| 00:00.08 | gonkulator | brb |
| 00:00.11 | aelfgar | lol ok |
| 00:02.40 | gonkulator | ok, back for 30 seconds |
| 00:02.46 | gonkulator | you get one question :) |
| 00:02.51 | gonkulator | and then I need to go do some other stuff |
| 00:03.01 | aelfgar | lol ok |
| 00:03.06 | aelfgar | my fonts are really small |
| 00:03.09 | aelfgar | how do i fix that |
| 00:03.26 | gonkulator | the way I would fix that is to only compile in one font that is bigger |
| 00:03.32 | aelfgar | ok |
| 00:03.33 | aelfgar | thnx |
| 00:03.36 | gonkulator | there is a better way, but I don't know what it is |
| 00:03.44 | aelfgar | have fun doing whatever it is ur going to do |
| 00:03.49 | gonkulator | probably a command line switch or a configuration file thing |
| 00:05.51 | inside0ut | no :) |
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| 00:12.01 | dacut | In pgserver/include/pgserver/Makefile, there's an assumption made that sh=bash. |
| 00:13.03 | dacut | Line 327, s/sh/${SHELL}/ |
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| 00:15.42 | file | I love flashing to a new BIOS |
| 00:16.04 | aelfgar | file: thats always fun |
| 00:16.21 | file | discovered I could only use the 1.00.03.CN0T version from Gateway |
| 00:16.26 | aelfgar | file: i finally got everything working :) |
| 00:16.30 | file | couldn't use Intel's 1.00.06.CN0T version! |
| 00:16.32 | file | aelfgar: good good |
| 00:18.33 | file | There are 123 customers ahead of you. |
| 00:18.34 | file | LOL |
| 00:18.38 | file | I'm gonna keep that window open |
| 00:19.11 | aelfgar | hahahah |
| 00:20.36 | file | just for no reason... |
| 00:21.06 | file | crap I hit the End Call button |
| 00:22.09 | aelfgar | do u have to start all over? |
| 00:22.09 | file | There are 128 customers ahead of you. |
| 00:22.15 | file | yeah |
| 00:22.17 | file | bah |
| 00:22.22 | file | brb - checking on dog |
| 00:22.43 | aelfgar | picobot time |
| 00:22.43 | PicoBot | rumour has it time is merely the dimension that allows for movement. Movement is the logical result of time. The decision of where the movement will take for each of us is one that exists outside the presence of time, thus making it timeless. or an illusion, lunchtime doubly so |
| 00:24.51 | file | 125. |
| 00:26.56 | file | 124... LOL |
| 00:27.58 | aelfgar | just put it on speaker phone and get a good game out |
| 00:28.10 | file | it's not speaker phone |
| 00:28.14 | file | er phone |
| 00:28.17 | file | it's live online two-way chat |
| 00:28.20 | aelfgar | oh |
| 00:28.24 | aelfgar | well then just get a good game out |
| 00:28.57 | file | I'll watch TV and eat :) |
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| 00:33.12 | danny | i dont have a "convert" command .. anybody know where it originates? a perl script uses it when i run make |
| 00:35.58 | danny | oh.. looks like its from imagemagic.. the doc said i should already have it so i just assumed. doh. |
| 00:41.01 | danny | i keep saying i will try a little harder before i go off and bug people on irc :) |
| 00:46.07 | file | poke |
| 00:57.07 | file | gonkulator: named it yet? |
| 00:57.18 | gonkulator | file: yes, plasma |
| 00:57.40 | file | oh right |
| 00:57.41 | file | I forgot |
| 01:06.57 | gonkulator | captain_proton: prolly not |
| 01:07.02 | gonkulator | captain_proton: I got a new iBook! |
| 01:07.32 | captain_proton | gonkulator: specs? |
| 01:07.49 | gonkulator | 800 mHz Ge |
| 01:07.51 | gonkulator | G3 |
| 01:08.00 | gonkulator | ATI RADEON 7500 w/ 32 meg of RAM |
| 01:08.04 | captain_proton | nice |
| 01:08.18 | gonkulator | 40 gig hard drive |
| 01:08.23 | gonkulator | 640 meg of RAM |
| 01:09.31 | gonkulator | what else... |
| 01:09.46 | gonkulator | 5+ hours of battery life :) |
| 01:09.54 | fragglet | hm |
| 01:10.00 | gonkulator | fragglet: whats up? |
| 01:10.04 | fragglet | heya |
| 01:16.06 | danny | you can buy a new computer with only 800mhz? |
| 01:20.01 | flexo | a G3 is much faster than a x86 with same frequency isn't it? |
| 01:20.32 | flexo | (just because its a non-x86 - 700mhz Alpha is *much* faster than 1.5ghz pentium) |
| 01:23.03 | gonkulator | flexo: right |
| 01:23.20 | flexo | coz its not the cisc/risc mess ;) |
| 01:23.20 | gonkulator | flexo: I don't know how this compares to an Ahtlon |
| 01:23.46 | gonkulator | all I know is that this runs linux pretty well |
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| 01:24.54 | aelfgar | gonkulator: what distro are you running |
| 01:25.06 | danny | macs speed was trashed by everybody on an osnews thread a couple of days ago. i have no idea my self, the closest i've ever came to using a mac was when i picked up the mouse and had a chuckle :) |
| 01:25.41 | aelfgar | danny: mac mice are USB so u can really get any mouse u want |
| 01:25.55 | gonkulator | aelfgar: gentoo |
| 01:26.32 | gonkulator | aelfgar: gentoo rocks on the iBook |
| 01:26.43 | aelfgar | gonkulator: haha i run gentoo as well, i didnt know it had ppc optimization though |
| 01:26.59 | aelfgar | gentoo really sped up my 700 athlon |
| 01:27.12 | gonkulator | it has optimization for any CPU that has GCC optimizations |
| 01:27.56 | file | gonkulator: are you installing it now? |
| 01:27.56 | aelfgar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.15 | gonkulator | no, I am just having dinner right now |
| 01:28.19 | file | k |
| 01:29.00 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen ahnkana |
| 01:29.00 | PicoBot | ahnkana was last seen on #openzaurus 16 minutes and 24 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Sat Nov 23 18:16:23 2002] |
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| 01:29.55 | gonkulator | well, I am going to watch a video |
| 01:30.14 | gonkulator | need the CPU for mpeg4 decoding |
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| 01:37.28 | root_ | q |
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| 01:41.47 | rev | hey hey |
| 01:54.28 | Xentac | hey rev |
| 01:57.25 | rev | hey man |
| 02:02.01 | rev | sorry |
| 02:05.03 | Xentac | don't be sorry, it's all good ;o) |
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| 02:12.29 | rev | yo DevGirl[out] |
| 02:12.30 | rev | er |
| 02:12.31 | rev | dekay: |
| 02:12.40 | dekay | hi |
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| 02:21.10 | file[JamesBond] | 007! |
| 02:21.34 | dekay | I just got things compiled up today. Nice stuff. I'm running the sdlfb driver and I have a question. Each app I start takes either the full height or the full width of the screen. Is there a way to adjust the size of the windows in x and y at the same time? Or do I need a different driver like rootless X? |
| 02:25.56 | *** part/#picogui dekay (dk@Ottawa-ppp147000.sympatico.ca) |
| 02:26.42 | ahnkana | egads |
| 02:26.49 | file[JamesBond] | what???? |
| 02:27.11 | ahnkana | lol |
| 02:27.39 | ahnkana | PicoBot: egads is <reply> what the hell is wrong now? |
| 02:27.40 | PicoBot | bugger all, i dunno, ahnkana |
| 02:27.58 | ahnkana | PicoBot: egads is <reply> what the hell is wrong now |
| 02:27.58 | PicoBot | ahnkana: i haven't a clue |
| 02:28.01 | ahnkana | damn |
| 02:28.01 | ahnkana | k |
| 02:28.16 | ahnkana | file[JamesBond]: egads is an expression of frustration |
| 02:29.04 | dacut | Can anyone here with either a Linux or OSX box tell me if the system includes has sys/param.h ? |
| 02:30.58 | eks | eks@onee-san:/usr/include/sys$ ls param.h |
| 02:30.58 | eks | param.h |
| 02:31.15 | dacut | That's Linux? |
| 02:31.27 | dacut | I'm pretty sure OSX has it, since FreeBSD has it. |
| 02:31.36 | eks | yip |
| 02:31.44 | eks | Debian Linux for DEC Alpha |
| 02:32.11 | dacut | Terrific. |
| 02:34.17 | dacut | Hrm... autoconf is not making the port to FreeBSD easy. <sigh> |
| 02:35.22 | rev | yo |
| 02:35.27 | rev | bummer |
| 02:35.58 | rev | os x has a lot of userland stuff from freebsd, but it's not identical for everything below the gui |
| 02:36.35 | dacut | Right... though if both Linux and FreeBSD have a certain header, I'm guessing OS X will. |
| 02:37.26 | rev | yeah |
| 02:37.44 | rev | but if it doesn't find it, don't assumethe call isn't there; i've found some stuff in OS X is in different headers files |
| 02:37.50 | rev | and just takes a small fix |
| 02:38.12 | captain_proton | scanline wake up! |
| 02:38.19 | file[JamesBond] | rev!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:38.21 | file[JamesBond] | ltns |
| 02:38.28 | dacut | Right. Well, in this case, the pgserver already had the stuff for OSX and Linux, but I wanted sys/param.h to bring in the BSD macro. |
| 02:38.37 | dacut | So including it on other platforms shouldn't hurt. |
| 02:38.41 | dacut | I hope. :-) |
| 02:38.47 | rev | FILE |
| 02:45.03 | file[JamesBond] | :) |
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| 02:47.11 | rev | so |
| 02:50.03 | HMS | so |
| 02:50.07 | HMS | heh |
| 02:55.10 | merlin262 | gday mates |
| 02:55.22 | file[JamesBond] | hi merlin |
| 02:55.39 | merlin262 | did james bond already start? |
| 02:55.43 | merlin262 | damn..... |
| 02:55.55 | *** join/#picogui KeyserSoze (~ksoze@12-245-83-56.client.attbi.com) |
| 02:56.04 | file[JamesBond] | for me yes |
| 02:56.22 | merlin262 | kewl. |
| 02:57.52 | file[JamesBond] | I just scored myself a PCI USB card |
| 02:59.11 | rev | do you guys know the status of the python or perl pgui interface? |
| 02:59.35 | *** join/#picogui gonkulator (~AthIRC@user-33qtvfm.dialup.mindspring.com) |
| 02:59.46 | file[JamesBond] | hi gonkulator |
| 02:59.54 | gonkulator | hi file[JamesBond] |
| 03:00.07 | file[JamesBond] | ahhh I love this part |
| 03:00.10 | gonkulator | hi KeyserSoze |
| 03:00.12 | file[JamesBond] | locked in the train :) |
| 03:00.20 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: I got a new iBook :) |
| 03:00.21 | KeyserSoze | with Jawz? |
| 03:00.26 | KeyserSoze | yay! |
| 03:00.48 | KeyserSoze | is it white? |
| 03:00.57 | gonkulator | yes |
| 03:01.02 | rev | because it's good hardware |
| 03:01.09 | rev | high quality ganja this ibook is |
| 03:01.12 | gonkulator | it is the 12" combo drive one :) |
| 03:01.18 | rev | and a good os |
| 03:01.26 | KeyserSoze | does it have gigabit ethernet? |
| 03:01.40 | rev | not windows and not linux, which are both maddenly deficient in their own ways for the desktop |
| 03:01.47 | rev | ibooks don't have gigabit no |
| 03:01.52 | rev | but the PowerBooks do |
| 03:01.59 | gonkulator | rev: no, have to get a powerbook for gigabit |
| 03:02.14 | rev | [2106] rev: ibooks don't have gigabit no |
| 03:02.15 | rev | [2106] rev: but the PowerBooks do |
| 03:02.59 | KeyserSoze | rev: gonk meant the "no" as agreeing with you, when you responded in the negative to my question |
| 03:03.04 | KeyserSoze | (i think) |
| 03:04.08 | rev | :) |
| 03:04.09 | rev | heh |
| 03:04.11 | rev | me neither |
| 03:04.12 | KeyserSoze | Sophie put gentoo on her machine, so I switched my gentoo machine to be a server for us, and made my gaming machine dual boot gentoo with winXP |
| 03:04.19 | rev | bbl |
| 03:04.22 | gonkulator | rev: I only get 11 baseT anyway :) |
| 03:04.33 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 03:04.34 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 1 days, 1 hours, 9 minutes and 1 seconds ago, saying: there are terms to the -1 power, didn't think that counted as linear [Fri Nov 22 18:59:20 2002] |
| 03:04.39 | gonkulator | dang |
| 03:05.04 | gonkulator | rev: I LIVE in the 802.11 |
| 03:08.24 | KeyserSoze | man, fluxbox looks *way* better on a decent monitor. |
| 03:08.38 | KeyserSoze | my other machine (that I've been using linux on) has a shitty monitor |
| 03:08.56 | KeyserSoze | and at work, the machine i usually use linux on has a *horrible* video card |
| 03:09.19 | HMS | there is no horrible video card with Linux |
| 03:09.22 | HMS | :o) |
| 03:09.22 | KeyserSoze | the work machine used to have a horrible monitor too, but they got me this awesome 22" compaq monitor, that has dual vga inputs |
| 03:09.23 | HMS | heh |
| 03:09.47 | KeyserSoze | HMS: the VC at work makes the whole display squiggle, almost contantly. |
| 03:09.51 | KeyserSoze | and it's blurry, too. |
| 03:10.17 | HMS | how do I star picogui up once installed? |
| 03:10.21 | HMS | start even |
| 03:10.33 | KeyserSoze | HMS: start the server (pgserver &) |
| 03:10.45 | KeyserSoze | and then start an app, like "pterm" |
| 03:10.58 | HMS | kk |
| 03:10.58 | KeyserSoze | pass the server a theme option to make it pretty |
| 03:11.06 | KeyserSoze | "pgserver -t aqua.th" |
| 03:11.19 | HMS | danke |
| 03:11.20 | KeyserSoze | (gotta install the themes, to get them to work) |
| 03:11.29 | HMS | right |
| 03:13.04 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: you were useful! |
| 03:13.09 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: helpful too ;) |
| 03:14.40 | KeyserSoze | btw, i installed my themes in /usr/share/picogui/themes |
| 03:15.12 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: cool, did you put that in your path too? |
| 03:15.15 | KeyserSoze | and then i set my picogui options so that the server automatically looks for themes there, so you only do aqua.th, not /the/whole/feaking/path/aqua.th |
| 03:15.23 | gonkulator | :) |
| 03:15.33 | KeyserSoze | gonkulator: not in the PATH variable, just the picogui server setting |
| 03:15.34 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: fecking |
| 03:15.39 | gonkulator | oh, ok |
| 03:15.43 | KeyserSoze | s/feaking/freaking |
| 03:15.46 | gonkulator | bbiab |
| 03:15.55 | scanline | morning folks |
| 03:16.06 | merlin262 | hey scanline |
| 03:16.11 | gonkulator | scanline! |
| 03:16.13 | merlin262 | life is good w/o technical writing |
| 03:16.13 | merlin262 | =D |
| 03:16.15 | captain_proton | scanline! |
| 03:16.17 | gonkulator | scanline: I got an iBook |
| 03:16.22 | captain_proton | scanline: forbiiiiden planet? :) |
| 03:16.27 | merlin262 | AoFBot: hello |
| 03:16.28 | AoFBot | I don't know about thatmerlin262. |
| 03:16.46 | scanline | captain_proton: sounds good |
| 03:16.49 | scanline | gonkulator: wow |
| 03:17.00 | rev | hey scanline |
| 03:17.05 | scanline | hi rev! |
| 03:17.29 | Talez | I gots work! PHP + SQL internal database, mail servers, networking... |
| 03:17.31 | rev | what are the status of the non-c client libs? |
| 03:17.36 | rev | i am raring to write a PIM app |
| 03:17.48 | rev | now that i have a auxullary pc now |
| 03:18.07 | HMS | KeyserSoze: ran pgserver & and got a error while loading shared libraries: libpng.so3: cannot open shared object file |
| 03:18.14 | KeyserSoze | HMS: if you put your themes in some location, you can put "themedir = /my/theme/location" in pgserver |
| 03:18.20 | HMS | [1] 461 Exit 127 pgserver |
| 03:18.25 | scanline | rev: python works great, perl is barely started, no c++, there are also lua, tcl, and waba but I haven't tried them |
| 03:18.36 | KeyserSoze | HMS: do you have libpng.so3? |
| 03:18.48 | HMS | I dun think so |
| 03:18.52 | HMS | let me check |
| 03:19.00 | rev | there is lua?! |
| 03:19.02 | rev | who did that? |
| 03:19.03 | KeyserSoze | do you have like, libpng.so? |
| 03:19.04 | rev | wow |
| 03:19.24 | rev | i was going to do that at one point, but have a problem with keeping interest in projects where i have to use C |
| 03:19.26 | rev | sweet |
| 03:19.32 | rev | still need that PIM? |
| 03:19.57 | HMS | I don't think I have that |
| 03:20.02 | KeyserSoze | HMS: mine are in /usr/lib |
| 03:20.18 | KeyserSoze | and libpng.so3 is a symlink to libpng12.so.0.1.2.4 |
| 03:20.31 | KeyserSoze | which is the same as libpng.so |
| 03:20.34 | HMS | just froze on me, rebooting |
| 03:20.36 | gonkulator | scanline: it is one of the new combo drive models ;) |
| 03:20.59 | KeyserSoze | HMS: if you have libpng.so, make libpng.so3 symlink to the same thing as it |
| 03:21.12 | gonkulator | scanline: our hard drives are comming in on tuesday |
| 03:21.22 | KeyserSoze | HMS: if not, and if you are running gentoo, do "emerge libpng" |
| 03:21.41 | HMS | I don't have libpng |
| 03:21.42 | HMS | heh |
| 03:21.57 | gonkulator | HMS: that helps a little |
| 03:22.02 | KeyserSoze | HMS: what distro are you using? |
| 03:22.12 | HMS | OZ |
| 03:22.19 | KeyserSoze | (if you know how to install libpng, ignore my ramblings) |
| 03:22.22 | gonkulator | HMS: desktop distro |
| 03:22.39 | HMS | I run Slack 8, but I'm not using that box right now, it's busy |
| 03:22.45 | HMS | I'm on winders |
| 03:22.46 | gonkulator | HMS: if you run OZ on your desktop, I would have to be curious :) |
| 03:22.56 | KeyserSoze | oh, are you running picogui on your zaurus? |
| 03:23.08 | HMS | HAHA, no OZ, I'm trying to run picogui on my Zaurus |
| 03:23.24 | KeyserSoze | maybe the guys in #zaurus or #openzaurus can help... |
| 03:23.32 | HMS | I'll give a hollar |
| 03:24.01 | KeyserSoze | brb, gotta reboot to get my new kernel with the USB support |
| 03:24.36 | gonkulator | scanline: it is so fecking fast |
| 03:24.44 | gonkulator | scanline: gentoo is gonna fly on it! |
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| 03:29.33 | gonkulator | wb KeyserSoze |
| 03:29.38 | KeyserSoze | howdy |
| 03:29.40 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 03:29.41 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 11 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: goes to watch a movie with captain_proton, will be back after that [Sat Nov 23 20:22:26 2002] |
