| 00:04.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | insufficient approach: problem is the placement of the flush knob, fix for this doesn't need any electronics |
| 00:08.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | to give you an idea: in 1980 I lived in a kraaked flat that had completely messed up toilet flush system. both the filling valve and the flush valve were not tight. I build a system consisting of a 80*50cm board on the floor and a few cords to that board and to the flush handle, to start filling of the water tank when somebody stepped on the board, and stopping it when somebody pulled the flush handle |
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| 00:10.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, a elastic band and a ~8cm of steel arm for the water tap were also involved |
| 00:10.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus some duct tape |
| 00:11.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | worked flawlessly for the 2 years we kraaked that flat |
| 00:22.36 | arossdotme | is away: Away |
| 00:24.59 | qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: poly2d (p2d_is_cw, p2d_is_closed, p2d_no_intersect, p2d_vertices): use better types (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/cae-tools/cba417f |
| 00:25.00 | qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: poly2d (p2d_contains_point): use "bool" instead of "int" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/cae-tools/3cc284d |
| 00:25.01 | qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: poly2d/ (p2d_write_gnuplot, p2d_write_gnuplot_all): use "bool" instead of "int" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/cae-tools/5808a40 |
| 00:29.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | arossdotme: no away messages please! |
| 00:29.13 | arossdotme | is back (gone 00:06:36) |
| 00:29.32 | arossdotme | sorry |
| 00:29.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | arossdotme: please fix that! |
| 00:29.34 | arossdotme | trying it out for the first time |
| 00:29.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | np, just saying |
| 00:29.42 | arossdotme | it's not on auto |
| 00:29.48 | arossdotme | manual |
| 00:30.08 | arossdotme | so i can just leave it for now :P |
| 00:30.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~autoaway |
| 00:30.48 | infobot | well, autoaway is We don't care if you're 'afk', 'having a shower' or 'doing my wife'. If we really want to know, we'll /whois you. So please disable any public messages your client sends when you go /away or come back, as there are over 800 people here. If everyone did something annoying, we'd never get any conversation in. In BX, /set auto_away off. /saveirc, or nick changes are just as annoying. |
| 00:30.52 | arossdotme | as you won't be edbother by it again |
| 00:35.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | arossdotme: also note that you might run into severe trouble when idoru (freenode bot) detects you crossposting same stuff over all channels you joined. Peaple got k-lined for a mere /amsg good morning |
| 00:36.02 | arossdotme | ok, thx |
| 00:36.38 | arossdotme | i've found the setting now so it does not announce. |
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| 09:20.16 | viric | ysionneau: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/01/07/252225_gunmen-in-paris-terror-attack.html |
| 09:22.17 | viric | voltairenet points out that the only link between the attack and islamism are the shouts of the attackers. |
| 09:24.21 | viric | the claims in the mcclatchy have zero references though :) |
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| 09:27.12 | viric | the 'video censored on tv' seems to have disappeared from internet though |
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| 13:55.02 | ysionneau | well, it's not the only link viric |
| 13:55.06 | ysionneau | they went to Yemen |
| 13:55.13 | ysionneau | got friend with someone in prison |
| 13:55.31 | ysionneau | are known to have been in some terrorist groups in 13eme arr. Paris |
| 13:55.32 | ysionneau | etc |
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| 14:16.07 | viric | may be. No idea. :) |
