglet | picobot: no |
| 19:14.30 | PicoBot | YES |
| 19:14.49 | carpman | PicoBot: yes |
| 19:14.49 | PicoBot | NO |
| 19:14.51 | carpman | PicoBot: yes |
| 19:14.53 | PicoBot | NO |
| 19:14.53 | carpman | PicoBot: yes |
| 19:14.53 | PicoBot | NO |
| 19:14.58 | carpman | PicoBot: no |
| 19:14.58 | PicoBot | YES |
| 19:15.12 | ahnkana | well if worked |
| 19:15.34 | scanline | PicoBot: no |
| 19:15.34 | PicoBot | YES |
| 19:15.36 | scanline | PicoBot: no |
| 19:15.37 | PicoBot | YES |
| 19:15.41 | scanline | carpman: no |
| 19:15.42 | fragglet | heh |
| 19:15.46 | fragglet | PicoBot: yes |
| 19:15.46 | PicoBot | NO |
| 19:15.46 | carpman | scanline: no |
| 19:15.47 | fragglet | PicoBot: yes |
| 19:15.48 | PicoBot | NO |
| 19:15.55 | merlin262 | ugghhh |
| 19:15.59 | scanline | merlin262: no |
| 19:16.07 | carpman | merlin262: yes |
| 19:16.07 | fragglet | PicoBot: perhaps |
| 19:16.07 | PicoBot | maybe. |
| 19:16.16 | carpman | PicoBot: doubtful |
| 19:16.16 | PicoBot | carpman: i'm not following you... |
| 19:16.21 | file[laptop] | STOP |
| 19:16.29 | fragglet | picobot forget no |
| 19:16.30 | PicoBot | fragglet: I forgot no |
| 19:16.31 | carpman | PicoBot: doubtful is <reply> probably |
| 19:16.31 | PicoBot | OK, carpman. |
| 19:16.32 | fragglet | picobot no |
| 19:16.33 | PicoBot | fragglet: i'm not following you... |
| 19:16.34 | carpman | PicoBot: doubtful |
| 19:16.34 | PicoBot | probably |
| 19:16.35 | file[laptop] | can't... handle... flood |
| 19:16.43 | merlin262 | carpman: Todays QOTD: <merlin262> Try upgrading or downgrading automake, which may or may not fix your problem. |
| 19:16.46 | fragglet | picobot no is <reply> noooo! | <reply> yes. | <reply> :( |
| 19:16.47 | PicoBot | OK, fragglet. |
| 19:16.49 | fragglet | picobot no |
| 19:16.49 | PicoBot | yes. |
| 19:16.51 | fragglet | picobot no |
| 19:16.51 | PicoBot | noooo! |
| 19:16.58 | carpman | merlin262: hahaha |
| 19:18.23 | merlin262 | i love it when the bass just hits you... |
| 19:19.20 | *** topic/#picogui by file[laptop] -> http://picogui.org || 0.43 released - everybody go nuts! |
| 19:19.45 | carpman | nuts! |
| 19:19.59 | merlin262 | anyone can change the topic nowadays? |
| 19:20.00 | merlin262 | crazy! |
| 19:20.09 | merlin262 | nuts! |
| 19:20.37 | *** topic/#picogui by carpman -> http://picogui.org || 0.43 released || yes merlin262, I CAN change the topic. |
| 19:20.39 | ahnkana | scanline: can i buy a coke from you? |
| 19:20.45 | scanline | ahnkana: I don't have a coke |
| 19:20.55 | merlin262 | hehe |
| 19:20.57 | ahnkana | k |
| 19:21.07 | ahnkana | cya all later |
| 19:21.11 | carpman | bye ahnkana |
| 19:21.11 | merlin262 | l8r ahnkana |
| 19:21.12 | ahnkana | its calc time |
| 19:21.26 | *** topic/#picogui by carpman -> http://picogui.org || 0.43 released || Cleanup on isle 5. |
| 19:21.34 | merlin262 | FECK HISTORY |
| 19:22.37 | file[laptop] | FRELLING HISTORY! |
| 19:22.43 | *** topic/#picogui by ahnkana -> http://picogui.org || 0.43 released || Cleanup on isle 5.|| it's AISLE!!!! |
| 19:23.10 | *** topic/#picogui by NonToxic -> http://picogui.org || 0.43 released || Cleanup on island 5 || it's AISLE!!!! |
| 19:23.37 | merlin262 | carpman: we really need to play mp3s during the install |
| 19:23.39 | merlin262 | =D |
| 19:23.54 | merlin262 | that'll be almost as big as the tetris during the install idea from Caldera |
| 19:23.55 | Cambo | file:yay another farscape fan |
| 19:24.51 | file[laptop] | Cambo :) |
| 19:25.29 | Cambo | have you heard if the series is still canceled? |
| 19:25.34 | file[laptop] | yes it is |
| 19:25.49 | Cambo | damn |
| 19:27.06 | merlin262 | carpman: should I cut another release of sasteroids? |
| 19:27.35 | carpman | merlin262: I suppose so, what did you add? |
| 19:27.56 | merlin262 | nothing yet.... but I was thinking about adding a high score list, and sound volume control... |
| 19:28.29 | merlin262 | so it doesn't appear I'm neglecting it. |
| 19:28.29 | merlin262 | heeh |
| 19:28.47 | scanline | hmm.. anybody here feel like making some picogui themes? :) |
| 19:28.59 | merlin262 | WinXP please please please! |
| 19:29.31 | file[laptop] | merlin262: that didn't sound good... |
| 19:29.32 | merlin262 | actually, I think i'd like something like the Breeze theme for mozilla |
| 19:29.44 | merlin262 | hmmm..... |
| 19:30.18 | scanline | got a picture of it? |
| 19:30.31 | carpman | scanline: http://www.ba.wakwak.com/~king/web/xul/breeze_en.html |
| 19:30.59 | merlin262 | dang carpman, your fast |
| 19:31.06 | merlin262 | it's probably my favorite moz theme |
| 19:31.10 | scanline | that looks... generic |
| 19:31.19 | merlin262 | easy on the eyes |
| 19:31.22 | merlin262 | professional |
| 19:31.50 | scanline | if you're going to go for the mostly-gray category, I prefer the look of QNX's GUI |
| 19:31.50 | Cambo | looks like classic (from the mac) |