| 03:29.47 | gonkulator | oh |
| 03:29.55 | KeyserSoze | my usb compact flash and smart media reader is working in this pc now... |
| 03:30.00 | gonkulator | :) |
| 03:30.01 | file[JamesBond] | eks? |
| 03:30.07 | gonkulator | yay for working hardware |
| 03:30.09 | KeyserSoze | but, it still doesn't seem to autodetect it quickly enough for my liking |
| 03:30.47 | eks | rev: ? |
| 03:30.49 | eks | file[JamesBond]: ? |
| 03:31.06 | gonkulator | revision |
| 03:31.10 | gonkulator | maybe ;) |
| 03:31.13 | file[JamesBond] | eks: how long have you known sleep- ? |
| 03:31.13 | eks | ;) |
| 03:31.22 | eks | file[JamesBond]: 0s |
| 03:31.30 | file[JamesBond] | eks: huh? |
| 03:31.36 | eks | I don't know who that person is |
| 03:31.39 | merlin262 | now, I have time to do some coding, but no willpower left. |
| 03:31.40 | file[JamesBond] | k |
| 03:31.44 | file[JamesBond] | he's a person in osdev... |
| 03:31.49 | file[JamesBond] | offering to send me a PCI USB card |
| 03:31.54 | gonkulator | merlin262: same thing happened to me yesterday |
| 03:31.58 | eks | huhuh... |
| 03:32.08 | eks | file[JamesBond]: I don't know him |
| 03:32.10 | merlin262 | gonkulator: sucks, doesn't it. :( |
| 03:32.11 | file[JamesBond] | eks: k |
| 03:32.15 | file[JamesBond] | thought you might |
| 03:32.17 | file[JamesBond] | your not in there btw |
| 03:32.23 | KeyserSoze | yay! i can mount them with gkrellm, too! |
| 03:32.28 | gonkulator | merlin262: I am kinda feeling it right now |
| 03:32.30 | eks | file[JamesBond]: too much noise ;) |
| 03:32.34 | file[JamesBond] | eks: Hehe |
| 03:32.37 | gonkulator | I think it is because I have some machines to configure |
| 03:32.55 | merlin262 | On another note, if anyone ever uses the words 'technical' and 'writing' in a certain order in my presence, I will have the drawn and quarted.... |
| 03:33.29 | gonkulator | uh oh... |
| 03:33.31 | KeyserSoze | does the same IRC channel count as "in my presence"? |
| 03:33.50 | merlin262 | KeyserSoze: I have connections. f33r me. |
| 03:34.03 | KeyserSoze | s/f33r/ph33r |
| 03:34.07 | KeyserSoze | :p |
| 03:34.14 | gonkulator | yeah, I'll drive him up from texas to Michigan so he can kick your ass |
| 03:34.16 | merlin262 | damn! damn! my poor l33t skillz! |
| 03:37.58 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: age old question |
| 03:38.06 | KeyserSoze | gonkulator: what do you do? |
| 03:38.20 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: both |
| 03:38.31 | KeyserSoze | i better have dhcp, at least for my zaurus, and visiting laptops, zaurii, and LAN partiers |
| 03:38.36 | gonkulator | static IPs on the wired boxes |
| 03:38.41 | gonkulator | dhcp for the wireless |
| 03:39.00 | merlin262 | and the router/dhcp server. |
| 03:39.16 | KeyserSoze | do you hard code /etc/hosts on those machines? |
| 03:39.24 | KeyserSoze | or have a name server to take care of all that? |
| 03:39.44 | merlin262 | nameserver is a seperate box than the router/dhcp server tho |
| 03:39.51 | merlin262 | it also does internet domains. :D |
| 03:39.51 | KeyserSoze | why seperate box? |
| 03:39.59 | merlin262 | the router is a hardware router. |
| 03:40.00 | file[JamesBond] | Gateway is trying to find my customer information |
| 03:40.02 | file[JamesBond] | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 03:40.05 | file[JamesBond] | There is none |
| 03:40.42 | merlin262 | the whole thing is on 10/100 switches. :D |
| 03:41.30 | KeyserSoze | does that make sense? or should people SSH into the IPX, and then SSH to the other machines from there? |
| 03:41.50 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: port forwarding is your friend |
| 03:41.54 | merlin262 | KeyserSoze: i have a similar setup, i'd have the router doing dns as well, but it doesn't have the ability, being a el' cheapo hardware-router |
| 03:42.33 | KeyserSoze | i have a linksys router right now, but as soon as my sbus ethernet card comes in, the IPX will be doing the routing. |
| 03:42.42 | file[JamesBond] | idiot Gateway support |
| 03:42.49 | file[JamesBond] | didn't even answer my question |
| 03:43.13 | fragglet | "the names bond. file[jamesbond]." |
| 03:44.04 | file[JamesBond] | "are only Gateway BIOS updates allowed? "yes you can update your system using Gateway BIOS updates" |
| 03:50.53 | KeyserSoze | is NFS still good? or has it been supplanted by something, as telnet has been supplanted by SSH? |
| 03:51.21 | fragglet | no and no |
| 03:51.56 | KeyserSoze | what should i use instead of nfs? |
| 03:51.59 | merlin262 | there are a few protocols-over-nfs that are supposed to work better. |
| 03:52.11 | merlin262 | I dunno, I'm generally lazy and use samba. :( |
| 03:53.11 | KeyserSoze | is samba as good as nfs? |
| 03:53.31 | KeyserSoze | i already have samba set up, for the MS windows machines on the network. |
| 03:53.50 | KeyserSoze | and it's very easy to just add the samba client to the linux machines |
| 03:55.12 | KeyserSoze | merlin262: do you have passwords on each machine, or do you use yellowpages? |
| 03:57.02 | merlin262 | KeyserSoze: i haven't gotten around to setting up any sort of password/username servers yet. |
| 03:57.08 | merlin262 | KeyserSoze: it's all just on each machine |
| 03:57.15 | merlin262 | which kindof makes life difficult. :( |
| 03:57.55 | KeyserSoze | would i want NIS on the router/firewall/NDS/dhcp server? |
| 03:57.57 | merlin262 | KeyserSoze: my project to setup that computer(which will also serve mp3s and be a dns server, and passwds, etc...) is currently in several pieces spread across my room. |
| 03:58.20 | merlin262 | KeyserSoze: I wouldn't, better not to have an all-the-eggs-in-one basket thing |
| 03:58.43 | KeyserSoze | yeah, i'll put NIS (if NIS is the write term) on the file server. |
| 03:58.56 | merlin262 | my end goal is to have my firewall/router/dhcp server, then a NIS/file/DNS server. |
| 03:59.41 | KeyserSoze | don't dhcp server set machine names, sometimes? |
| 04:00.09 | merlin262 | hmmmm, yea, but the hardware box is setup to do it.... |
| 04:00.16 | merlin262 | it's an el cheapo linksys thingy. |
| 04:00.48 | merlin262 | my plan is just to have the names localnet-<IP#> |
| 04:01.15 | KeyserSoze | ? |
| 04:01.48 | merlin262 | the names will be setup on the NS such that the automatically numbered computers name is just localnet128, localnet129 --- eg the ip #. |
| 04:01.58 | *** part/#picogui danny (~danny@stjh1-1898.nb.aliant.net) |
| 04:02.18 | merlin262 | i won't really need to be logging into any of these computers anyway, sense they are all either #1 - work laptops from my dad, or #2 - friend's machines.... |
| 04:02.19 | KeyserSoze | oh, gotcha |
| 04:02.36 | merlin262 | friends just login into the file server to upload their shiznit's |
| 04:02.53 | merlin262 | (said file server being in pieces right now...) |
| 04:03.02 | merlin262 | going to have 60GiG of HD space..... |
| 04:03.17 | file[JamesBond] | wth... it won't let me install this chipset software |
| 04:03.33 | KeyserSoze | so, you'll have read access for just about anyone, and write access for your own machines? |
| 04:03.44 | merlin262 | KeyserSoze: yep. |
| 04:04.10 | merlin262 | hopefully w/ a 24-7 streaming techno server going on... |
| 04:04.17 | KeyserSoze | cool |
| 04:04.49 | merlin262 | I love the stuff you can do with old shiat + linux |
| 04:07.09 | merlin262 | and one old ppc |
| 04:07.28 | KeyserSoze | is it a mac? |
| 04:07.35 | merlin262 | a PowerComputing |
| 04:07.44 | KeyserSoze | never heard of it. |
| 04:07.50 | merlin262 | a Mac clone |
| 04:07.57 | merlin262 | made for all of 2 months |
| 04:14.46 | KeyserSoze | say, if a machine is running NIS, and the NIS server goes down, is it impossible to login to that machine? |
| 04:15.07 | KeyserSoze | s/running/set to authenticate passwords using |
| 04:15.57 | merlin262 | I imagine it would depend on your setup |
| 04:16.18 | merlin262 | you'd need to look at the pam setup |
| 04:16.46 | merlin262 | I think it's possible to have local users..... |
| 04:16.46 | file | sleep is good. |
| 04:16.51 | file | time for sleep? if you say so! |
| 04:16.58 | file[JamesBond] | I say so! |
| 04:17.02 | file | that I do. |
| 04:17.43 | merlin262 | hehehehehe |
| 04:18.38 | merlin262 | KeyserSoze: are you actually setting up NIS right nwo? |
| 04:19.28 | KeyserSoze | merlin262: just reading the howto |
| 04:19.52 | KeyserSoze | does root also use NIS? or just regular users? |
| 04:20.15 | KeyserSoze | i think i'd like to at least have root be local... |
| 04:20.39 | merlin262 | KeyserSoze: it's been a long while sense I've looked at this stuff, IRC root is/should be a local user. |
| 04:21.17 | KeyserSoze | that makes sense |
| 04:26.58 | *** join/#picogui danny (~danny@stjh1-1898.nb.aliant.net) |
| 04:27.19 | ahnkana | durg |
| 04:27.22 | *** part/#picogui ahnkana (~Ahnkana@aden2-135-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU) |
| 04:28.14 | danny | i started picogui and got the white screen.. now how do i close it? |
| 04:28.41 | merlin262 | very carefully. :P |
| 04:29.33 | KeyserSoze | danny: are you running it as a window, in X? |
| 04:29.45 | danny | window |
| 04:29.52 | KeyserSoze | then just close the window. |
| 04:29.59 | KeyserSoze | or ctrl-c where you started it. |
| 04:30.03 | KeyserSoze | or kill the process |
| 04:30.23 | file | PicoBot: PicoGUI error 29? |
| 04:30.23 | PicoBot | well, PicoGUI error 29 is "An error of type %s occurred in %s:\\\\ the application?" |
| 04:30.27 | file | PicoBot: PicoGUI error 30? |
| 04:30.27 | PicoBot | i think PicoGUI error 30 is "The application type you need does not exist." |
| 04:30.33 | file | uh huh |
| 04:32.53 | KeyserSoze | it looks like a client doesn't verify that it is talking to the real NIS, and it'd be very easy for someone to pretend to be the NIS (make the DNS point to them instead of the real NIS, or DoS/crash the NIS, and use it's IP address) |
| 04:38.04 | merlin262 | KeyserSoze: you could use kerberos |
| 04:39.05 | file | eh sleepy time |
| 04:39.19 | NonToxic | file, wasn't that like 20 minutes ago? =) |
| 04:39.22 | merlin262 | http://web.mit.edu/kerberos/www/ |
| 04:39.24 | KeyserSoze | merlin262: do you have a domain name for your network? |
| 04:39.42 | KeyserSoze | and if so, is it a real internet domain? |
| 04:40.29 | merlin262 | KeyserSoze: nothing of meaning |
| 04:40.38 | KeyserSoze | kerberos = 3 headed dog that guarded hell in greek/roman mythology? |
| 04:41.09 | KeyserSoze | merlin262: how do you pick a domain, and what would happen if it existed somewhere in the internet? would you not be able to go to that website, for example? |
| 04:41.46 | merlin262 | KeyserSoze: in general, a few wierd things can happen.... |
| 04:42.44 | KeyserSoze | so i should pick a unique one, or just stick with "localdomain". |
| 04:43.40 | merlin262 | KeyserSoze: you don't have to use a real tld |
| 04:43.48 | HMS | bbl |
| 04:43.49 | KeyserSoze | what's a tld? |
| 04:44.00 | merlin262 | top level domain: .com, .edu, .etc... |
| 04:44.39 | KeyserSoze | oh, okay. that's cool. so i could have "slashdot.fake", and it won't interfere with "slashdot.org" |
| 04:44.48 | merlin262 | :) |
| 04:47.06 | KeyserSoze | is kerberos different from ssh? |
| 04:47.36 | KeyserSoze | s/different from/unrelated to |
| 04:48.50 | merlin262 | yes |
| 04:57.32 | *** join/#picogui darth_iBook (~darth_bal@242.denver-23-24rs.co.dial-access.att.net) |
| 04:57.54 | darth_iBook | hi kids |
| 04:58.17 | KeyserSoze | howdy |
| 04:58.49 | darth_iBook | PicoBot: seen DevGirl[out]? |
| 04:58.49 | PicoBot | DevGirl[out] was last seen on #picogui 11 hours, 23 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: bye, ppl [Sat Nov 23 10:38:41 2002] |
| 04:58.59 | darth_iBook | PicoBot: seen DevGirl |
| 04:58.59 | PicoBot | DevGirl was last seen on #picogui 11 hours, 24 minutes and 21 seconds ago, saying: has to go... Mom is bored here :D [Sat Nov 23 10:38:26 2002] |
| 04:59.15 | darth_iBook | KeyserSoze: do you know, did she have the baby yet? |
| 04:59.44 | KeyserSoze | darth_iBook: i don't think so |
| 04:59.50 | darth_iBook | oh |
| 04:59.56 | KeyserSoze | but, last i heard was from yesterday, so who knows |
| 05:00.13 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: seen lalo? |
| 05:00.13 | PicoBot | lalo was last seen on #picogui 4 days, 16 hours, 3 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying: woot, it is. [Tue Nov 19 06:00:32 2002] |
| 05:00.21 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: seen DevGirl[out]? |
| 05:00.22 | PicoBot | DevGirl[out] was last seen on #picogui 11 hours, 25 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying: bye, ppl [Sat Nov 23 10:38:41 2002] |
| 05:00.48 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: seen lalo[out]? |
| 05:00.48 | PicoBot | lalo[out] was last seen on #picogui 4 days, 16 hours, 2 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: bye scanline [Tue Nov 19 06:01:38 2002] |
| 05:03.05 | file | dammit |
| 05:03.08 | file | I've got something in my eye |
| 05:03.10 | file | and I can't get it out |
| 05:03.29 | darth_iBook | file: it's called a retina and it's supposed to be there ^_^ |
| 05:07.22 | *** join/#picogui flexo (~flexo@pD95386A4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 05:08.27 | merlin262 | the only problem w/ it is: who's objective c are you learning? |
| 05:08.35 | merlin262 | it's probably the most nonstandardized language in existance. |
| 05:08.47 | KeyserSoze | who pushes objective c? is it apple? |
| 05:08.55 | darth_iBook | yeah |
| 05:09.02 | darth_iBook | it's used most often in Cocoa |
| 05:09.12 | darth_iBook | which is why I'm learning it, I'm reading a book on Cocoa right now |
| 05:09.20 | darth_iBook | and watching Stargate |
| 05:09.27 | KeyserSoze | movie or series? |
| 05:09.31 | darth_iBook | movie |
| 05:09.35 | darth_iBook | it's on Sci-Fi again |
| 05:10.25 | darth_iBook | man, objective c is kinda weird |
| 05:11.06 | flexo | anyone in here knows x86 asm? |
| 05:11.11 | darth_iBook | why are they running Braveheart on Sci-Fi? |
| 05:11.11 | KeyserSoze | is there a reason for the bazillion commented-out lines in my auto-generated XFree86Config? I feel like removing them? |
| 05:11.22 | KeyserSoze | flexo: a bit, but haven't used it in a few years |
| 05:11.38 | KeyserSoze | darth_iBook: what, you thought Braveheart took place on earth? |
| 05:11.54 | KeyserSoze | :p |
| 05:11.55 | darth_iBook | KeyserSoze: lol |
| 05:11.59 | flexo | KeyserSoze: do you know (and understand ;) this mod r/m / sib / reg field stuff? |
| 05:12.08 | darth_iBook | actually, William Wallace is a distant relative of mine |
| 05:12.15 | flexo | i don't understand the manual ^^ |
| 05:12.29 | KeyserSoze | flexo: if we were in real life, you could take the blank look of complete lack of recognition as a "no" |
| 05:12.43 | flexo | well, we are not, so? ;) |
| 05:13.01 | KeyserSoze | is that stuff added after pentium1? |
| 05:13.28 | flexo | nah, its the stuff how the opcodes and their meaning are encoded |
| 05:13.32 | flexo | since 8086 ;) |
| 05:13.49 | KeyserSoze | lol |
| 05:14.07 | KeyserSoze | what's "sib"? |
| 05:14.28 | flexo | ok, its 386 related i con't care about sib |
| 05:14.35 | flexo | but about mod r/m and reg field |
| 05:15.08 | flexo | 2 bits mod field + 3 bits reg field + 3 bits r/m field behind the opcode |
| 05:15.26 | flexo | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.26 | flexo | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.29 | flexo | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.34 | flexo | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.38 | flexo | (sorry for the flood) |
| 05:15.38 | flexo | ^ i just don't understand that |
| 05:18.39 | KeyserSoze | opcode = an instruction translated into machine code? |
| 05:19.01 | flexo | yes... a part of the instruction ;) |
| 05:19.16 | flexo | e.g. |
| 05:19.19 | darth_iBook | PicoBot: seen gonkulator |
| 05:19.19 | PicoBot | gonkulator was last seen on #picogui 1 hours, 36 minutes and 17 seconds ago, saying: is away: sleepy time [Sat Nov 23 20:46:49 2002] |
| 05:19.23 | darth_iBook | damn |
| 05:19.26 | flexo | opcde: 04 is: ADD AL,imm8 |
| 05:19.35 | flexo | opcode 05 is: ADD AX,imm16 |
| 05:19.38 | flexo | ... |
| 05:20.10 | *** join/#picogui file (jwired@mctn1-2951.nb.aliant.net) |
| 05:20.11 | file | argh |
| 05:20.17 | flexo | 04 and 05 are easy coz they are just followed by the byte or words that gets added to AL or AX |
| 05:20.17 | file | There's soemthing in my eye and it's really irritating me |
| 05:20.29 | KeyserSoze | flexo: don't you have an assembler to translate assembly -> machine language for you? |
| 05:20.38 | flexo | sure |
| 05:21.03 | flexo | but i think trying to understand it from the manual is easier than guessing it from assembler's output ;) |
| 05:21.27 | flexo | (i'm trying to understand a x86 emulator) |
| 05:21.48 | dacut | Until you get to r/m bytes, extended opcodes, size prefixes, ... :-) |
| 05:22.20 | KeyserSoze | is this related to some activity with a goal? or for a class in school? |
| 05:22.33 | flexo | KeyserSoze: 1. maybe 2. no ;) |
| 05:22.55 | flexo | dacut: u know that stuff? |
