| 09:57:39 | Tangent | George-: Hey |
| 09:58:09 | George- | hi |
| 10:00:16 | George- | how's life? |
| 10:01:13 | Tangent | Ah... pretty good so far.... but my mailserver's not allowing me to collect mail after it got it's power lead switched yesterday |
| 10:01:39 | George- | oh |
| 10:01:46 | George- | found a job yet? |
| 10:02:12 | Tangent | No.. no job yet... but I did tidy my office ... http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/NewOffice/Tidy.jpg |
| 10:02:23 | George- | LOL |
| 10:02:55 | Tangent | I've also tidied this mess too now... http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/NewOffice/Machineroom2.jpg |
| 10:03:13 | Tangent | I sent out a load of CVs yesterday.... I'll do a round of calls today... |
| 10:03:23 | Tangent | Just gotta get my mail back online first |
| 10:03:23 | George- | oooh |
| 10:03:28 | George- | good |
| 10:03:29 | George- | :) |
| 10:03:32 | George- | I'm giving up PsiLinux |
| 10:03:36 | George- | It's just.. not practical |
| 10:03:40 | George- | (on the S5) |
| 10:03:49 | George- | I mean, I have Epoc32, a robust OS |
| 10:03:53 | George- | I have s/w for it |
| 10:03:54 | George- | ... |
| 10:05:36 | Tangent | George-: Yeah.. I know how you feel.. |
| 10:05:41 | George- | I have simcity for it :) |
| 10:05:53 | George- | and.. !! |
| 10:05:55 | Tangent | George-: My psion has epoc on it, and until I get another CF card, I'm quite happy with that |
| 10:06:04 | George- | I have a decent laptop now |
| 10:06:04 | George- | so who cares? |
| 10:06:26 | George- | heh |
| 10:06:43 | George- | how many CFs do you have? |
| 10:06:49 | George- | but the thing is, you have an iPaq |
| 10:06:53 | George- | with a 1GB microdrive |
| 10:06:55 | George- | haha |
| 10:07:25 | George- | the Tidy.jpg is still loading |
| 10:07:32 | Tangent | I have one 96MB CF and the microdrive |
| 10:07:54 | George- | 4 monitors? |
| 10:07:54 | George- | UHH?!?!? |
| 10:07:54 | George- | rich bastard ;) |
| 10:08:05 | Tangent | is talking to his mate on the phone (real physical phone)... via TCP/IP over VPN tunnel |
| 10:08:18 | George- | uhm.. |
| 10:08:21 | George- | ok ;) |
| 10:08:41 | George- | say hello to him from me! :) |
| 10:09:05 | Tangent | he says 'ugh' |
| 10:09:10 | George- | lol |
| 10:09:12 | George- | lmao |
| 10:09:23 | George- | takes a picture of his place.. |
| 10:09:30 | George- | er.. bedroom ;) |
| 10:10:54 | George- | now to get the scanner ;) |
| 10:12:28 | George- | oh wait |
| 10:12:36 | George- | polaroid pics don't scan in too well |
| 10:12:37 | George- | ... |
| 10:13:22 | Tangent | Nope... need to get a digital camera |
| 10:13:45 | George- | yea |
| 10:13:49 | George- | But i'm poor ;) |
| 10:13:52 | George- | lol |
| 10:14:03 | George- | The money's gone since we built an extension on the house... |
| 10:14:15 | Tangent | Yeah... you need to get the rest of your education... then a well paying job... then a digital camera :) |
| 10:14:41 | George- | lol |
| 10:14:46 | George- | i bet I'll be a disaster in life |
| 10:14:53 | George- | I'm useless at computer science |
| 10:15:04 | Tangent | Houses cost a fortune... I need to spend about 8,000 on my house at the moment |
| 10:15:13 | Tangent | makes ipaq toys seem cheap |
| 10:15:46 | George- | yea... |
| 10:16:00 | George- | but that doesn't alter the fact that I'm useless ;) |
| 10:16:41 | Tangent | I need.... .New central heating boiler... new pump, new underfelting on main roof... new felt on garage roof... driveway widening... rendering stripping off rear of house below damp proof course, and re-rendering |