| 19:32.09 | merlin262 | scanline: i like QNX as well |
| 19:32.16 | scanline | Maybe I should finish that "Photonic" theme |
| 19:32.20 | scanline | it looks a lot like this |
| 19:33.34 | scanline | oh, it's in CVS |
| 19:34.53 | scanline | hey, this theme is pretty cool.. I forgot all about it :) |
| 19:37.45 | scanline | oh well.. since this renders everything on the fly, it'd be easy to make some of the colors selectable after theme tags are implemented |
| 19:37.52 | scanline | hmmm.... |
| 19:39.19 | merlin262 | w00t, I've got my EpII dvd, popcorn, and pepsi |
| 19:39.29 | merlin262 | EpII playing on the second head, /me hugs his G440 |
| 19:39.50 | NonToxic | Does the G440 have 3D accel? |
| 19:40.05 | merlin262 | NonToxic: yea, but it's not all that great. |
| 19:40.18 | NonToxic | I want a dual-heded card with at least GF3Ti500 speed accel on both heads. |
| 19:40.32 | merlin262 | Parhelia should do it |
| 19:40.44 | NonToxic | Parhelia? |
| 19:40.48 | merlin262 | wouldn't get an ATI card |
| 19:40.51 | carpman | Parhelia is more expensive than my 29160 |
| 19:40.54 | merlin262 | Parhelia is Matrox's new card.... |
| 19:41.02 | NonToxic | ok |
| 19:41.28 | carpman | merlin262: I want to make a projector monitor out of one of the XGA dlp's I got >:) |
| 19:42.21 | merlin262 | carpman: it'd probably be cheaper to just buy one |
| 19:42.25 | *** join/#picogui gonkulator (~AthIRC@user-33qtv64.dialup.mindspring.com) |
| 19:42.36 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen Xentac |
| 19:42.36 | PicoBot | Xentac was last seen on #picogui 47 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: guesses he'll have to try to make some dinner for everyone now... [Sun Nov 17 18:58:16 2002] |
| 19:42.40 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen carpman |
| 19:42.41 | PicoBot | carpman was last seen on #picogui 1 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: merlin262: I want to make a projector monitor out of one of the XGA dlp's I got >:) [Sun Nov 17 19:44:38 2002] |
| 19:42.45 | gonkulator | hi carpman |
| 19:42.45 | carpman | merlin262: yes, but part of the fun is the reverse enginering |
| 19:42.47 | gonkulator | hi merlin262 |
| 19:42.47 | NonToxic | Hm/. |
| 19:42.47 | carpman | hey gonkulator |
| 19:42.51 | NonToxic | i'm in a portalicions mood. |
| 19:42.57 | merlin262 | NonToxic: be warned whenever you go dual head, you will NEVER go back |
| 19:43.14 | NonToxic | How would I go about compiling pgserver by hand? (i.e. no makefile) |
| 19:43.17 | gonkulator | that is just single head |
| 19:43.22 | NonToxic | merlin262: I don't have the desk space for it... |
| 19:43.34 | merlin262 | NonToxic: you'll forget about deskspace |
| 19:43.41 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 19:43.41 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 5 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying: remembers that widget templates were the main prerequisite for getting theme tags working =) [Sun Nov 17 19:41:18 2002] |
| 19:43.48 | NonToxic | merlin262: I mean, one monitor would fall off my desk every few minutes. |
| 19:44.00 | NonToxic | merlin262: a 15" CRT barely fits in my monitor area. |
| 19:44.00 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen darth_iBook |
| 19:44.00 | PicoBot | darth_iBook was last seen on #picogui 1 hours, 18 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: yay, it's dinner time [Sun Nov 17 18:28:20 2002] |
| 19:44.04 | merlin262 | NonToxic: you need a bigger desk |
| 19:44.11 | NonToxic | (15" LCD is nice though.) |
| 19:44.14 | NonToxic | merlin262: Try, bigger ROOM. |
| 19:44.34 | NonToxic | Me want |
| 19:44.35 | NonToxic | Actually |
| 19:44.45 | NonToxic | me want 2 15"+ LCDs |
| 19:45.00 | gonkulator | merlin262: my 12.1" LCD is enough for me :) |
| 19:45.35 | merlin262 | gonkulator: you've never seen how wonderful 2 17" Sony Trinitron monitors are tho, have you? |
| 19:45.35 | merlin262 | =D |
| 19:45.54 | gonkulator | merlin262: there are some dual 21" setups at work |
| 19:46.00 | carpman | merlin262: I have to say, I enjoy my 1 21" trinitron connected to my SGI at work :) |
| 19:46.10 | merlin262 | gonkulator: that's too big for me. :( |
| 19:46.16 | gonkulator | merlin262: they don't have anything on my iBook |
| 19:46.23 | gonkulator | merlin262: we have a dual 17" setup too :) |
| 19:46.47 | merlin262 | dual 17" is just about perfect for my needs. |
| 19:46.48 | Cambo | I was talking to our monitor rep at work.. he says the tawaniese factories are stopping production of 21" crts |
| 19:47.03 | gonkulator | why? |
| 19:47.09 | Cambo | too much pressure from LCD's at that price point |
| 19:47.23 | gonkulator | oh |
| 19:47.37 | Cambo | but there isn't a valid 1600x1200 LCD yet :( |
| 19:47.39 | gonkulator | we have three 19" LCDs too :) |
| 19:47.45 | gonkulator | they are really nice |