| 05:23.29 | merlin262 | 0x66 baby!~ |
| 05:23.37 | KeyserSoze | flexo: are you reading a binary, and trying to see what it does, without access to the source code or assembly? |
| 05:24.01 | dacut | Heh... well, I *knew* it, and haven't completely forgotten it yet... |
| 05:24.26 | flexo | KeyserSoze: nah, just trying to understand an emulator |
| 05:24.45 | flexo | and the sourcecode is really not understandable without understanding it before ;) |
| 05:24.56 | flexo | optimized for speed i guess |
| 05:26.13 | KeyserSoze | did they remove comments to make it run faster? :p |
| 05:26.49 | flexo | probably ;) |
| 05:27.02 | flexo | after all, they are c++ coders *fg* |
| 05:28.04 | dacut | I've had C++ coders at work take my C code and convert my /* */ comments into // comments. |
| 05:28.16 | KeyserSoze | lol |
| 05:28.27 | dacut | Rendering it uncompilable on the C compiler I was using. <sigh> |
| 05:28.56 | KeyserSoze | / is annoying when you have multiline comments, and an editor that auto-wraps text. |
| 05:29.04 | KeyserSoze | s///// |
| 05:29.13 | KeyserSoze | s/"/"/"//" |
| 05:29.26 | KeyserSoze | that wasn't any better, was it? :D |
| 05:29.52 | dacut | Well, you know that sed lets you use anything in place of the / character, right? |
| 05:30.38 | KeyserSoze | yeah, but what fun is that? |
| 05:30.42 | dacut | <g> |
| 05:37.13 | flexo | aah... i understood it... that stupid ascii table in intel's manual was really misleading.. |
| 05:47.51 | *** join/#picogui KeyserSoze (~ksoze@12-245-83-56.client.attbi.com) |
| 05:55.51 | scanline | too.. cold.. to type |
| 05:56.25 | darth_iBook | hi scanline |
| 05:56.34 | scanline | hio |
| 05:56.36 | scanline | xfrg |
| 05:56.43 | scanline | warm... up.. fingr |
| 05:56.46 | darth_iBook | scanline: did you know that mark isn't coming home for break |
| 05:56.52 | scanline | :9 |
| 05:57.03 | scanline | :( |
| 05:57.04 | dacut | scanline: If I have some patches to send in, what's the preferred method? |
| 05:57.31 | scanline | dacut: email to pgui-devel, email to me, or use the SF patch tracker |
| 05:57.33 | captain_proton | avian carier |
| 05:57.36 | captain_proton | carrier* |
| 05:58.39 | scanline | that too |
| 05:58.57 | dacut | Ok, thanks. (I'm cleaning up a few things which are preventing a compile on FreeBSD) |
| 05:59.02 | scanline | cool |
| 05:59.14 | scanline | this is under X i assume? |
| 05:59.19 | dacut | Yep. |
| 05:59.40 | scanline | IIRC freebsd has a framebuffer but it's not really documented |
| 05:59.50 | dacut | Yep again. |
| 06:00.16 | dacut | nVidia just released some kind of driver for FreeBSD, but I'm not sure offhand what it's for. |
| 06:00.31 | scanline | ha |
| 06:00.46 | captain_proton | nvidia: making your bsd system feel like linux |
| 06:01.40 | dacut | Heh... well, I teethed on BSD, so... |
| 06:01.50 | dacut | For values of BSD = SunOS 4, though. |
| 06:01.50 | darth_iBook | brb |
| 06:01.58 | scanline | lucky... I had to learn how to program in DOS |
| 06:03.28 | dacut | Hm... I'm not sure where I learned to code. Certainly it was before my first encounters with Unix. |
| 06:03.57 | dacut | So probably some DOS, Commodore stuff, and maybe a bout or two with Apples. |
| 06:04.32 | dacut | But you start probing too far back and you encounter a bad (and I mean *bad*) mix of BASIC and machine language... |
| 06:05.00 | scanline | what sort of basic? |
| 06:05.23 | flexo | me or he? |
| 06:05.30 | scanline | dacut |
| 06:05.45 | dacut | Hm... C-64 BASIC mostly, with some Apple and even less TRS-80. |
| 06:05.58 | dacut | I'm not sure why, but my elementary school had TRS-80s. |
| 06:06.20 | scanline | captain_proton: "How soon can radar be operational? It's operating right now sir. Good. Prepare to fire main battery" |
| 06:06.46 | scanline | captain_proton: that sounded way too familiar in the movie... I think it might have been used as a sample in a song I have, but I can't remember what song |
| 06:13.48 | scanline | wow, fresco had a release! |
| 06:14.00 | captain_proton | *GASP* |
| 06:14.20 | scanline | http://www.fresco.org/screenshots.html <- hahahaha, fresco on the zaurus |
| 06:14.33 | scanline | http://www.fresco.org/data/screenshots/FonZ.jpg |
| 06:17.03 | dacut | Hm. Some curious font problems there... |
| 06:17.11 | scanline | uh huh |
| 06:18.22 | captain_proton | scanline: i just realized something picogui is lacking...and its mandatory |
| 06:18.28 | scanline | xeyes? |
| 06:18.39 | captain_proton | an implementation of conway's game of life |
| 06:19.05 | dacut | Could just be a bad font. Seems to be on first glance... all the e's are shifted. |
| 06:19.52 | scanline | captain_proton: ah |
| 06:20.06 | scanline | dacut: nah, it looks to me like it's using a constant escapement for all the characters. |
| 06:20.25 | dacut | And still reads better than the 7-segment LED "fonts" I had to use. :-) |
| 06:20.45 | scanline | oh wait, I was looking at a different screenshot |
| 06:21.00 | dacut | I'm looking at the FonZ.jpg one. |
| 06:21.18 | scanline | in the zaurus screenshot it looks like it's aligning the glyphs wrong... especially the "q" in "quit" |
| 06:21.36 | scanline | http://www.fresco.org/data/screenshots/background.png <-- this has better fonts, but the rotated text has some off-by-one errors |
| 06:25.04 | merlin262 | fresco is really, imo, vaperware |
| 06:25.28 | scanline | oh, it exists |
| 06:25.32 | scanline | and people are working on it |
| 06:25.37 | scanline | more people than picogui has, and for much longer |
| 06:25.41 | merlin262 | for how many years? 9? 10? |
| 06:25.47 | scanline | something like that, yes |
| 06:25.48 | dacut | Nah, if you want vapourware, go to Freedows. :-) |
| 06:25.48 | merlin262 | picogui works. |
| 06:25.55 | scanline | but it has gone through a few redesigns |
| 06:26.09 | merlin262 | blehhhhh |
| 06:26.15 | scanline | fresco has a much more... extensive.. architecture, so it takes them a lot more code to do less |
| 06:27.07 | merlin262 | hell, I prefer X |
| 06:27.49 | captain_proton | but merlin262...what about smooth window moving and drop shadows and the slow X network transparency? |
| 06:28.18 | merlin262 | Fresco is the GNU hurd of GUis |
| 06:28.23 | scanline | hehe |
| 06:28.40 | captain_proton | oooooOOOOoooo .... HURD.... |
| 06:28.43 | merlin262 | a design too beutiful for itself. |
| 06:28.56 | scanline | that actually applies really well... architecture that makes computer scientists get a warm fuzzy feeling, but it never becoms real |
| 06:29.44 | scanline | hmm.. |
| 06:29.57 | dacut | X scares me. |
| 06:30.01 | scanline | sticking XGGI in a window apparently is a really cheap way to get publicity |
| 06:30.04 | captain_proton | ...i'm scared |
| 06:30.07 | scanline | picogui could do that |
| 06:30.15 | captain_proton | the styrofoam container changed its shape in the microwave |
| 06:30.22 | scanline | hehe |
| 06:30.40 | dacut | I started writing an X protocol analyzer. They will save bits in one area, and then pad a structure out to 32 bytes in another. |
| 06:30.42 | dacut | Complete madness. |
| 06:32.05 | dacut | If Fresco is the Hurd of GUIs, then X is the killer bees of GUIs. A lab experiment gone wrong and escaped from the lab... |
| 06:32.49 | scanline | nah, X is a truck full of concrete that someone poured into a swamp |
| 06:33.09 | scanline | so instead of finding a decent place to build a GUI, people decided to build on this somewhat-concrete-lined swamp |
| 06:33.12 | scanline | :) |
| 06:33.19 | dacut | Heh. |
| 06:33.21 | darth_iBook | yay! daniel found the seventh symbol |
| 06:36.40 | captain_proton | scanline: when are those losers getting back? |
| 06:36.46 | scanline | I have no idea |
| 06:37.00 | scanline | when's Dan getting back? |
| 06:37.07 | captain_proton | midday tues. |
| 06:37.18 | scanline | oh, didn't know he'd left already |
| 06:37.44 | captain_proton | he's spending the night at home because he has to leave so early |
| 06:37.48 | scanline | ok |
| 06:38.37 | captain_proton | hmm, loud debussy :) |
| 06:42.23 | flexo | hm |
| 06:42.37 | flexo | are you aware of the fact that the terminal widget is unusable? ;) |
| 06:42.42 | scanline | what? |
| 06:42.47 | flexo | sometimes it gets white |
| 06:42.52 | flexo | then it gets black with white borders |
| 06:42.56 | scanline | ? |
| 06:43.03 | scanline | define "sometimes" |
| 06:43.07 | scanline | and define "unusable" |
| 06:43.09 | flexo | well |
| 06:43.11 | flexo | its usable |
| 06:43.12 | flexo | but |
| 06:43.13 | flexo | hm |
| 06:43.16 | flexo | well |
| 06:43.16 | dacut | I see that after opening another window. |
| 06:43.22 | flexo | dacut: exactly |
| 06:43.33 | dacut | Blindly typing "clear" into the terminal fixes it. |
| 06:43.40 | scanline | ok, then that's a known bug. but it shouldn't be making the terminal unusable |
| 06:43.41 | flexo | everything has everywhere sometimes visual glitches ;) |
| 06:43.59 | flexo | e.g. the open button in the title bar in imgview |
| 06:44.06 | darth_iBook | scanline: it's not a bug, it's a feature ;) |
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| 06:44.08 | flexo | its too height |
| 06:44.17 | scanline | flexo: that's the theme's problem |
| 06:44.17 | flexo | about 3 pixels maybe |
| 06:44.25 | flexo | oh ok |
| 06:45.35 | flexo | then, when i e.g. start the calculator and move the mouse cursor *fast* some rects are wrong ;) |
| 06:45.48 | scanline | known bug in the sprite code |
| 06:46.02 | flexo | and the galaxy pixels destroy my cursor |
| 06:46.52 | scanline | You know, we do have a bug tracker... |
| 06:47.06 | captain_proton | scanline: bug trackers are for losers |
| 06:47.18 | flexo | -> if i would have looked at it i would have seen that all those bugs are already reported? |
| 06:47.30 | scanline | probably |
| 06:47.48 | flexo | that isn't the point, there are bugs and 3d widgets won't fix them ;) |
| 06:48.04 | scanline | flexo: I'm having fun damnit! |
| 06:48.12 | flexo | ok, ok, im sorry ^^ |
| 06:48.23 | scanline | After fixing bugs all week, I need some OpenGL-induced relaxation1 |
| 06:48.26 | scanline | s/1/!/ |
| 06:48.37 | flexo | strange way of relax... but ok ;) |
| 06:48.39 | scanline | I don't see you fixing any bugs |
| 06:48.40 | flexo | *to |
| 06:48.49 | flexo | i suck too much |
| 06:48.51 | flexo | ask jasta |
| 06:48.58 | flexo | i've no competence ;) |
| 06:49.05 | captain_proton | opengl is the best way to relax |
| 06:49.18 | scanline | So please, you can report bugs, even complain about them, but don't get mad at me for doing something other than fixing them right away |
| 06:49.34 | flexo | i don't get mad at you... i just noticed... bah forget it ;) |
| 06:50.10 | scanline | mmkay |
| 06:50.20 | dacut | Heh... the best software is the software you get to write, but don't have to support. :-) |
| 06:50.25 | flexo | afterall i just want something replace xfree on my desktop ;) |
| 06:50.49 | flexo | that and pizza (brb) |
| 06:50.50 | scanline | I do quite a lot of support for picogui.. I just don't want to be supporting it 24/7 every day |
| 06:50.52 | captain_proton | dacut: the best method is to have an iq test built in - call it the "setup wizard" |
| 06:51.25 | dacut | Heh. |
| 06:52.12 | dacut | I don't think I've seen any software work in the real world that wasn't supported by the original developers. |
| 06:52.22 | flexo | does picogui support non-rect widgets yet? |
| 06:52.42 | scanline | depends on what you mean by a non-rect widget |
| 06:52.58 | captain_proton | dacut: real world? i've released software into the real world that i won't support :) |
| 06:53.02 | flexo | circles, stars, round edges... ;) |
| 06:53.20 | dacut | Ah, but is it used? |
| 06:53.46 | dacut | "original" is too strong... it definitely has to be supported by developers. |
| 06:53.56 | scanline | flexo: widgets will always have a bounding rectangle... right now it's possible to draw nonrectangular shapes into them under some circumstances. After the s2 engine it will be possible to draw nonrectangular shapes into widgets and have them always work |
| 06:54.03 | dacut | I've seen the mentality of "throwing it over the wall" to QA. That never works. |
| 06:54.09 | captain_proton | dacut: its been downloaded 81 times :) |
| 06:54.27 | flexo | ic |
| 06:55.06 | darth_iBook | night all |
| 06:55.09 | darth_iBook | it's sleepy time |
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| 07:15.52 | captain_proton | scanline: they're all still gone? |
| 07:16.53 | scanline | captain_proton: jen popped in looking for michael, haven't seen anything else... |
| 07:17.04 | scanline | I just replaced the spinning cube with a NeHe demo =) |
| 07:17.15 | captain_proton | cvs commit! |
| 07:17.29 | scanline | first I want to figure out why my 3D buttons turned purple |
| 07:17.41 | captain_proton | beh, commit anyway |
| 07:17.49 | scanline | ok |
| 07:18.14 | scanline | committed |
| 07:18.21 | captain_proton | hmm so jen is here |
| 07:18.24 | captain_proton | thats one |
| 07:18.32 | scanline | though she usually isn't interested in bad scifi... |
| 07:19.25 | scanline | This nehe code is C++, but only because they use new and free operators :( |
| 07:19.37 | captain_proton | gaga |
| 07:19.38 | captain_proton | err |
| 07:19.39 | captain_proton | haha |
| 07:25.14 | scanline | oh, or start a backup then watch the movie |
| 08:49.15 | captain_proton | another quality movie |
| 08:50.16 | scanline | egad this system was slow for a minute there... |
| 08:50.33 | scanline | all the backuping caused most of my X stuff to swap out in favor of buffering space |
| 08:51.16 | captain_proton | my system is doing the same, offloading some vobs i haven't gotten around to to navi to free up some space |
| 08:52.48 | captain_proton | scanline: whats the url for the nehe thingy you used? |
| 08:53.55 | scanline | don't have a web browser open at the moment... IIRC it's under nehe.gamedev.net |
| 08:55.43 | captain_proton | there's a lot under nehe.gamedev.net :) |
| 08:56.30 | scanline | Well, I got it from ~/gl/lesson37 |
| 08:56.35 | scanline | but that doesn't help you much |
| 08:56.44 | captain_proton | yes it dose |
| 08:56.45 | captain_proton | does* |
| 08:56.49 | captain_proton | tutorial #37 |
| 08:57.02 | scanline | oh.. thought you already noticed that |
| 08:57.11 | scanline | the file in picogui CVS is still named lesson37.cpp :) |
| 09:02.04 | scanline | hmm.. that's bizarre |
| 09:02.27 | scanline | somehow I've made the helix in the NeHe demo white and my buttons purple, when it should be the other way around |
| 09:02.53 | captain_proton | :) |
| 09:05.18 | captain_proton | the bresenham algorithm will solve all your problems |
| 09:05.42 | scanline | oh |
| 09:05.55 | scanline | cool, I just added a bresenham line drawing routine to GL.color() and it fixed all my problems |
| 09:06.14 | captain_proton | scanline: say, you don't happen to have 3 cups of milk, do you? |
| 09:06.44 | scanline | nope.. I think we just have orange/strawberry/banana juice, orange juice, and pickle juice |
| 09:09.30 | captain_proton | whee, my system is being so very fast |
| 09:12.50 | captain_proton | hmm scanline for an easter egg we could write a cel-shading filter |
| 09:12.56 | scanline | ooh |
| 09:21.22 | captain_proton | ooooOOOOOOOO |
| 09:21.25 | captain_proton | NV_point_sprite is cool |
| 09:23.02 | *** join/#picogui scan[ibook] (~micah@aden2-241-dhcp.Colorado.EDU) |
| 09:24.16 | captain_proton | and yoshi bites the dust |
| 09:24.23 | scan[ibook] | during a backup :-/ |
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| 09:27.43 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 09:27.48 | captain_proton | what was the name of the first movie of the night again? |
| 09:28.02 | scanline | The Forbidden Planet |
| 09:29.41 | captain_proton | ah yes |
| 09:57.30 | captain_proton | scanline: are you still using that "learning python" book i saw or have you graduated to whatever the next one is? :) |
| 09:59.16 | scanline | ah.. I haven't read it all yet, but you can borrow it if you want |
| 10:02.26 | captain_proton | well yeah, but you can do all but ps1.3 on your existing card - point_sprite is only available on the 4 :( |
| 10:03.19 | scanline | Is the shader fun available in linux yet? |
| 10:03.36 | captain_proton | ohh yes |
| 10:03.44 | scanline | hmm |
| 10:03.50 | scanline | will have to play with that then |
| 10:04.09 | captain_proton | the only thing about it is that to do opengl pixel shaders in Cg you have to generate a dx pixel shader and convert because of how pixel shaders work in opengl |
| 10:04.21 | scanline | feh |
| 10:04.31 | captain_proton | but you can write your own in nv-asm :) |
| 10:05.25 | captain_proton | <evil grin> |
| 10:06.14 | captain_proton | when it comes to opengl hacks, its hard to disgust me ;) |
| 10:06.21 | scanline | hehe |
| 10:06.26 | scanline | well then.. |
| 10:07.37 | scanline | I still don't know where we're going to get a model for the ship |
| 10:07.43 | scanline | are you any good with blender? :) |
| 10:07.49 | captain_proton | not really |
| 10:08.03 | captain_proton | i'll get patlabor to throw something together, he's a decent modeller |
| 10:08.09 | scanline | I've been meaning to get around to learning it.. still haven't done it |
