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00:01.12captain_protonscanline: poke
00:05.00captain_protonscanline: evan here
00:05.10captain_protonu wanna eat now? at kitt?
00:05.17scanlinefine by me
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00:12.23gonk_hmm...
00:12.28gonk_it didn't finish my nick...
00:12.47gonk_and it didn't take that one at all
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00:13.15gonkulatorhmm...
00:13.21gonkulatorfreenode is having gas...
00:13.23file[laptop]mmm
00:18.32gonkulatorPicoBot: seen lurgyman
00:18.32PicoBotlurgyman was last seen on #picogui 7 hours, 19 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: the usual... mr potato head coulda just used this lecture instead of all the ones before it, it was pretty complete [Mon Feb 10 04:05:08 2003]
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00:25.13captain_proton=( =( =(
00:26.22scanlinecaptain_proton: whyso?
00:26.41captain_protonone of my magnets just broke in half :(
00:26.51scanline!
00:26.56scanlinethat's terrible!
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00:27.22captain_protonand the two halves are polarized opposite (of course) so i can't make it look like its just cracked
00:27.31SoopamanGnome2afternoon al
00:28.20SoopamanGnome2err all :P
00:29.27scanlineoh god...
00:29.30scanlinemichael just got back
00:29.33scanlineand he's really grumpy
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00:41.45gonkulatorscanline: bogon shield!
01:06.54gonkulatorscanline: I am not grumpy
01:07.01scanlinehmm?
01:07.03gonkulatoram I the only non-grumpy person in smelling distance
01:07.07scanlineheh
01:07.15gonkulatorwell, Michael and captain_proton are both grumpy :)
01:07.16scanlineI guess you have a better nose than I
01:07.28scanlineor did you decide to show up in boulder for no reason? :)
01:07.48gonkulatorsmelling distance was the only non-sequitor thing that I could come up with
01:07.51gonkulatornext time I'll do better :()
01:07.59scanlinehehe
01:08.01gonkulatorbut, I will come up to boulder unexpectedly very soon
01:08.08scanlinealrighty
01:14.56gonkulatorscanline: when is the next game-dev meeting?
01:15.02scanlinethis tuesday
01:15.07gonkulatorso tomorrow...
01:15.10scanlineyes
01:16.06gonkulatorand present it!
01:16.58scanlinehehe
01:17.09gonkulatorscanline: can I interview you?
01:17.16scanlineummm
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01:19.11ahnkanaother than what color shirt scanline is wearing today
01:19.26gonkulators/I/he/
01:19.33gonkulators/don't/doesn't/
01:19.35ahnkanalol
01:20.00gonkulatorit was a three boquet not falling down performance!~
01:20.15gonkulatorhow did it go? he asked.
01:20.20ahnkanadarth_mall where are you?
01:20.20gonkulator"She Rocked" he answered
01:20.49gonkulatorcaptain_proton: bout time :p
01:20.52ahnkanacaptain_proton was grumpy?
01:20.53gonkulatorhehehe
01:20.58gonkulatorahnkana: yeah, his magnet broke
01:21.05ahnkanaright
01:21.07ahnkanasaw that
01:21.21captain_protonyumm
01:21.22captain_protonfarrand take out
01:21.26ahnkanayuck
01:21.35ahnkanawe watch some funny stuff now?
01:21.47captain_protoncould do
01:21.54ahnkanacoo
01:22.06scanlinegonkulator: gray codes are useful
01:22.15gonkulatorscanline: I know they are useful
01:22.29gonkulatorscanline: what I am questioning is the usefulness of me listening to another lecture on them
01:22.41scanlineah, I see
01:25.22gonkulatorscanline: can I have an interview?
01:25.34scanlinewhy?
01:25.45gonkulatorfor my philosophy of game programming paper
01:25.49SoopamanGnome2heh
01:25.56scanlineI'm not really a game programmer
01:26.02SoopamanGnome2i want an exclusive interview too
01:26.06gonkulatorum...
01:26.35scanlinewell, I'm going to go follow jen
01:26.46gonkulatordamn
01:26.56gonkulatorOF DEATH!
01:27.21SoopamanGnome2gonk, do you want to help me debug my build script for compiling gcc 3.2?
01:27.24njsThe new logo reminds me of http://www.fresco.org/glyphs/f_t.png and http://wiki.fresco.org/KeeperOfTheLore
01:27.38gonkulatorSoopamanGnome2: not really, I am working on a geometry program right now
01:27.50SoopamanGnome2any takers?
01:27.52SoopamanGnome2:D
01:28.28gonkulatorSoopamanGnome2: no, he is already gone
01:29.26SoopamanGnome2heh
01:29.31SoopamanGnome2booo on yous
01:29.56gonkulatorwell, I am going home
01:30.10gonkulatorthis lecture is good, but old
01:30.21gonkulatorlater ahnkana
01:30.24gonkulatorlater captain_proton
01:30.26gonkulatorlater darth_mall
01:30.27gonkulatorlater file
01:30.31gonkulatorlater KeyserSoze
01:30.34gonkulatorlater lalo[out]
01:30.36gonkulatorlater Lorelei
01:30.38gonkulatorlater lurgyman
01:30.44gonkulatorlater PicoBot
01:30.46gonkulatorlater scanline
01:30.48gonkulatorlater Xentac
01:30.50KeyserSozebye gonkulator
01:36.17*** topic/#picogui by scanline -> http://picogui.org || If nobody here answers your question, try the pgui-devel mailing list || New web site under design at http://zope.picogui.org, send your opinions to lalo or scanline
01:40.17SoopamanGnome2scan, nice
01:40.29SoopamanGnome2the zope website
01:41.03SoopamanGnome2but it would be cooler if yo uused a color scheme different than the main zope scheme (maybe use the official picogui colors)
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04:00.00scanlineSoopamanGnome2: there are no official picogui colors
04:00.22scanlineSoopamanGnome2: lalo already made a color scheme based on the old web site, but I never liked the old colors
04:01.09Keyser[zzz]you should have an official picogui color scheme, but make it themeable so people can make it look different.