| 19:48.02 | gonkulator | we also have two of those 23" apple studio displays |
| 19:48.18 | NonToxic | blah |
| 19:48.19 | Cambo | I drool like crazy when near those damn apple monitors |
| 19:48.22 | gonkulator | 1920x1200 of video editing real-estate |
| 19:48.23 | NonToxic | my 15inch does 1600x1200! |
| 19:50.05 | NonToxic | pfft |
| 19:50.45 | *** join/#picogui flexo (~flexo@pD953896C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:50.46 | flexo | hi |
| 19:51.09 | carpman | hi flexo |
| 19:51.09 | merlin262 | damn, out of popcorn |
| 19:51.11 | Xentac | Cambo: where in Canada you from? |
| 19:51.13 | Xentac | merlin262: bwahahaha |
| 19:51.23 | merlin262 | you ate it, didn't you Xentac? |
| 19:51.24 | Cambo | manitoba |
| 19:51.24 | merlin262 | grrrrrr |
| 19:51.36 | Xentac | no, I have other things to eat... |
| 19:51.51 | Xentac | Cambo: ah... I have a question about manitoba... what's the weather generally like around the end of april? |
| 19:52.06 | Cambo | slushy |
| 19:52.12 | Xentac | hmmm... |
| 19:52.15 | Xentac | alrighty then |
| 19:52.20 | Xentac | temp wise? |
| 19:52.37 | Cambo | -10 to +5 degrees C |
| 19:52.43 | carpman | merlin262: oh, here. Listen to this. |
| 19:52.45 | Xentac | hehehe, ok |
| 19:52.49 | Xentac | thanks |
| 19:53.18 | carpman | gonkulator: I'm sending him the kick ass song. |
| 19:53.25 | merlin262 | kew carpman |
| 19:53.37 | file[laptop] | the verbs will eat you |
| 19:53.49 | flexo | hm? |
| 19:53.50 | Cambo | my cousin came from austrailia in febuary once... he came from the hottest part of austrailia to the coldest part of canada it was funny.... |
| 19:54.09 | merlin262 | flexo: just seeing if you were alive. :P |
| 19:54.15 | Cambo | 60 degrees difference |
| 19:54.23 | flexo | how nice ;) |
| 19:55.11 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 19:55.36 | carpman | merlin262: this is a prime candidate for the installation music |
| 19:55.40 | Xentac | carpman: mind if I get some of that hot-kick-ass-song-action? |
| 19:55.50 | carpman | Xentac: sure |
| 19:56.18 | flexo | anyone wanna know that pgserver segfaults immediatly when i try to start it with -v sdlgl? |
| 19:56.40 | carpman | flexo: because sdlgl is experimential and highly unstable |
| 19:56.49 | flexo | carpman: i know it is |
| 19:57.00 | Xentac | flexo: way to go... you've ruined my day/week/month/year/existance |
| 19:57.06 | flexo | so i asked if anyone wants to know it ;) |
| 19:57.33 | flexo | thats sad ;) |
| 19:58.00 | Xentac | merlin262: that's your solution to everything, isn't it? |
| 19:58.07 | merlin262 | Xentac: Yes |
| 19:58.25 | Cambo | merlin262: you're a texan arent' you |
| 19:58.35 | merlin262 | Cambo: yes |
| 19:58.35 | Xentac | Cambo: I said the same thing! |
| 20:00.48 | scanline | I would upload this to sourceforge, but their web server filesystem is still mounted readonly |
| 20:01.15 | Xentac | scanline: what is it? a screenshot? |
| 20:01.18 | merlin262 | scanline: very nice |
| 20:01.29 | gonkulator | merlin262: what feature do you want to implement in PicoGUI now? |
| 20:01.36 | scanline | Xentac: yeah... the "Photonic" theme that I made a while and forgot about |
| 20:01.39 | merlin262 | gonkulator: Tree Items. |
| 20:01.39 | merlin262 | =D |
| 20:01.59 | carpman | haha |
| 20:02.07 | merlin262 | ;P |
| 20:02.34 | scanline | merlin262: you, knave! Go make theme objects for the tabpage widget |
| 20:03.07 | Xentac | a treeitem... like a visual filesystem tree sort of thing? |
| 20:03.12 | merlin262 | Xentac: I pretend to be a developer, but scanline keeps doing things before I get to them... |
| 20:03.18 | Xentac | merlin262: bwahahaha |
| 20:04.08 | Xentac | credit hours? |
| 20:04.31 | gonkulator | Xentac: american college idea |
| 20:04.38 | gonkulator | you canadians won't ever understand |
| 20:04.43 | gonkulator | too complex :p |
| 20:04.50 | Xentac | are they an arbitrary measurement of something like number of classes? |
| 20:04.50 | merlin262 | roflol |
| 20:04.55 | carpman | you canadians wouldn't WANT to understand |
| 20:05.00 | Xentac | carpman: hehehe |
| 20:05.06 | merlin262 | Xentac: 1 credit hour = 1 hour in class, generally |
| 20:05.15 | Xentac | that's per week? |
| 20:05.19 | merlin262 | yea |
| 20:05.23 | Xentac | ah, ok |
| 20:05.29 | Cambo | they use credit hours at my uni |
| 20:05.29 | merlin262 | it's usually doesn't count labs, and such |
| 20:05.29 | gonkulator | scanline: can I have the DCC stick |
| 20:05.44 | Xentac | see... up here in Canadia, he have credits... 1.5 per class, or something stupid like that... |
| 20:05.47 | carpman | merlin262: listen to the song |
| 20:06.07 | gonkulator | oooooh |
| 20:06.10 | Cambo | 3 credit hours usually = 1 class that you registered for |
| 20:06.10 | gonkulator | :) |
| 20:06.15 | gonkulator | scanline: shiny :) |
| 20:06.28 | merlin262 | http://www.textux.com/shots/photonic.jpg |