| 10:08.10 | scanline | ah, ok |
| 10:08.22 | captain_proton | hmmmmm |
| 10:08.26 | captain_proton | tuesday deadline.... |
| 10:08.36 | scanline | indeed |
| 10:08.57 | scanline | so the big pieces still are the C/python integration, and getting artistical stuff like models and a GUI theme |
| 10:09.19 | captain_proton | augh, the semicolons are missing, the semicolons are missing! |
| 10:09.23 | scanline | BTW, if you want to look at this other python book I have, it has a chapter on python/C integration |
| 10:14.10 | scanline | as soon as I sort out some of these OpenGL bugs and reorganize the driver so it can use an existing context, I can see about writing a theme |
| 10:14.43 | scanline | captain_proton: emacs has a nice python-mode :) |
| 10:16.46 | scanline | captain_proton: is there a way to push the entire opengl state, including things like lighting parameters? |
| 10:17.00 | captain_proton | scanline: not unless its wrapped |
| 10:17.22 | scanline | k |
| 10:19.30 | scan[ibook] | grr... definitely gentoo time as soon as I fix this bug |
| 10:19.45 | scan[ibook] | assuming my backup ever makes it to completion |
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| 10:22.53 | scan[ibook] | wow, now that's the fastest I've seen it crash after bootup... |
| 10:23.25 | scan[ibook] | captain_proton: do you have that gentoo CD dan mentioned I could borrow? |
| 10:30.00 | captain_proton | scan[ibook]: lemme take a look for it |
| 10:30.35 | scan[ibook] | thanks |
| 10:32.09 | captain_proton | scan[ibook]: found it |
| 10:33.09 | scan[ibook] | wow, I just noticed the snow |
| 10:33.16 | captain_proton | snow? |
| 10:33.22 | captain_proton | ooh look, snow |
| 10:33.24 | scan[ibook] | :) |
| 10:39.19 | scan[ibook] | heh.. something in the gentoo boot process caused a kernel oops.. but it's |
| 10:39.22 | scan[ibook] | continuing! |
| 10:39.35 | captain_proton | i always get that oops, dan always gets it... |
| 10:39.56 | scan[ibook] | hehe |
| 10:46.56 | captain_proton | eek |
| 10:46.59 | captain_proton | 9999999L |
| 10:47.23 | captain_proton | the interpreter should automatically select/cast between types |
| 10:48.31 | scan[ibook] | hmm? |
| 10:49.13 | scan[ibook] | then I'll have ext3, XFS, and ReiserFS systems :) |
| 10:50.54 | captain_proton | what do you use XFS on? |
| 10:51.03 | captain_proton | ooh! use LVM + XFS :) |
| 10:51.11 | scan[ibook] | I have XFS on this laptop |
| 10:51.14 | scan[ibook] | ext3 on navi |
| 10:51.25 | captain_proton | or EVMS + anything |
| 10:51.28 | scan[ibook] | haha |
| 10:51.52 | scan[ibook] | pretty soon gonkulator will be buying 40GB 2.5" drives for our laptops |
| 10:52.12 | captain_proton | so? you can still use a volume manager |
| 10:52.19 | captain_proton | then if you add a disk you can expand onto it |
| 10:52.26 | captain_proton | or you can mess with the sizes of volumes |
| 10:53.06 | scan[ibook] | I've used LVM before |
| 10:53.19 | scan[ibook] | it was cool, but I didn't need to use it's features much |
| 10:54.56 | scan[ibook] | hmm.. no mkfs.reiserfs? |
| 10:55.28 | captain_proton | ? |
| 10:56.08 | scan[ibook] | it has xfs, ext2, minix, and cramfs.. no reiser |
| 10:56.22 | captain_proton | perhaps just mkreiserfs? |
| 10:58.06 | scan[ibook] | not sure why I completely missed the mention of mkreiserfs in the install guide either.. hmm |
| 11:14.44 | scan[ibook] | there, bootstrap begin! |
| 11:17.12 | captain_proton | thats ethernet over 802.11 |
| 11:18.17 | scan[ibook] | ethernet over 802.11 over ethernet over ethernet over PCI over IDE |
| 11:18.34 | captain_proton | over IRC |
| 11:21.27 | scan[ibook] | DiskBot: DCC me sector 62926 |
| 11:21.39 | scan[ibook] | (assuming LBA mode) |
| 11:22.05 | scan[ibook] | then you could have a FilesystemBot that you could ask for files, and it would ask the DiskBot for sectors |
| 11:22.50 | scan[ibook] | you could have loads of fun creating an IRC-based distributed microkernel operating system |
| 11:22.56 | scan[ibook] | and nobody in their right mind would use it |
| 11:24.01 | captain_proton | LBA is for wimps |
| 11:24.07 | captain_proton | everything should be in h:s:b |
| 11:25.24 | scan[ibook] | I remember Amiga programmers flaunting their linear addressing back when DOS was popular.. |
| 11:25.50 | captain_proton | at least its only 16 bits |
| 11:26.38 | captain_proton | good things about missing roommates: |
| 11:26.44 | captain_proton | (1) music |
| 11:26.46 | captain_proton | (2) lights |
| 11:26.52 | captain_proton | (c) 4:30 am |
| 11:29.17 | captain_proton | make a pg theme for use in jetstream :) |
| 11:29.44 | scan[ibook] | why do you think I opened gimp? :) |
| 11:30.14 | scan[ibook] | still really don't know what it should look like though... |
| 11:30.44 | scan[ibook] | and there is a lot of neat stuff that can be done via opengl inside themes that I haven't really characterized yet |
| 11:31.10 | hikke | hi all |
| 11:31.14 | scan[ibook] | hi hikke |
| 11:32.00 | hikke | Anyone complied freetype2 font engine in picogui on debian? |
| 11:32.17 | hikke | picogui with ft2 |
| 11:32.22 | scan[ibook] | captain_proton: I'm still not sure what the overall look of jetstream should be.... slabs of rock with little doodads carved in them, intersecting at 90 degree angles? |
| 11:32.30 | scan[ibook] | hikke: yeah, I developed it in debian |
| 11:32.53 | hikke | scan[ibook]: Do you remember what .deb packages you needed for freetype2? |
| 11:33.14 | scan[ibook] | I had to compile it myself, the debian packages weren't new enough |
| 11:33.25 | scan[ibook] | the menuconfig tells you what version it requires, 2.1.3 IIRC |
| 11:33.59 | hikke | Ah, then I should disable it, too much trouble :P |
| 11:34.06 | scan[ibook] | bah |
| 11:35.26 | captain_proton | scan[ibook]: i don't really have a design in my head, you're a pretty good judge of prettiness, have fun :) |
| 11:35.39 | scan[ibook] | hehe, alrighty then |
| 11:36.04 | scan[ibook] | any idea what sort of UI we'll need to present in the HUD? |
| 11:36.10 | scan[ibook] | s/UI/information/ |
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| 11:37.01 | captain_proton | nope :) |
| 11:37.05 | captain_proton | we don't need a HUD for now |
| 11:37.29 | scan[ibook] | radar? weapons? communications? a slide-out menu? |
| 11:38.04 | captain_proton | well weapons for sure, i'm not sure radar is applicable |
| 11:44.09 | scan[ibook] | hmm.. |
| 11:44.14 | scan[ibook] | captain_proton: have you seen the final fantasy movie? |
| 11:45.17 | scan[ibook] | the computer displays generally had simple shapes, dark translucent blue, with bright glowing borders |
| 11:46.01 | captain_proton | scan[ibook]: yeah, i remember it was a bad movie |
| 11:46.13 | scan[ibook] | yeah, but cool special effects |
| 11:47.51 | captain_proton | :) |
| 11:48.29 | captain_proton | well its racing towards 5am, and the scene graph api is mostly fleshed out, so i'm going to sleep |
| 11:48.32 | captain_proton | 'night |
| 11:48.37 | scan[ibook] | ok. good night |
| 12:07.37 | hikke | hooray, I think that I got picogui complied :) |
| 12:07.44 | scan[ibook] | yay |
| 12:08.14 | hikke | Then I need apps & config file....and install mozilla so I can read wiki better :) |
| 12:09.09 | hikke | If i type pgserver to console, I should get an empty white box? Then it's working without apps & themes |
| 12:09.15 | hikke | Am I right? |
| 12:25.20 | scan[ibook] | yep |
| 12:25.56 | hikke | Hmm |
| 12:26.23 | hikke | Is there any application launcher for picogui? |
| 12:26.42 | scan[ibook] | there's pgl-launcher, but it's not really working at the moment |
| 12:27.09 | hikke | Hmmph, so i must use pgserver -s app ? |
| 12:27.19 | hikke | or -s /absolute/path/app ? |
| 12:27.22 | scan[ibook] | or just run the app from a command line |
| 12:27.33 | hikke | Aah. |
| 12:30.10 | hikke | does ./autogen.sh && .configure && make in the apps-dir complie all applications? :) |
| 12:30.23 | scan[ibook] | almost all of them |
| 12:35.42 | hikke | Hmm, If i complie a theme with themec, then how should I load it to pgserver? |
| 12:36.17 | scan[ibook] | usually with -t foo.th |
| 12:39.26 | hikke | ok. |
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| 12:42.27 | carpman | AoFBot: file |
| 12:42.28 | AoFBot | file is lame |
| 12:42.42 | carpman | hehe, I know its simple, but it's just so cool |
| 12:42.56 | carpman | PicoBot: seen gonkulator{work} |
| 12:42.57 | PicoBot | gonkulator{work} was last seen on #picogui 2 days, 12 hours, 59 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: is away: going home [Thu Nov 21 16:46:57 2002] |
| 12:43.02 | carpman | PicoBot: seen gonkulator |
| 12:43.02 | PicoBot | gonkulator was last seen on #picogui 9 hours, 3 seconds ago, saying: is away: sleepy time [Sat Nov 23 20:46:49 2002] |
| 12:43.38 | carpman | PicoBot: seen glitch |
| 12:43.38 | PicoBot | glitch was last seen on #picogui 126 days, 11 hours, 18 minutes and 26 seconds ago, saying: Well, people, I'm off to make a UT level that will rox your s0x. And AWAY WE GOOOOOOooooo!!!! [Sat Jul 20 19:29:02 2002] |
| 12:46.37 | hikke | Hehe, screen & irssi is quite br0ken in pterm ;) |
| 13:04.14 | carpman | hikke: yeah, so is emacs :) |
| 13:04.54 | scan[ibook] | hi carpman |
| 13:05.55 | carpman | hi scan[ibook] |
| 13:06.10 | carpman | ahh, installing gentoo? >:) |
| 13:06.16 | scan[ibook] | yep, on yoshi |
| 13:06.21 | carpman | w00t |
| 13:07.46 | carpman | scan[ibook]: I saw a dual headed G4 at the apple store today. 1 24" and 1 15" |
| 13:07.53 | carpman | I nearly peed my pants. |
| 13:07.58 | scan[ibook] | haha |
| 13:09.03 | carpman | AoFBot: Jetstream? |
| 13:09.03 | AoFBot | I don't know about thatcarpman. |
| 13:09.46 | scan[ibook] | it's the game captain_proton and I are working on, we hope to have a demo to present at the gamedev meeting here on Tuesday to entice minions to join the project |
| 13:09.58 | carpman | ahh |
| 13:10.10 | scan[ibook] | we're using picogui for the in-game UI :) |
| 13:10.39 | carpman | I got sucked in to helping with a game here. The engine has never been run on linux before. Its opengl, so if I change a few function calls it should work. |
| 13:10.54 | carpman | I don't like it tho, because they don't seem to like open source. |
| 13:11.02 | scan[ibook] | ah |
| 13:11.17 | scan[ibook] | well, this one is open source from the beginning, and portable |
| 13:11.26 | carpman | scan[ibook]: :P |
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| 13:54.38 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen scan[ibook] |
| 13:54.40 | PicoBot | scan[ibook] was last seen on #picogui 43 minutes and 22 seconds ago, saying: well, this one is open source from the beginning, and portable [Sun Nov 24 06:15:07 2002] |
| 13:55.04 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen captain_proton |
| 13:55.05 | PicoBot | captain_proton was last seen on #picogui 2 hours, 6 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: 'night [Sun Nov 24 04:52:22 2002] |
| 13:55.12 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen fragglet |
| 13:55.12 | PicoBot | fragglet was last seen on #picogui 10 hours, 3 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying: no and no [Sat Nov 23 20:55:09 2002] |
| 13:55.20 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen darth_iBook |
| 13:55.20 | PicoBot | darth_iBook was last seen on #picogui 7 hours, 12 seconds ago, saying: it's sleepy time [Sat Nov 23 23:58:58 2002] |
| 13:55.47 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen carpman |
| 13:55.48 | PicoBot | carpman was last seen on #picogui 43 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: grumbles and detonates MSVC++ [Sun Nov 24 06:15:42 2002] |
| 13:56.05 | gonkulator | carpman: why are you using MSVC++? |
| 14:02.42 | scan[ibook] | seen flood! seen flood! |
| 14:03.27 | gonkulator | ? |
| 14:03.35 | scan[ibook] | ;) |
| 14:03.37 | gonkulator | scan[ibook]: I am confused |
| 14:03.59 | scan[ibook] | what is there to be confused about? |
| 14:04.06 | gonkulator | seen flood! |
| 14:04.15 | scan[ibook] | what is there to be confused about? |
| 14:04.58 | gonkulator | ok |
| 14:06.07 | carpman | gonkulator: I'm not. Other people are and its causing me problems. |
| 14:06.33 | scan[ibook] | 2.4.19-gentoo-r9 |
| 14:06.42 | carpman | gonkulator: They wouldn't give me 10.2. I'm debating weather or not I care. |
| 14:06.47 | carpman | scan[ibook]: no XFS? |
| 14:07.08 | gonkulator | carpman: want me to send you the ISOx |
| 14:07.13 | gonkulator | erm.. ISOs |
| 14:07.14 | scan[ibook] | nah, decided to go with reiser on yoshi |
| 14:07.40 | carpman | gonkulator: Nah. Waste of bandwidth. I won't use it even if I have it. |
| 14:08.03 | carpman | AoFBot: XFS is teh bomb. |
| 14:08.04 | AoFBot | Ok, carpman. |
| 14:08.16 | gonkulator | carpman: you sure? I am running 10.2 on my iBook right now, and it is pretty nice |
| 14:08.33 | scan[ibook] | you could have iTalk! |
| 14:08.39 | gonkulator | bah |
| 14:08.43 | gonkulator | I ditched iChat |
| 14:08.46 | carpman | I'm sure. |
| 14:08.57 | gonkulator | it has some nice features, but adium has a better UI |
| 14:09.14 | scan[ibook] | what??? you mean apple doesn't have the best UI in the world?????? |
| 14:09.48 | gonkulator | no, just the best price for portable hardware that gets good battery life (and that is just for now) :) |
| 14:10.14 | gonkulator | scan[ibook]: I got six and a half hours of battery life running this thing in OS 9 |
| 14:10.27 | scan[ibook] | ha |
| 14:10.39 | scan[ibook] | so you got a new ibook? |
| 14:10.45 | gonkulator | yeah |
| 14:10.56 | gonkulator | the 12" combo drive model |
| 14:10.57 | scan[ibook] | this is the one that's the same size, but faster? |
| 14:10.59 | carpman | gonkulator: glitch wants to buy your old one :) |
| 14:11.00 | scan[ibook] | ah, ok |
| 14:11.17 | gonkulator | carpman: I already promised it to my mom |
| 14:11.19 | scan[ibook] | The only thing I'm not happy with in my ibook is the 3D accelerator |
| 14:11.33 | gonkulator | scan[ibook]: what about the size of the hard disk? |
| 14:11.35 | carpman | gonkulator: hehe, ok. I'll let him know |
| 14:11.42 | scan[ibook] | I get 5FPS running libpgtest, where I get over 60FPS on my GeForce3 |
| 14:11.52 | scan[ibook] | gonkulator: minor problem |
| 14:12.19 | gonkulator | scan[ibook]: as soon as I get gentoo onto my new iBook, we will see how it's ATI RADEON 7500 does |
| 14:12.28 | scan[ibook] | and 500FPS for just the GUI without the blurred helix in the background :) |
| 14:12.35 | gonkulator | scan[ibook]: the new drives should come in on monday |
| 14:12.46 | scan[ibook] | neat |
| 14:12.56 | gonkulator | carpman: what was that for? |
| 14:13.00 | gonkulator | carpman: that hurt! |
| 14:13.01 | carpman | I always get shafted for being an early adopter :) |
| 14:13.14 | carpman | gonkulator: for the ATI RADEON 7500 comment. |
| 14:13.39 | gonkulator | oh ok :) |
| 14:13.46 | gonkulator | thats one of 2 reasons I got it |
| 14:14.09 | carpman | If I buy anything else from apple, its going to be a dual g4 tower and flatscreen |
| 14:14.13 | gonkulator | I can't say I did it for the burner (although that is _really_ nice) |
| 14:14.28 | gonkulator | I did it for the speed |
| 14:15.00 | carpman | do the g4s have 64bit PCI? |
| 14:15.19 | gonkulator | carpman: you better believe it |
| 14:15.36 | gonkulator | they have no 32 bit slots |
| 14:15.37 | carpman | G4 + my 29160 = >:) |
| 14:15.40 | gonkulator | all of them are 64 bit |
| 14:18.05 | scan[ibook] | gonkulator: I was playing with some opengl texture feedback techniques, and came up with some stuff that would kick iTunes' ass |
| 14:18.34 | gonkulator | scan[ibook]: nifty |
| 14:19.34 | scan[ibook] | if you take the entire frontbuffer, split into manageable chunks, and blit them onto a plane rotated a little in all three axes, you can create lots of interesting patterns, including swirling differential equation patterns |
| 14:19.54 | gonkulator | oooh |
| 14:19.58 | scan[ibook] | http://picogui.org/download/opengl_differential_equations.png |
| 14:20.31 | scan[ibook] | and that was flowing smoothly, running at almost 200FPS |
| 14:21.02 | scan[ibook] | you could get more complex effects by using different transformations for each tile |
| 14:21.20 | scan[ibook] | add some particle systems and other shapes to react to the music, and you'd have a mighty cool effect |
| 14:21.23 | gonkulator | scan[ibook]: http://track.airborne.com/atrknav.asp?ShipmentNumber=46580504666 <-- our hard disks |
| 14:21.45 | gonkulator | oooh that is pretty |
| 14:22.51 | scan[ibook] | I was also experimenting with doing real-time blurring in GPUs that support hardware mipmap generation |
| 14:23.05 | gonkulator | nice |
| 14:23.24 | gonkulator | actually... no point yet |
| 14:25.44 | scan[ibook] | Are you pondering what I'm pondering? |
| 14:26.05 | gonkulator | I think so |
| 14:26.23 | gonkulator | what are you pondering |
| 14:26.29 | scan[ibook] | but where are we going to get a texture map that big? |
| 14:26.33 | gonkulator | maybe it is the same as what I am pondering |
| 14:26.42 | gonkulator | we could create one |
| 14:27.02 | scan[ibook] | nah, it wouldn't fit through the door |
| 14:27.54 | gonkulator | bah |
| 14:29.10 | scan[ibook] | PicoBot: jetstream is a game captain_proton and scanline are working on, with Python scripting and PicoGUI HUD and menu system |