04:01.54njsscanline: btw, the kgi people are currently discussing (on the ML) how to let userspace talk to acceleration hardware; you guys might have an interest in poking them about the whole safe shared access problem...
04:02.33njs(aka, "How can picogui clients get themselves a GL-context-inna-box?")
04:14.50scanlinenjs: thanks, I'll check that out
04:15.17njscool
04:19.11njsHave you seen http://wiki.fresco.org/KeeperOfTheLore ?  The caption on the new logo sure reminded me of it :-)
05:22.33hikkehiya Xentac
05:22.41Xentachi hikke
05:22.49Xentacso... why the name hikke?
05:23.56Xentacholy crap...
05:24.07hikkeWell, you can get that from my real name by dropping one letter....
05:24.12XentacI have a "Large" knee brace thing for my leg...
05:24.15hikkeOr not
05:24.15Xentacand it's fairly tight...
05:24.42hikkeMoving one letter and dropping one
05:24.46Xentacit might actually be too tight
05:24.48Xentacah... alright...
05:24.53Xentacso it has no japanese ties?
05:24.57hikkeNope
05:25.13hikkeBut, I'm off to school (almost 8am here)
05:25.18Xentaccause when I first saw it I thought it was japanese
05:25.19Xentachehehe
05:25.20Xentacta ta
05:25.25hikkeheh
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05:38.32Soopaman_VS_GCCpico gui ya ya da da
06:50.21ahnkanawww.youdontknowwhoiam.org
06:50.37ahnkanamuah-ha-ha-ha
06:51.05ahnkanathis will become someone's homepage
06:51.10ahnkanamichael's i think
07:04.01ahnkanaheheh
07:04.01scanlinenjs: yep, I remember reading those :)
07:04.05scanlinenjs: quite clever :)
07:04.40captain_protonahnkana: oh dear
07:04.45ahnkanalol
07:05.23scanlinehey, it's a little puzzle-piece icon
07:05.43captain_protonscanline: i love those puzzle-piece web pages
07:05.54scanlinethey're getting so popular these days
07:10.02captain_protonare you really
07:10.12ahnkanaeventually
07:10.16Xentacthat's a question you can't answer yes to
07:10.25njsXentac: yes
07:10.33Xentacand not be lying!
07:10.45ahnkanaunless you can sleep type!
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07:16.46captain_protonwow.../. is almost entirely a place for people to repost stuff from osnews
07:17.07scanlineosnews has been boring lately
07:17.21ahnkanayou should make a posting that says "stuff from osnews and then post a link to my link
07:17.34scanlineIt's almost entirely about the VM wars, Apple, or BeOS
07:30.14captain_protonahnkana: oh yeah, that would get accepted
07:30.44captain_protonoohy
07:30.46captain_protondan had a great idea
07:31.17captain_protonchai nog, cheese and margarine
07:32.22scanline...
07:33.46captain_protoni described the birdy and the mouse to dan and he asked what i had been smoking
07:33.54scanlinehaha
07:34.13scanlinedan will never know what he missed
07:34.56scanlinehttp://us.imdb.com/Title?0245429 <-- says it's on DVD ;)
07:35.13scanlineah.. for release April 15, 2003
07:44.02njsSpirited Away is _wunnerful_
07:46.38scanlinequite a weird movie :)
07:46.42lurgymanyay! Tax day!
07:46.48lurgymanthat's a tuesday
07:46.49njsweird, but yummy :-)
07:46.59scanlinethough weird in a consistent way, not like Excel Saga ;)
07:47.15captain_protonexcel saga is just bizzare
07:47.17lurgymantax day = lurgyman's b-day + 2
07:48.20njsI still can't get over how haunting the images are.  I've never seen a movie that managed to make that kind of impression just through the visuals.  (Those train tracks!)
07:48.53captain_protongood train tracks :)
07:49.27captain_protonnjs: i dunno - pi did a great job of making a subway bench really creepy
07:50.41scanlineoooh.. you have to see pi
07:50.48captain_protonomg
07:50.49lurgymangoogle.com: 'Invisible condom' protects monkeys from AIDS
07:50.51captain_protonhasn't seen pi
07:52.06lurgymans/google.com/news.google.com/
07:54.58scanlinenjs: I could send you a copy of pi... you have to see it!
07:56.26scanlineThey had pi at the IFS?
07:56.38captain_protonscanline: yeah i told you about it
07:56.39captain_protonlast year
07:56.43scanlineoh, last year
07:56.47captain_protonyou decided to watch spaceballs in the quad instead
07:56.53lurgymanpah
07:57.04captain_protonhehe
08:01.53lurgymanqui est Lorelei?
08:02.45captain_protonits like being on holiday with a bunch of germans
08:07.55scanlinenjs: https://navi.picogui.org:3000/public.ac47/media/movies/pi.divx.avi
08:09.21njsheh, you have a lot of things I've been meaning to see in there
08:09.47njs(a .ogg movie?)
08:09.59scanlineyes
08:10.01captain_protonogg is just a container
08:10.03captain_protonlike avi
08:10.15scanlineogg format, divx video, ogg audio
08:10.22njscaptain_proton: I know
08:10.31njshuh, didn't know there were tools for that
08:10.42njshow is divx as a codec, anyway?
08:11.05scanlineit's decent.. give it enough bits and it looks good, like most codecs :)
08:11.34njshow about OSS support?
08:11.56scanlineFFmpeg and XviD are both good, and Free
08:12.12scanlinemplayer, mencoder, transcode, and xine all handle divx nicely
08:12.28njshmm
08:12.30captain_proton(i think he means the open sound system ;-)
08:12.41scanlineheh
08:13.47njsThis isn't really relevant, it's just that I'm part of a research project that's generating a lot of video data, that we need to manipulate, store, and archive, and quicktime is not really a good archival solution.
