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| 01:23.01 | kristianpaul | wow sysmocon is going to manufacturing ! |
| 01:24.08 | kristianpaul | custom phone boards * :-) |
| 01:25.02 | kristianpaul | s/phone/modem |
| 01:25.03 | qi-bot | kristianpaul meant: "custom modem boards * :-)" |
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| 02:52.03 | qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu: update nanonote compile-openwrt-xburst.sh (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/6f13dd1 |
| 02:52.04 | qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu: MPlayer: disable pulse (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/b61e78d |
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| 03:32.06 | qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu: xburst: ben nanonote: add modifire keys and fbcon-color patches (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/6ce0667 |
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| 03:53.47 | kristianpaul | i'm bit lost, how you add a patch description in git |
| 03:53.59 | kristianpaul | when using git send-email or git format-patch ? |
| 03:58.27 | xiangfu | kristianpaul, when git commit |
| 03:58.51 | kristianpaul | ahh |
| 03:59.15 | kristianpaul | i did but is just 1 line short.. as it should be i guess |
| 04:00.26 | xiangfu | kristianpaul, you can modify it by 'git command --amend' or when using 'git send-email --annotate' |
| 04:00.35 | xiangfu | 'git commit --amend' |
| 04:02.31 | xiangfu | kristianpaul, if you don't use '-m' when commit. git will bring you a text edit for patch description. |
| 04:03.24 | kristianpaul | yeah.. but i just wrote a line |
| 04:06.05 | kristianpaul | oops |
| 04:06.09 | kristianpaul | double mail.. |
| 04:06.10 | kristianpaul | well |
| 04:07.02 | kristianpaul | n8 |
| 04:10.04 | xiangfu | good night |
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| 08:59.26 | whitequark | xiangfu: git commit --amen |
| 09:11.22 | viric | 'amen' :) |
| 09:12.29 | larsc | patch and pray ;) |
| 09:13.03 | viric | hehe |
| 09:18.18 | whitequark | plug and pray |
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| 10:07.53 | Necrosporus | I found out NanoNote get 1.5 times more expensive, why? |
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| 10:38.02 | xiangfu | Necrosporus, checkout : http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2012-June/009693.html |
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| 11:00.15 | Necrosporus | xiangfu, there's only written they are increasing price, but is not written why |
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| 11:48.18 | wolfspraul | Necrosporus: which price are you asking about? |
| 11:50.43 | xiangfu | "<Necrosporus> I found out NanoNote get 1.5 times more expensive, why?" |
| 11:53.00 | Necrosporus | 149 bucks instead of 99 |
| 11:54.10 | wolfspraul | because that's a better price for the future and the best price we know how to build a beautiful little machine like that |
| 11:54.26 | wolfspraul | you bought one at the old price? or were thinking about getting one? |
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| 13:43.55 | Necrosporus | wolfspraul, yes, I were, but low hardware specs was somehow adding doubts |
| 13:45.03 | Necrosporus | Were there a 1GiB of RAM and 1 GHz dual core processor, I'd though 150 bucks is fine |
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| 13:46.17 | Necrosporus | Or better 2 GiB of ram |
| 13:46.59 | wolfspraul | so we helped remove your doubts now, good :-) |
| 13:47.15 | wolfspraul | I don't think you would appreciate the Ben and you will probably find something good elsewhere. |
| 13:47.40 | wolfspraul | the Ben can't be for everyone... |
| 13:48.39 | Necrosporus | wolfspraul, I'd ready to pay about $50-75 for that capabilities |
| 13:48.46 | Necrosporus | Including shipping |
| 13:49.11 | wolfspraul | won't happen here |
| 13:49.20 | wolfspraul | maybe the next NanoNote will even be 199, I don't know |
| 13:49.36 | wolfspraul | first of all it must be really good, better than the Ben |