| 10:17:01 | George- | LOL |
| 10:17:06 | Tangent | Oh.. and someone to sort out the garden would be nice too |
| 10:17:18 | Tangent | All these things, I never knew I wanted before |
| 10:17:23 | George- | uhm |
| 10:17:23 | George- | hehe |
| 10:17:23 | George- | ok |
| 10:17:27 | George- | Get a job ;) |
| 10:17:48 | Tangent | doesn't understand how 2.5 tonnes of grit and cement became a geek toy |
| 10:18:09 | George- | ??? |
| 10:18:17 | Tangent | rendering |
| 10:18:32 | Tangent | i.e. the layer of stuff they spread over bricks to give houses a smooth finish |
| 10:18:33 | George- | uh |
| 10:18:35 | George- | oh |
| 10:18:38 | George- | fool |
| 10:21:04 | Tangent | Damn it.. I wish my mail client wasn't soo crummy |
| 10:21:17 | George- | lol |
| 10:21:47 | Tangent | I'm about halfway through setting up IMP+Postgresql+Imap/SSL as my mail solution... |
| 10:22:11 | Tangent | I currently have a problem where IMP can't create it's database with postgresql |
| 10:22:28 | Tangent | I know nothing about databases... I always ran scared of 'em |
| 10:23:27 | George- | lol |
| 10:23:36 | George- | y'know the ECDL crap? |
| 10:23:41 | Tangent | nope |
| 10:24:16 | Tangent | Tho' I might be able to remember what the letters stand for... we did something like that in some computing course at some stage in time... maybe |
| 10:24:18 | George- | heh |
| 10:24:20 | George- | it's this piece of crap |
| 10:24:24 | George- | a certification |
| 10:24:25 | George- | lol |
| 10:24:35 | Tangent | What kind of certification? |
| 10:24:38 | George- | "European Computer Driving License" |
| 10:24:41 | George- | It's really crap |
| 10:24:42 | George- | LOL |
| 10:24:51 | Tangent | Ah... I figured DL was design language |
| 10:24:53 | George- | They expect it to be difficult for people like me to do |
| 10:24:55 | Tangent | like VHDL etc |
| 10:25:02 | Tangent | know VHDL |
| 10:25:07 | George- | It's like... |
| 10:25:14 | George- | "Are you certified to crash a computer" |
| 10:25:16 | George- | WTF?!?! |
| 10:25:39 | Tangent | I take it that ECDL and MCSE aren't compatible? |
| 10:25:42 | George- | And there was a database module it in |
| 10:25:46 | George- | s/it in/in it |
| 10:25:54 | Tangent | i.e. there's the right way, and there's the microsoft way ;) |
| 10:25:55 | George- | with MS Access |
| 10:26:02 | George- | lol |
| 10:26:15 | George- | and the teacher was like "This module is by far the most difficult" |
| 10:26:30 | George- | and I passed it without even *ever* looking at the ECDL book |
| 10:26:31 | George- | LOL |
| 10:26:34 | George- | it was like... |
| 10:26:36 | Tangent | Cool :) |
| 10:26:37 | George- | crap |
| 10:26:48 | George- | That's the only time I know of when clippit has been useful |
| 10:26:48 | George- | hahaha |
| 10:27:32 | George- | and the computer teacher is like.. teaching crap |
| 10:27:42 | George- | "1000kilobytes in a megabyte" |
| 10:27:44 | George- | piss off... |
| 10:27:57 | Tangent | I wasted a whole two hour lesson arguing with a computing teacher once... |
| 10:28:11 | George- | lol |
| 10:28:13 | Tangent | He asked us to write an algorithm to do a binary search on a linked list... |
| 10:28:16 | George- | about what? |
| 10:28:33 | Tangent | I pointed out that this was a pointless excercise |
| 10:28:38 | Tangent | He couldn't see it... |
| 10:28:45 | Tangent | we spent hours arguing.... |
| 10:28:48 | George- | lol |
| 10:29:08 | Tangent | he gave in in the end when someone else in the class wrote a code sample(while we were arguing) to proove how pointelss it was |