08:13.57captain_protonnjs: yes, it will use /dev/dsp
08:14.08njsno, I don't care about the open sound system :-P
08:14.23scanlinequicktime is a pain to work with using open source software
08:14.34captain_protonsome fancy-pants media players even use /dev/mixer
08:14.38scanlineif you want to write software that manipulates divx streams, libavifile is good
08:14.50njsyes.  and the common codecs are proprietary besides.
08:14.57captain_protonthe best option: convert to nuppelvideo ;-)
08:15.06njsPicoBot: lart captain_proton
08:15.08PicoBotnjs: i'm not following you...
08:15.15njsbah
08:15.19scanlineDad still hasn't worked out how we got it so cheap. It's worth almost as much today as when we bought it.
08:15.34scanlineHe reckons power lines are a symbol of man's ability to generate electricity
08:15.50scanlinenjs: you need to watch The Castle too :)
08:15.59scanline~lart unlartful bots
08:16.29captain_protonyay for cashews
08:16.34captain_protondan doesn't like them (!!!)
08:16.41scanlinecrazy, eh?
08:17.08njsUnfortunately, I suspect we're stuck with the quicktime container format for now, since the only working player that we've found is made by Apple.  But I'll have to play around with codecs more...
08:17.34scanlinemplayer and xine both work, and I know at least mplayer is cross-platform
08:17.56scanlinethere's also the player bundled with libavifile, videolan client, gstreamer...
08:17.57njswell, "working" for us includes "supports frame by frame with sound", is the thing.
08:18.47scanlinecaptain_proton: I was freaked out when I found out that the Pi and Requiem sound tracks were both by the same person.. all through out watching Requiem for the first time I was thinking about Pi...
08:19.05captain_protonscanline: uh
08:19.09captain_protonthe soundtracks aren't the same
08:19.27scanlinethey're by the same person
08:19.33captain_protonRfaD is all by clint mansell, and while he has a couple songs on pi, most of pi is by random groups
08:20.05captain_protonprobably the reason you were thinking about pi was because its the same director (aronovsky)
08:20.17captain_protonRfaD is the kind of movie he makes when he has money :P
08:20.20njsincidentally, anyone know a good way to share a DVD drive between machines?  Is NFS over 10baseT up to the bandwidth, for instance?
08:20.55scanlinecaptain_proton: in the opening credits for Pi: "original score: Clint Mansell"
08:21.21scanlinenjs: no.. for a DVD drive you'll want 100baseT or gigabit
08:21.38scanlinenjs: and you can't do the decryption ioctls over NFS AFAIK
08:21.45njsscanline: sigh.
08:22.05scanlineyou should look into videolan
08:22.17captain_protonscanline: dan is getting scared by the random boards of canada songs mandolin is selecting :)
08:22.55njsI did, but 1) it crashes whenever it tries to read my DVD drive (?!?), and 2) it only seems to support streaming, and I need random positioning
08:23.03scanlineah
08:34.46njsincidentally, I believe "original score" often means "And this is the guy we got to do all the generic background music we needed to fill in the parts where we weren't using something else"
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08:51.51captain_protonnjs: perhaps, though i can think of a good number of movies where the music played an integral part in the storytelling
08:52.13njsyes, I probably put more of a negative spin on that then I intended
08:53.03njsBut it does feel like a common pattern that movie soundtracks are a bunch of random stuff they either commissioned (usually the theme song) or got off the shelf, plus a bunch of stuff written by one particular person to fit exactly those scenes in which it is used.
08:54.26captain_protontrue
08:55.43captain_protonhm
08:58.18captain_protondo we want to hack up something tomorrow?
08:59.29scanlinewould you work on anything? :)
08:59.45captain_protonyeah probably
09:39.43scanlinewahoo!
09:39.45scanlineI got paid!
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15:00.17bigthorhi
15:00.20Pietehi
15:01.48Pietebigthor: you'll love it ;)
15:01.59Pietebigthor: I've been using it for 3 weeks or so now
15:02.24bigthori'll tell you
15:02.47Pieteheh ;)
15:03.08bigthori'm really tired of been **** by redhat 7.0
15:03.35PieteRH in general is a little crappy, at least, thats how I experience it
15:04.00bigthorbut i've got to develop over it (for work)
15:04.06bigthorlittle? TOTALLY
15:04.38bigthori've got passed virus, intruders, compiler segfaults, etc, etc...
15:04.50Pietethat sucks :/ ah well, it least its not windows
15:04.56bigthorso i'll try gentoo, running redhat over UML
15:05.37bigthorwhat has windows to do with all that? i'm talking about operating systems!
15:05.43bigthor:p
15:05.47bigthor;)
15:05.47Pietelol
15:05.59Pieteoh yea, OSes, not viruses :)
15:07.05bigthorof course
15:11.10Pietewb Xentac
15:11.35Xentacthanks Piete
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15:21.49Pieteyo prpplague
15:22.11prpplaguelo
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16:16.12ahnkanacaptain_proton, are you pondering what i am pondering?
16:16.20captain_protonyep
16:16.28ahnkanalol
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16:17.54ahnkanadarth_mall: i am scared of physics....
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16:20.18ahnkanaopps
16:20.31ahnkanas/reieraes/reiterates
16:21.41darth_iBookahnkana: don't be scared of fizix, you can do it
16:21.47darth_iBooku am in phys2?