| 20:06.48 | carpman | merlin262: 404 |
| 20:07.02 | Xentac | 15 credit hours...? something like that... |
| 20:07.24 | merlin262 | http://www.textux.com/shots/photonic.png |
| 20:07.45 | carpman | ooo, nice |
| 20:08.01 | gonkulator | well, time for me to watch a movie |
| 20:08.05 | scanline | dang small theme too |
| 20:08.13 | scanline | 996 bytes |
| 20:08.16 | merlin262 | scanline: is that fluxbox? |
| 20:08.19 | scanline | yes |
| 20:08.25 | carpman | merlin262: did you listen to the song? |
| 20:08.50 | merlin262 | got it playing right nwo |
| 20:10.12 | merlin262 | carpman: /me likes. |
| 20:10.19 | carpman | hehe |
| 20:10.29 | carpman | well, I'm off to bed. Night all |
| 20:10.37 | merlin262 | night carpman |
| 20:10.58 | merlin262 | this is unacceptable, I can't compile, play a dvd, and decode an mp3 will browsing the web without the mp3 skipping |
| 20:10.59 | merlin262 | grrrrrrr |
| 20:11.20 | Xentac | merlin262: what processor? |
| 20:11.24 | merlin262 | 1.33Ghz |
| 20:11.26 | merlin262 | Athlon |
| 20:12.04 | merlin262 | =D |
| 20:12.07 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 20:12.12 | Xentac | get me one too, while you're at it |
| 20:13.50 | merlin262 | the processor industry has really stalled |
| 20:14.07 | merlin262 | no next generation processor for a long while |
| 20:15.11 | Cambo | isn't that what the Itanium is supposed to be? |
| 20:15.30 | merlin262 | Itanic? never will see the desktop, at least for a long while |
| 20:16.14 | *** join/#picogui Thalia (shuyingw@ives.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU) |
| 20:16.27 | Cambo | I can never keep the Itanium and Clawhammer straight |
| 20:19.05 | file[laptop] | mmmm |
| 20:19.10 | file[laptop] | I think I'll leave chimera on overnight |
| 20:19.41 | merlin262 | only been on 12 days right now though.... |
| 20:19.41 | file[laptop] | chimera is my main computer |
| 20:19.52 | Xentac | my laptop's been on for 15... |
| 20:20.13 | merlin262 | my record uptime is about 40 days, usually I upgrade kernels/tweak stuff...... |
| 20:20.34 | file[laptop] | my laptop has been on for 9 and a half hours... |
| 20:20.49 | file[laptop] | anywho |
| 20:20.52 | file[laptop] | g'night to all! |
| 20:21.00 | Xentac | night file[laptop] |
| 20:21.20 | file[laptop] | sleep is good, sleep is great, except when you forget the date |
| 20:49.14 | merlin262 | my school webpage is getting 40 hits a month, and all it has on it is "testing page" |
| 20:50.40 | scanline | 40 a month? |
| 20:55.12 | NonToxic | I get like 200/month on joshuawise.com |
| 20:55.16 | NonToxic | although |
| 20:55.20 | NonToxic | 199 of them are usually scripts |
| 20:55.33 | Xentac | NonToxic: and the other one is you? ;o) |
| 20:55.36 | NonToxic | yeah |
| 20:55.46 | merlin262 | scanline: I haven't advertised it or anything... |
| 20:55.50 | NonToxic | or someone I've referred http://www.joshuawise.com/~joshua/irc.htm to |
| 20:55.50 | merlin262 | makes no sense. |
| 20:55.55 | merlin262 | probably scripts... |
| 20:57.25 | NonToxic | logs say I've been hit by 360 scripts accessing *.exe on my apache box |
| 20:57.28 | NonToxic | respectable |
| 20:58.17 | NonToxic | 1.27 load averager |
| 20:58.40 | ahnkana | where is michael? |
| 20:58.51 | ahnkana | PicoBot: where is michael? |
| 20:58.51 | PicoBot | it has been said that michael is micah's roommate or a junior in aerospace engineering or in AFROTC |
| 20:59.06 | ahnkana | not helpful |
| 20:59.18 | NonToxic | picobot seen michael |
| 20:59.19 | PicoBot | I haven't seen 'michael', NonToxic |
| 20:59.19 | merlin262 | hrm, xine b0rks out on this one particular scene in EpII |
| 21:02.38 | kergoth | <markm> c++: the power, elegance and simplicity of a hand grenade |
| 21:02.39 | kergoth | haha |
| 21:02.43 | NonToxic | Heh |
| 21:02.50 | scanline | hehe |
| 21:02.53 | NonToxic | In C it's easy to shoot yourself in the foot, but when you do it's not a big deal. |
| 21:03.03 | NonToxic | In C++ it's much harder, but when you do you blow off your entire leg. |
| 21:03.07 | merlin262 | roflol |
| 21:03.15 | NonToxic | WTF? ROFLOL?! |
| 21:03.23 | NonToxic | ROTFLMAOOL!! |
| 21:03.23 | ahnkana | merlin262, what are you typing to make it do that? |
| 21:03.36 | merlin262 | typing? |
| 21:03.59 | ahnkana | RO"lolol?" |
| 21:04.10 | ahnkana | ROTFLOL |
| 21:04.18 | ahnkana | ROTFlol |
| 21:04.20 | NonToxic | ROTFLMFAOOL! |
| 21:04.49 | merlin262 | arggghhh, bad DVD, bad |
| 21:04.49 | scanline | ? |
| 21:04.56 | ahnkana | put in parentheses exactly what you are typing, no spaces |
| 21:04.58 | NonToxic | merlin262: try mpg123 |
| 21:05.02 | ahnkana | (mine laughs |
| 21:05.09 | ahnkana | mpg123 |
| 21:05.11 | ahnkana | no |
| 21:05.15 | NonToxic | er doh |
| 21:05.15 | NonToxic | mplayer |
| 21:05.19 | NonToxic | toof |
| 21:05.27 | ahnkana | toof? |
| 21:05.28 | merlin262 | mpg123 |