| 13:49.49 | Necrosporus | Yeah |
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| 13:50.11 | Necrosporus | For 100 bucks I can buy Ritmix RZX-50 for example |
| 13:51.13 | Necrosporus | Ingenic JZ4755 XBurst, 400 МГц, 32-bit |
| 13:51.35 | Necrosporus | 64 MiB RAM, 4 GiB built-in storage |
| 13:51.53 | Necrosporus | 480×272 screen |
| 13:52.01 | wolfspraul | the Ben comes with vim preinstalled |
| 13:52.01 | Necrosporus | better than 320x240 |
| 13:52.10 | Necrosporus | That's cool |
| 13:52.48 | Necrosporus | But there's chines laptops for 100 bucks including shipping and it can run Vim as well |
| 13:52.57 | wolfspraul | if that's not enough for you no other argument will win you over and you are better off with those other devices |
| 13:52.57 | Necrosporus | I got one |
| 13:53.24 | Necrosporus | well, I'd like a ben but for 100 bucks including shipping |
| 13:53.30 | wolfspraul | won't happen |
| 13:53.53 | wolfspraul | price will go up, not down |
| 13:54.04 | wolfspraul | we want to make a *better* Ben in the future |
| 13:54.35 | Necrosporus | Why? Ben is pretty much outdated and outdated hw is usually cheaper |
| 13:54.40 | Necrosporus | Current one I mean |
| 13:54.58 | wolfspraul | fine but Ben is different :-) |
| 13:55.15 | wolfspraul | with 'outdated' you probably mean comparing some numbers to other devices |
| 13:55.23 | wolfspraul | it was outdated on that perspective since birth |
| 13:55.36 | wolfspraul | but it's not what the Ben is about |
| 13:55.50 | wolfspraul | I'm not trying to sell you a Ben btw |
| 13:55.55 | Necrosporus | Yeah.. it has lover specs than my PDA I bought in 2003 |
| 13:55.56 | wolfspraul | please don't, if you don't totally love it |
| 13:56.02 | wolfspraul | ok great |
| 13:56.15 | Necrosporus | but there is no hw keyboard |
| 13:57.03 | wolfspraul | the Ben will remain on sale until we have a worthy successor |
| 13:57.09 | gargon | Necrosporus: on amazon.com, you can get a ben for usd 94 |
| 13:57.24 | wolfspraul | and at least from me, it will never be discounted :-) |
| 13:57.25 | wolfspraul | guaranteed |
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| 13:58.09 | wolfspraul | we need to advance the milkymist soc stuff a bit more before taking another good shot at a mobile device |
| 13:58.20 | wolfspraul | so for now we have the Ben and I am proud of it :-) |
| 13:58.25 | wolfspraul | but you don't need be, no worries |
| 13:59.01 | Necrosporus | I think I need a pocket device running GNU/Linux |
| 13:59.23 | wolfspraul | ok we will work harder and maybe have a Ben successor that pleases you :-) |
| 13:59.24 | wolfspraul | maybe |
| 13:59.42 | Necrosporus | There's Nokia N9 |
| 13:59.46 | Necrosporus | I have tried it |
| 14:00.00 | wolfspraul | those are very powerful devices, amazing stuff |
| 14:00.18 | wpwrak | Necrosporus: you're comparing with devices that are produced in large volume and generally don't have much device-specific open source support. in some cases, they're generic enough that they don't need any specific support. in other cases, they're not, and things will run badly if at all. |
| 14:00.19 | Necrosporus | There's a video core which doesn't work with free software drivers |
| 14:00.41 | Necrosporus | Nokia N9 has linux preinstalled |
| 14:00.41 | wpwrak | Necrosporus: having such things is what drives the ben's value/cost/price up. |
| 14:01.21 | wpwrak | Necrosporus: if we just had Nokia's budget for lighting a bonfire with our money every night ... ;-) |
| 14:03.33 | Necrosporus | Nokia N9 however lacks hardware keyboard |
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| 14:27.06 | LunaVorax | Hello everyone |
| 14:32.07 | Necrosporus | hi |
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| 14:38.09 | kristianpaul | hey |
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| 15:12.10 | wolfspraul | hi |
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| 15:32.55 | qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: gencat/pdf.c: add generation of alphabetic index with hyperlinks (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/e1d613a |