16:22.03ahnkanaya
16:22.13darth_iBookI'd help if i could
16:22.35ahnkanafixxix is scary
16:23.02darth_iBookif it makes you feel any better I'm having some trouble w/ my computer
16:24.06ahnkanawhat trouble
16:24.41darth_iBookeverytime I switch to a virtual terminal not running X and then switch back to the one running X it screws up the display
16:25.10ahnkaname am not the person to ask how to fix that...but you knew that
16:27.07*** join/#picogui darth_mall (~silme@12-253-83-21.client.attbi.com)
16:27.24darth_iBookI know, /me is just bitching a little
16:27.53ahnkanaha!
16:27.58ahnkanaPicoBot: ahnkana
16:27.59PicoBotyou are probably just this girl, you know...
16:28.06ahnkanahehe
16:28.09ahnkanaoh yea!
16:28.11ahnkanaWOD
16:28.33darth_mallahnkana: did gonkulator say he was coming for a visit today?
16:28.45ahnkanano why?
16:29.40ahnkanathat would be cool
16:29.42ahnkanabut i doubt it
16:30.13darth_mallw00t for 2 compus
16:31.32darth_mallwell, I'd best be off to campus
16:31.41darth_mallmaybe I'll swing by and say 'hi', ahnkana
16:31.43darth_malllater
16:33.24ahnkanaPicoBot: word of the day
16:33.25PicoBotahnkana's word of the day is: SPURIOUS *SPYUR-ee-uhs*, adjective:   1.  Not  proceeding  from  the  true  or claimed  source; not  genuine; false.    2. Of illegitimate birth.
16:51.10*** join/#picogui darth_iBook (~evanshee@stad235-182-dhcp.Colorado.EDU)
16:52.19ahnkanahttp://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=12&uid=904355&gid=1652603
16:52.42ahnkanathis site is not evil
16:52.47ahnkanait's about the shuttle
16:53.12darth_iBookoh
16:56.54darth_iBookahnkana: tis pretty neat
16:57.15ahnkanadarth_iBook: have you time to eat?
16:57.15darth_iBookbut pretty scary too
16:57.23ahnkanaavant onze heures?
16:57.27ahnkanadarn
16:57.28ahnkanak
16:57.41darth_iBookat 11, possibly
16:57.58ahnkanaje une classe
16:58.02ahnkanaphysics
16:58.04ahnkanayuck
16:58.06darth_iBookyeah, I can eat at 11 if you like
16:58.07ahnkanagrr
16:58.15ahnkanano, i have class at 11
16:58.19darth_iBookoh
16:58.20darth_iBooknm
16:58.24ahnkanai can eat at 12
16:58.33ahnkanaclass at noon and a half o'clock
16:58.37darth_iBookwould you like me to stick around until then?
16:58.52darth_iBookI'm not eating dinner on campus tonight, cuz my test doesn't get out til 6:30
16:59.07darth_iBookso I'm going home, and I have an extra meal
16:59.13ahnkanahmm
16:59.18ahnkanamy test is at 7
16:59.27ahnkanaeeeekkkkk
16:59.44ahnkanaje ne suis prest
16:59.46ahnkanaopps
16:59.51ahnkanaje ne suis pas prest
17:00.06darth_iBookwould you like me to have lunch w/ u?
17:00.06darth_iBookI can wait til noon
17:00.06darth_iBooknot a problem
17:00.06darth_iBookjust hike over to ECCR and chill w/ my laptop
17:00.20ahnkanahang out with your laptop?
17:00.33darth_iBookok
17:00.38ahnkanai am confused
17:07.56darth_iBookI can amuse myself w/ my laptop until you are out of class
17:07.56darth_iBookthen we will eat
17:07.56darth_iBookk?
17:07.57darth_iBookwhich is good, cuz I didn't feel like cookin lunch
17:08.11darth_iBookmmmmmmmm... calculus
17:10.15darth_iBookmmmmmmmm... pi... now I'm hungry ;)
17:28.19*** join/#picogui bigthor (~bigthor@80.Red-80-32-133.pooles.rima-tde.net)
17:28.26bigthorhi, gain
17:35.42*** join/#picogui gonkulator (~brandon@plasma.client.mscd.edu)
17:37.00gonkulatorPicoBot: seen scanline
17:37.00PicoBotscanline was last seen on #picogui 7 hours, 2 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying: performs a controlled faceplant toward his sleeping surface [Mon Feb 10 21:41:16 2003]
17:37.10gonkulatorPicoBot: seen darth_iBook
17:37.11PicoBotdarth_iBook was last seen on #picogui 26 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: mmmmmmmm... pi... now I'm hungry ;) [Tue Feb 11 04:16:48 2003]
17:37.20gonkulatorPicoBot: seen darth_mall
17:37.20PicoBotdarth_mall was last seen on #picogui 1 hours, 5 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying: is away: on campus [Tue Feb 11 03:38:23 2003]
17:37.35gonkulatorPicoBot: seen lurgyman
17:37.35PicoBotlurgyman was last seen on #picogui 1 hours, 51 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: awakens and goes to class [Tue Feb 11 02:52:16 2003]
17:37.41gonkulatorPicoBot: seen Lorelei|ZzZz
17:37.41PicoBotLorelei|ZzZz was last seen on #picogui 9 hours, 39 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: pokes scanline and runs away to bed [Mon Feb 10 19:05:02 2003]
17:37.48gonkulatorPicoBot: seen merlin262
17:37.48PicoBotmerlin262 was last seen on #picogui 1 days, 1 hours, 32 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying: no [Mon Feb 10 03:11:47 2003]
17:37.51gonkulatorPicoBot: slashdot
17:37.52PicoBotI can't find the headlines.
17:48.30*** join/#picogui evanshee__ (~evanshee@stad235-182-dhcp.Colorado.EDU)
17:49.36darth_iBookahnkana: you there?
18:07.05*** join/#picogui darth_iBook (~evanshee@ec237-31-dhcp.Colorado.EDU)
18:07.13darth_iBookthere
18:14.38darth_iBookhow was class?
18:14.48Direwas okay
18:14.56DireWe didn't really do anything heh
18:15.03darth_iBookwhat class?