| 21:05.33 | NonToxic | toof toof toof |
| 21:05.36 | NonToxic | mpg123 only plays audio |
| 21:05.38 | NonToxic | use mplayer |
| 21:05.41 | NonToxic | instead of xine |
| 21:05.50 | scanline | what's wrong with xine? |
| 21:05.55 | ahnkana | if i type (LOL) |
| 21:05.58 | ahnkana | it laughs |
| 21:06.04 | merlin262 | scanline: it's fecking up on a chapter in SW EP II |
| 21:06.11 | ahnkana | when you type what ever you typed, it giggles |
| 21:06.23 | NonToxic | rofl |
| 21:06.27 | NonToxic | like that? |
| 21:06.29 | ahnkana | yes |
| 21:06.39 | kergoth | "I suppose that in a few hours I will sober up. That's such a sad |
| 21:06.40 | kergoth | thought. I think I'll have a few more drinks to prepare myself." |
| 21:06.46 | ahnkana | scared the crap out of my roommate |
| 21:06.46 | NonToxic | ok |
| 21:06.50 | NonToxic | lemme see if the script is right |
| 21:06.51 | NonToxic | ping me |
| 21:06.57 | NonToxic | nope |
| 21:07.07 | NonToxic | some peeps have scriptpings |
| 21:07.22 | NonToxic | ahnkana: no, some scripts do that. |
| 21:07.29 | ahnkana | i know |
| 21:08.54 | merlin262 | hmmm, d5d works just fine |
| 21:09.00 | merlin262 | dvdnav didn't like it |
| 21:16.25 | ahnkana | damn |
| 21:16.48 | merlin262 | thought you where asleep ahnkana |
| 21:16.54 | ahnkana | no |
| 21:17.02 | ahnkana | why would i be asleep? |
| 21:17.11 | *** join/#picogui stefp (~stef@193.252.170.72) |
| 21:27.37 | darth_iBook | OMG |
| 21:27.49 | darth_iBook | I just got goldfinger's cover of 99 luftballoons, it's so cool |
| 21:32.26 | Cambo | get goldfingers song "open your eyes" it's pretty cool |
| 21:34.33 | Cambo | later |
| 21:37.47 | Xentac | scanline: you there? |
| 21:37.52 | scanline | yeah |
| 21:38.08 | Xentac | what's navi's ip? dns seems to not want to resolve... |
| 21:38.25 | scanline | 128.138.2.241 |
| 21:38.30 | *** part/#picogui Thalia (shuyingw@ives.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU) |
| 21:38.37 | Xentac | cool, thanks |
| 21:43.59 | Toxicode | ~~ |
| 21:43.59 | | Toxicode: I give up, what is it? |
| 21:44.30 | Toxicode | Damn, picobot doesn't like it. |
| 21:46.53 | *** join/#picogui o-_-o (blade@128.248.169.182) |
| 21:47.15 | o-_-o | can I write opengl apps for picogui ? |
| 21:47.33 | scanline | no |
| 21:47.41 | o-_-o | ok |
| 21:49.19 | Xentac | hey... where's keysersoze? |
| 21:50.13 | *** part/#picogui o-_-o (blade@128.248.169.182) |
| 21:54.23 | Xentac | another instance of Xentac radio, if anyone cares... join #xentac-radio if you do |
| 21:58.20 | *** join/#picogui gonkulator (~AthIRC@user-33qtvqd.dialup.mindspring.com) |
| 21:59.01 | Xentac | hey gonkulator |
| 21:59.53 | gonkulator | hi Xentac |
| 22:00.32 | gonkulator | yep, sorry |
| 22:00.44 | Xentac | it's all good |
| 22:01.50 | *** join/#picogui LoneTech (~yann@h234n2fls34o808.telia.com) |
| 22:02.03 | gonkulator | howdy LoneTech |
| 22:02.06 | LoneTech | lo |
| 22:02.08 | Xentac | hey LoneTech |
| 22:03.22 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 22:03.22 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 15 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: no [Sun Nov 17 21:50:44 2002] |
| 22:15.23 | ahnkana | hi gonkulator |
| 22:16.13 | ahnkana | PicoBot: poke |
| 22:16.21 | ahnkana | PicoBot:poke poke |
| 22:16.21 | PicoBot | quit that! |
| 22:16.23 | gonkulator | hi ahnkana |
| 22:16.30 | gonkulator | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke |
| 22:16.45 | captain_proton | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke |
| 22:16.46 | ahnkana | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke |
| 22:17.04 | ahnkana | PicoBot:poke poke poke poke poke poke |
| 22:17.05 | PicoBot | leave me the fuck alone, moron |
| 22:17.23 | LoneTech | mind your language, PicoBot |
| 22:17.23 | PicoBot | LoneTech: sorry... |
| 22:17.41 | Xentac | hehehe, surprisingly enough that worked out |
| 22:18.09 | Xentac | it was picobot's response |
| 22:18.25 | Xentac | mind your language, picobot |
| 22:18.26 | PicoBot | Xentac: excuse me? |
| 22:18.30 | gonkulator | ahnkana: whats up? |
| 22:18.31 | Xentac | LoneTech: see? |
| 22:18.35 | LoneTech | yes, I see |
| 22:18.35 | Xentac | random responses... |
| 22:18.41 | ahnkana | not much |
| 22:19.02 | LoneTech | but PicoBot hadn't said anything bad when you said that, so it's normal for it to ask you why you said that |
| 22:19.27 | gonkulator | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke poke poke |
| 22:19.28 | PicoBot | gonkulator: what? |
| 22:19.36 | gonkulator | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke poke |
| 22:19.36 | PicoBot | gonkulator: excuse me? |
| 22:19.41 | Xentac | LoneTech: ah.. I see... you're trying to read intelligence into random() |
| 22:19.45 | gonkulator | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke |
| 22:19.48 | LoneTech | :P |