| 15:32.57 | qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: gencat/pdf.c: add section titles (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/b3113fc |
| 15:33.33 | qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: components/Makefile: change name of "genex" to "gencat" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/41befc9 |
| 15:33.52 | larsc | wolfspraul: what does it do? |
| 15:34.09 | larsc | uhm s,wolfspraul,wpwrak, |
| 15:34.54 | larsc | so many letters in the alphabet you both have to use the same one ;) |
| 15:36.05 | wpwrak | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.21 | wpwrak | gencat makes this type of catalog: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/kicad-libs-components.pdf |
| 15:37.09 | wpwrak | the renaming is because i'll extend it to also handle modules (the "ex" was for the "expanded" symbol view, i.e., with pin types) |
| 15:38.29 | larsc | looks nice |
| 15:42.50 | wpwrak | thanks :) |
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| 17:59.23 | viric | hm have you seen this thing? http://www.fanlesstech.com/2012/07/minix-tv-box-h24.html |
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| 19:52.00 | wpwrak | Allwinner, the new star of open source-friendly SoCs |
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| 20:02.03 | larsc | is it? |
| 20:02.30 | viric | :) |
| 20:02.47 | viric | I don't know why, but I liked it when I read its webpage one year ago or so |
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| 20:07.30 | viric | and for this http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G133999328931&tab_idx=3 |
| 20:07.36 | viric | Is the schematics of Exynos4412 CPU module included? |
| 20:07.37 | viric | Yes. You will get the full schematics of Exynos4412 CPU module and ODROID-X base board. |
| 20:07.41 | viric | Can I get layout file and gerber file? |
| 20:07.44 | viric | No. |
| 20:07.46 | viric | When can I get schematics? |
| 20:07.47 | viric | It will be delivered from the 1st week of August by email request. |
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| 20:15.50 | wpwrak | larsc: it seems to be quite popular. though technical documentation seems to be hard to find. maybe the popularity comes from it using the MALI graphics core, which has been reverse-engineered. (unlike the other, more deeply proprietary cores common on smartphones) |
| 20:16.45 | viric | wpwrak: that quadcore from samsung also has a mali |
| 20:17.26 | wpwrak | ah, nice ! die powerVR, die ! :) |
| 20:17.40 | viric | powerVR? |
| 20:17.58 | viric | wpwrak: have you seen the video with them playing mariokart64 4-players with that $130 samsung? |
| 20:18.07 | wpwrak | on of the proprietary graphics cores |
| 20:18.11 | viric | ah :) |
| 20:18.43 | wpwrak | no .. haven't followed the smartphone scene for a while. waiting for some more walls to fall :) |
| 20:22.50 | larsc | time to bring out the trumpets? |
| 20:24.30 | viric | :) |
| 20:24.37 | wpwrak | or just let a million moles dig a little longer :) |
| 20:24.46 | viric | hehe |
| 20:24.58 | viric | If I hadn't a sheevaplug, I'd buy that samsung thing |
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| 21:29.51 | roh | hm.. how were those cut-in-the-middle via in module-pcb named? |
| 21:30.02 | roh | anybody a idea? |
| 21:30.45 | wpwrak | vias ? burried ? |
| 21:50.01 | roh | wpwrak: nope.. i meant that 'stamp-like' module pcb design |
| 21:50.23 | roh | where one has the vertically cut in the middle throughole-vias to solder at |
| 21:58.47 | wpwrak | aah ! now i know what you mean. fat "vias" |
| 21:59.16 | wpwrak | don't recall the name, though |
| 23:01.41 | roh | i heard 'plated half holes'.. sounds weird |
| 23:08.27 | roh | wpwrak: you heard harald plans to make a calypso board? |
| 23:10.30 | roh | http://lists.osmocom.org/pipermail/baseband-devel/2012-July/003144.html |
| 23:31.14 | wpwrak | "half-holes" sounds reasonable :) |
| 23:32.18 | wpwrak | he ought to make a little asic to get rid of the fog of secrecy around that ancient calypso |