18:15.15Direcorrections class
18:15.19darth_iBookah
18:15.43Direwe get to tour a maximum security prison early next month.. yipee
18:15.46Direheh
18:15.56darth_iBookheh, don't get knifed
18:15.57darth_iBook;)
18:16.21DireI'll TRY my best.
18:16.32darth_iBookDire: what are your plans for after school? going into law enforcement?
18:16.38Direnope
18:16.46Direairforce
18:16.47lalohi darth_iBook
18:16.51darth_iBookhey lalo
18:16.54darth_iBookDire: cool
18:17.14darth_iBooklalo: super minor point: I was checking out the new website, way cool, noticed a tiny typo, in case you care
18:17.44darth_iBookdunno if guys care all that much, just thought I'd let you know
18:17.52laloI care
18:18.20darth_iBookunder the "Consistency" head presentation is spelled presetnation
18:18.40darth_iBookatleast, I think it's supposed to be presentation
18:18.51darth_iBookotherwise my computer ignorance is showing again ;)
18:20.34darth_iBookI really like the new site
18:20.40darth_iBook*very* classy
18:20.48lalothanks
18:21.03darth_iBookwas it your doing, or scanline's or a joint thing?
18:21.05lalowe're not very happy with the color scheme, we're considering to throw it away entirely
18:21.23darth_iBookreally? I kinda liked it
18:21.27darth_iBookmakes it really easy to read
18:21.55laloit's mostly my doing based on the current picogui.org which is scanline's
18:22.01darth_iBookright
18:22.13laloheh, scanline doesn't think too high of the orange links on light blue
18:22.29lalobut it's a hard problem, few colors look good on light blue
18:23.16darth_iBookI wonder if chimera is choosing it's own colors
18:24.00darth_iBookhmmm, doesn't look like it
18:25.13darth_iBookhmmm, still no orange
18:25.35laloorange is the links
18:25.58darth_iBookthey look light blue to me
18:27.42Direoff to work!  
18:27.49darth_iBooklater
18:28.03darth_iBooklalo: they looked kinda greenish in Internet Explorer
18:43.54darth_iBookheh
18:45.45laloah
18:45.54laloyou're talking about the current color scheme
18:46.02laloscanline reverted it to the plone default
18:46.24lalowhich, I will agree, is very good.
18:46.40darth_iBookoh, ko
18:46.44darth_iBooks/ko/ok/
18:47.00laloactually not here default, he changed the lower-half background to a light green, but that looks like all
18:47.39darth_iBookheh, he really didn't like the orange I guess
18:48.01lalonot the orange
18:48.10lalothe background colors were really bad
18:48.17lalowhere is that typo again?
18:48.17darth_iBook^_^
18:48.25darth_iBook1 sec
18:48.31*** join/#picogui carpman{mayuka} (~djackson@dsl081-122-066.dfw1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
18:48.41carpman{mayuka}hey all
18:48.51darth_iBookunder "consistency" presentation is spelled 'presetnation'
18:49.02darth_iBookjust switch the first 't' w/ the 'n'
18:49.50darth_iBookheh
18:50.26carpman{mayuka}sucky gfx board, but awesome CPY
18:50.30carpman{mayuka}s/Y/U
18:52.12carpman{mayuka}PicoBot: seen scanline
18:52.12PicoBotscanline was last seen on #picogui 8 hours, 17 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying: performs a controlled faceplant toward his sleeping surface [Mon Feb 10 21:41:16 2003]
18:52.19lalothanks, fixed.
18:52.24carpman{mayuka}hi lalo
18:52.29lalohi carpman
18:53.20lalocarpman{mayuka}: we need you to create an account at the new picogui.org ( http://zope.picogui.org/ ) site so that we can give you ownership of the newsitems/screenshots you posted
18:55.18ahnkanacaptain_proton: food
18:55.49darth_iBookahnkana: quit spamming me!
18:55.50ahnkanalurgyman: food
18:56.04ahnkanadarth_iBook: i am not spamming you
18:56.17darth_iBookyou flooded my IM window and it confuzzed my computer
18:56.18ahnkanagrrr
18:56.23carpman{mayuka}ahnkana: food?
18:56.23ahnkanano i didn't
18:56.23darth_iBookor else, my computer was already confuzzed
18:56.31ahnkanathe latter
18:56.32darth_iBookoh, then my computer was just confuzzed
18:56.33ahnkanaok foood
18:56.37ahnkananow
18:56.40ahnkanaLorelei: food
18:56.44darth_iBookI just had a breakfast burrito
18:57.20darth_iBookahnkana: where am you goin?
18:58.16carpman{mayuka}PicoBot: seen merlin262
18:58.17PicoBotmerlin262 was last seen on #picogui 1 days, 2 hours, 53 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: no [Mon Feb 10 03:11:47 2003]
18:58.21carpman{mayuka}PicoBot: seen gonk{work}
18:58.22PicoBotgonk{work} was last seen on #picogui 18 hours, 59 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying: is away: class time [Mon Feb 10 11:05:30 2003]
18:58.28carpman{mayuka}PicoBot: seen file
18:58.28PicoBotfile was last seen on #picogui 23 hours, 8 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: my Intel manuals weigh 7.75lbs [Mon Feb 10 06:56:50 2003]
19:47.44*** join/#picogui ahnkana_ (~Gnu@aden2-135-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU)
19:48.46captain_protondoobeedoo
19:54.49*** join/#picogui file[laptop] (lan@mctn1-5762.nb.aliant.net)
20:00.36gonk{work}hey carpman{mayuka}
20:02.59file[laptop]hi
20:03.20file[laptop]my mobos, CPU, RAM, and hardrive were shipped today
20:04.13gonk{work}cool
20:06.14captain_protonmy PICs were shipped today
20:06.14captain_proton:)
20:06.23hardwirelondin?