| 22:19.51 | ahnkana | poke poke poke poke poke poke poke |
| 22:19.54 | Toxicode | picobot literal poke |
| 22:19.55 | PicoBot | Toxicode: poke =is= <action> cries |
| 22:19.55 | ahnkana | opps |
| 22:19.58 | Toxicode | picobot literal poke poke |
| 22:19.59 | PicoBot | Toxicode: poke poke =is= <reply> quit that! |
| 22:20.02 | Toxicode | picobot literal poke poke poke |
| 22:20.02 | PicoBot | Toxicode: poke poke poke =is= <reply> STOP POKING ME |
| 22:20.04 | Toxicode | picobot literal poke poke poke poke |
| 22:20.05 | PicoBot | Toxicode: poke poke poke poke =is= <action> starts poking back! |
| 22:20.07 | Toxicode | picobot literal poke poke poke poke poke |
| 22:20.07 | PicoBot | Toxicode: poke poke poke poke poke =is= <action> thinks this is enough and evolves into Pico Chu, the embedded Poke-mon |
| 22:20.09 | Toxicode | picobot literal poke poke poke poke poke poke |
| 22:20.09 | PicoBot | Toxicode: sorry... |
| 22:20.22 | ahnkana | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke poke |
| 22:20.23 | PicoBot | ahnkana: sorry... |
| 22:20.27 | LoneTech | PicoBot: me? |
| 22:20.27 | PicoBot | i think LoneTech is Yann Vernier |
| 22:20.34 | Toxicode | PicoBot: emulate me |
| 22:20.35 | PicoBot | Toxicode: what? |
| 22:20.38 | Toxicode | what?!?! |
| 22:20.40 | Toxicode | ibot: emulate me |
| 22:20.40 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Toxicode |
| 22:20.46 | Toxicode | oh duh |
| 22:20.47 | ahnkana | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke poke poke |
| 22:21.02 | nontoxic | PicoBot: emulate me |
| 22:21.18 | nontoxic | PicoBot: emulate lalo |
| 22:21.21 | nontoxic | PicoBot: emulate scanline |
| 22:21.28 | nontoxic | PicoBot: emulate ahnkana |
| 22:21.28 | PicoBot | nontoxic: huh? |
| 22:21.33 | nontoxic | PicoBot: emulate ibot |
| 22:21.34 | captain_proton | *gasp* |
| 22:21.43 | nontoxic | PicoBot: attract ibot |
| 22:21.44 | PicoBot | ibot: wink wink |
| 22:21.44 | | PicoBot: hubba hubba |
| 22:21.46 | captain_proton | PicoBot: emulate ahnkana is <action> is short |
| 22:21.46 | gonkulator | captain_proton: whats up? |
| 22:21.47 | PicoBot | OK, captain_proton. |
| 22:21.48 | captain_proton | :) |
| 22:21.51 | captain_proton | yo gonkulator |
| 22:22.32 | gonkulator | PicoBot: emulate ahnkana |
| 22:22.32 | PicoBot | gonkulator: sorry... |
| 22:22.55 | gonkulator | PicoBot: emulate ahnkana is <action> \is short |
| 22:22.55 | PicoBot | OK, gonkulator. |
| 22:22.58 | gonkulator | PicoBot: emulate ahnkana |
| 22:24.02 | ahnkana | ha |
| 22:24.11 | ahnkana | PicoBot: emulate ahnkana |
| 22:24.45 | gonkulator | PicoBot: forget emulate ahnkana |
| 22:24.46 | PicoBot | gonkulator: I forgot emulate ahnkana |
| 22:24.48 | ahnkana | no |
| 22:25.07 | gonkulator | PicoBot: emulate scanline |
| 22:25.15 | gonkulator | PicoBot: emulate raster |
| 22:25.23 | merlin262 | PicoBot: emulate merlin262 |
| 22:25.24 | PicoBot | blehhhhhh or the |
| 22:25.30 | merlin262 | PicoBot: forget emulate merlin262 |
| 22:25.30 | PicoBot | merlin262: I forgot emulate merlin262 |
| 22:25.32 | gonkulator | which one is the "ooh shiny" one |
| 22:25.38 | merlin262 | PicoBot: emulate merlin262 is <reply> blehhhhhhhhh |
| 22:25.38 | PicoBot | OK, merlin262. |
| 22:25.43 | merlin262 | PicoBot: thanks |
| 22:25.43 | PicoBot | merlin262: my pleasure |
| 22:25.52 | ahnkana | emulate ahnkana |
| 22:25.59 | ahnkana | PicoBot: emulate ahnkana |
| 22:26.12 | LoneTech | PicoBot: emulate kiki |
| 22:26.12 | PicoBot | sure, I will emulate in a... ooh, what is this? oooh, shiny! |
| 22:26.34 | gonkulator | LoneTech: thanks :) |
| 22:26.49 | merlin262 | PicoBot: emulate gonkulator |
| 22:26.49 | PicoBot | I am gonkulator, hear me gonkulate! |
| 22:27.54 | LoneTech | PicoBot: emulate riff |
| 22:27.54 | PicoBot | emulate? hmm, let me check my notes |
| 22:28.18 | merlin262 | w1 := u1/(int(u1*u1,x=0..2))^0.5; |
| 22:28.40 | ahnkana | emulate gonkulator |
| 22:28.47 | ahnkana | PicoBot: emulate gonkulator |
| 22:28.59 | gonkulator | PicoBot: forget emulate gonkulator |
| 22:28.59 | PicoBot | gonkulator: I forgot emulate gonkulator |
| 22:29.04 | ahnkana | hahaha |
| 22:29.06 | ahnkana | lol |
| 22:29.13 | gonkulator | PicoBot: emulate gonkulator is <reply> I am gonkulator, hear me gonkulate |
| 22:29.13 | PicoBot | OK, gonkulator. |
| 22:29.26 | ahnkana | mine was funnier |
| 22:30.05 | LoneTech | guess nobody bothered to put in an emulation of me |
| 22:30.42 | gonkulator | PicoBot: emulate LoneTech is <action> hangs upside down and takes a picture (: |
| 22:30.42 | PicoBot | ...but emulate lonetech is <action> is sad, nobody wants to immitate me :-(... |
| 22:30.57 | gonkulator | PicoBot: forget emulate LoneTech |
| 22:30.58 | PicoBot | gonkulator: I forgot emulate lonetech |
| 22:31.00 | gonkulator | PicoBot: emulate LoneTech is <action> hangs upside down and takes a picture (: |
| 22:31.00 | PicoBot | OK, gonkulator. |