| 14:29.11 | PicoBot | OK, scan[ibook]. |
| 14:29.37 | scan[ibook] | ok |
| 14:31.26 | scan[ibook] | Where does gentoo keep the list of networks to bring up at boot time? |
| 14:31.32 | scan[ibook] | err, interfaces |
| 14:31.44 | carpman | AoFBot: Are you pondering what I'm pondering? |
| 14:31.45 | AoFBot | I think so, but where are we going to find rubber pants our size? |
| 14:32.07 | carpman | scan[ibook]: /etc/conf.d/net |
| 14:32.14 | scan[ibook] | thanks |
| 14:32.22 | carpman | you add interfaces to be brought up with |
| 14:32.30 | carpman | rc-update add net.ethX default |
| 14:32.51 | gonkulator | not really, but you get the idea |
| 14:32.54 | carpman | I'm basing alot of syscon on rc-update |
| 14:33.13 | gonkulator | scan[ibook]: what sort of a game is jetstream? |
| 14:33.14 | scan[ibook] | oh drat, I forgot to compile a module for my gigabit card |
| 14:33.29 | scan[ibook] | gonkulator: starfox-like |
| 14:33.31 | carpman | MMOFPRPG |
| 14:33.50 | gonkulator | scan[ibook]: oh, ok |
| 14:34.37 | scan[ibook] | you want to help with the project? |
| 14:34.47 | scan[ibook] | the AIs will be written in python |
| 14:34.58 | gonkulator | you mean it won't be network transparent? |
| 14:35.18 | gonkulator | :p |
| 14:35.19 | scan[ibook] | C++ for the 3D engine and main program, C for libpgserver, python for the game logic and UI scripting |
| 14:35.53 | scan[ibook] | the C++ and python code will be running in separate threads, with python objects written in C++ used to control the 3D engine |
| 14:36.08 | scan[ibook] | the UI will use cli_python |
| 14:36.28 | gonkulator | hmm... |
| 14:36.35 | scan[ibook] | and WTs |
| 14:37.02 | scan[ibook] | python's easy enough you could learn a good bit of it by browsing existing code |
| 14:37.23 | scan[ibook] | though a book isn't a bad idea |
| 14:38.25 | scan[ibook] | captain_proton and I plan to have a demo of jetstream running by tuesday to show at the gamedev meeting |
| 14:39.01 | scan[ibook] | I'm trying to design a look for the UI |
| 14:39.05 | gonkulator | oh cool |
| 14:39.52 | scan[ibook] | this demo won't have any actual gameplay, and a very minimal 3D engine.. but that should be enough to impress some people into wanting to help |
| 14:40.31 | gonkulator | will it be like starfox 64 where you can go up and down, or the SNES version where you can shoot up and down, but don't actually go up and down? |
| 14:40.46 | gonkulator | very much |
| 14:41.00 | scan[ibook] | I would assume you'd have full movement of the ship... |
| 14:41.14 | gonkulator | ERROR: YOU NEED TO KEEP YOUR SHIPS |
| 14:41.23 | scan[ibook] | I haven't talked to captain_proton much about his ideas for gameplay yet, been mostly thinking about the inner workings |
| 14:41.35 | gonkulator | yeah |
| 14:42.06 | gonkulator | and knowing you and your design stratagies, I can guess at the freedom gameplay will have |
| 14:43.05 | scan[ibook] | well, as far as the engine's concerned gameplay is just a loadable python module |
| 14:43.20 | gonkulator | ok |
| 14:43.46 | scan[ibook] | the engine will manage a scene graph of objects that are implemented as python classes, plus an environment engine that can be changed to suit the level's environment (water, space, terrain) |
| 14:44.21 | scan[ibook] | the object rendering and environment engine (basically anything that does OpenGL calls) will be 100% C++ and C |
| 14:44.28 | scan[ibook] | hehehe |
| 14:44.35 | scan[ibook] | you could run xchat in the game >:) |
| 14:44.44 | scan[ibook] | it will have a pgserver after all |
| 14:44.49 | carpman | you have to battle one of file's statements for a level boss :) |
| 14:45.09 | gonkulator | you guys are doing the hard part and I get to do the fun part >:) |
| 14:45.21 | scan[ibook] | heh, that's entirely subjective |
| 14:47.37 | scan[ibook] | I don't think there are plans to make it multiplayer |
| 14:47.40 | gonkulator | s/an/a |
| 14:47.42 | scan[ibook] | but I might be wrong |
| 14:48.08 | scan[ibook] | captain_proton wants to experiment with plot, and making the player emotionally involved in the game |
| 14:48.09 | gonkulator | :) |
| 14:48.26 | scan[ibook] | well, technically multiplayer shouldn't be any harder than it would be in most games |
| 14:48.32 | gonkulator | yeah |
| 14:49.19 | carpman | You are ijnihs iraki, your father hates you, but is going to make you fly a ship you have never seen before. |
| 14:49.31 | carpman | Nope, not ripping this plot off from anyone. Totaly original |
| 14:49.50 | gonkulator | launch all tears, for great crying |
| 14:51.06 | gonkulator | this is gonna kill me doing my homework... |
| 14:51.30 | scan[ibook] | what's bad about that? |
| 14:52.06 | carpman | lol @ todays sluggy |
| 14:54.19 | gonkulator | scan[ibook]: I never said it was bad |
| 14:55.26 | scan[ibook] | grr.. forget whether hdc or hdd is my burner |
| 14:55.44 | scan[ibook] | oh.. I think it was hdb |
| 14:57.09 | gonkulator | yay!!! |
| 14:59.28 | scan[ibook] | thank goodness for grub |
| 14:59.40 | scan[ibook] | had the boot partition number set wrong, but I could edit it |
| 14:59.49 | carpman | grub is cool |
| 15:00.02 | scan[ibook] | feh.. but my keyboard doesn't work |
| 15:00.20 | carpman | I think I'm probably going to have sasami until it falls apart. |
| 15:01.23 | carpman | well, bbl |
| 15:01.30 | gonkulator | later carpman |
| 15:13.21 | scan[ibook] | hmm.. with picogui's layout engine it should be easy to allow the user to configure the HUD if they want |
| 15:14.01 | scan[ibook] | heck, we could just have a bunch of XWTs the user can choose from, and if they really want to customize it further they can just write their own XWT |
| 15:14.20 | scan[ibook] | nice big snowflakes here |
| 15:17.22 | gonkulator | lucky |
| 15:17.29 | gonkulator | our snow flakes are all really small |
| 15:21.04 | gonkulator | now ours are getting bigger :) |
| 15:28.18 | scan[ibook] | bleh.. gentoo still thinks my keyboard is nonexistant |
| 15:34.54 | gonkulator | scan[ibook]: it is just a PS/2 keyboard, right? |
| 15:35.37 | scan[ibook] | yep |
| 15:35.51 | scan[ibook] | kernel gives an "AT keyboard not present?" warning, and it doesn't work |
| 15:36.09 | scan[ibook] | I just booted off the CD and set up sshd so I could take a closer look |
| 15:36.41 | gonkulator | oh, ok |
| 15:37.03 | scan[ibook] | hehe, the gigabit card works fine |
| 16:09.33 | *** join/#picogui file[laptop] (~lan@mctn1-2481.nb.aliant.net) |
| 16:12.39 | file[laptop] | hehe |
| 16:20.22 | scan[ibook] | my 100baseT card and keyboard seem to be mutually exclusive now |
| 16:23.39 | file[laptop] | clarify. |
| 16:23.49 | scan[ibook] | I guess you don't watch red dwarf... |
| 16:24.05 | file[laptop] | I did, but I can't find it on TV anymore |
| 16:24.29 | scan[ibook] | TV is for losers |
| 16:28.23 | scan[ibook] | morning eks |
| 16:28.29 | eks | hello hello :) |
| 16:28.35 | eks | scan[ibook]: good work with PicoGUI :) |
| 16:28.38 | scan[ibook] | great.. now both my keyboard and eth0 are broke |
| 16:28.42 | scan[ibook] | eks: thanks :) |
| 16:29.12 | file[laptop] | scan[ibook]: have you tried smashing it? |
| 16:29.48 | scan[ibook] | I don't think percussive maintenance generally works on ethernet cards or BIOSes |
| 16:30.31 | file[laptop] | flash a new BIOS? |
| 16:31.36 | scan[ibook] | nyetski |
| 16:31.58 | file[laptop] | mmm |
| 16:32.24 | scan[ibook] | only 2 |
| 16:32.31 | scan[ibook] | YAY |
| 16:32.36 | scan[ibook] | keyboard and eth0 both appear to work |
| 16:32.54 | file[laptop] | appear? |
| 16:33.56 | file[laptop] | I should probably make dinner, concluding it's 12:38pm. |
| 16:36.22 | scan[ibook] | that's funny.. the gentoo xfree ebuild just downloaded the MS fonts |
| 16:41.23 | file[laptop] | freaky |
| 17:01.36 | *** join/#picogui dacut (dacut@pool-151-201-19-185.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 17:02.08 | file[laptop] | hi dacut |
| 17:07.32 | dacut | Heya |
| 17:07.41 | file[laptop] | about time! |
| 17:07.47 | dacut | Was actually my irc client just reconnecting. |
| 17:07.56 | file[laptop] | ic |
| 17:12.25 | file[laptop] | I'll brb - really going to the store |
| 17:12.40 | carpman | file[laptop]: buy me some cheese poofs |
| 17:13.47 | dacut | Better watch those iBooks. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/nm/20021122/od_nm/penis_dc&e=3&ncid=573 |
| 17:14.56 | carpman | iBooks don't get hot. |
| 17:15.23 | carpman | scan[ibook]: thats a long song :) |
| 17:15.41 | scan[ibook] | it goes a little something like this... "aaah, hurry up! hurry up! ooh, there's a bunch of flags... coffee time!" |
| 17:24.34 | file[laptop] | mmm back |
| 17:25.50 | file[laptop] | carpman: I charged it all to the guild expense account |
| 17:26.00 | carpman | good good |
| 17:26.46 | carpman | GAH! |
| 17:27.08 | carpman | "Aproaching absolute borderline. Ack! The pulses are flowing backwards!" |
| 17:27.29 | scan[ibook] | activate main battery |
| 17:28.07 | carpman | Reason for failure: Mental stupidity on the part of the programmer :) |
| 17:29.13 | carpman | sasami needs to eat an S2 engine so I can stop worrying about battery power. |
| 17:29.21 | scan[ibook] | soon |
| 17:30.54 | scan[ibook] | hey, looks like XFree is in its 'make install' |
| 17:31.14 | file[laptop] | what did you do to yoshi anyway? |
| 17:31.17 | carpman | well, yoshi is a dual cpu box. |
| 17:31.31 | scan[ibook] | file[laptop]: wiped the disk, installed gentoo |
| 17:31.35 | file[laptop] | uh huh |
| 17:31.53 | file[laptop] | should try Gentoo on puchuu *G* |
| 17:32.22 | file[laptop] | :) |
| 17:32.37 | scan[ibook] | XFree's make install takes longer than an entire picogui compile |
| 17:34.29 | *** join/#picogui robert_ (robert@AC9E37F1.ipt.aol.com) |
| 17:34.31 | scan[ibook] | now for fluxbox... |
| 17:35.07 | file[laptop] | robert_: hello |
| 17:35.50 | robert_ | hello |
| 17:53.57 | file[laptop] | wb gonkulator |
| 17:54.01 | file[laptop] | gonkulator: how's plasma? |
| 17:54.09 | gonkulator | file[laptop]: plasma is doing well |
| 17:54.17 | gonkulator | I just partitioned it's hard drive and installd OS X again |
| 17:54.20 | file[laptop] | ic |
| 17:55.10 | gonkulator | scan[ibook]: whats wrong? |
| 17:55.29 | scan[ibook] | well, two things... |
| 17:55.37 | scan[ibook] | err, one thing |
| 17:55.49 | scan[ibook] | unresolved symbols in NVdriver, two of them :) |
| 17:56.05 | gonkulator | ? |
| 17:56.07 | scan[ibook] | frustrating because it compiled nvdriver against my current kernel sources... |
| 17:56.07 | gonkulator | weird |
| 17:56.35 | gonkulator | I haven't had that problem with any of my machines... ever |
| 17:56.42 | fragglet | heheh |
| 17:56.51 | fragglet | picobot make music! |
| 17:56.52 | PicoBot | ibot: twang! |
| 17:56.57 | | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:56.58 | AoFBot | badoing! is foo |
| 17:57.08 | fragglet | aofbot forget badoing! |
| 17:57.21 | fragglet | AoFBot: badoing! is <reply> picobot: boing! |
| 17:57.21 | AoFBot | Ok, fragglet. |
| 17:57.24 | fragglet | picobot make music! |
| 17:57.25 | PicoBot | ibot: twang! |
| 17:57.26 | | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:57.26 | AoFBot | picobot: boing! |
| 17:57.27 | PicoBot | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:57.27 | AoFBot | picobot: boing! |
| 17:57.27 | PicoBot | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:57.27 | AoFBot | picobot: boing! |
| 17:57.27 | PicoBot | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:57.27 | AoFBot | picobot: boing! |
| 17:57.28 | PicoBot | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:57.28 | AoFBot | picobot: boing! |
| 17:57.28 | PicoBot | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:57.28 | AoFBot | picobot: boing! |
| 17:57.28 | PicoBot | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:57.29 | AoFBot | picobot: boing! |
| 17:57.30 | PicoBot | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:57.30 | AoFBot | picobot: boing! |
| 17:57.32 | PicoBot | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:57.32 | AoFBot | picobot: boing! |
| 17:57.34 | PicoBot | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:57.34 | fragglet | picobot forget boing |
| 17:57.35 | AoFBot | picobot: boing! |
| 17:57.36 | PicoBot | fragglet: I forgot boing |
| 17:57.38 | PicoBot | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:57.38 | AoFBot | picobot: boing! |
| 17:57.40 | PicoBot | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:57.40 | AoFBot | picobot: boing! |
| 17:57.42 | PicoBot | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:57.42 | AoFBot | picobot: boing! |
| 17:57.43 | fragglet | picobot forget boing |
| 17:57.44 | PicoBot | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:57.44 | AoFBot | picobot: boing! |
| 17:57.46 | PicoBot | fragglet, I didn't have anything matching boing |
| 17:57.47 | fragglet | picobot forget boing! |
| 17:57.48 | PicoBot | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:57.48 | AoFBot | picobot: boing! |
| 17:57.49 | PicoBot | fragglet, I didn't have anything matching boing |
| 17:57.52 | PicoBot | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:57.52 | AoFBot | picobot: boing! |
| 17:57.53 | file[laptop] | not again |
| 17:57.54 | PicoBot | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:57.54 | AoFBot | picobot: boing! |
| 17:57.55 | fragglet | noooo |
| 17:57.55 | fragglet | stop |
| 17:57.56 | PicoBot | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:57.56 | AoFBot | picobot: boing! |
| 17:57.57 | PicoBot | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:57.58 | AoFBot | picobot: boing! |
| 17:58.00 | PicoBot | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:58.00 | fragglet | PicoBot: forget boing |
| 17:58.00 | AoFBot | picobot: boing! |
| 17:58.01 | PicoBot | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:58.02 | AoFBot | picobot: boing! |
| 17:58.03 | file[laptop] | fragglet: YOU EEEEEEEEEEDIOT |
| 17:58.03 | fragglet | PicoBot: forget boing |
| 17:58.04 | PicoBot | fragglet, I didn't have anything matching boing |
| 17:58.06 | PicoBot | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:58.06 | AoFBot | picobot: boing! |
| 17:58.08 | PicoBot | fragglet, I didn't have anything matching boing |
| 17:58.08 | gonkulator | PicoBot: forget boing! |
| 17:58.10 | PicoBot | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:58.10 | AoFBot | picobot: boing! |
| 17:58.10 | fragglet | aofbot forget badoing |
| 17:58.12 | PicoBot | gonkulator, I didn't have anything matching boing |
| 17:58.12 | carpman | AoFBot: forget badoing! |
| 17:58.13 | AoFBot | Ok, carpman. |
| 17:58.14 | PicoBot | aofbot: badoing! |
| 17:58.14 | AoFBot | I don't know about thatPicoBot. |
| 17:58.15 | fragglet | AoFBot: badoing is foo |
| 17:58.15 | AoFBot | Ok, fragglet. |
| 17:58.18 | fragglet | AoFBot: badoing! is foo |
| 17:58.18 | AoFBot | Ok, fragglet. |
| 17:58.22 | scan[ibook] | ah, that's better |
| 17:58.25 | gonkulator | PicoBot: forget boing! |
| 17:58.25 | PicoBot | gonkulator: I forgot boing! |
| 17:58.27 | carpman | fragglet: your in SO much trouble :) |
| 17:58.27 | fragglet | sorry :P |
| 17:58.28 | scan[ibook] | nvdriver works now |
| 17:59.01 | fragglet | i tried to get them to stop, maybe they were just enjoying making music |
| 17:59.17 | KeyserSoze | scan[ibook]: installing gentoo? |
| 17:59.20 | scan[ibook] | yes |
| 17:59.21 | carpman | fragglet: GREAT! Now you've woken KeyserSoze up! :) |
| 17:59.29 | fragglet | haha |
| 17:59.30 | KeyserSoze | lol |
| 17:59.47 | KeyserSoze | Sophie installed gentoo yesterday, and finished up today |
| 18:00.15 | gonkulator | now everybody runs gentoo! |
| 18:00.24 | scan[ibook] | hmm, keyboard and mouse still don't work in X |
| 18:00.57 | KeyserSoze | scan[ibook]: did you use /usr/bin/X11/xf86config, or write your own XF86Config from scratch? |
| 18:01.07 | KeyserSoze | and/or, do you have a usb kb+mouse? |
| 18:01.14 | scan[ibook] | xf86config, with tweaking... |
| 18:01.24 | scan[ibook] | USB mouse, ps/2 keyboard |
| 18:01.32 | scan[ibook] | keyboard should work, I probably made a typo in the mouse section |
| 18:03.46 | file[laptop] | great - I've hopefully got a PCI USB card coming to me soon |
| 18:03.55 | KeyserSoze | file[laptop]: what for? |
| 18:04.01 | file[laptop] | KeyserSoze: my Cybiko Xtreme |
| 18:04.19 | file[laptop] | KeyserSoze: so when I get the SD or MMC card I can transfer over MP3s :) |
| 18:04.26 | KeyserSoze | us that the japanese robotic dog? |
| 18:04.35 | file[laptop] | huh? |
| 18:04.40 | KeyserSoze | s/us/is |
| 18:04.46 | file[laptop] | heck no |
| 18:04.51 | file[laptop] | http://www.cybikoxtreme.com/ |
| 18:07.05 | file[laptop] | hi Xentac |
| 18:07.22 | Xentac | hi |
| 18:07.51 | file[laptop] | Xentac: how goeth it? |
| 18:08.42 | Xentac | it's alright |
| 18:08.50 | Xentac | my new phone is cool |
| 18:08.56 | file[laptop] | which one is it? |
| 18:09.02 | Xentac | an a540 |
| 18:09.04 | Xentac | samsung |
| 18:09.07 | file[laptop] | ahhhh |
| 18:09.13 | file[laptop] | my step-dad's got a Motorola Timeport |
| 18:09.38 | KeyserSoze | ooh, fancy |
| 18:10.31 | KeyserSoze | does it have two lcds? |
| 18:10.38 | Xentac | yes.. |
| 18:10.45 | KeyserSoze | that's not a window? |