20:06.27hardwirelondon
20:06.28hardwireheh
20:06.28hardwireblah
20:06.30hardwiregrr!
20:06.39hardwireheeey graphics gurus... got a brain to pick?
20:07.26captain_protonLeft FedEx Ramp/BANGKOK TH  02/11/2003 21:41
20:07.45hardwireTH?
20:07.45file[laptop]wow
20:07.48file[laptop]Taiwain?
20:07.52captain_protonthailand
20:07.58file[laptop]aha - I was close
20:08.20hardwirebah.. I always get kong and kok mixed up
20:08.21captain_protonnot really - taiwan doesn't have an H
20:08.39file[laptop]captain_proton: Taiwain Heights!
20:08.46file[laptop]Taiwan.
20:09.38gonk{work}mIRC sucks again
20:09.47darth_mallhi gonk{work}
20:09.48gonk{work}hey darth_mall
20:12.56file[laptop]captain_proton: I bet that cost a pretty penny to ship
20:13.27captain_protonfile[laptop]: i dunno - free
20:13.30gonk{work}captain_proton: put "celloist extrordaniar" down
20:14.21file[laptop]captain_proton: nifty
20:14.38file[laptop]captain_proton: I probably cost Intel a few bucks :) they shipped 7.75lbs International Priority via Fedex
20:16.08file[laptop]captain_proton: this is helping me learn about the Intel architecture!
20:16.16file[laptop]I've already looked at the stuff on Hyperthreading, neat technology
20:16.21captain_protonpffff
20:16.51captain_protonfile[laptop]: you didn't have to put in a hardcopy request for it
20:17.21file[laptop]:)
20:17.25captain_protonintel has all their documentation for download in pdf form
20:20.06file[laptop]uh huh
20:20.09file[laptop]enough said
20:20.12file[laptop]captain_proton: how are you?
20:20.47darth_mallcaptain_proton: to others? or to yourself ;)
20:20.47file[laptop]not happy?
20:20.56captain_protondarth_mall: =)
20:22.43file[laptop]argh
20:22.49file[laptop]my head hurts...
20:23.24captain_protonthere is a distinct lack of liquid refreshment in this room
20:23.34file[laptop]captain_proton: seek another room
20:23.57darth_mall^_^
20:27.20gonk{work}lurgyman: I am eatting some TURKEY JERKY
20:27.30captain_protonlurgyman is absent
20:27.52gonk{work}captain_proton: ok
20:30.55captain_protonhm
20:31.08captain_protonthese chippies shipped today and the estimated delivery date is friday
20:32.43gonk{work}what sort of chippies?
20:32.56captain_protonUSB PICs
20:33.00gonk{work}ooooh
20:35.09file[laptop]who wants pizza!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20:35.41gonk{work}you
20:35.52file[laptop]not yet
20:40.55scanlinecaptain_proton: maybe this weekend would be a good time for me to retrieve all my electronics tools
20:40.57carpman{mayuka}file[laptop]: be careful, the Dell kid was arested for pot smoking, they are coming for you next.
20:41.14file[laptop]Estimated delivery date for file's new mobo, CPU, RAM, and HD: Monday.
20:41.36carpman{mayuka}Monday July 26, 3022?
20:41.48file[laptop]this is UPS :)
20:41.55carpman{mayuka}oh, 5022 then.
20:41.58file[laptop]ha
20:42.56*** join/#picogui darth_iBook (~evanshee@12-253-83-21.client.attbi.com)
20:43.33file[laptop]carpman{mayuka}: why?
20:44.07carpman{mayuka}My old boss went nuts. He is threating to file a theft report on all that stuff. Its all stuff he gave me when we closed down the company.
20:44.16file[laptop]oh my
20:45.13carpman{mayuka}If it were just my stuff, I woulnd't be so upset, but I gave that machine to Glitch.
20:45.50file[laptop]ic
20:45.51carpman{mayuka}Must... Resist... Urge... to... flood... with... multiple... OC3
20:46.46file[laptop]oh my
20:47.10carpman{mayuka}muhahahaha... the p0wer!!!
20:48.11file[laptop]TD[food]: good idea
20:49.01gonk{work}hi carpman{mayuka}
20:49.07carpman{mayuka}hey gonk{work}
20:49.12gonk{work}whats up?
20:49.23gonk{work}other than the returning hardware stuff that I can see is going on
20:49.26carpman{mayuka}gonk{work}: not much. Work, threats of arrest, the usual
20:49.44gonk{work}eeeh...
20:50.05carpman{mayuka}PicoBot: explode
20:50.05PicoBotcarpman{mayuka}: excuse me?
20:50.09carpman{mayuka}PicoBot: explode
20:50.09PicoBotcarpman{mayuka}: what?
20:50.12carpman{mayuka}...
20:50.15gonk{work}PicoBot: explode twice
20:50.16PicoBotgonk{work}: what?
20:50.16carpman{mayuka}PicoBot: explode twice
20:50.17PicoBotcarpman{mayuka}: excuse me?
20:50.21carpman{mayuka}PicoBot: explode thrice
20:50.21gonk{work}PicoBot: explode three times
20:50.21PicoBotcarpman{mayuka}: sorry...
20:50.22PicoBotgonk{work}: what?
20:50.25file[laptop]PicoBot: status
20:50.25PicoBotSince Mon Feb 10 10:08:13 2003, there have been 7 modifications and 16 questions.  I have been awake for 21 hours, 48 minutes, 46 seconds this session, and currently reference 5336 factoids. Addressing is in require mode.
20:50.44carpman{mayuka}PicoBot: detonate file
20:50.44PicoBotcarpman{mayuka}: excuse me?
20:50.48carpman{mayuka}....!!!!
20:51.31file[laptop]gonk{work}: clarify
20:51.44gonk{work}did you ask PicoBot to forget those things?