| 14:16.28 | viric | I'm very far of the case to check anything like that. |
| 14:17.06 | viric | I'm quite used to see fake biographies though. |
| 14:17.35 | ysionneau | and btw, they were on no flight list in the USA |
| 14:17.48 | ysionneau | so they were pretty well known to be terrorist since 2010 or something like that |
| 14:18.34 | viric | it's too hard for individuals to check things like that |
| 14:19.16 | ysionneau | well, that's public information |
| 14:19.22 | ysionneau | if it were wrong, someone would say so |
| 14:19.33 | ysionneau | that's on the news since several days |
| 14:20.01 | viric | I know enough that situation, "someone would say so" |
| 14:20.09 | ysionneau | well then don't read anything any more :p |
| 14:20.12 | viric | :) |
| 14:21.28 | viric | it's you who is sure. |
| 14:21.44 | ysionneau | well I just say it's public well broadcasted information |
| 14:21.48 | viric | I agree |
| 14:22.01 | ysionneau | and good media like mediapart or arrêtsurimages are not saying it's fake |
| 14:22.06 | ysionneau | so there is high probability it's right |
| 14:22.28 | ysionneau | secret services have no interest in saying "we screwed up" |
| 14:22.46 | viric | case closed |
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| 18:10.27 | wpwrak | ysionneau: "they were on no flight list in the USA" i.e., they never boarded a plane of or going to the US ? :) |
| 18:12.17 | wpwrak | "that's public information" if you're referring to no-fly lists, i don't think they are. at least not to the general public. so if the general public is informed about someone's status on such lists, there must be someone acting as gateway. |
| 18:13.10 | wpwrak | in IT, we may call this an "accessor". now, think of all the fun you can have with "accessors" that do a lot more or different things that just merely accessing what's supposedly underneath :) |
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| 18:15.03 | ysionneau | wpwrak: I mean, now that this story is public (after the attacks) and after journalists spent hours and hours vomiting every piece of information they could put their hands on |
| 18:15.07 | ysionneau | now : this is public |
| 18:16.50 | wpwrak | which means it has little actual credibility. not that it's be surprised if it was true (there are LOTS of people on those lists), but just that the information flow does not convey credibility |
| 18:18.47 | wpwrak | (lists) and there are several levels. "no fly", "terrorist watchlist", and so on. i wouldn't trust the press to be very precise in assigning the correct list membership. e.g., someone who's suspected to be somehow supporting terrorism, but not banned from flying, may well get a mis-attributed entry on the latter list if that person ends up in the public spotlight |
| 18:19.37 | wpwrak | in any case, even if all those things are true as presented, it just means that the whole system is not effective in terms of preventing incidents |
| 18:20.26 | whitequark | huh, looks venezuela's in trouble |
| 18:20.43 | wpwrak | whitequark how is 2010 ? ;-) |
| 18:21.11 | whitequark | lol |
| 18:21.13 | whitequark | reading http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-09/venezuelans-throng-grocery-stores-on-military-protection-order.html |
| 18:21.28 | whitequark | food shortages since 2010? |
| 18:22.45 | wpwrak | that's just evil western propaganda. look at the "empty shelves" picture. there are clearly some things in evidence at the top |
| 18:23.10 | viric | venezuela is quite at the west |
| 18:23.19 | viric | :) |
| 18:23.49 | wpwrak | 2010 may have marked the beginning of toilet paper shortages. not sure when exactly that began, but i was around that time and it has to start somewhere ... |
| 18:24.14 | wpwrak | viric: in political terms, it's somewhere in the far east. somewhere east of siberia :) |
| 18:24.44 | viric | isn't the east at the right? hehe |
| 18:25.01 | viric | the world upside down |
| 18:25.02 | wpwrak | if you elect stalin, it is :) |
| 18:25.19 | viric | all for the state. |
| 18:25.22 | whitequark | "at the right" https://d1ftgt94wd5jml.cloudfront.net/2010/proj_orthographic.png |
| 18:25.42 | wpwrak | hehe ;-) |