| 10:29:24 | George- | haha |
| 10:29:35 | George- | I'm better than the so called computer technicians in the school |
| 10:29:48 | George- | The computer teacher for some reason wanted linux on one of the school machines |
| 10:29:49 | George- | lol |
| 10:30:00 | George- | and the technicians were like.. ok we'll do it |
| 10:30:14 | George- | and the teacher told me "We have Linux on that machine, try it out!" |
| 10:30:19 | George- | and lilo was fsx0red |
| 10:30:42 | Tangent | at least that's easy to fix |
| 10:30:46 | George- | nah |
| 10:30:51 | George- | because no one knew the root pass |
| 10:31:02 | George- | I got it to boot |
| 10:31:03 | Tangent | can now install linux with no floppy or CD drive.. and no hard drive either :) |
| 10:31:11 | George- | then it said *plz enter root pass* |
| 10:31:13 | Tangent | all I need these days is a network connection :) |
| 10:31:19 | George- | And I'm like, wtf is the root pass? |
| 10:31:30 | Tangent | boot it with init=/bin/sh then :) |
| 10:31:40 | George- | hmm |
| 10:31:46 | George- | I didn't know that.. |
| 10:31:48 | George- | Well anyway |
| 10:32:04 | George- | I decided, *this machine is fucked, the technicians dunno wtf they're doing* |
| 10:32:09 | George- | and put linux on myself |
| 10:32:14 | George- | and it worked first time, lol |
| 10:32:23 | George- | so now, there's a nice KDE1 system |
| 10:32:29 | Tangent | Cool :) |
| 10:32:37 | Tangent | must piss the technicians off tho' |
| 10:32:50 | George- | but it's booted up in windows all the time now |
| 10:32:51 | George- | for some odd reason |
| 10:32:53 | George- | lol |
| 10:33:19 | George- | all technicians are crap |
| 10:33:32 | George- | But.. its the admin that's really annoying |
| 10:33:44 | George- | he's a fascist twat! |
| 10:33:44 | George- | lemme see |
| 10:34:04 | George- | he's blocked, all ports > 1024, port 81.. basically any port other than port 80 |
| 10:34:16 | George- | even FTP and HTTPS are blocked god dammit |
| 10:35:18 | Tangent | screams at mail client.. |
| 10:35:20 | Tangent | It's too crap |
| 10:35:24 | George- | hmm |
| 10:35:29 | George- | if my bro was here... |
| 10:35:29 | Tangent | I don't want to switch back to outlook... |
| 10:35:34 | George- | I could use his digicam |
| 10:35:37 | George- | grrr |
| 10:35:41 | George- | uh |
| 10:35:44 | George- | use KMail |
| 10:35:48 | Tangent | is it really the only thing which can handle 200MB of mail properly? |
| 10:36:00 | Tangent | kmail doesn't do POP3/SSl |
| 10:36:10 | Tangent | no use to me...won't talk to my mailserver |
| 10:36:25 | George- | yes it will |
| 10:36:27 | George- | god dammit |
| 10:36:34 | George- | I use KMail for pop3 |
| 10:36:34 | George- | GRRR |
| 10:36:38 | George- | and it works for SSL |
| 10:37:05 | Tangent | Hrm... might have to give that a try... |
| 10:37:12 | Tangent | I just wanna get imp working really |
| 10:37:17 | George- | "Use SSL for secure mail transfer" |
| 10:37:29 | George- | "Use TLS for secure mail transfer" |
| 10:37:39 | Tangent | Yeah... I want SSL without TLS |
| 10:38:02 | George- | it'll do BOTH |
| 10:38:04 | George- | ;) |
| 10:38:27 | Tangent | Both wouldn't work... I only need one |
| 10:38:33 | George- | yea |
| 10:38:38 | George- | you can choose either |
| 10:38:38 | George- | grrr |
| 10:38:47 | George- | it's one or the other |
| 10:39:08 | Tangent | Yeah.. I might give that a go then |
| 10:58:12 | [George] | back |
| 11:00:01 | Tangent | gves up and uses Outlook Express to check his mail for now... |