| 18:10.47 | Xentac | and a blue backlight ;o) |
| 18:10.52 | Xentac | no, it's a mini lcd... |
| 18:11.03 | KeyserSoze | now that's just excessive! |
| 18:11.19 | file[laptop] | http://users.staticky.com/joshnet/pics/room.JPG -> my room in a clean state |
| 18:11.32 | Xentac | nah... that way I can see who's calling me without opening the phone and answering ;o) |
| 18:11.39 | KeyserSoze | that's insane! |
| 18:11.40 | scan[ibook] | yay.. I have xterms, and 2400 FPS running glxgears |
| 18:12.11 | Xentac | scan[ibook]: nice... what video card is that? |
| 18:12.46 | scan[ibook] | GeForce 3 ti200 |
| 18:13.56 | KeyserSoze | my gf2 gts gets 1010fps |
| 18:14.41 | KeyserSoze | hehe, the gf2 beats the tnt2, even when i move the glxgears window around the screen |
| 18:15.06 | file[laptop] | I like this Photosmart digital camera |
| 18:15.33 | carpman | hmm.. 811 on my gf2mx |
| 18:16.27 | KeyserSoze | sophie got 1200 on her gf2 gts, it's a faster version than mine |
| 18:17.33 | file[laptop] | http://users.staticky.com/joshnet/pics/riley.JPG -> my dog |
| 18:18.18 | gonkulator | it looks st0ned |
| 18:18.33 | gonkulator | :) |
| 18:18.50 | carpman | it does |
| 18:19.10 | file[laptop] | he was sleeping |
| 18:19.19 | file[laptop] | KeyserSoze: hehe |
| 18:19.20 | carpman | yeah, "sleeping" |
| 18:19.31 | gonkulator | thats what tehye are calling it now? |
| 18:21.26 | Xentac | file[laptop]: I used to have a dog.. but she died... |
| 18:22.05 | file[laptop] | Xentac: what kind? |
| 18:22.25 | KeyserSoze | file[laptop]: the dead kind, weren't you listening? |
| 18:22.32 | Xentac | hmmm... it was... a mix... |
| 18:22.34 | KeyserSoze | geez, that's so insensitive, file! |
| 18:22.36 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: hehehe |
| 18:22.47 | file[laptop] | mine's an american cocker spaniel |
| 18:23.10 | scan[ibook] | yay.. X, fluxbox, NVidia drivers, and a kernel. All a growing Athlon needs |
| 18:23.22 | KeyserSoze | scan[ibook]: eterm? |
| 18:23.44 | KeyserSoze | scan[ibook]: gkrellm? ut2003-demo? |
| 18:24.01 | carpman | scan[ibook]: Its not EVEYTHING an athlon needs. To ignore our gaming desires is to deny what seperates us from the Intels. |
| 18:24.18 | Xentac | carpman: bwahahaha |
| 18:24.21 | Xentac | nie one |
| 18:24.23 | Xentac | er, nice |
| 18:24.26 | KeyserSoze | scan[ibook]: openssh! can't forget that. |
| 18:24.27 | carpman | Xentac: yeah, same problem for me. ad.keenspace.com is muxed |
| 18:24.37 | Xentac | this is horrible! |
| 18:24.39 | carpman | KeyserSoze: emerged by default. |
| 18:24.51 | Xentac | the horror... the horror... |
| 18:25.44 | KeyserSoze | carpman: that would explain why it's not in my /var/cache/edb/world, wouldn't it? :D |
| 18:25.59 | scan[ibook] | I emerged sshd when I was trying to debug my keyboard problem, so I could log in from here |
| 18:28.56 | KeyserSoze | scan[ibook]: do you use NIS, or LDAP, or kerberos (or anything similar) on your network? |
| 18:29.52 | *** join/#picogui Sophie (~sophie@12-245-83-56.client.attbi.com) |
| 18:29.56 | Sophie | hi. |
| 18:29.57 | file[laptop] | hey Sophie |
| 18:30.00 | carpman | hi Sophie |
| 18:30.01 | scan[ibook] | I used NIS a long while ago |
| 18:30.09 | NonToxic | Care Bear OS??!? |
| 18:30.12 | Sophie | :) |
| 18:30.44 | KeyserSoze | NonToxic: yes, but it sounds more like "CareBearOS", since it's all one word |
| 18:31.22 | NonToxic | =) |
| 18:33.30 | file[laptop] | and to anyone who may care, my eye is much better than lastnight |
| 18:33.56 | KeyserSoze | how can you meaningfully compare an eye to a night? |
| 18:34.12 | file[laptop] | KeyserSoze: have you had coffee today? |
| 18:34.14 | KeyserSoze | i've had some good nights, but i'd rather have my eye than any one of them. |
| 18:35.19 | *** join/#picogui Glitch (Glitch@66-90-216-157.grandecom.net) |
| 18:35.25 | file[laptop] | oh no |
| 18:35.26 | file[laptop] | it's Glitch |
| 18:36.02 | Glitch | PicoBot: seen gonkulator? |
| 18:36.03 | PicoBot | gonkulator was last seen on #picogui 16 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: thats what tehye are calling it now? [Sun Nov 24 11:23:23 2002] |
| 18:36.29 | Glitch | what about you, file? |
| 18:36.33 | Glitch | seen gonk? |
| 18:36.42 | file[laptop] | yeah |
| 18:36.42 | carpman | Glitch: you ca't have it |
| 18:36.47 | file[laptop] | he's probably messing with plasma |
| 18:36.52 | Glitch | darn. |
| 18:36.56 | carpman | Glitch: he is giving his old one to his mom. |
| 18:36.57 | Glitch | ah, well. |
| 18:37.04 | carpman | AoFBot: Ahem! |
| 18:37.13 | Glitch | YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:37.27 | Glitch | how's she workin'? |
| 18:37.38 | carpman | AoFBot: Ahem!! |
| 18:37.45 | Glitch | hhhmmmmmmm. |
| 18:38.04 | Glitch | carpman? |
| 18:38.18 | *** join/#picogui dacut (dacut@pool-151-201-19-185.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 18:38.20 | carpman | anyone have a divx of hackers, I need something funny to watch on the long, long, long, long, long, thanksgiving break. |
| 18:38.24 | carpman | Glitch: yeah? |
| 18:38.36 | Glitch | never mind.... |
| 18:38.50 | gonkulator | hi Glitch |
| 18:38.57 | Glitch | howdy! |
| 18:39.01 | dacut | Ah, yes. pgserver is now running on FreeBSD. |
| 18:39.29 | gonkulator | Glitch: carpman tells me that you want my old iBook |
| 18:40.03 | Glitch | yes very much so, gonk., |
| 18:40.30 | Glitch | but too your mother it goes... |
| 18:40.45 | file[laptop] | to not too |
| 18:41.13 | Glitch | AoFBot: Ahem! |
| 18:41.19 | Glitch | YES!! |
| 18:41.32 | file[laptop] | no. |
| 18:41.44 | gonkulator | Glitch: I haven't made full decision on that transaction |
| 18:42.08 | Glitch | oh, REally? |
| 18:42.22 | gonkulator | yeah |
| 18:42.26 | carpman | AoFBot: Glitch is a n00b. |
| 18:42.26 | AoFBot | Ok, carpman. |
| 18:42.32 | gonkulator | lol |
| 18:42.35 | Glitch | shut up. |
| 18:43.20 | carpman | Glitch: use da holy water >:) |
| 18:43.20 | scan[ibook] | where does $SHELL normally get set in gentoo? |
| 18:43.28 | Glitch | so, what could sway this, Gonk? |
| 18:43.33 | Glitch | oh dear. |
| 18:43.40 | gonkulator | and a 30 gig hard drive |
| 18:43.44 | scan[ibook] | gonkulator: selling the airport card too? |
| 18:43.47 | Glitch | oh dear. |
| 18:44.07 | file[laptop] | Glitch: your future doesn't look good |
| 18:44.11 | gonkulator | scan[ibook]: yeah, I will be getting one for christmas |
| 18:44.14 | Glitch | AoFBot: Ahem! |
| 18:44.45 | Glitch | hmmmm... holywater on file, roll d20... |
| 18:44.48 | carpman | Glitch: use the holy water on file! :) |
| 18:44.52 | Glitch | got a 1!!! |
| 18:44.57 | carpman | PicoBot: d20 |
| 18:44.57 | Glitch | sooo.... |
| 18:44.58 | *** part/#picogui file[laptop] (~lan@mctn1-2481.nb.aliant.net) |
| 18:45.03 | Glitch | YES!!! |
| 18:45.10 | Glitch | IT WORKED!!! |
| 18:45.21 | *** join/#picogui flexo (~flexo@pD9E16EFE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:45.35 | Glitch | gonk: Cool. |
| 18:45.47 | carpman | gonkulator: in a pencil and paper RPG glitch and I are playing, glitch is a preist. He tried to heal a goth with some holy water, rolled a 1, and blew the goth up :) |
| 18:46.09 | gonkulator | hehehe |
| 18:46.12 | Glitch | so how much would I have to grovel here, Gonk? |
| 18:46.28 | gonkulator | Glitch: no groveling necessary |
| 18:46.33 | fragglet | heh |
| 18:46.37 | fragglet | fresco on /. |
| 18:46.39 | Glitch | ok, so... |
| 18:46.59 | gonkulator | so give me a second to check the price on eBay |
| 18:47.33 | carpman | Glitch: that means be patient, pretentious cab beast. |
| 18:47.53 | Glitch | yes, yes that's fascinating. |
| 18:48.55 | Glitch | DOO DEE DOO DEE DOO DEE DOOOOOO!! |
| 18:49.58 | gonkulator | Glitch: it looks like the going rate on ebay is around 800 |
| 18:50.05 | Glitch | oww. |
| 18:50.18 | Glitch | hmm. |
| 18:50.24 | gonkulator | this iBook will have a bigger hard drive, so it is more valuable than the going rate |
| 18:51.06 | Glitch | do you accept payment plans? |
| 18:51.10 | gonkulator | but it will come with an airport card |
| 18:51.17 | Glitch | sayyy, 5% interest? |
| 18:51.19 | gonkulator | like what sort of a payment plan? |
| 18:51.46 | Glitch | x amount of money per month over y amount of time. |
| 18:52.04 | Glitch | plus a small amount of interest. |
| 18:52.19 | gonkulator | I would rather get the full amount of money up front |
| 18:52.32 | Glitch | hmmm. |
| 18:52.50 | Glitch | even though you'd be making more? |
| 18:52.59 | *** join/#picogui probe (~burning_l@12-253-206-249.client.attbi.com) |
| 18:53.02 | gonkulator | its a cash flow thing |
| 18:53.04 | gonkulator | hi probe |
| 18:53.05 | gonkulator | ! |
| 18:53.06 | probe | hello all |
| 18:53.12 | Glitch | low on it, right now? |
| 18:53.21 | probe | PicoBot: surprise! |
| 18:53.21 | PicoBot | bagel! |
| 18:53.23 | gonkulator | no |
| 18:53.30 | gonkulator | I am in a good spot for now |
| 18:53.30 | Glitch | oh? |
| 18:53.36 | Glitch | good. |
| 18:53.50 | Glitch | so what about the cash flow ting. |
| 18:53.52 | Glitch | ? |
| 18:53.55 | Glitch | thing? |
| 18:54.10 | gonkulator | I don't like collecting money over periods of time |
| 18:54.15 | Glitch | hmmm. |
| 18:54.19 | gonkulator | geek == bad memory == forget to collect |
| 18:54.40 | Glitch | it will be sent directly to you. |
| 18:54.50 | Glitch | no reminders nesscicary. |
| 18:55.01 | gonkulator | if it is all of it, I'll send you the iBook |
| 18:56.07 | Glitch | how long can I wait on this> |
| 18:56.17 | gonkulator | a bit |
| 18:56.31 | Glitch | it would take a while to sace up 9000 |
| 18:56.32 | gonkulator | the iBook will be mine until my mom gives me money for it if she buys it |
| 18:57.51 | carpman | hrmm.. hey Glitch, did you know your being hosted by grandecom.net? |
| 18:58.02 | Glitch | what? |
| 18:58.03 | *** join/#picogui icebird (~icebird@linzu2-214-76.utaonline.at) |
| 18:58.10 | Glitch | who's that? |
| 18:58.12 | carpman | "Glitch@66-90-216-157.grandecom.net" |
| 18:58.14 | carpman | I dunno |
| 18:58.46 | Glitch | hmmmmmmm... |
| 18:59.19 | gonkulator | Glitch: email me if you want to talk more on this (lottabs2@yahoo.com) |
| 18:59.27 | Glitch | sure thing. |
| 18:59.39 | *** join/#picogui file[laptop] (~lan@mctn1-2481.nb.aliant.net) |
| 19:00.39 | Glitch | it's a portal site! |
| 19:00.58 | icebird | hi, i wanna run picoGUI on my yopy, and so far it displays the keyboard, but the interface renders unreadable if i try to 'click' a button, actually icewm is running in the background, anyone knows what i did wrong? |
| 19:01.31 | file[laptop] | probe! |
| 19:01.37 | file[laptop] | I missed him again... |
| 19:01.51 | Xentac | file[laptop]: missed who? |
| 19:02.00 | flexo | icebird: the yopy uses a 16bit display right? |
| 19:02.07 | icebird | right |
| 19:02.13 | file[laptop] | probe. |
| 19:02.16 | flexo | and its accessible via 32bit right? |
| 19:02.29 | probe[out] | eh? I'm out for now... I've company over here |
| 19:02.34 | file[laptop] | k |
| 19:02.41 | flexo | iirc some guy posted that problem in the ml |
| 19:02.41 | Glitch | carpman: i think they might own netzer0. |
| 19:02.44 | Xentac | probe[out]: have fun with your company... |
| 19:02.49 | probe[out] | file: sorry.... can't really chat at the moment, parents might decapitate me |
| 19:02.57 | file[laptop] | probe[out]: k |
| 19:03.30 | scan[ibook] | icebird: are you trying to run both X and picogui at the same time, but using the fbdev driver for picogui? |
| 19:04.30 | icebird | scan[ibook]: ok, /me should read the config file more carefully |
| 19:04.50 | scan[ibook] | icebird: either kill X, or run picogui with a different video driver (probably x11) |
| 19:05.32 | carpman | Glitch: did you want to go up to utd tommorow? |
| 19:05.46 | carpman | actually |
| 19:05.47 | Glitch | when? |
| 19:05.52 | Glitch | hmm? |
| 19:05.54 | carpman | thats a bad idea. I have 2 tests tommorow |
| 19:06.01 | Glitch | ahh. |
| 19:07.18 | Glitch | tomorrow? |
| 19:12.09 | Glitch | got to go mow the lawn now. |
| 19:12.30 | file[laptop] | k |
| 19:12.48 | Glitch | see y'all later. |
| 19:20.25 | *** join/#picogui ahnkana (~Ahnkana@aden2-135-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU) |
| 19:42.16 | probe[out] | ...and probe is still entertaining house guests. . . (sigh) |
| 19:44.08 | file[laptop] | hehe |
| 19:46.18 | *** part/#picogui danny (~danny@stjh1-1898.nb.aliant.net) |
| 20:02.18 | scan[ibook] | PicoBot: seen merlin262? |
| 20:02.19 | PicoBot | merlin262 was last seen on #picogui 13 hours, 33 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying: a design too beutiful for itself. [Sat Nov 23 23:32:31 2002] |
| 20:02.38 | *** join/#picogui takk|gone (~takkaria@public1-asht1-3-cust122.oldh.broadband.ntl.com) |
| 20:02.41 | takk|gone | yak! |
| 20:02.51 | scan[ibook] | llama? |
| 20:03.59 | takk|gone | :) |
| 20:10.01 | ahnkana | scan[ibook]: page seeks food, did you or michael wish food? |
| 20:10.30 | scan[ibook] | michael's still asleep, I'm not hungry |
| 20:10.52 | ahnkana | ok, sorry about the bubble papaer |
| 20:10.55 | ahnkana | -a |
| 20:11.19 | ahnkana | i didn't realize how loud that was until liron asked me what it was |
| 20:12.09 | ahnkana | but if i didn't bother you, that is good |
| 20:14.51 | ahnkana | (j/k) |
| 20:14.56 | scan[ibook] | what the hell.... |
| 20:15.06 | scan[ibook] | ./configure is recursively recursing or something |
| 20:15.26 | ahnkana | scan[ibook]: would you, dan and david want to watch some of the prisoner later today (much later today)? |
| 20:15.36 | scan[ibook] | I don't knwo |
| 20:15.40 | scan[ibook] | s/knwo/know/ |
| 20:15.52 | ahnkana | ok, i will ask you much later today then |
| 20:18.34 | carpman | NARGH! Why do I have this urge to install MacOS 10.2?!?!?! |
| 20:18.43 | carpman | Must... resist.... rdf! |
| 20:18.47 | takk|gone | because it's addictive |
| 20:19.28 | ahnkana | yes! |
| 20:19.34 | ahnkana | muahhahahahaha |
| 20:19.46 | scan[ibook] | carpman: have you had trouble with pgserver recursively ./configure'ing under gentoo before? |
| 20:20.15 | carpman | scan[ibook]: not on gentoo, but I have had configure go recursive because of an incorrect timestamp before. |
| 20:20.20 | carpman | make sure the date is right |
| 20:20.28 | scan[ibook] | ok |
| 20:25.56 | carpman | I could buy a dual 1ghz G4 with a 17" flatpanel and 36gb scsi-160 for 3508 |
| 20:26.09 | carpman | thats 35 weeks of saving |
| 20:26.36 | scan[ibook] | wow, setting my clock fixed the recursive configure and my freetype problems |
| 20:26.49 | scan[ibook] | it was only about 6 hours behind :) |
| 20:28.27 | *** join/#picogui scanline (~micah@aden2-142-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU) |
| 20:29.27 | file[laptop] | :) |
| 20:33.18 | takk|gone | "only" |
| 20:41.37 | ahnkana | scanline: has michael emerged yet? |
| 20:41.51 | scanline | yeah, somewhat... |
| 20:41.59 | file[laptop] | haha somewhat |
| 20:41.59 | ahnkana | lol, what does that mean? |
| 20:42.34 | scanline | not sure |
| 20:42.38 | ahnkana | :-) |
| 20:43.28 | ahnkana | i ask because i was going to see if he had interest in going to the itl in an hour |
| 20:43.44 | scanline | well, he's awake |
| 20:43.47 | ahnkana | but if you aren't suer if he is awake or not, he prolly doesn't want to go |
| 20:43.48 | ahnkana | lol |
| 20:43.49 | scanline | but I don't know where he is |
| 20:43.55 | ahnkana | lol, k |
| 20:44.00 | scanline | and he didn't look very much awake |
| 20:44.10 | ahnkana | s'ok, you are not your roommates keeper |
| 20:44.17 | scanline | uh huh |
| 20:44.20 | ahnkana | (maybe your brothers, but.._ |
| 20:46.06 | carpman | df |
| 20:46.21 | file[laptop] | I scored myself a 3DFX Voodoo3 2000 video card |
| 20:47.38 | scanline | wow, now you can render.. a polygon! |
| 20:47.53 | file[laptop] | 16mb of SDRAM |
| 20:47.59 | file[laptop] | Supports resolutions up to 2048x1536 |
| 20:48.07 | file[laptop] | 100 billion operations per second |
| 20:48.11 | scanline | on your 12" monitor? |
| 20:48.17 | file[laptop] | hahaha |
| 21:07.17 | *** join/#picogui dacut (dacut@pool-151-201-19-185.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 21:12.09 | dacut | Grr. Have I mentioned how much I dislike autoconf? |
| 21:12.14 | dacut | PicoBot: autoconf |
| 21:12.15 | PicoBot | autoconf is an evil incarnated from the seventh circle of hell, that knows no bounds or limits, possessing software projects, and bringing great sadness to the hearts of all programmers. |
| 21:14.03 | probe | hello all |
| 21:14.10 | ahnkana | hi probe |
| 21:14.13 | dacut | Heya probe |
| 21:14.19 | probe | time to attempt a net-install of debian! |
| 21:14.37 | probe | it'll be a pain seting up my wirelss network though... |
| 21:14.44 | probe | s/setting/seting |
| 21:14.47 | ahnkana | scanline: any interest in seeing godspell? mason has extratickets and they are free |
| 21:14.59 | scanline | no |
| 21:15.00 | file[laptop] | free is good |
| 21:15.12 | scanline | probe! |
| 21:15.13 | Soph{clean} | free! |
| 21:15.14 | scanline | hiya! |
| 21:15.19 | ahnkana | scanline: ok, sweet |
| 21:15.20 | probe | scanline: hey |
| 21:15.51 | *** join/#picogui danny (~danny@stjh1-1898.nb.aliant.net) |
| 21:16.29 | probe | scanline: basically all I have to do is boot off of debian cd, setup network card drivers, direct to access port, and apt-get for my debian installation, correct? |