| 18:25.51 | whitequark | that... actually emphasizes it |
| 18:27.14 | viric | by the way, these days I'm working with Vivado and it's horrible. |
| 18:27.16 | viric | Very horrible. |
| 18:27.48 | viric | my congratulations to Xilinx. |
| 18:28.23 | wpwrak | the pain still seems to be insufficient, though |
| 18:28.31 | pcercuei | see what I endure at work? |
| 18:28.35 | whitequark | viric: is it worse than ISE? |
| 18:28.42 | viric | I think so |
| 18:28.46 | whitequark | oh. |
| 18:28.50 | wpwrak | else, we'd be seeing commits on a clone of wolfgang's fpga synthesis project :) |
| 18:28.50 | whitequark | wow. |
| 18:29.04 | whitequark | wpwrak: I considered contributing |
| 18:29.16 | wpwrak | whitequark: stop procrastinating ! :) |
| 18:29.20 | whitequark | politely speaking, it is somewhat dense |
| 18:29.37 | wpwrak | i read "more opportunity" :) |
| 18:30.14 | viric | I don't plan to contribute because I have the end of that project at eyesight |
| 18:30.22 | wpwrak | free the world from the shackles of idiotic proprietary (oh wait. that's redundant) fpga tools |
| 18:30.32 | viric | hence the 'acceptable pain' |
| 18:31.02 | wpwrak | viric: that's what Sisyphus said |
| 18:31.04 | viric | by now I have better things to do than solving that world problem. |
| 18:31.13 | whitequark | some day, scientists will find a strong link between alcoholism and FPGA development |
| 18:31.20 | viric | :) |
| 18:31.30 | viric | wpwrak: did sisyphus receive a salary? |
| 18:32.00 | wpwrak | viric: they didn't need that back then. the wrath of the gods was enough :) |
| 18:32.19 | viric | wpwrak: same thing under different names |
| 18:32.22 | wpwrak | besides, look who's famous - him or you ? :) |
| 18:32.49 | wpwrak | (different name) yeah, that works :) |
| 18:33.07 | viric | sisyphus got the glory. |
| 18:33.20 | viric | we'd have to see him with Vivado though. |
| 18:33.51 | wpwrak | poor, poor suicide statistics ... |
| 18:35.04 | viric | and when I have troubles with Vivado, I only find posts telling how Vivado 2014 is so much better than previous versions |
| 18:35.28 | viric | meaning, when I search for online help |
| 18:40.50 | pcercuei | it's not |
| 18:40.55 | pcercuei | don't upgrade :p |
| 19:11.32 | viric | pcercuei: I'm at latest 2014, but I'm not alone in the project, so I have it a bit mandated. :) |
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| 19:26.49 | larsc | yea, so 2014.3 (and maybe 2014.4) has a bug where it removes a whole vector if part of the vector is unused |
| 19:26.53 | larsc | ... |
| 19:30.31 | viric | I had to write awful vhdl to get ram inferred |
| 19:43.14 | larsc | awful vhdl, that's a bit of a pleonasm ;) |
| 19:44.56 | larsc | viric: are you at FOSDEM this year? |
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| 20:04.46 | viric | larsc: not, I don't think so. |
| 20:05.14 | viric | larsc: the only thing I liked from fosdem was to meet a few people, like you :) I didn't like much the talks or debates. |
| 20:05.51 | viric | I think the communication was too poor among most people |
| 20:06.04 | viric | only a few mastered English enough. And by that I don't mean I'm one of those. |
| 20:07.16 | viric | Having experienced esperanto environments, I was shocked by how bad people managed to intercommunicate (for my standards. :) |
| 20:21.22 | larsc | ah, too bad. |
| 20:22.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAHA http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=convert+180g+beef+to+kalories seems is too complex for WA |
| 20:22.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe WA runs a live test ;-) |
| 20:32.32 | whitequark | it just hangs randomly |
| 20:32.56 | whitequark | actually, it executed for me. 424 calories |
| 21:12.51 | viric | larsc: I'd like to go some day to the ccc newyear meeting though |
| 21:15.36 | wpwrak | seems that wolfram aren't strong in homeopathy. 180 grams of beef, sheesh. what's that, child abuse ? :) |
| 21:28.12 | viric | ysionneau: who filmed the kill off of the policeman is a catalan neighbour |
| 21:29.14 | viric | that's the video many used to suspect that all is fake (lack of blood in a hit to the head), and he took away the video from the sites because he understood that "it was too offensive" |