20:51.47carpman{mayuka}PicoBot: carpman
20:51.47PicoBotcarpman{mayuka}: excuse me?
20:51.49file[laptop]gonk{work}: nope
20:51.54carpman{mayuka}PicoBot: scanline
20:51.54PicoBotcarpman{mayuka}: excuse me?
20:52.00carpman{mayuka}PicoBot has no memory
20:52.01PicoBotcarpman{mayuka}: what?
20:52.06carpman{mayuka}PicoBot: shaddup
20:52.06file[laptop]PicoBot: PicoBot?
20:52.07PicoBotcarpman{mayuka}: i'm not following you...
20:52.07PicoBoti haven't a clue, file[laptop]
20:52.17*** join/#picogui PicoBot (~PicoBot@ivan.client.mscd.edu)
20:52.20file[laptop]he forgot himself, how ironic
20:52.21carpman{mayuka}PicoBot: scanline
20:52.22PicoBotrumour has it scanline is at https://navi.picogui.org:3000/~micah/images/lanparty/micah_2002july13/im000545.jpg or in need of a shave
20:52.23scanlinewhy do we need picobot when we have ibot here too?
20:52.25file[laptop]PicoBot: explode
20:52.27carpman{mayuka}PicoBot: detonate file
20:52.29file[laptop]there we go
20:52.36file[laptop]mmm
20:52.37PicoBotcarpman{mayuka}: huh?
20:52.45carpman{mayuka}scanline: because
20:53.21gonk{work}PicoBot: seen ibot
20:53.21PicoBotI haven't seen 'ibot', gonk{work}
20:53.26gonk{work}ibot: say hi
20:53.26hello
20:53.32gonk{work}PicoBot: seen ibot
20:53.32PicoBotibot was last seen on #picogui 5 seconds ago, saying: hello [Tue Feb 11 08:00:01 2003]
20:53.33PicoBot: You are moron #4
20:53.34PicoBot...but picobot is moron #6 or gonk{work}'s bot now...
20:53.42gonk{work}:)
20:54.00carpman{mayuka}ibot was last seen on #picogui 10 seconds ago
20:54.01carpman{mayuka}: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?
20:54.13carpman{mayuka}ibot: I want to be moron #5, damnit!
20:54.14carpman{mayuka}: I wish you would RTFM.
20:54.15scanlinecarpman{mayuka}: it's a length limit...
20:54.20gonk{work}carpman{mayuka}: you have to excede 64 characters
20:54.33carpman{mayuka}ibot: blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
20:54.33You are moron #5, carpman{mayuka}
20:54.33file[laptop]ibot: hi
20:54.33bonjour, file[laptop]
20:54.37carpman{mayuka}w00t!
20:54.38gonk{work}666
20:54.44file[laptop]ibot: bonjour
20:54.48extra, extra, read all about it, bonjour is Nice weather were having
20:56.31carpman{mayuka}ibot: rot13 sponge
20:56.31fcbatr
20:56.41carpman{mayuka}ibot: rot13 blehhhhhhhhhh
20:56.41oyruuuuuuuuuu
20:57.23carpman{mayuka}x en fr blehhhhhhhhhhh
20:57.31carpman{mayuka}err
20:57.37carpman{mayuka}ibot: x en fr blehhhhhhhhhhh
20:57.55carpman{mayuka}ibot: x en fr file is a cheese omlette, with much ham.
20:58.01file[laptop]pizza pizza
20:58.18carpman{mayuka}ibot: x fr en le dossier est un omlette de fromage, avec du beaucoup du jambon.
20:58.51carpman{mayuka}ibot: x en de Carpman detonates file.
20:59.13carpman{mayuka}ibot: x de en Carpman bringt Akte zur Detonation
20:59.30carpman{mayuka}file[laptop]: you are document
21:05.28*** join/#picogui lalo (~lalo@200.203.12.232)
21:21.30carpman{mayuka}w000000000000t! I get to keep my hardware! Glitch gets to keep ZIM!
21:21.48file[laptop]carpman{mayuka}: how did you do it?
21:22.45carpman{mayuka}file[laptop]: I e-mailed and asked if I could keep the hardware, and he e-mailed back and said yes. The e-mail is now proof that the hardware is mine.
21:22.55file[laptop]sweet
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21:23.23file[laptop]hi darth_iBook
21:23.25file[laptop]er darth_mall
21:24.55gonk{work}wb darth_mall
21:26.21darth_mallhi all
21:27.40file[laptop]gonk{work}: I was singing that in my Biology class today
21:27.42gonk{work}hi :)
21:27.47file[laptop]my partner started to look at me funny
21:28.07scanlinefile[laptop]: stop doing acid
21:28.15file[laptop]scanline: LOL
21:28.31darth_mallw00t for emerge!
21:28.32gonk{work}file[laptop]: you don't get the full funniness of that joke
21:28.43file[laptop]gonk{work}: quite right
21:29.11gonk{work}file[laptop]: there is about 3 astronomy questions worth of backstory you don't have on that one
21:29.13gonk{work}number 2
21:29.58file[laptop]uh huh
21:30.56gonk{work}scanline: one of my co-workers actually likes some of it too
21:31.09scanlineoh what?
21:31.12scanlines/oh/of/
21:31.28gonk{work}coding to music
21:31.31scanlinescary
21:31.35gonk{work}yeah
21:31.39gonk{work}he is russian!
21:32.42carpman{mayuka}ibot: x en ru Coding to Music
21:33.03carpman{mayuka}wow, things take a long time to say in russian
21:33.37gonk{work}carpman{mayuka}: yeah, I give Ilya a hard time about it every chance I get
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22:16.35captain_protonibot x fr en Le boeuf sur le toit
22:18.01carpman{mayuka}ibot: x en fr My world is an explosion of ham and cheese
22:18.22carpman{mayuka}ibot: x fr de Mon monde est une explosion de jambon et de fromage
22:18.37carpman{mayuka}ibot: x de en Meine Welt ist eine Schinken- und Kseexplosion
22:20.34darth_malllol
22:20.56carpman{mayuka}ibot: x en fr I smoke cheese
22:23.40darth_malllol
22:23.44darth_mallcarpman{mayuka}: bored?