| 22:31.06 | gonkulator | LoneTech: (: |
| 22:31.26 | LoneTech | who here has not seen that picture? |
| 22:32.23 | gonkulator | http://picogui.org/people/11.html |
| 22:32.24 | ahnkana | me |
| 22:32.42 | gonkulator | ^ link |
| 22:33.26 | LoneTech | hm |
| 22:33.53 | LoneTech | I didn't know of /people/ |
| 22:34.22 | gonkulator | yeah :) |
| 22:34.22 | gonkulator | scanline did it a while ago |
| 22:34.55 | gonkulator | merlin262: send scanline a picture of you so he can put it in the people piece of picogui.org |
| 22:35.09 | merlin262 | gonkulator: /me has no pic. |
| 22:35.22 | LoneTech | I wonder if Xentac will react. |
| 22:35.32 | ahnkana | gonkulator: how about a comprimise |
| 22:35.34 | Xentac | react...? |
| 22:35.37 | Xentac | to what...? |
| 22:35.39 | ahnkana | PicoBot: emulate gonkulator |
| 22:35.55 | gonkulator | hmm... |
| 22:35.58 | Xentac | ahnkana: hehehe |
| 22:36.05 | gonkulator | ahnkana: its good |
| 22:36.06 | LoneTech | Xentac: the picture |
| 22:36.17 | Xentac | I saw the picture a long time ago... |
| 22:36.17 | LoneTech | apparently gonkulator posted a link |
| 22:36.18 | ahnkana | gonkulator: hehehe |
| 22:36.20 | LoneTech | oh |
| 22:36.29 | gonkulator | http://picogui.org/people/11.html |
| 22:36.32 | LoneTech | oh, double "not" |
| 22:36.33 | LoneTech | sorry |
| 22:36.38 | Xentac | hehehe, double not ;o) |
| 22:36.52 | Xentac | hey... what's that red on the wall? |
| 22:37.08 | LoneTech | hm? |
| 22:37.17 | captain_proton | my roommate appears to have escaped |
| 22:37.19 | Xentac | look at the pic... on the left wall... |
| 22:37.28 | Xentac | captain_proton: release the hounds! |
| 22:37.42 | LoneTech | dunno |
| 22:37.50 | gonkulator | captain_proton: time to murder him :) |
| 22:38.06 | captain_proton | i fear more for the world than for him |
| 22:38.26 | merlin262 | w00t! |
| 22:38.38 | gonkulator | captain_proton: just as long as he doesn't run into any music majors, we should be ok |
| 22:38.38 | captain_proton | shortly i'll have random people coming up to me on the street and asking about cardboard socks |
| 22:38.39 | merlin262 | =D |
| 22:38.55 | gonkulator | cardboard socks eh? |
| 22:39.03 | gonkulator | that happened to me four weeks ago |
| 22:39.16 | merlin262 | PicoBot: merlin262 is also the IDEA MAN |
| 22:39.17 | PicoBot | okay, merlin262. |
| 22:39.21 | merlin262 | PicoBot: merlin262 |
| 22:39.21 | PicoBot | you are the creator of the Death and SDL version of sasteroids. or has NO FSCKING MERCY!!!!! or prejudiced against all stupid people. or unable to come up with a name for the nameless distro or the IDEA MAN |
| 22:39.29 | ahnkana | yo uwon the lottery |
| 22:39.43 | ahnkana | your shaer totaling 2 dollar in quarters |
| 22:39.51 | ahnkana | which you gave to scanline |
| 22:39.54 | gonkulator | merlin262: that should be FECKING MERCY |
| 22:40.29 | merlin262 | gonkulator: /me didn't write that one. :D |
| 22:40.33 | LoneTech | lo scanline |
| 22:40.39 | scanline | hiya LoneTech |
| 22:40.56 | ahnkana | PicoBot:emulate ahnkana |
| 22:41.00 | captain_proton | beware, innocent inodes. for merlin262 has NO FSCKING MERCY |
| 22:41.15 | gonkulator | FECKING MERCY |
| 22:41.18 | gonkulator | FECKING!!!! |
| 22:41.28 | captain_proton | what do inodes have to do with fecking? |
| 22:42.09 | LoneTech | hm, does anyone know how to play an apple quicktime movie? |
| 22:42.10 | gonkulator | with a capitol F |
| 22:42.19 | gonkulator | LoneTech: I use quicktime |
| 22:42.40 | ahnkana | gonkulator: dumB |
| 22:42.47 | LoneTech | I have a beatles movie on cd-rom but not the mac it was made for |
| 22:42.48 | scanline | LoneTech: depending on the codec, mplayer might handle it |
| 22:43.18 | LoneTech | mplayer can't demux it, doesn't recognize the file |
| 22:43.28 | LoneTech | neither data fork nor macbinary |
| 22:43.45 | scanline | hmm |
| 22:43.55 | LoneTech | same with quicktime4linux etc |
| 22:44.05 | LoneTech | quicktime player for windows doesn't recognize it either |
| 22:44.17 | Xentac | but it works on a mac fine? |
| 22:44.23 | gonkulator | LoneTech: let me see if OS X's apple thing works |
| 22:44.31 | gonkulator | LoneTech: DCC it to me or give me a link |
| 22:44.50 | LoneTech | Xentac: supposedly. my mac doesn't have 8bit+ graphics or a cd-rom drive. |
| 22:45.03 | Xentac | hehehe, I see |
| 22:45.12 | Xentac | and it's not the cd? you can read the file fine? |
| 22:45.18 | LoneTech | gonkulator: I think I don't have it ripped atm.. wait a bit |
| 22:45.27 | gonkulator | LoneTech: oh, ok |
| 22:45.28 | LoneTech | Xentac: it's on the CD, which is HFS only. |
| 22:45.40 | Xentac | and mounting the HFS goes fine? |
| 22:45.50 | captain_proton | need....latte.... |
| 22:45.58 | scanline | mmmmm.... coffee.... |
| 22:46.05 | captain_proton | zzzzzzz |
| 22:46.12 | LoneTech | sorry. I don't have it on the hard disk and the CD is not in the puter. |