| 11:00:29 | [George] | GASP |
| 11:00:35 | [George] | Blasphemous! |
| 11:01:02 | Tangent | Ifigure that I've got enough linux boxes that I can admit to using window now :) |
| 11:01:20 | [George] | ??? |
| 11:01:43 | Tangent | 2xwindows, 4xlinux, 1xobsd (not including ipaq and tuxscreens.. another 3xlinux) |
| 11:01:52 | [George] | yea |
| 11:01:56 | [George] | but the 2xwindows have the best |
| 11:01:57 | [George] | .. |
| 11:01:58 | Tangent | Oh.. and 1xEpoc :) |
| 11:02:50 | Tangent | Best linux box is fileserver.... 1GHz Duron, 512MB Ram, 6x46GB disk, 1x3Gb, 1x1.6Gb, 1x340Mb, WinTV card, Soundblaster Live 1024 |
| 11:03:24 | Tangent | Best windows box is 1.3Ghz Athlon, 384Mb Ram, 1x32Gb Disk, SBLive1024, Matrox Card |
| 11:03:34 | [George] | 6x46GB |
| 11:03:35 | [George] | fuck man |
| 11:03:58 | [George] | my best linux box |
| 11:04:05 | [George] | is a par between my desktop and my laptop ;) |
| 11:04:44 | [George] | 667MHz G4 w/AltiVec, 512MB RAM, 1x30GBHDD, Apple "Tumbler" Sound, 15.2" LCD... |
| 11:04:48 | [George] | (Laptop) |
| 11:05:39 | [George] | 600MHz Athlon, 128MB RAM, 1x27GB, 1x80GB, Pinnacle Video Capture Card, Soundblaster 128, 19", CD Burner, DVD |
| 11:05:44 | [George] | (Desktop) |
| 11:05:47 | [George] | ;) |
| 11:05:54 | Tangent | Yeah... pretty similar |
| 11:06:21 | Tangent | wants more diskspace |
| 11:06:31 | Tangent | I've actually had to start deleting things lately... |
| 11:06:43 | [George] | lol |
| 11:06:45 | Tangent | Maybe I should just bring some more disks online instead |
| 11:06:55 | [George] | my laptop also have gigabit eth and cd burner and DVD drive |
| 11:06:59 | Tangent | I think I have 2x46Gb disks that aren't partitioned at the moment |
| 11:07:20 | Tangent | I got a DVD-Burner a cpole of months ago... doesn't seem to work too well tho; |
| 11:07:23 | [George] | lol |
| 11:07:33 | [George] | Tangent: Looking at the practicality of DVD burners |
| 11:07:37 | [George] | they burn at 2x, right? |
| 11:07:39 | Tangent | I already exchanged it once, but the new one has the same problem |
| 11:07:43 | [George] | 2x burning 4.9GB |
| 11:07:47 | [George] | == about 12 hours ;) |
| 11:07:57 | Tangent | Yeah... burn at 2x speed... media down to around £1.50 per disk now |
| 11:08:06 | Tangent | Drives running in under 300 |
| 11:11:01 | Tangent | George-: Only problem I have with DVD burners is that the two I've tried don't burn disks properly.... They both say they do.. report no errors etc.... but the data they write isn't 100% correct |
| 11:11:20 | Tangent | I've been checking disks with md5sum, and haven't produced a 100% correct disk yet... |
| 11:11:33 | [George] | lol |
| 11:11:37 | [George] | refund it |
| 11:11:40 | Tangent | fortunately with video/mp3, things tend not to notice the occasional garbled byte |
| 11:11:43 | [George] | get a new one from a diff company |
| 11:11:51 | Tangent | Yeah... Might go for a refunt... |
| 11:12:35 | Tangent | notes that he may have been a little unfair in blamming his cruddy mail client... |
| 11:12:44 | [George] | lol |
| 11:12:45 | Tangent | I think someone's just sent me a 200Mb attachment or something |
| 11:13:19 | [George] | LOL |
| 11:13:20 | [George] | lmao |
| 11:13:28 | Tangent | lmao? |
| 11:13:34 | [George] | laughing my arse off |
| 11:13:44 | [George] | I need a life ;) |
| 11:14:07 | Tangent | Nah... having a life only seems like a good idea until you get one... |
| 11:14:17 | [George] | lol |
| 11:14:17 | Tangent | Then you find out it's all a lot of hassle |