| 21:30.52 | ysionneau | ok |
| 21:31.01 | ysionneau | I can confirm that the policeman is dead though |
| 21:40.01 | viric | ah do you? |
| 21:40.58 | ysionneau | sure yes, two cops are dead |
| 21:41.16 | ysionneau | a black woman, and the (muslim) guy you saw being shot dead on the video |
| 21:41.30 | viric | how do you confirm? |
| 21:41.34 | ysionneau | we have the complete list of names of the 17 dead |
| 21:41.49 | ysionneau | well, all media, newspaper, TV, are saying the names |
| 21:41.52 | viric | ah ok |
| 21:42.01 | viric | I thought you knew some relative |
| 21:42.02 | wpwrak | viric: just seems pointless to invent it ? :) |
| 21:42.19 | ysionneau | I say 17 because I'm being brain washed by French media |
| 21:42.24 | ysionneau | but it's 20 (3 terrorist dead) |
| 21:42.34 | viric | I mean... I know about media :) |
| 21:42.37 | viric | I thought you knew further |
| 21:42.40 | ysionneau | ah no |
| 21:42.49 | ysionneau | but I very much doubt this is fake ^^ |
| 21:42.54 | viric | fine fine, me too :) |
| 21:43.06 | viric | but I'm interested in how the discussion evolves |
| 21:43.26 | ysionneau | I'm afraid of how this will turn out |
| 21:43.35 | viric | as with USA's 11S there were many works about it :) |
| 21:43.48 | viric | the plane on Pentagon, Zeitgeist movies and alike, ... :) |
| 21:43.55 | ysionneau | it will be more anti-freedom pro-security laws, and more anti-islam FN bullshit |
| 21:44.06 | ysionneau | which will increase the number of terrorist ... |
| 21:44.12 | ysionneau | for(;;); |
| 21:44.20 | viric | ysionneau: yes, the solutions to such terrorism are always *more state* and *less freedom* |
| 21:44.28 | ysionneau | hehe |
| 21:44.38 | viric | that's specifically what makes conspiracy theories sound |
| 21:45.25 | wpwrak | why don't we look at history ? there's an ethnic group that's being kept under the boot. they have plenty of combat experience. they feel they deserve better. what could possibly happen ? |
| 21:45.30 | viric | if the solutions were different, that'd quickly make the conspiracy theories less acceptable |
| 21:45.42 | ysionneau | wpwrak: so 10000% true |
| 21:46.02 | wpwrak | last week: 20 dead in france. 80 years ago, WW II. i'd say we (the world) got off lightly this time. |
| 21:46.12 | viric | wpwrak: what did they achieve for better? |
| 21:47.06 | viric | More EU state oppression, specifically over them |
| 21:47.12 | wpwrak | viric: in the case of germany, the allies knew better than to farm the mortal enemies for the nxt war, the second time around. |
| 21:48.05 | viric | I didn't plan to discuss WW II :) |
| 21:48.10 | wpwrak | result: 80 years of peace in central europe. not too bad if you ask me. of course, that may have been possible with a bit less bloodshed. |
| 21:48.34 | viric | I don't think WW II was a fake :) |
| 21:48.43 | viric | so was a fake the start of Vietnam war, isn't it? |
| 21:48.48 | viric | as in USA intervention |
| 21:48.50 | wpwrak | viric: well, have you *seen* it ? ;-) |
| 21:49.03 | viric | wpwrak: I'm open to new theories about WW II :) |
| 21:49.32 | viric | for vietnam there was the story of that ship attacked |
| 21:49.34 | wpwrak | consider the creationist approach. just place the creation of the world a little later :) |
| 21:49.48 | wpwrak | oh, have i just returned to solipsism ? damn :) |
| 21:49.52 | viric | wpwrak: I quite accept Fomenko views, so don't push me ;) |
| 21:50.11 | viric | (Not his reconstruction, but about the forgery :) |
| 21:50.39 | wpwrak | (vietnam) almost every war gets started on some lame excuse |
| 21:51.50 | viric | wpwrak: I know that in the state where I live, there are secret-of-state documents from the XV century onwards :) |
| 21:51.59 | viric | 15th |
| 21:52.18 | viric | that is, from Inquisition onwards. Nowadays. |
| 21:52.25 | wpwrak | whether it's tonkin, an archduke, "WMD in iraq", ... |
| 21:52.53 | wpwrak | so barcelona has its dirty secrets ? :) |
| 21:52.58 | viric | for state I meant Madrid |
| 21:53.14 | wpwrak | thought you were of that other team :) |
| 21:53.25 | viric | When we say "our state", we mean our owner |