| 22:46.23 | gonkulator | LoneTech: ok, its all good |
| 22:46.33 | LoneTech | Xentac: yes, hfsutils and linux' hfs support have no problem accessing it. |
| 22:47.14 | gonkulator | sleepy time |
| 22:47.26 | Xentac | night gonkulator |
| 22:47.37 | gonkulator | night Xentac |
| 22:47.45 | gonkulator | night ahnkana |
| 22:47.49 | gonkulator | night captain_proton |
| 22:47.51 | gonkulator | night darth_iBook |
| 22:47.52 | gonkulator | night fragglet |
| 22:47.54 | gonkulator | night ibot |
| 22:47.57 | darth_iBook | night |
| 22:48.04 | gonkulator | night LoneTech |
| 22:48.05 | gonkulator | night merlin262 |
| 22:48.08 | gonkulator | night PicoBot |
| 22:48.09 | LoneTech | bye gonk |
| 22:48.10 | gonkulator | night scanline |
| 22:52.22 | scanline | ahnkana: michael got back |
| 22:55.45 | nontoxic | picobot slashdot |
| 22:55.46 | PicoBot | Slashdot - Updated 2002-11-18 03:39:17 | As the Spam Turns | Microsoft Profit and Loss by Business Area | Keeping Balance with Vibrating Shoes | ALICE vs. ALICE |
| 22:56.09 | nontoxic | you missed me gonkulator! |
| 22:56.42 | LoneTech | aim more carefully next time |
| 22:56.42 | NonToxic | and me too! |
| 22:57.47 | *** topic/#picogui by scanline -> http://picogui.org || 0.43 released |
| 22:59.03 | ahnkana | scanline: thanks |
| 23:00.05 | ahnkana | *in reference to michael |
| 23:00.10 | ahnkana | not the title |
| 23:00.14 | scanline | I know |
| 23:00.16 | ahnkana | lol |
| 23:00.19 | ahnkana | k] |
| 23:00.54 | captain_proton | bum badum bum bum |
| 23:01.53 | captain_proton | irc humming is fun |
| 23:03.42 | ahnkana | PicoBot: hum |
| 23:03.42 | PicoBot | ahnkana: huh? |
| 23:04.10 | scanline | oh boy, bored people, just what I've always wanted! |
| 23:04.19 | ahnkana | what? |
| 23:04.26 | LoneTech | I think I'm more depressed than bored. |
| 23:05.02 | ahnkana | scanline: you discovered the fountain of youth spewed mountain dew? |
| 23:06.29 | captain_proton | damn, put too much water in the pot |
| 23:06.52 | captain_proton | COFFEE pot |
| 23:06.55 | scanline | ;) |
| 23:07.26 | ahnkana | captain_proton: sure, whatever you say |
| 23:07.50 | captain_proton | otherwise i wouldn't be so bored |
| 23:08.02 | ahnkana | true dat |
| 23:08.07 | ahnkana | so watch reddwarf |
| 23:08.13 | ahnkana | i'll watch one episode |
| 23:08.16 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 23:10.31 | ahnkana | any decision involving me expires in two minutes |
| 23:10.43 | captain_proton | which episode are you on? |
| 23:10.51 | ahnkana | 705 |
| 23:10.53 | ahnkana | i think |
| 23:12.30 | captain_proton | scanline: interested? |
| 23:12.39 | scanline | ok |
| 23:13.50 | captain_proton | hah |
| 23:21.00 | scanline | coffee on its way |
| 23:21.39 | NonToxic | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke poke |
| 23:21.40 | PicoBot | NonToxic: what? |
| 23:21.42 | NonToxic | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke |
| 23:21.45 | NonToxic | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke\ |
| 23:21.46 | PicoBot | NonToxic: sorry... |
| 23:21.47 | NonToxic | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke |
| 23:21.48 | NonToxic | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke |
| 23:21.52 | NonToxic | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke poke |
| 23:21.53 | PicoBot | NonToxic: i'm not following you... |
| 23:21.54 | NonToxic | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke poke poke |
| 23:21.56 | NonToxic | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke poke poke |
| 23:21.58 | NonToxic | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke poke poke poke |
| 23:21.59 | PicoBot | NonToxic: i'm not following you... |
| 23:22.00 | NonToxic | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke poke poke poke poke |
| 23:22.01 | PicoBot | NonToxic: sorry... |
| 23:22.05 | NonToxic | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke poke poke |
| 23:22.08 | NonToxic | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke poke poke |
| 23:22.10 | NonToxic | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke poke poke |
| 23:22.11 | NonToxic | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke poke poke |
| 23:22.15 | NonToxic | PicoBot: literal poke poke poke poke poke poke poke |
| 23:22.15 | PicoBot | NonToxic: poke poke poke poke poke poke poke =is= <action> ceases to poke and starts to bite |
| 23:22.24 | *** mode/#picogui [+o scanline ] by ChanServ |
| 23:22.29 | NonToxic | aaiiee! |
| 23:22.34 | scanline | grr |
| 23:22.44 | *** mode/#picogui [-o scanline ] by scanline |
| 23:23.51 | captain_proton | grumblegrumble |
| 23:34.49 | *** join/#picogui antagonizt (~johnbot@node-423a413a-bos-onnet.worldcom.com) |
| 23:43.17 | *** join/#picogui ibot (ibot@rikers.org) |
| 23:43.17 | *** topic/#picogui is http://picogui.org || 0.43 released |