22:24.05carpman{mayuka}darth_mall: not realy, just been working alot on code, trying to keep my brain from seizing up :)
22:25.59scanlinehmm.. $11 wire transfer fee
22:26.29file[laptop]scanline: what???
22:27.04darth_mallcaptain_proton: we fixed the virtual terminal problem I was having
22:27.13darth_malljust had to turn of the framebuffering in the console
22:28.27darth_malland tea
22:28.28darth_mallbrb
22:31.25darth_mallI wonder what happened to gonk{work}
22:31.47file[laptop]gone... to work!
22:31.59captain_protonits a shame amazon was the only ones who had it
22:32.17captain_protonif i had used bn i could have gotten a good discount
22:41.54laloscanline: hya!
22:42.01lalonice color scheme you have there :-)
22:42.41scanline:)
22:42.47scanlineI'm currently trying to get a screenshot box working
22:42.53scanlinehttp://zope.picogui.org/sandbox
22:43.02scanlinefinally figured out slots :)
22:43.19laloyou could have asked me ;-)
22:43.28scanlineI didn't think you were here :)
22:43.39lalobeen working a lot these days
22:44.00laloare you doing a real, normal plone box, or are you trying to stick them in the header?
22:44.09scanlinedoing a normal plone box
22:44.21scanlineWith the new logo, I think the header looks alright as-is
22:44.31scanlinescreenshots there would just clutter it up
22:44.54scanlineMaybe we could have news on the left side and screenshots on the right, but only on the home page?
22:45.05scanlineno reason to have news and screenshots on every single page
22:46.19lalothat's a bit hard to do.
22:46.50scanlinecould I use tal:condition to hide the box unless it's the home page?
22:47.07laloyes
22:47.43lalotal:condition="python:here.absolute_url() != here.portal_url()" I think would work
22:47.50scanlineit would be nice if you could set the left_slots and right_slots properties for a directory without it affecting subdirectories
22:48.38laloyou can't, but the other way around is possible, you could set a slot that only appears from Members/ down
22:49.08scanlineI did that with the /sandbox directory so I could play with the slots without messing up the main page
22:50.06scanlineIs there any documentation for the portal_catalog?
22:50.14lalolots
22:50.22scanlineguess I've just been missing it then
22:50.35laloit's a slighty modified ZCatalog, and ZCatalog is one of the few things in Zope that has good documentation
22:50.40captain_protonhm
22:50.43captain_protonmore free pizza tonight
22:50.44scanlineok
22:50.48scanlinecaptain_proton: ah!
22:51.35laloI have set one of galeon's parameterized bookmark thingies to zope.org :-P
22:51.58lalosmart url: http://www.zope.org/SiteIndex/search?text_content=%s&meta_type%3Alist=BackTalk+Document&meta_type%3Alist=News+Item&meta_type%3Alist=Product+Release&meta_type%3Alist=Software+Product&sort_on=date&sort_order=reverse
22:52.12laloyou might find it useful.
22:53.48scanlinethanks
22:56.55scanlinedot and cross products are fun, as long as you don't have to do them by hand
22:57.04darth_mallscanline: what time were you planning on eating tonight?
22:57.10darth_malland also, what do you mean by hand?
22:57.10scanlinewhen I'm hungry?
22:57.14lalowoot, rhythmbox runs
22:57.17darth_malllol
22:58.42scanlinehmm
22:58.50scanlineI can't use dir() or __dict__ inside tal?
23:00.45lalono
23:00.56lalotal runs a restricted python environment
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23:11.06laloCMFPhoto is hairy.
23:11.49scanlinewell, I thought I had a CMFPhoto object.. apparently I have a "mybrains" object
23:11.57laloyes.
23:12.11lalomybrains is a packing of metadata stored in a table by the catalog
23:12.27scanlineah
23:12.34laloit is returned instead of the object itself because it's faster
23:13.09scanlinehow can I access the object itself?
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23:13.33lalocalling it's getObj() (or is it getObject()?) method
23:13.34Namapooshello
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23:13.53scanlineI think I want to gall its tag() function to have it return a <img> tag for the thumbnail
23:14.00laloin zpt I usually do something like <div tal:define="obj result/getObject">...</div>
23:14.02scanlineNamapoos: hello
23:14.09Namapooswhat is up/new?
23:14.39Namapooscool
23:14.43scanlines/climbinb/climbing/
23:14.51Namapoosi am still getting my ass kicked by gcc-3.2.2
23:14.54Namapoos:/
23:15.04Namapoosone of the most frustrating things eer
23:16.09scanlineooh, neat
23:16.31scanlineCMFPhoto's repr() gives an <img> tag, though not of the right size :)
23:17.11lalo*sigh*
23:17.27lalonow I have rhythmbox back, but I lost all the reasons why I liked to run it
23:17.36laloso I'll be uninstalling it anyway
23:17.47scanlinerhythmbox?
23:34.29lalosigh... gnome2.2 has been out for a while, looks like I'll have to leave emerge running when I go home :-P
23:35.01laloyou don't know rhythmbox?????
23:35.41scanlinehttp://www.rhythmbox.org/index.phtml <-- this one?
23:37.02laloyes
23:37.06scanlineneat
23:37.24lalothe coolest audio player I've ever seen in a computer screen
23:37.55laloit's cool that we open source/free software people can shamelessly rip off other people's UI innovations ;-)
23:38.10lalorhythmbox takes what's good in itunes and improves on it
23:40.15lalooh hell, I have to upgrade gtk+
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