| 21:16.35 | scanline | yay.. high system load and strange OpenGL effects, and my system hasn't crashed |
| 21:16.41 | probe | = ] |
| 21:16.51 | scanline | probe: or use gentoo :) |
| 21:17.07 | probe | no no.... I like my debian |
| 21:17.26 | probe | file: congrats on your new voodoo3... I had one once, but I sold it to scanline's little bro |
| 21:18.01 | probe | scanline: has trev told you about his birthday gift? metroid prime? he's beginning to obssess = ] |
| 21:18.20 | file[laptop] | probe: neat |
| 21:19.01 | probe | well, time to begin my journey |
| 21:19.08 | probe | I'll see you all around |
| 21:19.09 | Xentac | it sucks when you offer a nice woman (friend) a nice massage and she says ok, as long as she finishes her homework in time... |
| 21:19.23 | file[laptop] | hehe |
| 21:19.52 | Xentac | suddenly you have to find stuff to do... that you can drop /if/ she calls ;o) |
| 21:20.01 | carpman | scanline: help! I'm being drawn in by MacOS's flashy graphics! |
| 21:20.17 | carpman | If something dosn't happen, I'll make gonk upload an ISO of 10.2 to navi! |
| 21:20.23 | Xentac | carpman: quickly... picture the worst thing you can think of... |
| 21:20.33 | Xentac | carpman: a PPC running win95! |
| 21:20.47 | carpman | Xentac: Windows XP came to mind. All that did was make MacOS more attratvive, damn you! :) |
| 21:20.54 | Xentac | doh! |
| 21:21.03 | scanline | hmmm |
| 21:21.14 | Xentac | but think of the RDF! |
| 21:21.32 | carpman | brb, grocery hauling |
| 21:23.02 | file[laptop] | file's shopping basket for today: 1 PCI USB Card Adapter, 1 Voodoo3 2000 PCI Video card, some 32MB RAM sticks, and possibly a 4 port hub |
| 21:24.35 | Keyser[away] | 32mb ram? for what? |
| 21:24.42 | carpman | back |
| 21:24.43 | Xentac | Keyser[away]: his desktop! |
| 21:24.45 | file[laptop] | chimera |
| 21:25.55 | file[laptop] | Xentac: space is airing something about how fake the moon landing was... it's pretty convincing |
| 21:26.10 | carpman | convincing if your a dolt |
| 21:26.44 | file[laptop] | carpman: how could something be brightly lit if the sun is in front of it and it's in the shadows? |
| 21:26.45 | Xentac | probably as convincing as the flat earth society... |
| 21:28.14 | file[laptop] | Xentac: turn it on... |
| 21:28.14 | carpman | file[laptop]: reflections, you n00b |
| 21:28.14 | file[laptop] | carpman: lol |
| 21:28.34 | file[laptop] | Xentac: I'm serious - turn this on |
| 21:28.46 | carpman | err |
| 21:29.04 | carpman | "Clean bike, watch tripe... clean bike, watch tripe..." |
| 21:29.22 | Xentac | carpman: hehehe |
| 21:29.26 | file[laptop] | apparently the cameras were etched with crosshairs |
| 21:29.31 | file[laptop] | so that they'd have to appear in every photo |
| 21:29.53 | carpman | file[laptop]: what does that signify? |
| 21:30.04 | carpman | Aliens did the etching?!?!?! |
| 21:30.05 | Xentac | I doubt I'll watch the whole thing |
| 21:30.12 | file[laptop] | but in some photos the items covered them up |
| 21:30.15 | scanline | sound and fury |
| 21:30.35 | file[laptop] | Xentac: you missed all the good stuff |
| 21:30.40 | Xentac | oh good |
| 21:30.47 | Xentac | yay, celebrate snow! |
| 21:30.53 | file[laptop] | haha |
| 21:30.59 | file[laptop] | frozen water can be so much fun |
| 21:31.02 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 21:31.12 | file[laptop] | LOL |
| 21:31.18 | file[laptop] | you don't have to be a little off the wall to live here |
| 21:31.23 | Xentac | yay, world's best country! |
| 21:31.32 | Xentac | ewww... it's a ford commercial |
| 21:31.48 | file[laptop] | a buck a day computers |
| 21:31.59 | file[laptop] | she looks ugly |
| 21:32.05 | Xentac | and some cheaply made bunch of women singing... |
| 21:32.16 | file[laptop] | yuck... XP |
| 21:32.20 | Xentac | trying to convince me to buy a buck-a-day computer.. |
| 21:32.36 | file[laptop] | but your already approved! |
| 21:33.15 | carpman | You see, the problem is this. I have no life. |
| 21:33.32 | carpman | I see all this stuff in MacOS and I think "Oh, cool, the IM is built in" |
| 21:33.40 | carpman | and then I realize, I don't chat except on IRC |
| 21:33.51 | scanline | carpman: it's the RDF, it's got you |
| 21:33.51 | file[laptop] | Xentac: that looked like a UPS truck |
| 21:33.59 | Xentac | file[laptop]: :P |
| 21:34.00 | carpman | scanline: list possible cures? |
| 21:34.14 | carpman | ow |
| 21:34.20 | scanline | carpman: step 1, look at the MacOS X API |
| 21:34.23 | file[laptop] | AND BOOM! he's dead! |
| 21:34.30 | scanline | carpman: step 2, look at the memory usage |
| 21:34.35 | scanline | carpman: step 3, look for the source code |
| 21:34.43 | file[laptop] | Xentac: let's blame the Americans for all this stuff |
| 21:34.51 | carpman | wow, I'm cured. |
| 21:35.35 | file[laptop] | carpman: ahem! |
| 21:35.40 | Xentac | "the truth is out there" ;o) |
| 21:35.45 | carpman | file[laptop]: what? |
| 21:35.54 | file[laptop] | carpman: oh nevermind |
| 21:35.55 | carpman | AoFBot: Ahem! |
| 21:36.00 | file[laptop] | there it is! |
| 21:37.10 | file[laptop] | Xentac: still watching? |
| 21:37.11 | carpman | the scream of 3 10k rpm drives is kind of getting to me. |
| 21:37.13 | Xentac | yeah... |
| 21:37.24 | file[laptop] | Xentac: getting freaked out? |
| 21:37.45 | Xentac | nah... though there is a lot of facts... |
| 21:37.53 | file[laptop] | yup |
| 21:38.30 | file[laptop] | hehe |
| 21:39.01 | file[laptop] | eh commercial... |
| 21:39.02 | carpman | Xentac: like the radar cross sections of the debris left in orbit from the Apollo missions? |
| 21:39.25 | Xentac | carpman: hehehe... well... I don't know if the question of them actually reaching space is true... |
| 21:39.35 | KeyserSoze | isn't there a way to see what resolution X is using? I've been checking in /var/log/XFxxx, but it seems there's got to be a better way |
| 21:39.35 | Xentac | er... |
| 21:39.41 | Xentac | the question of them reacting space is there |
| 21:39.49 | Xentac | it's the question of them standing on the moon |
| 21:39.52 | scanline | KeyserSoze: get the dimensions of the root window |
| 21:40.11 | KeyserSoze | scanline: yes, that's what I want to do. |
| 21:40.55 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.55 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.10 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.20 | scanline | then the display is iw by ih pixels |
| 21:41.33 | KeyserSoze | i didn't mean in a program, though. |
| 21:41.41 | scanline | hrmph |
| 21:41.48 | carpman | hehe |
| 21:42.01 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: xvidtune |
| 21:42.12 | file[laptop] | Xentac: the waving flag : |
| 21:42.13 | file[laptop] | :) |
| 21:42.18 | Xentac | hehehe... flags flapping in the wind on the moon. |
| 21:42.30 | KeyserSoze | ooh, that's fancy |
| 21:47.03 | *** join/#picogui gonkulator (~AthIRC@user-33qtvfm.dialup.mindspring.com) |
| 21:47.15 | file[laptop] | hi gonkulator |
| 21:47.16 | carpman | gonkulator: NARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:47.29 | gonkulator | hi file[laptop] |
| 21:47.30 | KeyserSoze | can you change x's settings (like resolution) without exiting and restarting? |
| 21:47.35 | carpman | gonkulator: Must.... resist... RDF |
| 21:47.37 | gonkulator | carpman: whats wrong? |
| 21:47.39 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: only with RivR |
| 21:47.41 | dacut | Ctrl+Alt+ + |
| 21:47.43 | gonkulator | carpman: do you want a new iBook now? |
| 21:47.43 | carpman | scanline's cure... fading. |
| 21:47.46 | Xentac | rivir? |
| 21:47.59 | scanline | RandR |
| 21:48.04 | carpman | gonkulator: no, I'm trying to resist the idea of wiping sasami and puting 10.2 on |
| 21:48.07 | gonkulator | file[laptop]: can I have some charge |
| 21:48.15 | KeyserSoze | dacut: yeah, i know about ctrl alt + and -, but i want to keep the virtual screen the same size as the real screen |
| 21:48.23 | gonkulator | carpman: can't help you there, in fact, all I can do is offer you some 10.2 isos |
| 21:48.31 | file[laptop] | gonkulator: mmm no |
| 21:48.31 | scanline | KeyserSoze: that's what RandR is for |
| 21:48.48 | dacut | KeyserSoze: Ah, so changing depth? Don't think that's possible, at least given the way X is written. |
| 21:48.59 | carpman | gonkulator: have you tried compiling pgserver in OSX? |
| 21:49.08 | KeyserSoze | scanline: where do you get RandR? |
| 21:49.08 | carpman | or actually, cli_c |
| 21:49.23 | gonkulator | carpman: I did, but not very hard |
| 21:49.33 | carpman | gonkulator: did cli_c compile? |
| 21:49.44 | gonkulator | carpman: I didn't try |
| 21:49.47 | gonkulator | want me to? |
| 21:49.53 | carpman | if cli_c compiles, I'll do it. |
| 21:49.54 | dacut | I'm fixing cli_c to compile on FreeBSD at the moment. |
| 21:49.58 | carpman | yeh, give it a spin |
| 21:50.02 | dacut | Which may or may not help OSX. |
| 21:50.02 | gonkulator | carpman: ok, I'll give it a try |
| 21:50.04 | KeyserSoze | is RandR in XF86 4.2.1? |
| 21:50.43 | scanline | KeyserSoze: I've never actually used RandR, but that's the extension recently added to support changing resolution and depth at runtime. AFAIK it's only available in CVS |
| 21:50.48 | carpman | power management in the linux kernel sucks hard. I don't think my old battery was going bad, I think gentoo was runing at full power all the time. |
| 21:51.31 | Xentac | hehehe... 2 years, eh? |
| 21:51.33 | file[laptop] | Xentac: I wonder when this was made |
| 21:51.52 | file[laptop] | Xentac: you should have sent the start of it... |
| 21:52.04 | file[laptop] | er seen |
| 21:52.19 | gonkulator | carpman: I was going to hold off from doing PicoGUI stuff until I got my new hard drive, but now its all good |
| 21:52.53 | gonkulator | 7.6 meg for the CVS snapshot |
| 21:54.47 | gonkulator | carpman: do you have a copy of 10.2 |
| 21:55.13 | carpman | gonkulator: no |
| 21:55.23 | file[laptop] | carpman: thought you were taking a coupon |
| 21:55.26 | carpman | those upgrade cupons are actually toilet paper |
| 21:55.30 | file[laptop] | LOL |
| 21:55.33 | KeyserSoze | in /etc/init.d, I have a "nfs" and a "nfsmount", but no "nfsd". that doesn't seem to make sense. Shouldn't the daemon have an init script, and not the client stuff? or is nfs and nfsmount not the client stuff? |
| 21:55.33 | file[laptop] | they refused you? |
| 21:55.38 | gonkulator | file[laptop]: he isn't kidding |
| 21:55.41 | carpman | file[laptop]: yes. |
| 21:55.47 | file[laptop] | carpman: what did they say exactly? |
| 21:55.48 | carpman | "Those are only for the online store" |
| 21:55.57 | file[laptop] | bah! |
| 21:56.00 | gonkulator | carpman: so how do they work? |
| 21:56.09 | carpman | and online, you find out that my laptop, being one of the orignal series, is not eligible. |
| 21:56.31 | file[laptop] | can't you lie? |
| 21:56.42 | carpman | file[laptop]: no, there is a serial # on the cupon. |
| 21:56.47 | gonkulator | so what kind of software can I get with my coupons (the ones I got with plasma)? |
| 21:56.54 | file[laptop] | carpman: ic |
| 21:56.59 | carpman | gonkulator: the next point release, probably |
| 21:57.11 | gonkulator | hmm... |
| 21:57.14 | carpman | 10.3 |
| 21:57.23 | carpman | Clothswire |
| 21:57.48 | file[laptop] | gonkulator: punch 'em in online and see what happens |
| 21:59.48 | gonkulator | carpman: all I could find was the "Apple Software Proof-of-Purchase Coupons" |
| 21:59.58 | *** join/#picogui Kidder (kidders@h24-65-171-188.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 22:00.18 | *** join/#picogui rev (~rev@24-197-178-21.dul.mn.charter.com) |
| 22:00.26 | Xentac | hehehe... it's quite slow... and choppy... but it works... |
| 22:00.29 | file[laptop] | hi Kidder and rev |
| 22:00.34 | carpman | gonkulator: do yours say "#, Software Cupon, Mac OS X, Mac OS 9.1" |
| 22:00.37 | Xentac | hey Kidder |
| 22:00.37 | Kidder | howdy |
| 22:00.48 | gonkulator | carpman: |
| 22:00.50 | gonkulator | carpman: yes |
| 22:00.59 | Kidder | get your bike stuff on?? |
| 22:01.00 | carpman | hrm |
| 22:01.05 | gonkulator | carpman: actually, no |
| 22:01.08 | Xentac | Kidder: nah... probably won't be going it today... |
| 22:01.22 | gonkulator | carpman: they spell coupon with two "o"s |
| 22:01.25 | Kidder | ah i see |
| 22:01.31 | carpman | gonkulator: :P |
| 22:01.40 | Kidder | did you go for ride?? its a nice day?? |
| 22:01.48 | Xentac | although... I had wanted to give Naomi a massage today (thereby, getting one in return)... but she's busy right now doing her homework... and may call me... |
| 22:01.56 | Xentac | nah... I haven't... I was thinking of washing it today though... |
| 22:01.57 | carpman | gonkulator: anyway, how goes cli_c? |
| 22:02.08 | Xentac | just haven't made it up off the computer yet |
| 22:02.09 | Kidder | ah |
| 22:02.17 | Xentac | (this time) |
| 22:02.18 | Kidder | wha |
| 22:02.22 | gonkulator | carpman: autogen.sh:error: while running automake -a |
| 22:02.41 | Kidder | i guess thats what sundays are for |
| 22:03.21 | file[laptop] | gonkulator: so what'cha gonna do with the coupons now... |
| 22:03.32 | file[laptop] | gonkulator: now that you found 'em... |
| 22:03.36 | Kidder | what was that page you were showing me lasty night?? |
| 22:03.43 | carpman | gonkulator: thats a common error, I think everyone gets that. |
| 22:03.49 | gonkulator | file[laptop]: they are too rough to be used as toilet paper... I think I am going to seel them on ebay |
| 22:04.00 | file[laptop] | gonkulator: ahhhhhhh you can do that? |
| 22:04.00 | gonkulator | carpman: ./configure seems to be going alright |
| 22:04.23 | gonkulator | file[laptop]: sell them on ebay... and no, I can't |
| 22:04.23 | carpman | yeah, it was libtool that choked, if I remember |
| 22:04.37 | carpman | AoFBot: Ahem! |
| 22:04.44 | file[laptop] | gonkulator: i...c |
| 22:05.31 | Xentac | Kidder: which page...? |
| 22:05.39 | Kidder | geek one |
| 22:05.41 | Xentac | thinkgeek.com |
| 22:05.46 | Kidder | ah |
| 22:06.21 | gonkulator | ./configure worked :) |
| 22:06.33 | carpman | gonkulator: good, try make >:) |
| 22:06.57 | gonkulator | carpman: making :) |
| 22:07.03 | carpman | oh damn. fink has ethereal. |
| 22:07.16 | carpman | err |
| 22:07.24 | scanline | does menuconfig work? Last time I tried, the ncurses in OS X was way too broken |
| 22:07.24 | carpman | nevermind, confused. |
| 22:07.35 | gonkulator | scanline: I didn't try |
| 22:08.10 | carpman | Its kismet I can't get to run in gentoo |
| 22:08.25 | gonkulator | scanline: I fell asleep |
| 22:08.31 | gonkulator | darn... |
| 22:08.46 | gonkulator | is there anything between I didn't try and "I fell asleep"? |
| 22:08.54 | gonkulator | my iBook ran out of batteries |
| 22:09.16 | carpman | gonkulator: no, me just complaining about how I can't get kismet to work in gentoo |
| 22:09.22 | carpman | s/me just/just me |
| 22:09.32 | gonkulator | oh, ok |
| 22:09.40 | gonkulator | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.01 | carpman | gonkulator: thats because your only 80% nerd :) |
| 22:10.34 | gonkulator | "Its kismet I can't get to run in gentoo" |
| 22:10.50 | carpman | ah, what the heck. It might convince me to work on the build system. |
| 22:10.53 | carpman | gonkulator, hook me up |
| 22:11.16 | gonkulator | grop.c:45: conflicting types for `grop_zombie_count' |
| 22:11.17 | gonkulator | ../include/pgserver/g_malloc.h:66: previous declaration of `grop_zombie_count' |
| 22:11.17 | gonkulator | make[2]: *** [grop.lo] Error 1 |
| 22:11.47 | carpman | thats an internal thing, tho |
| 22:11.55 | gonkulator | ? |
| 22:12.01 | carpman | thats not MacOS's fault |
| 22:12.06 | gonkulator | oh |
| 22:12.23 | carpman | gonkulator: c'mon, make with the isos before I come to my senses :) |
| 22:12.39 | gonkulator | carpman: give me a minute, I have to DD them and upload them to navi... |
| 22:12.43 | carpman | k |
| 22:16.01 | *** join/#picogui gonkulator{nova} (~brandon@user-33qtvfm.dialup.mindspring.com) |
| 22:16.43 | gonkulator{nova} | ripping iso #1 |
| 22:17.08 | carpman | May Linus have mercy on my code... :) |
| 22:17.49 | gonkulator{nova} | crappers... I need to go get a hair cut |
| 22:18.13 | gonkulator{nova} | this isn't ripping fast enough..... |
| 22:18.56 | carpman | gonkulator{nova}: is this the upgrade, or the whole shebang? |
| 22:19.13 | gonkulator{nova} | whole #! |
| 22:19.21 | carpman | ok, cool :) |
| 22:20.27 | carpman | ohhh, carbon has built in xml-rpc |
| 22:20.47 | carpman | OSX native AoF client >:) |
| 22:23.07 | KeyserSoze | there's no #nfs on openprojects.net :( |
| 22:23.13 | carpman | I'm going for a walk, bbiab |
| 22:27.41 | *** join/#picogui aelfgar (~aelfgar@pcp01780306pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net) |
| 22:28.11 | aelfgar | my fonts are REALLY small |
| 22:28.16 | aelfgar | how do i tell picogui what font to load |
| 22:37.31 | *** join/#picogui file[laptop] (~lan@mctn1-1278.nb.aliant.net) |
| 22:39.57 | carpman | err |
| 22:39.58 | carpman | .back |
| 22:43.13 | carpman | scanline: is navi down? |
| 22:51.17 | gonkulator | hey carpman |
| 22:53.07 | carpman | hey gonkulator |
| 22:53.25 | gonkulator | carpman: did navi go down? |
| 22:53.47 | carpman | I think so. |
| 22:54.16 | gonkulator | let me go check on my file transfer |