| 11:14:28 | [George] | I think i'll shove that on my email sig :) |
| 11:14:38 | [George] | Nah... having a life only seems like a good idea until you get one... |
| 11:14:41 | [George] | hehe |
| 11:14:54 | Tangent | bbiab... off to buy paint and glue... |
| 11:15:07 | [George] | heh |
| 11:15:09 | [George] | ok |
| 12:40:50 | [George] | brb |
| 12:48:34 | George- | brb |
| 13:30:33 | razzer | hey guyes |
| 13:30:40 | razzer | been playing with the new distro? |
| 13:31:52 | [George] | hi |
| 13:31:58 | [George] | you are you? |
| 13:32:03 | [George] | (I can't remember :) |
| 13:32:14 | razzer | yeah, got it installed :) |
| 13:32:22 | razzer | just having probs getting x up and running |
| 13:33:30 | razzer | its Wenzel's best work ever |
| 13:33:37 | razzer | theres even gcc running on it |
| 13:33:47 | [George] | hmm |
| 13:33:51 | [George] | would it run on the S5 |
| 13:34:54 | razzer | I think so, I think its mainly designed for the 5mx |
| 13:34:59 | razzer | but worth giving it a shot |
| 13:35:17 | [George] | hmm |
| 13:35:20 | [George] | I have 160MB CF |
| 13:35:23 | [George] | and 8MB RAM |
| 13:35:26 | [George] | would X run? :) |
| 13:35:37 | razzer | well I am having probs getting x to run |
| 13:35:43 | razzer | it starts up then just quits |
| 13:35:54 | razzer | I sent an e-mail to Wenzel to see what he says |
| 13:36:02 | razzer | but picogui runs staright outa the box |
| 13:36:18 | razzer | infact all the software seems to be working fine |
| 13:36:26 | razzer | the ipkg system is brilliant |
| 13:36:40 | razzer | you should give it a try |
| 13:45:44 | [George] | i've gotta get etux going |
| 13:47:23 | razzer | whats etux? |
| 13:47:42 | razzer | oh no wait thats the hybrid phone thing right? |
| 13:47:46 | [George] | my distro for the series 5 |
| 13:48:01 | razzer | ah right, yeah its important you work on that |
| 13:48:10 | razzer | what packaging system do you use? |
| 13:48:16 | [George] | but I'm at my wits end |
| 13:48:24 | [George] | I'll prolly end up killing myself ;) |
| 13:48:42 | razzer | bah :P |
| 13:48:52 | razzer | whats the problem with it? |
| 13:49:01 | [George] | I'm prolly gonna ditch eTux totally |
| 13:49:05 | [George] | and say "USE EPOC!" |
| 13:49:18 | [George] | it doesn't work, *that's* what's wrong |
| 13:49:19 | [George] | haha |
| 13:49:34 | razzer | no way, epoc just aint as capabale as linuc, its just a matter of getting it working |
| 13:50:15 | [George] | it is |
| 13:50:18 | [George] | much more capable |
| 13:50:21 | [George] | on a machine like the S5 |
| 13:50:35 | [George] | It can run SimCity! :) |
| 13:50:41 | [George] | It doesn't need a CF |
| 13:50:41 | [George] | ... |
| 13:50:52 | razzer | yeah but it hasnt got decent netowrking |
| 13:51:05 | razzer | pluss theres no decentr programming language |
| 13:51:20 | razzer | and just think once you got x running theres no end to the games you could have |
| 13:51:22 | [George] | OPL is *ok* |
| 13:51:27 | [George] | and gcc for Epoc perhaps |
| 13:51:34 | [George] | yes there is |
| 13:51:35 | [George] | the CPU |
| 13:51:48 | [George] | it's not even capable of running XBill properly |
| 13:52:23 | razzer | gcc for epoc? |
| 13:52:41 | [George] | yah |
| 13:53:20 | razzer | hmm didnt know about that |
| 13:53:26 | razzer | well i got linux runnign it now |
| 13:54:32 | [George] | http://www.windhager.de/~mattes/epocemx/ |
| 13:55:00 | razzer | heheh thats pretty cool |
| 13:55:23 | razzer | but I dont think the epoc environment is especially intuitive, theres just not enough documentaion about it |