| 21:53.35 | viric | if we say "our nation", that's different :) |
| 21:53.46 | wpwrak | hehe :) |
| 21:54.06 | viric | it's a very common difference here used. |
| 21:54.15 | wpwrak | i just wish you guys didn't insist on linguistic separatism, too |
| 21:54.38 | viric | I wish you understood better :) |
| 21:54.56 | viric | but I hope we will have some day to make the world understand about us. |
| 21:55.05 | viric | have some day the opportunity |
| 21:55.20 | wpwrak | i mean, do all the people in the region even speak catalan ? it just sounds like opening rifts right in the middle of your own society |
| 21:55.50 | pcercuei | in Barcelona half of the population speak catalan |
| 21:55.59 | pcercuei | the other half speak french, it seems |
| 21:56.04 | viric | It's unfair |
| 21:56.35 | viric | We were killed or imprisoned if we used it in public during 40 years |
| 21:57.26 | viric | It's like the Vergonha in occitania |
| 21:57.36 | viric | (not so hard) |
| 21:57.57 | wpwrak | i mean i can fully understand the wish for political and economical independence. but why unearth a local language that nobody in the rest of the world understands ? |
| 21:58.09 | viric | fff |
| 21:58.29 | viric | you have a completely wrong picture |
| 21:58.50 | viric | You are just another victim of Spain foreign policy about that. |
| 21:59.22 | wpwrak | well, it would make my life easier if they'd just use german. that's true :) |
| 21:59.41 | wpwrak | (they) i mean all of spain and underling territories |
| 22:00.12 | viric | you should consider yourself illiterate about the catalan territories. |
| 22:00.16 | viric | instead of the opposite |
| 22:05.30 | wpwrak | well, you can do whatever you want. right now you have a strong economy to let you have your way. but it looks to me like a troubling tendency towards separatism that goes much farther than necessary.' |
| 22:05.49 | viric | I understood your view |
| 22:05.53 | viric | I consider it very wrong. |
| 22:06.25 | viric | but there you go. I hope we manage to have an opportunity where you will learn about us and not from our conquerors. |
| 22:07.16 | wpwrak | i don't learn much from your "recent" conquerors. (you really should be mad at the italians if it was about conquest :) |
| 22:07.50 | viric | they also made their history up |
| 22:08.00 | wpwrak | the italians ? |
| 22:08.08 | viric | from the catalan Napoli. |
| 22:11.27 | wpwrak | not quite sure what you're referring to. when has catalonia had a feud with naples ? |
| 22:11.35 | viric | the XVth century |
| 22:11.47 | viric | from Rome downwards, it was catalana |
| 22:11.49 | viric | catalan |
| 22:12.18 | wpwrak | you mean the kingdom of naples ? |
| 22:12.20 | viric | yes |
| 22:15.30 | wpwrak | what hardly seems to create much of an ethnic connection. well, outside nobility |
| 22:15.56 | wpwrak | anyway, i was more thinking of the romans. go to the basics :) |
| 22:16.28 | viric | What romans? |
| 22:16.41 | wpwrak | who who (badly) tought you to speak latin ;-) |
| 22:16.53 | wpwrak | taught even |
| 22:17.07 | viric | ah that's one theory :) |
| 22:17.28 | viric | I don't agree with that. |
| 22:17.33 | wpwrak | i guess you have a local one that had barcelona as the cradle of the roman empire :) |
| 22:18.00 | viric | well, some say that Valentia was called Roma, some say that Roma was called Valentia. :) |
| 22:18.09 | wpwrak | oh dear :) |
| 22:18.38 | viric | do you think the past is settled? :) |
| 22:18.57 | viric | not for me! |
| 22:19.32 | viric | but there you go with your "things happened as I was told on school because everyone knows" |
| 22:19.38 | viric | :) |
| 22:20.14 | wpwrak | seems that things don't look too promising on calalonia then, if people have to dwell that much on the past instead of thinking of the future. kinda reminds me of peronism in argentina. if we just repeat the mistakes of the past, the golden age will come back ... |
| 22:20.59 | viric | good luck with your well informed forecasts :) |
| 22:21.20 | viric | Time to prepare for sleep. |
| 22:23.21 | wpwrak | sweet dreams ! :) |
| 22:30.45 | viric | same to you! |
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