| 22:54.19 | gonkulator | brb |
| 22:55.16 | carpman | oh, ok. so its just me :) |
| 22:55.20 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 22:55.21 | gonkulator | yeah |
| 22:55.22 | Xentac | must be ;o) |
| 22:55.31 | gonkulator | my iso is still on its way up (there are 3) |
| 22:56.01 | carpman | gah! Will this fit on sasami's 20? :) |
| 22:56.31 | *** join/#picogui file[laptop] (~lan@mctn1-3733.nb.aliant.net) |
| 22:57.28 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: i thought you had some chick to rub? |
| 22:57.47 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: I wish... she's doing her homework... only after she's done that... /if/ she's done that... then I can rub her... |
| 22:58.09 | KeyserSoze | you ought to play hard to get, chicks love that. |
| 22:58.10 | carpman | thats sounds... unsavory :. |
| 22:58.21 | KeyserSoze | say "well, maybe I can rub you later tonight. for $20" |
| 22:58.47 | KeyserSoze | $20 isn't "hard to get", is it? ask for $50 :D |
| 22:58.57 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: hehehe... nah... not this time... the main reason I want to rub her is so that she'll rub me... I've been majorly needing a massage lately.. |
| 23:00.17 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: they don't |
| 23:03.51 | KeyserSoze | i guess NFS being insecure isn't *so* bad, for what I'm going to use it for (just mp3 and divx storage) |
| 23:04.24 | file[laptop] | hahahahaha |
| 23:04.28 | Xentac | hehehe... you can combine nfs with other things (I don't know... ldap?) to make things more... authenicated... but yeah... |
| 23:04.32 | file[laptop] | my step-dad's travel bookings for car rental is screwed up |
| 23:04.33 | Xentac | it is clear text and all that |
| 23:04.39 | Xentac | look into sfs... |
| 23:04.42 | file[laptop] | they rented him a car across town, instead of in Newfoundland |
| 23:04.43 | file[laptop] | LOL |
| 23:04.46 | Xentac | anyway... I guess I'm going to go and read... ta ta |
| 23:07.10 | file[laptop] | gone 30 hours... amazing |
| 23:07.17 | Xentac | yup |
| 23:07.29 | Xentac | I was beating up little kids |
| 23:07.36 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 23:07.40 | KeyserSoze | for 30 hours? you must be tired? |
| 23:07.54 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: yeah... but that's the beauty of it... it's such fullfilling work! ;o) |
| 23:07.58 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: is there an ebuild for sfs? |
| 23:09.10 | Kidder | hey xentac i'm surching for stuff on the helio any good places?? |
| 23:09.38 | carpman | gonkulator: where on navi are you putting the isos, btw? |
| 23:09.57 | Kidder | does it have a spreadsheet program on it?? |
| 23:10.00 | gonkulator | carpman: my home directory |
| 23:10.06 | Xentac | what sort of info? |
| 23:10.14 | gonkulator | Kidder: we don't talk about the helio anymore in here |
| 23:10.24 | Xentac | read the message board on pdabuzz.com |
| 23:10.28 | Xentac | gonkulator: he wants to buy mine... |
| 23:10.35 | gonkulator | oooh |
| 23:10.40 | carpman | HELIO!?!?! |
| 23:10.43 | carpman | PICOLINUX?!?!?! |
| 23:10.46 | Kidder | hey sorry i'm a little behind |
| 23:10.53 | gonkulator | the helio is a really good PDA if you don't mind poor battery life |
| 23:11.16 | gonkulator | hi Soph{clean} |
| 23:11.23 | gonkulator | Soph{clean}: did you just get out of the shower? |
| 23:11.32 | carpman | gonkulator: you need all 3? |
| 23:11.35 | Sophie | you know it |
| 23:11.37 | Kidder | yeah i just need it for photo note when i'm out taking pictures |
| 23:11.41 | Sophie | now I'm dirty again |
| 23:11.42 | Sophie | :) |
| 23:11.50 | gonkulator | carpman: the first two are _required_ to install OS X |
| 23:11.57 | gonkulator | carpman: the last one is the developer tools |
| 23:12.01 | carpman | ah |
| 23:12.34 | Kidder | i don't want to spend lots on one that dose a bunch of stuff i don't need |
| 23:12.51 | Sophie | gonkey are you really working? |
| 23:13.10 | gonkulator | I just leave myself logged in at work |
| 23:13.26 | Sophie | ahh. I went to my chan and say that nick there |
| 23:13.31 | Xentac | hehehe... voice dialing... |
| 23:13.33 | Sophie | sorry |
| 23:13.40 | Sophie | s/say/saw |
| 23:13.41 | carpman | well, if I put 10.1 on, I can use 10.2 to upgrade it. |
| 23:13.51 | Xentac | for really really real |
| 23:14.07 | Kidder | bye |
| 23:14.15 | gonkulator | later kidder |
| 23:14.49 | carpman | Ah well, farewell gentoo. |
| 23:15.00 | KeyserSoze | carpman: what? |
| 23:15.03 | Sophie | ? |
| 23:15.06 | gonkulator | carpman: you can have both |
| 23:15.07 | KeyserSoze | you're getting rid of gentoo? |
| 23:15.16 | carpman | Only room for 1 os on sasami |
| 23:15.48 | carpman | if I split it, I have room for the OS, but not realy for any substantial ammount of data. |
| 23:16.01 | KeyserSoze | is sasami an ibook? |
| 23:16.04 | carpman | yeah |
| 23:16.47 | Xentac | http://www.vorbis.com/~emmett/beige.ogg |
| 23:16.47 | carpman | Alright. I'll do this the democratic way. |
| 23:16.55 | Xentac | mmmm... Beige with Noodles |
| 23:16.57 | KeyserSoze | Sophie: you need a domain name, too |
| 23:17.01 | carpman | Who in here thinks I should put 10.2 on? |
| 23:17.12 | gonkulator | carpman: keep linux |
| 23:17.17 | gonkulator | carpman: it is faster |
| 23:17.30 | KeyserSoze | carpman: keep gentoo! |
| 23:17.33 | gonkulator | carpman: if you really want 10.2, spend the 150 for a 40 gig hard drive |
| 23:17.58 | carpman | yes, it is. But there is the problem of finding linux ppc games that are interesting for more than 20 minutes. |
| 23:18.29 | KeyserSoze | carpman: how big is your hd? |
| 23:18.35 | carpman | KeyserSoze: 20gb |
| 23:19.15 | KeyserSoze | you can dual boot 20gb, can't you? give em each 7gb, and have a 7gb data partition for them to share |
| 23:19.32 | file[laptop] | KeyserSoze: your math is illiogical |
| 23:19.36 | file[laptop] | 7, 7, and 7 is 21 |
| 23:19.41 | file[laptop] | illogical |
| 23:19.41 | KeyserSoze | 7*3~20 |
| 23:19.46 | carpman | I dont want to dual boot. I wind up using one and not the other. |
| 23:20.17 | carpman | and OS X looks so cool. |
| 23:20.58 | carpman | alright, I'll keep linux |
| 23:21.07 | gonkulator | carpman: just keep an image of your gentoo drive if you really want to try it |
| 23:21.45 | carpman | nah. I've decided. |
| 23:21.51 | gonkulator | ok |
| 23:21.55 | file[laptop] | carpman: is that your final decision? |
| 23:22.02 | carpman | PicoBot: Ahem! |
| 23:22.03 | PicoBot | carpman: what? |
| 23:22.09 | carpman | oops, wrong bot |
| 23:22.11 | gonkulator | AoFBot: Ahem! |
| 23:22.12 | carpman | AoFBot: Ahem! |
| 23:22.15 | gonkulator | hehehe |
| 23:22.21 | *** join/#picogui root__ (~root@pcp01780306pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net) |
| 23:22.25 | KeyserSoze | AoFBot: ahem? |
| 23:22.26 | AoFBot | I don't know about thatKeyserSoze. |
| 23:22.33 | gonkulator | PicoBot: Ahem! is <reply> AoFBot: Ahem! |
| 23:22.33 | PicoBot | OK, gonkulator. |
| 23:22.36 | gonkulator | PicoBot: ahnkana |
| 23:22.36 | PicoBot | it has been said that ahnkana is scanline's roommate's girlfriend |
| 23:22.42 | gonkulator | PicoBot: Ahem! |
| 23:22.42 | PicoBot | AoFBot: Ahem! |
| 23:22.50 | gonkulator | carpman: pointer to AoFBot :) |
| 23:23.01 | carpman | hehe |
| 23:27.30 | NonToxic | bbiaf |
| 23:27.46 | NonToxic | AoFBot: 1 is <reply> Picobot: 2 |
| 23:27.47 | AoFBot | Ok, NonToxic. |
| 23:27.50 | NonToxic | AoFBot: 1 |
| 23:27.51 | AoFBot | Picobot: 2 |
| 23:27.51 | PicoBot | ibot: 3 |
| 23:27.52 | | PicoBot: 4 |
| 23:28.11 | NonToxic | PicoBot: 4 is <reply>AofBot: 1 |
| 23:28.12 | PicoBot | ...but 4 is <reply> ibot: two... |
| 23:28.20 | NonToxic | PicoBot: no, 4 is <reply>AofBot: 1 |
| 23:28.21 | PicoBot | ...but 4 is <reply> ibot: two... |
| 23:28.28 | NonToxic | Picobot, forget 4 |
| 23:28.29 | PicoBot | NonToxic: I forgot 4 |
| 23:28.31 | NonToxic | PicoBot: 4 is <reply>AofBot: 1 |
| 23:28.32 | PicoBot | OK, NonToxic. |
| 23:28.32 | gonkulator | NonToxic: this has been done... |
| 23:28.38 | NonToxic | AoFBot: 1 |
| 23:28.39 | AoFBot | Picobot: 2 |
| 23:28.39 | PicoBot | ibot: 3 |
| 23:28.40 | | PicoBot: 4 |
| 23:28.45 | NonToxic | ! |
| 23:28.47 | NonToxic | Antiflood?? |
| 23:28.48 | NonToxic | away |
| 23:28.58 | gonkulator | PicoBot: 4 |
| 23:28.58 | PicoBot | AofBot: 1 |
| 23:28.59 | AoFBot | Picobot: 2 |
| 23:28.59 | PicoBot | ibot: 3 |
| 23:28.59 | | PicoBot: 4 |
| 23:29.09 | gonkulator | NonToxic: PicoBot is smart |
| 23:39.16 | NonToxic | Last time I convinced it to flood |
| 23:39.32 | *** join/#picogui vegai (vegai@lorien.it.jyu.fi) |
| 23:39.41 | gonkulator | sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't |
| 23:39.43 | NonToxic | AoFBot: PicoRecurse is <reply> PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:39.44 | AoFBot | Ok, NonToxic. |
| 23:39.59 | NonToxic | PicoBot: AoFRecurse is <reply> AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:40.00 | PicoBot | OK, NonToxic. |
| 23:40.08 | gonkulator | PicoBot: recurse |
| 23:40.08 | PicoBot | ibot: recurse |
| 23:40.09 | | PicoBot: recurse |
| 23:40.42 | NonToxic | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:40.43 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:40.44 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:40.44 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:40.44 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:40.45 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:40.45 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:40.45 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:40.45 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:40.45 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:40.45 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:40.45 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:40.46 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:40.46 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:40.46 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:40.47 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:40.48 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:40.49 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:40.50 | NonToxic | Holy Sh... |
| 23:40.50 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:40.51 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:40.52 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:40.53 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:40.54 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:40.55 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:40.56 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:40.57 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:40.58 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:40.59 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:41.00 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:41.00 | gonkulator | that went fast for a bit |
| 23:41.01 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:41.02 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:41.03 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:41.04 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:41.05 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:41.07 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:41.07 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:41.07 | gonkulator | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.08 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:41.08 | gonkulator | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.09 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:41.10 | gonkulator | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.10 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:41.11 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:41.12 | gonkulator | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.12 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:41.13 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:41.14 | gonkulator | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.14 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:41.15 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:41.16 | gonkulator | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.16 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:41.17 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:41.18 | NonToxic | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.18 | gonkulator | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.18 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:41.19 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:41.20 | gonkulator | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.20 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:41.21 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:41.22 | gonkulator | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.22 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:41.23 | NonToxic | 42 |
| 23:41.23 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:41.24 | gonkulator | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.24 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:41.24 | NonToxic | 42 |
| 23:41.25 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:41.26 | NonToxic | 42 |
| 23:41.26 | gonkulator | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.26 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:41.27 | NonToxic | 42 |
| 23:41.28 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:41.28 | gonkulator | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.28 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:41.28 | NonToxic | 42 |
| 23:41.29 | carpman | AoFBot: forget PicoRecurse |
| 23:41.29 | AoFBot | PicoBot: AoFRecurse |
| 23:41.30 | NonToxic | 42 |
| 23:41.31 | gonkulator | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.31 | PicoBot | AoFBot: PicoRecurse |
| 23:41.31 | AoFBot | Ok, carpman. |
| 23:41.32 | gonkulator | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.33 | AoFBot | I don't know about thatPicoBot. |
| 23:41.34 | gonkulator | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.36 | carpman | enough |
| 23:41.36 | gonkulator | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.38 | NonToxic | 42 |
| 23:41.40 | gonkulator | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.41 | NonToxic | 42 |
| 23:41.48 | carpman | the joke was cool for a while, but its been done to death now. |
| 23:41.59 | NonToxic | Well that's gonna hit the "Most frequently used" list in the stats. |
| 23:42.13 | gonkulator | yeah |
| 23:43.02 | NonToxic | It was fun. |
| 23:44.15 | merlin262 | Good Morning Everyone. |
| 23:44.29 | *** join/#picogui aelfgar (~aelfgar@pcp01780306pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net) |
| 23:44.32 | gonkulator | hi merlin262 |
| 23:44.34 | file[laptop] | who wants read-only access to my ADSL modem???? |
| 23:44.49 | carpman | hey merlin262 |
| 23:44.59 | merlin262 | zup p33ps |
| 23:46.08 | merlin262 | blehhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 23:46.12 | merlin262 | I try, I try |
| 23:46.59 | KeyserSoze | s/leet/l334 |
| 23:47.08 | KeyserSoze | or, s/leet/1334 |
| 23:51.26 | carpman | merlin262: I was infected by some apple RDF. Almost installed OSX on sasami. |
| 23:53.12 | merlin262 | bad carpman! |
| 23:53.13 | merlin262 | bad! |
| 23:53.25 | gonkulator | its ok |
| 23:53.40 | KeyserSoze | what's an RDF? |
| 23:53.46 | carpman | Reality Distortion Field. |
| 23:53.47 | gonkulator | PicoBot: RDF? |
| 23:53.47 | PicoBot | i heard RDF was Reality Distortion Field or the mysterious substance that Steve Jobs' new artificial body is completely composed of |
| 23:53.54 | carpman | Kinda like an AT field |
| 23:54.07 | KeyserSoze | what's an AT field? |
| 23:54.07 | merlin262 | PicoBot: SEP |
| 23:54.07 | PicoBot | merlin262: i'm not following you... |
| 23:54.09 | carpman | Absolute Terror Field |
| 23:54.51 | merlin262 | PicoBot: SEP is <reply> SEP stands for "Someone Else's Problem". Generally in reference to an SEP field, or a method of making objects invisible. |
| 23:54.52 | PicoBot | OK, merlin262. |
| 23:54.55 | carpman | KeyserSoze: http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?lastnode_id=148857&node_id=93402 |
| 23:55.08 | merlin262 | damn! |
| 23:55.14 | merlin262 | CS homework due. :( |
| 23:55.21 | carpman | merlin262: tommorow? |
| 23:55.40 | file[laptop] | bah |
| 23:55.55 | merlin262 | carpman: yep. |
| 23:56.50 | file[laptop] | The Santa Clause is on |
| 23:56.54 | file[laptop] | and I finally understand the title more |
| 23:57.51 | KeyserSoze | carpman: you could have just said it was related to anime... |
| 23:58.06 | carpman | KeyserSoze: but that totaly glosses over what it IS :) |
| 23:58.21 | KeyserSoze | yes, but if it's related to anime, I don't care what it is :D |
| 23:58.45 | carpman | *GASP* |
| 23:59.02 | carpman | you don't like anime? |
| 23:59.27 | carpman | ACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:59.31 | file[laptop] | OK - Who stole my pen? |
| 23:59.38 | carpman | My ears did not hear this!!! |
| 23:59.49 | KeyserSoze | no, because i typed it |
| 23:59.57 | KeyserSoze | unless you speak aloud when you read IRC.... |
